The amount of difficulty keeping track of all the plans everyone had is fucking hilarious when u say it outloud. Pains obito madara zetsu kaguya so many plans jesus
Deadass bro, there was like a million double whammies going on in the akatsuki's true goal. You had everyone believing pain was the leader, but it was actually obito who was the shadow leader, but then it was actually madara who was the shadow shadow leader, but then it was actually zetsu who was the shadow shadow shadow leader...
@@primeoctober i dont know, but theAkatsuki sounds like a real moderd company, that every manager doesnt know the goals of the organization but they have to meet their quota, and CEO will say at the end that everything was according to plan
I just head canon it as Obito’s ( cough or Zetsu’s) own disinformation tactics within the organization. Each members are told the “true” motive of the organization and everyone lower rank than them are lied to. It would make sense since mind reading, soul possession, mind possession, reanimation, soul extraction, etc are available to the major villages. As such torture resistance or lying would never work if an interrogation squad gets to them. So it’s better none of them know the true purpose in the first place.
that not bad head canon tbh it makes sense, tho I do remember Gaara saying that capturing an Akatsuki member is "useless" because they never talk, but I guess it wouldn't even matter if they talked cuz they don't know the truth anyways 😂
There were tiers in Akatsuki. Different tiers knew the different versions of the plan. Only Zetsu knew the entire truth. There was no need to explain infinite tsukuyomi to Kakauzu or Hidan or Deidara, so Pain gave them the first verion. He himself knew that the nine beasts can be turned into a wepon, he was a device for resurrecting Madara, he didnt need to know more.... Obito and Madara were just the means to get to the infinite tsukuyomi, they didnt need to know what was the real use of it....
@@JuubiTazPain : im using war as a buisness to get elected so i can end war as a buisness IN MY NEW SHINOBI WORLD PEOPLE WILL ..... Retcon Pain : BIG BOOM!
my understanding before the video is that every akastuki members was told whatever they needed to be told to join or was recruited due to their skills by stronger people who listened to Pain Kisame was told a world without lies would exist and taken in by Obito seeing him without a really need for anything else but to follow Obito Pain basically told the whole group they were reshaping the shinobi world Kakazu probably just wanted to be a daimyo or the equivent in the "New World" was getting paid Hidan didn't care along as he could spread the word of Jashin and of the 10 Gods of the world would do that not to mention Kakazu, Itachi, and KONAN jumped him Itachi was recruited by Obito Deidara just wanted to explode stuff and was already a mercanry and it seems the Akastuki were being paid something of their missions Sasori was forced by Konan and Orochimaru was by Pain
It's pretty clear Akasuki weren't planned really until after Chunin Exams and Konha Crush when we first see Itachi and Kisame,if they were planned back then then Orochimaru could of went after both Sasuke and Naruto with the curse mark to prevent the akasuki from capturing naruto and he could use naruto against them( with naruto probably resisting the curse mark control due to the Nine tails chakra and the mark would of been removed),Orochimaru's plans in Chunin exams would make way more sense if we had known both Akasuki and Danzo( as danzo was apparently involved in the konoha crush with the sand/orochimaru to get rid of Hiruzen) but neither of those elements were there
I'm pretty sure Orochimaru says something about killing Naruto to interfere with the Akatsuki's plans in the search for Tsunade arc. Also Itachi was mentioned pretty early on, so the akatsuki may have been thought of pretty early on
@@JuubiTaz I don't think it was mentioned that early of Itachi joining an organization,seemed more implied he just went into hiding after leaving the village but I could be wrong.
@@JuubiTazThis was after the Akatsuki was introduced and he is more ordered about Naruto’s potential and what would happen if he is found by the akatsuki.
