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I've been into Seiko watches since 1970. I just bought s new 24 jewel military watch. I have several more,(2 or 3) Seiko's packed away. I love watching you guys who fix watches. Fascinating ...
I remember when I was a kid, my dad “serviced” his mechanical watch, by removing the caseback and spraying a whole bunch of WD40 in there. He said if he did that every month or so, the watch would last a lifetime!
Grand Seikos are amazing! Very high quality, not always the best looking movements, but nobody has to see it. I don’t have a Grand Seiko, but a Seiko ReCraft SSC667 quartz chronograph movement, and even though I can’t afford what I want, it’s a GORGEOUS watch. Beautiful color sunburst blue and silver, and a classic Seiko case design. Such an underrated watch.
I decided I was going to replace the mainspring in my Vostock Komandirskie. I thought I would just undo a few screws and replace it. Well I always wanted to repair watches and as I am retired at 74, I have started late. Well I got the mainspring barrel back in and some of the other bits , but there was a spring that controls the date ring rounded strip, and when I dismantled it, it was just lying there. I could not figure out how the tension was held. I have three cogs and the regulator to put back, and hopefully it will work ! I learn a lot from these videos. One thing though. I took the old mainspring barrel out, pressed down and had a screw driver holding the old spring in. When it looked safe I took the screwdriver away and there was no spring inside ! I thought it must have flown out so I checked the floor for about an hour. It was about 4 am before I gave up and next day I went over every inch of floor, with a magnet, my wife also used a broom with a felt cloth. We could not find it. I don't remember anything flying out, so I am baffled as to what happened to it. Excellent video ,thank you.
Many thanks for watching, glad you find them informative 👍🏻👍🏻 oh springs are the enemy I’m afraid, always looking to escape and you would be surprised how far they can fly 😔 it happens to the best of us
Great video. One point of criticism though, you placed the c-clip upside-down. Doesn't matter much, but it makes the life of the next watchmaker a bit harder.
Many thanks for watching. oh dammit, I hadn't noticed, thanks for pointing it out. Better than forgetting the rotor I guess 😅 In the years to come I don't think the next watchmaker would mind too much if he knew what I have been through with this one heh
@@HorologyBiology I guess there are worse things, yes. Like dipping a watch in an oil tanker. I have seen a lot of watches with too much oil, but this one....flabbergasted.
@@Incogito12358 28.02 The C-clip has a chamfer on one side, which should be at the bottom, so one can pry it loose with a screwdriver. If you place it the other way around, with the flat side down, you have a very nice time getting something underneath it to pry it loose, without damaging the day-disc.
I love a vintage Seiko, I am surprized that the dial for a Grand was so run of the mill, I have a Seiko LM special from 1971 with the linen dial and I thought the Grand would be more special although it looked far better after removing all that chip fat. Great job Horology, well worth the watch and great commentary to boot.
Thanks for watching and commenting Francis. I don't think the camera does it total justice. It does have a more mat texture to it hence why once the oil was off (or as best as I could) I was brushing it a lot which buffed it up similar to leather. The amount of time spent on the dial was longer than the whole of this video for sure 😂
Just found you through watching Marshall at wristwatch revival. Great content man just starting getting into time pieces watching his videos and now yours! Keep it up and thanks for showing a new world! Congrats on the 10K!
Man thats some oil! Thing is I find oil filled movements very satisfying but unlike you will just drop the parts in Renata (solvent) first to clean off the oil so I am not sacrificing the cleaning fluids in the machine. That dial was next level stuff, never seen oil sit like that! absolutely insane. As for the diafix shock setting ( horseshoe ones on the bridges) its a Seiko trademark. They have been using them for decades. You just pull it back a bit to let the tab out and hinge them up to get the jewel. removing the whole thing, whilst you made it look really simple, fitting them back on if totally removed for most mortals is a right pain and they are often lost as a result. I personally clean them, put back in and then oil with the 1A auto to make it simpler. I never oil both pallets yet Seiko insist on it in all their technical guides then again I don't like to be told what to do (PMSL) Thought it was a great video, nice camera angles and I am assuming a scope camera at work to? Keep up the good work! Lastly if you dont mind, the C clip brass C shaped clip to hold the day wheel. you put it on the wrong way up. It looks like the shamfer should go up but it actually goes down. The reason for this is so you can then lever it back off without damage. Now its the wrong way up it will be harder for the next watchmaker to remove on service. Seiko often print the orientation on the day ring to be sure but I dont think it said it on this movement.
Not normal oil haha. I'm so used to just oiling the exit jewel of the pallet fork so did find it strange when I was looking at the data sets that they clearly say do both. I would have thought it would create drag but obviously they know best. Yes you are right about the C clip. A couple of others mentioned this and I corrected it (along with fitting the rotor lol) I can see how it would have been much harder to remove. An old oiler helped to lift it just enough to get a very small screwdriver in to pop it up. Thanks for watching you Seiko Guru 💪🏼
In 1979 I owned three beautiful Seiko automatics. The following year included an on the job injury, unemployment, and a divorce. All three watches were pawned, never to be retrieved. Very sad - they were different models, but all handsome on my wrist. I got a nice Seiko quartz dress watch in 1992 as a present. Darned if it didn't quit running in only ten years of occasional wear, despite several battery changes. I still have it, with a worn leather band, and I'll try a new battery replacement again unless I can find a better idea.
