The idea of Jason standing against his wife is ridiculous. No matter how proud, any Lord is, none will give up the opportunity to become father of the next King, especially when that next king and his siblings are going to own dragons. When Rhaenerya ascends the throne he could just remain in Castely rock with the rest of his children and let Rhaenerya and their heir be at Kingslanding. Sure, he will push for her heir to bear the Lannister name and would be rejected, but no matter how you look at it, marrying Rhaenerya is a win win for him.
for real i think his pride is so great that if anyone challenged his wife and by extension his right to the throne he would kill them. his pride would demand it
Jason primarily supported the Greens because he felt insulted. I’m sure he’d easily side with Rhae. If not for his affection toward her as his wife of several years, but for the children they’d have together. He’d have his blood on the Throne, Lannister would be cemented in the main Targaryen succession line. He’d be insane to deny that.
Tbh I don't think Rhaenyra would even have to work hard to convince Jason to side with her in the dance. I imagine at least part of the Lannisters' reasoning for siding with the greens in canon is that they're annoyed that she rejected them
If Rhaenyra plays smart in this time line, she would demand to her father that if she’s marrying a Lannister, Viserys will give him the hand position or something like that.
@@sandragik5595if I would her I would choose his brother Tyland instand. Jason already is heir of his house. Tyrell is for me a better git for her also personally. Also he is already in the council so they could make him easy hand. If Rhaenrya was smart she say to Viserys after they both dump his Kids they should try win corlys back with marry Laena to Aegon or Rhaenyras Son if one of them is old enough and slso give Corlys his Position back! The Problem with rid of Otto is that Allicent still could try to all to get him back like in canon...
Laenor is a would-be candidate for King of Westeros himself and a battle hardened dragon rider. The Velaryons are richer, have dragons, AND have a claim to the throne through Rhaenys that she can merge with through marriage. Rhaenyra is a rival claimant to the throne so the later two things are so much more important for her. Her opponent is Aegon, the most senior direct male line heir of House Targaryen who already commands 4 dragons between himself and his siblings alone. Precedent/common law showed that the crown passed through the male line, with Jaehaerys I over Aerea and Viserys I over Rhaenys, so it's already been upheld twice over. In the medieval setting, especially without codified law, this is all the more important because it's the only existing framework. Jason might have all the money in the world but it wouldn't equal a stronger hereditary claim in the eyes of the realm. Also, if Jason did marry Rhaenyra the most valuable thing he's really won is male line Lannisters inheriting the throne. In other words, a Lannister dynasty. If deep in his heart he really thought Rhaenyra's brothers and Daemon had a better claim to the throne he would just favor them being killed, or put into the several orders that require celibacy (Maester, septon, King's Guard, Night's Watch etc.).
She could pretty much do everything that she was already doing in Kings Landing if she was married to the prince of Dorne. I truly believe that House Martell and House Targaryen would’ve made a much stronger alliance because both sides, practice polygamy and they are in multiple relationships.
Exactly,besides im pretty sure that the prince of dorne wasn't gey,so there is a big chance that they would have legitimate childrens and they would add dorne to the fold@seth_fitzgerald
It would be a strong alliance but public opinion might sink her reign. Sure, she’s getting dorne, but the optics of the future queen marrying a foreign power that the realm hates instead of a lord of westeros won’t win her many fans.
Not really since her allies come from the north which just doesn't care and the arryns who join her by blood,and now she has the martells so i probably think house tully will join rhaenyra with three lord paramounts supporting her@hopekeeley2122
A union between a dragon and lion a what if idea I always wondered about and a interesting what if thanks, but will you do a what if with Maegor the bronze dragon because I had a though, I think Daemon would still kill Maegor mother so he can marry Laena because Daemon isn't an idiot he knows with Allicent marring his brother that time is running out not just for him but his son and rhaenyra he knows that Otto would do everything he can to get his grandchildren on the throne so having Maegor marry into the only other family with dragons is the best option to protect themselves.
@@Meme-jo7uj the one I’m reading currently is called “to forge an heir” less focus on Alicent and more on rhaenyra learning How to play the game and actually become a good ruler , but they stay friends and it’s nice . It’s told from the perspective of my boy Lyman bees bury too, which is a plus
Okay so I have a lot to say. First off, Rhaenyra not wanting to get married, while simultaneously being worried about being replaced by Aegon. Literally makes no sense at all. This is a feudal society, where birthright inheritance is literally everything. Rhaenyra's reasoning for why she doesn't wish to get married, makes no sense. She has to take a husband & have children to secure her hold on power & the next line of succession to throne. For example, her claiming that marrying Jason Lannister would compromise her position as heir to the throne makes no sense. SHE HAS TO GET MARRIED! Marrying one of the most powerful houses in the realm makes perfect sense.
