This was my favorite multiplayer game on the DS. From map glitches to gameplay mechanics, especially the time period it was in! People used to use the power beam in Combat Hall to shoot messages on the blank wall to share friend codes. There were crazy wall/out of map glitches and secrets that characters had. Trace could live through an omega cannon blast in its presence if he stayed invisible in triskelion form. You could punish people who went out the map with an imperialist (the red sniper laser) by aiming down its sights. When the reticle hyper focused on someone hiding behind the wall, the laser would go through the wall, in most cases, when you shot it. (Get wrecked cheaters.) If you used the judicator’s freeze ability with Noxus, there was also a term called ‘shadow freezing’. You aimed at the ground while charging the freezing shot, aiming at the ground towards the direction of a player. No matter how far away they were, if you aimed right, you could freeze people from far away. There’s just so much, yet so little you’d find online about it. I wish they’d remaster this masterpiece for handhelds or even other consoles, possibly make it a runnable game on a software like Dolphin. (Like how people run smash bros. Melee on their computer.) Heart-Achingly Nostalgic.
My favorite was playing the prime hunter game mode, playing anybody but Weavil, but then using his cannon. You still have the faster shooting speed because you're not Weavil, but you get his affinity bonus of more damage and EXPLOSIONS! SO MANY EXPLOSIONS!!! It was so op but I've never seen anybody else use it.
I remember playing this game with mates via wireless play and owing them . It's a really well thought out and put together game. I've not played a better shooter on a mobile platform honestly. I used to love sniping my mates with the sniper (I think it's the red beam) oh good old days. They need to re release this game in HD with better graphics and larger multiplayer capability. There just isn't a solid first person shooter on the 3DS atm. The PSvita has the kill zone mercenary and it shits on any shooter on 3ds
this speedrun is so absurd and yet i love it. theres a new thing that baffles me around every corner, from clipping into a wall, decimating an arena fight with just morph ball boosting, bomb jumping through a boss, and even rocket jumping. this entire run perfectly encapsulates what i love about TAS runs, and also kinda shows what i didnt know about this game, despite playing and adoring it an unhealthy amount.
It may not be the best experience for Metroid for a DS, but it's sure as hell better than Federation Force. I'm glad I'm able to cherish what I had back then. ☺
@PBJA89 I'm not going to defend Other M, but Federation Force really isn't a bad game, it's just not a proper metroid game. If you can accept it as a mission based co-op FPS with metroid prime style gameplay- it's actually pretty cool. I would even argue it has the best combat of all Prime games, enemies have localized damage and weak points, plus there are way more weapons and tools you can use. That being said I don't think it's really worth playing solo, but it can be a lot of fun with other people. Pretendo doesn't support it yet, but I will jump back in when it does
I remember I would bring my Nintendo DS and Hunters to so e summer day care thing when I was 7 and play this game against all my friends there. It looked so high quality at the time but wow it looks low rez by today's standards. How the times have changed. Still one of my favorite Metroid games, though
Two things that always bothered me about this game is that when you are in outer space and looking at the planets, the sun on the map/bottom screen is not aligned with the real sun/top screen, and the other thing is that there is an unused oribital. But godamn, you just broke this game beyond belief.
Huh. So in this version of events, Spire, Sylux, Noxus and Trace got the coordinates mixed up and ended up on the other side of the galaxy. Or we just skipped past them without them noticing.
Bad ending? BAD ENDING?!?! I can't believe this shit this is some serious shit I've waited my whole life for this TAS (Tool-Assisted Speedrun) to be finished and this is how it ends a glorious shitfest of disappointment absolutely unbelievable nobody cares about the bad ending WHERE IS THE CLOSURE?!?! I wasted so many years waiting for this moment and you completely ruined it for me all of my dreams sacrificed dropped out of college quit my job and left my family behind me all in the hopes of one day seeing the treasure of my favorite video game Metroid Prime Hunters (For the Nintendo DS™) completed in the fastest! possible time! nobody can beat it faster this is the absolute the alpha and omega of speed completed in the most perfect way possible with the good ending but now there is only sadness and so we move on
I can't believe I ended up watching the whole video. There was just something about it that made me continue. I think the speedrun is good and I am simply amazed by it, and that you have completed the game at least four times (I assume). Though, there was just this one thing that kept annnoying me. The fact that you didn't pick up every single missile expansion (or whatever they were called) and the energy tanks, and avoided faraway places to get them.
