How Retcons Changed Naruto
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- Masashi Kishimoto created one of the most popular manga of all time in Naruto. Come check out his creative process, and how his retcons changed Naruto forever!
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"His father, a much bigger fox." *me furiously typing a retort before you explained it*
When he said that I looked at the dislike bar to see how many Naruto fanboys he pissed off before he explained lmao.
Usually when you're born your father is much bigger than you🤷🏻♂️this story checks out
I thought he was joking to annoy Naruto fans, like he was some kind of edgylord
THIS.
I thought he was joking from the tone of his voice but gotta say it would be interesting to see Kishimoto’s original pilot for the series
"As I wrote Naruto, I found myself really caring for the characters I created"
Neji: I am a joke to you?
Tenten would like to have a word too
EnLaMatrix1 along with some screen time!
i mean theres also sakura who he has admitted he thought was probably the ugliest character he's ever created and thats why she got shafted. in my opinion a lot worse than neji.
That's why Iruka went from being pretty much Naruto's big brother and only friend to that guy that says a line or two sometimes just so you know that he still exists
Tenten: hi. Still here.
Sakura: is that why you ignored my character arc setup and hitched me with the edgiest asshole in the show? Because you care?
Hinata: is that why I have no fucking personality?
“Naruto needs no introduction.”
*proceeds to introduce Naruto*
Let him finish. Boruto's dad seems like a pretty cool character and if like to know more about him.
Naruto the show not the character
@@eirmundgundnand9442 i gotta say that is good bait, i almost took it
he called kurama his father and i hope he’s joking
and got it hilariously wrong
editors: so what is your manga going to be about
kishimoto: i dunno but these bois are gonna FIGHT
editors:...go on
youre a legend dude.
And fight they did.
While writing a story from the end is not uncommon the real problem was Kishimoto's retarded approach to it, making one of the characters so unlikeable that the mere idea that the other would go to such extends to save him ruined his character
Sigismund, The Emperor's Champion: 😐😱 that must only be you. Because I liked Sasuke.
fair enough, for me though most characters were either underused, underdeveloped, both or like the main trio just plain awful
The worst retcon in Naruto was going from the Neji vs Naruto fight which was about fighting against density to in the end Naruto is literally reincarnated destined chosen hero.
Naruto still went against destiny though. The reincarnations of Ashura and Indra were destined to fight each other in each incarnation and to never see eye to eye. Naruto (and I guess Sasuke to some extent) is the one who broke the wheel of destiny and saved the world (with a little help from Kakashi, Sakura and the Reverse Harem Jutsu)
@LameDoodler Sasuke decided to stop fighting by capturing all the tailed beasts, declaring war on the world and trying to kill Naruto? How's that work, fam?
It was Naruto who convinced him to stop.
People are confusing "will" with "destiny". Which is kind of amazing, since they're complete opposites.
What you described there were Asura and Indra's "wills". As in, the things they wanted to do, but couldn't.
Indra wanted to kill Asura and usurp his power (which he never could, because of their combined "destiny").
Asura wanted to end their conflict peacefully, without bloodshed (which he never could, because of their combined "destiny").
Asura and Indra's "destiny" was to forever fight each other through their descendants/reincarnations.
None of the incarnations managed to acomplish their will and break the wheel of destiny.
Until Naruto convinced Sasuke to cooperate with him and protect the world together.
I would go even further to say that Naruto not only ended the cycle but he did it independently of Asura's will. He didn't do it peacefully. Him and Sasuke had to lose an arm for it.
(He gets his arm later, but with the prosperity he and Sasuke brought to the world, I would say he's entitled to at least an arm xD)
Don't forget naruto is the literal child of prophecy
@@kenan-b So was Nagato, but that didn't go that well, did it?
Even when the toad sages said "ok, but this time we promise... for sure... Naruto is the child of prophecy" it didn't go that smooth either.
Naruto (and Sasuke) fulfilled the prophecy and saved the world by sealing Kaguya (with help from Kakashi and Sakura... and Obito... yeah, I'll give an assist to Obito). Yet they still didn't break their destinies, 'cause Sasuke was about to start fighting again.
The thing with prophecies is that they're just predictions. And predictions can be wrong. Nowhere in the prophecy does it say that Kakashi and Sakura (and Obito) would help.
@@raulzaha3096 but the prophecy didn't foretell that the child of prophecy would just save the world from a great evil or strong villain, that's not what the prophecy said. It said (this is paraphrasing), that the child of prophecy would bring about a great change in the ninja world and change it's trajectory drastically moving forward. This could've been for better or for worse. Also jiraiya THOUGHT that nagato was the child of prophecy, he was wrong, as he admits to himself right before he dies and proclaims naruto is the true child of prophecy, which he is. Naruto (and sasuke because of stupid shoehorned reincarnation reasons) was the ONE person that was essential win the war, he had the most influence by far and has changed the nature of the shinobi world far greater than minato or nagato could have ever dreamed of. You're right that prophecies are just "predictions" but how often in works of fictions do these predictions not come true? I'd wager to say less than 1%, given the totality of fiction that is out there, seeing as that every single story I can think of that has a prophecy in it, that prophecy becomes true.
Part 1: "Destiny is not set in stone"
One Retcon later...
Part 2: "Naruto is a reincarnate of Jesus, I guess..."
part 3: everything was planned out by black tree man
part 4: borutos dad
Naruto and sasuke being a transmigrant doesn't undo the part one concept of going against destiny. Naruto and sasuke undid there destiny's when neither of them died in there final battle
@@houseofaction Except their destiny isn't to fight and kill each other, just to fight because of an ideological difference. When you add in the direct intervention of black Zetsu, who last I saw isn't called "Destiny", which is the main reason that the fighting started in the first place and that it turned so bitter instead of it being more peaceful... Yeah, Naruto is still ninja Jesus.
Actually many times it was stated that Naruto and Sasuke would die if they fought.
"Lets talk about the retcons of Naruto."
> Talks briefly about the most successful retcon.
> Ignores... You know, the rest of them.
What are your other examples??
@@1234freshkinghow about the very theme of Naruto itself going from "hardwork can beat talent" to "Naruto is the literal reincarnated child of prophecy"
@@michaelwilson8806 And maybe "He is the most powerful ninja ever to, no he is the most powerful ninja ever to, no he is the most powerful ninja, to he is the most.... and so on for like 10 times.
perfect video totally perfect video i see no flaws
Michael Wilson ummmm.....yea....no that was not the theme of naruto 😂😂😂😂😂. The overall theme of naruto was acceptance. From the very beginning all the way until the end. That's what naruto's theme was. And btw, naruto didn't just wake up and become the strongest ninja alive. Like we went thru 700 chapters/episodes worth of him getting stronger through training in various different techniques and jutsu to get stronger. He wasn't born with the ability to perform shadow clones, rasengan, summoning jutsu, sage mode, or control the nine tails chakra. He had to actually WORK HARD to achieve those. The only thing he was born with was a large chakra pool. Other than that, he had no talent as a ninja
"The naruto setting was meant to be mysterious"
Me: Fuck yea it was. Remember when those Samurai came out of nowhere?
