"Sacrificing himself in the tournament for the sake of everything is the most human thing he can do, there's nothing cyborg about it" Seems everyone forgets that's exactly what 16 did
Yeah but 16 and universe 7 wasn't facing Erasure instantly. They were only facing a roided-up insect Saiyan hybrid who could have easily gotten destroyed by Broly himself or even Majin Buu! Granted I cried when 16 died and it still brings tears to my eyes now but they weren't facing anywhere close to the threat that they we're all facing in the tournament of power and that's the symbolism that they're trying to pass off to the viewer cuz if you've noticed or if you haven't noticed I don't know each Arc has a different scale threat like for instance zamasu black was just a threat to the distant future and if they could manage to pull their plan off the future of the Multiverse itself but even then it still wasn't anywhere close to being as much of a threat as zen-oh erasing the entirety of the Multiverse with the snap of his fingers like Thanos. At least if samasu had one there would still be a Multiverse maybe not with Mortals in it but there still would have been a Multiverse
@@chrisbogan6519 chris bogan man it's the same level of threat for the time. The universe wasn't at stake during the Cell Saga, sure, but it wasn't a thing at that point that the universe could get destroyed? The stakes were Earth. Android 16 only experienced Earth, so that was everything to him. Cell was trying to blow up Earth, the universe as a whole wasn't involved at all. If down the line someone 1000x stronger than Jiren shows up are you going to say the same thing about Android 17s sacrifice?
@@chrisbogan6519 chris bogan man it's the same level of threat for the time. The universe wasn't at stake during the Cell Saga, sure, but it wasn't a thing at that point that the universe could get destroyed? The stakes were Earth. Android 16 only experienced Earth, so that was everything to him. Cell was trying to blow up Earth, the universe as a whole wasn't involved at all. If down the line someone 1000x stronger than Jiren shows up are you going to say the same thing about Android 17s sacrifice?
I like how 17 puts his shield up around himself and Jiren, just before Jiren releases his energy, causing Jiren to get damaged by his own blast. 17 is an extremely good tactician.
I will never accept his powerup to SSB goku level from being a glorified shepherd but the fighting tactics of 17 are definitrly thr most high IQ. Goku and vegeta seriously need more of these moments
@@maalikserebryakovhe wasn’t actual SSB level or he would have been able to 1v1 Pride Trooper Toppo. People don’t understand the concept of holding back in sparring matches but ‘showing’ your real power. Krillin, 18, 17, and probably even Gohan were not at SSB level before the tournament. In real martial arts world champions can spar with beginners and the beginner will have no idea how much the expert is holding back. +17 was fighting alien armies on an island while minimizing damage to the terrain by himself for yeaaaars
@@CoolguyDaniel10 cope if he was gonan hold back then why use his strongest form to use only 0.00001% of his power? admit it the Animators just had fun spamming Super saiyan blue 🤭
Jiren: you're weak 17: your momma died because you were too weak to protect her Jiren: that was in the past 17: who said that this is the future Jiren: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Chautsu: WHAT'S 10+10 Jiren: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMM Goku: 17 DO IT NOW 17 used barrier it was super effective
JustAGuy that's just how much depth all the characters have in the show where all it takes is a total of 30 minutes of screen time to become a favorite
just still cant beleive how 17 went from "Oh ... someone cell saga level" ... to "OOHHHH hes talkin shit to jiren.. he damaged jiren he's running around blasting him going toe to toe . locking arms and ripping his shirt talking shit to jiren. then there's goku and vegeta on the floor " Dayum..... no cunt expected that much off him, i loved that moment where jiren smashed all his barriers and punches 17, but the exact moment 17 hits the wall he immediately fires back an attack straight off the bat. Or notice when he knocked vegeta out the way to take a full blown double whack. which the same would put goku or vegeta down. but 17 gets back up. He proved that his toughness is greater than any other U7 character. The attack that knocked all 3 of them down had goku an jeetz still on the floor totally fucked as 17 is buzzing around getting smashed to shit and talkin shit to jiren had me shocked and hyped.
PainlessPanda most of the characters now have no fucking depth dragon ball has really fallen off because they introduce characters and barely go in depth to them I don’t expect all but even hit doesn’t have a backstory or anything for the matter
@brandonadams6108 no doubt for him being one of the 2 humans which definitely is more of a disadvantage then being any other race and also being old as fuck when he was fighting the dude that was constantly getting stronger def put up one of the best showings
17 was the most interesting character in Super. And I just love his voice actor. I was very pleasantly thrilled when he was the last person standing at the end.
I think that thumbnail art was inspired by this vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/5/51/Goku_Black_Insane.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20161103172715
@Sasnar Dash it's a meme that came from hit's cloning ability (that paradox time skip stuff) because fanboys didn't want to accept universe 6 died. it's used for every character that drops out from the tournament in a non-obvious way
I think that when 17 said “So you were just using those guys to your own ends.”, he was referring to jiren not competing or stepping in when his teammates were having trouble, thus letting them get eliminated so he could ultimately be the last one stand and obtain the super dragon balls for his own (and still unknown wish). Which is why I believe that in addition to Jiren’s backstory, 17 used this knowledge to further edge him on as he says “Do you think you can make things the way they were if you win?” to manipulate the fact that he has an IDEA of what his opponents true character is, so he changes the way it is perceived without falsifying it to strike a nerve. Just for those who are confused
I like how 17 uses phycological tactics to hit jirens nerves indeed a very good strategist yet he come up with that all on his own you gotta love the once criminal android for his commitment to universe 7
Yeah, that and how he doesn’t really care about his team though. He would have never sacrificed himself for a teammate like some of the universe 7 fighters would have.
I mean, everyone has a worse backstory than jiren. Vegeta's parents along with his entire race have been killed by a guy he's collaborating with. Goku has never even met his parents. 17 has been kidnapped and turned into an android, gero messed up his mind and made him evil. C'mon jiren, get over it...
@@jud1114 Yes. If Yamcha never made the sacrifice of losing so early, he would have accidentally killed Jiren and gotten himself disqualified, leaving Goku and Vegeta to fall to Toppo
Not sure why this video is in my feed but this shit is like a time capsule. The vid, the comments, takes me back to the ToP and all the internet reacting to the new episodes as they dropped😂
I think it's similar to how Goku was fucked up by Sorbet's raygun in the Resurrection F arc. He simply didn't know he was coming so his guard wasn't up.
