Within the first few seconds I noticed the hand stack is correct. ✅ Then you demonstrate the jumping hour. ✅ Serials ✅ correct movement and cam type movement screws ✅ All looking good so far and it's a lovely watch 👌
Yes, as professional torture declined, professional dentists increased. Merely a coincidence? I think not! I never knew this, but makes perfect sense. Amazing insight.
a dentist once explained to me that I should enjoy and respect the pain since I was the one who disrespected the teeth earlier... - most dentists I have been to were torturers, I am glad that I have found my dentist after a long, intensive search - thx god, good dentist do not have to be torturers. Thanks for the channel and your always super interesting videos.
Would it really matter? Kind of...but not if he didn't know it was fake. If it's good super clone, it really wouldn't matter that much except when you go to sell it.
@@JohnBowl14690 of course it matters. your personal perception of having on your wrist a well deserved watch is kinda different of having a fake watch, especially if you paid it as a regular one.
@@gian_zx1197 - Yes, but again....If he THINKS it's real, he will THINK he has a genuine Rolex. In the end, the only way he will find out is if he sells it. He might never find out. Many people keep these watches in the family and never sell.
There are fake/clone Rolexes at every price point from $40 to $1000. The market now allows you to get ripped off buying a cheap fake when you thought you were getting a good fake. The ability to buy a $1000 clone Rolex really tells you the value of their name alone. As long as you are getting what you thought you were buying, it's not a scam.
Wonderful video; but what else can we expect. I was thinking last night, that if they made watches 20 times bigger, I might just be able to service one like you. You're dealing with 'nano lego', while I'm struggling with 'Duplo'. All the best Stian, tusen tak for your great show.
Nice! The fast jumping data function seems to be a good way to spot a fake one without even open the watch. It is probably the most expensive and difficult mechanism to reproduce without making the watch lose some some seconds close to the jumping time due to friction.
Wow, the finish on that movement just blows my mind, that Said, in the “good ol days” the finish on a pocket watch could go even further in beauty and not to forget,back in the day, it was made by hand. Thanks for the nice explaining throughout your service 👍🏻
The finish is just okay, nice perlage and striping. But to the level of blowing one's mind? The high horology watches today can go toe to toe with old pocket watches when it comes to hand finishing. Lange handwerkunst, Phillipe Duffour, Romain Gauthier, Grand Seiko micro artist studio, just to name a few.
It’s a trash finnish compared to a Patek. Still it’s obviously beautiful and in my eyes deserves a sapphire backplate. Honestly the Rolex 4130 movement although not finished like boutique brands is in my eyes the most beautiful. It’s like a Ford GT-40 in its ferocious and simple design unlike the clearly more beautiful Ferrari super cars. To be honest I’m more of a Pantera guy so not even that level of detail and beauty. (Look up those cars, beauty but only from 15ft away. Just brutal power with nothing but power and savagery without purpose. They don’t handle, they don’t feel good, and close up they are dirty and ugly. But they are powerful and really cool.)
@@the_snoproLange, yes. A Patek is finished to the bare minimum for haute horoligie really. There is a reason why Phillipe Duffour says the greatest watch from a non independent watchmaker ever made is the datograph and not a 5070p.
It hurts now too! Treatment of periodontitis will always be painful, as they clean the canal where the nerve used to be, and reach the affected area of the bone And that's more expensive than five fillings. Double the pain.
@@hibahprice6887 Nah its not that bad. They do my teeth with 3 canals couple of days ago. More than my teeth hurt me to pay 100 bucks for that and another 100 for white dental filling :D
I have an Omega Seamaster. It got to where it was losing about half a minute a day. I sent it to Nesbit's in Seattle. It wasn't cheap but they serviced it and it came back beautiful, operating very smoothly and losing 2-3 seconds a day. It was fun watching this to get an idea of what's inside a nice watch.
How much was the damage? I started collecting this yr,I have an affinity for chronographs. Now I've heard they need servicing every 5 yrs & could be as much as 1500$,ouch
@@richardmorris6365 It was $700. Still running great. Some days it loses no time at all and never more than 2 sec. They have the longest warrantee at 3 years.
I was trying to explain this on another thread. I was recounting how a submariner cost £360 back in 1980. Someone replied to my comment that couldn't I understand that it was simply inflation. I think the price increases since then are a lot more than inflation.
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv It's so ridiculous now that the market is full of speculative buyers, in it for the 'investment'. Never mind the immense risk of treating a manufactured product as a commodity, but they have paid a price for that lately. So absurd. A tool watch. Turned into a trinket-investment-luxury brand through ignorance.
@grzegorzmontar8432 thank you this is the point I was trying to make when I was pounced on by the world's leading economic expert. Rolex prices are 30+ what they were in 1980 way above inflation. Basically in the 2000s they revamped themselves in a higher luxury sector of the market. I was a junior clerk in the civil service in 1980 taking home about £350 a month an older worker would be averaging about £500 as you rightly say. Even I an 18 yo junior clerk could aspire to a Rolex. Today a submariner is a £10k+ watch. The 18 yo civil service clerk would need to be earning £120k per year.
I'm not even a huge Rolex fan, but for some reason they are my favourite brand for videos like this. Like you said, things just seem to fall into place, and while not as elaborately decorated, I enjoy the simple and smart designs of these movments. It makes for a satisfying video of their servicing. Thanks!