And next week they will introduce another samurai in Boruto, seems legit
Fucking loved the samurai
The video should be called, “Let’s talk about mythological stories for 10 minutes and then talk about 2 Naruto Retcons to finish up the video”
Damn someone is tilted, not gonna lie xD (1 year late and I'm thinking you're a new person now)
Deadass 😂
Yeah this video needs a retcon itself lol.
@@ilikememes1402 criticizing something doesn't mean you're upset. He didn't say anything wrong.
You really didn't talk about the retcons in Naruto very much at all.
Yeah he talked maybe just about 2 when there is faaaar more
@@radpunk5144 Basically the last 200 episodes of the anime are pure retcon (also they only cover about 3 days of time so they internally have to retcon things WITHIN THOSE 200 EPISODES)
I know he spent most of the video explaining mythological influences in Naruto as opposed to the retcons
@@mitchellhorton9382 Yeah, what a mess. Way to fuck up a story...
It was a pretty good video, but the title is really misleading.
Another retcon I don't see brought up in these comments is that the Third Hokage in part one is described as the strongest of all the hokages up to that point, but by the end of part two it's clearly seen he doesn't hold a candle to Hashirama. He went from being described as a God of Shinobi, a title Hashirama once held, to instead be The Professor because he mastered every known jutsu. At the end of part two, Hashirama is going hard with thousand armed statues versus Madara, and Hiruzen is still just throwing shuriken around. Sure, in part one you could argue Hiruzen was old and past his prime which is why we didn't see him go as hard as other hokages. But in part two, he was an edo which was the perfect opportunity to unshackle him and show why he was considered the strongest. Hell, if he really was the strongest, him versus Madara should have been an amazing fight, and yet he just takes the back seat.
This does make sense though, because Hiruzen versus Madara wouldn't fit with the whole reincarnation plot. The story couldn't just be strong ninja versus other strong ninja, it had to be specific people from which the plot revolved around.
they could have made those characters be part of those strong ninja
At One point they said Minato was the best of the 4 as well
But once they introduced that damn réincarnation bs it was all Senju-Uzumaki/Uchiha bloodline
Even the Hyuga(who we were told were the origin of the Uchiha clan ) got the backseat
@@togucvinw7 I mean Hiruzen and Minato being described as the best were done by characters(e.g. Iruka) and not a narrator or other omniscient source, so those statements aren't "fact" per se. Also, the Byakugan being the origin of the sharingan technically is true given that Kaguya and the otsutsuki's have the byakugan and/or rinnegan and not the sharingan. The uchiha clan origins was prob retconned a ton of times throughout the story, but the origin statement is still consistent.
The most glaring retcons imo in the story are
1. the premise of jinchuurikis especially pertaining to gaara who's beast was described as an old monk before.
2. Kabuto and Minato getting PERFECT sage mode so easily which none of the sannin got despited years with their summonings
3. While I do argue that which hokage was the strongest was always ambiguous, Hashirama being SO strong makes little sense since they never even explained how he died despite his ridiculous regen powers and the only person near him in strength was dead.
4. Kakashi having unlimited chakra to spam kamui in the war, and how he became on the same team as two genin despite becoming a chunin at 6. Timeline stuff in general is shaky, especially the blood mist village stuff.
Except he does cause lord 3 wasn't in his prime at all during the entire Naruto series. Hell we see him body both 1st and 2nd and then take snake bois arms.
By the time we see him in the end he's single handedly countering the gedo mazdo like it ain't shit. Dudes strong suit was his incredible breadth of jutsu and his brilliant mind.
TLDR; The third hokage's strength comes from his thinking ability not his super-sized Chakra pool, and we only see him when he's old as shit.
@@Stephen246666 number 4 can easily be explained due to war time issues and to conserve manpower. But the rest no clue
"I found myself really caring for the characters I created"
*laughs in 90% of the Naruto cast being useless irrelevant background characters after 2 or 3 battles, if extremely lucky*
remember the hyuga were the strongest in the leaf in part 1and the sharingan was created from it like some off branch breeding led to the formation of the uchiha or some shit but part 2 retcons all of this ...then in part 2 mangekyo comes out of nowhere and for every sharigan theres a new power...obito's 2 eyes have different powers lol..what a joke the sharingan ruined the story and the uchiha focus was annoying...the other clans were so interesting... from what I remember in part 2 lee ten ten choji kiba shino sai anko ibiki yamato kurenai shizune konohamaru temari kankuro combined did jack crap ...they had like 3 moments combined that mattered and all were relatively either close to not needed or very small...this is what happens when you introduce more main ninja with screen time we are suppose to care about from team hebi to the rest of the akatsuki to zetsu clones to the other villages kages assistants samurai generals like bro too many fucking characters introduced in part 2 not enough time spent to develop the ones we know and love...and while neji did one important thing he did nothing else and he died so and ino surprisingly got 2 big moments in the war but hers didn't really add to the narrative at all so they were very glossed over the way sakura's moments are mostly just external nothing really thematically going on with what she does besides her punching kaguya in her blindspot to seal her which if thats all you get as a main character thats fucking sad...you can tell the author liked shikamaru ino and hinata in the war since they were going to lose close people obviously their parents and cousin and gave them huge moments and said fuck everyone else ...lol...look back its funny that the only time kishi gives his side characters stuff to do is after pain of loss...its really annoying...
it makes sense though. Naruto and Sasuke are main characters and should be more relevant and the power cliffing was too much for the side characters to keep up with
Sasuke’s probably Kishimoto’s self insert.
Serious question but which character gained 3 fights on the series other than Naruto and Sasuke?
@@guilhermeribeiro402 Technically Shikamaru. He had that Sound Girl, Temari, Tayuya, & Hidan (ft. Kakuzu). Then there is Kakashi & even Sakura.
I always said that Goku suddenly being an alien was a big damn retcon, but now I know the correct term is "additive retcon".
Nicolas Frasson but it made so much sense explaining his extraordinary power and his tail.
@@TheComicCrew That literally came from Chinese folklore, though. DragonBall wasn't a story about aliens, it was about the Son Goku of the legend.
Nicolas Frasson the monkey king you’re right. But to those who don’t know about the monkey king it makes more sense to be an alien vs a monkey king that looks like a kid if you know what I mean. You’re absolutely right though maybe they should’ve went more monkey king instead of aliens.
@@TheDarkSoulsOfTH-camComments In DBZ they also just ignored most of the fantasy elements of the first series, which I find to be a little dissapointing.
@@TheDarkSoulsOfTH-camComments Sun Wukong aka The Monkey King which Goku is based off is actually Chinese Mythology
Neji: “Hokage’s are made”
Naruto: “No they aren’t”
Also Naruto **Is the reincarnation of God, His clans symbol is imbued in every shinobi outfit, his mother is from a powerful chakra clan, his dad was the fourth hokage, his far related to the first Hokage in a way**
Chad Anime Fans: Naruto's canon is fucking bullshit!
Naruto fans: We know!
Also has a fucking demon giving him all the chakra he wants
Neji said hokages are born, not made
rishabh anand I mean either way...
@@tyjones9864 not really though. the point of neji's statement was that one does not become hokage by hard work, but rather, there are a select few who are destined from birth to become hokage, hence the statement hokages are born. naruto, by beating neji, was meant to show that hokages are made, not born. that a failure could become hokage through hard work. but then, with the fact that naruto is the child of prophecy and the reincarnation of asura was showed that no, naruto was a hokage who was born, not made. also, on a side not, i am really not a fan of prophecies in stories. like in universe, it seems cool, but out of universe, we know that the writer basically wrote the prophecy to fit the character that was already created. the only series i have read that did prophecies right was the percy jackson series. it gave a prophecy about how the quest of that book would unfold, and then made it come true in ways we did not expect.