I was hoping right before 17 sacrificed himself...He would ask Jiren " How does it feel? Knowing you are no better than the evil that destroyed your friends and family."
i dont think he planned on surviving, but due to his power jump in super he was able to withstand the attack and keep fighting. similar to vegeta surviving his suicide attack against topo
@@user-ym2kb1cp5e He’s actually a cyborg. Him and 18. They have human parts still. That explains why 18 was able to get it on all night long with Krillin and get a baby.
Koraxus I wouldn't be scared of Jiren cause he's a 2d fictional character I'm a 3d non fictional being which means I'm infinitely more powerful than him 17 is still gay. In a no holds fight Jiren would cream pie 17
It's kind of cool to see the two paths 17 took. In the Future Trunks timeline, he embraces his sociopathic side and doesn't care for much more than 18 and his own personal needs. A completely selfish and evil guy. In the present timeline, he had that choice to go down that path too but having the direction from 16 to kill Goku at least stabilized him and his fight with Piccolo taught him respect and with his death and resurrection he learned the value of life and what it is to be human and we get to see where his path took him in the Tourney of power arc. It's really cool.
I like that you pointed that out. The only reason 17 and 18 are different than they are in Trunks' timeline is BECAUSE of 16's influence. We don't get much exposition of 17 and 18, only that they were humans once and Gero shut them down because he couldn't control them. I like to think what led to that was them discovering what he did to his own son, let alone them.
He's not even in the 7'th universe. They are fighting in a black void where there is supposed to be nothing. Dont think some dragon balls from earth can wish him back.
If they beat Jiren via the mind rather than the fist, I can finally see a method for defeating Jiren. *And yes, it'd be better than Goku mastering Ultra Instinct in three minutes*
17 seems to be the best character when it comes to reacting off anger, using his fight vs. Kakunsa or whatever her name is he continues to get in her mind rent free using that to literally treat her (and Jiren in that respect) like the animals he so easily deals with on Earth. He also uses the same tactics but with a slight different to get his opponent on guard for what they assumed is going to be the same played out tactic, but with one twist that can literally change everything. And his mind games are something we’ve seen since Z to a slight degree.
It's slight mental conditioning, and he does the same thing in fighterz, you expect him to do one thing then your blindsided by a whole new set of attacks, only for him to do it all over again
Hmmm... In some way I think 17 is pleased to know that Jiren isn't a soulless, heartless "killing machine" because 17 would have even less respect for Jiren should Jiren actually have won the tournament. Perhaps Jiren "deep down" knows what 17 was "digging for" which is why Jiren proceeded to quickly "end it all" saying "Time's up". When all the "physically" in this tournament hit an end; 17 went the *PSYCHOLOGICAL* route and really "got in Jiren's mind" bring up Jiren's past memories of his failures to protect his people and companions in his past life. Jiren can "dismiss" all he wants he knew that 17 got that "opening" on Jiren so even why 17 sacrifices himself to save his teammates, Jiren must have some kind of respect to 17 knowing his "honour" to protect those he cares about which Jiren once stood for in his early days as a warrior.
Dumbass. Jiren is not a killing machine, he actually helps people by defeating bad guys. He doesn't kill. FYI Jiren isn't that stupid robot who cries when they talk smack. This a tournament to show who's the strongest not who is the gayest.
Baraly Clinbama if you didn't notice, before just then, he showed no emotion and even later on he shows hardly any emotions other than anger at the opponents, while he isn't a villain he isn't a friendly person either.
If your cerebral cortex seriously had trouble reading what he said because of a few quotation marks... you shouldn’t be watching DBS you should be in school trying really hard to acquire common intelligence
I totally agree! If the one thing Jiren was trying to escape was feelings of betrayal and letdown from the past, then bringing that up definitely got in his head. I think the reason Jiren hasn't knocked off Goku and Vegeta is because he hasn't quite decided about his wish, and seeing how far Vegeta has come without giving up his attachments, is making him reconsider whether what he thought was the only option is true. Because Jiren could have finished the tournament a long time ago but he didn't want to care, and it seems like he is giving everyone else their wish. Goku's wish was to fight the strongest fighter, Vegeta's wish is to be stronger than Goku, and Android 17's wish was to feel human. Jiren's wish is to either have someone he can fully trust and rely on, or to stop feeling the desire to have someone to trust. By pushing them Jiren is also getting his wish. Heck, Frieza is also getting his wish because he will be resurrected. The only people truly passionate about their wish have remained, and that's probably not a coincidence. Also, Jiren probably feels a slave to the desire for power, and knows if he stopped desiring, that he could be enlightened and find peace. His journey to get strength started out of a desire to protect, but now he has the responsability of a god, because he is so strong that whatever he does determines fate. People like Frieza think they want that power, but Frieza doesn't know how lonely it would feel when everyone else is just a puppet. Life became meaningless once not only were everyone else puppets, but cowardly unfaithful puppets. I also don't think it is a coincidence that Jiren doesn't trust anyone, and here Goku is which 3 sworn enemies not only fighting at his side, but 2 of which were willing to give their life for Goku. That probably is messing with Jiren's mind so much. He has probably been dragging out the fight to see what they will do. I think Jiren wants them to beat him, because at least he could die with hope that people are good.
In your opinion. In mine, he’s one of the best and one of my favorites ever since DBZ. (Original not kai. I stopped watching kai) I do agree with you. He is very chill when he fought in the tournament
Even though you're right, don't forget they're in the void. Probably old baba doesn't even know how to get there, and even if she knew she couldn't do anything
Malitia Gfunt I don't like how 17. He was a mistake He's just plot armored and wanked They changed his whole personality with no real character development He had no seen character growth They just turned him into something he wasnt
Jay Parker they already explained that shit.. it's probably been like 10 years since he was evil so they don't have to make 10 episodes showing how he is good. He has a family nd sht.