I was 3 years old when you owned them 😅 Sorry to hear you had to let them go and couldn't get them back. Are you 100% sure you exchanged it for the correct battery as it might fit but just hold a much lower charge.
Always liked the Seiko brand. Have owned a few self winders over the years. Purchased an Orient self winder a recently. Very happy with that watch and the self winding mechanism. Recently subscribed and I love watching the videos. Thank you for your time and good luck with then new lighting.
this watch is insane, compared to a swiss watch it looks like it is way easier to service, even if it has more complex mechanisms Maybe the owner didn't want rust inside, an awful mistake but what a clever way to keep it running
Thanks for watching. I wouldn’t say they are easier so to speak. Also it’s really not a good idea as it wasn’t running at all because of all the oil. 👍🏻👍🏻
When you said it took like 5 min for the watch to unwind I thought immediately that that's probably the predecessor of the spring drive: the oil drive, or the oil escapement!
Awesome job! What a great watch that went through a lot of trauma. Kudos of restoring this beauty. Also, make a shirt that says "Not normal"! I'd buy it. Cheers!
Greatvideo, earned my Like and Sub. Your camera work and talking patter are as good as anyone in horology on YT. I think the lighting is a bit harsh, or maybe just overly reflective, but that is so minor I onll mentioned it to try to add constructiveness to my comment. FYI, circular lighting is a pet peeve of mine, especially for faces, because the circular light creates weird and zombie like circles of reflections off eyeglasses and eyes and just about anything the least bit reflective. Keep up the good work! I'll be watching!
Thank you very much for your comment and watching. Glad to have you onboard the HB train. I do hear what you are saying about the lighting on some shots. The main problem is the led ring light underneath the microscope. It creates such a reflection even though I have the microscope at quite an angle from the watch. I'll get there 💪 Thanks again
I don't remove those shock springs, just disengage the single tab by backing it up and leave the two fingers attached. Once the tab is pushed back you can slide the shock cover toward the disengaged tab and out of the way of the cap jewel leaving it attached by its two "feet" Then slide it back in position and push the nose "tab" under the slit. Pretty easy....
Not good! But certainly no where near as bad as dunking the whole thing in a bucket of oil 🤣 at least you aimed for some of the right places 👍🏻 Thanks for watching
I baught a Rotary off ebay with a lovely AS 1704/05 with date and it was swimming in oil too it was discussing, cleaned it by hand and machine 3 or 4 times the oil was years old too and had gone like a gel, nice now though and i had fun fixing and servicing. Grand Seiko make excellent watches, mad inovation too. looks like you had fun with this high beat GS, 36000 vph. Cheers. 👍
Very nice to hear Dave, sounds like you did a great job. You are right, it is a love of it that helps and of course a great sense of accomplishment when you know you have a good end result that you put your heart into. Thanks for watching and liking 👍
5600 movements are amazing. My personal best is a 1972 KS 5626 that was serviced last year and it runs at +5/day, averaging 280 amplitude and 48 hours of power reserve.
I'm the proud owner of the GS Shunbun Cherry Blossom Spring Drive and the Tentagraph High Beat chronograph. I love these marbles of design and engineering. I don't own any Swiss watches.
Hi, enjoyed watching mate great stuff, i myself got a Rotary from ebay, 34mm mechanical A Schild 1705 with date and it had oil everywhere, that had turned into a type of gel, so much cleaning by hand and machine it's a lovely movement, really like the date change mechanism, but it was terrible to clean, around 5 cleaning cycles, great video cheers, i like GS very underrated they are great watches the high beat calibers and spring drive, their quartz movements are excellent too, super accurate jeweled quartz are great, Swiss are excellent too, i do like moast watches, cheers.
Thanks for watching. Nice catch with the Rotary, also a very old brand now and stil going I believe. The quality of the GS watches are really something special. I'm still looking forward to working on a modern one. Cheers
Oil is our friend, my friend. It prevents rust and easily and completely dissolves in common solvents. Actually, in this case, it will take far less time to clean compared to rust and gunk.
The e-channel which I was talking to you about a guy filling his watches with oil is Mission or Mission Watches. Will have a dip stick soon on watches 😂
Liked, subscribed and now commenting. 😉 Great restoration! I noticed also you replaced the leather strap for a bracelet. Very nice.. and with regards to toilet paper, Confucius he say, "man who drop watch in toilet have crappy time"! 😄
In answer to the question of oil, he e you seen a video about filling a data quartz watch in oil. It works fine e on a quartz watch (no moving parts). Vernon.
Fluorinert is the fluid to use. It's optically clear & a great dielectric fluid, pricey though but I got mine very cheap as it was life-ex for it's normal use. I have three quartz filled with it & running perfectly for last 10+yrs. Wonderful dial /hands visibility, super quiet, damped second hand and only loses about 5% battery life due to slightly higher consumption on the quartz rotor drive. Changing batteries whilst submerged in fluid is quite a challenge though!
Thanks for watching. A few also mentioned this. I corrected it. It wasn't that bad with an old oiler to just lift it enough to get a fine screwdriver under it. I'm more a Swiss guy :)
I'm lucky enough to own several vintage Grand Seiko including both a blue dial 5645-7010 & a white dial 5645-7010 both boxed & running well, the 56 movement is somewhat over engineered as you say & comes with a no. of faults in very nearly everyone (the date change) these are great watches BUT box & papers is no guarantee of a good watch & potential buyers should ask for a photo of the movement if possible & sets can easily be made up by buying the watch then the box & a generic certificate (this certificate is not number specific to match a movement unlike some) great video.. Thanks for your post..