This should be two different videos... Naruto's mythological influences and Retcons in Naruto. However the retcons in Naruto video needs more content...
definetly! this video was a waste of time because i wanted to see the retcons not the mythological influences
Indubitably.
@@LTDLetsPlays
Eh, it was still a good and Informative video.
He didn't even talk about retcons, he just wanted a clickbait title.
Marvel's Thor being changed from an American guy who got godlike powers to being an actual god is retconning. Explaining Why the Kyuubi attacked the village is NOT a retcon just because it wasn't explained previously and we just assumed it was just angry and randmly attacked it, especially since Naruto's birth and what happened to his parents were intentionally left as a mystery, waiting to be explained. Even if the writer himself didn't know right away where exactly he will want to take this story, this isn't a retcon as it doesn't erease any existing canon (like how almost everyone still believes that the Kyuubi just randomly attacked them with the 4th hokage saving the day)
@@noodleknight7924 And the Shukaku/Kyuubi thing wasn't a retcon either because Shukaku never fought the Kyuubi at the end of the Chuunin exams.
Remember back when all the sharingan did was copy moves?
Then all of a sudden:
It can see Chakra
Susanoo
Cast Genjutsu
SPECIFIC SHARINGAN ABILITIES
Kareem 112 sussano was a rare ability on like 5 people have ever had it how would sasuke have known about it when telling us? And I don’t see how the other 2 are a problem we saw itachi use genjutsu with it in part 1
I wouldn't complain, it's way cooler with the add ons
@@Kidkinsey Sasuke did read the hidden secrets of his clan in the shrine, so it might have been written there
Genjutsus aren't exclusive to the Sharingan, Kurenai used one on Itachi, and she didn't have a Sharingan, the Byakugan could also see Chakra. And if it was ONLY able to copy moves, then "Kakashi of the Sharingan" wouldn't be called "Kakashi of the Sharingan", he'd be called "Kakashi, the copycat Ninja with little to no Chakra"
@@L1z43vr not that their specific to Uchiha but its something that they specialize in
Having the main characters all be children in the beginning also really helped him out, since finding out all the lies and secrets of adults is an essential part of growing up.
The Filler Writers made their bread and butter on this. Naruto and his friends had more adventures in those days after the Chuunin Exams and the days before Naruto went off to train then all the ninjas in the other Nations combined. Ninja Ostrich is still unrivaled.
Yeah I found you. But you're right though Lol. The time they took making pointless filler they probably
could've used to flesh out the other characters. They probably couldve made sakura likable too.
@@nothingsuspicioushere.6379 I wish they had. I would've loved some fillers fleshing out certain relationships and characters, but instead... we got Ninja Ostrich. lol
I both understood and didn’t understand exactly what you said.
@Rwaggy Rwuper Rwinstincts True. That filler arc is one of my favorite, but I wish we had gotten more fillers like that and less fillers like the one about Ninja Ostrich.
@@dreamingblue3939 we did though. Chikara, Guren, and that one where Obito was a Hyuga.
This video is just as jumbled as the Ninja War Arc. Time to retcon it.
Wait you're telling me that a war is chaotic? Oh geez.
@@kaldo_kaldo how did u conflate the storytelling with the war it self. hes saying the arc and the storytelling was all over the place. oh geez
Because the war is the story. Good writers know that an intense arc needs fast pacing, even outside of the intense scenes, or that if god-like beings will be learning to drive a car, the whole episode is going to have a chill and relaxed vibe. The story is the arc and the arc is the story. I didn't conflate it, good writing is conflated.
Nick Miller lmao what. No. Just no. Good writing is conflated? Wtf r u on. A war is chaotic. A good writer can convey that chaos through an understandable storytelling. The chaos can still be there. But The story has to be organized in an orderly fashion. Bad writing is disorderly plots and arcs. The arc itself can be about ANYTHING but conveying that story to the audience should be understandable. Chaotic writing isn’t good writing. Conflated writing isn’t good writing. Good writing is consistency and order while being able to tell even the most chaotic stories. And you are still conflating the two things I’m talking bout. I said STORYTELLING vs the STORY itself. A story can be about ANYTHING, chaotic war, chill summer love story, any fucking thing. But the storytelling is how that story is told and conveyed. If the writer jumbled up everything that’s the not really the story that’s messed and is all over the place. The writer probably has a complete story in his/her head. But he could be telling the story is a poor manner that loses the audience here and there. Some of the Things that can cause that are pacing, foreshadowing, going off on a tangent etc. again, the story can be chaotic but the way it’s told should be organized enough to convey that story and it’s chaos to the audience. THATS the mark of a good writer. Not conflating it and jumbling it up. That’s bad writing.
@@kaldo_kaldo are you that guy from New Girl?
“How retcons changed Naruto”
>pretty much explains how it’s connected to eastern mythology for a majority of the video.
K
😂
The Video is pretty dump.
First and formost, his Examples how Kishimoto is inspired by History and Mythology is "giving a lot of Characters Names of real Ninja"
And Kyubi turning good all of a sudden was one of the worst retcons. Im not against him turning into an ally, but it was to fast, and the buildup was forced.
Also Naruto had the positive Halve and Minato the negative, (and there isnt any difference in Personality between Halves anyway) so he cant even get his Infos straight.
Yea fanbois... I knew I would find you
@@Sunaki1000 So it's shit because of some preferences you have and one minor incorrect fact? Alrighty.
@@Sunaki1000 Kyuubi turning good took all of Naruto and Shippuden to happen. You okay?
Off the top of my head
-Gaara's tailed beast-----> originality a desert demon
-Naruto apparently only having half of the demon fox
Minato having sage-mode
The Edo Tensei having grades of success.
Reencarnation being a thing.
Nagato and Karin being somehow related to Naruto.
The Shinigami Seal being reversible.
Mangekyu-caused blindness being reversible.
Kakashi having awakened the Mangekyu since childhood.
Sasuke seeing Itachi crying as he was killing his own clan.
Hyuuga's eyes relevance in the story.
Akatsuki's plan.
Black Zetsu's everything.
Another one is the reason for why Minato wasn't summoned during the first Konoha Invasion arc and how it failed.
>originally a desert demon
Was he ?
I seem to recall that it was established from the start that Gaara was a host for a Tailed Beast
@@james501001 nope. All the jinrureki was in shippuden. Gaara all he had was " an evil dessert spirit"
Uzumaki clan having high regeneration and durability was the annoying one.
That wasnt actually the nine tailed fox which fought Shukaku. Naruto was fighting it with Gamabunta and used a transformation jutsu so They looked like the nine tailed fox and could utilize its claws.
actually, in the manga, they just transformed into a regular fox... it was the anime that made them look like the nine tails- so i guess that's why shukaku didn't recognize him
@@craigime Now that's a lie
@@unvatoeninternet707 what's a lie?