@@Pouncealot2023 That doesn't make sense. Without children, there's no clear line of succession. She can't be desperate to maintain her position as heir to the throne while intentionally weakening her position. Why would anybody support her claim if she refuses every marriage proposal? Why would anybody support her if she has no children to offer up for marriage alliances? Especially when she has a brother who's married with children & two more brothers? All of which can be married off. Your reasoning makes zero sense.
@@keitht24 you’re confusing something here at the time she was iffy about marriage aegon was 2yrs so that defeats your point...my point is she was iffy on marriage because of what she saw happened to her mother. She’s still is a teen and probably didn’t realize what she was going to give up that’s why daemon told her such lonely prospect
@@Pouncealot2023 You should probably go back & watch those scenes. She explicitly stated that she doesn't want to get married & have children & her father was trying to marry her off. Her current state of mind is irrelevant. She knows how her society works.
What if Viserys only have daughters with Alicent? What if Jace & Helaena married? What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death? What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator? What if Viserys made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons?
What if Rhaenyra married a Stark? Maybe have it based around Aegon's prophesy, also with the Starks somewhat known to have the warg ability it would be interesting to see if their heir has the ability to warg with their dragon. and also the Night watch could be better maintained and equipped with the backing of royalty.
I don't know that she could have, Lord Rickon Stark was already married with heirs, and his son Cregan is only a couple of years older than Rhaenyra's first son.
Just wanted to say I love you what ifs, please keep it going. From what I've found you're the only GOT/ASOIAF channel that isn't afraid to really dive into what if scenarios and create. Others that have tried it seem almost afraid and it ends up being a summary of cannon events with notes of other options
16:48 Yeah too many conflicting interests with this match no matter the brother. This family as a whole just seems to clash too much with Rhaenyras personality. What about someone who resembles someone she actually likes who even looks vaguely like Harwin Strong. What about Borros Baratheon? He's roughly close to her in age and already has blood ties with her family in more ways than one. Plus he is the son of Boremund who helped select a husband.
That would very interesting unlike otto he seems to be a good man. And unlike Otto his carring. Also if that happen Otto may would not try steal her Throne after his Grandson would sit on the Throne...
What if the Greens managed to secure good marriage alliances before the Dance? For example: Aegon marries one of the Four Storms Helaena marries Cregan Stark or Oscar Tully Aemond marries one of Jason Lannister's daughters Daeron marries the Princess Aliandra of Dorne Aegon's daughter, if he has one, betrothed to Lyonel Tyrell Any couple of these examples would have drastically altered the course of the Dance. And honestly it was really odd in canon that Otto did not even try to do this.
Honestly it seemed like it was written to give the Blacks such better odds on purpose. Like we saw how politically intelligent Otto was, there would be NO WAY he'd not take advantage to make more connections, so Martin had to have it so that Viserys sabotaged them in the book at least.
@@Pouncealot2023 That's one instance though and it wasn't like they DIDN'T react (see the whole 'Blood and Cheese' incident), but the fact that ALL of the connections made for the Green children were so underwhelming and seemed to go against how pragmatic and politically savvy Otto was makes no sense. Otto had multiple years to scheme, manipulate, and plot out the best marriages for the Greens to get the most support (something their plan and futures depended on) but he just... didn't? The same with him not taking advantage of the distrust and resentment the Vale had for Daemon to secure support there, especially after Laenor's death. It seemed like such a massive oversight for YEARS that makes no sense. The only reason why they wouldn't have gotten advantageous marriages is because George R. R. Martin didn't want to give the Greens more support and make things more complicated. The Blacks having as much support as they did makes no sense given the political landscape of Westeros along with the lack of long-term planning on the Greens' part despite everything pointing to that being out of character for them, making it seem like blatant favouritism for the Blacks on the writer's part.
