MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 someone not involved in the process created a list. They had no authority, no knowledge of cost or importation process. They were completely independant of this import. Anyone working with this person should have known better.
If anything comes from this I hope FEG realizes because of the MAC fiasco just how popular these would be to the market here and decide to produce more... but other then that I hate even thinking about this rifle.
Yeah i would buy one of these in a second, and i dont mean that in the internet bluffing sense, i have cash set aside for it. im just not going to buy it from copper. From what i understand Atlantic has offered to help with larger scale imports
I'd like the market flooded with them personally, I'm sure FEG would be happy with the profits they'd make but I'll never give a cent to copper or MAC now.
@@TruckingShooter Yeah, I would love to see them come over here in massive numbers cause honestly we need more foreign import rifles. The Obama era sanctions on Russia smashed Vepr and Saiga AK rifles. Leaving Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia (I'm probably forgetting a few others) the only foreign AK importers in the game. If we can start getting Hungarian rifles into the country again we would be in good shape as Hungary has several rifles other weapons I'd like to be able to own. Not to mention any and all new firearms we get imported is a massive middle finger to our corrupt Government, and we need more middle fingers pointed at them then ever before.
Man all these inflated prices - and I’m not referring just to firearms. Be smart about how much money you’re spend on stuff that is inflated - don’t buy rifles or pallets of wood or whatever it may be unless you crucially need it - if nothing is selling and moving than prices will come down. Hope everyone has a great day
True, and it works ... to some degree. We've got 5.45 Saigas dropping about 400€ here (Austria), 'cause they lay around for a year since they got legalized. SKS dropped about 100€. You have to order 7.62x39 Saigas. Some dealers don't keep them readily in stock anymore, because people keep buying the cheaper Polish, Bulgarian or Chinese ones.
@@omardevonlittle3817 While that is true up to a point, it also hasn't dipped 50% in value over the last few years. €uro is still strong, and I see it here, too. Prices of some goods have increased. With guns in particular, it's always a thing. Dealers know that some pieces have a certain history and/or cult following, so they charge for it accordingly. Then there're the import bans/regulations in combination with a few rumors about this and that, and prices go up again.
@@misha5670 congratulations that is one of them Holy grail guns only few of us gun people can say we have in are safe very cool! I would love to shoot one just once
The close ups of this rifle look much better than I would have expected. Who knows... With all the demand for SVDs, maybe even Palmetto will get in on the game.
I agree wholeheartedly , Bummed as well lol i want one! But no way i can afford that hell if im gonna go 5k might as well go a lil more for transferable mac (giggity) or something right lol
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 lol so now there’s a cabal of gun insiders including Tim who planned this whole situation. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 👀😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂💀!! You kids..... you guys are to much. Why did the form list guys pool their money together and thwart these evil doers? Y’all allegedly had 3 years to gather your resources and make it happen. I guess Cheetos and porn hub were more important.
Thank you, to be honest I was nervous about the HD18. It was a lot of money and no one knew the quality level to expect from FEG. I took a deep breath & crossed my fingers. Now that i ahve it though, i am quite pleased and gaining respect for the rifle daily.
@@wyatt79m Just grabbed an original FH/FSB for it tonight. That's my #1 complaint, the chinsy one it comes with. Next, going to look for a set of polymer furniture so its actually comfortable for me to shoulder. Oh well, a little project but those can be fun.
@@misha5670 you need to get your Buddy to tell his PET to STFU. Happy you got one dude been a fan for years and an icon for disabled gun owners but please distance yourself from the SLIME that wanted to kill these from the beginning.
Definitely, for me personally its something I've wanted here in the USA ever since I lived in Russia. So there was a bit of an emotional component that many others probably don't have. I will be reworking it to look like the one from there: short flash hider and black poly furniture.
@@LangstonDev Yep, gotta love a guy who spends all his days talking crap about other people and other situations he isn't involved in. Here we call such people 'drama queens'.
Misha, so now that they have been exposed as crooked they can just back pedal & save some face by contacting SOME of the people on that list? Where you on that original list? Was a reasonable profit made on the sale, or quite a large profit? I’m sure you don’t care because you got one even if it came by ways of unethical business practice.
Misha, just a side note as well. I never called anyone evil. Just find it amazing how you played into their hand on this while simultaneously taking a dump on others if even only 100 by supporting this company & your want for something no matter if others are steamrolled to make it possible. I am also under the understanding that they are being sold for $7500 which would be around at least a $2000 mark up, please correct me if I am wrong, because this would amount to $200,000 profit on the sale of 100 imported rifles, sounds kinda steep right? I am more than willing to debate this with you more if you so choose.
@@roydriskill8342 I was offered one for $6,800 that Monday they came out. That was before all the internet stuff really got going. What would you have done? Called and canceled the order a week later? The list people were all offered one at $6,800. Is the price high? Yep sure is but for the past year, prices on every firearm have been high.
@@roydriskill8342 Honestly? yes i do think them trying to go back and contact the people on the list was a step in the right direction. Maybe they should have done it from the very beginning but its still better late than never at all. As for how much profit some company made? That's really not my business I don't ask a cafe what the meal i am eating cost them orhow much the ammo I'm shooting cost to make. Of course I would ahve preferred the original price of $5,000....who wouldn't? I weighed things over in my mind and with concerns over what our new gov't might do? I decided an expensive ?Dragunov was better than none at all. My reason for getting one was that i owned one in Russia back in 2008 and have always wanted a chance to replace it. The chance came along finally, and I took it.
Prices are going up because the value of the dollar is going down. That is because our politicians cannot spend fast enough. The hectic pace of the print and spend cartel is destroying the dollar's value.
I look forward to getting one of these when they are more widely distributed. Seems im getting lucky, all the guns i wanted as a teenager in the 2010s are showing up again, got Chinese TT's without side safety's, The Beryl, these SVDs, and i no longer have teenager poverty either! Seems things may be on the up and up!
@@mrguiltyfool If your carrying the thing maybe. I am but a humble collector however, so i cant say its an issue for me, the only time any TT of mine has a round chambered is down range at a shooting area miles away from people
If I ever got one which I hope they'll be bringing more eventually I'm definitely replacing the stock and handguard for the more modern svd stock set it way more comfortable for me.
I really, truely hope more come in. It would be great if as many people as possible can get & enjoy one. Lets hope together, and totally agree on the furniture. The stock is far too long for me.
The only way this new svd import will satisfy the American market is if they bring in 100 million of them, this is by far more popular than any AK, especially after it's been deprived for so long.
I would actually welcome the exposure of these on TH-cam gun channels to drum up more widespread interest so FEG will consider shipping these over on a more regular basis. Could help with the pricing problem by allowing them to profit from higher volume of sales at a lower price. Also to deal with more than one importer and distributor. 🙄
I wanted to do this video because I was seriously impressed with the quality of this rifle. I had no idea what to expect or not. In that department alone, it has exceded my wildest expectations.
Companies don't deal with more than one importer. All the hoopla about "Copper cornered the market" is beyond silly. 99% of the time there is one importer for a particular firearm. When you're talking about MAYBE 50 guns a month in continued production, there will never be more than one importer. The goal is to get these out to distribution and fund FEG's ability to tool up to make more and more and in the process get the price down. The trolls spreading lies about the whole ordeal will be the ones that get these shut off completely so thousands of wouldn't be owners get screwed. But trolls don't care who they hurt or what damage they cause. They're out for sh*ts and giggles. If you're interested in the truth behind this whole story, here it is. If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel I’m flattered to get the attention of a celebrity. Yes I watch your channel and I understand how wholesale vs retail pricing works. Not trying to troll you, you essentially just said what I said in an essay format. It would be nice if they spun up regular production. I would be in on one if someday they got down to the $3000 neighborhood. Your LMT 37mm M203 launcher video got me looking for one of those to put on my A2 clone so it has the feel of the one I used to carry in the Army a while back, unfortunately it looks like Brownells pulled the plug on stocking another popular item (I.e. the BRN-10). 🤦♂️
@@misha5670 I couldn't agree more. Especially how 7.62x54mmR was so cheap for so long, it was literally $7.99 for a box of 20 in my area prior to the pandemic and panic buying. Made me wish I had a Mosin Nagant.
If the trolls don't wreck the whole deal, yes. More are planned to come in and the revenue from the first 100 was to help fund FEG's ability to increase production for regular monthly shipments. With that comes a new price negotiation where Trident and Copper hope to get the price of full production rifles down in price even more. Meanwhile, here's the truth of what actually happened. If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
Agreed, construction quality is higher than I expected....price was higher too but what ya' gonna do? I took a stiff drink and gave them my CC info. Having the gun in-hand now, it does sting a bit less.
Why I'm sure I don't know what you mean! I can say the ATF was called in by the importer to confirm the original ruling, and again the HD18 passed inspection.
