Who are Sikkimese and why is the Sikkimese society so divided? | Karma Conversations | EP 04

In a huge development, the Supreme Court on Wednesday removed the observations from its judgment that described Sikkimese-Nepalese persons as “people of foreign origin”. The fine print in the observations attached with the Supreme Court’s January 13 verdict over tax laws had caused a furore in Sikkim following a controversial portion authored by Justice Nagarathna.
But what was at the core of the issue of the conflict? Was it driven by years of neglect instigated by political interests? Was the history of Sikkim disregarded? What kept the people from uniting? Who are Sikkimese? Why is the Sikkimese society so divided?
To understand the issue better, EastMojo Editor-in-Chief Karma S Paljor spoke to Kharga Bahadur Rai, president of the Sikkim Republican Party.
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[@user-yv8zq3hc9n]

Bhutia, lepcha, limbu, and mangar r the indigenous peoples of Sikkim country...
Namgyals were the King of Sikkim country..
Love you indigenous peoples of Sikkim country from Arunachal Pradesh (Tani land)

[@Liltenzin]

Not only Sikkimese the entire Nepalese speaking population is divided. EGO is bigger than Goal and vision

[@BlackChimpanzeeMeateaters]

Tero bau ego i dont think you have common senses to understand. To put it simply bahuns created all this mess+ we kiratis are just underdeveloped low iq who dont understand what’s country or culture

[@langietor]

it's true I am a al-bengali from kolkata, I recently visited nepal. Nepalis never miss any chance to humiliate Indians, Most of Nepalis from Jhpa, Ilyam looks like Indian.
Nepalis want our Sikkim and Derjeeling because It was only been in nepal for 50 years,

[@leezihanglimbu3902]

It is unfortunate that the limbus (were known as tshong people in sikkim ), one of the indigenous people of sikkim are often labeled as outsiders along with other Nepalese and they don't enjoy the same status as the lepchas and bhutias. In fact limbus and lepchas are the indigenous to this region

[@sarancherenteginkhasar1319]

tsong people rebelled against sikkim rule and created their short lived kingdom through advice of prithvi narayan shah brahmin advisors, tsong betrayed lepchas and bhutias harmony peace treaty. that why sikkim lost land westward till arun river. today dorjeling and karseong are also part of sikkim but nepali origin want to create gorkhaland and merge sikkim to nepal through gorkhaland. that is the agenda played here. original people have woken up.

[@user-in1yw9ty5t]

Limbus tried to accept Nepal as homeland . The history of limbus and the choice to align with Nepal was a bad one. Limbus fought against each other. History is unkind.

[@sarancherenteginkhasar1319]

@@user-in1yw9ty5t once a traitor, will always betray sikkim in the future too. agenda of nepali origin sikkimese is make sikkim a part of nepal.

[@user-in1yw9ty5t]

Later when migrants come to Sikkim and marry your women child and sisters. Please allow them to settle in Sikkim like all Bhutias and Nepalis settled in Sikkim from elsewhere because history is just repeating itself. It's not a unique thing. All the same. I want to see nagas calling Sikkim their original homeland once they migrate to Sikkim in rallies and join the ranks of Sikkim natives. Because Sikkim identity is so fluid and boundary less that once look at history and you can tell it's always been that. Tibetans outsiders. Some come and go like the limbus. Their own history tells that.

[@yougalyakthungba5541]

Don't speak half baked things, it's better to keep quiet then spread rubbish misinformation. When has the Tsongs betrayed the Lepchas & Bhutias when their contribution in war is clearly seen in the Gorkha-Sikkimese war.
Also remember Tsong is a title given to Sikkmese Limboo not Limboo from other places.
Here are some facts for ignorant people like you.
The celebrated Sikkimese Rong(Lepcha )military leader (Commander of the Sikkimese Rong and Tsong(Limboo) forces) and statesman from the 1700s, Changzod Yugthing Chothup a.k.a. Kabi Changzod, Athing Poi and Satrajeet is lauded in the annals of Denjong Gyalrab (History of Sikkim) for having greatly distinguished himself as a Mag-pon (general / military leader) during the Sikkim-Gorkha empire wars of the 1770s and 1780s.
Changzod Yugthing Chothup was the most successful military commander in Sikkimese history. He was instrumental in the Sikkimese resistance to the Gorkha empire’s expansionist invasions into Limbuwan and Morang (then controlled by Sikkim) during the 1770s.