This was a TAS so it was recorded on emulator using the built in AVI/WAV recording options. You can also find DS hardmods out there that will modify DSes for screen capture.
The glitch where you keep moving for a tiny bit after collecting that artifact? I discovered that by just playing it. Collecting one by being in morph ball form and seeing what happens. Doesn't have to be that specific one. And I saw that it kept my momentum as it automatically had me stand up
lol no human being could do this real time. I used an emulator and tools like frame advance and savestates to make this video. Thus Tool Assisted Speedrun. Go to tasvideos.org if you want to find out more about tool assisted speedruns
aaahhh now i understand. cool. i just bought this game and it seems cool. not to crazy about the backtracking at end of the levels. Reminds me too much of a Halo level i got stuck on because everything looked too similar. well im having fun anyway playing a bunch of old DS games that aren't Mario, Zelda or Pokémon.
I played this game and I personally don't like it. I don't like other FPS games also, just hate to move around and rely on 90° vision with cunning controls. I can play Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission thousands of time but in this case, I don't wanna play it again anymore.
I like this game but never finished it due to the awful controls. I forgot just how much they spammed timelimits and escape sequences for no reason in this game. It'd be great if nintendo Remaster all 3 Prime games and this one to fix the god awful controls.
No cheats were used, but this is not human play. This is a tool assisted speedrun, or TAS. I used emulator tools like frame advance to play the game better than any human could, but I did not alter any code to do so. Read tasvideos.org/WelcomeToTASVideos.html
Wtf a game I play for 10 years (I played it 100%, played online with real people, glitched myself through so many sections in the campaign) has even more glitches than I ever seen in a game wtf hahahaha I'm so buffed cuz this looks cool af... but why has he so much lock on on doors and enemies and why can he use the boost so often and without bugs... I play this game for 10 years now I can't believe that this is legit with no aim bots and so on. But is this legit?
This was a Tool Assisted Speedrun meaning that I used frame advance, save states and other tools to create this. It is meant to be a demonstration of what is possible in the game when you remove human limitations. Read tasvideos.org/WelcomeToTASVideos.html
@@MemoryTAS 4 years later and you still read and reply to comments. Wow! Also it was hilarious seeing VDO's elevator timer just cancel the return to ship timer lol. Also you can through normal gameplay collect VDO octolith 2 before VDO octolith 1!
@@thehiddenninja3428 I mean I still get the notifications and well given I'm TASVideos staff, I'm quite active in the TASing scene. I really need to revisit this game at some point, there's been new tricks found but I kinda want a better emulator than desmume to TAS on.
@@MemoryTAS 10 months late, but I’ve been using MelonDS for DS emulation, it’s been working much better than Desmume did for me, but I don’t know if it would work better for TASing. Something to look into, I suppose
After watching the TAS and looking back, this is probably the worst Metroid game for singleplayer. Incredibly monotonous repeated mobs, tons of backtracking, many unforseen exploits even within the game's own mechanics (bomb jump skips and missile jumps. Look at Fusion for a tightly built Metroid), generic areas (lava, ship, desert), uncreative enemies (floating balls, crawling ball slugs, and wall switches being the main targets), and a 100% locked behind scanning everything. The game's saving graces are the multiplayer, tight controls, affinity weapon selection, and the final boss. I love this game, but if it's going to get a remake or remaster, they're going to need to completely rework the area exploits, the mob selection, and the boss selection at the very LEAST.