Yep, was sitting on the crapper and got a phone call from Copper. Was told that Patreon supporters were being offered a shot at one.....thought about it for a minute and said 'sure' why not? So onto the Discover card it went....that was before all the drama kicked off too. What a ride it has been since then.
@@misha5670 Precisely, I don't sell anything. But hey, the internet loves its drama. I don't make the business decisions for Copper, I just make videos.
I don't know about 'reasonable' but they retailed on the Copper Customs website for $7,500.00. Also for those on the original 'list', they were offered at a discount of $6,800.
@@misha5670 And everyone on the list had a chance to buy one thanks to a forum member who secretly contacted them through PM and was subsequently turned in by the AKForum Stasi. He was banned for trying to honor the unsanctioned list made by the bad actor PRDUBI. Here's the whole story. If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel thanks for your side of the story and is much deeper than most say. I for one will not make jokes either way if you made it right. That said im sure you will not miss my business because your deceptive nature connected with pro-2a groups monetary support.
And you can all thank BFGmovies/Flandre maybe yall will start listening to us from theakforum. We banned him last week for trying to get unauthorized private info from users. Because that failed, MAC had to give all these to his youtube buddies, and do yall really think people like RobSki and Misha paid 7500?
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 You complain about being banned in comments after harassing and spamming, then brag about banning someone else from your forum...
@@LangstonDev I wasnt the one that banned. And Im not the one poking around to get peoples personal contact info to a company that throws around lawsuites.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 At least he tried to get the rifles to the list people instead of just crying on forums like a little bi... And look, now you're even crying under every possible HD-18 video.
Hey brother, sorry to comment here about this but you had commented on another video that the Arsenal SAM 7's year of manufacture can be gleaned from the first 2 numbers of the serial number and I'm still unsure as to how to determine year of manufacture. The first 2 on my rifle is 53. Do you determine the year of manufacture in the same way as the Arsenal Makarov by adding those numbers to 1960?
How does this compare to something like my Romanian 2018 PSL? Would it really be worth getting seeing how my PSL shoots better than MOA with 148 Grain Wolf?
Looking for overall shootability, a big part of which is accuracy for me. So I thank you for your candor! Thanks brother! And if you are ever in New Mexico, shoot me a message!
Now why would you go get one those cursed rifles and piss off half of the 2A community? This review you should have kept to yourself..... unless it’s a middle finger.
Sorry but why should anyone have the right to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't purchase. Saying someone shouldn't own a gun sounds an awful lot like what the Gun Grabbers think.
@@misha5670 I know you have to be aware of the history of these rifles. And You know that we know the only way you were able to purchase this rifle is by your relationship with the “distributor”. I love your content. I will continue to watch all your videos. But this particular video just reeks of “look at what you all were supposed to get but sorry about your luck”, Misha.
@@aaron.from.winchester6744 Man, there's a lot of assuming there going on. I got a call that morning saying they were here and if i wanted one? I thought it over and said yes. This was not just before the internet stuff started but actually before I even watched the MAC video. Remember that I'm an FFL-Dealer. I get calls everyday asking if i am interested in purchasing firearms. Its just my line of work. So there was nothing special or unusual about it. Of course later on, things snowballed and then i was aware of the situation, but not at the time i placed my order. No where in this video do i talk about the situation or get into the drama. This video is about the gun itself; no more, no less.
@@aaron.from.winchester6744 I don't think you're aware of the actual history of these rifles. If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
This is a DMR, if not a 100% true sniper rifle. So it should outshoot most of those, esp the FAL. I truely love the FN but it has never been known for amazing accuracy.
@@misha5670 I know it's a DMR. To me sniper is an occupational job category. A skillset. Not a rifle or gear by itself. Sharpshooter and DMR might be more of the same thing. At least historically. Definitely not in the category of sniper. That's a whole array of different skills. It's why I don't think a sniper rifle exists. Because a sniper can use anything to it's advantage. Doesn't mean the tool is a sniper tool by itself. They could use a scoped Marlin PSS papoose .22 and it be a "sniper rifle" or a 45-70 lever action. The tool doesn't make the sniper itself. It's an extension of him. Might be scoped, non scoped, semi auto or not. Big bore or small bore. It's almost irrelevant what they use as a tool.
They wouldve been if not for a cabal of importers and guntubers trying to get them banned. How conveniant that a bunch of pre ban elites want limited imports........
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 You mean the actual people that contacted the ATF to get them banned right? Including your forum folks, because "if I can't have them, no one will"
@@misha5670 little late to replying but yeah i feel you, Just did the same for a SA -M 5 , Sometimes you just gotta do it , You only live once! Much love and respect brother
It does NOT float my boat. For its price, I'll get a M14 semi-auto, or a decked out AR in 308, with plenty of money left to buy match grade ammo. Oh yeah, I'll have the 20-round magazines which is double the capacity of the Combloc 10-round magazine. Edit to add the FN SCAR-17. I will get it before any Combloc 10-rounder.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum and claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms' efforts to get forum users to buy from him FAILed he is using other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
Meh, I could afford to buy 40 of these at $15,000 each without breaking a sweat but have zero interest in these commercial rods as it's nothing more than a semi-automatic rifle built for the civilian market. If it isn't legit Soviet or Chicom surplus I won't buy it. I bought 200 acres of land and built a 1000m range on it, that's how much I enjoy target shooting, and still wouldn't pay anywhere close to $5k for one of these FEG rifles. I could get a legit PEM or PU M91/30 for that.
when you mentioning tigers features you speaking about very first models. modern tigers have more variants to choose from (wooden/polymer furniture , folding/non folding stocks, adjustable gas blocks, diferent barrel lengths and calibers).
I don't find any of them to be particularly accurate with standard load commercial ammo... The PSL/Vepr/M91 that is, but I've been given to understand the SVD is the same way, you need 7N1 ammo (or ammo loaded very similarly) to tighten up the groups. It's why I got out of semi-auto 54r completely, my .308s shoot much tighter groups with equivalently priced (during non-panic times) ammo.
Cobbler Custom (misspelled on purpose) is dead to me. I will never buy a product associated with them. I hope another group can entice FEG to produce more.
Them, Atlantic,RobSki,Flandre are all ome big cabal that are the same people that tried pressuring the ATF to never imports these. How conveniant that the same bunch of people are now claiming these are contraband with no verification at all from the actual mfr FEG. They wanna kill FEG so their iNveSTmUnts are protected.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@hugh_mungus_what it would really help if these so called men wouldnt keep deleting my comments. Like 5 channels have completely shadow banned me. They dont want the ak community to wake up
Cool Looking Rifle, not my bag, but cool. Wonder why they chose white line spacers for the butt plate and the grip cap? Good to know it can take regular SVD furniture.
@@adamarens3520 I don’t blame you at all. His excuse for the whole thing was “what list?” Even though the list of usernames was posted several times lol
@@misha5670 well, from my understanding the list was of people that where lining up to buy it, from the manufacturer, to import to America. In my opinion, Mac wanted to cash in, and just didn’t even attempt to contact anyone that was originally wanting to buy one. I just feel like it’s pretty shitty to do, when the reason they got imported was because of those people on that list hyping up the import lol
Realistically? I don't think the price could drop too much below $6,000. FEG was paid $4,800 per rifle this time. Once someone gets a price for something, its pretty difficult to get them to accept much less the next time.
Thank you, while when i bought it I was kind of so-so on it...the price stung a lot, but after getting it and really handling it for several days? Its quickly growing on me. Sometimes its like that for me with a gun, takes a bit of time.
@@misha5670 for sure man. ya while watching your vid I had to take out my vepr 7.62x54r and give the gun a good clean. Even inspired me to look at additional parts for it like a scope mount for future hunting endeavors that I will pursue. Guns are like functional art, even old milsurp weapons if they could tell the stories they'd paint an amazing historic picture that goes unseen. Thanks for all that you and your brother do.
I would be happy to give it to you, but haven't you heard? These are tainted or cursed or something. I couldn't pass such a thing onto you. That just wouldn't be right. So alas, it looks like I am stuck with it.
@@misha5670 Trident does just as much in terms of imports and they most certainly do it by the book. What AoA and JDI didn't have to contend with is a guy going by the user name of PRDUBI spreading false information, laying claim to guns that weren't his, lying about prices, lying about just about everything... which forum members are starting to finally see. Now that he's on the hot seat for his actions, he's gone silent and refuses to answer questions. If a forum member asks questions about his shady actions, they get banned. The biggest mistake was not taking the advice from a mutual friend and importer, and walking away because this PRDUBI guy was trouble from day one (saying the guns would sell for $3k in the US while shopping them for $4800 in Budapest - to which PRDUBI admitted but no one cares).