@@craigime in the manga gamabunta and naruto also transforms in the nine tailed fox, its the end panel of a chapter I believe
@@unvatoeninternet707 no they don't... go read the chapter again... they transform into a regular fox with One tail.... it's chapter 135... it's only in the anime that they change into the nine tails
"I found myself really caring for the characters I created"
LOL
lol
neji ten ten ino like 40 others disagree...
*cough cough*
Itachi Being Good
The tailed beasts not being demons
Obito helping itachi
Naruto having half the nine tails
How stupidly powerful Hashirama was
Minato having sage mode
All of the power scaling in the series
The degree to which the 8th gate actually boosts one's power
How draining Chidori and the sharingan are for kakashi
Once again, how naruto only had half the nine tails..
*uncough uncough*
Most of your comment is good, but I'd say about 3 of your statements aren't really retcons.
Itachi being good is more of a plot twist than a retcon. You can theorize that it wasn't originally intended as such but there is no clear contradiction between his actions in preshippuden and shippuden.
Minato was never establish NOT to have sage mode, nor was it ever implied he couldn't learn it. So him having it in the war arc does come out of nowhere, but isn't a retcon.
Likewise, we never had any clue of how powerful the Gate of Death ones make. All we knew from Part 1 was that it's supposed to make anyone strong enough to guaranty a kill against any enemy, but they die in return. And I'd say that what we had in the War arc was pretty accurate to this. Given that Madara didn't have his OP regenerating skills, it would've been the end. Of course Guy ended up not dying cause Kishi needs to sacrifice one of his siblings during a full moon every time he permakills a character.
Frank22222 if Itachi was originally supposed to be good, why tf would he Tsukiyomi Sasuke TWICE? Idc what you’re “preparing him for” making him watch his parents be killed be you for 3 days straight, not just once when he was 7 but for a second time when he’s 12 is just a dick move.
As for the 8 Gates it’s pretty much stated that the Gate of Death gives you power that “far exceeds the Hokage”. Given how Hiruzen and Minato were hyped up at the time as these mystical beings. Hiruzen being described as the “God Of Shinobi” and “the strongest Kage alive” when this is including Ohnoki, A, and Raza. You can get an idea of how strong 8 Gates is.
Nagato's Rinnegan turning out to have been Madara's. fuck. that one still pisses me off. I refuse to believe it. Nagato is the reincarnated Sage of 6 paths in my head canon, fuck that eyeball swapping bullshit.
Itachi being good wasn't bad
@@darkinferno1219 Yeah, for a guy that was supposed to be brilliant...nothing about his plan made sense. He wanted his brother to get stronger, but he also wanted his brother to protect the village....so why antagonize him to the point that he becomes consumed with revenge and leaves the village?
If he was really a good guy you'd think he would have stepped in and pushed Sasuke back on the right path at some point. Especially after he went off to hang out with ol' Snakey-Joe.
I don’t think giving backstory to the kyuubi really qualifies as a retcon. Like you could’ve gone over actual retcons which changed what the author had originally said like how Naruto had failed the genin exam 3 times but ended up the same age as the other genin and didn’t know Lee or Neji or Tenten. Also, your video didn’t have much of a focus. Your title was about retcons in Naruto but you spent a huge amount of time talking about the mythology of the story or how it’s kinda weird that they have computers in a seemingly tech-less world, neither of which were really relevant to the topic of retcons.
I agree but those are plot holes not retcons
LuckyZeddd they’re both. The retcon creates plot holes.
Pissy
The way I've always seen it is that the Genin Exams start happening when they're 10, and it's normal, even for above-average students like Sasuke, to fail the first 2 times and then succeed the 3rd time.
I've always just seen it as Naruto rushing himself and taking the exams early even though he wasn't ready. We already know it's possible for the students to take it early.
I disliked this video. Not because of anything you said being wrong but merely that you focused on the wrong things. I wanted to know how the retcons to Naruto changed things in Naruto instead you spent 10 minutes talking about what a retcon is 3 minutes talking about how the author was inspired by his hometown and folklore and maybe 20 seconds talking about how the backstory retcon for the Tailed Beasts make no sense because Shukaku never once commented "hey you look like my brother" or some such. No one cares because they can figure out what a retcon is for themselves easily enough by googling it. I wanted personal exploration and critique of Naruto not "Writing Tips For Dummies" using Naruto as an example.
Also in the fight he is talking about Shukaku watched a giant toad and a 10 year old boy turn into the nine tails, he knew it wasn't actually him
@@Fearsomeyeti967
12 years old ,blonde
ninja boy, in an orange suit*
Lol😂😂
Fearsomeyeti967 yeah but he didn’t even question it? “Oh shit how do they know the nine tails?” Nothing like, “to make me fight a mirror image of my brother”. Like if I’m fighting some guy and suddenly he turns into my brother (somehow) I’m gonna comment on it cause it’s my brother.
Thanks for saying this. I couldn't quite put my finger on what I found so unsatisfactory about this video until you pointed it out. I still gave the video a like regardless, as there was a lot of work put into this and no ads, but I hope this video gets retconned (heh) in the future.
@@Chalaxandler When the title of the video is "how retcons changed Naruto" and there is no actual discussion of said retcons and their impact until the very end and 9/10s of the video is completely unrelated to retcons it's not violating my standards it's a bait and switch, fantard.
Young Neji: People can't change, no matter how hard they try. Everything is predetermined.
Youung Naruto: THAT DOES IT! WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TELL HER WHO SHE CAN OR CAN'T BE!?
Old Naruto: *is the child of prophecy*
Dead Neji: wow, ok
Old Naruto: *always had a seat to the throne, destiny predetermined*
Dead Neji: WOW
Man people are obsessed
You completely overlooked how Naruto was only supposed to be the tool of the village
@@pn2294 I can't wrap my head around the child of prophecy thing, it's just way too far of a departure from what the show used to be. I honestly think Shippuden would have been more enjoyable without this plot line
@@DaRkSoUl13flare that prophecy was so vague it was honestly meaningless
That’s why no one could tell it was Naruto until it actually happened
@@pn2294 That's why I hate it lol. Along with the Zetsu "I planned everything, this isn't bad writing" jutsu
Also Neji was expected to die for the main branch of the family, and in the end he died to save Hinata (i think its been a while) so he didn't escape his destiny either.
Show went from "make your own destiny" to "destiny is immutable, get over it I'm destined for greatness".
Also, everything after the pain arc could really be rewritten, did the big bad need to be a an alien god that nuked the concept of a power ceiling, and some weird plant dude that magically schemed everything up. (And honestly after Sasuke learned the full truth he got extra annoying and was clearly just being a contrairian until naruto litterally disarmed him)
Boruto had some promiss to reset back to the roots of early Naruto, instead it doubled down on the worst aspects of Shippuden.
You barely talked about the retcons at all. Like wtf? I expected a bit more
True, I was like...where the retcons at? He talked about it during the final half of the video, lol.
You just saved me 13 minutes of my life, and for that, I thank you.
With the example he made about the ambiguous set time to viewers interpretarion as a representative of the manga and additive retcon, debunks or justifies all the plot holes that u could ever point out to be a real thing, or bad writing in naruto.