I fucking love 17, he's one my favorites if not my most favorite character in all of Dragon Ball. He's come so far and even though it's not well explained, it is legit. He's carries so much weight in Super and I'm glad he was such a big part in Super and I hope he continues to be a big part in the next series
I love him too. He’s one of my favorite characters and one of the best. Love him as both a hero and a villain. Love both timelines where he has children of his own and a wife and love the other timeline where he doesn’t. Screw anyone that says he’s garbage.
You really think jiren is dumb enough to accidently kill someone with his ki???? Bruh all it was gonna do at most it hurt them alot but mainly knock them off, jirens not dumb
@@Lazy-Sage in that moment jiren was really angry since 17 was inside his head, so i wouldnt be suprised if he forgot about everything and went after 17
Imagine just one moment if 17 and 18 got the same "Ki absorption mechanism" 19 and 20 got. He'd have been able to absorb that monstruous attack and destroy Jiren alone. Both mentally and physically.
Man to think that 17 and 18 should have been mercyless androids who destroyed humanity in an alternate future but instead ended up saving the universe tells you how much they progressed as characters.
I love how the Tournament of Power is written. Before it began, I thought it ws gonna be a Goku show... And to some extent it is, with him getting Ultra Instinct and probably closing this arc, but the other characters were utilized a lot more than I wished, with 17 being an unexpected MVP, no matter what happens now. Even though it has some problems, I really love this arc!
You know... 17 has been THE best part of this arc. And really the only reason I was interested to keep up with the arc because I wanted to see what he could do now. And I love this more calm and calculated version of 17. You can tell he's grown a lot from his days stealing cars and hunting down Goku. I can't wait to see how the English Dub handles 17 in the Tournament Arc and how they handle the voice for him. I never really liked 17 back in the Android saga... He seemed sorta bland... A generic childish villain. But now... He is so much more interesting. And his sacrifice, while it pissed me off that he had to die, was definitely the best moment in this arc. Honestly... With how bored I've been in this arc, and how angry it's made me, 17 ALMOST redeemed the final battle. 17 DEFINITELY is the MVP of this tournament. Honestly... Him and Vegeta are the best parts of this arc because they're getting great character development. And they're both more developed than Goku (which honestly... That's not saying much since Goku hasn't really developed in terms of personality at all from when he was a kid.)
17 is the most relatable character in DBS.... I can see me doing everything he did, even the pointless killing and attacks on the cities because if I was taken and forced into being an android and being controlled and threatened, I'd lash out in anger too but then realize that I was just acting out of rage, and trust me on this, anger can control you and make you do bad things but it doesn't define who you are. If you make mistakes in life you can always make it right.... Too bad we don't have Dragon Balls cause I'm sure a lot of people would love to correct mistakes they've made in the past.
Jiren has been hugely nerfed since he went meditating, before meditation he was so op, he tossed ssj blue like nothing and had no weakness, only talking hits from hit and goku ui, but after meditation vegeta and goku were able to hold themselves up against him as ssj blue, then even 17 was able to hold himself up against jiren and then first to deal damage to jiren, even frieza was able to land a kick on him. Major plothole Btw I missed your videos man
M J could it be zenkai boost tho? I was thinking like... this tournament rules was a bit favorable to the saiyans... most of the stronger fighters leave there enemies near death. Also 17 was pretty calculating dont really think he was fighting head on with Jiren. He had a plan
Also. Goku and Vegeta have gotten stronger since then as you can see in the anime Vegeta gained a new power up and Goku has continued to break his limits in pushing himself.
17 and Piccolo. The kings of psychological warfare. LOL. I remember when Piccolo was trying to get into 17s head during their fight before cell showed up.
17 is that silent member in your coop games that spends most of the time just watching the main players and the enemies, studying how they work. And once the big teammates die or get low hp, he comes out of nowhere and starts carrying the team in his own unique style that at first it seems it won't work but it does and once he wins he's humble enough to not say anything or if he does, just "gg team"
im still dumbfounded as to how badass 17 actually turned out to be.. i just thought... Ughhh someone who cant even beat cell? Really? *goku and vegeta are helpless lying on the floor for half an episode.... 17 only Goes toe to toe with jiren and talks shit to him as he damages him and wrestles fists ripping his shirt as jiren is smashing him around but 17 is bouncing back off the walls* o.O yep.. useless park ranger who cant beat cell ok..... also 17 tanked the same attack that had goku and jeetz broken on the floor for half an episode.
MrSpardas 17 has gotten gradually stronger, he trains and is able to compete with a Super Saiyan blue Goku. He probably learned how to use his Ki properly like a warrior who has a power of a God
I’d forgotten how everyone tried to make this arc poetic and meaningful, thinking there was something deep to the point of the story. And then there was actually nothing of substance to any of it.
Like most human interactions. If you see them quickly most are without substance but once you stop to examine them in detail everything gets complicated.
It was awesome seeing Piccolo beating down 17's punk ass and now, it was amazing to see 17 mature as a character and take on the strongest mortal ever. He may be gone now, but his words and memories will live on.
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17’s back must hurt from all the carrying he’s done
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true
So true
Good one
@@vursify you make me sick
"Sacrificing himself in the tournament for the sake of everything is the most human thing he can do, there's nothing cyborg about it"
Seems everyone forgets that's exactly what 16 did
Yeah but 16 and universe 7 wasn't facing Erasure instantly. They were only facing a roided-up insect Saiyan hybrid who could have easily gotten destroyed by Broly himself or even Majin Buu! Granted I cried when 16 died and it still brings tears to my eyes now but they weren't facing anywhere close to the threat that they we're all facing in the tournament of power and that's the symbolism that they're trying to pass off to the viewer cuz if you've noticed or if you haven't noticed I don't know each Arc has a different scale threat like for instance zamasu black was just a threat to the distant future and if they could manage to pull their plan off the future of the Multiverse itself but even then it still wasn't anywhere close to being as much of a threat as zen-oh erasing the entirety of the Multiverse with the snap of his fingers like Thanos. At least if samasu had one there would still be a Multiverse maybe not with Mortals in it but there still would have been a Multiverse
@@chrisbogan6519 chris bogan man it's the same level of threat for the time. The universe wasn't at stake during the Cell Saga, sure, but it wasn't a thing at that point that the universe could get destroyed? The stakes were Earth. Android 16 only experienced Earth, so that was everything to him. Cell was trying to blow up Earth, the universe as a whole wasn't involved at all. If down the line someone 1000x stronger than Jiren shows up are you going to say the same thing about Android 17s sacrifice?