[@drumsdrums29]

To all the hate comments against Nepalese, just remember, Sikkim became part of India with their terms and conditions ,hence, enjoy a lot of things unlike the rest Indians.
Besides, Nepali and Nepalese are generally peaceful and harmless people and hence time again they are facing incidents like NE and Bhutan. The day they too start fighting in the streets and roads along with the borders, no one vl be able to control.

[@dreamadventure8220]

in 1981 cenus bhutia population was 33%( 10k out of 30k) which is now reduced to 10%, reserved seat of bhutia lepcha is being under constant attack of dilution by majority nepali (80% of population) and sikkim gov itself from chamling to golay. there are widespread propogand of ridiculing bhutia community identity of tribal and aboriginal of land and community like chettri-brhamin are in queu to get themesleves tribe status by concealing their real identity and history. abolition of kashmir special should be wake up call for sikkimese, article 372 F can survive as long as you are able to maintain original agreement of it. if you dilute it for your selfish benefit GoI will too dilute it with for its benefit, income tax exemption is one such example, slowly and steadily non sikkimese are taking over sikkim. if you dont want to end up like tripura, majority nepali popultion should stop driving the mainstream politics away from communal attack and foster greater trust among the 3 sikkimese commuity

[@gromit576]

Meghalaya, Nagaland, Mizoram are like Japan and Korea. You are a citizen of that country or state only if you have it in your blood. Example: Mehgalahaya has 3 tribes; Garo, Khasi, Jaintia. You are a bonafide citizen of Meghalaya if you are of Garo, Khasi, or Jaintia blood. The rest of the people are outsiders even if you have been living in that state for 100+ years.

[@gromit576]

Tripura has 19 indigenous tribes but the whole country thinks of Tripura as a Bengali state. The majority of Tripura have migrated from Bengal, Bangladesh Sylhet, Silchar. The original tribes are reduced to minorities in their own state. This is the Tripura happening in Sikkim.

[@wakhansharma8225]

@@gromit576 Absolutely right brother.

[@randomvideos7553]

80 % nepali population.out of 32 seats only 15 seats are for nepali and still you are saying reserved seat of BL is being attacked...you are giving example of Kashmir do you know about kashmiri pandits? Bhutia lepcha are lucky that 80 percent of sikkkimese population is nepali..instead of nepali if majority were of muslims like that of Kashmir then bhutia lepchas condition would be same like kashmiri pandits

[@randomvideos7553]

@@gromit576 then according to you only lepchas are original inhabitants of Sikkim? chogyal came from Tibet nepalis from Nepal..not only tripura and nort east states every states has it's tribal population rest are all settlers ..

[@Unravel_thefacts]

Sikkim was a sovereign nation under the rule of a King. It's ridiculous how people are proudly saying,they wilfully wanted to merge the India. largely, Nepali immigrants duped by Indian RAW agents played a ominous role in destabilizing Sikkim and ultimately all paid the price. Kazi , a infamous figure is also known to have shaped the history of the Kingdom all for wrong reason. So we should get the facts straight instead of getting offended. Anyway, history aside, unity and open thinking is the only way forward. Simple logic , when Bengalis dominate the state nepalis doesn't like right? Skimm is also subjected to the same emotions once upon a time especially the loyal Bhutais ,limbus and Lepchas.
Also , today largely Nepali has become the majority and the language too almost their official language of Sikkim. Essentially the real citizen of Sikkim has been made minority in their own Kingdom. They have a their own language, their culture and tradition.
Well, now that Indian government has cleverly annexed Sikkim first , they are undertaking their second agenda. We won't be surprised if Bengalis become the majority in Sikkim some years down the line.

