FS2020: Is There Too Much Junk In The MSFS Marketplace? Your Thoughts & My Suggestions!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- I often get comments about the state of the MSFS Marketplace (particularly on Xbox); in this video, I share some of your concerns & comments.
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Intro and your Comments shared: (0:00)
My Suggestions for a Marketplace Revamp: (7:48)
#FS2020MarketplaceIssues #XboxMSFSMarketplaceJunk - เกม
Black screens when flying planes in a FLIGHT SIM for months and months however, we have a transit van 🤷♂️
Huddison - Your suggestion of having a "Try before you buy" option on items is an excellent idea.
Sadly, I doubt we'll ever see it in the Marketplace.
This idea is as old as the marketplace.
Will we ever see it?
No, because it might / will destroy the business model olf the ingame market place.
Sales might drop to 30& - 20% of the current ones, I guess.
Junk is the correct description! It’s seems they want to charge you for everything, especially for scenery that most people would assume would be included in the “Game”. They have perfected the “art of the scam”. Aircraft that are not poorly developed that really are nothing but junk. I bet every simmer has 3 or 4 aircraft that they purchased and only flown once. MS/Asobo are only interested in getting your money!
Got several of those aircraft. They are called Hangar Queens. That's where they stay. And "water fixes"? What is that all about?
not here, you need to do research beforehand. simple.
As for a “try before you buy” system, prehaps the implementation of a timed “demo” which allows you to use the product for let’s say ummm, 2 hours before you as a user can either pay to keep and unlock it permanently or decide its not for you and then delete the add on
How about splitting the rating into half a dozen quality categories, such as (for aircraft):
1) Texture resolution and quality
2) Level of moving features/animations
3) Proportion of panel controls that operate
4) Sound quality
5) Faithfulness to real world equivalent aircraft
6) Handling/flight dynamics
These qualities could be scored by multiple choice radio buttons with guide legends (for consistent scoring).
The overall score could be calculated by the website (not the user) using a simple rule of thumb (say, a weighted average).
The whole thing could be handled by the initial data entry screens, and result in a simple 1 - 5 number (of stars) as at present, - but this number would be more reliable.
Those are great suggestions.
Introducing a “traffic lights system” on every single product on its description page, which denotes either 🟢=low LOD/memory intensity 🟠=medium LOD/memory intensity 🔴=High LOD/memory intensity, would be an excellent and well received approach for XBox users and PC users alike!
Great idea 👍
I totally agree with you! The fact that MS allows so much junk shows that it is about Money First, and Quality After. So, we have to get Informed First to buy the good products, as there are Excellent products. The customer, as for anything in life, has to do their homework! I CERTAINLY do mine... The fact that there is no "Try before you buy" option, shows they want to trap customers to Get Money First!
Many good ideas for improving the marketplace. On the try before you buy front, it's not necessary to reinvent the wheel. The iOS app store and Google play store have what I think are good marketing models in that you can get apps for free albeit with ads. If you like the basic app you can buy the upscaled version. There are some apps that have several upgrade paths to purchase more features. Something similar could be done for aircraft models in the MSFS marketplace.
Excellent suggestions.
"Brian" needs to look at the filter section which allows him to filter out liveries if he wants. Also, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Just because one person thinks a product is junk doesn't mean everyone does. Proof of this is that most products have both one star ratings AND five star ratings from different people. I think an awful lot of people fail to understand that not everybody flies the sim like everyone else. Someone who wants a hyper detailed study level aircraft and would rather die than start ready to go on the runway, is a different target audience from someone who just wants to jump in and get flying within moments. You won't find a single aircraft that's perfect for both camps. Furthermore, genuinely bad products will get genuinely bad ratings and so the dross will naturally sink to the bottom.
Excellent points.
Need to separate out Liveries from Aircraft. Really frustrating to have to search through tens of livery offerings to find the odd decent aircraft!