@@chrisbogan6519 chris bogan man it's the same level of threat for the time. The universe wasn't at stake during the Cell Saga, sure, but it wasn't a thing at that point that the universe could get destroyed? The stakes were Earth. Android 16 only experienced Earth, so that was everything to him. Cell was trying to blow up Earth, the universe as a whole wasn't involved at all. If down the line someone 1000x stronger than Jiren shows up are you going to say the same thing about Android 17s sacrifice?
@@fruitytuna2817 16 sacrifice it doesn't matter Zeno can erase the Multiverse without a thought
chris bogan ?????? Bro when did Zeno come up in the conversation?
I like how 17 puts his shield up around himself and Jiren, just before Jiren releases his energy, causing Jiren to get damaged by his own blast. 17 is an extremely good tactician.
Yeah so true
Yup! ^_^
I will never accept his powerup to SSB goku level from being a glorified shepherd but the fighting tactics of 17 are definitrly thr most high IQ.
Goku and vegeta seriously need more of these moments
@@maalikserebryakovhe wasn’t actual SSB level or he would have been able to 1v1 Pride Trooper Toppo. People don’t understand the concept of holding back in sparring matches but ‘showing’ your real power. Krillin, 18, 17, and probably even Gohan were not at SSB level before the tournament. In real martial arts world champions can spar with beginners and the beginner will have no idea how much the expert is holding back.
+17 was fighting alien armies on an island while minimizing damage to the terrain by himself for yeaaaars
@@CoolguyDaniel10 cope if he was gonan hold back then why use his strongest form to use only 0.00001% of his power?
admit it the Animators just had fun spamming Super saiyan blue 🤭
Jiren: ur weak
17: thts why ur momma dead, dead as hell
Jiren: -♾ to all stats
*17*: What power she got now, what power she got in her casket. That's why you granny got no knees. She cant pray with no power level
What strength she got? Dead strength
Jiren: you're weak
17: your momma died because you were too weak to protect her
Jiren: that was in the past
17: who said that this is the future
Jiren: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Chautsu: WHAT'S 10+10
Jiren: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMM
Goku: 17 DO IT NOW
17 used barrier it was super effective
That’s oddly similar to teamfourstars parody titled frieza destroys jiren
im the 1k like, absolutely deserved 💀💀💀
17 is the master at head games. Him, and espically with 18, can unfocus anyone.
Indeed, 18 is a master at head. 🌚
@@DarkWolfJr1000 Krillin has experienced that first hand!
@@DarkWolfJr1000 18 has ultra instinct level head game
Ayomide Idowu typically when Frieza provokes people it makes them angry enough to reach new power levels.
@@DarkWolfJr1000 18 = head. 17 = games.
Jiren: What can you do alone?
Android 17: Your mom.
Vegito Bluer 😂😂😂
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“How android 17 got into Jiren’s head”
@@19AssassinPR93 lol
OHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOH
It's crazy how 17 evolved from a character I didn't care about to one of my favorite characters during the tournament
JustAGuy that's just how much depth all the characters have in the show where all it takes is a total of 30 minutes of screen time to become a favorite
JustAGuy k
just still cant beleive how 17 went from "Oh ... someone cell saga level" ... to "OOHHHH hes talkin shit to jiren.. he damaged jiren he's running around blasting him going toe to toe . locking arms and ripping his shirt talking shit to jiren. then there's goku and vegeta on the floor " Dayum..... no cunt expected that much off him, i loved that moment where jiren smashed all his barriers and punches 17, but the exact moment 17 hits the wall he immediately fires back an attack straight off the bat. Or notice when he knocked vegeta out the way to take a full blown double whack. which the same would put goku or vegeta down. but 17 gets back up. He proved that his toughness is greater than any other U7 character. The attack that knocked all 3 of them down had goku an jeetz still on the floor totally fucked as 17 is buzzing around getting smashed to shit and talkin shit to jiren had me shocked and hyped.
PainlessPanda most of the characters now have no fucking depth dragon ball has really fallen off because they introduce characters and barely go in depth to them I don’t expect all but even hit doesn’t have a backstory or anything for the matter
Thats because he is a fan favorite spanning from GT. Only the fan favorites got called into super
why am I getting this recommended in 2024
Same it must be because I love dragon ball
@@ThatsBarbarici dont but here i am
@@Littlejack69420 same here
Same fr
Ik wth
Few weeks later
17:I DIDNT DIE!!
Lmao
Lepis
17 is alive
So true they broke our hearts for no reason or the creator forgot 17 sacrifices himself
Stop telling everyone im dead
"Sometimes I can still hear his voice"
17 had the most outstanding performance in the tournament. From saving Goku and Vegeta to making the wish, he stood out the most all around.
he also had 9 eliminations in the manga
@@Kavrina-h5f that's ... like an entire team?
@@Depressed_until_dead yea
I think Master Roshi had the best performance personally.
@brandonadams6108 no doubt for him being one of the 2 humans which definitely is more of a disadvantage then being any other race and also being old as fuck when he was fighting the dude that was constantly getting stronger def put up one of the best showings
In the end, 17 won the tournament of power
Well goku and frieza got jiren out. So
@@tanyamullen4797 so he is the true MVP
Nah goku is because wothout him 17’s sacrfice would be nothing
@@TheVenkite 17's "sacrifice" was the reason Goku and Frieza even had the chance to take out Jiren
TheVenkite Shtupid
17 was the most interesting character in Super. And I just love his voice actor. I was very pleasantly thrilled when he was the last person standing at the end.
That thumbnail is insane
Legendary Goku ik but its still pretty good :/
I’ve seen it a few months ago
Drake Myers reminded me of the time 17 was a crazy psycopath that would randomly kill people for no reason.
I think that thumbnail art was inspired by this vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/5/51/Goku_Black_Insane.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20161103172715
He always has the best thumbnails...probably why he gets so many views
17 lived to kill goku and now he got killed to save goku
We will never forget you 17😭😭
sam ua07 Don’t worry 😉.
shin co 😓😓
17 isn't dead though cause Jiren would be disqualified if he killed him
Phil Colman he is dead, just that jiren didn't kill him, 17 killed himself
Phil Colman 17 self destruct himself to beat the attack of jiern
17 is just chilling with Hit's clone people. He'll be back soon.