Oh, lubricants have improved immensely over the last few decades. You don't have to go many years back before organic lubricants were commonplace, nowadays they're pretty much all synthetic. That makes them last much longer.
I really enjoy watching your videos and the skills you have. Your narration as you go through the process of your servicing is precise and well explained. This watch is certainly a beautiful timepiece and am glad that your friend found out that the watch is genuine. I have subscribed to your channel. Keep up the good work you do.
It always is a pleasure watching you work on a high quality movement. On the other hand, now that the alpine snows are melting, isn't about time for you and your watch hunting moose to go out and find a rust bucket special to bring back to life? You and the family continue to be well.
Price is only what you will pay for it. There are lots of alternatives for watches. If you can't afford a Rolex don't buy one. I know it's hard to feel emotion through text, so I am saying this statement in the least rude way possible.
So true. When a chinese knock off can't be reliably identified, and costs 30X less than the real thing, you know the real thing is overpriced. I know that because I own a Starbucks sub, and bought a replica, so as not to risk the real thing so often. At times I've confused the rep with the original. The only way I know for sure which is which is by looking at the serial number.
@@the_snopro Being able to afford doesn't mean you should. Or judging something as overpriced doesn't mean that you can't afford it. When a manufacturer with lower means and resources can make a 98% perfect copy of a product at 10-100x less than the genuine cost, only a vapid and dumb person would still justify and argue about one's ability to buy said product. I'm saying this in the least rude way possible.
I honestly don't get why these guys making high-end knockoffs don't just start their own watch lines. I get that you don't have the "pedigree" of faking the brand name, but some of these fakes are so well-made that you'd think they would want to establish themselves as their own thing.
Another entertaining video. Thanks for sharing. I have the newer 42mm white dial version in my collection and it's my go-to travel watch besides my Tudor BB GMT black dial.
Yes, I have a mid nineties 16570 polar dial myself - watch is absolutely correct. Even more so than mine. Rolex service swapped out the tritium hands on mine for super-luminova at some point - his are original and lume shade on the hands matches the hour markers. It's actually an example of why you should be wary of having Rolex service your watch after a certain age. They can change out dial parts that actually devalues the watch.
Yay!!! A new video! Question for you… I have a watch with the same (kif I believe) shock settings, and for the life of me, I cannot find them. One of mine is broken and needs replacing…
Not that I intend to take up watch making. I’m just totally fascinated with your skills and the mechanics of watches, but the strength of those springs would frighten the life out of me. Another great video Stian. Stay safe. Mick.🇬🇧
Great video, as always. Loved the cat section. If you haven't seen it already, the New Yorker magazine ran a cartoon with two cats and a cave woman, where the cats are saying to each other "we can kill and eat her now, or we can let her live and she'll feed us for the next 15 years." The title of the cartoon is "The First Cats to be Domesticated."
I see that you have had a similarly deprived childhood to myself. In my case, when going to school, I, too, have had to trudge through meters of snow. Uphill. Both ways.
A very nice video as usual. Thank you. Would you mind sharing some names of watches brand that you feel are a good value. I'm currently interested in Blancpain and Glashutte Original (with exhibition case backs). I don't expect to be buying an A. Lange Sohne any time soon.
Just looking at the font of model and serial number and the way it is stamped between the lugs; with experience you can spot if it’s fake or not. The copies never seem to get that detail right! (Thankfully!)
Yes Stian, your dentist story reminds me of Monty Python's Four Yorkshiremen sketch. "Ohhh when I wooz yoong, we used to get up in the morning at half past 10 at night, half an hour before we'd gone to bed...." Recently I had a root canal and crown. The pain on one particular treatment was so bad I passed out in the chair. I'm an active type, mechanic by trade turned long distance truck driver. I live off grid, cut my own firewood so the point is pain is not unknown to me. Without hesitation I can state this, my 2nd root canal treatment, exposed me to the most pain I have ever felt in my life - including an arm break where my fingers were almost touching my elbow. My system just couldn't handle it and out I went like a light. I never passed out when I broke my arm. Woke up drenched in sweat then had to continue with the treatment after they gave me an orange juice. I had a 14 hour shift starting 1 hour after the treatment. And they say you can't remember pain ROFL... I'll never forget that day in this or the next 10,000 lifetimes. Re cats, down here in Australia it's not unknown for us to have a deadly snake or two about the place. In fact they're common. You haven't lived until you've had an eastern brown in your house. Cats are exceptional snake controllers. Snakes just don't like cats. My gnarly old male (GRHS) dealt with them decisively while my other cat watched on. Now she won't tolerate them. Since the cats are around no more snakes or rodents. A necessary evil are cats.
😳 I'm not a religious man at all but I'll happily pray to all gods that ever existed to avoid that experience... Ouch And yes, cats are very fascinating. Their reaction times are two or three times faster than a snake can strike, so I can imagine they're great to have in a country where everything can kill you :) Australia is a fantastic place btw, with some of the nicest people there are 💪
I would suggest that you’re either someone who has a resistance to the anaesthetic or that you need to find a different dentist. I’ve had two root canals in my time and have never felt a thing. In fact, I think I fell asleep in the chair at one point for a minute during the second one.
