Thank you for the video, just ordered it for my Moto Guzzi V85TT an 800cc air cooled engine, fuel injected that "passes" Euro 5 emissions. You can imagine how badly leaned out it is to do that and how bad it runs from the factory. I sent the Rapid Bike to a Moto Guzzi tuner and tweaked the map according to the exhaust and intake. Can't wait to install it and see the difference. One of the reasons why I ordered it is the ability to lower the temperatures and make the bike run better in hot weather and heavy traffic. It has been almost un-rideable since day one.
+Ed Maynard overall the bike is running cooler than it did before. Even on the warmer days we have been having. As far as coming off fast idle, I haven't really paid attention to it. I usually start the bike then go put my gear on. There is a fail safe feature built in to the unit as well. If anything is not right, it reverts to stock maps. I have not checked my average MPG yet. The unit was only recently installed.
I bought this tuner from sbu, if it's not to much trouble could you send me the map you are using with your aftermarket exhaust, I have a 2017 z650 with a delkevic exhaust
Love that you showed the user interface and explained what it´s actually doing. Is there any chance that you do such a video for the rapidbike shift assist (blipper) module? Particularly the initial setup and testing procedure would be interesting as there‘s no other video showing this. Would be awesome.
That's a cool software that they provide when you purchase the ECU upgrade. Even in cars, when you do a software upgrade you never get anything like this. I like the fact that you can reduce the engine braking with the software. That's a good feature to have. Do you think the MPG is reduced because it is spitting out more fuel?
Jeff C.S I haven't checked the MPG yet, but so far it seems about the same for distance traveled before I need to refuel. I'll set the gauge to see what it averages next time I go for an all day ride.
Allowing an engine to breath better and adjusting the air/fuel and timing curves to suit that better breathing condition should not affect fuel efficiency at all. In some cases it gets better. Usually the biggest difference in MPG changes with tuning is the fact that a new fancy sound and better throttle response means the rider is going to rip on the throttle more and thereby decrease mpg as a matter of better enjoyment.
Rqpidbike told me that only dealers and tuners have access to change the base map, however in the beginning you showed the different mappings. Are you able to change them to another bike?
+Motorcycle Extremist indeed. I'm glad no one else was in production yet. This costs just a little more, but has far more adjustment and features, plus the autotuning is standard.
Did this tuner help the bike come off fast idle at start up quicker? Has this tuner helped lower coolant temps (at least one block or more on coolant block graph on bike's display) in stop and go traffic and/or at speed? Any sense of better or worse MPG? Without using an exhaust AF sensor, does this tuner have a protect feature to prevent mapping the bike overly lean since it only using the stock O2 sensor to determine AF ratio? Thanks for any input.
Hey Tremonte, did the engine break adjust make a difference? I have a 2017 ninja 650 and the engine breaking drives me crazy. If the power commander can lower the engine breaking then its worth a buy. Did it fix popping in your yoshimura exhaust?
Friend, I had the central rapidbike racing and youtune installed on my motorbike, Z1000 - 2018, I never had any problems, recently I took it to the preparer and asked him to install my tuning bike on my motorbike too, today I took the motorbike and as it runs little with the bike it starts to blink without stopping the youtune display, then it will only return to normal if i turn the bike off and on again, but after running a few more kilometers it happens the same problem again, you can help me
So the Evo adjusts fuel/air while you ride, and when you get home you can just apply those changes and that's your new map? Not much info online about the actual usage of the RB Evo. Thanks....
So you feel any difference in power and throttle response after install? Considering this over the PCV with AT because the RB Evo is supposed to tune the low end closed loop aswell... Normally after installing a full system it's the low end that causes trouble with jerky power and bad throttle response...
+janolewilhelmsen you can definitely feel the difference in throttle response. Much more smooth. The power gain could be felt as well. While it wasn't as big of a gain as the exhaust itself as far as HP, it woke the bike up across the entire power band. He did a great job on the fuel mapping.
