Why Is Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes SO HATED?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- Nearly two decades on from its launch on the GameCube, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes doesn’t have the best reputation, to say the very least, especially when it comes to the series’ most hardcore fans.
On paper, the idea of re-experiencing the original MGS1 - one of the greatest games ever made - with enhanced visuals, improved gameplay, and redone storytelling should have been an exciting one, but the execution of those ideas left a great deal to be desired in The Twin Snakes, to the point where, for many of the series’ biggest fans, it’s become a prime example of how not to remake a game, especially one as enduringly popular as Metal Gear Solid.
Here, we’re going to dive into exactly where all of that dissatisfaction towards the game comes from.
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It was actually Kojima’s idea to make the cutscenes this way. Silicon Knight originally presented a version that was much closer to the original, but Kojima wanted them to go crazy and make it way different
Solid snake fighting skills in cutscenes should be the way they did here back in ps one was probably harder or impossible to achieve
@@olivier4916 If they can make Gray Fox perform those fighting skills in a PS1 game, then there's no reason that prevents them from doing the same with Solid Snake or other characters.
To go crazy and make it was different doesn't mean to make it goofy and worse
@@boq780_2.0 That depends on the perspective.
@@filipeflower yeah but the cutscenes and voice acting aren't just different but it's just bad and half the time they have no emotion when they should
The graphic improvement with twin snakes was incredible… should be included in the master collection
Should have been
Hopefully they put it in vol 2!
Yeah I’m pretty pissed that it’s not included. Also would have been nice to get peace walker too
Definitely hoping it pops up in vol 2 with peace but who knows
I hope we get mgs4, peace walker, mgr and the twin snake as a bonus
People are overthinking it. Konami was just like "Wut if MGS1 played like MGS2?" That why the game got made.
Exactly
I remember reading it was cause Nintendo wanted a Metal Gear game but I can’t find a source on it anymore
If you've played the original a million times like I have. You don't need to watch the cutscenes. Which is why I like twin snakes almost more then the original. It looks better, it's easier, and more fun to play through if you're trying to speed run it in an afternoon
THANK YOU. TTS is my personal favorite version of mgs1 and i see literally Nothing but hate for it from the mgs community, you're literally the first person I've ever heard say a positive thing about it. but any justification for that hate either comes down to the game being too easy or the cutscenes being over-the-top and cringe.
First-person aiming Does make headshotting guards easy, but the original game is already Super easy (aim-assist socom already makes every room a literal shooting gallery, the psg-1 already lets you one-shot guards from across the map, and having corpses instantly vanish removes any need to actually Be sneaky). Plus the mgs1 map design leaves you VERY few situations where the mgs2 mechanics are Actually helpful (like how often does flipping over a rail or dropping off a ledge Actually help? Cuz I can only think of 3 spots, with one of them being exclusive to the TTS version and other two only saving you a couple of seconds each.) So I see the new movement and combat mechanics as more for player comfort and accessibility than anything.
And the cinematics Are very over the top, but the thing that MGS fans typically hate to admit is that... MGS was Always cringe. If a player can take the story seriously after seeing a ninja in a robot suit turn invisible and cut off the hand of an elderly Russian cowboy, or after seeing that cowboy get periodically possessed by the ghost of the clone of the student of the greatest soldier of all time, then i don't think the addition of slow motion back flips is Actually breaking anyone's suspension of disbelief.
Those always felt like cheap and melodramatic excuses to hate on the TTS for being anything other than a straight graphical upgrade to the ps1 game.
Word.
As a kid I played OG mgs a lot and I hated the long codec conversations. So when I found out you could fast forward like in mgs2, I was so happy.
You're a fool
Twin Snake was the only reason I bought a Game Cube. I am surprised people hate it.
And in those cut scenes comparison, I saw no problem with the Twin Snake.
Also the cut scenes look like that because of Kojima, He didn't want a 1to1 copy of the game because he didn't want another version of Metal gear to outshine his.
Same same same same!
I was looking for it in the year 2008. Found it at a Game Stop, sheer luck, but D A M N.