@@lilchaos9212 it makes perfect sense Otto can’t mess with the vale cause viserys is still king. The question would be wtf are you up to Otto and don’t forget rhaeneras mother is Arryn so that’s iffy but even if I was to give you all that let’s say all of Westeros supported the greens, I’d just pose the same question to you kind seems like George RR Martin wanted the war to just last cause after luke why not just storm kingslanding with your 12 dragons and caraxes vermithore sheepstealer could handle vhagar. Seasmoke meleys silverwing could handle sunfrye and tessarion and haelena dragon
@@lilchaos9212 Exactly. The Greens were supposed to be the underdogs in terms of draconic power but had popular support, and while we saw that to some extent, they seemed to have barely used diplomacy with the other houses.
If you wish to get more into GoT fanfiction territory, knowing these are probably too much but What if all Old Valerian houses had 'beasts', the Targaryens have Dragons the Valaryon have actual Sea Horses like Aquamans' or something and the Celtigar has large crabs, imagine how different Aegon's Conquest would be and assuming everything else goes the same Laenor & Laena being both Dragon & Sea Horse riders
I don't know if that would make a huge difference since she already had heirs. It'd just make things more chaotic if she ended up having more "legitimate" children with Aegon, and everyone would support their claim over the Strong boys, but of course Rhaenyra would defend her bastards.
make a what if Aegon V didn't die in The Tragedy of summerhall, and had managed to hatch dragon eggs, let's say 3 dragon eggs to make it interesting, how would that change history from that point o,n with no one dying in summerhall and dragons returning to the world?
Rhaenyra best match would've been with a Stark. I don't know why The Targaryen's ever married with them. Aegon dream says something is going to come from the north so so why not married the most powerful family in the north? Rhaenyra could've married a Grayjoy they have a powerful navy plus they're strong warriors who would be loyal no matter what because they have no other options.
Oh I also have another idea, in the show Lyris attaches himself to Alasin Hightower and become a Allie of sort to her with him getting “privileges” for his serves but what if Lyris instead attached himself to Rhaenyra instead. How would the story change with Lyris being on her side. Would Rhaenyra be willing to give him his “privilege” in exchange for his spy master ability’s I can see this actually happening because as you said in 6:16 Rhaenyra want to not be a piece in another persons game and if Lyris can convince her he can ensure this then I can see her putting up with Lyris and giving him his “privilege” in exchange for him making sure she will not be a piece in someone else’s game
What if Ser Otto served the Realm faithfully and did his duties honorably? What if Daemon became the Hand of the King? What if Aemond was eaten by Vaghar? What if Viserys gave up the throne to Rhaenyra when he pronounced her the heir? What if Viserys was never born?
@@carastone3473Otto was a knight. And like it or not he did his job well. Is it his fault Rhaenyra and Daemon (a.k.a Mr.Heir for a Day) was constantly involved in scandal after scandal.
Jason never would have worked as her husband/consort. Now I think if Rhaenyra had married a younger brother or cousin, a Lannister marriage could work.
Here an idea based off the mirage if idea m, what if Rhaenyra married the black wood kid because she thought she would be able to have more influence over him then any other man in the realm
What if... everything went exactly how King Viserys I wanted. I try to think what Viserys was thinking. I am aware of how unlikely all this is. Viserys saw Rhaenyra as his heir and his children with Alicent as spares. Rhaenyra still marries Leonor Velaryon. King Viserys wanted Rhaenyra's sons to be bio children of Leonor so much he was willing to pretend they were. This time they actually are. Viserys liked the idea of Jace and Haelena's marriage. He was also happy with 2 sons of Rhaenyra and two daughters of Lena Velaryon marriage deal - I go with that one. When King Viserys I first dies Rhaenyra becomes the queen of Westeros no questions asked. My question is what was Viserys planning for Alicent Hightower and her children? Did Viserys believe that at some point Aemma lineage and Alicent lineage would unite? If we don't have Jace and Haelena match... Son of Jace AND daughter of Aegon and Haelena OR daughter of Jace AND son of Aegon and Haelena.
If everything went as Viserys wanted and planned, he would have gotten not just Baelon but several sons by Aemma, maybe a few daughters or two, wed them to each other, and watched as his eldest becomes a noble legendary warrior prince who would become a great king after him. And he's already done what if Baelon lived. basically no Dance, at least not for a long time. honestly, if Rhaenyra was little more than a toddler, it would have been perfect. he could marry her to Aegon and that would be that.
@@elinakangas571 Based on Viserys words and actions, his original plan as of Episode 3 is letting Rhaenyra choose a husband for herself. then after the Daemon incident, he makes her wed laenor. he didnt suggest it earlier because he didn't think corlys would still be pissed off about the Laena thing.
