Tobirama Did Not Create The Edo Tensei
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- Tobirama the Second Hokage of the Leaf Village is known for creating jutsus like the Edo Tensei, the Shadow Clone, and the Flying Raijin. However this is a retcon. Tobirama did not create the Edo Tensei or these other jutsus. He was supposed to be a water style user and that was pretty much it.
However, Kishimoto decided to make him stronger because the power levels of the series ended up higher than expected, so a Hokage like Tobirama had to be stronger.
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Why is the Danzo the best Hokage?
Rewrite when?
Oh come on
I feel Dazo's character is more grounded in the real world and this makes him more practical than the other Hokage.
Because he did nothing wrong.
@@MrMegaSuperDuperMe Not unlike Griffith lol.
I think the impressive part of Tobirama’s water style is the sheer volume he could create. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could counter Madara’s majestic destroyer flame with water style
That’s the point I was thinking about it wasn’t that he could use water style without any water it was the power of his water style without a source of water like Tobirama would counter Madara by himself if he was there at the time
@@kingbo6831 you two right this guy just didn’t read the panel which clearly said they was impressed with the volume of water not that he created it out of nothing anyone can do that create water out of nothing it was the power and volume
It has always seemed silly to me that in the fandom they give so much importance to that water style Jutsu just because of what the ANBU guy said. We see that Orochumaru revives the dead, that they seal demons into babies, others that manipulate sand with ease, and others that a pre-teen uses a fire jutsu without even burning his mouth.
But because the ANBU guy said those words about that Jutsu, now it's super relevant and a retcon, absurd really.
@@netero1682 I dont think anyone disagreed that Tobirama is a top tier water style user. Kisame might be the only one above him
@@unkown3080actually It was explained water style useds prefer to inject chakra into existing natural water to conserve energy
Its just tobirama and Kisame have so much chakra they can afford to do that
I think kakashi and zabuza in part 1 both used the water around them and didn’t create water to form their water dragons
Tobirama did not die to Kinkaku and Ginkaku. When they are brought back in the war they wonder if it was Tobirama who brought them back, so they have no memories of killing him. Another thing is that thr Kinkaku force that killed Tobirama was created after they betrayed the village, so it was probably a force to hunt them down.
Copeeeee lmaoooo
@@DygoKnight get ratio’d bum
@@DygoKnight also this entire video just comes off as you getting butthurt your favorite character loses to tobirama so you’re just crying about it for 15 minutes. 💀
@@DygoKnightis that your best argument?
@@saulgoodman1555 my favorite character hasn't lost to Tobirama because Tobirama never won a fight in the series lmao
To be fair Hashirama was also heavily retconned to be much stronger, so it's only appropriate.
ALSO you can't dog in Kinkaku and Ginkaku just because you don't like how they're written, it doesn't make them weak.
True, Just because you don’t like a character doesn’t mean their feats mean nothing. People do the same with Sakura.
@crocoboi7936 you are half right. People rightfully accuse sakura because she is literally is stupid and useless. Our hatred or lack of hatred for sakura has nothing to do with personal feelings. It is based purely on logic. Tobirama on the other hand is a different case
Ginkaku and Kinkaku get clowned on in the war arc. They don't go down fighting major and powerful characters and they get outsmarted easily in the stupidest way, falling for their own cursed item's instant death trick immediately after it gets used on them.
@@Angeljin-Fq5yx I’m talking about strength here. People say Sakura is weak just because they don’t like her character even though it isn’t true.
@crocoboi7936 sakura is weak she lacks strength. I don't think you and I watched the same show bro. Her only good moment was killing sasori. And even that feat was accomplished mostly by granny chiyo. She did most of the work than Sakura
the tobirama downplay is insane
uchiha fanbois like to misinterpret the character
He is awesome,
They did retcon him xD
For the better,
And there are some fun side effects that make him better 😀
Very shady guy....
He's danzos sensei after all.
I bet hashirama took care of hiruzen
@@dochkodochev7680 you sound shady af
It is a retcon bro , it made him even stronger and better
Nope, he was retconned as he was told like an ultimate shinobi during part I
Flying raijin requires quite a lot of chakra, as confirmed by the 3 special jonin that were alongside Minato when he was alive, he taught them the jutsu but they could only pull it off when the 3 of them combine their efforts and it's not as quick as well. Which would make sense that an "imperfect" reanimation of Tobirama couldn't use such a demanding jutsu.