Id say each one just gets their pwn ideal version. Hidan and kakuzu like killing and money so are told to do mercenary and kill. Pain thinks of violence to unify victims. And irretrievable loss with tobi is told its a dream with no loss. Rather than, "we shall kill everyone to feed them to a tree so an alien god can rule the *galaxy*?"
yeah its kinda crazy when you think about it, everyones technically in the Akatsuki for their own goals (with some subtle manipulation ofc), Zetsu catered it appropriately to each person. & ofc Itachi was a spy
I don’t know about you guys , but at this point NARUTO is timeless I’m sure that our kids would watch this anime even me growing up hating anime early on , had my first blunt years ago saw gaara fighting kimmimaro and got hooked , it’s crazy to see how complex this is Someday I’ll make an anime
interesting take, i do think this is one of the most natural evolutions that naruto has in terms of retcons or changes, the akatsuki having different plans does go in hand with how the series portrays the antagonists: pain controlling the akatsuki, but in reality it was obito, but in reality it was madara, etc, etc. though the part when pain has a one to one talk with naruto to me reveals that maybe nagato wasn't 100% sold on obito's plan so in a twisted manner that would fit the story, both of them were planning to betray each other for the tailed beasts.
I still dont understand dumb Tobi. He comes in acting goofy most of the time, then ends up being the most tragic man on a mission by the end. What the hell was the dicking around part?
Is it possible madara imprinted thoughts in his rinnegan that influenced pain as he acheived goals. I mean we know itagi was able to do similar things with the sharingan.
I think it’s fairly obvious that Obito gave Nagato a separate reason to form the Akatsuki than the reason he (Obito) had. (resurrection of the Juubi and Madara).
obito wasnt a planned akatsuki member originally he was just supposed to be the character to enhance kakashi's already amazing character. but fans were just foaming at the mouth with the theory that somehow this mysterious "madara/tobi" was obito, when in truth kishimoto wanted it to be the one and only madara an he kept this in despite of the fact he caved to fans to make tobi into obito, Madara Uchiha was always meant to be the mastermind behind the akatsuki but kishimoto had to make concession and amend his original idea and thats why this weird multi-looped plan thing came to be. but i can see it clearly that as far as akatsuki is concerned the only people who mattered were Nagato and Zetsu everyone else was just a chess piece to be disposed of once they outlived their use to Madara's grand scheme which in actuality was Kuro's(kaguya's will) scheme to resurrect the long sealed away kaguya, rabbit goddess of the moon,
@@paliboy93 its in the manga volumes kishimoto states he widely known to read fanmail sent to his studio. an as i said fans were so avidly craving obito to be the secret of "tobi" but as its revealed to us in that very same story arc where he is confirmed to have a sharingan by kakashi that Tobi was supposed to be "Madara Uchiha" and even before that kishimoto wrote jiraiya saying that the real leaqder of the akatsuki is probably none other than "madara uchiha" to which his summoned toad laughed about. an i don't hate obito as a character but him being thrown in didn't make any logical sense when in the source material he was said to be dead an we see this happen he gets crushed under the weight of a rock then buried into the ground by the hidden stone shinobi. for all intensive purposes its very clear kishimoto wanted Madara to be the big bad an he still kept that idea in even after he caved to his fans to bring obito back to life etc.
this doesn't feel like "retcon". this feels like the writer either not remembering what he originally wrote, or changing his mind mid way through. i think the latter is more likely.
There is no retcons, just lower ranked members were told different stories and the “heads” of Akatsuki all had their own different plans. Lower ranks members like Hidan and Deidara were told the bullshit plans. Pain was told a different plan as well by Tobi and Zetsu but he also had his own plans and presumably would’ve betrayed and attempted to kill Tobi once he had all the Tailed Beasts in his possession. Tobi and Madara had their own plans but even then they didn’t trust each other which is why Madara did sh** like putting a seal on Obito’s heart. Finally Zetsu knew the whole truth and had his own plan which was resurrect Kaguya. So it wasn’t really retcons, just a bunch of lies from murderous psychopaths who all didn’t trust and all planned to betray each other.
The real problem with the series is that the Rinnigan can basically date you with chakra….so then why did Madeira give up his eyes in the first place_-
@@freemygrandma956 I dont think the rinnegan can "de age" the user, I get the confusion tho. With Nagato, I believe that he absorbed chakra and that's why he started to look healthier (less skinny & got his red hair back). I dont think he got younger when he absorbed Bee's Chakra
@@JuubiTaz that makes since, but wouldn’t Madara be able to do the same thing or switch bodies? Or is that not how Zetsu would work? Idk I think it’s weird he waited so long to be resurrected imo
Honestly imo why Part 3 (save for Five Kage Summit) is the weakest part in the whole series. There is so much in Part 3 that just messes with everything the series had up until that point. Everything after the end of the Summit, like War Prep to the end, is such garish slop.