I have the rapid bike evo KRBEVO-122 for my multistrada 1200 s 2016 model. I sold the bike and brought multistrada 950 2017 model. Can I use the same rapid bike evo KRBEVO-122 on multistrada 950?
I just installed headers and a dan moto stubby can that I shortened myself. I spit flames when I twist the throttle sometimes so I'm running rich correct? Do I need to retune my bike now and am I fine doing it myself following your video or do I need to take my bike to a shop?
Hello, my rapidbike racing can't start by itself without connecting the computer software after it is installed, and when the speed reaches 2500 revolutions or more throttles, it will suddenly turn off automatically. How can we solve this problem? Thank you My car is zx10r 2015.
Not sure if you monitor this but when I download a map the screen us just full of zeros. Was working a few days ago but uploaded a new map from Dimsport Italy to stop o2 sensor error and can't go back. From your experience is it likely a pc or RB fault. RB usa does not know!
Sounds like your O2 sensor has failed or a bad connection. Does it show zeros from the initial load of a map? Set your auto tune to 13.1, go ride for an hour and then see what it says. If still zeros, check O2 connections and sensor.
RB got it all working. The file supplied to cure a sensor error caused a problem. So autotune is working with additional wideband sensor module and their my Tuning software. The only unresolved issue is bike jerks when throttle is opened gently . Think its when it switches over from closed loop. Thanks for you help.
i really like ur channel and and ur videos also 👌👌👌👍👍👍👍... i want to buy a z650 and i am concerned about the ground clearance ... does that yoshimura alpha exhaust increased the ground clearance of ur bike? and what is ur height? i am 5'9 and i don't know that z650 gonna look cooler for me or not? thank u in advance
Ground clearance will not be an issue. Most supersports and other bikes are far lower to the ground than this one. At 5'9", you will be comfortable. The best thing you can do is go sit on one and see if you like it.
Hi i just got my evo and am about to fit but have one question. If/when the trim hits the limit of what you set it at like you had yours at 8% i think. Ive read that you are supposed to save them to the map so that you have all zeros and it can start again but how do you do this? I see there is a zero trim option at the top of the adaptive map but not sure if this is the one to press as it will delete your map right? Cheers great video👍
You don’t have to save or zero anything. With auto adaptivity turned on, set the trim levels on the high side to start then go ride. After riding 50 miles or so, look to see what was adjusted. If it’s close to the desired AFR, slide the trim down so it will adjust less. It will take about 200miles of riding for the auto tune to get a good reading across all ranges. You can save the auto adaptive map as whatever you like, reload the base map, and start again if you’d like. This is useful for track days, changes in elevation etc.
Tremonte hi thanks for the reply. I installed my evo and im blown away by how good the bike is straight off the bat. The only thing im wondering is does it really take at least 200km to auto tune. I say this because i just did 120km and plugged the laptop in and there was only 2 changes in the mid range at -1 the rest was all still 0. The bike is running amazing so is it possible that the base map is spot on or do i just need to give it more time? I was expecting a bit more movement on the table by now. Cheers
Most of the available exhausts for the 2017 650’s in America say that a remap is not needed. I assume that as it has an O2 sensor it will just adjust to the exhaust using the same emission limitations it adheres to with the stock exhaust. With that thinking I assume that it should not be a problem to put one of these pipes on without adding a fuel controller. I also understand that the performance could be enhanced by using a fuel controller as it would allow for a more performance based AFR than what the stock ECU will allow due to the emissions restrictions. Can any of you verify my thinking is correct?
+Mxdad32 Ride on! The O2 sensor is a narrowband and will only allow finite adjustment due to the inaccuracy of this style, and the programmed restrictions in the ECU. The manufacturers base the “no fuel controller needed” mostly on the condition of leaving the baffles in. Once removed, the flow restrictions decrease beyond what the O2 will be able to adjust. Even then, the adjustment takes a long time for the ECU to fully compensate. So, it’s kinda of a catch 22. Yes, you can run the majority of these without a controller.... but only if you don’t fully derestrict the exhaust. By the dyno results I had with the Yoshimura, you can run derestricted without a controller, but if you were to add any type of race or K&N filter, I would be afraid the mixture would run far too lean.