@@beelow84 Sssshhhh quiet man. They haven't yet figured out the MiG is a clunker from the old DDR. I put sawdust in the engines so it would test-run once for them. Keep it on the d/l though
I really want an S.V.D type rifle......the design is just more accurate than the "stretched out Akm" designed D.M.R's like the P.S.L and Zastava. I also love my pre-ban Hungarian A.K.M's. I thought one day I might get lucky and find a Norinco Ndm-86 at a gun show but I am just happy that any S.V.D variant is coming in. I DO NOT CARE at all about all the bitching and bad blood about it on the internet. Sorry to anyone who feels like they were slighted. Whatever "list" was ignored making MAC the enemy of the free world somehow, I just don't care. If you want something fight for it....we should just be happy they came in at all. What sucks is with all this controversy they may not again which makes me furious. All the hate has left a bad taste. I myself am happy for EVERYONE that has one. Even though I'm not rich, even if just 100 came in and they are 10,000 dollars that means if I win the lottery now my odds are better of finding one!!! I hope and pray they become more common so they could be less than 2,500 at least. (Talking to you P.S.A) Thank you Misha for the video. You are a positive voice in a sea of negativity- and that is always refreshing.
If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel Thank's for commenting, deep down I knew it was something like this. I never got involved in any of the arguments on the web or at gun shops lately. A wise man once told me--once you form an opinion on something you might HEAR others but you stop listening. I hate when the "gun community" eats it's own and rages on like they have about this mess. It really makes me sad because we have WAY to many enemies to be turning on each other on the drop of a dime. I seriously fear for the next generation. Thank's for commenting Sir, and for all the content.
@@seanbrando_7456 I spent over 2 hours talking with Flandre on Monday. He said that Prdubi is now telling everyone asking about one to talk with him (Flandre), which sounds to me like Prdubi is trying to get out of this entirely. Also, i asked Flandre if everyone on the list that could be contacted had been? And he said straight-out "yes". He followed up by saying roughly 20 took the offer. So this matches up perfectly with what both David and Tim are saying.
@@seanbrando_7456 You're welcome and thank you for being objective. Unfortunately, once the internet mob starts, far too many refuse to listen to the truth and find more fun in trying to destroy others for what amounts to sh*ts and giggles. There isn't one angry person pounding their keyboards with a beat red face and bloodshot eyes over this issue. No, 99.99999% of the commenters are gleefully parroting false information because they thoroughly enjoy the witch hunt and trying to destroy others. These same people who claim to be bastions of the 2A and claim they hate the ATF but are the same people calling the ATF trying to convince them these are contraband rifles, when they aren't. What this unfortunately incident has taught me is that we don't have a "2A community" online, we have nothing of the sort.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum and claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms' efforts to get forum users to buy from him FAILed he is using other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@hugh_mungus_what And you are basing this on...what? The simple fact is i bought this rifle Monday, March 15. That was before everything went to hell online about these. Rob Sky beat me to the punch, having bought one an hour before....Know what we originally paid? $8,000. Tim called me back later saying he had talked with the owner of CC (David Blythe) and got a better price for his Patreons. This is where the $6,800 came from.
Message for Jay ,have you seen the 2020 movie "AK-47 Kalashnikov ? I ordered a copy from Critics Choice video .I don't know if it's accurate but with so few gun movies I doubt I will be disappointed .I'll let you know when I get it .
@@PaulVerhoeven2 as if american movies was totally true stories. huge amount of ridiculous bullshit as well. you just see piece of dust in others eye but can’t feel rock in your own one. at this point most people just prefer to believe in what they want to believe and that’s pretty much it.
@@randomperson-fr8ig All movies are ridiculous BS, and American movies have become mostly propaganda recently too, only not for the government so much as for the Cult.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 sometimes it’s just way too obvious and cringe as hell. the main point to not took it serious and look at them only as entertaining stuff but not more.
Hadn’t heard of any of the drama surrounding this rifle and it’s not my thing so I have no horse in this race. It does seem counterproductive for someone with over a million TH-cam subs and a retail business to risk his good will on a very limited chance to make a short term profit. I could see it if he was signing a long term exclusive deal but this seems like a limited run one off. Bad business decision if that’s what happened. Sounds like Donald J and the casino business. Either way I enjoy Mishaco’s reviews and I’ll stay subbed to this channel for sure.
Thank you, with this video, i wanted to focus on the firearm itself. Its kind of gotten lost in all the drama-noise. I will say only this, Tim H. is only a minority share holder in Copper Customs. I think he has 40% of the stock? The Majority owner & controller is Mr. Davide Blythe and while i don't know him myself, I have had people say nice things to me about him *shrug*
@@misha5670 like I say I have no horse in this race. I enjoy the depth of the information you provide on your channel.I think those SVD type rifles have kind of an old school elegance to their look. I’m a sucker for wood furniture on FALs, Galils and the like.
My part in this all begins and ends with buying one. And i did that because I've wanted a 24" barreled Dragunov for a long time. Tigers are great and all, but the 20" barrel just kind of bugged me personally. So here we are. I gambled it wouldn't be a pile of crap, and I hope I rolled some good numbers? Time will tell but first impressions are positive.
Trident and Copper were the buyers from day one, not PRDUBI or any forum member. The one who people should be mad at is the guy who made a list of buyers without the consent or knowledge of the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper). This same person lied to the forum members about the price. He promised them they would be $3k to their hands and within 3 days of that post he was shopping them to importers for $4800 in Budapest. The same guy claimed he was collecting contact information, but he never did and never reached out once to the owners of the rifles (Trident/Copper), even to this day. FEG didn't need proof there was a market, they had already sold all 100 guns. Not PRDUBI nor a single forum member did anything to get the guns approved by BATF, not one of them. They also didn't front a single penny. It's also interesting to note the guns were already the property of Trident when PRDUBI decided he would try and sell them to other importers to see if he could get more money, while telling forum members the price being much lower. Another over looked fact is that Copper worked with a senior forum member (Flandre) who got contact info from people on the list in good faith and this senior forum member was banned for doing so. Everyone on the unsanctioned list had an opportunity to get a rifle and about 20 took them. AND, I don't make business decisions for Copper.
Flandre of bfgmovies compared his to his Russian TIGR and the FEG is spot on minus a few minor details. He did say FEG only had 100 parts kits on hand to build rifles.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 did you see the list? It was literally a bunch of screen names of people who said they would be interested in them..half of them probably had 0 intention of buying them when this shipment came in..what Tim did was pretty shitty though but still the whole list was a joke and where is this mysterious f.e.g employee now
@@christopherlambert7814 yeah theres this thing called privacy. The importer refused Feg's assistance with the list then MAC winds up with all 100? Yeah nothing shady here. Now hes taking advantage of Mishaco's friendship. They are cowards. We only asked them to apologize publicly and clearly but they kept hiding behind surrogates, then some listers coulve forgiven but no his cronies and patreon simps have them all and are trying to declare them contraband so nor more can be imported.
@@hugh_mungus_what Actually, i agreed to buy this before the whole internet thing got to going. I could have canceled after all the shit started hitting the fan, but why? Its more fun to see people like you get their panties in a wodd. Especially since you are talking about things you don't know much of anything about, but please carry on.
@@hugh_mungus_what How do you know when I did or didn't do anything? You are assuming 99% of everything when making your story up. Sorry you are part of TYM's liberal crowd. When's the next ANTIFIA meetup?
I sure hope so....or rather not be interested in some guns. I know a ton of people love the crap out of Glocks and i see that makes them really happy. Good for them, but personally most Glocks bore the crap out of me lol. So if you feel like that about this Dragunov? Totally makes sense to me. For me, its something I'ved wanted here in the USA since my days in Russia.
Cost and everything else aside? Yes it is and i think i am going to enjoy customizing it and setting it up to work best for me. The trigger really impresses me. Its nicer than most Dragunovs that I've fingered in the past.
@vettelover2009 I have a PSA AR, its great. Had a GF3 AK I sold because it was trash hah I watched Mishas vid on their 103 same issues mine had. for the 800-100 their AKS cost your infintely better off with a Wasr or better yet a Zastava m70
Honestly, i had the same thought and did nearly go with the NDM86. But my track record with Chinese guns isn't great and after getting the HD18, I am good with my decision. Totally get your view though
@@Militaryarmschannel I saw the NDM-86 on Gun Broker's this morning. During sane times no one would buy that at that price. In 2005 I could have bought one for $1500.00, the same as when they were new. The $1500.00 back in '91 was still 3 times what they cost in China at the time. The HD-18 list on Copper Custom for $7500 and would be more than I'm willing to spend anytime, for any firearm except the PSG-1 and the last one I saw for sale was back in 1987 at a gun show in Indianapolis. It was priced at $10,500 back then. The last NDM-86 before the Chinese Virus hit was right around $6K .
The whole point of these was to bring back SVD at a price point that got them into the younger generation or non elites hands. The thing should be priced similarly to a SCAR20, not in NDM/Tigr territory.