I don’t agree anyone as proud as Rhaenyra would allow any Lannister to change her red three head dragon on black. Lannister consort would be made to accept same conditions as the sea snake did for laenor. Dragon’s will rule.
I actually don’t think house Lannister will split if Rhaenyra marries Tylin because their kids will be cousins to Jason’s kids and very likely to marry in the future
If she did i could guess daemon would still marry laena and still have 2 daughters with her and marry baela to aegon, uniting 3/4 targaryen branches and all dragons except syrax and her clutch but that won't stop the ambitions of rhaenyra and the lannisters and once viserys dies they will declare war. Most the great houses will side with aegon, and besides that and the dragons they would have the velaryon and redwyne fleets. With the greyjoys also likely to tag in. House lannister would have the fate of the reynes of castamere
What if alicents children inherited the hightower features instead of the targaryen features? (Brown hair instead of white hair ect) What if alicent and viserys only had daughters? What if Balerion (sorry if I spelt that wrong) the black dread was still alive during viserys reign?
Great vid but for me his brother Tyrell would be a better Choice!! He loyal lso powerfull and he do eyerthing do get what he want. I guess he would be good man to Rhenyra i think. Also he is political may better then his brother. And he is in Kingslanding so Rhaenyra could stay there... Also he is moment in ep8 of s2 was the highlight to episode. I think he had a lot of Potienial and from his character he would fit Rhaenyra better for me...
Assuming Vhagar still dies then not much would change tbh if he manages to make it back to KL he’d die in the Battle of the Kingsroad. If he makes it to Harrenhall eventually the blacks would find out and he’d die in a siege because I don’t see him bending the knee to Aegon III.
The thing is though this is one of the what if that 100% percent would never happen. Rhaenyra is to prideful to marry any lannister and Rhaenyra would never learn to play the game because she is very stupid.
The idea of Jason standing against his wife is ridiculous. No matter how proud, any Lord is, none will give up the opportunity to become father of the next King, especially when that next king and his siblings are going to own dragons.
When Rhaenerya ascends the throne he could just remain in Castely rock with the rest of his children and let Rhaenerya and their heir be at Kingslanding. Sure, he will push for her heir to bear the Lannister name and would be rejected, but no matter how you look at it, marrying Rhaenerya is a win win for him.
for real i think his pride is so great that if anyone challenged his wife and by extension his right to the throne he would kill them. his pride would demand it
Yes, and also naming his twin-brother Tyland Hand of the Queen would be something he would want.
True he will now have dragons in his family and with all the money they got they just became the most powerful house in the realm.
@@BURNERT08yes so true
Please do what if Viserys dies young and Daemon becomes king.
This is a GREAT IDEA!! Hopefully he sees this and makes a video about it!
OMG YES
it would be a fun history chapter at least
Fire and blood.
lol, I was literally thinking the same thing during this video
Jason primarily supported the Greens because he felt insulted. I’m sure he’d easily side with Rhae. If not for his affection toward her as his wife of several years, but for the children they’d have together.
He’d have his blood on the Throne, Lannister would be cemented in the main Targaryen succession line. He’d be insane to deny that.
I know right
Tbh I don't think Rhaenyra would even have to work hard to convince Jason to side with her in the dance.
I imagine at least part of the Lannisters' reasoning for siding with the greens in canon is that they're annoyed that she rejected them
Probably most likely
If Rhaenyra plays smart in this time line, she would demand to her father that if she’s marrying a Lannister, Viserys will give him the hand position or something like that.
No, Jason is lord of Casterly Rock. It would be smart to name his twin-brother Tyland the Hand.
@@sandragik5595 So? Ned Stark was Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North yet he got dragged to King's Landing to be hand of the King
@Njrocks00 Jason is incredibly stupid and Tyland is smart
@@sandragik5595if I would her I would choose his brother Tyland instand.
Jason already is heir of his house.
Tyrell is for me a better git for her also personally.
Also he is already in the council so they could make him easy hand.
If Rhaenrya was smart she say to Viserys after they both dump his Kids they should try win corlys back with marry Laena to Aegon or Rhaenyras Son if one of them is old enough and slso give Corlys his Position back!
The Problem with rid of Otto is that Allicent still could try to all to get him back like in canon...
It’s funny she doesn’t like Jason because he’s arrogant and self serious yet goes on to marry Daemon whose even more full of himself.
It’d be funny if Nyra threatened Jason with her dragon after catching him cheating for the first time. “Do it again and you’ll be a kabob.”