Dipped! Call for the oil well worker. Ah, there you are. A job 'well' done. A lot of good information about the Grand Seiko. As usual, Super interesting. Thank you
I actually made a video containing a lot of the tools I used. Many of the basics can be found on Amazon and I think I did give some links. Check for the video on my channel main page 👍🏻👍🏻
Unless you have an unlimited supply of Rodico, I keep my used One-Dip (or Dip Away) in an old container. Then you can soak each part to get the oil off before you put them in the cleaner. Not trying to be over critical, but I see so many on channels like this that use Rodico for everything and it seems like a waste. If I used it like that I'd be throwing it away on every watch I worked on. I also think I would have swished that dial in warm soapy water as a test to get the oil off of it. I try not to ever rub a dial, but you really had a tough one to clean. Great job overall!
As a mechanic, this sigh is very commun but, i would never expect to see this in a watch like that!!! I think the last to "service" that watch just though "4pm on friday with hot date at 7... needs to be done kuze bff with the boss... sure!"
I'd have been tempted to just done a dunk and shake in brake cleaner (without the date wheel and face of course) as a pre-clean. That was an impressive amount of oil.
Hi, i have seiko 23 jewels 1994 model watch and it always stops near 12 pm (near date/week change place). Before placing the watch idle i have well rotated wath by hand but still it stops near 12 pm. Any solution for this issue. Kindly suggest
I have a theory maybe it stopped running and a previous owner was worried about it rusting and decided to dip it in oil and threw it in a drawer. I know this is a stretch and only a theory but it is the only “logical” theory I can think of. lol I know I’m grasping at straws
I can guess only what happened. 1st owner had some problem with watch. maybe was not accurate enough? so have decided to open it and take a look what is inside... Have noticed that there is nothin obvious wrong, no parts are loose or missing so have decided to put some oil in it to help run "more accurate". How do I know? ;) I've done something like that in the past as well :D
About 1971 my boss was training me on a cheap Japanese printing press that apparently was built with suspect metal. Moving parts wore out quickly even bearings. His instructions were clear: If it moves, oil it. If it doesn't move, oil it 'til it does.
Not sure if this was already mentioned but I thought the timegrapher would have shown a beat count well over 28.8k bph since this was labeled GS Hi-beat
Thanks and thanks for watching 👍🏻 yeah they seem to be really hard to find and if you do they are at insane prices. I don’t experience it even remotely as bad with vintage Swiss
@@HorologyBiology thanks for that ,I only habe a 7S26 all my others are swiss small rose Tudor,611 Omega,565 Omega and some otheres, like you say spares are around .Thanks
Can you let us know what you paid for it? I just picked up a 4522-7010 hi beat great condition (replacement seiko strap) looks almost like new old stock except for a few minor scratches. Not polished for $875.00
Nice, I'm thinking that although it's tested to 5 positions and temperature.. this watch dates to a time when the Swiss withdrew COSC testing from Seiko? As there's not a 'Chronometer' mention on the dial?
Thanks for watching. I think they did in the late 60's early 70's then it became a requirement that the watches had to be made in CH in order to have the COSC testing. I might be wrong.
Grand Seiko models had their own internal testing standard, which the watches were certified with. More strict than COSC, if I remember correctly. That's why GS were never certified chronometers, only some King Seiko models were tested externally.
True story: In 1969 a semipro wannabe softball player friend just had to break in his new expensive glove in time for the weekend tournament. So he poured two quarts of 30w motor oil in a bucket and squished the whole glove into the motor oil. Within minutes the oil permeated every bit of the leather, inside and out, but he actually left it in the bucket for several days! He never was able to remove the excess oil, not by any means. Glove was ruined, oil was wasted, and he had to play using an old glove until he bought a new one and gave it a more conventional break-in using commercial leather conditioners. This watch reminded me of that 50+ year old memory.
oh my what a waste! but I'm not surprised by this, I have heard of many stories from people dunking their watches in oil thinking it will run or (my favourite) putting it on the radiator to 'warm' up the oil !!!
@@HorologyBiology oh dear god! Radiator to “warm up the oils” is a whole different level of energy. People truly can be astounding in their ignorance sometimes.
The movement seems very scratched. Would that be considered normal wear ? Some scratched seem to be caused by the gearing or the barrel, but others seem to have random patterns.
It would be a combination of both imo. It's also really hard to say on this one as we don't know it's history. Maybe the dunking was the last resort. I know there was wear in the barrel which was caused by the spring. Some people think more oil is good but in essence it's actually worse as over time it becomes abrasive and can also cause a lot of wear. Thanks for watching 👍
@HorologyBiology Not good. Not fresh. Just starting watching your channel today. Love your show. Fresh. Yes sir. Nice and Fresh. I hope you hit your subscriber goals. You are awesome.
Ah the old school mechanic. If a little oil is good a lot must be better! Some people should not even own tools. Whomever owned that GS is a perfect example.
Thank you very much and thanks for watching. To answer your question I would much rather have a modern Grand Seiko over a modern Rolex any day. However I do like some of the vintage Rolex watches.