It could also be difficult to master and execute quickly.
Yes, but Tobirama had already mastered it before his death@@giannixx
Bro he had an idea, things like logic and actually reading the manga weren’t gonna get in the way of that
But Minato is acknowledged as "faster" than Tobirama with the Hiraishin. As it is teleportation, I can only assume it means he can activate it more quickly.
Also the reason for Genma and the others not being able to use it alone and taking more time to do it.
I know, the only two people to master Flying Raijin was the creator of it and Minato ,greatest prodigy of the leaf village. Dunno why he downplayed it
An Edo Tensei actually can perform the Edo Tensei Jutsu. When the main cast was fighting in Kaguya’s dimension, the Edo Hokages found Madara’s severed bottom half, and Tobirama said he was going to use Edo Tensei to bring Madara back to question him.
Kabuto used Edo-Tensei throught Edo-Muu anyway, so we already saw it.
his water style was special for the amount he created on his own without a big body of water to help. The only other character that achieved that feat was kisame, and you can’t compare that to an entire battalion using water style of course all of them together are gonna make make that size jutsu. I mean like look in the early days of naruto when kakashi and zabuza needed to be standing on that river to do that massive water style.
Fr, I mean I'm sure everyone watching this video was thinking that too. Dygo is just arguing in bad faith at this point.
Which jutsu did Kisame use?
A plausible explanation about Tobirama being the creator of an (incomplete) edo tensei is because of his dead brothers (kawarama, itama). Back then people were obsessed about family, goddamn madara started spiralling because of Izuna's death, I could imagine Tobirama being desperate enough in his grief to research necromancy to bring his brothers back, and then Hashirama found out and stopped his research. Orochimaru then found his forbidden scrolls and actually perfected the technique. This all sounds fanfiction-tier but it makes sense.
The only issue with that was Madara stating the Edo Tensei was designed for war, and another technique even supports it, being the endless exploding tags attack.
It's also a part of history in which each kage created various ways of "clones" : the tsuchikage created a fission clone, the kazekage created puppets, the mizukage created a steamy clone, and the hokage created edo-tensei (and shadow clone). At this time, it seems that this world had it's own clone war.
The amount of Tobirama the GOAT slander here is insane
Tobirama powers feels more earned than Minato so i like the retcon
Tobirama creating Edo Tensei is one of the most random things in Naruto. It's much more flavourful for Orochimaru, the lich archetype, to be the creator.
Yes, but at the same time, Orochimaru's motivation is to learn every jutsu, I don't picture him as a creator as much as someone that steals information for himself and then improving upon it
I think it could be... Minato. Hear me out, at start of the manga, he really felt like, warlock/necromancer type of guy. But then he just became the "mmm fast guy with strong melee ability yes"
@@nik700 he still wants to discover stuff, so he'll probably have to create jutsus regardless
"you shouldn't do literally what your brother sacrificed everything essentially to stop"
Hey, if it worked for Sasuke, works for Tobirama
That moment you realize the chunin exams didnt used to have children but teens who are (objectively combat age) throughout most of the story.
Go look at the participants in the first test, the children stood out because everybody else was grown.
Shonen needs children and teens to be the main cast, so dygo is just being dumb.
Besides whos going to let lids participate if they dont think their ready? It wasnt mandatory
1:17 you are literally showing the text about they are being impressed about the magnitude of the jutsu without water. not about doing the jutsu without water.
Yes it's not about spitting out water . They were impressed that he could create water from the water molecules in the air coz that is something that's extremely hard to do in the Naruto universe .
Quick correction flying thunder Gard is One of the most chakra depicting Jutsu in all of Naruto.
It is so chakra demanding that it takes two Jonin level Ninjas to use.
The reason Hashirama and Tobirama didn't use their strongest jutsu against Hiruzen was because they weren't as strong as Kabuto's version of Edo.
Deep Forest emergence
@@vickykumar-km6lgBut no Sage Art or Thousand Arms
@@vickykumar-km6lg It was a really small deep forest emergence though, nothing compared to what he could do during his peak or in his later reincarnation, and what Madara did. You can hyperfocus on that he called it "deep forest emergence", but even Yamato could do bigger wood styles.