@@MemoryTAS It's just an objective flaw with the game structure, not a statement on subjective gameplay. Games such as Fusion can be created without a good chunk of oversights, but Hunters was made with many exploits that let the player skip the developer's crafted and intended pathway because of a mistake. Clearly, flaws can make a gamers' experiences more enjoyable, as watching this is thoroughly entertaining, but it is still an oversight in game design.
@@Spink_Prime Is this a problem with Super Metroid, a game where the game can also easily be broken with bomb jumps and wall jumps? I don't see why it's actually an issue
@@Spink_Prime Like I absolutely would agree the boss design was extremely weak and enemy variety could be heaps better. But I don't think game developers need to be omniscient. The oversights you were talking about aren't exactly braindead and require a tiny bit of thought for players to realize. There are some oversights that can happen without any real thought but these only occur in specific versions of the game. As a result I think these oversights are fine. Is gating the player to only do what is intended really necessary? Fusion has exploits and oversights too but you just don't see many of them due to how the game is structured to force you onto one path.
@@MemoryTAS Fusion does not have clipping or major sequence breaking, and the game mostly plays as the devs intended. For example, if devs wall off an area with something like a Judicator barrier, but you sequence break using a bomb jump, that is a mistake and oversight by the developers. The fact that super metroid can be sequence broken makes it flawed, but many things about super metroid are still well-designed. There are not many (if any) hitbox errors in super metroid like in Hunters (guardians had a hitbox error in a GDQ speedrun i watched). Super metroid doesn't also have major clipping and out-of-bounds issues with it, as far as i'm aware. Correct me if i'm wrong, but clipping is a result of faulty model design or a point where the model or boundary is not adequately represented by the visuals. Is super metroid flawed? Yes, most games are in one way or another, but we should celebrate the games that have few or no errors (if any exist), not excuse mediocrity in games like this because "all games have it" or something. Is clipping and sequence breaking in a way devs did not intend a mistake, and therefore a flaw? Yes. But we celebrate Super Metroid as a masterpiece with few flaws, and we look at Hunters as a flawed game with highlights. Also, whether you, the devs, other speedrunners, or I notice these faulty design elements or not, they are still there and still not desirable in a well-regarded and loved franchise.
![[TAS] Metroid: Zero Mission 100% in 1:01:13 (41:30)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/O8pQgkJR2hY/mqdefault.jpg)
I remember this game used to look like it was in 4K HD when I was like 7
me too
I was like 6 when i first played and I thought the same thing too
8K sometimes
Off topic, that name is beautiful
I know right
This was my favorite multiplayer game on the DS. From map glitches to gameplay mechanics, especially the time period it was in! People used to use the power beam in Combat Hall to shoot messages on the blank wall to share friend codes. There were crazy wall/out of map glitches and secrets that characters had. Trace could live through an omega cannon blast in its presence if he stayed invisible in triskelion form. You could punish people who went out the map with an imperialist (the red sniper laser) by aiming down its sights. When the reticle hyper focused on someone hiding behind the wall, the laser would go through the wall, in most cases, when you shot it. (Get wrecked cheaters.) If you used the judicator’s freeze ability with Noxus, there was also a term called ‘shadow freezing’. You aimed at the ground while charging the freezing shot, aiming at the ground towards the direction of a player. No matter how far away they were, if you aimed right, you could freeze people from far away. There’s just so much, yet so little you’d find online about it. I wish they’d remaster this masterpiece for handhelds or even other consoles, possibly make it a runnable game on a software like Dolphin. (Like how people run smash bros. Melee on their computer.) Heart-Achingly Nostalgic.
I loved mph! It was worth buying a DS just for this game!
I feel you bro. Played for like 600 hours. This is literally the best game ever.
Lmaooo I remember writing to someone on the wall saying "friend?" And he looked at me and said "fuck u" so I started blasting 😆😆😆
@@pspgamerserjio good times haha
My favorite was playing the prime hunter game mode, playing anybody but Weavil, but then using his cannon. You still have the faster shooting speed because you're not Weavil, but you get his affinity bonus of more damage and EXPLOSIONS! SO MANY EXPLOSIONS!!!
It was so op but I've never seen anybody else use it.