I loved it
There was also at least couple more reasons to get a Gamecube, REmake, RE4 and argueably 0
@@foughtthelol The second reason that sold me a Game Cube was Mario games! The very games I never bought 😅
I got a ‘cube way late in the game and their games being sold at stores were being phased out 😭
I hadn’t even heard of it being hated until I saw this video
Personally, I loved it
I'm with you on this. I knew there were some who didn't like this game, but had no idea it was hated so much. I loved the experience as well
A lot of hate for remakes is primarily internet nonsense. People online want to complain for the sake of complaining and since they aren't doing so in person, they feel untouchable. I guarantee most of these people wouldn't spread so much hate if they were in public.
@@jackskellingtonsfollower3389 what the fuck are you talking about. It's a video game.
Like the other commentators said it’s a narrative that was completely fabricated on the internet and repeated by thousands of people that never played the games.
I know a lot of ppl dont like the flashy over the top cutscenes, but I always saw The Twin Snakes as the Legend of Solid Snake. Like what Raiden would have seen in running the Shadow Moses training. MGS is what Snake actually experienced, and TTS is all of the hearsay.
Played it and it was as awesome as the original. Yeah some cinematic have been "exaggerated" but it's in the theme of mgs. I loved it!
Twins Snakes is just as "exaggerated" as MGS4, 5, and Revengence
@@ExcelHedgeMost MG games are exaggerated
MG1 Snake punches a thick Wall with his bare hands to escape his cell
MGS1 Psycho Mantis breaks the fourth wall
MGS2 you've got Vamp
MGS3 a man that flies around with bees
MGS4 Raiden breakdancing with Geckos
PW Big Boss lifts a metal gear
Rising Raiden also lifts a metal gear
Phantom Pain, you've got a giant firewhale eating a helicopter.
@@NobleBossI wouldn't say Psycho Mantis was exaggerated, but I would describe it as shock value. I think maybe an example of exaggeration is Snake back jumping to avoid a shot, matrix style, in a cutscene with Ocelot. Meanwhile, this turned into a backflip in TTS. Almost every exaggerated moment from OG was turned up to 10 in TTS to the level of silliness, whereas MGS1 took itself a bit (only a bit) more seriously. I loved it back then, but the criticisms in this video are valid and makes the original superior in all ways except difficulty for newcomers and visual representation.
It's exaggerated because snake's abilities are enhanced by the nanomachines Naomi injected in the briefing videos.
That's why he could hear and react to Ocelot's gun.
Twin Snakes feels exaggerated only because it came later, after MGS2 when the MGS series started to create more crazy cutscenes and visual experiences. Every MGS game after MGS1 feels a lot more exaggerated than the original PS1 game.
I honestly can’t fathom how anyone believes this game is in any way out of line with the rest of the series, especially when one considers the batshit lunacy throughout most of MGS4.
It "matches" what was done in the 2008 game (which came after this), but fully sidestepped the tone of its original material of MGS1. It made a 90s action flick feel like a 2000s action flick. Not a terrible game, but a terrible MGS1. Sales of the game, reception, and the fact that it wasn't added into the collection reflect that...
@@ptroit Is the tone a bit different from the original game? Sure. Is it in-line with everything from MGS2 onward? You betcha. I think low sales/reception were mostly due to it being a GameCube exclusive and it’s not being included in the new collection because of numerous legal issues between Nintendo, Silicon Knights, Konami, and Unreal.
@@nickoftime5759 agreed mostly on both fronts. But that's why mgs1 og edges out mgs2 for me in tone, story, and other aspects. I think TTS beats og MGS in visuals, updated controls (albeit gimping difficulty curve), and friendly to newcomers. Maybe even charm is arguable for their time, respectively. MGS1 trounces it in all other aspects: music choice, voice track and vocal delivery (unpopular, but the empty warehouse voices in the original give it more atmosphere and sounds more authentic, in my opinion), og ninja voice actor, cutscenes, tone. Still a fun game and I'm glad I own both. But if you enjoyed the story of MGS1 more than the camp of it, I think it wins as an experience of the MGS1 story handily.
@@nickoftime5759 also, to your original point, I think there's lot of lunacy in much of mgs, but it's weighted on the other side with heavy themes (nuclear war, nuclear deterrence, private corporate militaries, information control, etc). Sure a vampire walking on water and a fat guy terrorist on roller skates placing timed bombs is silly for the sake of silly, and there are endless other examples. The more I think about it, the more I think maybe mgs1 is just a much more grounded, different game than the rest of the series...