Man, I’ve had all sorts of procedures done on my teeth (one time the apprentice/assistent had to be replaced because she became unwell due to the graphic nature of a procedure) and never ever felt any pain. I have no problem asking for additional anesthesia from my dentist (he always makes sure I’m in no pain and always proposes extra anesthesia when I need it) I actually have more discomfort from keeping my mouth open for extended periods of time than actual pain. Either get a new dentist or just perhaps maybe you’re resistant to anesthetics…( if that’s the case there are gasses that can help, I think).
The moment you put it on the timegrapher… I figured it wasn’t fake… I came across a high end fake and the movements aren’t that accurate. It was a super fake and it wasn’t terrible on the timegrapher but it was along the lines of a cheap Seiko automatic.
*Good job, Stian. It's nice to hear impartial comments from a non Rolex fanboy who knows many watches. Rolex timepieces are good but too expensive. I have one and believe in them BUT the prices are eye-watering.*
for this specific watch, when u wound up/adjusted the hour, there was already a slight sign that it is real. haha the "wiggle test". this specific 16570 movement at that time, if u adjust hour independently, theres like a little bit of "wiggle/wobble" on the 24hr hand. that is evident of the genuine movement, for this specific watch at that period. they probably fixed it at the late 3186 movement. but yea, haha
Good job but you have to press the glas out from the bezel and put ist first on the case then u press the bezel over the crystal and the gasket from the crystal
Replace the entire balance is an option, and the bezel, dial/hands and crystal are all tells, but on an Explorer, after you've done that lot in gen you're probably only £1k off the price of an actual gen! Definitely worth going that route on a GMT m2 though.
Stian, hows your project coming along?? For some reason, inspite of me having subscribed, the notifications dont come through. Btw, out of interest, did you perform a P test on the case? Kind regards from the Forest of Blackness. Mike
😂 The secret one that you don't want to talk about!!! Though, I feel sure I know what it is... Mine has faltered. Involves iwc 7906. Neither are for this level of communication. Stian, lubrication of plastic or nylon pinions. Extreme light oil? Y or N? Will message you. Bw von zer Fazerland. Mike.
Thank you for another great video, Stian! Leaving out the hacking lever/bar when reassembling a movement has to be one of the most common and annoying oversights. One question regarding the epilame/fix-o-drop. I don’t know how much epilame surface treatments have changed over the years, but the epilame used by some movement makers such as Omega decades ago on the movement plates and bridges was very durable. It would survive a few cycles through ultrasonic watch cleaning machines. If Fix-o-drop is anywhere near as durable, I doubt that using pithwood to clean it off the escape wheel pivots will actually remove it. It might be interesting to dip the pivot into a drop of 9010 after cleaning it in pithwood to see if the oil is still repelled or not.
Oh yes, that hacking lever lying there in the tray when everything else is not... Yes, the epilame is said to be that durable still. But it comes off more easily with physical rubbing, which is why it comes off in pith wood and also on the pallet jewels when the escape wheel rubs against it. But it might indeed be interesting to see what happens after prodding the pivots into the pith 🤔
When the Dentist found out that the next patient was a giant watchmaker he remembered when he paid for his last Rolex service and it was now payback time I mean Hammer Time. What no trouble in paradise. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
[Fun(?) fact] I don't drink and don't do drugs. At my age, i can get the same effect by standing up too fast. (internet wisdom LOL) PS Luckily not at that age, so.......
Every single time that you use those Tweezers, everybody reading should respect that 100% of accuracy to remove the tiniest of parts, cannot be done by anybody so deftly & skillful in their preferred life's work. Many of those tiny parts are springs which are also in some tension or compression. If (for example), I attempted to remove all parts, those tiny parts store enough kinetic energy to propel those tiny parts (at a high speed) - and never to be found again!! It's happened to lots of us! Sir, you have a very special skill! Greetings from Australia.
Nope, that's the original lume and the only way to "fix" it would be to relume all the hands, which the owner did not want and which I wouldn't do even if asked. It's better to keep the watch original with a tiny flaw in the lume that isn't very visible to the naked eye.
How in the world do you remember how to put it all back together? I'm serious. Is there, for example, a convention in watchmaking that all the screws for the internal movement will be the same size, length, and thread?
After doing it a few times you start seeing the logic :) There is no convention for screws, they come in all kinds of sizes, but there are commonalities in what types of screw heads are used for different purposes.
One thing that I noticed, was that (before the Watch became Hermetically - Sealed), wouldn't it have been better if the common air was first removed, and replaced with N2 gas. There would be absolutely no humidity whatsoever, to form minute reactions (inside the Watch and trapped forever), and acting negatively on all internal metal parts. I have never heard of any Watch Maker ever doing this. But do they? I hope that they do this - on extremely expensive Watches. It would be a cheap operation these days, to replace with N2.