@@jamesray1439 a current production rifle, that hasn’t been imported in decades, should in fact be priced similarly to a current production rifle. These had an to-shore price of 4k each, a standard markup on guns is 10% if both trident and copper took a standard markup these would be right around the 5k mark where they should be priced. Instead of being smack dab between a Tigr and NDM in price range
Thanks, and like your videos on C&R guns. That was my gateway into the gun community too. If it were up to me, most of our videos would be on Mosins and Enfields all the time lol.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 Trident and Copper were the buyers from day one, not PRDUBI or any forum member. The one who people should be mad at is the guy who made a list of buyers without the consent or knowledge of the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper). This same person lied to the forum members about the price. He promised them they would be $3k to their hands and within 3 days of that post he was shopping them to importers for $4800 in Budapest. The same guy claimed he was collecting contact information, but he never did and never reached out once to the owners of the rifles (Trident/Copper), even to this day. FEG didn't need proof there was a market, they had already sold all 100 guns. Not PRDUBI nor a single forum member did anything to get the guns approved by BATF, not one of them. They also didn't front a single penny. It's also interesting to note the guns were already the property of Trident when PRDUBI decided he would try and sell them to other importers to see if he could get more money, while telling forum members the price being much lower. Another over looked fact is that Copper worked with a senior forum member (Flandre) who got contact info from people on the list in good faith and this senior forum member was banned for doing so. Everyone on the unsanctioned list had an opportunity to get a rifle and about 20 took them. AND, I don't make business decisions for Copper.
awesome, loved the brealdown as usual 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻! but my question mishco: wereyou able to purchase the FEG hs 18 even with those synth gouged prices in most cases,? or were you able to get a deal since you are a long timepart of the industry.
Hard to believe you paid 8 million for that rifle 🤣😂
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MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 look how unstable you are? Please take your medication
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 someone not involved in the process created a list. They had no authority, no knowledge of cost or importation process. They were completely independant of this import. Anyone working with this person should have known better.
@@vidd5 you obviously have no idea what youre talking about and it shows
If anything comes from this I hope FEG realizes because of the MAC fiasco just how popular these would be to the market here and decide to produce more... but other then that I hate even thinking about this rifle.
I hope so too. Its a nice gun
@@misha5670 Yes, more SVDs would be a good thing, controversy aside.
Yeah i would buy one of these in a second, and i dont mean that in the internet bluffing sense, i have cash set aside for it.
im just not going to buy it from copper. From what i understand Atlantic has offered to help with larger scale imports
I'd like the market flooded with them personally, I'm sure FEG would be happy with the profits they'd make but I'll never give a cent to copper or MAC now.
@@TruckingShooter Yeah, I would love to see them come over here in massive numbers cause honestly we need more foreign import rifles. The Obama era sanctions on Russia smashed Vepr and Saiga AK rifles. Leaving Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia (I'm probably forgetting a few others) the only foreign AK importers in the game. If we can start getting Hungarian rifles into the country again we would be in good shape as Hungary has several rifles other weapons I'd like to be able to own. Not to mention any and all new firearms we get imported is a massive middle finger to our corrupt Government, and we need more middle fingers pointed at them then ever before.
Man all these inflated prices - and I’m not referring just to firearms. Be smart about how much money you’re spend on stuff that is inflated - don’t buy rifles or pallets of wood or whatever it may be unless you crucially need it - if nothing is selling and moving than prices will come down. Hope everyone has a great day
Couldn't agree more
True, and it works ... to some degree.
We've got 5.45 Saigas dropping about 400€ here (Austria), 'cause they lay around for a year since they got legalized. SKS dropped about 100€.
You have to order 7.62x39 Saigas. Some dealers don't keep them readily in stock anymore, because people keep buying the cheaper Polish, Bulgarian or Chinese ones.
The prices arnt inflated. Your dollar bill just isnt worth what it once was
@@omardevonlittle3817 While that is true up to a point, it also hasn't dipped 50% in value over the last few years.
€uro is still strong, and I see it here, too. Prices of some goods have increased.
With guns in particular, it's always a thing. Dealers know that some pieces have a certain history and/or cult following, so they charge for it accordingly. Then there're the import bans/regulations in combination with a few rumors about this and that, and prices go up again.
@@ShootAUT ECB is "printing" virtual money just like Fed, isn't it?
If anyone should have one of these, it's you and robski. True Pilars of the milsurp/ AK community
Ohhhh if only you knew what I did.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 agreed. And I'm a nobody.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 Oh we know - you're crying under every video and every comment.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 care to elaborate for someone uninformed but curious?
@@hugh_mungus_what I was actually looking for info on rob ski/misha
Oooh, a FEG HD-18 video *gets popcorn ready
Oh you know it! hehe
You are amazing Misha!
...yes...you can shoot my SVD lol. Thank Tim though. He made sure i got one.
@@misha5670 congratulations that is one of them Holy grail guns only few of us gun people can say we have in are safe very cool! I would love to shoot one just once
I love how your first look is over an hour!
MAC got some serious shit for his video on this gun.
The close ups of this rifle look much better than I would have expected.
Who knows... With all the demand for SVDs, maybe even Palmetto will get in on the game.
That's interesting, man...
@Mike Hunt mine works like a singer sewing machine.
They said they're working on a psl/svd thing. I'm not holding my breath on it being legal when its ready to be released
@Mike Hunt yeah i figure.
@Jewtube Can't Stop Sambo Jones problem is small companies dont have the capitol to start up new projects or to start back from failures
Even with import ban, these types of guns should NOT be worth $3,000 $4,000 +
How much should a rifle that hasn’t been manufactured for decades cost?
@@jamesray1439 tigrs are still being manufactured
I agree wholeheartedly , Bummed as well lol i want one! But no way i can afford that hell if im gonna go 5k might as well go a lil more for transferable mac (giggity) or something right lol
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 lol so now there’s a cabal of gun insiders including Tim who planned this whole situation. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 👀😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂💀!! You kids..... you guys are to much. Why did the form list guys pool their money together and thwart these evil doers? Y’all allegedly had 3 years to gather your resources and make it happen. I guess Cheetos and porn hub were more important.
Awesome gun, I'm happy for you that you got one! Thanks so much for videos, it's great that you share your knowledge.
Thank you, to be honest I was nervous about the HD18. It was a lot of money and no one knew the quality level to expect from FEG. I took a deep breath & crossed my fingers. Now that i ahve it though, i am quite pleased and gaining respect for the rifle daily.
@@misha5670 excellent, I think it's a keeper, all the drama will undoubtedly make it iconic in time. And it looks really good.
@@wyatt79m Just grabbed an original FH/FSB for it tonight. That's my #1 complaint, the chinsy one it comes with. Next, going to look for a set of polymer furniture so its actually comfortable for me to shoulder. Oh well, a little project but those can be fun.
@@misha5670 hopefully you'll make another video when you get it done.
Imagine Arsenal coming out with a milled SVD to steal the show
You know it's overpriced when a B&T by comparison looks like it's priced like a Ruger.
Why i have this one goes way back to my wedding. Definitely a story to be told someday.
@@misha5670 Haha no way. You gotta tell that now, man
"Nice machining, if I didn't know any better, I'd say izhmash machining, but we know better right?" 🧐
Of course! lol
@@misha5670 thanks for the videos, I learn a lot every time and I appreciate what you do.
😂😂😂
@@misha5670 you need to get your Buddy to tell his PET to STFU. Happy you got one dude been a fan for years and an icon for disabled gun owners but please distance yourself from the SLIME that wanted to kill these from the beginning.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 ???????????
Very nice but I don't think it justifies such a high price tag. It's all hype.
Definitely, for me personally its something I've wanted here in the USA ever since I lived in Russia. So there was a bit of an emotional component that many others probably don't have. I will be reworking it to look like the one from there: short flash hider and black poly furniture.
I guess thats how mac got all the big youtubers on his side and squashed the controversy. Only poor yankee marshall talked about it
Real scummy move by MAC
THEY ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED. Its what tried warning the others about. But ya know what if they wanna make stupid atf bait videos let em.
Poor yankee marshall. Poor guy. What a poor boy.
@@LangstonDev Yep, gotta love a guy who spends all his days talking crap about other people and other situations he isn't involved in. Here we call such people 'drama queens'.
Looks like you got the Tim “reach around special” . Thanks for supporting the industry’s lowlifes.
So anyone who buys an HD18 is now evvvviiillle too? Does that include people on the origina list who CC reached out to and offered one?
Misha, so now that they have been exposed as crooked they can just back pedal & save some face by contacting SOME of the people on that list? Where you on that original list? Was a reasonable profit made on the sale, or quite a large profit? I’m sure you don’t care because you got one even if it came by ways of unethical business practice.
Misha, just a side note as well. I never called anyone evil. Just find it amazing how you played into their hand on this while simultaneously taking a dump on others if even only 100 by supporting this company & your want for something no matter if others are steamrolled to make it possible. I am also under the understanding that they are being sold for $7500 which would be around at least a $2000 mark up, please correct me if I am wrong, because this would amount to $200,000 profit on the sale of 100 imported rifles, sounds kinda steep right? I am more than willing to debate this with you more if you so choose.