[@shortmovie1330]

All communities of sikkim are immigrant

[@user-in1yw9ty5t]

Don't worry Bhutias are immigrants and introduced alien culture. Nepalis are immigrants and introduce Nepali culture. Now Bengalis are evil. You have to be open and let others do the same when you have done the same.

[@zubemoodyuo226]

well, well, peaceful meager indeed.

[@sarancherenteginkhasar1319]

nepali people are economic ,migrant, tsang are tibetan tribes like bhotias, who are earlier migrants and descendants of tibetan armies from 7 century onwards.

[@rajkumarpriya3976]

Sir... Sir... Why sikkimese people discriminate Indian Origin people in Sikkim by saying Madhesi, Dhoti.. Outsider...???.। You people are taking every thinngs from the tax payers of Indian, wearing good clothes, having a good house with well furnished by all Indian goods, and you bark on Indian People.
You people are double standard.
You want to be intelllectual on equality but you don't practice equality.
Many of Nepali migrated from Nepal in last 30 year, they become the citizen of sikkimese , but Indian become outsider, madhesi, Dhoti.....
Shame on you. ...
CBI should allow to investigate sikkimese Nepali citizenship....
citizensh

[@Jayge14]

No Sikkimese have taken anything from tax paying mainland Indians. We have a special status in the country. You are right, the immigrants from other states and countries should be deprived of Sikkim Subject. However saying dhotis and outsiders, they wear dhotis and are outsider. And that’s that.

[@rajkumarpriya3976]

@@Jayge14 No Sir, you are justification is inapropriate,.... Should I always call you Only.....Nepali... becz u speak Nepali......, that would be wrong. ....
Secondly, yes ..we Indian, do provide good and services to the Sikkemese people without taking a single penny tax from the state..... Think twice on my words.
The current political situation have potential to misguide the Sikkemese people and youth which might will create Chaos.
Always speak truth, Why Sikkimese are not raising voice against Nepali Citizen who has been migrated in last 20-25 year and they have made false document through their approach.
Everyone knows this truth....
But finally they are targeting Indian Origin people.

[@aasharaii658]

​​@@rajkumarpriya3976If you don't know the history of Sikkime don't justify by yourself.

[@rajkumarpriya3976]

@@aasharaii658 Your Golden History doesn't give right to discriminate with Indian🇮🇳Origin People. Don't teach me History madam. Is it not true that in last 15-20 year, many Nepali people have migrated from Nepal and Darjeeling area to Sikkim and made false document
But Unfortunately, Nobody is raising this issue, only Non Nepali community like Indian origin people are target of Sikkim politics.
You peopl r taking medicene, sugar, salt, cement, bricks, clothes, mobile.... From Madhesh and Madhesi.... and u r discriminating with us......
Pls call us Indian 🇮🇳, I m not Madheshi, Dhoti . This is not Nepal..
Who is your PM??....madheshi
Who is Your President..??.Dhoti
Shame before discriminate....
Discrimination in any form and anywhere across the world should be punishable offense...
I M INDIAN🇮🇳 I M not MADHESI..
This is not Nepal 🇳🇵... ..

[@aasharaii658]

@@rajkumarpriya3976Hay Priya! Golden History is an evidence to every narrow minded people, who have little knowledge about history,nations or any other platform such as in the field of politicians, have you ever know about Sikkim who did included as a part of India🇮🇳 after Indian got independent which is in 1947.
So are you aware of how many States in India? If you don't know then go visit every parts of States in India so that you will experience the diversity of culture and traditional and languages.

[@ugenthinlay]

Mr Rai is an astute politician. He is speaking in Nepali that everyone can understand. His Nepali is too good and pure, otherwise.

[@akt7522]

And the whole of India thinks that Sikkimese are Chinese 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@An_athiest_boy]

And whole Nepal thinks indian wear dhoti 😂😂😂

[@lionsroar7568]

There is no community/tribe called Sikkimese. Its common citizen nomenclature of the state

[@Joh8240]

Mr Karma you don't have work to do, his words are irrelevant.