That would be pretty funny
This guy should have 1 million subscribers easily. These fan theories are the best ASOIAF videos on YT
What if Otto’s machinations were discovered by Viserys himself before Rhaenyra’s wedding is finalized
You need to put a self-insert into Jason for it to work.
Laenor is a would-be candidate for King of Westeros himself and a battle hardened dragon rider. The Velaryons are richer, have dragons, AND have a claim to the throne through Rhaenys that she can merge with through marriage. Rhaenyra is a rival claimant to the throne so the later two things are so much more important for her. Her opponent is Aegon, the most senior direct male line heir of House Targaryen who already commands 4 dragons between himself and his siblings alone. Precedent/common law showed that the crown passed through the male line, with Jaehaerys I over Aerea and Viserys I over Rhaenys, so it's already been upheld twice over. In the medieval setting, especially without codified law, this is all the more important because it's the only existing framework. Jason might have all the money in the world but it wouldn't equal a stronger hereditary claim in the eyes of the realm.
Also, if Jason did marry Rhaenyra the most valuable thing he's really won is male line Lannisters inheriting the throne. In other words, a Lannister dynasty. If deep in his heart he really thought Rhaenyra's brothers and Daemon had a better claim to the throne he would just favor them being killed, or put into the several orders that require celibacy (Maester, septon, King's Guard, Night's Watch etc.).
What if rhaenyra married the prince of dorne?What if jace won the battle of the gullet and saved viserys?
She could pretty much do everything that she was already doing in Kings Landing if she was married to the prince of Dorne. I truly believe that House Martell and House Targaryen would’ve made a much stronger alliance because both sides, practice polygamy and they are in multiple relationships.
Exactly,besides im pretty sure that the prince of dorne wasn't gey,so there is a big chance that they would have legitimate childrens and they would add dorne to the fold@seth_fitzgerald
@@Not_Wazze
The Dornish and Valerian would dominate Dorne, also Summerhall was close to Dorne
It would be a strong alliance but public opinion might sink her reign. Sure, she’s getting dorne, but the optics of the future queen marrying a foreign power that the realm hates instead of a lord of westeros won’t win her many fans.
Not really since her allies come from the north which just doesn't care and the arryns who join her by blood,and now she has the martells so i probably think house tully will join rhaenyra with three lord paramounts supporting her@hopekeeley2122
A union between a dragon and lion a what if idea I always wondered about and a interesting what if thanks, but will you do a what if with Maegor the bronze dragon because I had a though, I think Daemon would still kill Maegor mother so he can marry Laena because Daemon isn't an idiot he knows with Allicent marring his brother that time is running out not just for him but his son and rhaenyra he knows that Otto would do everything he can to get his grandchildren on the throne so having Maegor marry into the only other family with dragons is the best option to protect themselves.
What if alicent and Rhaenyra stayed friends
There are Fanfics aplenty for that one. They make my heart happy
@@hopekeeley2122omg where?!
What if Alicent and Rhaenyra became lovers then fled to free cities eating nothing but cake?
@@Meme-jo7uj the one I’m reading currently is called “to forge an heir” less focus on Alicent and more on rhaenyra learning How to play the game and actually become a good ruler , but they stay friends and it’s nice . It’s told from the perspective of my boy Lyman bees bury too, which is a plus
@@Not-Ap we can only dream….
Okay so I have a lot to say. First off, Rhaenyra not wanting to get married, while simultaneously being worried about being replaced by Aegon. Literally makes no sense at all. This is a feudal society, where birthright inheritance is literally everything. Rhaenyra's reasoning for why she doesn't wish to get married, makes no sense. She has to take a husband & have children to secure her hold on power & the next line of succession to throne. For example, her claiming that marrying Jason Lannister would compromise her position as heir to the throne makes no sense. SHE HAS TO GET MARRIED! Marrying one of the most powerful houses in the realm makes perfect sense.
It makes sense she doesn’t want children because that means bearing children and she doesn’t because of what happened to her mother
it make sensei with her character cause she dumb af
@@Pouncealot2023 That doesn't make sense. Without children, there's no clear line of succession. She can't be desperate to maintain her position as heir to the throne while intentionally weakening her position. Why would anybody support her claim if she refuses every marriage proposal? Why would anybody support her if she has no children to offer up for marriage alliances? Especially when she has a brother who's married with children & two more brothers? All of which can be married off. Your reasoning makes zero sense.