@@roydriskill8342 I was offered one for $6,800 that Monday they came out. That was before all the internet stuff really got going. What would you have done? Called and canceled the order a week later? The list people were all offered one at $6,800. Is the price high? Yep sure is but for the past year, prices on every firearm have been high.
@@roydriskill8342 Honestly? yes i do think them trying to go back and contact the people on the list was a step in the right direction. Maybe they should have done it from the very beginning but its still better late than never at all. As for how much profit some company made? That's really not my business I don't ask a cafe what the meal i am eating cost them orhow much the ammo I'm shooting cost to make. Of course I would ahve preferred the original price of $5,000....who wouldn't? I weighed things over in my mind and with concerns over what our new gov't might do? I decided an expensive ?Dragunov was better than none at all. My reason for getting one was that i owned one in Russia back in 2008 and have always wanted a chance to replace it. The chance came along finally, and I took it.
Prices are going up because the value of the dollar is going down. That is because our politicians cannot spend fast enough. The hectic pace of the print and spend cartel is destroying the dollar's value.
This man speaks truth
I'm here for the mac and cheese meme.
Right now all I'm hearing from this is.....Lunch! lol
I look forward to getting one of these when they are more widely distributed. Seems im getting lucky, all the guns i wanted as a teenager in the 2010s are showing up again, got Chinese TT's without side safety's, The Beryl, these SVDs,
and i no longer have teenager poverty either! Seems things may be on the up and up!
TT with side safety is good idea tho. Heard tons of accidental discharge with tt in Canada (no side safety)
@@mrguiltyfool If your carrying the thing maybe.
I am but a humble collector however, so i cant say its an issue for me, the only time any TT of mine has a round chambered is down range at a shooting area miles away from people
@@therideneverends1697 fair enough
You ain’t getting one of these! Maybe you haven’t heard about all the hoopla.
I sincerely hope so. I have 1,000 come in and the price drops to at least $5,000. We'll see, things have been good lately, that's for sure.
I notice your finger position in the TH-cam screenshot...
Subliminal message ?
(Or not-so-subliminal?)
Overt 😂
If I ever got one which I hope they'll be bringing more eventually I'm definitely replacing the stock and handguard for the more modern svd stock set it way more comfortable for me.
I really, truely hope more come in. It would be great if as many people as possible can get & enjoy one. Lets hope together, and totally agree on the furniture. The stock is far too long for me.
The only way this new svd import will satisfy the American market is if they bring in 100 million of them, this is by far more popular than any AK, especially after it's been deprived for so long.
I would actually welcome the exposure of these on TH-cam gun channels to drum up more widespread interest so FEG will consider shipping these over on a more regular basis. Could help with the pricing problem by allowing them to profit from higher volume of sales at a lower price. Also to deal with more than one importer and distributor. 🙄
I wanted to do this video because I was seriously impressed with the quality of this rifle. I had no idea what to expect or not. In that department alone, it has exceded my wildest expectations.
Companies don't deal with more than one importer. All the hoopla about "Copper cornered the market" is beyond silly. 99% of the time there is one importer for a particular firearm. When you're talking about MAYBE 50 guns a month in continued production, there will never be more than one importer. The goal is to get these out to distribution and fund FEG's ability to tool up to make more and more and in the process get the price down. The trolls spreading lies about the whole ordeal will be the ones that get these shut off completely so thousands of wouldn't be owners get screwed. But trolls don't care who they hurt or what damage they cause. They're out for sh*ts and giggles. If you're interested in the truth behind this whole story, here it is.
If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel I’m flattered to get the attention of a celebrity. Yes I watch your channel and I understand how wholesale vs retail pricing works. Not trying to troll you, you essentially just said what I said in an essay format. It would be nice if they spun up regular production. I would be in on one if someday they got down to the $3000 neighborhood. Your LMT 37mm M203 launcher video got me looking for one of those to put on my A2 clone so it has the feel of the one I used to carry in the Army a while back, unfortunately it looks like Brownells pulled the plug on stocking another popular item (I.e. the BRN-10). 🤦♂️
I hope the market gets flooded with them.
Me too, prices come down & the US gets a pretty neat DMR out of Mother Russia. Win/win in my book.
@@misha5670 I couldn't agree more. Especially how 7.62x54mmR was so cheap for so long, it was literally $7.99 for a box of 20 in my area prior to the pandemic and panic buying. Made me wish I had a Mosin Nagant.
@@misha5670 Surely you mean Mother Hungary
Mee too
Not going to happen. This will be the only one imported, due to no more parts kits. All the youtubers know this.
Way too expensive, if FEG decided export more of these HD-18s the prices will come down hopefully?
I'd love that, and these days everything's way too pricy. The gun market has flipped.
If the trolls don't wreck the whole deal, yes. More are planned to come in and the revenue from the first 100 was to help fund FEG's ability to increase production for regular monthly shipments. With that comes a new price negotiation where Trident and Copper hope to get the price of full production rifles down in price even more.
Meanwhile, here's the truth of what actually happened.
If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel I’ll ignore all the high school drama 😂. I’m just a dude who wants an affordable SVD, is that too much to ask?
If I could only go back I would have bought that svd in the 1990's the reason I didn't was I thought it was to long and heavy but it is what it is
Not gonna lie, that looks like a seriously well-built gun.
Agreed, construction quality is higher than I expected....price was higher too but what ya' gonna do? I took a stiff drink and gave them my CC info. Having the gun in-hand now, it does sting a bit less.
Copper custom with the gunbroker gouge
if this is an over stamped Izhmash SVD, does that mean this is bypassing Russian import restrictions?
Why I'm sure I don't know what you mean! I can say the ATF was called in by the importer to confirm the original ruling, and again the HD18 passed inspection.
What do I think? I think I love it lol. Looks so much better with the proper muzzle device.
Респект и Уважуха Миша! Обзор на Ура как обычно 💪💪
"OverStamped"..
And how do we know that wasnt done in the US by elitist saboteurs. Its not thst hard.
Misha you're an absolute genius and I love listening to you. Your my go to guy for AK info. Keep up the great work!
Sincerely thank you. In these times, kind & encouraging words seem to be in short supply, esp online.
hell yeah new misha video
Question, was the firearm offered to you by Copper Customs/MAC.
Of course it was
Yep, was sitting on the crapper and got a phone call from Copper. Was told that Patreon supporters were being offered a shot at one.....thought about it for a minute and said 'sure' why not? So onto the Discover card it went....that was before all the drama kicked off too. What a ride it has been since then.
@@Matt-yv6yu Not MAC but Copper has all of them. So anyone that has one? It came from CC.
@@misha5670 Precisely, I don't sell anything. But hey, the internet loves its drama. I don't make the business decisions for Copper, I just make videos.
History lesson and coffee with Misha!
More like Vodka for me ;p
@@misha5670 I hear you comrade!
Is there any word if they’re gonna start regularly import this rifle?Thank you
Just made & about to publish an update video. I checked in with both parties on the HD18 to get a balanced update(i hope?)
Did tim end up selling them at a reasonable price or something? Cuz GB didn't work out?
I don't know about 'reasonable' but they retailed on the Copper Customs website for $7,500.00. Also for those on the original 'list', they were offered at a discount of $6,800.
@@misha5670 And everyone on the list had a chance to buy one thanks to a forum member who secretly contacted them through PM and was subsequently turned in by the AKForum Stasi. He was banned for trying to honor the unsanctioned list made by the bad actor PRDUBI. Here's the whole story.
If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel thanks for your side of the story and is much deeper than most say. I for one will not make jokes either way if you made it right. That said im sure you will not miss my business because your deceptive nature connected with pro-2a groups monetary support.
I got one for only $9,999,998!
The best part was that it didn't cost $99,999,999.
For what copper cab charges, I'd just buy a NDM86.
ATF when they saw those 2000 M76s at 35:30:
"Nice dogs you have here, would be a shame if something would happen to them..."
And you can all thank BFGmovies/Flandre maybe yall will start listening to us from theakforum. We banned him last week for trying to get unauthorized private info from users. Because that failed, MAC had to give all these to his youtube buddies, and do yall really think people like RobSki and Misha paid 7500?
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 You complain about being banned in comments after harassing and spamming, then brag about banning someone else from your forum...
@@LangstonDev I wasnt the one that banned. And Im not the one poking around to get peoples personal contact info to a company that throws around lawsuites.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 What's a lawsuite?
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 At least he tried to get the rifles to the list people instead of just crying on forums like a little bi...
And look, now you're even crying under every possible HD-18 video.
Does that optic have a hypocrisy compensator or does it simply allow the market to decide trajectory??