Oro was also playing and trying to emotionally hurt Hiruzen
it's like saying openhimer is a bad person because he "created" the atomic bomb technically he never "created" the jutsu the jutsu was always possible he just found out how to use it first. if anything kaguya is the worst person because she made such a jutsu possible
It has never seemed like that to me, ever since they were revived in little Naruto, it always seemed strange to me how little personality they showed, and as the ANBU guy explained, I understood that the Jutsu does not revive them as they were originally but a part, to be able to control them better. When Sarutobi seals them, Tobirama's easy expression changes considerably.
Another reason is that the fight in the manga is more a way to measure the capabilities of the Edo Tenseis, and Sarutobi thinks of something. Why do you think that Sarutobi, even knowing that Tobirama and Hashirama are Water style users, still used a Fire element Jutsu? I don't know why many in the fandom give so much attention to the Water Wall Jutsu just because of what the ANBU said? and omit other more relevant details.
The same thing happens with the third coffin, Sarutobi does not even recognize that the third coffin is Minato's, that is false, Sarutobi realizes who was in the coffins when he sees Hashirama and Tobirama. The difference is that he recognizes that it was the Edo Tensei, but not the revived people, he worries about the third Coffin because he did not want to lose any more numerical difference.
Now, if Kishimoto knew that Tobirama was the creator of all those Jutsus? It's questionable, at that point I doubt he even knew what abilities Minato had. But I don't rule out the possibility that he was already clear that the Edo Tensei was Tobirama's from the beginning.
I agree with you 100%
I didn't see it as Hiruzen stating that the 3rd coffin was Minato and that he had to stop it by all means. It was that Orochimaru is summoning additional bodies to the fight with this busted @$$ jutsu, so I better stop it while I can.
And even if so, its logical to understand that if a past Hokage who is literally known for teleporting around faster than most people can react and tagging them with frickin' miniature tailed beast bombs, is definitely the most problematic, stop that one at all costs.
And regarding the fight itself, Orochimaru knowns of what the Hokage are able to do based on written or verbal knowledge, he don't actually know the full extent of their abilities. So 1st Hokage did wood style...2nd Hokage did water style, thats what they were most known for.
They were puppets, not like in the war, where they kept their entire personality AND were Edo'd more closely to their actual power. What they did during that fight was completely limited to Orochimaru's ability to control them.
Imagine if minatos coffin was raised, and then his body just fell out of it lifeless
It would've been funny, actually
Tobirama's fault wasn't that he went too far against the Uchiha. It's that he didn't go far enough. Other than that, he literally did nothing wrong.
I was just thinking about it and Tobirama is completely right in wanting kill all of the Uchiha. Once we get to the later series and see how much they can do, Tobirama was completely justified in wanting to wipe out that entire clan. They singlehandedly could subjugate the entire naruto universe
Can't say I'm surprised by the biggest Sasuke and Uchiha fanboy disrespecting the GOAT, but come on. Tobirama probably has the greatest legacy of all the Hokage when it comes to non-war related actions (except for Hashirama founding the village I guess). The leaf would have been doomed several times if it wasn't for him.
Such as?
@@DygoKnightcreate the academy, the anbu, the chuunin exams and the police force
@@DygoKnighthe also did things like making Shinobi prioritize the village over their clan
Edo Tensei was ret conned. At first It was never stated or implied that Edo Tensei nerfs power. It just suppressed their personality.
Edo tensei was retconned specifically for Hashirama to be stronger
Naruto and Minato should be eternally grateful to Tobirama, a genius who invented the jutsus they are primarily known for (Shadow Clone and Flying Raijin). Besides Tobirama, there are other notable geniuses in other villages like the 3rd Kazekage who created his own “Iron Sand” based off Shukaku’s sand ability and Muu, 2nd Tsuchikage and Onoki’s sensei, who taught him the Kekkei Tota.
Tobirama=SWAG
Based Tobirama did everything right, except for not killing all Uchihas.
I literally just made a viral Reddit post about why he’s such a great hokage!
🐐 imo
Indeed
@@eveningstar4543Naruto is the goat hokage. He literally brought world peace 😂
@@theanimerapper6351with the help of the other kages doe
Man... I think this guy really doesn't like Tobirama
I always wondered what was the intention behind creating Edo tensei?