@@ptroitBro, it IS a MGS with 2000s flavor and that's perfectly fine.
Unpopular opinion, I liked Twin Snakes 😕
Same. Only reason I got a GameCube back in the day
It's MGS, how could you not like it?😂
Same here as well. The hardcore fanatics of MGS are so toxic that their will gets applied and we get nonsense like TTS disappearing from remakes and collections (because GameCube exclusive), or MGS3 being considered the best (because on all platforms), or MGS4 being bad (because PS3 exclusive). See a pattern here?
Never heard of anyone hating it, actually. Might be a title for clicks
Twin Snakes and Godzilla Destroy All Monsters melee were my only 2 reasons I got a GameCube
I was 12 years old when I played MGS. When I found out they were remaking it on GameCube I was excited. I loved twin snakes as much as I loved the original.
I actually liked playing this game
If it had the og voice acting and music it probably wouldn't have been as controversial.
I like some of the new cutscenes, the fight scenes demonstrate the superhuman abilities of Solid, Liquid and Gray Fox's
@@NobleBossI still love it
I liked but its not asvGood as the OG
I liked having Metal Gear Solid on a (then-)modern console. It does not hold up at all though.
You just prefer the OG because of your nostalgia...Ive played both Twin Snakes and MGS1 and I have to say Twin Snakes is awesome! And it deserves a remake!
Is it me or are the twin snakes cutscenes actually really good?
Just you. They’re super corny
@@mannybananny2259I think they worked for Gray Fox but not for other characters (especially Solid Snake himself)
@@mannybananny2259metal gear is corny eat shit its not the 90's anymore
The acting is still great, and some of the shots are genuinely very good. The problem is how some over-the-top additions break serious moments. The examples shown here are great becuase, while not the most ludicrous additions in the game, they do showcase stuff too corny for what the scenes are supposed to convey (I had a hard laugh when Otacon tripped after getting the riffle).
Played both, loved both. I wanted Twin Snakes on the Collection
Good news is the Master Collection acknowledges Twin Snakes in some of its documentation for MGS1. Might be in Vol 2.
Dude Nintendo partially owns it it's not coming
@@boq780_2.0 How do they own that?
@@filipeflowerwell there’s Nintendo Easter eggs in there. You can also find figures of Mario and yoshi in the room where you meet otacon. And I think you can find a game cube somewhere (I forgot where it was).
@@paulseblano2761 It was in OtaCon's Lab. But still, what stops them from removing those Nintendo Easter eggs?
Played the hell out of the original and I still enjoyed Twin Snakes. Hell, every once in a whle, I enjoy playing it again through Dolphin. I always laugh when some parrot the same silly argument that first person mode breaks or makes the game far too easy as they're forced to use first person for the entire game.
But it does tho. The original level wasn't really designed for fp. Like going back to play Mario 1 but with the super cape from Mario world
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@@dream8350 I have a fairly cheap HP Intel laptop, that runs almost every game on Dolphin very well. It was about maybe $600 or $800. Compared to PCSX2, Dolphin runs very well. It does however for me sometimes crash but I don't know why because it's run fine before I never made any changes outside of putting every game in 720p.
@@dream8350 Xenia is still very embryonic at the moment just give the guys some time.
@@dream8350 dolphin runs pretty well
Main basic reason: Nostalgia
I personally prefer this because MGS2 is my favorite, but I love both versions. I did play the OG before this one however.
People say that they hate first person mode yet the game doesn’t make you use it at all
But you can, which means you probably will because it's easier
You have to use it with the stinger
@@Slaynt89 Just like in the original version of this game. What's your point?
@@boq780_2.0 You can't speak for everyone.
My biggest gripe with the argument that the FPS mechanic ruined boss fights is that you could just choose to not use it and play them like the original. The original is still the better of the two versions, but I always enjoyed TTS. It’s nice to have the option of playing either one when I go back to it. I actually hope they include it in the Vol. 2 collection.
Right. And it's not like the Ocelot fight was hard anyway. Oh no, they trivialized an already trivial fight.
I love this Game and its a shame its only on GameCube. I even like it more as the Original.