Nice middle finger thumbnail lol
I giggled when he picked up the manual and rotated it
Who me? hehee
Yugoslavia/Serbia switched to 7.62 R becouse they obtained a licence for the PKM and wanted their DMR to use the same calibre for logistical reasons
Hey brother, sorry to comment here about this but you had commented on another video that the Arsenal SAM 7's year of manufacture can be gleaned from the first 2 numbers of the serial number and I'm still unsure as to how to determine year of manufacture. The first 2 on my rifle is 53. Do you determine the year of manufacture in the same way as the Arsenal Makarov by adding those numbers to 1960?
Yes. 53 is 2013
@@TheWiz07 thanks!!!!
How does this compare to something like my Romanian 2018 PSL? Would it really be worth getting seeing how my PSL shoots better than MOA with 148 Grain Wolf?
Accuracy wise? no
Looking for overall shootability, a big part of which is accuracy for me. So I thank you for your candor!
Thanks brother! And if you are ever in New Mexico, shoot me a message!
@@michaelthebarbarian3380 I'd say trigger pull is the one spot where the SVD trumps the PSL. As far as accuracy, if you got a good PSL, well then....
Now why would you go get one those cursed rifles and piss off half of the 2A community? This review you should have kept to yourself..... unless it’s a middle finger.
Sorry but why should anyone have the right to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't purchase. Saying someone shouldn't own a gun sounds an awful lot like what the Gun Grabbers think.
@@misha5670 I know you have to be aware of the history of these rifles. And You know that we know the only way you were able to purchase this rifle is by your relationship with the “distributor”. I love your content. I will continue to watch all your videos. But this particular video just reeks of “look at what you all were supposed to get but sorry about your luck”, Misha.
@@aaron.from.winchester6744 Man, there's a lot of assuming there going on. I got a call that morning saying they were here and if i wanted one? I thought it over and said yes. This was not just before the internet stuff started but actually before I even watched the MAC video. Remember that I'm an FFL-Dealer. I get calls everyday asking if i am interested in purchasing firearms. Its just my line of work. So there was nothing special or unusual about it. Of course later on, things snowballed and then i was aware of the situation, but not at the time i placed my order. No where in this video do i talk about the situation or get into the drama. This video is about the gun itself; no more, no less.
@@aaron.from.winchester6744 I don't think you're aware of the actual history of these rifles.
If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
I wonder how this would fare against a PTR 91, FAL,AR10 , M1A and PSL?
Cold War standoff.
This is a DMR, if not a 100% true sniper rifle. So it should outshoot most of those, esp the FAL. I truely love the FN but it has never been known for amazing accuracy.
@@misha5670 I know it's a DMR.
To me sniper is an occupational job category. A skillset. Not a rifle or gear by itself.
Sharpshooter and DMR might be more of the same thing. At least historically.
Definitely not in the category of sniper. That's a whole array of different skills.
It's why I don't think a sniper rifle exists.
Because a sniper can use anything to it's advantage. Doesn't mean the tool is a sniper tool by itself.
They could use a scoped Marlin PSS papoose .22 and it be a "sniper rifle" or a 45-70 lever action.
The tool doesn't make the sniper itself. It's an extension of him.
Might be scoped, non scoped, semi auto or not. Big bore or small bore.
It's almost irrelevant what they use as a tool.
Been on the hard hunt to find an svd style rifle for the last month, I hope these become available because ndms are like hens teeth today
They wouldve been if not for a cabal of importers and guntubers trying to get them banned. How conveniant that a bunch of pre ban elites want limited imports........
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 i don't even want to get involved in what's going on i just want to buy one
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 You are a nut job jfc
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 You mean the actual people that contacted the ATF to get them banned right? Including your forum folks, because "if I can't have them, no one will"
PPU Serbia makes non-corrosive ammo for these now right? Also, nice to see Tim got you one.
Tim has been a true friend this year. He was there for me when my dad died and then offered me one of these.
@@misha5670Thanks for the info Misha!
@@misha5670 Ah, fuck man. I'm sorry for your loss.
@@misha5670 Sorry for your loss Misha.
@@misha5670 sorry for your loss misha ,it's very hard when a father passes
I want one so bad! Price tag repelling me pretty good tho lol supposs ill just get me a nice PSL and call it a day haha , thanks for sharing Misha!
Not crazy about the price either....but i figured the past year we've saved a good bit of money due to COVID, so wtf? just do it.
@@misha5670 little late to replying but yeah i feel you, Just did the same for a SA -M 5 , Sometimes you just gotta do it , You only live once! Much love and respect brother
It does NOT float my boat. For its price, I'll get a M14 semi-auto, or a decked out AR in 308, with plenty of money left to buy match grade ammo. Oh yeah, I'll have the 20-round magazines which is double the capacity of the Combloc 10-round magazine.
Edit to add the FN SCAR-17. I will get it before any Combloc 10-rounder.
Totally fair and rational take on things.
Where my poors at?
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum and claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms' efforts to get forum users to buy from him FAILed he is using other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
Meh, I could afford to buy 40 of these at $15,000 each without breaking a sweat but have zero interest in these commercial rods as it's nothing more than a semi-automatic rifle built for the civilian market. If it isn't legit Soviet or Chicom surplus I won't buy it. I bought 200 acres of land and built a 1000m range on it, that's how much I enjoy target shooting, and still wouldn't pay anywhere close to $5k for one of these FEG rifles. I could get a legit PEM or PU M91/30 for that.
Surplus Carcano gang.
Mischa won’t be using that scope anytime soon😹
Hey, I might!....could use it to swat a bug or something lol
If anyone deserves one it’s this man
Holy shit it's real.
Stepping away from the firearms part of the internet really helped bolster my patience.
when you mentioning tigers features you speaking about very first models. modern tigers have more variants to choose from (wooden/polymer furniture , folding/non folding stocks, adjustable gas blocks, diferent barrel lengths and calibers).
I am talking about the Tigers in the USA because those are the ones people here are familiar with.
i found your channel by chase
Mishaco
Have a new PSL video coming out shortly too.
@@misha5670 sweet off topic question what a good way to attach a bipod to psl i been trying to find a way but no luck any recommend ? ?
Closest I'll ever get is an m91 but im ok with that. Nice rifle.
I like the M91 but something about the PSL really talks to me even more.
@@misha5670 The PSL definitely has a unique aesthetic, also a very cool rifle.
If I sold my PSL, M91, and Vepr 54r, I could buy one HD-18 😂
@@BlakeBake hey now you just need an m76 and you'll have the whole set! Lol
If you don't want it you have the option of email to me l will give it good home. Feed it and clean it regularly.
be nice to have a DMR comparison when you get around to it. maybe jay could do some accuracy comparison. great vids as usual. thanks.
I don't find any of them to be particularly accurate with standard load commercial ammo... The PSL/Vepr/M91 that is, but I've been given to understand the SVD is the same way, you need 7N1 ammo (or ammo loaded very similarly) to tighten up the groups. It's why I got out of semi-auto 54r completely, my .308s shoot much tighter groups with equivalently priced (during non-panic times) ammo.
Would love to see a
Psl, vepr, Zas m91, HD-18
Vid.
Ultimate 54r Vid!!
Don't have the VEPR in X54R but the rest could do for sure.
Cobbler Custom (misspelled on purpose) is dead to me. I will never buy a product associated with them. I hope another group can entice FEG to produce more.
@Mishaco, How much you paid for that from Tim military channel?
Dirty deeds, done with sheep, dirty deeds, done real cheap!
@@misha5670 Dander sheep???
Them, Atlantic,RobSki,Flandre are all ome big cabal that are the same people that tried pressuring the ATF to never imports these. How conveniant that the same bunch of people are now claiming these are contraband with no verification at all from the actual mfr FEG. They wanna kill FEG so their iNveSTmUnts are protected.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@hugh_mungus_what it would really help if these so called men wouldnt keep deleting my comments. Like 5 channels have completely shadow banned me. They dont want the ak community to wake up
Wish it had engravings similar to the other SVDs
Cool Looking Rifle, not my bag, but cool. Wonder why they chose white line spacers for the butt plate and the grip cap? Good to know it can take regular SVD furniture.
Misha is flipping u guys off
Jay is the resident channel thumbnail picker....and he has my full trust and confidence lol.
Anyone noticed his signature grip on handle at the beginning of the video?
Epic! 👍
It’s too bad, MAC turned out to be the price gouger he himself warned about lol
I unsubscribed from him.
@@adamarens3520 I don’t blame you at all. His excuse for the whole thing was “what list?” Even though the list of usernames was posted several times lol
@@winstonwright8374 Right, but user names for what? Prdubi has some interesting posts recently.
@@misha5670 well, from my understanding the list was of people that where lining up to buy it, from the manufacturer, to import to America. In my opinion, Mac wanted to cash in, and just didn’t even attempt to contact anyone that was originally wanting to buy one. I just feel like it’s pretty shitty to do, when the reason they got imported was because of those people on that list hyping up the import lol
Always saw him as a bit of a douche and it doesent help that he goes full on political sometimes
And just like that, Hungaria took over the world.