Is necromancy really something people considered doing in the time of war Tobirama lived through?
its something i consider every day so its not that unreasonable
Especially considering why a hokage who's supposed to be good would be willing to sacrifice someone to perform it,it makes me think Tobirama didn't actually create it but just banned it from use or he created it prior to becoming Hokage.
@@koalteufel7947 🤣
Tobirama brought back your love ones then use tandem paper bombs
@@justinarzola4584 Tobirama would most likely use his enemies for the sacrifice
What I realized when watching vids like this is that most of the time the person making the vid does not fully understand derstand the manga or anime
Honestly, I love Danzo because he’s a great representation of how far some patriots are willing to go for the place they call home by any means, regardless of how dark and twisted their methods may be. He was a very compelling character that invoked strong emotional reactions from his audience.
If his motives actually added up and he was a more likable character he was missed potential, basically he was the guy to pin what Itachi did on. He endangered the village by killing the messenger toad
@@DTheCritical Yup, shows how narrowly following a single ideal to protect/perform/execute something can harm that very thing you are trying to protect/perform/execute.
He isn’t a patriot, he is a tyrant
When he insulted Kabuto adoptive mom and threatened to stop funding to the orphanage, of kids with parents who died as shinobi, Danzo lost the last bit of respect I had for him.
A true patriot wouldn’t dare touch the children of veterans that died for his/her country
Danzi is an opportunistic parasite, not a patriot.
Danzo ordered the root ANBU not to defend the village. He let the village be destroyed by Pain and most of its residents killed hoping Tsunadi would die so he could become Hokage.
@@MMAli-rq8kd yup, Danzo is scum. An opportunist parasite is a better title for him
I could argue Tobirama didn't use flying raijin because he couldn't. It requires fuinjutsu seals on objects. No amount of power or skill can get around the fact that he needs those exact physical items. In the 4th war, Tobirama and Minato were in Konaha and then left to join the war. I'd argue they therefore had the chance to recover some of their sealed kunai to then use in the battle.
They are cousins. Can't be racist against your own family tree
I thought it would be more fitting if Orochimaru was the one who made the Edo Tensei through his dark experiments. Like why would Tobirama who was mainly a water style user, make a jutsu to summon ninja zombies?
That wouldn't make much sense( in my opinion), Orochimaru's whole deal was that he wanted to learn all jutsu,he steals/ learns jutsu, not creates them.
@@justinarzola4584good point
@@justinarzola4584To be fair Orochimaru also wanted to find immortality. And technically with the Edo Tensei your immortal since you can't die no matter what.
@@generalmituna7042 You would think he would have found a way to use it on himself or something (and negate the whole nerf thing)
Oh my! If Tobirama is so evil because the jutso he created was used for evil purposes and caused such a hugh damage to the world....Holly shit, what would be the level of evilness of Indra, who invented ninjutso!!! DAaaAamMnn! What About Hagoromo, who divided and shared his chakra with people arround the world?!?!
A lot of characters were retconned mainly being the Uchiha clan. They were given hacks, hacks, and more hacks. Tobirama created any jutsus that the future generations utilize on a regular basis. He is a creator. The Uchihas are destroyers. They destroy their loved ones to obtain more power so that they can destroy their enemies. They lack ingenuity, heart, and patience to create on their own. Stop with the Tobirama slander. He created many jutsus, the chuninn exams and many standards that the villages use in modern times.
9:13
To be fair, (from what I know) Danzo was the one who segregated them, Tobirama only turned them into the police force.
10:15
Also, didn’t Tobirama outlaw the jutsu, and put it in that cursed scroll specifically for that reason?
Danzo was also the one who explicitly ordered the massacre, years after Tobirama had died. This video wasn't meant to be honest, it's a clickbait troll video to boost the views using an astute initial observation that tobirama doesn't claim the jutsu the first time we see it being used and then using mountains of leaps stretches and deception to build to a bad conclusion because people will swarm to comment on controversy.
@@barccyVery true. It's a very disingenuous video. So many ways to argue the points he's made.
He didn't die only to kin and gin, he was killed fighting 20 S class ninjas, which is the same as saying he fought 2 Akatsuki at once. And it seems that they killed eachother. The coup was organized by thé kin-gin brother, but they weren't alone AT all.