Goal Finisher this comment is sooooo underrated
I don't know what you mean by hits clone?
Sasnar Dash its how hits time skip works
Alejandro C. Roldan frieza is doing it too
@Sasnar Dash
it's a meme that came from hit's cloning ability (that paradox time skip stuff) because fanboys didn't want to accept universe 6 died. it's used for every character that drops out from the tournament in a non-obvious way
17: Did I die ? Yes
17 a few episodes later: But I lived !
Its time to get...
Buck wild!
17: You fool... you really thought killing me would be enough to make me die?!
@@TheGooseOfChaosthat's hilarious
17 is the real MVP no matter what happens now. He has done so much! 17 for the win.
Gay
Jay Parker how is that gay? It's the truth
Jay Parker ikr
17 ded so he can't win now lol
Jay Parker Your mom gay
I think that when 17 said “So you were just using those guys to your own ends.”, he was referring to jiren not competing or stepping in when his teammates were having trouble, thus letting them get eliminated so he could ultimately be the last one stand and obtain the super dragon balls for his own (and still unknown wish). Which is why I believe that in addition to Jiren’s backstory, 17 used this knowledge to further edge him on as he says “Do you think you can make things the way they were if you win?” to manipulate the fact that he has an IDEA of what his opponents true character is, so he changes the way it is perceived without falsifying it to strike a nerve. Just for those who are confused
You are definitely the GOAT for this comment
USA's Last Resort it’s not true though. Jiren hopped in and saved dispo
I like how 17 uses phycological tactics to hit jirens nerves indeed a very good strategist yet he come up with that all on his own you gotta love the once criminal android for his commitment to universe 7
He gonna wish for hair
Yeah, that and how he doesn’t really care about his team though. He would have never sacrificed himself for a teammate like some of the universe 7 fighters would have.
17 isn't dead
He's hiding with Hit's clone
PIN.THIS.COMMENT.
No. lmao.
Lmao 😂 that killed me
Lol
😂
When you find out 17 won the tournament
17: JK not dead LOL.
He did won the tournament
@@ronaldfromyt0110 he self destructed and me a pokemon fan knows that self destruction kill the user
@@coldore6734 he is not dead dumb bish
Just watch the anime
@@mynameisunknown2771 are you sure you’re over 13?
I mean, everyone has a worse backstory than jiren. Vegeta's parents along with his entire race have been killed by a guy he's collaborating with. Goku has never even met his parents. 17 has been kidnapped and turned into an android, gero messed up his mind and made him evil. C'mon jiren, get over it...
Mauro Ventimiglia vegeta didnt care about his people neither does goku, and they have dragon balls jiren doesnt
Goku also also killed his father figure as a great ape if I recall
the story did NOT justify his strength, it only showed us WHY he wants to become strong.
If you look at part of Jiren backstory...Jiren parents death kinda reminds me of batman 😂
Damien Montalto well that's a fair point
#Give17HisFuckingBoat
xD
Please give him a boat
Jorge O this should be trend 😂
#CruiseFor17
Colt The GOAT CRUISER*
Android 17 is the real MVP
nope master roshi is
juju bro w. Plus he won the tournament
he saved idk 1 quadrillion people?
Yamcha I think
@@jud1114 Yes. If Yamcha never made the sacrifice of losing so early, he would have accidentally killed Jiren and gotten himself disqualified, leaving Goku and Vegeta to fall to Toppo
Not sure why this video is in my feed but this shit is like a time capsule. The vid, the comments, takes me back to the ToP and all the internet reacting to the new episodes as they dropped😂
Fr bro
ongg
Better times.. Watched this with my friend who committed suicide 1 year ago. RIP Tori too lol
I miss these days high key. It’ll be nice to see is acting like that again when Daima and season 2 of Super comes out
It's still surprising 17 managed to hurt Jiren though
I think it's similar to how Goku was fucked up by Sorbet's raygun in the Resurrection F arc. He simply didn't know he was coming so his guard wasn't up.
CARLOS RODRIGUEZ yeah even hit cant HIT him after goku got beaten
Yeah well, Belmod's kind of a dumbass
The only person thus far
I think Jiren’s ego was hit the most by 17
Shit with that 17 thumbnail he got in my head
I was hoping right before 17 sacrificed himself...He would ask Jiren " How does it feel? Knowing you are no better than the evil that destroyed your friends and family."
Bill Billinger omfg 😂💀
Bill Billinger Jiren isn't evil, just arrogant
pablo sanchez no killing i think jiren would kill unlike batman
Bill Billinger that wud have killed him
Bill Billinger bro that woudve been so dope if he did
I read the title as “how 17 got Jirens head”
Ur big gay
Hextin no u
Im big gay
@X4TERUMI whats wrong with being gay?
@X4TERUMI are you homophobic?
Yes, I ended up sacrificing myself to save the others...
..But I lived!
i dont think he planned on surviving, but due to his power jump in super he was able to withstand the attack and keep fighting. similar to vegeta surviving his suicide attack against topo
Yeah and I like how android that was. A human wouldn't have survived that.
@@user-ym2kb1cp5e He’s actually a cyborg. Him and 18. They have human parts still. That explains why 18 was able to get it on all night long with Krillin and get a baby.
@@JenniferPoole.33272 😂
@@Uncle_Joseph Lmao XD
R.I.P #17: The real MVP
Frost 221 Maaaaaannnnnnnn 17 is one of the few characters I liked wish his ass back
Frost 221 stop
MVP means
Step B. SW223000 well this is dragon ball, that's what usually happens
Frost 221 stop it u minecraft fanboy
So many people were like oh 17 isn’t gonna do anything
Suck Boiled eggs they underestimate him because of jiren
Cuz he's gay
Jay Parker you're gay nigga. You would've soiled your pants in front of Jiren and A17 didn't, and even dissed him
Koraxus I wouldn't be scared of Jiren cause he's a 2d fictional character
I'm a 3d non fictional being which means I'm infinitely more powerful than him
17 is still gay. In a no holds fight Jiren would cream pie 17
If you were a 2D character you'd be Yamcha or Pilaf
It's kind of cool to see the two paths 17 took. In the Future Trunks timeline, he embraces his sociopathic side and doesn't care for much more than 18 and his own personal needs. A completely selfish and evil guy. In the present timeline, he had that choice to go down that path too but having the direction from 16 to kill Goku at least stabilized him and his fight with Piccolo taught him respect and with his death and resurrection he learned the value of life and what it is to be human and we get to see where his path took him in the Tourney of power arc. It's really cool.