Example of ambiguous explanations for the viewers interpration: "Kaguya was an ass pull" You ca interpret that she was introduced by kimimaros back story speech before death, he was talking about the meaning of life "is there a God" Also the clan kaguya resemble the real kaguya on appearance and her bone abilities, this clan was pointed out as the most ignorant of the ninja world and for sure u can contrast that with humans, and the ignorance we all have, what kimimaro was looking for, it describes humanitys own chase to find the awnser of everything, and we know there's a theory that ancestral civilizations believe aliens where gods and that they visited us and where taken as gods, now u can take naruto as a whole and go back to that episode, and can tell that this can be a retrospective hidden refference to kaguya, since she is the awnser to all ninja world origin. Again viewers interpratation, this manga is about that, if u think is plot holes then whatever.
Example 2 additive retcon "Itachi was ment to be a bad guy but later on writer change his mind" It could be a possibility. Yet like the example this guy mention about shukaku u can interpret it as a pre judgemental scenario where a story was stablished someway but after a while can be change in order to progess with the writers goal, that clearly was plot twisted narratives.
You didn’t start talking about the retcons until 10:00. That took wayyyyyyyyy too long to get there
1.) Change the video title to "How Japanese Mythology Shaped Naruto and how Kishimoto adapted to his own story"
2.) 12:00 - Shukaku didn't react as you would think (he did react slightly) because this was a transformation Jutsu performed by Naruto, it's not actually Kurama.
Shikaku is supposed to have known the nine tails for years yet says nothing when seeing him.
Ignore the fact that he sees him transform from a giant toad.
Shukaku*
Naruto and Sasuke aren't reincarnation of Kaguya's sons. They're reincarnation of Haguromo's sons, reincarnation of her grandchildren.
That’s the point re watch the video again
Uh both of you guys are wrong on all points. Savage Books clearly said at 1:00 "simply started with a boy seeking friendship and ended with an interdenominational fight with a chakra goddess being defeated by reincarnation of her sons with one of then creating the moon".
Lmao a bunch of poser pretending to know stuff.
Mistaa Spaakles my god your an idiot
@@khaikhai4982 is that so, please do explain fruit cake.
This whole reincarnation shit IS a retcon, is what I think that they mean.
Also, the reincarnation retcon was done in a VERY bad way because the sons of Hagoromo are the original Indra and Ashura, but both Sasuke and Madara are Ashura's reincarnations and they are alive at the same time.
The later part of naruto is not as bad as bleach but is also a dumpster fire.
"As I wrote Naruto, I found myself really caring for the characters I created"
*cough*except for Sakura*cough*
All jokes aside though, great vid. I learned a lot about the series that I didn't know before C:
cough*except for any female character*cough
Except anyone who isn't Naruto or from the Uchiha clan.
Actually Kishimoto liked Sakura and was disappointed about how much people hated her.
This is from the translated summary of the interview with Kishi and Kobayashi (there's more on the subject in the summary too):
''Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated.''
He talks about his frustration that whatever he did with her people still hated her.
@@sirperybLakeney I think most people liked how strong she got in the second part, especially when she faught Sasori. But the problem is most of the time Kishimoto didn't bother making her as strong or as active as her male counterparts. He probably "liked" her, but he couldn't help himself portraying her just as a love interest or a damselle in distress.
@@sirperybLakeney She did have an excuse for the early part of Naruto, since they were all pretty young and naive.
In Shippuden she was actually a pretty good character, who had developed. That was until the kage summit arc where her character just went to shit.
She showed that she didn't really care for Naruto much, even though he was always defending her. Then after Sasuke tried to kill her, she still loved him. Her "love" is completely superficial at this point.
She never redeems herself after this either. She barely has any relevance in the war. She just goes on and on about how sad she is that Sasuke doesn't love her back. Until she finally gets her wish in the end.
Imagine how terrible this relationship would be realistically.
If Kishimoto wanted people to like her, he should've given a reason for liking her. There's plenty "realistic" female characters that are likable. Just not Sakura.
Dude it takes you 9 minutes out of a 13 minute long video about retcons until you ACTUALLY talk about retcons
Have to satisfy the algorithm.
@@Sajuek he could've...idk...talked about retcons in naruto for 10 minutes instead
@@DannyMotta there are definitely enough to talk about for 10 minutes lol
@@dreamingblue3939 I could talk about Naruto retcons for hours
Actual video starts at 8:50.
Seriously.
Thanks
It was still a cool backstory, tho
🅱️less your soul
lol
"How Retcons changed Naruto"
First 8 minutes are spent introducing Naruto's setting and the mythology incorporated.
Finally gets to talking about retcons, discusses exactly one single retcon and doesn't explore how it really changed the series.
Okay.
Why does so much of this video waste time on content that isn't discussing its retcons? Don't get me wrong, there's some fun trivia here, but retroactive continuity has nothing to do with, "Someone took inspiration from a source and then later had a different source of inspiration." In fact, your videos title isn't even the point of video, as nothing that you mention "changed Naruto". Also the entire essay's flow is just a mess. It goes from informative to trivia to instructional and never really nails down a point other than, "Well I just had a bunch of tidbits of info conveyed over 10 minutes."
Yeah seriously. The talk about retcons doesn't even start until 8:50, and ends 4 minutes later.
The whole video going by the title is only 5 minutes pretty much.
Plague of Gripes did it better.
I agree
jesus christ this video was worse than "plot holes dont matter" atleast that was talking about the topic in the title even if he was extremely wrong
12:20
well, if you consider that he first fought a giant frog and saw that he transformed, why would he care?
Shukaku knows this is not his brother but a transformation, so no problem there
I don’t know, I feel like if an evil brainwashed version of my brother was trying to kill me I will at least comment on it
@@artemiswolf4508
1) Kurama and Naruto were in no good relationship at the time. So he has no reason to comment.
2) Shukaku knew this was a copy. So he had no reason to comment
Also in the manga, Naruto just transformed into a regular one tailed fox, not the Nine Tails
@Rodney Lane, cool... Never knew that...
Well... If I saw someone turned into my long lost brother and he was trying to murder me, I'd at least have some sort of reaction.
It's odd that it didn't have any reaction at all.
Just something like "That form..." would have done the trick, just to acknowledge that he recognises Kurama, and convey that he knows its just a transformation
We aren't saying it's terrible and breaks the lore, but it's odd once you know the relation between the two.
It's easy to assume that at this point, tailed-beasts weren't supposed to be what they were at the end.
7:12 they even seal Shukaku in a tea kettle in a episode of Boruto. Fun fact.
The retcons to Naruto ruined the series for me. Most of them were poorly thought out and led to ridiculous plot points even in a story about magical ninja. Part 1 and part 2 seem like two different series to me.
Yeah it severely lost focused and had a rather large cast of which only a few were ever used well. I think the first thing that really jumped out to me that Kishimoto had lost his focus was early on in part 2 when they introduce the elemental property idea.
On it's own it's a perfectly fine concept and time tested but the way it seemed half assed thrown in came off bad. When the main cast spent years in ninja school yet seem totally oblivious to something they should have learned first week of training you can tell it was made up on the spot because combat up to that point tended to lack a lot of depth.
@@Unquestionable just wanting to add that for something seemingly as basic and important as elemental property only just a selected few learned about it, 2 out of 3 of the main cast and almost none of the secondaries.