Tremonte thanks for the reply. Here is the reply I got from Yoshimura when I asked them the same question “Hello Brett, Thank you for your interest in the Yoshimura products. The 2017 Kawasaki Ninja 650 exhaust was designed to work with the stock settings on the motorcycle by re-using the stock o2 sensor. We are located in Southern California, so the motorcycles might run differently in other parts of the world (due to elevation and climate). Some customers have either added a fuel controller, or re-flashed the ecu for racing use, riding conditions, climate/elevation, and other engine modifications. There are companies that make and sell the fuel controllers, and for the re-flashing of the ecu there are a couple of ways (one is thru your local Triumph dealer) (another is getting the software to do it yourself, or even sending the ecu to a company to do it for you). I hope this helps you with your questions. Thank you,”
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any fuel to air ratio display, I believe that is the the most important information I want to see when tuning a bike. Any input on that?
+THE DRAGON left side of the screen is the O2 readout stoichiometric scale. Status screen shows O2 voltage input and output. This is the scale that tells AFR.
Tremonte: Yeah, I see now that it's me, not the system. I am used to seeing a actual fuel ratio display, I'm old school and have alot to learn about today's technology, but thats why am watching these videos. Thanks
Tremonte: I just opened a small repair shop, and can't afford much, but would love to find a system or ways to tune fuel injection bikes, and manipulate ecu's. Sorry for lack of proper terminology. I am still learning.
you'll be fine without one. Yoshimura did a great job tuning this exhaust to the bike. But, you're leaving some extra power and a much better throttle response on the table.
Looking at their website, it's a bit confusing. They list the Evo as not allowing engine braking adjustment, and have it listed for the Race version instead. Maybe it's just more fine-tuning settings available on the Race version or something? They also list it as no Ignition Adjustments for the Evo, and only for the Race version.
+Motorcycle Extremist you can adjust it, but only as an overall amount. The race version lets you adjust braking and ignition for each gear and set the rpm range and amount. EVO just lets you tune it on a basic level
OK, sounds like the Evo would be all most people would need for that then. Just to be clear, the Evo 'does" let you make changes or it will automatically make changes to the ignition of you want? If so, have you made any ignition changes with yours?
OK, I'll be watching for if and when you do some ignition work. I'm really interested to see how that works. Can that unit do ignition adjustment and management automatically?
+Motorcycle Extremist the only automatic adjustment is in the AFR for fueling. If something goes out of spec, it will reset the unit to default fueling to prevent engine damage. I probably won't mess with that for a while. My next move is toward the gearing. Lighter sprockets and changing tooth count.
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Thanks for this. I can’t believe Rapidbike doesn’t have a video explaining their program
Thank you for the video, just ordered it for my Moto Guzzi V85TT an 800cc air cooled engine, fuel injected that "passes" Euro 5 emissions.
You can imagine how badly leaned out it is to do that and how bad it runs from the factory. I sent the Rapid Bike to a Moto Guzzi tuner and tweaked the map according to the exhaust and intake. Can't wait to install it and see the difference. One of the reasons why I ordered it is the ability to lower the temperatures and make the bike run better in hot weather and heavy traffic. It has been almost un-rideable since day one.
+Ed Maynard overall the bike is running cooler than it did before. Even on the warmer days we have been having. As far as coming off fast idle, I haven't really paid attention to it. I usually start the bike then go put my gear on. There is a fail safe feature built in to the unit as well. If anything is not right, it reverts to stock maps. I have not checked my average MPG yet. The unit was only recently installed.
I bought this tuner from sbu, if it's not to much trouble could you send me the map you are using with your aftermarket exhaust, I have a 2017 z650 with a delkevic exhaust
Just bought one for my 2017 BMW S1000R. Excited to get it installed and see the results 💪
Thank you for posting this!