Strongly agree with your suggestion to refine the ratings system. Also, it would be very helpful if product descriptions included some guidance on whether the product works well on 'low end' systems (e.g. Xbox S). As it stands, I have to guess, so I tend not to buy products that I think might not work well (e.g. complex airports and aircraft)
Wonderful feedback on this subject.
I would love to see MSFS incorporate an in-game community center where people can upload/download liveries, airports, and other mods for free. It doesn't matter so much for PC, but this would be a nice feature for Xbox users since we're forced to use the marketplace. Bethesda (which is also owned by Microsoft) does exactly this with Skyrim and Fallout 4, so it is in the realm of possibility. However, Microsoft/Asobo probably likes the extra revenue that they get from charging people for stuff that would be otherwise free on PC
I buy stuff very rarely and only once I read that that its reviewed well and is stable with the rest of the sim. It's the performance issues some addons can bring that is the problem. It shouldn't get onto the marketplace in the first place if it causes CTDs or any other performance hits.
Quite true.
All it needs is a “last updated” on each item. Otherwise it’s okay
I was scrolling through the MSFS 2020 Market Place and I found items that have nothing to do with flying, one example is trains and boats that are supposed to enhance scenery, which are absolutely useless! Also, many of the items in the Market Place that are marked down in price by a large percentage, have low ratings, that indicates such items are junk.
Good observations.
Not sure about junk as much as low level developers, MSFS should take QA up a few levels
They should have a “born-on-date” so you know if you are buying new things or very old things From Marketplace.
That would be useful.
Another interesting presentation....Totally agree with you.....Roger..Pembrokeshire..
Thanks Roger.
Around 12:00 I completely agree. Comments rating system a much better idea. It’s the first thing I would look at when shopping for anything else online so why not here.
100% Suzie
I find the Marketplace too jumbled, you have to scroll through so much stuff to find something you might be interested in, so there needs to be a proper filter where you can narrow down what you're after.
That said, I've only ever bought two items from the Marketplace, everything else has been through third party sites.
A lot of us share the same sentiment.
One thing I note the market place frequently has products the same as the developers who produced them such as Orbx, this can lead to duplicate purchase especially where for example a scenery / mesh has previously been released by the the developer who originally released the item. How do you get your money back from the market place.
I have been a simmer for over thirty years...and Can pick up on the good the bad and the UGLY...
The first red flag was the "Cenutry of Flight" music...that was an OK sim but to me..MSFS 2002 ( PROFESSIONAL EDITION) was a better sim package..(I still use it...
The second red flag was the intro if X box and the monthly fee to play...I like owning my own software and depending on a monthly (cloud ) service just doesn't appeal..
The third was the preference of people who use hi end towers (and high priced) to get the nod on new devolved programs left a lot of laptop simmers out in the cold..so if you don't own a high powered gaming tower..or Xbox gamer console you are sol...
They ( MSFS 2020 developers)
need to got back to the k.i.s.s. principle or this beautiful looking sim could tourn out to be a big flop..
There needs to be a MSFS 2020 light with the basic livery..(Trainers..Cessna.150..172..182..
Piper 140..Warrior..Arrow..twins.Baron ..Aztec..jets Citation.Lear..military F4.T38..B52..F18..helicopters
Hughes..robinson..may a V2..
That it...nothing but flying aircraft...
No boats cars ot trains...
JUST AIRCRAFT...( Flying cars ..maybe)
That is the way I feel about it old school simmers probably feel left out an neglected..
I don't own MSFS 2020...
AND I FEEL FINE..
Cya
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There's so much crap in there!!
But it's a bit of a non issue, at least to me. I think whatever retail experience you pick involves sifting through the crap, whether its buying new shoes or choosing veg at the grocers, so I don't see how the marketplace differs. It's pretty easy to find reviews on TH-cam and Facebook groups too, same as you would with other products.