There was something cool about the multiplayer maps being based on campaign locations, and you know it.
I remember playing this game with mates via wireless play and owing them . It's a really well thought out and put together game. I've not played a better shooter on a mobile platform honestly. I used to love sniping my mates with the sniper (I think it's the red beam) oh good old days. They need to re release this game in HD with better graphics and larger multiplayer capability. There just isn't a solid first person shooter on the 3DS atm.
The PSvita has the kill zone mercenary and it shits on any shooter on 3ds
this speedrun is so absurd and yet i love it. theres a new thing that baffles me around every corner, from clipping into a wall, decimating an arena fight with just morph ball boosting, bomb jumping through a boss, and even rocket jumping. this entire run perfectly encapsulates what i love about TAS runs, and also kinda shows what i didnt know about this game, despite playing and adoring it an unhealthy amount.
10:43 holy shit.
Again, to this day, the hunters still don't know what hit them.
And the systems there have blue screened after the venture too.
they should make a remake / sequel of this game on new 3ds or maybe the switch
MogGuerro THIS! + with balanced multiplayer and no cheats and no fucking action replay
what about metroid prime 1, 2, and 3?
Rushin / SunDiegoRussia i used to abuse the fuck out of action replay tbh
Fly around above the map, raining missiles down onto everyone lol
MogGuerro the sequel is called Metroid prime 2
Hunters isn't the best Metroid game but it's still a pretty cool game, makes for an amazing TAS too
It may not be the best experience for Metroid for a DS, but it's sure as hell better than Federation Force. I'm glad I'm able to cherish what I had back then. ☺
@PBJA89 I'm not going to defend Other M, but Federation Force really isn't a bad game, it's just not a proper metroid game.
If you can accept it as a mission based co-op FPS with metroid prime style gameplay- it's actually pretty cool. I would even argue it has the best combat of all Prime games, enemies have localized damage and weak points, plus there are way more weapons and tools you can use.
That being said I don't think it's really worth playing solo, but it can be a lot of fun with other people.
Pretendo doesn't support it yet, but I will jump back in when it does
9:57 something about how sudden it all was broke me. This did it. Not all the hunter fights, or clipping, just pure simple cutscene skipping 😆
I was mesmerized! Really well done!
Thank you
Jesus christ i thought this game was more solid than that
I remember I would bring my Nintendo DS and Hunters to so e summer day care thing when I was 7 and play this game against all my friends there. It looked so high quality at the time but wow it looks low rez by today's standards. How the times have changed. Still one of my favorite Metroid games, though
this game got ripped to pieces lmao thoroughly enjoyable to watch
Anyone else find 43:31 ominous? Just a disembodied door floating towards you outta nowhere
that was so fkn cursed ngl
32:41 so good
28:33 and the camera glitch before were golden
Two things that always bothered me about this game is that when you are in outer space and looking at the planets, the sun on the map/bottom screen is not aligned with the real sun/top screen, and the other thing is that there is an unused oribital. But godamn, you just broke this game beyond belief.
I remember playing this game when I was 7 or 8, this tas got further into the game in 45 seconds than I ever could
This game actually looks better than federation force...
everything looks better then that game.
That game is way worse than this one, you don't even play as Samus, you have to defeat samus
One way to tell if this is emulated is the distortions at the planet selection screen.
There is also the fact that this is a TAS which means of course it's emulated
***** Of course. I was mainly talking about the quarks of emulation.
meanwhile people complain about too much oob in Prime and Echoes ...
great TAS MG !
My most beloved Meteoid game.
I want it to return
I thought he was gonna play game normally Naaaaaaa naturally goes through wall
Me: ok
28:31 This TAS might be really cool but this was the coolest thing imo, ricochets are so badass in fps games.
Huh. So in this version of events, Spire, Sylux, Noxus and Trace got the coordinates mixed up and ended up on the other side of the galaxy.
Or we just skipped past them without them noticing.
23:33 Samus: your about to be not alive
THE GAME LIVES!
I would like to see this game remade for Switch.