Hello Peter, it would indeed be much better to not have air inside the watch but it's not that straight forward to pump air out and some other gas in. Helium is used in professional diver's watches and then you also need special valves etc. Air in itself isn't a big issue to the metal parts, it's when you combine it with moisture that you really have a problem on your hands :)
I bought a brand new "Submariner" Rolex back in the mid-60s for diving. Years later the stem was in need of replacement so I took it to what thought was a reputable jeweler. I got the watch back weeks later, but upon checking it closely later, I found the second hand was not "sweeping" as it should if it was a genuine Rolex; instead it was jumping as a fake digital Rolex does. I'm contain either the jeweler, or whomever they sent it to exchanged the genuine Rolex action for a cheap knock-off digital!! I still have the box, the emblems, and the guarantee with the watch serial number, so I may yet see if I can trace where the real watch action went!!
That sounds bad but they didn't necessarily change the movement, that would be downright fraud. There is a little friction spring in these movements that makes the seconds hand move smoothly, and if this spring isn't secured properly, the hand will stutter and move in larger increments. Perhaps that's what happened? You should have the watch checked at your local watchmaker asap to make sure!
I worked with someone back in the late 90s who was bequeathed a rolex watch from his late father. He told me, because it was a 1956 model, it was worth £10, 000 more than the 1957 model. Is their any truth in this ? He was inclined to talk bollocks
Another classic ‘cheap Rolex’ issue is that of component replacements that have been made from counterfeit or incorrect components. Polish weddings if you will.
I laughed out loud when you removed the back. Brilliant!
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@@VintageWatchServices Hearing that very British exclamation "blimey", did make me chuckle. 😁
Lol same here😂
My jaw dropped too!
@@ramblerandy2397 for a moment there I thought he moved across the English channel and jumped back once again
My friend asked me if my Rolex was real, I opened it up, said yes, then completely disassembled it.
Within the first few seconds I noticed the hand stack is correct. ✅ Then you demonstrate the jumping hour. ✅
Serials ✅ correct movement and cam type movement screws ✅
All looking good so far and it's a lovely watch 👌
I'm quite amazed to see that you didn't have to replace the rotor axle. Those are notorious to go on the 31 family. Also the clip wares down.
Fun video to watch as always. The bit about the torturers and dentists was pure gold!
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Yes, as professional torture declined, professional dentists increased. Merely a coincidence? I think not! I never knew this, but makes perfect sense. Amazing insight.
a dentist once explained to me that I should enjoy and respect the pain since I was the one who disrespected the teeth earlier... - most dentists I have been to were torturers, I am glad that I have found my dentist after a long, intensive search - thx god, good dentist do not have to be torturers. Thanks for the channel and your always super interesting videos.
"Whew" ~ Franco
Would it really matter? Kind of...but not if he didn't know it was fake. If it's good super clone, it really wouldn't matter that much except when you go to sell it.
@@JohnBowl14690 of course it matters. your personal perception of having on your wrist a well deserved watch is kinda different of having a fake watch, especially if you paid it as a regular one.
@@gian_zx1197 - But if he thought it was real, then why would his personal perception be any different?
@@JohnBowl14690 i think because he wanted to spend his money on a rolex (5k >), not on a 1000 bucks super clone 😅
@@gian_zx1197 - Yes, but again....If he THINKS it's real, he will THINK he has a genuine Rolex. In the end, the only way he will find out is if he sells it. He might never find out. Many people keep these watches in the family and never sell.
There are fake/clone Rolexes at every price point from $40 to $1000. The market now allows you to get ripped off buying a cheap fake when you thought you were getting a good fake. The ability to buy a $1000 clone Rolex really tells you the value of their name alone. As long as you are getting what you thought you were buying, it's not a scam.
Wonderful video; but what else can we expect.
I was thinking last night, that if they made watches 20 times bigger, I might just be able to service one like you.
You're dealing with 'nano lego', while I'm struggling with 'Duplo'.
All the best Stian, tusen tak for your great show.
😂 Thanks so much, Michael :)
Nice! The fast jumping data function seems to be a good way to spot a fake one without even open the watch. It is probably the most expensive and difficult mechanism to reproduce without making the watch lose some some seconds close to the jumping time due to friction.
What do you mean? The instant date flip isn’t hard at all.. sadly there are a bunch of movements that show the same function as the real deal..
@@DutchClawz It's a jumping hour, not a jumping date. And yes, this is actually quite difficult to reproduce.
Outstanding Franco!! What a relief, I wonder how good of a deal you got 😊
My fake Rolex I bought in 1990 in Singapore cost $17.
Wow, the finish on that movement just blows my mind, that Said, in the “good ol days” the finish on a pocket watch could go even further in beauty and not to forget,back in the day, it was made by hand.
Thanks for the nice explaining throughout your service 👍🏻
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The finish is just okay, nice perlage and striping. But to the level of blowing one's mind? The high horology watches today can go toe to toe with old pocket watches when it comes to hand finishing. Lange handwerkunst, Phillipe Duffour, Romain Gauthier, Grand Seiko micro artist studio, just to name a few.
It’s a trash finnish compared to a Patek. Still it’s obviously beautiful and in my eyes deserves a sapphire backplate. Honestly the Rolex 4130 movement although not finished like boutique brands is in my eyes the most beautiful. It’s like a Ford GT-40 in its ferocious and simple design unlike the clearly more beautiful Ferrari super cars. To be honest I’m more of a Pantera guy so not even that level of detail and beauty. (Look up those cars, beauty but only from 15ft away. Just brutal power with nothing but power and savagery without purpose. They don’t handle, they don’t feel good, and close up they are dirty and ugly. But they are powerful and really cool.)