Tobirama oppressing the uchiha was the coolest thing ever BELIEVE IT!!!!
IT IS impressive to create water out of nowhere because if you look to all water style users, most of them use the water in their surroundings. It takes too much chakra to create water by yourself instead of using it from the environment. The Mist Ninjas are DESIGNED to use water at all times, and there were maybe 20 of them using the water jutsu. It's not like everyone can create water out of nowhere. Even Itachi didn't use a water jutsu by himself like Kisame or Mei.
The biggest retcon is how in the version they showed on cartoon network they switched voices for hashirama and tobirama between part one and shippuden. Hashirama had the serious tobirama voice and tobirama had the unserious hashirama voice in part one vs shippuden.
Right. So "Tobirama Did Not Create The Edo Tensei". Just as "There Are No 9 Bijuus and 9 Jinchuurikiis", or "Kushina Was Not The Previous Kurama Jinchuuriki". Or "Minato is the Strongest Hokage". Or "There Are No Ootsutsukis Nor The Ten Tails". Not a bit of a sensationalist title, assuming that the original idea for the story is the official and canon version.
Dygos voice deepened my boy finally hit puberty 😂
I like how you can read the context on screen fly in the face of the words being said lol
Lowkey, Tobirama shouldn't have been the inventor of Flying Raijin, that should've been Minato because he's primarily known for his speed while Tobirama before was known for his water style
Senju literally means master of 1000 skills.
It makes sense tobirama has many skills
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I get that but we didn't know about the Senju Clan until shippuden. Tobirama in part one was known for his water style, Minato was always known for his speed
Orochimaru should have already known he couldn't summon Minato.
That Sasuke novel shows the Edo Tensei existed separate from Tobirama, that dude brings back all those dinosaurs
It's obvious the Edo Tensei was never meant to be Tobirama's jutsu when it was introduced to Naruto, and it was meant to be a jutsu that required a continuous chakra concentration from the user to pull off, which is why it was supposed to be impressive that Orochimaru could use more than one, and former hokages none the less. At some point Kishimoto decided he wanted to bring Madara into the storyline and used the Edo Tensei as a plot device to achieve that. I think it's very clever writing the way Kishimoto was able to get away with a full on retcon with as little plot holes as he did, and found a way of making Tobirama stand out as a unique and somewhat interesting player in the Narutoverse despite sharing the timeline with Hashirama as being the 'god of shinobi'.
I don't see how that is obvious. Outside of very few jutsu, we aren't privy to the inventors of many many jutsu. Probably because, for the most part, it doesn't really matter. It only matters under certain circumstances, like passing on a legacy or like in Orochimaru's case, "improving upon the past" jutsu.
@@lord_dhaos8300 I understand that point and agree for the most part that at the time it didn’t matter who invented the jutsu. The reason I think it wasn’t meant to be Tobirama’s jutsu is because of the symbolism. The Hokages at this point of Naruto are supposed to represent bringers of good and light and Orochimaru is supposed to be the catalyst for all things evil. Sticking to that symbolic logic Tobirama being the good guy second hokage it kind of doesn’t make sense. It’s only later in the manga that Kishimoto decides to make characters conflicted shades of grey, in my opinion.
It really should've been Orochimaru's jutsu. Something as unethical as this is right up his alley.
The same Jutsu actually help save the e ninja world. Since kabuki made a big mistake reviving itachi back (not knowing itachi gave naruto shisui's eye) prior his death
just because hashirama said something about a ninja academy doesnt mean he actually made one
Wait so tobirama is weak because he died against 2 sudo Jinchuriki and 20 S ranked ninjas while he was alone
Nah you just trying to ignore the facts
Zero thinking went into this video;
The water comment literally said "this much water". Using that logic baby Sasuke used the same jutsu as Madara, so his fire ball is not that impressive 😅
Also, Gradual reveal of information isn't proof of retcon. As the character appears in the story, the author thinks of more details and layers for the character.
It wouldn't surprise me if originally it was supposed to be Orochimaru that created Edo Tensei. Chased from the village for experimenting on the dead. Manipulating people and personally striving for immortality and making something he can control that can't die being a result.
You need to do a video on which one has more durability, the Susanoo or the rooftops the 4th and Orochi fought on cause it took zero damage during that whole fight.