23:33 gave me a good chuckle. 🤣
Its me or one of the parts of a planet uses a phendrana remix from prime?
Arcterra is deliberately a remix of Phendrana. Additionally the "Spawn Battle" theme is a pretty obvious remix of parasite queen
Bad ending?
BAD ENDING?!?!
I can't believe this shit this is some serious shit I've waited my whole life for this TAS (Tool-Assisted Speedrun) to be finished and this is how it ends a glorious shitfest of disappointment absolutely unbelievable nobody cares about the bad ending WHERE IS THE CLOSURE?!?! I wasted so many years waiting for this moment and you completely ruined it for me all of my dreams sacrificed dropped out of college quit my job and left my family behind me all in the hopes of one day seeing the treasure of my favorite video game Metroid Prime Hunters (For the Nintendo DS™) completed in the fastest! possible time! nobody can beat it faster this is the absolute the alpha and omega of speed completed in the most perfect way possible with the good ending but now there is only sadness and so we move on
lmao
He got a point
Holy fuck I didn't know there were so many glitches. Only 47 minutes sound soo impossible to me, for this game to be beaten.
Had the demo/first hunt. Hated it lol
Meanwhile i needed a guide for Brinstar on the NES
Why does this gun emits portal gun's sounds?
The Celestial Archives is called Ceres Station in the Japanese version? Isn't that confusing? lol
Wow you beat celestial archives 2 in under 7 minutes
17:35 Samus are you okay?
Shush, she's practicing her wavedashing in order to become viable in melee.
Why couldn't Nintendo remake this game on the 3DS instead of Federation force?
shoutouts to my dude DF here in the comments
Lol is this a super early version of the game cause these glitches are hilarious
no I want to say that JP came out later. Most of these glitches work on all versions regardless
The Game Genie becomes human.
Sick vid, Subbed!
The tas makes it look like Samus got some omega level aim assist
Lore-accurate Samus
Just found this
And im already going
"What the hell?!"
damn u fked up that guardian at 39:52 lmao @ headshot
I'd say I fucked up other guardians worse than that. Namely the ones that I sniped as soon as they spawned
lmfao this looks so crazy and i'm only 4 minutes in
I can't believe I ended up
watching the whole video. There was just something about it that made me
continue. I think the speedrun is good and I am simply amazed by it,
and that you have completed the game at least four times (I assume).
Though, there was just this one thing that kept annnoying me. The fact
that you didn't pick up every single missile expansion (or whatever they
were called) and the energy tanks, and avoided faraway places to get
them.
I don't get it
I think he's being complainy about it not being optimized instead of being a 100% run
MikeOShay No I know kirby he probably copy pasted some youtube comment from somewhere but I don't know what that comment was even saying
Haha fair enough. Excellent run by the way.
MikeOShay
Thanks :>
How did you record this gameplay? Researching ways I can livestream/ record playthroughs of older titles on DS and such?
This was a TAS so it was recorded on emulator using the built in AVI/WAV recording options. You can also find DS hardmods out there that will modify DSes for screen capture.
Why the pauses i dont understand them
Pauses reduce lag which allow for faster loads
공략 보러 왔는데 ㄹㅇ 미쳤네
ㄹㅇ개 썩은물….
내 추억 파괴하지마..
추억보러왔는데 ㅠㅠㅠ
Hey MarioGalaxy243g5, Just wanted to let you know I subbed.
24:00 omg
Wow! This is crazy!
47:10 so satisfying;)
I ruined the comments section
Good job.
not last
23:35 lmao
How does one go about discovering these glitches? Is it lots of time messing about with tas and trial and error to optimise pathing?
The glitch where you keep moving for a tiny bit after collecting that artifact?
I discovered that by just playing it. Collecting one by being in morph ball form and seeing what happens. Doesn't have to be that specific one. And I saw that it kept my momentum as it automatically had me stand up
why is it paused when passing the second door everytime? does it make the process faster?