@@keitht24 you’re confusing something here at the time she was iffy about marriage aegon was 2yrs so that defeats your point...my point is she was iffy on marriage because of what she saw happened to her mother. She’s still is a teen and probably didn’t realize what she was going to give up that’s why daemon told her such lonely prospect
@@Pouncealot2023 You should probably go back & watch those scenes. She explicitly stated that she doesn't want to get married & have children & her father was trying to marry her off. Her current state of mind is irrelevant. She knows how her society works.
What if Viserys only have daughters with Alicent?
What if Jace & Helaena married?
What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death?
What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator?
What if Viserys made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons?
she should marry Tyland not Jason she'll have somone on her team on the small counsil so otto might never come back
What if Rhaenyra married a Stark? Maybe have it based around Aegon's prophesy, also with the Starks somewhat known to have the warg ability it would be interesting to see if their heir has the ability to warg with their dragon. and also the Night watch could be better maintained and equipped with the backing of royalty.
I don't know that she could have, Lord Rickon Stark was already married with heirs, and his son Cregan is only a couple of years older than Rhaenyra's first son.
Just wanted to say I love you what ifs, please keep it going. From what I've found you're the only GOT/ASOIAF channel that isn't afraid to really dive into what if scenarios and create.
Others that have tried it seem almost afraid and it ends up being a summary of cannon events with notes of other options
What if Otto hightower was killed at dragon Stone by Daemon when trying to retrieve the dragons egg
What if Rhaegar deposed Aerys at Harrenhal like he initially wanted
What if Aemond let Aegon run away in episode 9?
16:48 Yeah too many conflicting interests with this match no matter the brother. This family as a whole just seems to clash too much with Rhaenyras personality. What about someone who resembles someone she actually likes who even looks vaguely like Harwin Strong. What about Borros Baratheon? He's roughly close to her in age and already has blood ties with her family in more ways than one. Plus he is the son of Boremund who helped select a husband.
What if Rhaenyra married and had children mainly sons with Otto. Who would he push for the throne more?
I like how you think, friend! Now that’s a great What If!
This is horrifying
Oh no Otto is a creep but the Idea of marry his son would be interested Sir Gwain seams be a good man!
What if Brandon Stark (Ned’s brother) lived and Ned died in Roberts Rebellion
This one!!!
What if Robert and rheager both died at the trident
Visery that Idoit would King became hell no....😂😂
Could you make what if Rhaenyra married Gwayne hightower, Queen Alicents brother ?
That would very interesting unlike otto he seems to be a good man. And unlike Otto his carring.
Also if that happen Otto may would not try steal her Throne after his Grandson would sit on the Throne...
@@darkduchess5870 peace since no way does Otto plot against his own son
@@patrickfabsich2692 what if Rhaenyra married Otto?
@godemperorofmankind3.091 🤢🤣
What if Aemma lived and Deamon stayed the aire
What if the Greens managed to secure good marriage alliances before the Dance?
For example:
Aegon marries one of the Four Storms
Helaena marries Cregan Stark or Oscar Tully
Aemond marries one of Jason Lannister's daughters
Daeron marries the Princess Aliandra of Dorne
Aegon's daughter, if he has one, betrothed to Lyonel Tyrell
Any couple of these examples would have drastically altered the course of the Dance. And honestly it was really odd in canon that Otto did not even try to do this.
Honestly it seemed like it was written to give the Blacks such better odds on purpose. Like we saw how politically intelligent Otto was, there would be NO WAY he'd not take advantage to make more connections, so Martin had to have it so that Viserys sabotaged them in the book at least.
@@lilchaos9212you could say the same thing about the greens...after lucerys death the blacks with their dragons should have just stormed kingslanding
@@Pouncealot2023 That's one instance though and it wasn't like they DIDN'T react (see the whole 'Blood and Cheese' incident), but the fact that ALL of the connections made for the Green children were so underwhelming and seemed to go against how pragmatic and politically savvy Otto was makes no sense. Otto had multiple years to scheme, manipulate, and plot out the best marriages for the Greens to get the most support (something their plan and futures depended on) but he just... didn't? The same with him not taking advantage of the distrust and resentment the Vale had for Daemon to secure support there, especially after Laenor's death. It seemed like such a massive oversight for YEARS that makes no sense. The only reason why they wouldn't have gotten advantageous marriages is because George R. R. Martin didn't want to give the Greens more support and make things more complicated. The Blacks having as much support as they did makes no sense given the political landscape of Westeros along with the lack of long-term planning on the Greens' part despite everything pointing to that being out of character for them, making it seem like blatant favouritism for the Blacks on the writer's part.