If they can eventually be built fast enough and are able to be imported that would be awesome and hopefully at a decent price but I won't count on it
Realistically? I don't think the price could drop too much below $6,000. FEG was paid $4,800 per rifle this time. Once someone gets a price for something, its pretty difficult to get them to accept much less the next time.
@@misha5670 well maybe I can just dream of having one lmao
What is strange is the safety sear holes are welded up, didn’t atf decide the sear on the svd was ok after the tigers were done being imported?
Yep, because the FCG pack is separate from the actual receiver, the holes are fine. I guess someone was playing things extra-safe.
I really like this in depth detail of the entire gun misha gives. Good review.
Thank you, while when i bought it I was kind of so-so on it...the price stung a lot, but after getting it and really handling it for several days? Its quickly growing on me. Sometimes its like that for me with a gun, takes a bit of time.
@@misha5670 for sure man. ya while watching your vid I had to take out my vepr 7.62x54r and give the gun a good clean. Even inspired me to look at additional parts for it like a scope mount for future hunting endeavors that I will pursue. Guns are like functional art, even old milsurp weapons if they could tell the stories they'd paint an amazing historic picture that goes unseen. Thanks for all that you and your brother do.
I'll buy that piece of garbage from you Misha....
I would be happy to give it to you, but haven't you heard? These are tainted or cursed or something. I couldn't pass such a thing onto you. That just wouldn't be right. So alas, it looks like I am stuck with it.
Too bad whoever brought these in wasn't as professional as arms of america.
They didnt want any part of importing them.
Absolutely, AoA and JDI are both standup companies and do things by the book.
@@misha5670 Trident does just as much in terms of imports and they most certainly do it by the book. What AoA and JDI didn't have to contend with is a guy going by the user name of PRDUBI spreading false information, laying claim to guns that weren't his, lying about prices, lying about just about everything... which forum members are starting to finally see. Now that he's on the hot seat for his actions, he's gone silent and refuses to answer questions. If a forum member asks questions about his shady actions, they get banned. The biggest mistake was not taking the advice from a mutual friend and importer, and walking away because this PRDUBI guy was trouble from day one (saying the guns would sell for $3k in the US while shopping them for $4800 in Budapest - to which PRDUBI admitted but no one cares).
Being that “the market decided price”, Did you pay 10 mil for this? Asking for a friend of a friend on a list of usernames.
Nah, traded an old MiG29A for it
@@misha5670 Aw man, you got over on that poor bastard! What a steal. LuL
@@beelow84 Sssshhhh quiet man. They haven't yet figured out the MiG is a clunker from the old DDR. I put sawdust in the engines so it would test-run once for them. Keep it on the d/l though
I really want an S.V.D type rifle......the design is just more accurate than the "stretched out Akm" designed D.M.R's like the P.S.L and Zastava. I also love my pre-ban Hungarian A.K.M's. I thought one day I might get lucky and find a Norinco Ndm-86 at a gun show but I am just happy that any S.V.D variant is coming in. I DO NOT CARE at all about all the bitching and bad blood about it on the internet. Sorry to anyone who feels like they were slighted. Whatever "list" was ignored making MAC the enemy of the free world somehow, I just don't care. If you want something fight for it....we should just be happy they came in at all. What sucks is with all this controversy they may not again which makes me furious. All the hate has left a bad taste. I myself am happy for EVERYONE that has one. Even though I'm not rich, even if just 100 came in and they are 10,000 dollars that means if I win the lottery now my odds are better of finding one!!! I hope and pray they become more common so they could be less than 2,500 at least. (Talking to you P.S.A) Thank you Misha for the video. You are a positive voice in a sea of negativity- and that is always refreshing.
If it weren't for the actions of a user on the AKForum (PRDUBI), none of this drama would be happening. The AKForum, nor any member of the forum or PRDUBI had any right to someone else's property, no matter what PRDUBI told them. The AKForum didn't make the import happen, before there was a list there was a PO making the 100 rifles sold to Trident thus their property. That, and the "list" was created by PRDUBI without the consent or knowledge of Trident or Copper, the owners of the guns from day one. PRDUBI claimed he was going to facilitate the sales from Trident to the new owners hands, but somehow he left Trident out of this discussion and Copper, who was going to do the retail from day one. PRDUBI was telling forum members the guns would never sell for more than $3k-$4k in the US unless at auction while within days of making that false statement was shopping the guns to importers for $4800 in Budapest (that means you can tack on another $1500+ getting them here and on the market through a licensed dealer). What the AKForum won't tell you is that PRDUBI has been stringing their members along for almost 2 years. He purposely never had any contact with the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper), but pretended he was the go to guy for getting them in people's hands (all false). To this day he's made zero contact with Trident or Copper. However, what Copper doesn't get credit for is reaching out to a AKForum senior member involved in this shit show since day one who agreed to get real contact info for people on this unsanctioned list as a good faith gesture. The forum member said he made contact with most everyone, if not everyone, on the list and Copper sold roughly 20 rifles to those who wanted them. Flandre, the member I'm speaking of, was subsequently banned from the AKForum for doing what PRDUBI refused to do. Such a great bunch of guys over there at the AKForum. Go see how many questions PRDUBI is answering about his misdeeds... answer: none. Anyone daring to question PRDUBI and his actions is banned like Flandre and Mercs were.
@@Militaryarmschannel Thank's for commenting, deep down I knew it was something like this. I never got involved in any of the arguments on the web or at gun shops lately. A wise man once told me--once you form an opinion on something you might HEAR others but you stop listening. I hate when the "gun community" eats it's own and rages on like they have about this mess. It really makes me sad because we have WAY to many enemies to be turning on each other on the drop of a dime. I seriously fear for the next generation. Thank's for commenting Sir, and for all the content.
@@seanbrando_7456 I spent over 2 hours talking with Flandre on Monday. He said that Prdubi is now telling everyone asking about one to talk with him (Flandre), which sounds to me like Prdubi is trying to get out of this entirely. Also, i asked Flandre if everyone on the list that could be contacted had been? And he said straight-out "yes". He followed up by saying roughly 20 took the offer. So this matches up perfectly with what both David and Tim are saying.
@@seanbrando_7456 You're welcome and thank you for being objective. Unfortunately, once the internet mob starts, far too many refuse to listen to the truth and find more fun in trying to destroy others for what amounts to sh*ts and giggles. There isn't one angry person pounding their keyboards with a beat red face and bloodshot eyes over this issue. No, 99.99999% of the commenters are gleefully parroting false information because they thoroughly enjoy the witch hunt and trying to destroy others. These same people who claim to be bastions of the 2A and claim they hate the ATF but are the same people calling the ATF trying to convince them these are contraband rifles, when they aren't. What this unfortunately incident has taught me is that we don't have a "2A community" online, we have nothing of the sort.
Someone is feverishly deleting comments lol, guess that rifle wasn't all that free.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum and claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms' efforts to get forum users to buy from him FAILed he is using other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
Tell me about it like 5 chanels have shadow banned me including Canuck Gun Nut because they dont want people to here a contrary viewpoint
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 Maybe you wouldn't get banned if you didn't copy paste the same comment 50 times in a video.
Since I've been sleeping til now, not I. Maybe one of the cats or maybe people are posting comments that youtube doesn't like...dunno.
@@hugh_mungus_what And you are basing this on...what? The simple fact is i bought this rifle Monday, March 15. That was before everything went to hell online about these. Rob Sky beat me to the punch, having bought one an hour before....Know what we originally paid? $8,000. Tim called me back later saying he had talked with the owner of CC (David Blythe) and got a better price for his Patreons. This is where the $6,800 came from.
Message for Jay ,have you seen the 2020 movie "AK-47 Kalashnikov ? I ordered a copy from Critics Choice video .I don't know if it's accurate but with so few gun movies I doubt I will be disappointed .I'll let you know when I get it .
Putin's propaganda.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 as if american movies was totally true stories. huge amount of ridiculous bullshit as well. you just see piece of dust in others eye but can’t feel rock in your own one. at this point most people just prefer to believe in what they want to believe and that’s pretty much it.
@@randomperson-fr8ig All movies are ridiculous BS, and American movies have become mostly propaganda recently too, only not for the government so much as for the Cult.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 sometimes it’s just way too obvious and cringe as hell. the main point to not took it serious and look at them only as entertaining stuff but not more.
I have not. Let me know how it is! If it's good I'll watch it.
Hadn’t heard of any of the drama surrounding this rifle and it’s not my thing so I have no horse in this race. It does seem counterproductive for someone with over a million TH-cam subs and a retail business to risk his good will on a very limited chance to make a short term profit. I could see it if he was signing a long term exclusive deal but this seems like a limited run one off. Bad business decision if that’s what happened. Sounds like Donald J and the casino business. Either way I enjoy Mishaco’s reviews and I’ll stay subbed to this channel for sure.