This retroactive buff was done to literaly every hokage. When Hashirama and Tobirama were brought back in the classic, that was supposed to be their original power, and that was the power level expected from a hokage at full power back then. Keep in mind, Kishimoto was not planning on making Hashirama be the God of Shinobi at that point, that was supposed to either be Hirusen (who was literally being called that at this point) or Minato. As the series progressed, they all had to be buffed to become relevant again.
Hashirama was the one who got the biggest buff, and most out of context, in my opinion. I mean, the guy was a literal demi god (he could pet the nine tails like it was nothing man, that's nuts), who also happened to have broken wolverine like healing abilities (which would kinda make him a god, actually), so how haven't we heard more about him sooner, or how he died? At least Tobirama's abilities are more in line with his character.
Hikaku Uchiha actually invented edo tensei
Still waiting for the "Why Tobirama is the Worst Hokage Video"
Yeah, the power scaling in Naruto tends to suffer from the DBZ Phenomenon. The power scaling can be nuts. But I digress.
Tobirama did not die to just Ginkaku and Kinkaku...Tobirama died to them plus 18 other S rank ninja. The dude died fighting 20 akatsuki level ninja. Since when were 2 pseudo jinjuriki who can access version 2 state weak? How is that something to clown a guy over? I don't even have any particular fondness for Tobirama but the nonsense your spewing just to downplay him seriously lowered the quality of this video because it's objectively not true. Swagkage and whoever it was was who was on his Tobirama vs Kisame video talked the same shit about him because he lost to the Kinkaku force and other stuff to downplay him and that's when i had to stop watching his videos, because when he has a bias all objectively is out the window. You can dislike Tobirama's personality or the way he did things in the past but don't ever say he was weak, because that's cap. I can't even realistically see Hiruzen beating him when he's not nerfed tbh. Of all the Hokage who were revived in the war he put in the most work
Why didn’t tobirama release hisself from the jutsu like madara did
The worst part is that they retconned his entire fighting style instead of just upgrading his water release like they did Hashirama's Mokuton.
Tobirama went from elite kage level to fans not even being sure he could clear most of Akatsuki.
I like he was created a lot of ninjutsu we know in the series. I also think amping up his water style woth super unique and versatile water justus even giving him ice release being the only other user of it. A honage with kekei genkai sounds awesome. Like boiling water, large tsunamis, whirlpools, bubble seals, to high pressure water release. So much good stuff
I don't the edo tensei is a bad jutsu It saves the lives many shinobi if used correctly.
The Uchiha got what they deserved.
Change my mind: Tobirama was THE BEST hokage
I always wondered about Tobiramas reason for starting the ninja academy and the chunin exam when his brother wanted to prevent children from dying and this is the only time when someone brings it up
you talk about Tobirama not using jutsu like its his fault? Even though you acknowledge its a retcon you just used this as a video to dump on Tobirama. "Why didn't he use this jutsu or that jutsu?" Idk maybe ask Kishimoto the actually writer of the story? Also just bringing up random things like Tobirama losing to the Kingaku force like it was at all relevant to the video (16:10). If you have a hate boner for Tobirama just title the video "Why Tobirama is the worst Hokage" no need to try and hide it under the idea of you trying to talk about the retcon of Tobirama making certain jutsu.
Do you have a specific date for when the rewrite is released, it’s probably my favourite TH-camr project rn and I’m hoping to get more of it
Senju clan: "The Will of Fire prioritizes the village over the clan. "
Also Senju clan:"Only Senju or their students or their students's students or their students' students' children are allowed to be Hokage..."
Bunch of hypocritical, nepotistic scumbags. They all died out for a REASON, while the Uchiha needed to be backstabbed....
Wait a minute are you pointing out plot holes in Naruto??? How dare you this was some genuis level story telling and nothing and i mean nothing was retconned or plot holed...
As much Chakra as the FTG uses, Kishi never really explained how Minato could use it as much as he did. In fact, he never really explained how someone BUILDS UP their chakra stores.