I think it could've been done better for sure, but it still has some of my best moments of Naruto tbh (Kakashi vs Obito, HashiramaxMadara childhood etc)
It is not a retcon. The higher up the hierarchy the closer you get to the real plan. Only zetsu knew the true end goal. Most of the akastuki probably would not have followed if they knew. These are plot twist and a lot of them. Not retcons.
learning new information as the story progresses is not retconning. they want naruto, why? 9 tails. ok, they want gaara, why? they want 1 tails. why are they doing this, they want to get all tailed beasts. why? pain says for peace. why? obito recruited him. why? madara put his rinnegan in nagato. why? he wants to come back to life. why? peace. of course pain will say peace cuz that's what he wants and does not know he is being controlled by obito like obito did not know he was being controlled by madara like madara did not know he was being controlled by black zetsu cuz black zetsu just wanted kaguya- his mommy.
Madara lied to Pain, and to everyone else exept Zetsu. Remember when Minato faced Obito and asked him why he wanted the release of the fox demon? Obito answered something like- it is for peace or for war or for whatever, I don't actualy care... So Obito was not below lieing and manipulating everyone , giving each the story he wanted to hear.
The amount of difficulty keeping track of all the plans everyone had is fucking hilarious when u say it outloud. Pains obito madara zetsu kaguya so many plans jesus
Deadass bro, there was like a million double whammies going on in the akatsuki's true goal. You had everyone believing pain was the leader, but it was actually obito who was the shadow leader, but then it was actually madara who was the shadow shadow leader, but then it was actually zetsu who was the shadow shadow shadow leader...
@@primeoctober i dont know, but theAkatsuki sounds like a real moderd company, that every manager doesnt know the goals of the organization but they have to meet their quota, and CEO will say at the end that everything was according to plan
I just head canon it as Obito’s ( cough or Zetsu’s) own disinformation tactics within the organization. Each members are told the “true” motive of the organization and everyone lower rank than them are lied to. It would make sense since mind reading, soul possession, mind possession, reanimation, soul extraction, etc are available to the major villages. As such torture resistance or lying would never work if an interrogation squad gets to them. So it’s better none of them know the true purpose in the first place.
that not bad head canon tbh it makes sense, tho I do remember Gaara saying that capturing an Akatsuki member is "useless" because they never talk, but I guess it wouldn't even matter if they talked cuz they don't know the truth anyways 😂
@@JuubiTaztheir minds would simply be protected from forceful extraction by forbidden jutsu
There were tiers in Akatsuki. Different tiers knew the different versions of the plan. Only Zetsu knew the entire truth. There was no need to explain infinite tsukuyomi to Kakauzu or Hidan or Deidara, so Pain gave them the first verion. He himself knew that the nine beasts can be turned into a wepon, he was a device for resurrecting Madara, he didnt need to know more.... Obito and Madara were just the means to get to the infinite tsukuyomi, they didnt need to know what was the real use of it....
but at the end of it all, everyone was a pawn 😢 its all sounds so surreal
@@JuubiTazPain : im using war as a buisness to get elected so i can end war as a buisness IN MY NEW SHINOBI WORLD PEOPLE WILL .....
Retcon Pain : BIG BOOM!
The naruto fandom struggles a lot understanding basic shit in work already full of plot holes and retcons
@@icecrown7324 lmao, straight up
@@gamongamesfor example: Minato being able to be reanimated.
Interesting discussion no one that I know of has brought up. Great video, this channel has potential.
This might just be my favorite Naruto channel...