@@Unquestionable so part of my problem with the elemental chart, is that now it makes no sense for any of the villages to specialize in the element of their nation, but they still do. Cloud village still almost exclusively uses lightning, which would make them hard lose to wind users. Same with mist, and stones. Leaf and sand are the only ones that seem to diversify their techniques.
rac2300 it’s because each village and clan has a natural affinity to its own types
@Yung Hentai yes... yes I did...
Unfortunately you have it backwards. The Yin half is usually the darker half, and that was the half that Minato sealed in himself
That's a nice detail. Minato didn't want Naruto to have to deal with the "worse" of Kurama
Yin does not mean bad or evil. It is simply the opposite of yang. Yang is usually associated with masculine flame energy, while Yin is the inverse. While there is such a concept as extreme Yang/Yin that is usually only portrayed in Chinese works. So in Naruto all Yang should have some Yin, with the reverse also being true.
The female force is considered destructive, while the male one is considered constructive.
Yes, that can be considered sexist. It's an ancient idea. But balance is a cool concept, so they just go with it.
While there is always a Yin in the Yang, it is nowhere near enough to balance on it's own.
@@darksaint0124 Naruto have the Yang. It's just like Happy Demon said, associated with light, construction, stuff like that. Yin is darkness, destruction. It's as if Naruto is Yang and Sasuke is Yin.
This was the comment I was looking for (as a Narutard, I noticed that mistake the instant he said it).
He had to retcon Madara and Hashiramas strength. In the beginning of the series it EXPLICITLY says the third Hokage is the strongest to date, period. However, as Madara kept getting built up as an unstoppable murder machine he had to in turn do the same with the first Hokage in order to make their rivalry believable
"Sometimes, you just want to see giant monsters punching each other in the face." Pretty much.
Or sometimes you just want to shoot giant monsters in the face.
@@ethanasher6494 Or giant robots punch giant monsters. It is a very versatile genre.
This video reeks of someone who didn't read the actual manga. Shukaku didn't recognize Kurama because Naruto didn't transform into the Kyuubi during their fight, he just transformed into a fox. Only the anime depicted him transforming into the real Kyuubi. Furthermore, the Kyuubi isn't evil because he's the Yang half. Both halves are the same in every way. No half is "good" and no half is "bad."
It was telling that this video would be filled with BS when 11 out of 13.5 minutes in we still hadn't even started covering the subject matter.
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page 16, that's 100% Kurama with less tails, not some bullshit you spout about it being a regular fox.
@@My_Master_Waves I mean Kurama with one tail is a regular fox, his nine tails are pretty much his most distinctive attribute
@@Igneeka what about his front paws that are also hands?
Even the transformation in a fully 9-tails doesn't require any retcons: 1. Shukaku isn't stupid, he understands it's still the same Toad Boss under a transformation jutsu, why we suddenly start talking about the asshole bully he once knew.
2. Even if he was that stupid, the Fox is charging right at him; he needs to fight, he doesn't have the time to start a conversation.
@@3dmaster205 you telling me dude didn’t think once during the entire fight “that form...” atleast once? Nigga just didn’t say shit the entire time until Naruto beat his ass
The larger and longer the series continues, the more likely retcons are to happen because of the creator changing their vision
Did you even bother to analyze if those were truly retcons or not?
what he's saying is true either way
and they are retcons
Like Oda in One Pièce ,where at the begining you couldnt possibly know the power of a fruit before eating to « hey There is a whole Book with all the fruits and their power ! And now fruits can respawn somewhere in the world! »
thats no excuse for bad writing.
@@aa-eh9uf I agree it's no excuse I was just making an observation. Retcons are a pet peeve of mine and something I avoid in my own writing.
It's frustrating because their could have been so much character growth for Naruto as he pretty much ceased to change after the pain fight. When I read/watched where he is finally accepted by the village after saving it, I felt a huge opportunity was missed as I think the concept of a group treating you like shit until literally saving their lives would make someone bitter at their shallowness and could have pushed naruto further towards darkness as he resents how callous they were to a mere child. He has a genuine motive to hate the leaf village and it was wasted.
huh? naruto development is on og he saves the village by fighting gaara and shukaku he came back with new hokage that's already a growth to make village love him then shippuden happened he solos pain that's absolutely a perfect reason to make people in the village respect him
@@lightvader2369 that's the point, Naruto never changed or developed as a character as consequence. Even when he beat Gaara and came back, he was still mistrusted and was one of the reasons he left with Jiraya. It took the literal death of the entire village for them to finally treat him like a person. If at that point when they hoisted him up and cheered his name in that scene and they added tiny flashbacks of the faces of those who had scowled and cursed him now smiling and a slight hint of Naruto waver in his smile then it would add so much to the way his character sees the village. After that he sees the people's love as being dependent on his self sacrifice and makes the whole idea of him being kept away from the war even worse for him.
@@nahhfam7678 he already had a character development after the pain arc when naruto meets kushina
9 minutes before you even start talking about retcons...
*#lolz*
Video starts at 8:38 Everything before is Naruto and Japanese folklore. Still very interesting, didn't know a bunch of those, but I feel veeeeeeeeery clickbaited.
Great video, but honestly, most of these retcon were unnecessary and kinda of annoying. The idea of the nine tails being brainwashed really takes away from the savage nature of the character.
To be fair he probably would have done it anyways, the brainwashing was just to make sure it attacked exactly where Obito wanted it. If I recall correctly even after the control was broken Kurama still intended to destroy the village in response to being sealed.
My thoughts exacly. It was just so that it would look more sympathetic
How was the thing with Kurama a “retcon”!?
Jason Sacuta
Originally Kyuubi was portrayed a bloodthirsty savage that attacked the village out of happenstance.
450 chapters later and it's changed that Obito mind controlled him.
I think that's really the problem with most of the shippuden retocons. By the time Shippuden came around, most people were willing to accept just about anything in the Naruto universe... but Shippuden systematically shrank the world piece by piece until the amazing, seemingly limitless world was made completely irrelevant in service of two of the least interesting characters in the series.
We didn't need the elemental chart. We didn't need to know there were only three kinds of special eyes. We didn't need the nine tailed fox to be one of a unique set of eight. Every worldbuilding detail brought in to elevate Naruto and Sasuke only diminished the world, and that made me sad.
An important note for the fight between Shukaku and the ”Kyuubi” in the first part is the fact that it wasn’t the Kyuubi at all. Naruto and Gamabunta collectively used the transformation technique to transform into the nine tails (Gamabunta told Naruto to choose something with fangs or claws, and this was what his mind came up with). This explains why they don’t interact with each other, although a surprised reaction from Shukaku would still have been fitting.
finally someone in comments realized that it is not even a retcon
In the manga, it's a one tail fox.
10:52 You got some of that backwards. In regards to Yin and Ying, Yin represents negativity and darkness, whereas Yang represents positivity and light. So, Minato actually sealed the Kyuubi's lighter half in Naruto and the darker half in himself.
The _real_ reason why the Kyuubi was such an asshole is because he spent centuries, if not millenia absorbing all of the fear, hatred, and general negativity that humanity directed at him, same as the other Tailed Beasts. Narratively, the way humanity shaped the Bijuu into evil, destructive monsters with their negative emotions is meant to mirror how the ninja villages treat their Jinchuriki, and how that treatment can drive a person nuts. Just look at Gaara. Because of the circumstances of his birth, Gaara was feared and despised, and therefore socially isolated from the rest of the village. That treatment caused him to grow into a psychopathic monster, just want everyone thought he'd be from the start. The same applies to the Bijuu, just on a much larger scale.