@@lilchaos9212 it makes perfect sense Otto can’t mess with the vale cause viserys is still king. The question would be wtf are you up to Otto and don’t forget rhaeneras mother is Arryn so that’s iffy but even if I was to give you all that let’s say all of Westeros supported the greens, I’d just pose the same question to you kind seems like George RR Martin wanted the war to just last cause after luke why not just storm kingslanding with your 12 dragons and caraxes vermithore sheepstealer could handle vhagar. Seasmoke meleys silverwing could handle sunfrye and tessarion and haelena dragon
@@lilchaos9212 Exactly. The Greens were supposed to be the underdogs in terms of draconic power but had popular support, and while we saw that to some extent, they seemed to have barely used diplomacy with the other houses.
What if the Dovahkiin showed up in House of the Dragon?
If you wish to get more into GoT fanfiction territory, knowing these are probably too much but
What if all Old Valerian houses had 'beasts', the Targaryens have Dragons the Valaryon have actual Sea Horses like Aquamans' or something and the Celtigar has large crabs, imagine how different Aegon's Conquest would be and assuming everything else goes the same Laenor & Laena being both Dragon & Sea Horse riders
What if Viserys dies young and Daemon is the King next!!
What if Rhaenyra married Aegon after Laeonor supposed it death?
Yes, that please!
I don't know if that would make a huge difference since she already had heirs. It'd just make things more chaotic if she ended up having more "legitimate" children with Aegon, and everyone would support their claim over the Strong boys, but of course Rhaenyra would defend her bastards.
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Yes but think of the drama and story.
What if Jace married Haelena?
These videos are interesting you should do video on If Daeron the young dragon didn’t die in Dorne
make a what if Aegon V didn't die in The Tragedy of summerhall, and had managed to hatch dragon eggs, let's say 3 dragon eggs to make it interesting, how would that change history from that point o,n with no one dying in summerhall and dragons returning to the world?
What if it is a Dragon with lion heads
House Chimera true heirs of Westeros confirmed?
Rhaenyra best match would've been with a Stark. I don't know why The Targaryen's ever married with them. Aegon dream says something is going to come from the north so so why not married the most powerful family in the north? Rhaenyra could've married a Grayjoy they have a powerful navy plus they're strong warriors who would be loyal no matter what because they have no other options.
Oh I also have another idea, in the show Lyris attaches himself to Alasin Hightower and become a Allie of sort to her with him getting “privileges” for his serves but what if Lyris instead attached himself to Rhaenyra instead. How would the story change with Lyris being on her side. Would Rhaenyra be willing to give him his “privilege” in exchange for his spy master ability’s
I can see this actually happening because as you said in 6:16 Rhaenyra want to not be a piece in another persons game and if Lyris can convince her he can ensure this then I can see her putting up with Lyris and giving him his “privilege” in exchange for him making sure she will not be a piece in someone else’s game
Jason Lannister was a douchebag. No way could Rhaenyra have put up with him for long.
So is she, they are perfect
What if Ser Otto served the Realm faithfully and did his duties honorably?
What if Daemon became the Hand of the King?
What if Aemond was eaten by Vaghar?
What if Viserys gave up the throne to Rhaenyra when he pronounced her the heir?
What if Viserys was never born?
Otto was not a knight, so he doesn’t get the title ‘Ser.’
@@carastone3473Otto was a knight. And like it or not he did his job well. Is it his fault Rhaenyra and Daemon (a.k.a Mr.Heir for a Day) was constantly involved in scandal after scandal.
Otto did do his job.
@carastone3473 Yes he was, Ser Otto Hightower.
@@carastone3473 Otto was a knight.
Here's a crazy one- What if Rhaenyra Married a Hightower.
Jason never would have worked as her husband/consort. Now I think if Rhaenyra had married a younger brother or cousin, a Lannister marriage could work.
I really enjoyed this what if?
Here an idea based off the mirage if idea m, what if Rhaenyra married the black wood kid because she thought she would be able to have more influence over him then any other man in the realm
What if... everything went exactly how King Viserys I wanted.
I try to think what Viserys was thinking.
I am aware of how unlikely all this is.
Viserys saw Rhaenyra as his heir and his children with Alicent as spares.
Rhaenyra still marries Leonor Velaryon. King Viserys wanted Rhaenyra's sons to be bio children of Leonor so much he was willing to pretend they were. This time they actually are.