its comments like this that make my day :)
my understanding before the video is that every akastuki members was told whatever they needed to be told to join or was recruited due to their skills by stronger people who listened to Pain
Kisame was told a world without lies would exist and taken in by Obito seeing him without a really need for anything else but to follow Obito
Pain basically told the whole group they were reshaping the shinobi world
Kakazu probably just wanted to be a daimyo or the equivent in the "New World" was getting paid
Hidan didn't care along as he could spread the word of Jashin and of the 10 Gods of the world would do that not to mention Kakazu, Itachi, and KONAN jumped him
Itachi was recruited by Obito
Deidara just wanted to explode stuff and was already a mercanry and it seems the Akastuki were being paid something of their missions
Sasori was forced by Konan and Orochimaru was by Pain
It's pretty clear Akasuki weren't planned really until after Chunin Exams and Konha Crush when we first see Itachi and Kisame,if they were planned back then then Orochimaru could of went after both Sasuke and Naruto with the curse mark to prevent the akasuki from capturing naruto and he could use naruto against them( with naruto probably resisting the curse mark control due to the Nine tails chakra and the mark would of been removed),Orochimaru's plans in Chunin exams would make way more sense if we had known both Akasuki and Danzo( as danzo was apparently involved in the konoha crush with the sand/orochimaru to get rid of Hiruzen) but neither of those elements were there
I'm pretty sure Orochimaru says something about killing Naruto to interfere with the Akatsuki's plans in the search for Tsunade arc. Also Itachi was mentioned pretty early on, so the akatsuki may have been thought of pretty early on
@@JuubiTaz I don't think it was mentioned that early of Itachi joining an organization,seemed more implied he just went into hiding after leaving the village but I could be wrong.
I think Obito was always planned to be more important. Kakashi has this mysterious Sharingan and we are teased about him quite a bit. Also Itachi.
@@JuubiTazThis was after the Akatsuki was introduced and he is more ordered about Naruto’s potential and what would happen if he is found by the akatsuki.
Id say each one just gets their pwn ideal version. Hidan and kakuzu like killing and money so are told to do mercenary and kill. Pain thinks of violence to unify victims. And irretrievable loss with tobi is told its a dream with no loss. Rather than, "we shall kill everyone to feed them to a tree so an alien god can rule the *galaxy*?"
yeah its kinda crazy when you think about it, everyones technically in the Akatsuki for their own goals (with some subtle manipulation ofc), Zetsu catered it appropriately to each person. & ofc Itachi was a spy
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I don’t know about you guys , but at this point NARUTO is timeless I’m sure that our kids would watch this anime even me growing up hating anime early on , had my first blunt years ago saw gaara fighting kimmimaro and got hooked , it’s crazy to see how complex this is
Someday I’ll make an anime
for some reason, being stoned and watching Naruto just goes hand in hand, it is beyond my understanding lol
@@screwyou-mk9rx ong I be rewatching it like I haven’t seen it
its 100% timeless
It's funny how Black Zetsu is the strongest member of the Akatsuki and i'm not even talking about the whole Madada debacle lmao.
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interesting take, i do think this is one of the most natural evolutions that naruto has in terms of retcons or changes, the akatsuki having different plans does go in hand with how the series portrays the antagonists: pain controlling the akatsuki, but in reality it was obito, but in reality it was madara, etc, etc.
though the part when pain has a one to one talk with naruto to me reveals that maybe nagato wasn't 100% sold on obito's plan so in a twisted manner that would fit the story, both of them were planning to betray each other for the tailed beasts.
Yeah it does make me wonder what would've happened if Pain returned with Naruto, and now Tobi's asking him to use Rinnerebirth to revive some guy
I still dont understand dumb Tobi. He comes in acting goofy most of the time, then ends up being the most tragic man on a mission by the end. What the hell was the dicking around part?
bro was breaking the fourth wall and legit trolling us the readers
Is it possible madara imprinted thoughts in his rinnegan that influenced pain as he acheived goals. I mean we know itagi was able to do similar things with the sharingan.
I think it’s fairly obvious that Obito gave Nagato a separate reason to form the Akatsuki than the reason he (Obito) had. (resurrection of the Juubi and Madara).
obito wasnt a planned akatsuki member originally he was just supposed to be the character to enhance kakashi's already amazing character. but fans were just foaming at the mouth with the theory that somehow this mysterious "madara/tobi" was obito, when in truth kishimoto wanted it to be the one and only madara an he kept this in despite of the fact he caved to fans to make tobi into obito,
Madara Uchiha was always meant to be the mastermind behind the akatsuki but kishimoto had to make concession and amend his original idea and thats why this weird multi-looped plan thing came to be.
but i can see it clearly that as far as akatsuki is concerned the only people who mattered were Nagato and Zetsu everyone else was just a chess piece to be disposed of once they outlived their use to Madara's grand scheme which in actuality was Kuro's(kaguya's will) scheme to resurrect the long sealed away kaguya, rabbit goddess of the moon,
Proof? Quotes? Letters? Interviews? Otherwise, this is probably not true.