Ever look at a Lange or PP movement? They are pretty decorated
@@the_snoproLange, yes. A Patek is finished to the bare minimum for haute horoligie really. There is a reason why Phillipe Duffour says the greatest watch from a non independent watchmaker ever made is the datograph and not a 5070p.
The only difference between Dentistry then and now , is that in the past it hurt physically , now its usually financially .
It hurts now too! Treatment of periodontitis will always be painful, as they clean the canal where the nerve used to be, and reach the affected area of the bone
And that's more expensive than five fillings. Double the pain.
@@hibahprice6887 Nah its not that bad. They do my teeth with 3 canals couple of days ago. More than my teeth hurt me to pay 100 bucks for that and another 100 for white dental filling :D
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I have an Omega Seamaster. It got to where it was losing about half a minute a day. I sent it to Nesbit's in Seattle. It wasn't cheap but they serviced it and it came back beautiful, operating very smoothly and losing 2-3 seconds a day. It was fun watching this to get an idea of what's inside a nice watch.
How much was the damage? I started collecting this yr,I have an affinity for chronographs. Now I've heard they need servicing every 5 yrs & could be as much as 1500$,ouch
@@richardmorris6365 It was $700. Still running great. Some days it loses no time at all and never more than 2 sec. They have the longest warrantee at 3 years.
Thank you for saying that Rolex are overpriced. Most successful marketing in history. Except maybe DeBeers.
I was trying to explain this on another thread. I was recounting how a submariner cost £360 back in 1980. Someone replied to my comment that couldn't I understand that it was simply inflation. I think the price increases since then are a lot more than inflation.
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv It's so ridiculous now that the market is full of speculative buyers, in it for the 'investment'. Never mind the immense risk of treating a manufactured product as a commodity, but they have paid a price for that lately.
So absurd. A tool watch. Turned into a trinket-investment-luxury brand through ignorance.
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vvAverage wage in 1980 was £500/month, now £3000. 6 times more. £360×6=2160... where to buy Submatiner at that price now 😂?
@grzegorzmontar8432 thank you this is the point I was trying to make when I was pounced on by the world's leading economic expert. Rolex prices are 30+ what they were in 1980 way above inflation. Basically in the 2000s they revamped themselves in a higher luxury sector of the market. I was a junior clerk in the civil service in 1980 taking home about £350 a month an older worker would be averaging about £500 as you rightly say. Even I an 18 yo junior clerk could aspire to a Rolex. Today a submariner is a £10k+ watch. The 18 yo civil service clerk would need to be earning £120k per year.
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv Pounced on? I thought we were agreeing. I'll ignore that 'expert' wise crack. 😆
For those that don’t want to watch the whole thing, it is a real Rolex.
I'm not even a huge Rolex fan, but for some reason they are my favourite brand for videos like this. Like you said, things just seem to fall into place, and while not as elaborately decorated, I enjoy the simple and smart designs of these movments. It makes for a satisfying video of their servicing. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Are lubricants all 'period correct' or has chemistry and synthetics improved what is used?
Oh, lubricants have improved immensely over the last few decades. You don't have to go many years back before organic lubricants were commonplace, nowadays they're pretty much all synthetic. That makes them last much longer.
@@VintageWatchServices does this mean service intervals can be longer?
Thanks!
Thanks right back, Craig! 😊
I really enjoy watching your videos and the skills you have. Your narration as you go through the process of your servicing is precise and well explained. This watch is certainly a beautiful timepiece and am glad that your friend found out that the watch is genuine. I have subscribed to your channel. Keep up the good work you do.
Glad you like them and thanks for the sub!
It always is a pleasure watching you work on a high quality movement. On the other hand, now that the alpine snows are melting, isn't about time for you and your watch hunting moose to go out and find a rust bucket special to bring back to life? You and the family continue to be well.
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Got bit by the watch bug this yr, never thought I'd fall asleep to a watchmaker tearing down a Swiss timepiece but here I am!
A good indication that something is overpriced is that it takes an expert to tell the difference between a real one and a fake!
Very good point! 👍
Price is only what you will pay for it. There are lots of alternatives for watches. If you can't afford a Rolex don't buy one. I know it's hard to feel emotion through text, so I am saying this statement in the least rude way possible.
So true. When a chinese knock off can't be reliably identified, and costs 30X less than the real thing, you know the real thing is overpriced.
I know that because I own a Starbucks sub, and bought a replica, so as not to risk the real thing so often. At times I've confused the rep with the original. The only way I know for sure which is which is by looking at the serial number.
@@the_snopro Being able to afford doesn't mean you should. Or judging something as overpriced doesn't mean that you can't afford it. When a manufacturer with lower means and resources can make a 98% perfect copy of a product at 10-100x less than the genuine cost, only a vapid and dumb person would still justify and argue about one's ability to buy said product. I'm saying this in the least rude way possible.
I honestly don't get why these guys making high-end knockoffs don't just start their own watch lines. I get that you don't have the "pedigree" of faking the brand name, but some of these fakes are so well-made that you'd think they would want to establish themselves as their own thing.
Great video and perfect service of this watch. But who aligned the hands before you get that timepeace? Is that Rolex original?