I like that you pointed that out. The only reason 17 and 18 are different than they are in Trunks' timeline is BECAUSE of 16's influence. We don't get much exposition of 17 and 18, only that they were humans once and Gero shut them down because he couldn't control them. I like to think what led to that was them discovering what he did to his own son, let alone them.
“Sacrificing myself to save others, look at me being all human”***
Funny😐
Well, he isn’t wrong. Not completely. He still has human parts. He’s a cyborg.
17 will be missed dearly, until he gets revived with the Earth's Dragon Balls
Definitely Not Ben earth balls can’t bring him back. He was wished back once already
Hotcheetojuice what about namkeian dragon balls?
Zaxizoid Yeah, Supreme Kai has been to Namek before, so he knows where it is, he can use them for the wish.
17 won't be missed. Hope he's not revived
He's not even in the 7'th universe. They are fighting in a black void where there is supposed to be nothing. Dont think some dragon balls from earth can wish him back.
If they beat Jiren via the mind rather than the fist, I can finally see a method for defeating Jiren.
*And yes, it'd be better than Goku mastering Ultra Instinct in three minutes*
Sam Wurdemann go eat a tic tac
lol sure it would
They could beat him by saying "save martha"
Sam Wurdemann I wished they fused
Sam Wurdemann Welp...
17 seems to be the best character when it comes to reacting off anger, using his fight vs. Kakunsa or whatever her name is he continues to get in her mind rent free using that to literally treat her (and Jiren in that respect) like the animals he so easily deals with on Earth. He also uses the same tactics but with a slight different to get his opponent on guard for what they assumed is going to be the same played out tactic, but with one twist that can literally change everything. And his mind games are something we’ve seen since Z to a slight degree.
It's slight mental conditioning, and he does the same thing in fighterz, you expect him to do one thing then your blindsided by a whole new set of attacks, only for him to do it all over again
Idea for TFS, if they do Super, have 17 be like Ghost Nappa, but to Jiren.
Definitely Not Ben ohhhh shit that would be funny af
Slick sarcasm in the mind of a mute musclehead. Fucking ingenious.
Definitely Not Ben yh in afew decades
Definitely Not Ben yeah we can wait twenty years for that one
TFS ToP arc to be released in 2030, stay tuned.
seems like jiren is just a stuck up child
Gowtham O Gowtham well mentally yes
How exactly?
Gowtham O Gowtham Jiren backstory is weak but. Seriously have you lost your parents becaus someone killed them?
Lalo Lalo lmao
Wow 118 likes just wow
You know that a show is truly made up when a support gets MVP.
At least it’s not fucking goku
That's cool but when does Vegeta get it?
@@dampesthydra7422 vegeta was mvp in moro ark
Android 17 knows talk no jutsu confirmed.
He learned it from Naruto
@@morado5827 he is older than naruto is no
17 talk no jutsu is better than the creator(naruto)
@@anwylconroyrebello6223 you 1 year old you don't know how powerful naruto uses talk no jutsu, 17 is a ant compared to naruto
@@mitvasagar6985 naruto talk no jutsu is wat he only talk about his backstory 17s talk no jutsu more like roast no jutsu would annihilate naruto
This better not be the last we see of him
It better be
Ky$ smal dik
It won't. We'll see champs again, with U6 and I'm sure U11 too
17 is the only good character in this show anymore. If he's gone for good I'm fucking done with this series
McSalty Sack No you're not lmao
Last time i was this early, yamcha was a strong fighter
Wait..
Zemore yamcha is jiren in disguise
Zemore but everytime I fight YaMcHa in fighterZ
Zemore lol he could kick our asses though, don’t forget about that
Zemore yamcha is saiyan
Green Frog he is a tea
Hmmm... In some way I think 17 is pleased to know that Jiren isn't a soulless, heartless "killing machine" because 17 would have even less respect for Jiren should Jiren actually have won the tournament.
Perhaps Jiren "deep down" knows what 17 was "digging for" which is why Jiren proceeded to quickly "end it all" saying "Time's up".
When all the "physically" in this tournament hit an end; 17 went the *PSYCHOLOGICAL* route and really "got in Jiren's mind" bring up Jiren's past memories of his failures to protect his people and companions in his past life.
Jiren can "dismiss" all he wants he knew that 17 got that "opening" on Jiren so even why 17 sacrifices himself to save his teammates, Jiren must have some kind of respect to 17 knowing his "honour" to protect those he cares about which Jiren once stood for in his early days as a warrior.
Jed Mask I like the thought process but all the quotation marks make this look like a paragraph in Jojo
Dumbass. Jiren is not a killing machine, he actually helps people by defeating bad guys. He doesn't kill. FYI Jiren isn't that stupid robot who cries when they talk smack. This a tournament to show who's the strongest not who is the gayest.
Baraly Clinbama if you didn't notice, before just then, he showed no emotion and even later on he shows hardly any emotions other than anger at the opponents, while he isn't a villain he isn't a friendly person either.
So many "quotations", I don't even know what you're "Saying"
If your cerebral cortex seriously had trouble reading what he said because of a few quotation marks... you shouldn’t be watching DBS you should be in school trying really hard to acquire common intelligence
This was 6yrs ago.......i cant help but feel sad and a bit old
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
TH-cam: imma recommend this 2 year old video to this guy
6 yo video now
Time capsule af
@@federicocaputo9966 yup :/
6 years here
"17 is the MVP. Even if Goku knocks out Jiren, it is because of what 17 did" that line aged like wine.