Thank you, with this video, i wanted to focus on the firearm itself. Its kind of gotten lost in all the drama-noise. I will say only this, Tim H. is only a minority share holder in Copper Customs. I think he has 40% of the stock? The Majority owner & controller is Mr. Davide Blythe and while i don't know him myself, I have had people say nice things to me about him *shrug*
@@misha5670 like I say I have no horse in this race. I enjoy the depth of the information you provide on your channel.I think those SVD type rifles have kind of an old school elegance to their look. I’m a sucker for wood furniture on FALs, Galils and the like.
My part in this all begins and ends with buying one. And i did that because I've wanted a 24" barreled Dragunov for a long time. Tigers are great and all, but the 20" barrel just kind of bugged me personally. So here we are. I gambled it wouldn't be a pile of crap, and I hope I rolled some good numbers? Time will tell but first impressions are positive.
Trident and Copper were the buyers from day one, not PRDUBI or any forum member. The one who people should be mad at is the guy who made a list of buyers without the consent or knowledge of the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper). This same person lied to the forum members about the price. He promised them they would be $3k to their hands and within 3 days of that post he was shopping them to importers for $4800 in Budapest. The same guy claimed he was collecting contact information, but he never did and never reached out once to the owners of the rifles (Trident/Copper), even to this day. FEG didn't need proof there was a market, they had already sold all 100 guns. Not PRDUBI nor a single forum member did anything to get the guns approved by BATF, not one of them. They also didn't front a single penny. It's also interesting to note the guns were already the property of Trident when PRDUBI decided he would try and sell them to other importers to see if he could get more money, while telling forum members the price being much lower. Another over looked fact is that Copper worked with a senior forum member (Flandre) who got contact info from people on the list in good faith and this senior forum member was banned for doing so. Everyone on the unsanctioned list had an opportunity to get a rifle and about 20 took them. AND, I don't make business decisions for Copper.
The QR code on the receiver is just plain ugly
Really? I didn't see a thing ;p
Flandre of bfgmovies compared his to his Russian TIGR and the FEG is spot on minus a few minor details. He did say FEG only had 100 parts kits on hand to build rifles.
You mean 100 sanitized Kalashnikov concern rifles.
@@thomkatt Stop it. Just stop. you know who killed enough dogs already.
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 did you see the list? It was literally a bunch of screen names of people who said they would be interested in them..half of them probably had 0 intention of buying them when this shipment came in..what Tim did was pretty shitty though but still the whole list was a joke and where is this mysterious f.e.g employee now
@@christopherlambert7814 yeah theres this thing called privacy. The importer refused Feg's assistance with the list then MAC winds up with all 100? Yeah nothing shady here. Now hes taking advantage of Mishaco's friendship. They are cowards. We only asked them to apologize publicly and clearly but they kept hiding behind surrogates, then some listers coulve forgiven but no his cronies and patreon simps have them all and are trying to declare them contraband so nor more can be imported.
so to this day we are still F'd by what CC did with their jokes ?
Did you find that on gunbroker?
@@hugh_mungus_what Actually, i agreed to buy this before the whole internet thing got to going. I could have canceled after all the shit started hitting the fan, but why? Its more fun to see people like you get their panties in a wodd. Especially since you are talking about things you don't know much of anything about, but please carry on.
@@hugh_mungus_what How do you know when I did or didn't do anything? You are assuming 99% of everything when making your story up. Sorry you are part of TYM's liberal crowd. When's the next ANTIFIA meetup?
Is it okay to not be very interested in it?
I sure hope so....or rather not be interested in some guns. I know a ton of people love the crap out of Glocks and i see that makes them really happy. Good for them, but personally most Glocks bore the crap out of me lol. So if you feel like that about this Dragunov? Totally makes sense to me. For me, its something I'ved wanted here in the USA since my days in Russia.
Nice rifle
Cost and everything else aside? Yes it is and i think i am going to enjoy customizing it and setting it up to work best for me. The trigger really impresses me. Its nicer than most Dragunovs that I've fingered in the past.
I was today days old when i realized i need a DMR
@vettelover2009 not interested in anything PSA makes, would trade a dozen for one FEG, thats cool tho.
@vettelover2009 I have a PSA AR, its great. Had a GF3 AK I sold because it was trash hah I watched Mishas vid on their 103 same issues mine had. for the 800-100 their AKS cost your infintely better off with a Wasr or better yet a Zastava m70
I would spend that type of money for an NDM-86 before I'd buy the HD-18. I mean they are the same price if you can find one.
Honestly, i had the same thought and did nearly go with the NDM86. But my track record with Chinese guns isn't great and after getting the HD18, I am good with my decision. Totally get your view though
I haven't seen a NDM86 sell for $6800 in a while. They're all 30 years old and I have one. The HD18 is superior. NDM86's fetch $8k these days, used.
@@Militaryarmschannel I saw the NDM-86 on Gun Broker's this morning. During sane times no one would buy that at that price. In 2005 I could have bought one for $1500.00, the same as when they were new. The $1500.00 back in '91 was still 3 times what they cost in China at the time. The HD-18 list on Copper Custom for $7500 and would be more than I'm willing to spend anytime, for any firearm except the PSG-1 and the last one I saw for sale was back in 1987 at a gun show in Indianapolis. It was priced at $10,500 back then. The last NDM-86 before the Chinese Virus hit was right around $6K .
DON'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH, NO ONE EXPECTED THE PRICE TO BE $2500! UNDER 5K, YES
The whole point of these was to bring back SVD at a price point that got them into the younger generation or non elites hands.
The thing should be priced similarly to a SCAR20, not in NDM/Tigr territory.
@@floivanus a rifle that hasn’t been manufactured in decades, is supposed to be priced similarly to a current production rifle?
@@jamesray1439 a current production rifle, that hasn’t been imported in decades, should in fact be priced similarly to a current production rifle.
These had an to-shore price of 4k each, a standard markup on guns is 10% if both trident and copper took a standard markup these would be right around the 5k mark where they should be priced. Instead of being smack dab between a Tigr and NDM in price range
@@floivanus Who are all of these elites I keep hearing about? Sounds to me like the left arm of the proletariat should be cheap as free, eh, comrade?
@@floivanus Sorry but incorrect data. FEG charged $4,800 per rifle.
I thought when they went with the 1/9.4 twist barrel was more accurate?
No, that was to use a wider range of bullets. With 7n1 ammo, the 1/12.6 twist was pretty dang accurate for what it was.
Oddly, now a couple of people are reporting 1/12.6 twist barrels on these. I guess there are still surprises to be had.
Please tell me that QR code is just a sticker...
no, it's either lasered or screened onto the receiver.
@@brandonhart2308
Oof.
Nice
awesome! cool shirt btw
Thanks, and like your videos on C&R guns. That was my gateway into the gun community too. If it were up to me, most of our videos would be on Mosins and Enfields all the time lol.
The wood is nice!
Cool as fuck
Tim cries out as he strikes you
Why don’t you have that same energy IRL?
MAC and the entire American gun industry FAILED at preventing these imports and then swooped and bought off the importer so a forum buyers list got fd out of them. Tim went on to slander the Feg employee and forum amd claimed all credit for himself and TRIED selling them on gunbroker. Now because CopperCustoms efforts to get forum users to buy from him he is usimg other youtubers to fight his PR battle for him. Its all one big cabal and THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THE CONTRARY.
@@itsnodawayitustabe5654 Trident and Copper were the buyers from day one, not PRDUBI or any forum member. The one who people should be mad at is the guy who made a list of buyers without the consent or knowledge of the actual owners of the guns (Trident/Copper). This same person lied to the forum members about the price. He promised them they would be $3k to their hands and within 3 days of that post he was shopping them to importers for $4800 in Budapest. The same guy claimed he was collecting contact information, but he never did and never reached out once to the owners of the rifles (Trident/Copper), even to this day. FEG didn't need proof there was a market, they had already sold all 100 guns. Not PRDUBI nor a single forum member did anything to get the guns approved by BATF, not one of them. They also didn't front a single penny. It's also interesting to note the guns were already the property of Trident when PRDUBI decided he would try and sell them to other importers to see if he could get more money, while telling forum members the price being much lower. Another over looked fact is that Copper worked with a senior forum member (Flandre) who got contact info from people on the list in good faith and this senior forum member was banned for doing so. Everyone on the unsanctioned list had an opportunity to get a rifle and about 20 took them. AND, I don't make business decisions for Copper.
awesome, loved the brealdown as usual 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻! but my question mishco: wereyou able to purchase the FEG hs 18 even with those synth gouged prices in most cases,? or were you able to get a deal since you are a long timepart of the industry.
No one that has one now bought it on Gunbroker. All 50 or so owners bought theirs direct from Copper Customs.
I would say keep it for a few years at least, you might see a 20+% return on your investment.