Ohh, As a watch nerd, I would nod my head at that .... but deep down I can't get over that sweep fro ma spring drive :D I'd be more than happy with either but no idea why that spring drive does it for me :D @@HorologyBiology
Next time (probably never) you get to work on a movement as oily as this one do the following. Get a brake cleaner spray can and a plastic bag. Put the poor thing into the bag and bathe it in plenty of cleaner. Shake the bag gently for a while and most of the oil will be gone. This procedure will save you a lot of time and toilet paper. Not to forget all the complaining it will save you :-)
Brake cleaner = naphtha = same stuff that you swish whole timex movements in! It's a great degreaser/cleaner for those rare extreme times needed. Also adding 2% oil to naphtha & using it to clean & lube eta reverser wheels, rather than the silly expensive stuff that's specified. Works very well.
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That watch needs a Dipstick. Was it a quart low ?
What a mess.
Great video 👍🏻
What a mess that watch was!
I'm surprised the US wasn't knocking on your door after that discovery.
hahaha that's a good one lol. Thanks for watching 👍
Hurts my heart seeing a seiko movement in this condition. Glad you give it the love it needed
You and me both! It got that HB TLC. Thanks for watching
Seiko Friday 💥boom💥 that was a dirty job but well played 👌🏻
Did they find this in an old Honda car engine in some dusty ol' garage in Tokyo?. 🤣.
Amazing restoration 👏
It had to have been dunked in oil for sure. No way it can look like it did in a normal situation
I really enjoy watching how you repair watches. I like to see new life given to these mechanical wonders.
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching 👍
That is the most oil I've ever seen on a watch. I guess oil is better than rust. Lol. Great video. Thank you Matt
Same Darryll, a nasty mess. Thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻
Great restoration. I love seeing a classic non-runner brought back to life, now it can be worn and enjoyed for decades to come.
Well said! Nothing better than bringing something back to life to be enjoyed for many many years to come. Thanks for watching and liking 👍
i love the grand seiko im going to japan in november to hopefully buy one. this is the first grand seiko restore ive watched thanks heaps,
I've been into Seiko watches since 1970. I just bought s new 24 jewel military watch. I have several more,(2 or 3) Seiko's packed away. I love watching you guys who fix watches. Fascinating ...
I remember when I was a kid, my dad “serviced” his mechanical watch, by removing the caseback and spraying a whole bunch of WD40 in there. He said if he did that every month or so, the watch would last a lifetime!
🤣🤣🤣 dad moves 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Legit technique for a Timex
@@alanmckinnon6791timex made oil filled watches way before Sinn and Ressence
Grand Seikos are amazing! Very high quality, not always the best looking movements, but nobody has to see it. I don’t have a Grand Seiko, but a Seiko ReCraft SSC667 quartz chronograph movement, and even though I can’t afford what I want, it’s a GORGEOUS watch. Beautiful color sunburst blue and silver, and a classic Seiko case design. Such an underrated watch.
You are so right about the GS. Lovely watches, thanks for watching
I decided I was going to replace the mainspring in my Vostock Komandirskie. I thought I would just undo a few screws and replace it. Well I always wanted to repair watches and as I am retired at 74, I have started late. Well I got the mainspring barrel back in and some of the other bits , but there was a spring that controls the date ring rounded strip, and when I dismantled it, it was just lying there. I could not figure out how the tension was held. I have three cogs and the regulator to put back, and hopefully it will work ! I learn a lot from these videos. One thing though. I took the old mainspring barrel out, pressed down and had a screw driver holding the old spring in. When it looked safe I took the screwdriver away and there was no spring inside ! I thought it must have flown out so I checked the floor for about an hour. It was about 4 am before I gave up and next day I went over every inch of floor, with a magnet, my wife also used a broom with a felt cloth. We could not find it. I don't remember anything flying out, so I am baffled as to what happened to it. Excellent video ,thank you.
Many thanks for watching, glad you find them informative 👍🏻👍🏻 oh springs are the enemy I’m afraid, always looking to escape and you would be surprised how far they can fly 😔 it happens to the best of us
Great video. One point of criticism though, you placed the c-clip upside-down. Doesn't matter much, but it makes the life of the next watchmaker a bit harder.
Many thanks for watching. oh dammit, I hadn't noticed, thanks for pointing it out. Better than forgetting the rotor I guess 😅 In the years to come I don't think the next watchmaker would mind too much if he knew what I have been through with this one heh
@@HorologyBiology I guess there are worse things, yes. Like dipping a watch in an oil tanker. I have seen a lot of watches with too much oil, but this one....flabbergasted.
What is that? At which second does that happen?
@@Incogito12358 28.02 The C-clip has a chamfer on one side, which should be at the bottom, so one can pry it loose with a screwdriver. If you place it the other way around, with the flat side down, you have a very nice time getting something underneath it to pry it loose, without damaging the day-disc.
I love a vintage Seiko, I am surprized that the dial for a Grand was so run of the mill, I have a Seiko LM special from 1971 with the linen dial and I thought the Grand would be more special although it looked far better after removing all that chip fat. Great job Horology, well worth the watch and great commentary to boot.
Thanks for watching and commenting Francis. I don't think the camera does it total justice. It does have a more mat texture to it hence why once the oil was off (or as best as I could) I was brushing it a lot which buffed it up similar to leather. The amount of time spent on the dial was longer than the whole of this video for sure 😂
Just found you through watching Marshall at wristwatch revival. Great content man just starting getting into time pieces watching his videos and now yours! Keep it up and thanks for showing a new world! Congrats on the 10K!