Viserys liked the idea of Jace and Haelena's marriage. He was also happy with 2 sons of Rhaenyra and two daughters of Lena Velaryon marriage deal - I go with that one.
When King Viserys I first dies Rhaenyra becomes the queen of Westeros no questions asked.
My question is what was Viserys planning for Alicent Hightower and her children?
Did Viserys believe that at some point Aemma lineage and Alicent lineage would unite? If we don't have Jace and Haelena match... Son of Jace AND daughter of Aegon and Haelena OR daughter of Jace AND son of Aegon and Haelena.
If everything went as Viserys wanted and planned, he would have gotten not just Baelon but several sons by Aemma, maybe a few daughters or two, wed them to each other, and watched as his eldest becomes a noble legendary warrior prince who would become a great king after him.
And he's already done what if Baelon lived. basically no Dance, at least not for a long time.
honestly, if Rhaenyra was little more than a toddler, it would have been perfect. he could marry her to Aegon and that would be that.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Yes true that was his original idea and plan. After the death of Queen Aemma I am not sure what he wanted.
@@elinakangas571 Based on Viserys words and actions, his original plan as of Episode 3 is letting Rhaenyra choose a husband for herself. then after the Daemon incident, he makes her wed laenor. he didnt suggest it earlier because he didn't think corlys would still be pissed off about the Laena thing.
I don’t agree anyone as proud as Rhaenyra would allow any Lannister to change her red three head dragon on black. Lannister consort would be made to accept same conditions as the sea snake did for laenor. Dragon’s will rule.
I actually don’t think house Lannister will split if Rhaenyra marries Tylin because their kids will be cousins to Jason’s kids and very likely to marry in the future
If she did i could guess daemon would still marry laena and still have 2 daughters with her and marry baela to aegon, uniting 3/4 targaryen branches and all dragons except syrax and her clutch but that won't stop the ambitions of rhaenyra and the lannisters and once viserys dies they will declare war.
Most the great houses will side with aegon, and besides that and the dragons they would have the velaryon and redwyne fleets. With the greyjoys also likely to tag in.
House lannister would have the fate of the reynes of castamere
Twins have twins, do let's say rhaenyra has a boy named baelon first, then twin daughters named aemma and visenya
What if alicents children inherited the hightower features instead of the targaryen features? (Brown hair instead of white hair ect)
What if alicent and viserys only had daughters?
What if Balerion (sorry if I spelt that wrong) the black dread was still alive during viserys reign?
Great vid but for me his brother Tyrell would be a better Choice!!
He loyal lso powerfull and he do eyerthing do get what he want.
I guess he would be good man to Rhenyra i think. Also he is political may better then his brother. And he is in Kingslanding so Rhaenyra could stay there...
Also he is moment in ep8 of s2 was the highlight to episode. I think he had a lot of Potienial and from his character he would fit Rhaenyra better for me...
What if for some reason she chose to marry Willem Blackwood?
What if Rhaenyra marries the Blackwood kid?
What if Viserys let Rhaenyra marry two (or more) husbands
What if Viserys claimed Vaghar after his father Baelon the brave thus getting the targaryen immunite to sickness back after Balerion died.
They aren't immune to sickness when they have dragons.
It's not immunity just enhanced disease resistance and increased longevity.
@@Not-Ap either way it changes the story by a lot if Viserys lives longer
What if Aemond Survived the dragon-back fight with Daemon (Not crippled)?
Assuming Vhagar still dies then not much would change tbh if he manages to make it back to KL he’d die in the Battle of the Kingsroad.
If he makes it to Harrenhall eventually the blacks would find out and he’d die in a siege because I don’t see him bending the knee to Aegon III.
What would happen if baby visenya lived?
Doesn't canister have a buch of daughters. If she married him they would marry aegon to one of her daughters
What if Rhaenyra married Chad Blackwood
The thing is though this is one of the what if that 100% percent would never happen. Rhaenyra is to prideful to marry any lannister and Rhaenyra would never learn to play the game because she is very stupid.
What if Rhaenyra killed the white dear?
What if rhaenrya married borros baratheon
/Spoilers
*What if Jace Velaryon lived?
*What if Ned accepted the Iron Throne instead of Robert?
What if Viserys and Alicent had only female children?
What if aemond let aegon go he became king
Laenor could marry Haelena
Who cares finish daeron killing daemon
What if that boar🐗 killed rhaneyra