@@paliboy93 its in the manga volumes kishimoto states he widely known to read fanmail sent to his studio. an as i said fans were so avidly craving obito to be the secret of "tobi" but as its revealed to us in that very same story arc where he is confirmed to have a sharingan by kakashi that Tobi was supposed to be "Madara Uchiha" and even before that kishimoto wrote jiraiya saying that the real leaqder of the akatsuki is probably none other than "madara uchiha" to which his summoned toad laughed about.
an i don't hate obito as a character but him being thrown in didn't make any logical sense when in the source material he was said to be dead an we see this happen he gets crushed under the weight of a rock then buried into the ground by the hidden stone shinobi. for all intensive purposes its very clear kishimoto wanted Madara to be the big bad an he still kept that idea in even after he caved to his fans to bring obito back to life etc.
As Rusty always say: gotta kechim all
this doesn't feel like "retcon". this feels like the writer either not remembering what he originally wrote, or changing his mind mid way through. i think the latter is more likely.
There is no retcons, just lower ranked members were told different stories and the “heads” of Akatsuki all had their own different plans.
Lower ranks members like Hidan and Deidara were told the bullshit plans.
Pain was told a different plan as well by Tobi and Zetsu but he also had his own plans and presumably would’ve betrayed and attempted to kill Tobi once he had all the Tailed Beasts in his possession.
Tobi and Madara had their own plans but even then they didn’t trust each other which is why Madara did sh** like putting a seal on Obito’s heart.
Finally Zetsu knew the whole truth and had his own plan which was resurrect Kaguya.
So it wasn’t really retcons, just a bunch of lies from murderous psychopaths who all didn’t trust and all planned to betray each other.
It's possible Obito lied to Pain and Pain lied to Hidan. After all they were all Obito's pawns
Meanwhile Zetsu ..
That's what happens when u have multiple different leaders with different plans Madara was the leader Pain Obito and Zetsu it's complete chaos
The real problem with the series is that the Rinnigan can basically date you with chakra….so then why did Madeira give up his eyes in the first place_-
"date you with Chakra"?
@@JuubiTaz lol my bad a typo, I mean de age himself
@@freemygrandma956 I dont think the rinnegan can "de age" the user, I get the confusion tho. With Nagato, I believe that he absorbed chakra and that's why he started to look healthier (less skinny & got his red hair back). I dont think he got younger when he absorbed Bee's Chakra
@@JuubiTaz that makes since, but wouldn’t Madara be able to do the same thing or switch bodies? Or is that not how Zetsu would work? Idk I think it’s weird he waited so long to be resurrected imo
Honestly imo why Part 3 (save for Five Kage Summit) is the weakest part in the whole series. There is so much in Part 3 that just messes with everything the series had up until that point.
Everything after the end of the Summit, like War Prep to the end, is such garish slop.
I think it could've been done better for sure, but it still has some of my best moments of Naruto tbh (Kakashi vs Obito, HashiramaxMadara childhood etc)
It is not a retcon. The higher up the hierarchy the closer you get to the real plan. Only zetsu knew the true end goal. Most of the akastuki probably would not have followed if they knew.
These are plot twist and a lot of them. Not retcons.
learning new information as the story progresses is not retconning.
they want naruto, why? 9 tails. ok, they want gaara, why? they want 1 tails. why are they doing this, they want to get all tailed beasts. why? pain says for peace. why? obito recruited him. why? madara put his rinnegan in nagato. why? he wants to come back to life. why? peace.
of course pain will say peace cuz that's what he wants and does not know he is being controlled by obito like obito did not know he was being controlled by madara like madara did not know he was being controlled by black zetsu cuz black zetsu just wanted kaguya- his mommy.
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Madara lied to Pain, and to everyone else exept Zetsu.
Remember when Minato faced Obito and asked him why he wanted the release of the fox demon?
Obito answered something like- it is for peace or for war or for whatever, I don't actualy care...
So Obito was not below lieing and manipulating everyone , giving each the story he wanted to hear.
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