Welcome aboard! Many thanks for the watch :)
Enjoyed this video as a newish horologist myself. Subbed and looking forward to watching more of your content.
Welcome aboard! And thanks for watching 👍🏻
Man thats some oil! Thing is I find oil filled movements very satisfying but unlike you will just drop the parts in Renata (solvent) first to clean off the oil so I am not sacrificing the cleaning fluids in the machine. That dial was next level stuff, never seen oil sit like that! absolutely insane. As for the diafix shock setting ( horseshoe ones on the bridges) its a Seiko trademark. They have been using them for decades. You just pull it back a bit to let the tab out and hinge them up to get the jewel. removing the whole thing, whilst you made it look really simple, fitting them back on if totally removed for most mortals is a right pain and they are often lost as a result. I personally clean them, put back in and then oil with the 1A auto to make it simpler. I never oil both pallets yet Seiko insist on it in all their technical guides then again I don't like to be told what to do (PMSL) Thought it was a great video, nice camera angles and I am assuming a scope camera at work to?
Keep up the good work!
Lastly if you dont mind, the C clip brass C shaped clip to hold the day wheel. you put it on the wrong way up. It looks like the shamfer should go up but it actually goes down. The reason for this is so you can then lever it back off without damage. Now its the wrong way up it will be harder for the next watchmaker to remove on service. Seiko often print the orientation on the day ring to be sure but I dont think it said it on this movement.
Not normal oil haha. I'm so used to just oiling the exit jewel of the pallet fork so did find it strange when I was looking at the data sets that they clearly say do both. I would have thought it would create drag but obviously they know best.
Yes you are right about the C clip. A couple of others mentioned this and I corrected it (along with fitting the rotor lol) I can see how it would have been much harder to remove. An old oiler helped to lift it just enough to get a very small screwdriver in to pop it up.
Thanks for watching you Seiko Guru 💪🏼
Rust free, excellent... nice video, good job. Very enjoyable. John
Thank you very much!
In 1979 I owned three beautiful Seiko automatics. The following year included an on the job injury, unemployment, and a divorce. All three watches were pawned, never to be retrieved. Very sad - they were different models, but all handsome on my wrist. I got a nice Seiko quartz dress watch in 1992 as a present. Darned if it didn't quit running in only ten years of occasional wear, despite several battery changes. I still have it, with a worn leather band, and I'll try a new battery replacement again unless I can find a better idea.
I was 3 years old when you owned them 😅 Sorry to hear you had to let them go and couldn't get them back. Are you 100% sure you exchanged it for the correct battery as it might fit but just hold a much lower charge.
Great video, im just starting to get into collecting & videos like yours are really informative, thank you.
Awesome, thank you! and thanks for watching 👍
Always liked the Seiko brand. Have owned a few self winders over the years. Purchased an Orient self winder a recently. Very happy with that watch and the self winding mechanism.
Recently subscribed and I love watching the videos.
Thank you for your time and good luck with then new lighting.
Thanks for watching 👍
this watch is insane, compared to a swiss watch it looks like it is way easier to service, even if it has more complex mechanisms
Maybe the owner didn't want rust inside, an awful mistake but what a clever way to keep it running
Thanks for watching. I wouldn’t say they are easier so to speak. Also it’s really not a good idea as it wasn’t running at all because of all the oil. 👍🏻👍🏻
When you said it took like 5 min for the watch to unwind I thought immediately that that's probably the predecessor of the spring drive: the oil drive, or the oil escapement!
😅😅 Thanks for watching
Wow, at cars you´l flood the engine for preservation... the amount of oil looked like that... nice job! Thx for the eford!
Thank you! and thanks for watching
Awesome job! What a great watch that went through a lot of trauma. Kudos of restoring this beauty. Also, make a shirt that says "Not normal"! I'd buy it.
Cheers!
Thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻 🤣 that’s a funny idea for a shirt
I've watched to the end now another great video love how you present and what a great watch Super fresh sir.
Much appreciated thanks Andy. Definitely looks better at the end 💪
Hi, new to the channel. Great video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the sub 👍🏻
Greatvideo, earned my Like and Sub. Your camera work and talking patter are as good as anyone in horology on YT. I think the lighting is a bit harsh, or maybe just overly reflective, but that is so minor I onll mentioned it to try to add constructiveness to my comment. FYI, circular lighting is a pet peeve of mine, especially for faces, because the circular light creates weird and zombie like circles of reflections off eyeglasses and eyes and just about anything the least bit reflective.
Keep up the good work! I'll be watching!
Thank you very much for your comment and watching. Glad to have you onboard the HB train. I do hear what you are saying about the lighting on some shots. The main problem is the led ring light underneath the microscope. It creates such a reflection even though I have the microscope at quite an angle from the watch. I'll get there 💪
Thanks again
I don't remove those shock springs, just disengage the single tab by backing it up and leave the two fingers attached. Once the tab is pushed back you can slide the shock cover toward the disengaged tab and out of the way of the cap jewel leaving it attached by its two "feet" Then slide it back in position and push the nose "tab" under the slit. Pretty easy....
Thanks Mike, do you still have enough room though so you don’t disturb the oil when you pop it back?
Absolutely
I am sure that took a lot of time. Congratulations on achieving the result you got.
Thank you!