I totally agree! If the one thing Jiren was trying to escape was feelings of betrayal and letdown from the past, then bringing that up definitely got in his head. I think the reason Jiren hasn't knocked off Goku and Vegeta is because he hasn't quite decided about his wish, and seeing how far Vegeta has come without giving up his attachments, is making him reconsider whether what he thought was the only option is true. Because Jiren could have finished the tournament a long time ago but he didn't want to care, and it seems like he is giving everyone else their wish. Goku's wish was to fight the strongest fighter, Vegeta's wish is to be stronger than Goku, and Android 17's wish was to feel human. Jiren's wish is to either have someone he can fully trust and rely on, or to stop feeling the desire to have someone to trust. By pushing them Jiren is also getting his wish. Heck, Frieza is also getting his wish because he will be resurrected. The only people truly passionate about their wish have remained, and that's probably not a coincidence. Also, Jiren probably feels a slave to the desire for power, and knows if he stopped desiring, that he could be enlightened and find peace. His journey to get strength started out of a desire to protect, but now he has the responsability of a god, because he is so strong that whatever he does determines fate. People like Frieza think they want that power, but Frieza doesn't know how lonely it would feel when everyone else is just a puppet. Life became meaningless once not only were everyone else puppets, but cowardly unfaithful puppets. I also don't think it is a coincidence that Jiren doesn't trust anyone, and here Goku is which 3 sworn enemies not only fighting at his side, but 2 of which were willing to give their life for Goku. That probably is messing with Jiren's mind so much. He has probably been dragging out the fight to see what they will do. I think Jiren wants them to beat him, because at least he could die with hope that people are good.
6 years ago is crazy 😭
Nah fr
17 is the best character in dbs and he is so chill when he's fighting
In your opinion. In mine, he’s one of the best and one of my favorites ever since DBZ. (Original not kai. I stopped watching kai) I do agree with you. He is very chill when he fought in the tournament
*Freeza's 24 hr gonna run out of time due to excessive use of energy.*
Even though you're right, don't forget they're in the void. Probably old baba doesn't even know how to get there, and even if she knew she couldn't do anything
SHUBHAM RAGHUWANSHI Not like that matters in super
I hope they bring back 17 one day..
Malitia Gfunt I don't like how 17. He was a mistake
He's just plot armored and wanked
They changed his whole personality with no real character development
He had no seen character growth
They just turned him into something he wasnt
Malitia Gfunt better than this new 17. Back when he had a real personality
Jay Parker they already explained that shit.. it's probably been like 10 years since he was evil so they don't have to make 10 episodes showing how he is good. He has a family nd sht.
Al G Dude tf you talking about screw you don’t you desrespect 17 like he’s awesome I don’t give a shit what you say
Dan Loomis whatever you’re talking about
I fucking love 17, he's one my favorites if not my most favorite character in all of Dragon Ball. He's come so far and even though it's not well explained, it is legit. He's carries so much weight in Super and I'm glad he was such a big part in Super and I hope he continues to be a big part in the next series
I love him too. He’s one of my favorite characters and one of the best. Love him as both a hero and a villain. Love both timelines where he has children of his own and a wife and love the other timeline where he doesn’t.
Screw anyone that says he’s garbage.
And then he comes back and wins the tournament
The biggest thing 17 damaged was Jiren’s ego.
Mah boi did good
*F*
Why didn't 17 just take the blast (instead of killing himself)? It'd kill him, Jiren would be disqualified and universe 7 would win.
But then you gotta think,
how in the hell is he alive.
Kapt Kompo yeah he didn’t kill him self
You really think jiren is dumb enough to accidently kill someone with his ki???? Bruh all it was gonna do at most it hurt them alot but mainly knock them off, jirens not dumb
Zenos wouldn't have allowed that
@@Lazy-Sage in that moment jiren was really angry since 17 was inside his head, so i wouldnt be suprised if he forgot about everything and went after 17
Honestly 17 deserved to win that tournament, glad he was able to
Yeah totally
Same! ^.^
“In the latest episode of Dragon Ball Super”
You did NOT just hit me with a “Nostlagia” and “You’re old as fuk” card at the same time
Imagine just one moment if 17 and 18 got the same "Ki absorption mechanism" 19 and 20 got. He'd have been able to absorb that monstruous attack and destroy Jiren alone. Both mentally and physically.
17 is my favorite character, honestly. He is such a cool android and he even has really flashy attacks that I love to watch again and again.
It's been so long, I was actually slapped back when he said "In the latest episode of Dragon Ball Super..."
In the latest episode...i get this video 6 years later 😂lol ok
Man to think that 17 and 18 should have been mercyless androids who destroyed humanity in an alternate future but instead ended up saving the universe tells you how much they progressed as characters.
Why am i getting this recommended to me 5 years later
I love how the Tournament of Power is written. Before it began, I thought it ws gonna be a Goku show... And to some extent it is, with him getting Ultra Instinct and probably closing this arc, but the other characters were utilized a lot more than I wished, with 17 being an unexpected MVP, no matter what happens now. Even though it has some problems, I really love this arc!
17 is so cool.
Even in the cell saga, especially when he fights piccolo.
So cool 🔥
Indeed
You know... 17 has been THE best part of this arc. And really the only reason I was interested to keep up with the arc because I wanted to see what he could do now. And I love this more calm and calculated version of 17. You can tell he's grown a lot from his days stealing cars and hunting down Goku. I can't wait to see how the English Dub handles 17 in the Tournament Arc and how they handle the voice for him. I never really liked 17 back in the Android saga... He seemed sorta bland... A generic childish villain. But now... He is so much more interesting. And his sacrifice, while it pissed me off that he had to die, was definitely the best moment in this arc. Honestly... With how bored I've been in this arc, and how angry it's made me, 17 ALMOST redeemed the final battle. 17 DEFINITELY is the MVP of this tournament. Honestly... Him and Vegeta are the best parts of this arc because they're getting great character development. And they're both more developed than Goku (which honestly... That's not saying much since Goku hasn't really developed in terms of personality at all from when he was a kid.)
17 is the most relatable character in DBS.... I can see me doing everything he did, even the pointless killing and attacks on the cities because if I was taken and forced into being an android and being controlled and threatened, I'd lash out in anger too but then realize that I was just acting out of rage, and trust me on this, anger can control you and make you do bad things but it doesn't define who you are. If you make mistakes in life you can always make it right.... Too bad we don't have Dragon Balls cause I'm sure a lot of people would love to correct mistakes they've made in the past.