The Flying Raijin costs a lot of Chakra it took 3 Shinobi trained by Minato who perfected the Jutsu to actually teleport. Tobiramas version is more difficult since it wasn't as much developed as Minatos. So he couldn't use it against Hiruzen.
this is false
@@Masterduel012 It's true that multiple jonin level ninja needed to work together to do a single slow one, and they certainly wouldn't be able to use it in combat. The only debatably false aspect of this is whether it's actually because of raw chakra usage, or if it's a chakra control thing. But man, if you meant that, you sure suck at making an argument.
It's true that Chakra control is a huge underrated part of Naruto.Jutsus that at one point could only be used two times in a fight can suddenly become so economical as to be spammed all over the battlefield just by grinding out Chakra control, and Minato is arguably a god at this seeing how he developed the rasengan and was the closest anyone ever got to infusing it with element before Naruto without using clones.
But if you wanna go that route, it can just as likely be argued that the Edotensei also dulls chakra control, especially Orochimarus unfinished variant.
minato is not better at hiraishin than tobirma that's am myth thats what i meant@@marzipancutter8144
Tobirama downplay is crazy, just argues in bad faith. Calling him worst hokage is wild, water jutsu part was all bad faith do i have to explain, FTG takes mass amount of chakra even you know it. The edo tensei creation part I can understand but to say he is the cause of the war or the killing of hiruzen and thats what makes him a bad person is insane. You cope to much and youre loosing ideas.
Imagine coping so hard that you re lying about every reasoning as to why Tobira is "bad" hokage when in reality Konoha would be trash without his accomplishments.
I started appreciate your videos when i started to understand that you're not trying to bring naruto down, you're just making people discover the decision changes in these types of video (i used to hate your retcon videos cuz just assumed you were spitting on naruto without any purpose but now i actually appreciate them)
Can you imagine Tobirama using flying raijin with his shadow clones. These people lack imagination
So Kishimoto's idea of buffing Tobirama was giving him worse versions of other character's jutsu and saying he invented them.
Edo Tensei? Tobirama invented it.
Shadow Clone Jutsu? Tobirama invented it.
Flying Thunder God? Tobirama invented it.
I always assumed that, since back in the day, a lot of people were dying left and right, maybe Tobirama was trying to investigate actual resurrection, as in, bringing someone completely back not just the soul in a sacrificial body, and it went south, then he dropped it or something, and then deviant ass mf Orochimaru got a hold of the research and completed it. Also, correct me if im wrong but, didn´t madara break free from Kabuto´s control by knowing what the seals for the jutsu were? I don´t remember exactly but it was something along those lines so, shouldn´t tobirama be able to quickly do the seals and break free from orochimaru as well? I guess Kishi just added that shit later lmao
We know he made the reanimation jutsu, I blame orochimaru's weak vessal body. Which hardly anyone does the math on.
Gotta hand it to Tobirama, he's one of the guys that made Naruto's generation so strong with the problems he's created as the former Hokage.
He planned far ahead
Problems he created?
What are you talking about?
Tobirama did nothing wrong?
Feel free to respond 👍
Outside of creating Edo Tensei, most of the things that went wrong in terms of the villains that were created were due to Hashirama and Hiruzen being to lax and letting villains off the hook only for them to come back stronger, like with Madara and Orochimaru (which further led to Kabuto).
@kelvinallen9327 Chunin exams. Children barely in their pre-teens fighting for their lives to serve a shinobi system while facing village level terrorist. Edo tensei, a jutsu used to play god as a massive opposing force in a war. Reviving one of the deadliest ninja in history to battle teenagers and npcs..
@@J-Hue And allowing Danzou to keep playing his power hungry games. Hiruzen and Itachi, maybe also Shisui, should have worked together to deescalate tensions before it was too late. Also, he should have eliminated the restriction that secluded the Uchiha to a particular district as an act of good will.
The problem is that Tobirama was so fucked up that he made the Uchiha take pride in things that he created and that were harming them, the Uchiha District creating segregation and a disconnect from the rest of the village, and the Police Force, making them the scapegoat and creating resentment.
9:12 What is exactly the "racism" toward the uchiha "race" that Tobirama has, besides his waryness towards the official and factual Curse of Hatred the sharingan Uchihas are so suceptible to have that have caused unmeasurable disasters(like Madara, Obito and Sasuke)? The Uchiha Police department was done out of goodwill and a certain trust to them, even though it didn't work really well, and I don't know of any evidence that his intentions were to really keep the Uchiha ostracized and to difficulty their acess to government.