I have also committed such silly mistake with my SEIKO 5 watch in my college days! I opened back cover & added oil on each Rubi!😮
Not good! But certainly no where near as bad as dunking the whole thing in a bucket of oil 🤣 at least you aimed for some of the right places 👍🏻 Thanks for watching
Great job on the video ,Awesome watch. Now we know why there is an oil shortage LOL. Just found you and just subbed
You legend! Thanks for watching and the Sub! 💪
Great video. I do like that You use brass tweezers. This does not leave scratches.
Brass tweezers all the way 💪🏻💪🏻
I baught a Rotary off ebay with a lovely AS 1704/05 with date and it was swimming in oil too it was discussing, cleaned it by hand and machine 3 or 4 times the oil was years old too and had gone like a gel, nice now though and i had fun fixing and servicing. Grand Seiko make excellent watches, mad inovation too. looks like you had fun with this high beat GS, 36000 vph. Cheers. 👍
Very nice to hear Dave, sounds like you did a great job. You are right, it is a love of it that helps and of course a great sense of accomplishment when you know you have a good end result that you put your heart into. Thanks for watching and liking 👍
5600 movements are amazing. My personal best is a 1972 KS 5626 that was serviced last year and it runs at +5/day, averaging 280 amplitude and 48 hours of power reserve.
Very nice! thanks for sharing
I'm the proud owner of the GS Shunbun Cherry Blossom Spring Drive and the Tentagraph High Beat chronograph. I love these marbles of design and engineering. I don't own any Swiss watches.
I wonder if this belonged to a mechanic and it dropped into an oil pan. That is my best explanation. 😂
Maybe so. It had to have taken a dip in something for sure. Thanks for watching 👍🏼
love it, thanks for making the video.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching and liking 👍🏼
That’s not normal HB but end result super fresh super nice. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Thanks Bruce, appreciate the watch 💪🏼
Hi, enjoyed watching mate great stuff, i myself got a Rotary from ebay, 34mm mechanical A Schild 1705 with date and it had oil everywhere, that had turned into a type of gel, so much cleaning by hand and machine it's a lovely movement, really like the date change mechanism, but it was terrible to clean, around 5 cleaning cycles, great video cheers, i like GS very underrated they are great watches the high beat calibers and spring drive, their quartz movements are excellent too, super accurate jeweled quartz are great, Swiss are excellent too, i do like moast watches, cheers.
Thanks for watching. Nice catch with the Rotary, also a very old brand now and stil going I believe. The quality of the GS watches are really something special. I'm still looking forward to working on a modern one. Cheers
Oil is our friend, my friend. It prevents rust and easily and completely dissolves in common solvents. Actually, in this case, it will take far less time to clean compared to rust and gunk.
Thanks for watching. There are limits concerning oil. This was way way beyond the limits!
Looks great, good job done 👍
Thanks Bertie 💪👍
The e-channel which I was talking to you about a guy filling his watches with oil is Mission or Mission Watches. Will have a dip stick soon on watches 😂
Hmmmm, I will have to have a look for this for sure 👌 😅
Liked, subscribed and now commenting. 😉 Great restoration! I noticed also you replaced the leather strap for a bracelet. Very nice.. and with regards to toilet paper, Confucius he say, "man who drop watch in toilet have crappy time"! 😄
Thanks very much and welcome aboard 👍 Insane amount of oil and...... toilet paper lol
In answer to the question of oil, he e you seen a video about filling a data quartz watch in oil.
It works fine e on a quartz watch (no moving parts).
Vernon.
I haven't seen that one. Sounds interesting 👍 Shame it's not the case for mechanical 😅
There’s a thought that it’ll be (submerging in oil) a quick fix on a mechanical watch. Seen it before unfortunately!
Fluorinert is the fluid to use. It's optically clear & a great dielectric fluid, pricey though but I got mine very cheap as it was life-ex for it's normal use. I have three quartz filled with it & running perfectly for last 10+yrs. Wonderful dial /hands visibility, super quiet, damped second hand and only loses about 5% battery life due to slightly higher consumption on the quartz rotor drive. Changing batteries whilst submerged in fluid is quite a challenge though!
Great job. But you have put the day disc ring retainer upside down 😁. It will be tough to remove now. I’ve done this mistake a couple of times
Thanks for watching. A few also mentioned this. I corrected it. It wasn't that bad with an old oiler to just lift it enough to get a fine screwdriver under it. I'm more a Swiss guy :)
thanks i like your channel its very interesting to watch
Thanks for watching!
I'm lucky enough to own several vintage Grand Seiko including both a blue dial 5645-7010 & a white dial 5645-7010 both boxed & running well, the 56 movement is somewhat over engineered as you say & comes with a no. of faults in very nearly everyone (the date change) these are great watches BUT box & papers is no guarantee of a good watch & potential buyers should ask for a photo of the movement if possible & sets can easily be made up by buying the watch then the box & a generic certificate (this certificate is not number specific to match a movement unlike some) great video.. Thanks for your post..
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻 I have also heard about those date wheel issues. It’s a plastic gear that’s the problem. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
interesting video - i thought you might have cleaned some of the oil out while fully assembled.
I just dabbed up as much as I could on the disassemble to help the cleaning machine. Thanks for watching 👍
Dipped! Call for the oil well worker. Ah, there you are. A job 'well' done. A lot of good information about the Grand Seiko. As usual, Super interesting. Thank you
Thanks Ross, glad you enjoyed. Stay away from those deep fried watches 😅
@@HorologyBiology Had two cheap Seiko's like your oil well. Cleaned as you did, twice. My balances never recovered. Count never got above 110. Aaagh!