Dear God I'm glad someone got it. I thought I lost it and every answer on google was just giving me "Each has one inside the other". Had to bloody scroll through the comments. Damn. Thank you.
Naruto: "You can beat talent and good genes with hard work and determination !"
also Naruto: "On second thought... Screw all that, destiny decides or something"
Bruh the child of destiny thing could have went to anyone Jiraiya trained either Naruto, Minato, Nagato, Konan or Yahiko on top of that it was extremely vague it was just "Jiraiya you'll train someone and they'll either destroy or bring peace to the world" meaning it could have still went to Nagato if he won the confrontation with Naruto regardless so the prophecy is literally irrelevant and takes nothing away from the original narrative at all.
except naruto was still the chosen one and was still massively op no matter what way you look at it
being able to summon hundreds of shadow clones before even becoming a ninja just because he's an uzumaki and a host has nothing to do with hard work and determination
even if it could've been others, fact is it was still him and so no matter what he says about guts, it's not why he made it
@@Hellothere-lk7xi Which doesn't even matter as Naruto's argument wasn't about that at all but that your destiny is changeable through hardwork and determination which is literally shown in the series.
Again the prophecy could have went to Naruto or Nagato equally unto the fact the Toads prophecy actually changed at the end of the Pain Arc revealing that Naruto and Nagato were both children of prophecy when originally there was only supposed to be one proving destiny is not fixed nor predetermined at all in this universe even further backup up by the events in the late War Arc were Naruto is destined to fight Sasuke to the death yet manages to completely subvert that by saving Sasuke and himself.
Naruto being the "chosen one" doesn't invalidate or change the hardships he had to face early in the story nor does it change the fact he WAS a failure plain and simple him having great potential and eventually becoming one of the strongest in the series does not change the fact that he couldn't preform a simple clone jutsu, failed the exam twice and was slow as all hell learning chakra control.
Everything is outlined in this video here;
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@@notcensored3917 but the prophecy went to naruto. it was always naruto. from the very start, it was always going to be naruto.
so, no, no destiny was changed. he just got lucky.
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disagree with all of it if you want, but a prophecy's a prophecy.
@@Hellothere-lk7xi Your wrong lmao this is just pathetic Plague of Gripes video when it comes to the subject of destiny in Naruto is literally dog doo doo.
Literally didn't just go to Naruto could have went to anyone Jiraiya trained;
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Destiny was changed the prophecies are never shown to be 100% set in stone and are decidedly 50% inaccurate therefore every argument you've attempted to make is invalid and no he didn't just get lucky he defied destiny at every turn lmao
To be fair, Shukaku didn’t fight Kyuubi in Part 1. Naruto just did a transformation jutsu to Gamabunta.
I thought it was weird since I don't recall Naruto going full tailed beast mode ever in the childhood arcs, only up until the last arcs with his fight against Sasuke (and that wasn't even a full on tailed beast mode at that). Thanks for reminding that it was a transformation jutsu with the frogs instead of being a tailed beast mode.
Sometimes writer make mistakes and retcon help solve those contrivances. When you retcon something that wasn't flawed and decided not to build upon it is where it gets controversial.
This simultaneously made me want to write more and also reminded me of fond memories for my favorite shonen jump series! Nice work my man.
I didn't even notice these were retcons the whole time and just assumed it was all planned
When you knew the pilot before he explained B,)
When you were explaining the plot of the pilot I nearly clicked away. I was thinking you hadn’t actually done the research lol. but no of course you never disappoint great video :)
Same here, haha. I stuck around to see how wrong he'd be, then was relieved.
I was just baffled.
Yeah, except for the fact that he didn't talk about retcons in naruto in a video about retcons in naruto. It was almost 10 minutes of pointless trivia then a general expanation of what a retcon is, with a couple examples OUTSIDE of naruto(this videos clickbait), to then say a couple things about 1 retcon in naruto, not even really voicing an opinion on how that affected the overall story or if it was well or poorly done outside of,"well this recton was somewhat significant so is nice that kishi at least introduced it slowly instead of shoving it down our throats". Seriously dissapointing.
Thank you so much for this video. I serendipitously needed it. Much love.
I've been binging your videos all day, I'm really enjoying your style of writing analysis.
Not gonna lie, he got us on the first part
Watching the first part of Naruto with the retrospective of the retcon does make Jiraiya look like a terrible godfather :P
Forget Jiraya, Sarutobi is the real cunt.
Indeed, you would think Jiraya would act nicer to the son of his dear student.
lol Sarutobi is just too passive
"Naruto is like eastern Avengers"
Thor: I knew it
Naruto is honestly not a good example for how to use retcons correctly, lol. The story is a HUUUUGE mess
haha yep
How is it a big mess?
@@MrRyukami It's not. People just say that just to be negative. It's a complete coherent story.
@@MrRyukami It's a huge mess when one looks at things in a purely coherent manner. Event the lore changes from the first series, to the next. But the entire narrative is supposed to be about self-deternination, but because of all the additional crap Kishimoto was forced to make after the pain arc ended, naruto and sasuke became reincarnations driven by destiny. Naruto's biggest message was thrown aside.
Also it still makes no sense why itachi was written to be good when he helped the akatsuki (obito) basically screw the world.
Naruto's power makes zero since when you acknowledge that he only has half the nine tails. That reason definitely written in at the last minute.
The power difference between many adult characters in the original series and in shipuuden makes no sense, especially in kakashi's case.
Also, the massive difference between the lore Hashirama had in the original series, and the massive increase in his feats in shipuuden was also a huge plot hole. Naruto isn't trash, but it does suffer from being a shonen and that means constant increases in power, even when it doesn't make sense necessarily
@@MegaShinobi2011 That's because no writer is capable of writing story for two series with hundreds of episodes. You can't just expect things to be the same, how else are you supposed to put more story into a product without changing stuff?
The lore in Naruto was obviously pretty over the top because Kishimoto didn't had any plans to make powerful enemies. Even in that part things changed, like for example ninjas were required to use very long signs to even make a powerful jutsu (and chant it too) like in the Zabuza arc.
Kishimoto just created a layout for his product, he put some detailed stuff to make his first episodes very coherent but he wanted to go big. That's why you don't see ninjas chanting hand sign names, taking like forever to make a jutsu, or people like Kakashi acting like running in water is an ability that requires great skills, or that a jounin is literally a killing machine (when most jonin are barely different than chunins). The same for the ANBU's.
You need to face the harsh truth that people aren't able to map out DECADES of story. The story unfolds and creates new layers as it goes.
Please, Hashirama didn't even had any real lore in Part 1. He was literally called the God of Ninjas and that's it, it doesn't mean anything and it points out to the audience that the writer wanted that character to be powerful but didn't had the time to flesh out his past, just powerful for the sake of being powerful.
I never really felt like "retcon" could be a positive thing. Especially in Naruto, the very big changes in themes and concepts were daunting. But of course your video has shone a new light my way
Glad you enjoyed it!