I don't know but I would guess it was not done by Rolex
your friend has got himself a very nice watch
Thank you for sharing this most instructive video, dear Stian: 👌👍👏!
My pleasure, Yves! 😊
11:34 the sound comes from a cheap timer, not from the ultrasound transducer.
2 meters of snow but no cooling, you should stop trusting your dentist 😂😂
Up hill, both ways… and we were lucky! Rather Pythonesque humour, love it! Great work, thanks.
I immediately thought it was a fake... Then you ''opened'' it! Ha, ha, ha... The actual movement is so very beautiful.
Very nice job as usual. I always love that you explain everything you do or about to do. I would like to know what you charge foe an overhaul. Thanks.
Thanks, Ralph! You can send me a mail to stian@vintagewatchservices.eu with information about your watch, then we'll take it from there
Nice seeing you again ❤
Another great R&R of a classic piece. Love your comententary during the process...Kudos..!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
3:00 Both the real & fake watches have beat up screws. At some point in the past, somebody was in there messing around that shouldn't have been.
Another entertaining video. Thanks for sharing. I have the newer 42mm white dial version in my collection and it's my go-to travel watch besides my Tudor BB GMT black dial.
Very nice, Steve!
I Have That Exact Watch - Love It....! Mine Has Pagani Design On The Dial For Some Reason Though....?
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I'm glad to see that my initial thought was right -- it's a genuine piece from the late 80s, early 90s generation.
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Yes, I have a mid nineties 16570 polar dial myself - watch is absolutely correct. Even more so than mine. Rolex service swapped out the tritium hands on mine for super-luminova at some point - his are original and lume shade on the hands matches the hour markers. It's actually an example of why you should be wary of having Rolex service your watch after a certain age. They can change out dial parts that actually devalues the watch.
@@jleano609Even if you specify no changes to the dial or handset?, and do they keep said swapped items or return them to the owner, like Omega does?.
Your storytelling and pop up banner text is great.
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Its very satisfying to watch you service and assemble the watch , Sir.
Many thanks!
Yay!!! A new video! Question for you… I have a watch with the same (kif I believe) shock settings, and for the life of me, I cannot find them. One of mine is broken and needs replacing…
You might be able to buy some at a material house like cousins
Not that I intend to take up watch making. I’m just totally fascinated with your skills and the mechanics of watches, but the strength of those springs would frighten the life out of me. Another great video Stian. Stay safe. Mick.🇬🇧
Thanks, Mick 😊
Great video, as always. Loved the cat section. If you haven't seen it already, the New Yorker magazine ran a cartoon with two cats and a cave woman, where the cats are saying to each other "we can kill and eat her now, or we can let her live and she'll feed us for the next 15 years." The title of the cartoon is "The First Cats to be Domesticated."
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Man,your video quality is amazing. I’ve never seen such sharp focus on TH-cam.
Wow, thanks!
I see that you have had a similarly deprived childhood to myself. In my case, when going to school, I, too, have had to trudge through meters of snow. Uphill. Both ways.
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A very nice video as usual. Thank you. Would you mind sharing some names of watches brand that you feel are a good value. I'm currently interested in Blancpain and Glashutte Original (with exhibition case backs). I don't expect to be buying an A. Lange Sohne any time soon.
Thanks, Robert ! I actually think Glashütte Original is pretty good value of the high end brands, but the cost is off course still quite high
Think GP of the 1990-2000 era, and JLC from 2000-2010. Both can be had for little money and are great quality
Quick question - as you said you didn't know how long it was since the watch was serviced, why didn't you replace the mainspring?
Because the mainspring was in good condition, not kinked, flat and not set
Subscription because of the cat observations!
Oh, and also because of the fine level of skill on display. Thank you!
Thanks for watching! 😊
The absolute easiest way to tell with the case back removed is a free sprung balance. No fakes or replicas use that escapement architecture.
that‘s it !
Yet.
More than one way to skin a cat.
Love you sense of humour.
Great work and well explained. Yes Rolex definitely over priced and over hyped.
Just looking at the font of model and serial number and the way it is stamped between the lugs; with experience you can spot if it’s fake or not. The copies never seem to get that detail right! (Thankfully!)
Thanks so much for getting back to me.
Yes Stian, your dentist story reminds me of Monty Python's Four Yorkshiremen sketch. "Ohhh when I wooz yoong, we used to get up in the morning at half past 10 at night, half an hour before we'd gone to bed...."
Recently I had a root canal and crown. The pain on one particular treatment was so bad I passed out in the chair. I'm an active type, mechanic by trade turned long distance truck driver. I live off grid, cut my own firewood so the point is pain is not unknown to me.
Without hesitation I can state this, my 2nd root canal treatment, exposed me to the most pain I have ever felt in my life - including an arm break where my fingers were almost touching my elbow. My system just couldn't handle it and out I went like a light. I never passed out when I broke my arm. Woke up drenched in sweat then had to continue with the treatment after they gave me an orange juice. I had a 14 hour shift starting 1 hour after the treatment.
And they say you can't remember pain ROFL... I'll never forget that day in this or the next 10,000 lifetimes.