@@rossjackson3670 Ohhh that really is low Ross
@@HorologyBiology level of my skill unfortunately. More practice needed.
Can you link to your watchmaking tools? I would like to get into it but i dont know where to start? Or how much it costs.
I actually made a video containing a lot of the tools I used. Many of the basics can be found on Amazon and I think I did give some links. Check for the video on my channel main page 👍🏻👍🏻
Unless you have an unlimited supply of Rodico, I keep my used One-Dip (or Dip Away) in an old container. Then you can soak each part to get the oil off before you put them in the cleaner. Not trying to be over critical, but I see so many on channels like this that use Rodico for everything and it seems like a waste. If I used it like that I'd be throwing it away on every watch I worked on. I also think I would have swished that dial in warm soapy water as a test to get the oil off of it. I try not to ever rub a dial, but you really had a tough one to clean. Great job overall!
Thanks for watching 👍
I hear you and for this I had to use tissue paper, definitely an exception to the norm with this watch
@@HorologyBiology Yeah, it was a challenge, and you did great!
What is the blue coloured compound that you apply? Is it some form of grease?
That is Moebius 9504 grease. Great stuff!
As a mechanic, this sigh is very commun but, i would never expect to see this in a watch like that!!! I think the last to "service" that watch just though "4pm on friday with hot date at 7... needs to be done kuze bff with the boss... sure!"
I was very very surprised. I've never seen one that bad before and probably never will again. Thanks for watching :)
I'd have been tempted to just done a dunk and shake in brake cleaner (without the date wheel and face of course) as a pre-clean. That was an impressive amount of oil.
Don’t do it 😅
Oil in a watch is better than water !😉😉
Very true
Quedó precioso, exelente trabajo, felicidades
Thank you very much 😀
I hope somebody bought that watch a dinner after lubing it up like that. 😁
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New subscriber, your content is very entertaining! Super nice ;)
Awesome, thank you for the sub. Stay Fresh 💪🏻💪🏻
Hi, i have seiko 23 jewels 1994 model watch and it always stops near 12 pm (near date/week change place). Before placing the watch idle i have well rotated wath by hand but still it stops near 12 pm. Any solution for this issue. Kindly suggest
Maybe the hands are touching each other at that point resulting in it stopping the watch. No idea without assessing it. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
I have a theory maybe it stopped running and a previous owner was worried about it rusting and decided to dip it in oil and threw it in a drawer. I know this is a stretch and only a theory but it is the only “logical” theory I can think of. lol I know I’m grasping at straws
I can guess only what happened. 1st owner had some problem with watch. maybe was not accurate enough? so have decided to open it and take a look what is inside... Have noticed that there is nothin obvious wrong, no parts are loose or missing so have decided to put some oil in it to help run "more accurate".
How do I know? ;) I've done something like that in the past as well :D
🤣 I respect your honesty 100% 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
About 1971 my boss was training me on a cheap Japanese printing press that apparently was built with suspect metal. Moving parts wore out quickly even bearings. His instructions were clear: If it moves, oil it. If it doesn't move, oil it 'til it does.
Oh this bath of oil !!
Nice job
Hello to France
Thanks very much. Greeting to 🇫🇷 from 🇳🇱 👍
They simply took the watch for an oil change at their local garage.
Seriously, perhaps they tried to oil fill it like someone would a quartz.
Not sure if this was already mentioned but I thought the timegrapher would have shown a beat count well over 28.8k bph since this was labeled GS Hi-beat
Some of the older GS hi-beats did run at 28,8 though :) Thanks for watching
Have you ever done a Braille watch? that would interesting
That’s an interesting question as they do exist. I’ve seen a couple of vintage ones in the past but never owned one. Great question 💪🏻
How much do you charge for a full cleaning and rebuild like this?
Best to email me, Thanks for watching 👍
Maybe this watch got water and the pre owner flooded it with oil to prevent oxidation
Good call but there was no water present in that oil, it Wouk’s have been very noticeable
Nice job ,pity you could not obtain the correct mainspring. Is the supply of spares for Japanese watches a major problem ?
Thanks and thanks for watching 👍🏻 yeah they seem to be really hard to find and if you do they are at insane prices.
I don’t experience it even remotely as bad with vintage Swiss
@@HorologyBiology thanks for that ,I only habe a 7S26 all my others are swiss small rose Tudor,611 Omega,565 Omega and some otheres, like you say spares are around .Thanks
Can you fix a voltaire for me please?
It ticks but hands don’t move
Ouch! Best to email me 👍 Thanks for watching 👍
Can you let us know what you paid for it? I just picked up a 4522-7010 hi beat great condition (replacement seiko strap) looks almost like new old stock except for a few minor scratches. Not polished for $875.00
Oh it's a clients watch. My bad.
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Sounds like a good price
Nice, I'm thinking that although it's tested to 5 positions and temperature.. this watch dates to a time when the Swiss withdrew COSC testing from Seiko? As there's not a 'Chronometer' mention on the dial?
Thanks for watching. I think they did in the late 60's early 70's then it became a requirement that the watches had to be made in CH in order to have the COSC testing. I might be wrong.
Grand Seiko models had their own internal testing standard, which the watches were certified with. More strict than COSC, if I remember correctly. That's why GS were never certified chronometers, only some King Seiko models were tested externally.