Theres lots of high end aircraft that are conplex to learn and a number of excellent sceneries, if you are treating it as a simulator the investment in time is big, so I would wonder why you even need a big marketplace anyway - theres years of use in the Commanche or wilga for instance amd thats before you even look at the fantastic airliners available.
Great points.
As long as a marketplace takes a cut for each sale, no marketplace is going to do anything but accept almost all of it.
My bying policy:
1. Buy at the dev store
2. Buy at alternative markets
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999. Buy at the ingame marketplace (to be precise: Only Local Legends / Famous Flyers I am interested in.)
I am not in the mood to throw more money than absolutely needed into MSobos mouth!
I wish there was a way to limit what you see more. For example, I seldom look at anything to do with airliners, and never do anything with liveries. They fill up "Top Rated" and "New" section with sceneries and liveries that I don't really care about. Honestly YOUR channel is my rating system and my "try before you buy"!
Thanks for the compliment. I agree that they should refine the products for what you _actually_ have an interest in.
Yes I'd to see moving water falls and shores like old sim
Any one ever got a refund from market place for a duplicate buy. I found myself buying an add on only just added to market place when I already purchased it from ORBX two years ago, my fault entirely but difficult to stay on top of adding with the amount I have!
The market place is a used car market. Some products are really great, a lot of it is crap. How many people have parted with money and felt victimized. More than you think. It’s buyer beware! There are no standards of quality from MSFS which is odd considering these products are representative of the core sim. It’s even more critical if you’re on Xbox because a lot of products just won’t work. And how would anyone know if a scenery is too resource intensive to work on consoles. There are a lot less reviews dedicated to consoles.
Wonderful comments and feedback.
I agree with everything that you and others have said. Who wants to spend £10 on a transit van for example. Has Microsoft lost its way. JUST TO REMIND YOU, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A FLIGHT SIM. I wont buy anything from the MP unless I see a review on TH-cam. I thank all those people who make excellent videos
Wish there was a difficulty category for planes in the marketplace. Personally, I don't like to spend the whole evening using Simbrief just to fly a bit. But I can't know if I can fly a 320 in the same simple way as the default planes in MSFS until I've bought it. Like for example the Fenix plane which I don't have time to learn. To me, wasted money. I like to fly but I'm not a realism fanatic to the tips of my fingers...
A limited time trail with such planes might be an ideal solution.
I'm the complete opposite. I'm a beginner too, but I play with all help disabled and I go from Simbrief to flight, use the ATC panel manually and all that. So when I buy a new plane, I want the thing to work as close to real life as possible. Think I'm going to buy the $70 PMDG 737-800 because of the known quality. I guess we are two sides of the same coin.
I'm new to MSFS 2020, where does this leave me? A Concerned New Comer!!! Should I take up Knitting as my passtime, instead?
You may find knitting less frustrating
Join the official MSFS forums - some good guys there and we all help each other out if we can. Do your research before buying anything. You'll quickly learn who the trusted developers are, and who are the cowboys.
There are a good number of trusted devs but they can all have their occasional 'wobbles'; however the reputable guys will always issue fixes if the original releases are somehow below par.
Talking of Xbox, Which is the best Xbox to get for MSFS. My desktop has had to go back to the chap who built it for me and has been gone for three weeks now and I'm having MSFS withdrawal symptom's, so I'm seriously thinking of getting an Xbox for emergency's. any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks Huddison. More great content from you. Dave M.
The Series X is the best Xbox to get Dave. More power for higher/better performance over the Series S.
Thanks Huddison, much appreciated.@@Huddison
too me a truck sim is a truck sim so i carnt get over why on earth a flight sim as cars and vans and boats it must be so easy too sell a load of crap on market plc thay need to start concentrating on getting the good stuff out on market plc and leave the crap in the sin bin ,the stuff ive bought im happy with but thats down to going through a lot of reviews before i part with cash
1) there’s absolutely way too much junk in the marketplace. 2) the marketplace desperately needs some sort of new review/rating system, as some of that junk has higher ratings than some of the finest addons available.