To me if you add details, that's positive. If you remove important plot points, that's bad
@@alex-rs6ts Empire retconned Vader having killed Luke's father and it's one of the most iconic scenes of all time though
Akay4444444444444444 Oh for the love of... VADER’S REVEAL WAS NOT A RETCON, Obi-Wan clearly explained in Return of the Jedi that he was just talking from a certain point of view, does the internet even understand what the term retcon even means anymore?
@@Zelink108 "Return of the Jedi" came after Empire. There was no hinting Vader was Luke's father in the original Episode IV (because that plot point hadn't even been decided yet until Lucas was working on Episode V), so there is no reason for someone starting with the original movie to suspect that Obi-Wan is not talking literally. Vader being Luke's father changes narrative details established in the original movie and side materials, and is therefore a retcon.
To be fair when Naruto and Garra fought that wasn’t the real Kyubi but a transformation Jutsu of Gamabunta
He still should've commented on it
@@InconsistentContent Yes and no, it's an anime only thing, the manga shouldn't take the anime changes into account
Bro this was mad dope love the breakdown the best naruto content ever put out period. Thanks man this was great.
Wow! That was a really interesting video. I didn't realize how much Kishimoto used Mythology to create his world. That's so cool!
I had a double take when you explained the pilot plot, now I'm wondering if there's already a fan manga based off that.
Yeah, I would describe Naruto's retcons as a "slow burn".
Much like how the Centralia Mine Fire- essentially the world's longest lasting dumpster fire- is also a "slow burn".
The problem I have with this analysis is that is purports that there is some sort of formula for how major a retcon is versus how long you should spend working on it, and that if you are planning on issuing a retcon that fundamentally changes a character, lore, or the overall story of the series, that it's okay, as long as you spend a really, REALLY long time working on it and do it really carefully. In reality, that simply is not true. There are; SHOULD; be a set few unbreakable rules and premises within your story which established the basic identity, purpose, and message of the story you are writing. If you later on decide you no longer like that message, and that you would prefer to write a completely different story, regardless of its incongruence with the former part of your same-named story, then I don't think it should matter how long you spend rewriting your backstory.
If you decided that you were going to destroy your entire house, brick by brick, until it was nothing but rubble, over the next 10 years of your life, the fact that you took a long time doing it doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day, your house has been destroyed.
Are you sure any of those were retcons?
Idk your analogy goes the opposite way too. If you slowly start tearing down parts of your house, then replace those parts with new rooms or design changes then the house would not be destroyed but it would be renovated. It would be different, but not completely demolished. However, while tearing down the house certain things cannot change, like you can’t knock down load bearing walls because then everything would be knocked over. Just like there are certain things in a story that shouldn’t change or the entire story fails
are u slow r something? retcons are not only bad things? they can add to the detail and lore of the series like with naruto. naruto is a maserpiece it was never ruined
The thing about the 9 tails and 1 tail one, is that the 9 tails at the time didnt really talk much at all, just felt like an evil presence, and it wasnt even the 9 tails who attacked shukaku, it was the toad that Naruto transformed to look like the 9 tails, and he explained what the shukaku was and how he is awoken
Really well researched video. Good job
The most extreme retcon was where Naruto was essentially a 'nobody' with a demon spirit sealed inside him, but he ends up being Ninja royalty, as son of the Fourth Hokage and his mother being from a clan known for powerful sealing techniques, longevity of life and friendship with the Leaf village.
I truly believe that Kishimoto always planned for Minato to be Naruto's son, they look so similar plus Jiraiya was even apologizing to Minato when he wanted to teach Naruto how to summon Gamabunta and thought there was a possibility he could die.
I agree with all the rest, those were blatant retcons.
Funny thing is a good example of a recon in Naruto was his friendship with choji and shikamaru as it gave an other reason for why naruto didn’t hate the village that and also I just really like there interactions
0:24 I'm not gonna lie, you had us in the first part.
Imagine if himawari's dad had an anime
Not the reincarnations of her sons, but her grandsons.
Minato being not just a sage, but a perfect sage was pretty bs.
this is a wonderful and informative video id love to hear more about naruto stuff
Loved this! Thanks, it was super informative!
After reading the Pilot, i can tell you i find the story more compeling there that we got, of course, the problem of what we got, was not that bad until Kishimoto start to retcon the shit out of it. Like you said, some of there were good... but others, not so much, is honestly, a series i cannot rewatch and cannot forget, for better AND worse.
But Shukaku didn't actually fight Kyuubi, it was Chief Toad and Naruto using a transformation jutsu
Great video, it blew my mind on how many folklore legends Naruto based on.
"king of retcons"
definetly has never consumed any product from games workshop
It wasn't the real 9 tails in the beginning of the series it was a toad using jutsu
Naruto had the light (yang) half of kurama sealed inside of him
Wow solidly and thoroughly researched, precise and to the point. Love this video. Directly subscribed to your channel.
That first concept makes more sense and impact lol
The kyubi and shukaku don't fight in part one, the gian toad fights shukaku
except Naruto uses the transformation Jutsu on Gamabunta to turn him into the Nine Tails when they fight Shukaku.
he does? Man it's been so long since i've seen/read that fight that i completly forgot about that part
@@dantecrottogini529 yea, at least in the Show he does it in order to help Gamabunta hold down Shukaku.
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go to 38:04 on the video and that's when Naruto uses a combined transformation jutsu to turn into the Nine Tails.
UbinTimor
It’s still not Kurama.
Some Guy ok and? Someone transform into a carbon copy of someone you know and theirs literally zero mention of it?
Kishimoto follows the three C's... Convolute, contrive and contradict.
I swear, Kishimoto boils my piss 😂
There are many retcon in Naruto but one of the original which has most potential was retcon was the idea of whole Naruto world being a post apocalyptic world, which you can observe if you watch previous Naruto and some shippuden ep where you can see mordern building ruined some of them barely standing and occupied by some peoples, many technology of our time, which i think kishimoto was trying to show a post apocalyptic world which by the time passed became the ninja world of Naruto
Good vid, really took me back
Shippuden should be called
Naruto: Retconned
Took 9 minutes for him to start talking about retcons
5:45 Finding out that Michael's character in RWBY has straight up stolen the name of a mythical character. They didn't even try to disguise it.
The amount of retcons in Naruto make Games Workshop look consistent.
4:54
How the hell do you miss the fact that princess Kaguya is the inspiration for *princess Kaguya*
I guess it wasn't that important to video thesis and is so "in your face" that he dind't need to point out. All sorts of japanese media relates princess Kaguya, the Moon and even the bamboo spaceship in some way or another.
Howard Boen
Sorry that doesn’t work, if he was willing to point out the Son Goku connection which most people know, The you’d think he would’ve explained the Princess Kaguya one
@@boshlovely2002 But it wasn't necessary, and does work since the video is about retcons, not about all the mythology that inspire the manga/anime. He was justing naming the connections as a little trivia, there's no need to explain it all.
Howard Boen
Fair enough, but he didn’t even do the retcon part as he spent most of the video on the lore or naruto and doesn’t even mention them until around 8 mins in
Kaguya was defeated by the reincarnates of her grandsons not sons.
Hagaromo is her son
Naruto peaks at Kakashi vs Zabuza. And than runs for another 15 years.
Land of waves=Chunin exams=Sasuke Retrieval>>>>>>>literally every other arc
"His father, a much bigger fox-"
Me: Wait just a fucking minute.