I guess on ain't the only one right on man
You like a game with broken boss fights and basically loses all of the points of the game it's remaking over the original game which is also one of the most influential games ever?
@@boq780_2.0 Are you trying to invalidate that user's opinion?
@@filipeflower well if they are saying an objectively bad game is great then yes?
@@boq780_2.0 If that person likes that game, you have no right to judge. Leave that person be.
In the original sniper wolf dying scene. The foundation was the music so everything had to be according to the music rhythm. So the scene was bound by that it terms of total duration time and the loud and soft parts of the music.
In the twin snakes version. Graphics are the main focus. Ohh look at this dog. It's sad now. Oh look at Otacon. He's stumbling now.... Etc. The music was absent so they could take longer on each scene. The pacing really changed.
This was my first metal gear game as a kid on GameCube and only having a GameCube. Ever since playing the original I’m still fond of this version.
I really loved TTS and this is coming from a person who played MGS1 as a kid and loving that. I thought the redone VAing was decent for being out of David Hayter's paychecks. I can't stand the echo of everyone's audio in MGS1, heck it even has car traffic towards the end of the game. I'll agree that TTS has a weak soundtrack, but I did like how they changed up Encounter from EVERY boss fight, which got old fast. I do disagree with people saying Ocelot's fight was ruined in TTS. There are speedrunners that throw grenades across the room, which out chasing Ocelot. I also played Integral with FPV only and encountered the same issue. I also liked how TTS added hot steam pipes to the Ocelot fight, which is a nice change. But I think both games are good and fans are just holding MGS1 on a pedestal.
The redone voice acting has not emotion
It's so weird because I was thinking the exact same thing. I love the original (played it on launch) it introduced me to stealth gaming, but damn do I love Twin Snakes.
I really hate how Twin Snakes gets a bad rep, when it is easily the best remake we got for MGS 1. The whole thing with ppl hating on it cuz of over the top cutscenes, yet MGS 2, 3, and 4 exist and has the MOST over the top cutscenes period. Especially MGS 4 with Raiden fricking breakdancing while fighting robots and vampires.
I bet its only people who had the original who hated it. For someone like me, a Nintendo kid, playing Metal Gear on the GameCube was awesome.
Don't think that's true.. I loved it
I played TTS years before the PS1 original, so I have no nostalgic attachment to the original, but it actually is the vastly superior version. I didn't hate TTS though, I just remember finding it soulless. I just kind of forgot about it after my playthrough. The original, on the other hand, just has a great atmosphere and legit made me cry at some points (like Sniper Wolf's death).
@@MG-wk2eh if u think thats souless u must not play modern aaa games
I can assure you that a lot of people who played the original either love this version more or the same as the original, I include myself in the better then the original camp.
How is liking twin snakes only because you had a gamecube instead any different than people who would hypothetically only hate twin snakes because they had the original PlayStation version?
I still got chills seeing the Sniper Wolf death scene from the original. How they fumbled that scene for twin snakes is beyond me.
People like to bitch about nothing, this remake was fine and should be rereleased
One can dream.
The original was such a masterpiece you can’t re-create perfection.
@@ryancirrone3343 the original hurts my eyes and soul the only reprise from the gameplay being the story. The game is a chore and the reward is the story
@@ryancirrone3343 You call perfection a game with already proven flaws? You can't be sure of that.
@@fallaciousUnionliterally how?
Its just weird hyperbolic nitpicks. Still holds up better than most games during that generation
The remake formula is simple, but difficult to execute.
1. Retain the features that made the original so good.
2. Improve on what the original lacked without screwing up number one.
Twin snakes failed on both accounts. While the general gameplay was done pretty good, the boss fights just did not give the same feeling of how high the stakes were in those encounters. They changed the dialogue, added elements that weren't needed, and even took away the challenge of some of them entirely. The music also didn't queue in as effectively as the original. The original MGS was a movie first, and a game that immersed you in it second. Twin Snakes lost that, and it was basically just your run of the mill video game.
I've beaten this game about 5 times as a kid. I loved it
Same here don't know if buy for ps5
I never knew the game was hated so much. I think it's league better than the original, it''s over the top goofy which is exactly what Metal Gear Solid is. And whoever says the voice acting is worse needs to clean their ears, Mei Ling no longer has a bad stereotypical asian accent, and even Gray Fox sounds way better. I honestly think most people never even played this game cuz it was on the gamecube, and is now mad expensive to buy.