The second door is when the game actually loads the next room and pausing reduces the wait by a couple of frames each time
Memory TAS oh so quick answer! Thank you
Holy crap. how do you kill the bosses with just the morph ball. and shoot targets so fast. lots of practice i guess.
lol no human being could do this real time. I used an emulator and tools like frame advance and savestates to make this video. Thus Tool Assisted Speedrun. Go to tasvideos.org if you want to find out more about tool assisted speedruns
aaahhh now i understand. cool. i just bought this game and it seems cool. not to crazy about the backtracking at end of the levels. Reminds me too much of a Halo level i got stuck on because everything looked too similar. well im having fun anyway playing a bunch of old DS games that aren't Mario, Zelda or Pokémon.
Dodi1932 There are definitely a lot of cool ds games that a lot of people missed out on.
I played this game and I personally don't like it.
I don't like other FPS games also, just hate to move around and rely on 90° vision with cunning controls.
I can play Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission thousands of time but in this case,
I don't wanna play it again anymore.
That's fine but nobody asked
5:58
It wasn't this bad of graphics when I was a kid.
wait you got 2m subs but only got 7.5k views on this speed run why?
No I don't? I have 70 subs lol
Memory TAS oh my thing was glitched it said 2m
Speedy Gonzales
ㅈㄴ추억이다ㅜㅜ
ㅇㅈ
I like this game but never finished it due to the awful controls. I forgot just how much they spammed timelimits and escape sequences for no reason in this game. It'd be great if nintendo Remaster all 3 Prime games and this one to fix the god awful controls.
Youre insane
Neat.
当たり前のように壁抜けするのやめて
💫
A number
NOICE :-D
Man, this game is broken. :P Well done!
Skill level: Asian
Keep this racist crap off my channel please and thank you.
뭔 트랜스폼 상태로 딜이 저만큼 들어가고 온갖 고인물 루트가 있는겨 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 핵같네
42:23 등장 좀 하려는데 무시하고 가버렸..
싱기싱기하다
Is this legit (asides from the glitches)?
No cheats were used, but this is not human play. This is a tool assisted speedrun, or TAS. I used emulator tools like frame advance to play the game better than any human could, but I did not alter any code to do so. Read tasvideos.org/WelcomeToTASVideos.html
oh nice!
Put this on switch as is I will pay £60 I do not care.
Wtf a game I play for 10 years (I played it 100%, played online with real people, glitched myself through so many sections in the campaign) has even more glitches than I ever seen in a game wtf hahahaha I'm so buffed cuz this looks cool af... but why has he so much lock on on doors and enemies and why can he use the boost so often and without bugs... I play this game for 10 years now I can't believe that this is legit with no aim bots and so on. But is this legit?
This was a Tool Assisted Speedrun meaning that I used frame advance, save states and other tools to create this. It is meant to be a demonstration of what is possible in the game when you remove human limitations. Read tasvideos.org/WelcomeToTASVideos.html
Memory TAS oh ok thanks for the answer!
Thought an ai or sthn was playing
Not an AI but played using frame advance.
@@MemoryTAS whats that
@@sorecentipede Basically you can pause to play the game one frame at a time to make the best moves possible, and rewind if you accidentally didn't
@@thehiddenninja3428 wow thats sic
笑うしかねぇ
and the 2º phase of gorea? I know u finish too fast the game, but this ending is bad, not the good ending, of course, u end the game.
The RTA community considers getting bad ending acceptable for any%. Additionally I felt that Gorea phase 2 would have added 0 value to this TAS tbh.
@@MemoryTAS you made the right choice
wow
Is it aim hack?
Tool assisted meaning I played the game by advancing one frame at a time meaning I could do more perfect inputs than any human could ever produce.
Jesus Christ.
WHAT?!?!!
Good question thanks for asking
@@MemoryTAS 4 years later and you still read and reply to comments. Wow!
Also it was hilarious seeing VDO's elevator timer just cancel the return to ship timer lol.
Also you can through normal gameplay collect VDO octolith 2 before VDO octolith 1!