Answer: Yes !
Definitely! I am thoroughly aggravated by the awful forgotten aircraft Asobo keep stocking the marketplace shelves with! Why are they doing this? There are so many aircraft that have been remembered for reasons that these ugly ducklings never accumulated. Please Asobo/Microsoft let's have the better aircraft and stop giving us this pile of crap. I have never seen a company so intent on destroying itself as this lot are. I'm not interested in these aircraft that you lot seem to be interested in, and I am sure there will be many out there who share my angst, so please concentrate on the customer, and not on your own whimsical mores.
Great feedback.
Remove mscenery and bee-kay please
"Water fixes" you mean $5 for standard quality graphics?
ABBBSOLUTE RUBBISH MICROSOFT THIS. But Your videos are never Rubbish.
Cheers Mike.
@@Huddison P.S. The reason I buy from the Market Place is due to the exchange rate sometimes buying direct makes me say whoaa that was a few quid but did make an exception for the A2A. I always watch Your Videos and of course S.M H..g.r both I trust and when I can I try to buy direct.
Easy fix all asobo need to do is add another tab only for junks 😂
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I think your video and some of the comments you made demonstrated that one man's junk is another man's treasure - for example, you mentioned "the cream of the crop" as including the UK mesh, but to me that's a pointless thing to buy - there's a new sim coming out in just a few months, and the return on something like that is minimal. You also made a point of saying that there's nothing of much value in the "New Releases" section, but there's a great helicopter in this week's offering - but then I know you don't like helicopters, so that's probably junk as far as you're concerned.
Nobody is forcing anybody to pay any money for any of these downloads - you either buy them, or you don't. Yes, I've been burned by some duds, but then that's life, it's not exclusive to MSFS.
You seem to be misreading my intents there Dave: I actually don't mind helicopters and in fact *do enjoy* flying them from time to time.
Your later comment, is inconsequential to the video's subject - it's not a case of 'well don't buy if you don't want to' & more of a case of there being to much junk around in the Marketplace - two different subjects!
@@Huddison I'm sure there's plenty of junk on PC too, from sites that vary in their reputability. I think what I'm trying to say is that, if you look at the list in the Marketplace of "Best Sellers" there's plenty of things that you and I wouldn't buy, but others clearly have - there are people like you and me that want something that flies well and is modelled accurately, but there are others who just want to blast around in something that looks like their favourite plane and don't care what it flies like... Who are we to say that they're wrong, and that they shouldn't be able to fly what they want? I don't have to like it, but then I don't have to buy it either. I can't see the point in buying a Transit van (as per this week's releases) - it's a flight sim! But for the same reason I can't see the point in buying the Juice Goose either (which I know many members of the Discord - yourself included, I believe - have bought and enjoy). Is that wrong? I don't believe it is.
We're all capable of making a choice as to what to buy and what to ignore, and I don't feel the need to complain to Asda (other apps are available) that there's a lot of stuff in there that's crap - and for that same reason, I just ignore the crap that's in the marketplace and leave it for someone else to buy if they want.
Hopefully that makes it a bit clearer.
There is so much freeware on pc it’s insane and I mean this stuff is very good for free and I love the pc freeware and use it , on my Xbox and for Xbox players I mean at least liveries should be freeware . The Xbox is nothing but a big cash grab and they shaft the Xbox users . Thus , why I enjoy the my high end pc over the Xbox .
Too much junk
way too much junk
I don’t know but when MSFS 2020 first came out on Xbox it was great! But after the third update, I think or 4th, it went down the man hole. CTD, stutters, and occasional mishaps started popping up, they did fix some of it but the ctd’s still come about. The Xbox may not be able to handle all the innovations that a PC might but it’s not a useless machine, I thank that Asobo and MSFS might want to really QC their updates, right now the updates are what I really fear. 🪖😀👍👍🇺🇸
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