Love that you showed the user interface and explained what it´s actually doing.
Is there any chance that you do such a video for the rapidbike shift assist (blipper) module? Particularly the initial setup and testing procedure would be interesting as there‘s no other video showing this. Would be awesome.
That's a cool software that they provide when you purchase the ECU upgrade. Even in cars, when you do a software upgrade you never get anything like this. I like the fact that you can reduce the engine braking with the software. That's a good feature to have. Do you think the MPG is reduced because it is spitting out more fuel?
Jeff C.S I haven't checked the MPG yet, but so far it seems about the same for distance traveled before I need to refuel. I'll set the gauge to see what it averages next time I go for an all day ride.
Allowing an engine to breath better and adjusting the air/fuel and timing curves to suit that better breathing condition should not affect fuel efficiency at all. In some cases it gets better. Usually the biggest difference in MPG changes with tuning is the fact that a new fancy sound and better throttle response means the rider is going to rip on the throttle more and thereby decrease mpg as a matter of better enjoyment.
Rqpidbike told me that only dealers and tuners have access to change the base map, however in the beginning you showed the different mappings. Are you able to change them to another bike?
I'm thinking this system has put all of their competitor's backs up against the ropes. Great video, thanks!
+Motorcycle Extremist indeed. I'm glad no one else was in production yet. This costs just a little more, but has far more adjustment and features, plus the autotuning is standard.
Tremonte do you need a dyno tune with this or can I mod my bike and this auto feature does it auto tune ?
Did this tuner help the bike come off fast idle at start up quicker? Has this tuner helped lower coolant temps (at least one block or more on coolant block graph on bike's display) in stop and go traffic and/or at speed? Any sense of better or worse MPG? Without using an exhaust AF sensor, does this tuner have a protect feature to prevent mapping the bike overly lean since it only using the stock O2 sensor to determine AF ratio? Thanks for any input.
What's your opinion on this thing did it really help you pull out all the hidden power and keep Temps stable
Hey Tremonte, did the engine break adjust make a difference? I have a 2017 ninja 650 and the engine breaking drives me crazy. If the power commander can lower the engine breaking then its worth a buy. Did it fix popping in your yoshimura exhaust?
Friend, I had the central rapidbike racing and youtune installed on my motorbike, Z1000 - 2018, I never had any problems, recently I took it to the preparer and asked him to install my tuning bike on my motorbike too, today I took the motorbike and as it runs little with the bike it starts to blink without stopping the youtune display, then it will only return to normal if i turn the bike off and on again, but after running a few more kilometers it happens the same problem again, you can help me
So the Evo adjusts fuel/air while you ride, and when you get home you can just apply those changes and that's your new map? Not much info online about the actual usage of the RB Evo. Thanks....
+janolewilhelmsen there is a setting you can enable that lets it adjust all the time. No need to save it afterwards as it stores it automatically.
So you feel any difference in power and throttle response after install?
Considering this over the PCV with AT because the RB Evo is supposed to tune the low end closed loop aswell... Normally after installing a full system it's the low end that causes trouble with jerky power and bad throttle response...
+janolewilhelmsen you can definitely feel the difference in throttle response. Much more smooth. The power gain could be felt as well. While it wasn't as big of a gain as the exhaust itself as far as HP, it woke the bike up across the entire power band. He did a great job on the fuel mapping.
Hi Tremonte! Do you use the EVO module? Do you have youtune so it can manage engine breaking effects?
Bro do your fuel economy remains same like stock exhaust even after installing the yoshimura exhaust, nice video 😘
why is the tps at 5%. i'm getting some weird issues on mine, and i noticed mine was at 11%. what should it be when the bike starts up ?
I have the rapid bike evo KRBEVO-122 for my multistrada 1200 s 2016 model.
I sold the bike and brought multistrada 950 2017 model.
Can I use the same rapid bike evo KRBEVO-122 on multistrada 950?