My percentage on my phone is 17 lol
Edit : I also have an android lol
Ssb Vegito Illuminati confirmed
Stay right were you are
Mines too lmao
Mine is 71
Ssb Vegito mine is 47
Thumbnail low key scared the shit out of me
Jiren has been hugely nerfed since he went meditating, before meditation he was so op, he tossed ssj blue like nothing and had no weakness, only talking hits from hit and goku ui, but after meditation vegeta and goku were able to hold themselves up against him as ssj blue, then even 17 was able to hold himself up against jiren and then first to deal damage to jiren, even frieza was able to land a kick on him. Major plothole
Btw I missed your videos man
M J could it be zenkai boost tho? I was thinking like... this tournament rules was a bit favorable to the saiyans... most of the stronger fighters leave there enemies near death. Also 17 was pretty calculating dont really think he was fighting head on with Jiren. He had a plan
M J there just doing that to drag the episodes Jiren is still not at his full strength you can tell by the way he is fighting.
Goku and Vegeta have been getting stronger the whole tournament
Freeza didn't land a hit. Jiren grabbed his leg. That is not connecting a hit in any sense
Also. Goku and Vegeta have gotten stronger since then as you can see in the anime Vegeta gained a new power up and Goku has continued to break his limits in pushing himself.
17 and Piccolo. The kings of psychological warfare.
LOL. I remember when Piccolo was trying to get into 17s head during their fight before cell showed up.
17 basically called out jiren for being predictable
17 FOR HOKAGE
Dylan McPeake big faxx
Dylan McPeake hokage equals my butt
1onald 7ump : he will build a shield
Wrong anime but ok.😂
Wrong anime but hell become a great pirate slayer
17 saved every single universe thus solidifying him as the biggest face character in the history of the entire franchise.
17 is that silent member in your coop games that spends most of the time just watching the main players and the enemies, studying how they work. And once the big teammates die or get low hp, he comes out of nowhere and starts carrying the team in his own unique style that at first it seems it won't work but it does and once he wins he's humble enough to not say anything or if he does, just "gg team"
If you had a dollar every time you saw a first comment how rich would you be
I’d have a tv for each 130 episodes
SSB Shenron
I’d have 10 TVs for each episode
Goku is the MVP for making the trip to 17’s island and inviting him to the tournament
im still dumbfounded as to how badass 17 actually turned out to be.. i just thought... Ughhh someone who cant even beat cell? Really?
*goku and vegeta are helpless lying on the floor for half an episode.... 17 only Goes toe to toe with jiren and talks shit to him as he damages him and wrestles fists ripping his shirt as jiren is smashing him around but 17 is bouncing back off the walls* o.O yep.. useless park ranger who cant beat cell ok..... also 17 tanked the same attack that had goku and jeetz broken on the floor for half an episode.
MrSpardas 17 has gotten gradually stronger, he trains and is able to compete with a Super Saiyan blue Goku. He probably learned how to use his Ki properly like a warrior who has a power of a God
Charles Delcee and besides jiren's weakness is words just like that robot from champa's universe
gero is mvp for making 17
Caleb Bent Lapiz's mom is the mvp for giving birth to him.
17 is my favorite character by far; he was the determining factor in many fights
Cool. For me, he’s one of my favorites.
Getting recommended this in 2024
NOBODY CAN DEFEAT ME WHILE IM SUPER 17!🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
Jiren is just Superman with Batman’s backstory
2:29 in English version he said “ look at me being all human”
Dubs have always had better dialog
Dude basically won the whole tournament from his tactics
Android 17 won tournament of power
Yes #17 is MVP and yes he is the *best*
I’d forgotten how everyone tried to make this arc poetic and meaningful, thinking there was something deep to the point of the story. And then there was actually nothing of substance to any of it.
Like most human interactions. If you see them quickly most are without substance but once you stop to examine them in detail everything gets complicated.
@We Wuz Waaagh!! ! exactly
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 But you can also take complicated interactions and break them down to simple things.
17 ain’t gone, he’s living in jiren’s head rent free
The thumbnail made me think 17 was zarbon 😂😂
kidd braiin 😁😁😁😁yes
I miss Zarbon
Oh my...
EVERYONE RUN ONLY BILL COSBY CAN SAVE YOU FROM WHAT ZARBON WILL DO
When i was a kid i wanted to be future trunks or 17
“When I was a kid” shit I still wanna be Android 17 I’m 28 lol
@@Ookami20 shit I still want to be trunks, also 28 haha
@@MrJLiles14 I am master roshi... 56 year old grandad now.
@@whitealliance9540 lol awesome. Thanks for the response sensei. Master Roshi is one of the best characters too
Super gave 17 a lot of credit this ark
JIR EN Hello I like your fights
Zeno Sama do you know where frieza is cuz i don't remember him getting knocked off and he isn't is the stands anywhere
super trollario bros Maby😏 it will be interesting
Everyone seems to have forgotten that no one can beat him when he’s super 17.
😂😐
17 for Hakaishin !!
Gay
17 highly values nature, animals, humanity, etc. It wouldn't make sense if he went around destroying those things.
Infinite energy hakaishin
Ali Cem 😂
Azan Zaheer 17 for kaioshin !!!!
17 was definitely my favorite in the tournament.
It was awesome seeing Piccolo beating down 17's punk ass and now, it was amazing to see 17 mature as a character and take on the strongest mortal ever. He may be gone now, but his words and memories will live on.
He will live on as one of the wrost written chaarcters and a bad example at making a character relevant.
Nah def MVP.
Mihai Mercenarul wrong!!!
Kevin Echeverria nah
Mihai Mercenarul 17 matured more then Goten and Trunks 😂
Mannnn, I haven’t saw your channel in YEARSSS
The TOP was 6 YEARS AGO??? Holy shit...
Wtf man. 6….years…..ago
Ive always like 17 from the Android saga but this episode made me feel some type of way
Him saying "sacrificing myself to help other people, look at me, being all human" is one of Goku's memories before activating UI
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M (DB) SUPER 17!