Re cats, down here in Australia it's not unknown for us to have a deadly snake or two about the place. In fact they're common. You haven't lived until you've had an eastern brown in your house. Cats are exceptional snake controllers. Snakes just don't like cats. My gnarly old male (GRHS) dealt with them decisively while my other cat watched on. Now she won't tolerate them. Since the cats are around no more snakes or rodents. A necessary evil are cats.
😳 I'm not a religious man at all but I'll happily pray to all gods that ever existed to avoid that experience... Ouch
And yes, cats are very fascinating. Their reaction times are two or three times faster than a snake can strike, so I can imagine they're great to have in a country where everything can kill you :)
Australia is a fantastic place btw, with some of the nicest people there are 💪
I would suggest that you’re either someone who has a resistance to the anaesthetic or that you need to find a different dentist. I’ve had two root canals in my time and have never felt a thing. In fact, I think I fell asleep in the chair at one point for a minute during the second one.
Man, I’ve had all sorts of procedures done on my teeth (one time the apprentice/assistent had to be replaced because she became unwell due to the graphic nature of a procedure) and never ever felt any pain. I have no problem asking for additional anesthesia from my dentist (he always makes sure I’m in no pain and always proposes extra anesthesia when I need it) I actually have more discomfort from keeping my mouth open for extended periods of time than actual pain. Either get a new dentist or just perhaps maybe you’re resistant to anesthetics…( if that’s the case there are gasses that can help, I think).
The moment you put it on the timegrapher… I figured it wasn’t fake… I came across a high end fake and the movements aren’t that accurate. It was a super fake and it wasn’t terrible on the timegrapher but it was along the lines of a cheap Seiko automatic.
Loved the dramatic sound effect of the case dropping onto solvent in slow motion
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My dady bought one NKUWAN and he loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when he went out with it.
*Good job, Stian. It's nice to hear impartial comments from a non Rolex fanboy who knows many watches. Rolex timepieces are good but too expensive. I have one and believe in them BUT the prices are eye-watering.*
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I always enjoy your video's, especially the cleaning and repairs, of various watches.
Brilliant, like always!
Thanks, buddy!
for this specific watch, when u wound up/adjusted the hour, there was already a slight sign that it is real. haha the "wiggle test".
this specific 16570 movement at that time, if u adjust hour independently, theres like a little bit of "wiggle/wobble" on the 24hr hand. that is evident of the genuine movement, for this specific watch at that period. they probably fixed it at the late 3186 movement. but yea, haha
Yep, you're absolutely right, that's the giveaway that this is a 3185 movement and the only really visible difference to the 3186 :)
Cats pretend they are irracional, so they don't have to work.
Good job but you have to press the glas out from the bezel and put ist first on the case then u press the bezel over the crystal and the gasket from the crystal
It's a beautiful watch. It is not ostentatious and very handsome. I would be happy if I was the owner of this watch. Great video.
Replace the entire balance is an option, and the bezel, dial/hands and crystal are all tells, but on an Explorer, after you've done that lot in gen you're probably only £1k off the price of an actual gen!
Definitely worth going that route on a GMT m2 though.
Stian, hows your project coming along?? For some reason, inspite of me having subscribed, the notifications dont come through. Btw, out of interest, did you perform a P test on the case? Kind regards from the Forest of Blackness. Mike
Hello Mike, I did a pressure test on the case indeed, but my tester is a dry one so it's not very interesting to see in a video :)
@@VintageWatchServices And your project??
@@mikesage9544 Which project is that? I don't remember 😁
😂 The secret one that you don't want to talk about!!! Though, I feel sure I know what it is... Mine has faltered. Involves iwc 7906. Neither are for this level of communication. Stian, lubrication of plastic or nylon pinions. Extreme light oil? Y or N? Will message you. Bw von zer Fazerland. Mike.
@mikesage9544 Aha! 😁 Yes, it's coming along nicely and I'll disclose more quite soon, I hope :) Plastic/nylon does not have to be lubricated.
Thank you for another great video, Stian!
Leaving out the hacking lever/bar when reassembling a movement has to be one of the most common and annoying oversights.
One question regarding the epilame/fix-o-drop.
I don’t know how much epilame surface treatments have changed over the years, but the epilame used by some movement makers such as Omega decades ago on the movement plates and bridges was very durable. It would survive a few cycles through ultrasonic watch cleaning machines.
If Fix-o-drop is anywhere near as durable, I doubt that using pithwood to clean it off the escape wheel pivots will actually remove it.
It might be interesting to dip the pivot into a drop of 9010 after cleaning it in pithwood to see if the oil is still repelled or not.
Oh yes, that hacking lever lying there in the tray when everything else is not...
Yes, the epilame is said to be that durable still. But it comes off more easily with physical rubbing, which is why it comes off in pith wood and also on the pallet jewels when the escape wheel rubs against it. But it might indeed be interesting to see what happens after prodding the pivots into the pith 🤔
What's the year? As I have one the same which l bought new in 1994 .
I think it's 92
I’m surprised the black paint came out of the numbers in the bezel insert, as is on the 6.
When the Dentist found out that the next patient was a giant watchmaker he remembered when he paid for his last Rolex service and it was now payback time I mean Hammer Time. What no trouble in paradise. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
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Beautiful work.
Absolutely in AWWW when I see a watch disassembled. Pure craftsmanship at its highest level.
Are we going to mention the scratches all over near the main spring mounting? What do you think happened?