I think you may have put the c clip on upside think its bevel down to aid removal very enjoyable video have subscribed
Great eye, as I actually did 100% put it on upside down 😉 I corrected it. Many thanks for watching and the sub 👍
I would have complained a whoooole lot more. Great job. Thanks.
🤣🤣 Thanks for watching 👍🏻
True story: In 1969 a semipro wannabe softball player friend just had to break in his new expensive glove in time for the weekend tournament. So he poured two quarts of 30w motor oil in a bucket and squished the whole glove into the motor oil. Within minutes the oil permeated every bit of the leather, inside and out, but he actually left it in the bucket for several days! He never was able to remove the excess oil, not by any means. Glove was ruined, oil was wasted, and he had to play using an old glove until he bought a new one and gave it a more conventional break-in using commercial leather conditioners. This watch reminded me of that 50+ year old memory.
oh my what a waste! but I'm not surprised by this, I have heard of many stories from people dunking their watches in oil thinking it will run or (my favourite) putting it on the radiator to 'warm' up the oil !!!
@@HorologyBiology oh dear god! Radiator to “warm up the oils” is a whole different level of energy. People truly can be astounding in their ignorance sometimes.
What video did you say was averaging 90 views a minute? Closed captions didn’t capture it correctly. Thanks! Love your videos!
Thanks for watching. It was the Ali express watch video I made
“Mad fresh” 🤣
😅 Thanks 💪👍
Good Job ! ⌚👍
Thanks ✌
I’m not used to clicking on a video and have the thumbnail not lie about how extreme the video is going to be.
No click bait around these ends mate 👍 Thanks for watching :)
It looks like 30W Kendall motor oil from 1965.
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Why didn't you just use the old spring after cleaning off the oil?
Kinked
Sguidgeness- that word alone got you a subscribe
Grand Seiko is on my want list.
Awesome watches for sure. Thanks for watching
Good content.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 👍
The movement seems very scratched. Would that be considered normal wear ? Some scratched seem to be caused by the gearing or the barrel, but others seem to have random patterns.
It would be a combination of both imo. It's also really hard to say on this one as we don't know it's history. Maybe the dunking was the last resort. I know there was wear in the barrel which was caused by the spring. Some people think more oil is good but in essence it's actually worse as over time it becomes abrasive and can also cause a lot of wear. Thanks for watching 👍
i have a vintage diantus watch, i want you to work on it brother, the winding mechanism doesn't work
Thanks for watching. My contact email is in the About page of the channel 👍🏻👍🏻
At least there is now way you will find rust😂
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Do you also service/restore quartz watches?
I only do mechanical watches :) Mainly vintage as well.
Thanks
Somebody wanted to do a hydro mod but stopped halfway. LOL.
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Super fresh now.
Thanks for watching
the last watch serviceman applied lubricant generously.
The man knew no boundaries 🤣
I think they had a scotoiler on it
Might have missed it in the video but, is this normal?
No! it is beyond not normal !!
@@HorologyBiology 😂😂😂
Would it have damaged the watch if you dipped it in acetone to dissolve some of that oil?
No not a good idea as some parts are too fragile for that, E.g the pallets. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@HorologyBiology Not good. Not fresh. Just starting watching your channel today. Love your show. Fresh. Yes sir. Nice and Fresh. I hope you hit your subscriber goals. You are awesome.
I lost count on the word, "oil". LOL
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They put s little drop of WD-40?
Can be as possible that all that oil can from the spring case ?
It was flooded for sure
@@HorologyBiology yes can come for a flooded situation
Takk!
Thank you so much 😊
Ah the old school mechanic. If a little oil is good a lot must be better! Some people should not even own tools. Whomever owned that GS is a perfect example.
🤣 Bob telling it how it is with zero hold back 💪🏻💪🏻 Thanks for watching 👍🏻
Perhaps it was being preserved to be placed in long term storage in some sort of time capsule? 😂
Did you replace the day wheel?
hahah that's a good one. yes the day and date were replaced as the owner had better examples to use.
Very nice video and stunning watch at the end.
Questiion time would you sooner have a Grand Seiko or a Rolex?
Thank you very much and thanks for watching.
To answer your question I would much rather have a modern Grand Seiko over a modern Rolex any day. However I do like some of the vintage Rolex watches.
@@HorologyBiology Good man ! :D
Ok, next question: spring drive or hi beat?
@@Trevorpartington-yc6ri Hi-beat
Ohh, As a watch nerd, I would nod my head at that .... but deep down I can't get over that sweep fro ma spring drive :D
I'd be more than happy with either but no idea why that spring drive does it for me :D
@@HorologyBiology
Next time (probably never) you get to work on a movement as oily as this one do the following. Get a brake cleaner spray can and a plastic bag. Put the poor thing into the bag and bathe it in plenty of cleaner. Shake the bag gently for a while and most of the oil will be gone. This procedure will save you a lot of time and toilet paper. Not to forget all the complaining it will save you :-)
Thanks for the tip! But I would be concerned about the dial. Unless of course you meant remove that first :)
@@HorologyBiology
Goes without saying! 🙂
Brake cleaner = naphtha = same stuff that you swish whole timex movements in!
It's a great degreaser/cleaner for those rare extreme times needed.
Also adding 2% oil to naphtha & using it to clean & lube eta reverser wheels, rather than the silly expensive stuff that's specified. Works very well.
Goed gedaan.
Hartelijk bedankt 👍