I just installed headers and a dan moto stubby can that I shortened myself. I spit flames when I twist the throttle sometimes so I'm running rich correct? Do I need to retune my bike now and am I fine doing it myself following your video or do I need to take my bike to a shop?
Hello, my rapidbike racing can't start by itself without connecting the computer software after it is installed, and when the speed reaches 2500 revolutions or more throttles, it will suddenly turn off automatically. How can we solve this problem? Thank you My car is zx10r 2015.
Not sure if you monitor this but when I download a map the screen us just full of zeros. Was working a few days ago but uploaded a new map from Dimsport Italy to stop o2 sensor error and can't go back. From your experience is it likely a pc or RB fault. RB usa does not know!
Sounds like your O2 sensor has failed or a bad connection. Does it show zeros from the initial load of a map? Set your auto tune to 13.1, go ride for an hour and then see what it says. If still zeros, check O2 connections and sensor.
RB got it all working. The file supplied to cure a sensor error caused a problem. So autotune is working with additional wideband sensor module and their my Tuning software. The only unresolved issue is bike jerks when throttle is opened gently . Think its when it switches over from closed loop. Thanks for you help.
Do u no how to set rb base map and auto tune?
i really like ur channel and and ur videos also 👌👌👌👍👍👍👍... i want to buy a z650 and i am concerned about the ground clearance ... does that yoshimura alpha exhaust increased the ground clearance of ur bike? and what is ur height? i am 5'9 and i don't know that z650 gonna look cooler for me or not?
thank u in advance
Ground clearance will not be an issue. Most supersports and other bikes are far lower to the ground than this one. At 5'9", you will be comfortable. The best thing you can do is go sit on one and see if you like it.
thanks dude and another thing to know does that yoshimura alpha exhaust increased the ground clearance of ur bike?
After wiring the rapid bike evo to the bike do you connect it to your laptop or do you ride it and then connect to your laptop
Hi mate I only got one map in the downloads for the z650 how many did you get
So there is a program,that enables to mod fuel maps??? Where can byt this,take my monnee!
Hi i just got my evo and am about to fit but have one question. If/when the trim hits the limit of what you set it at like you had yours at 8% i think. Ive read that you are supposed to save them to the map so that you have all zeros and it can start again but how do you do this? I see there is a zero trim option at the top of the adaptive map but not sure if this is the one to press as it will delete your map right?
Cheers great video👍
You don’t have to save or zero anything. With auto adaptivity turned on, set the trim levels on the high side to start then go ride. After riding 50 miles or so, look to see what was adjusted. If it’s close to the desired AFR, slide the trim down so it will adjust less. It will take about 200miles of riding for the auto tune to get a good reading across all ranges. You can save the auto adaptive map as whatever you like, reload the base map, and start again if you’d like. This is useful for track days, changes in elevation etc.
Tremonte hi thanks for the reply. I installed my evo and im blown away by how good the bike is straight off the bat. The only thing im wondering is does it really take at least 200km to auto tune. I say this because i just did 120km and plugged the laptop in and there was only 2 changes in the mid range at -1 the rest was all still 0. The bike is running amazing so is it possible that the base map is spot on or do i just need to give it more time? I was expecting a bit more movement on the table by now.
Cheers
The base map is really good, but you will see more changes over time.
Most of the available exhausts for the 2017 650’s in America say that a remap is not needed. I assume that as it has an O2 sensor it will just adjust to the exhaust using the same emission limitations it adheres to with the stock exhaust. With that thinking I assume that it should not be a problem to put one of these pipes on without adding a fuel controller. I also understand that the performance could be enhanced by using a fuel controller as it would allow for a more performance based AFR than what the stock ECU will allow due to the emissions restrictions. Can any of you verify my thinking is correct?