I'm not sure what you refer to? Could you share a timestamp for instance? I didn't really see anything out of the ordinary.
[Fun(?) fact] I don't drink and don't do drugs. At my age, i can get the same effect by standing up too fast. (internet wisdom LOL)
PS Luckily not at that age, so.......
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Beautiful work! I enjoyed watching it. 👌
Thank you so much 😀
Every single time that you use those Tweezers, everybody reading should respect that 100% of accuracy to remove the tiniest of parts, cannot be done by anybody so deftly & skillful in their preferred life's work. Many of those tiny parts are springs which are also in some tension or compression. If (for example), I attempted to remove all parts, those tiny parts store enough kinetic energy to propel those tiny parts (at a high speed) - and never to be found again!! It's happened to lots of us! Sir, you have a very special skill! Greetings from Australia.
Thanks, Peter :)
31:33 u have forgot fix the second pointer's eye.
Nope, that's the original lume and the only way to "fix" it would be to relume all the hands, which the owner did not want and which I wouldn't do even if asked. It's better to keep the watch original with a tiny flaw in the lume that isn't very visible to the naked eye.
Why was spring silver not blue ?
I assume you mean the hairspring? Rolex started using a different process a bit later on that resulted in blue hairsprings
That’s really kind of you to reply thank you , and can I just say how great your videos are , great content 👍
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How in the world do you remember how to put it all back together? I'm serious. Is there, for example, a convention in watchmaking that all the screws for the internal movement will be the same size, length, and thread?
After doing it a few times you start seeing the logic :) There is no convention for screws, they come in all kinds of sizes, but there are commonalities in what types of screw heads are used for different purposes.
Silly question,how much did it cost did any papers come with this watch and where did you buy this from
"Hang on, that was the wrong watch." 🤣🤣
The crème color on the dial how’d is this
That is one of the most underrated models Rolex produced. Awesome watch.
Great video mate I always enjoy watching you work on watches
Much appreciated, Andy!
One thing that I noticed, was that (before the Watch became Hermetically - Sealed), wouldn't it have been better if the common air was first removed, and replaced with N2 gas. There would be absolutely no humidity whatsoever, to form minute reactions (inside the Watch and trapped forever), and acting negatively on all internal metal parts. I have never heard of any Watch Maker ever doing this. But do they? I hope that they do this - on extremely expensive Watches. It would be a cheap operation these days, to replace with N2.
Hello Peter, it would indeed be much better to not have air inside the watch but it's not that straight forward to pump air out and some other gas in. Helium is used in professional diver's watches and then you also need special valves etc.
Air in itself isn't a big issue to the metal parts, it's when you combine it with moisture that you really have a problem on your hands :)
@8:50 you forgot to mention the walk was uphill, both ways ;)
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I bought a brand new "Submariner" Rolex back in the mid-60s for diving. Years later the stem was in need of replacement so I took it to what thought was a reputable jeweler. I got the watch back weeks later, but upon checking it closely later, I found the second hand was not "sweeping" as it should if it was a genuine Rolex; instead it was jumping as a fake digital Rolex does. I'm contain either the jeweler, or whomever they sent it to exchanged the genuine Rolex action for a cheap knock-off digital!! I still have the box, the emblems, and the guarantee with the watch serial number, so I may yet see if I can trace where the real watch action went!!
That sounds bad but they didn't necessarily change the movement, that would be downright fraud. There is a little friction spring in these movements that makes the seconds hand move smoothly, and if this spring isn't secured properly, the hand will stutter and move in larger increments. Perhaps that's what happened?
You should have the watch checked at your local watchmaker asap to make sure!
What's the best fake rolex and is it worth the cost they are asking when judged solely as a mechanical timepiece?
I'm kind of shocked to see a Rolex with a blank caseback.
Pretty much all Rolexes have plain case backs...
One of my most favorite things,
is to watch a master at work.
Amazing to see this.
Well done.
Thank you very much!
Fascinating video !
Have one of the last few production with 3186 mvt. Lovely watch.
YES! An HMT movement sighting on the channel - thank you! The HMT0231 may be humble but is built like a tank.
i mean, if the price seems too good to be true, best to stay back but luckily the watch turned out to be genuine.
Excellent work my friend 😁👍👍
I worked with someone back in the late 90s who was bequeathed a rolex watch from his late father.
He told me, because it was a 1956 model, it was worth £10, 000 more than the 1957 model.
Is their any truth in this ?
He was inclined to talk bollocks
Sounds like bollocks, but I'm no Rolex expert and it would depend on the specific model
As always another great video always entertaining
Hmmm hour hand past 9 yet second hand shows 5 mins before hour?
Veldig fin Explorer 2 og alltid gøy å se på service av urverket 👌🏻
When I saw 2:07 all I could think about is a seller on eBay saying, "Please rate 5 star, saar."
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Great close up shots , brilliant,
Many thanks!
Très génial, fantastique, c'est l'art de reparation professionnel, très réussi, ravi de suivre tes vidéos intéressantes, merci beaucoup
Merci beaucoup !
THANKS,,,,GREAT VIDEO !!!
Glad you liked it, Greg!
Another classic ‘cheap Rolex’ issue is that of component replacements that have been made from counterfeit or incorrect components. Polish weddings if you will.