The segregation in the Uchiha district came only after the Nine Tails attack, many many years after Tobirama was dead.
Did I just watch you exclude totally the Nine Tails attack out of the equation towards what caused to Uchiha Coup, and put all the blame in Tobirama? Holly shit...
For a long time i misrembered the scroll Naruto steals for Mizuki as having been written by the Second Hokage, but its credited to the First
I think it would have been better if Kishi had set up Tobirama as the smart one and Hashirama as the strong one earlier - but they werent really fleshed out characters clearly for some time
Tbh I at this point I don't consider power levels in part one canon anymore lol
only naive fruit cakes think tobirama is a bad kage, fun fact out of the kages the senju's descendants made the village operatable, ex. hashi came up with the idea, tobirama innovated the idea and made the infrastructure, academy etc, and tsunade was the cause they won the 2nd war and proposed to have healers on the squad the other kages had to uphold their legacies and hardwork by protecting the village
Tobirama literally mentions he created extra jutsus I.e paper tag bombs in edo tensei in the 4th ninja war 😂😂
Oh no, coffins are being summoned, I should stop them with shuriken rather than a highly destructive jutsu.
once again downplaying tobirama.
To be fair Tobirama had the power of Racism it helped the uchiha almost disappear
Tobirama used natural water from the air
Tobirama was not wrong. He damn near setup the whole economy for Konoha. You gonna act like this man ain't see his dead brother who was killed by Uchihas. U better put some respect on his name. Lol
when will you release another rewriting naruto episode, been more than a month now, an update would be nice
Working on it
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Hmmm
Accept dynoknight you love madara so much that you hate tobirama because he killed his brother. That's make your channel biased
When was I biased? Izuna dying is a crucial moment in the Naruto story, I never said that was a bad thing from a writing perspective. I never said Tobirama being a terrible person or Hokage is bad from a writing perspective. But if you deny that Tobirama is the worst Hokage and a terrible person, then I believe you're the biased one.
@@DygoKnight ohk in art anybody can think whatever he/she wants And I can't think I can beat you in debate but you sure love madara so much that you literally even suggested that boruto should end with infinite sukiyomoi you are based towards madara but I have a respect towards your work you are creative talented but I really feel madara biasness from you
he says he created it , orochimaru did as well , the 2nd mizukage tsuchikage and 3rd raikage said that as well. Naruto as a series is full of plotholes , stop poking at it , he just did it. You're nothing more than a hater at this point
Other water users infused chakra in their body/mouth to spit water. Tobirama can generate water out of nothing or rather out the atmosphere… sort of like how Sasuke uses Kirin. He’s using the natural element/controlling it. Rather using chakra to generate it. That’s what it looks like to me. Could be completely wrong.
A single flying raijin doesn’t require that much chakra??? Doesn’t it take 3 special Joinins to perform one?
I always thought it was weird Tobirama created it
Like who did he use as living sacrifices?
Even if they were enemies, it seems to go against the Hokage’s values and morals
Hiruzen would not look up to someone like that
But it is a retcon since otherwise, he would’ve called it the “second’s jutsu” when Orochimaru used it
Orochimaru got his arms sealed because he underestimated Hiruzen and didn’t use full power
We have to take an account that he was being controlled by Orochimaru the Second Hokage did create most of the Jutsu occluding reanimation Shadow clone Jutsu and the flying Thunder God Jutsu
Could you make a ranking of the hokage? Thir reign, impact, achievements, legacy, etc.
Dygo my man I'm getting really tired of your head canons!! 😭☠️
Uchiha fanboy hating Tobirama 😂 Nothing really weird for Naruto community.
the reason tobirama didn't use flying Raijin against heruzan is because his version of it is much more rough and time consuming to use then Minato's. it was stated multiple times that while it was invented by Tabirama, Minato perfected it. made the seal more easy. where as tobirama has to actively plant the seal on people and objects for it to work. Minato just applied his version too kunai.
Tobirama used Flying Riijin with kunai to kill Izuna Uchiha
@@MMAli-rq8kd it doesn't change the fact in the fourth war arc, tobirama himself stats that minato perfected the formula. making it less hassle to use. the reason tobirama didn't use it often was that his version required more preparation that was ill afforded in a battle situation.