@@thehiddenninja3428 I mean I still get the notifications and well given I'm TASVideos staff, I'm quite active in the TASing scene.
I really need to revisit this game at some point, there's been new tricks found but I kinda want a better emulator than desmume to TAS on.
@@MemoryTAS 10 months late, but I’ve been using MelonDS for DS emulation, it’s been working much better than Desmume did for me, but I don’t know if it would work better for TASing. Something to look into, I suppose
@@Randomness-hz7kj Vanilla MelonDS doesn't have TAS support, I'm waiting on integration into bizhawk
💋
10:45
That's just...that's just bullying
it's fast!
한국인을찾습니다
왜이렇게 이 영상에 한국분들이 많을까요 어디 링크라도 올려졌을까요??
28:05 43:27-43:37 BRO WHAT LMAO
second.
666 viewer amazing game amazing run
After watching the TAS and looking back, this is probably the worst Metroid game for singleplayer. Incredibly monotonous repeated mobs, tons of backtracking, many unforseen exploits even within the game's own mechanics (bomb jump skips and missile jumps. Look at Fusion for a tightly built Metroid), generic areas (lava, ship, desert), uncreative enemies (floating balls, crawling ball slugs, and wall switches being the main targets), and a 100% locked behind scanning everything. The game's saving graces are the multiplayer, tight controls, affinity weapon selection, and the final boss. I love this game, but if it's going to get a remake or remaster, they're going to need to completely rework the area exploits, the mob selection, and the boss selection at the very LEAST.
While I don't disagree with some of this, I don't see how "many unforseen exploits even within the game's own mechanics" is a problem.
@@MemoryTAS It's just an objective flaw with the game structure, not a statement on subjective gameplay. Games such as Fusion can be created without a good chunk of oversights, but Hunters was made with many exploits that let the player skip the developer's crafted and intended pathway because of a mistake. Clearly, flaws can make a gamers' experiences more enjoyable, as watching this is thoroughly entertaining, but it is still an oversight in game design.
@@Spink_Prime Is this a problem with Super Metroid, a game where the game can also easily be broken with bomb jumps and wall jumps? I don't see why it's actually an issue
@@Spink_Prime Like I absolutely would agree the boss design was extremely weak and enemy variety could be heaps better. But I don't think game developers need to be omniscient. The oversights you were talking about aren't exactly braindead and require a tiny bit of thought for players to realize. There are some oversights that can happen without any real thought but these only occur in specific versions of the game. As a result I think these oversights are fine. Is gating the player to only do what is intended really necessary? Fusion has exploits and oversights too but you just don't see many of them due to how the game is structured to force you onto one path.
@@MemoryTAS Fusion does not have clipping or major sequence breaking, and the game mostly plays as the devs intended. For example, if devs wall off an area with something like a Judicator barrier, but you sequence break using a bomb jump, that is a mistake and oversight by the developers. The fact that super metroid can be sequence broken makes it flawed, but many things about super metroid are still well-designed. There are not many (if any) hitbox errors in super metroid like in Hunters (guardians had a hitbox error in a GDQ speedrun i watched). Super metroid doesn't also have major clipping and out-of-bounds issues with it, as far as i'm aware. Correct me if i'm wrong, but clipping is a result of faulty model design or a point where the model or boundary is not adequately represented by the visuals. Is super metroid flawed? Yes, most games are in one way or another, but we should celebrate the games that have few or no errors (if any exist), not excuse mediocrity in games like this because "all games have it" or something. Is clipping and sequence breaking in a way devs did not intend a mistake, and therefore a flaw? Yes. But we celebrate Super Metroid as a masterpiece with few flaws, and we look at Hunters as a flawed game with highlights. Also, whether you, the devs, other speedrunners, or I notice these faulty design elements or not, they are still there and still not desirable in a well-regarded and loved franchise.
Third.
Ah yes, the worst handheld Metroid game.
...Are you forgetting a certain 3DS Metroid game?
@@MemoryTAS Nah, I actually enjoyed Fed Force to a certain degree, probably the actual variety in its gameplay.
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