+Mxdad32 Ride on! The O2 sensor is a narrowband and will only allow finite adjustment due to the inaccuracy of this style, and the programmed restrictions in the ECU. The manufacturers base the “no fuel controller needed” mostly on the condition of leaving the baffles in. Once removed, the flow restrictions decrease beyond what the O2 will be able to adjust. Even then, the adjustment takes a long time for the ECU to fully compensate. So, it’s kinda of a catch 22. Yes, you can run the majority of these without a controller.... but only if you don’t fully derestrict the exhaust. By the dyno results I had with the Yoshimura, you can run derestricted without a controller, but if you were to add any type of race or K&N filter, I would be afraid the mixture would run far too lean.
Tremonte thanks for the reply. Here is the reply I got from Yoshimura when I asked them the same question “Hello Brett,
Thank you for your interest in the Yoshimura products. The 2017 Kawasaki Ninja 650 exhaust was designed to work with the stock settings on the motorcycle by re-using the stock o2 sensor. We are located in Southern California, so the motorcycles might run differently in other parts of the world (due to elevation and climate).
Some customers have either added a fuel controller, or re-flashed the ecu for racing use, riding conditions, climate/elevation, and other engine modifications. There are companies that make and sell the fuel controllers, and for the re-flashing of the ecu there are a couple of ways (one is thru your local Triumph dealer) (another is getting the software to do it yourself, or even sending the ecu to a company to do it for you).
I hope this helps you with your questions.
Thank you,”
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any fuel to air ratio display, I believe that is the the most important information I want to see when tuning a bike. Any input on that?
+THE DRAGON left side of the screen is the O2 readout stoichiometric scale. Status screen shows O2 voltage input and output. This is the scale that tells AFR.
Tremonte: Yeah, I see now that it's me, not the system. I am used to seeing a actual fuel ratio display, I'm old school and have alot to learn about today's technology, but thats why am watching these videos. Thanks
Tremonte: I just opened a small repair shop, and can't afford much, but would love to find a system or ways to tune fuel injection bikes, and manipulate ecu's. Sorry for lack of proper terminology. I am still learning.
I just got the Yoshimura exhaust for this bike and I'm wondering if I should tune it?
you'll be fine without one. Yoshimura did a great job tuning this exhaust to the bike. But, you're leaving some extra power and a much better throttle response on the table.
did you have candles buring?! wow so romanic ! love it.
Did your bike come with 5 pin for the wide ban 02 sensors Or did you have to tap wires coming off of your ECM. For the 5th wire.
Everything was prewired and connected directly to the controller harness. The only wire that had to be tapped was the neutral indicator wire.
@@Tremonte Are you using wide ban 02 sensors
@@geraldhigdon8086 On my Ninja wihich uses a Bazzaz yes, on the Z650 which has the Rapid Bike, the stock narrow band.
Looking at their website, it's a bit confusing. They list the Evo as not allowing engine braking adjustment, and have it listed for the Race version instead. Maybe it's just more fine-tuning settings available on the Race version or something?
They also list it as no Ignition Adjustments for the Evo, and only for the Race version.
+Motorcycle Extremist you can adjust it, but only as an overall amount. The race version lets you adjust braking and ignition for each gear and set the rpm range and amount. EVO just lets you tune it on a basic level
OK, sounds like the Evo would be all most people would need for that then. Just to be clear, the Evo 'does" let you make changes or it will automatically make changes to the ignition of you want? If so, have you made any ignition changes with yours?
+Motorcycle Extremist you can make minor adjustments. I have only had the fueling and braking adjusted so far
OK, I'll be watching for if and when you do some ignition work. I'm really interested to see how that works. Can that unit do ignition adjustment and management automatically?
+Motorcycle Extremist the only automatic adjustment is in the AFR for fueling. If something goes out of spec, it will reset the unit to default fueling to prevent engine damage. I probably won't mess with that for a while. My next move is toward the gearing. Lighter sprockets and changing tooth count.
Thankyou
does superbike unltd also send their product outside the us? like in the philippines
adrian de lima you will have to email them to see.
Evo or race?
Hello if I install rapid bike that will affect my warranty thanks
I was told after asking Kawasaki, that neither installing the exhaust or Rapid Bike system will affect the warranty.