The real crime was replacing Mei Ling with Rose in MGS2
I liked it, it was a little over the top, but still fun. Also I recall it getting solid reviews. I'm also a huge MGS fan and didn't see any issue with balancing, and maybe that's because I knew what to expect from boss battles and played mgs 2 a thousand times so knew how the mechanics worked for first person. The only thing I agreed with on your review was the over the top action scenes being cheesy, but I didn't hate it. I just took it for what it was, a different teams take on how a super soldier would fight.
What the fanbase think and what the wider gaming audience thinks are two different things.
MGS3 is widely regarded as the best MGS game in the fanbase (it's also my favourite), but it came out around the same time as seriously hyped games like GTA San Andreas so didn't sell as well relative to other MGS games or get 10/10 reviews.
MGSV got 10/10 reviews and I believe it sold really well, but it's a pile of dogshit.
A giant walking tank with infra red invisible stealth nukes isnt over the top?
@@MG-wk2eh Those are opinions.
I have NEVER heard of anyone hating this game, even amongst the fans I grew up with. This game was my intro into MGS and I loved it. Have loved the series since. Idk this post has desperate click bait written all over it.
Same literally
My friend group was the opposite sadly😅. We just didn't like it for some reason. We may have had far too much love for the og version and that poisoned our opinion
There was A LOT of controversy around this game when it came out.
I've seen a lot it, most of it years ago. But I think it's just one of those games that gets appreciated more over time, but it's sad that it's not accessible today. I'll say, I think MGS fans are pretty lucky to have gotten these two versions of such a great game.
Nono dude, especially recently there are dozens of Videos on YT shitting all over Twitter snakes....and i dont get it
I liked this more than the OG 👀
From what I remember the only reason people hated this game was because it was a gamecube exclusive. It was playstation fanboys who never played it who trashed it back in the day. Nothing is wrong with it. I saw it as MGS with MGS2 controls.
Thank you! Yeah definitely when it came out all the PS fans got together to hate on it so they could force a movement to get the game to sell bad & thus making Konami to release it for the PS2.
Good thing that didn't happen & hope it gets another release on the Switch or Switch 2. It just seems right Switch gets it because we sure in hell ain't getting the 3rd remake.
Oh & just hearing hideo say how he would like to remake MGS 1 shows that he knows about fans were hating on twin snakes & he wanted in return do a remake for the Sony fans.
Anyway let's see what the future holds with vol 2.
Twin snakes is one of my favorites in the series and in my opinion the definitive way to play MGS1 (and I loved the original in its time) . But I'm an action junkie I love all the extra John woo slowmo action stuff. I hope It gets added to one of the upcoming collections!
It really lost me when I saw Snake do a backflip off of a missile and it was completely unnecessary to do so.
I haven’t found a bad comment in here yet. Idk why people “hate it” . It’s not even a bad game at all. It’s just preference tbh
As a long time metal gear fan I fail to see how Twin Snakes was ever considered bad. If anything it was a great callback to it.
Bad I think is hyperbolic. It was great for the time. It's great by itself. When compared to it's original, it is a bad deviation of tone, music choice, voice acting performance, difficulty gimping, and exaggeration of visual performances. Someone in a different comment said it's like giving Mario a Super Cape from SMW in SMB1, it's an upgraded look and functionality in a game that wasn't made with that in mind
@@ptroit How do you know what was on their mind?
@@filipeflowerit's a metaphor describing the gimping that would come from placing Mario's cape from Super Mario World on the SNES into Super Mario Bros on the NES. In other words, the layout of that game wasn't designed with that functionality in mind. Similarly, allowing for MGS2 controls in MGS1, a more claustrophobic, mostly enclosed setting that wasn't originally designed for first-person gameplay (FPS style shooting, most controversially), is not what the original creators had in mind. In fact, FPS mechanics with all weapons was only added on the re-release special versions in Japan, furthermore adding that it wasn't a part of the original game's design (aside from the rocket launchers and the PSG-1). At best, the re-release was more of a glimpse into where they wanted to go with the next entry.
@@ptroit Actually, you're mistaken about that. First-Person Shooting mode already existed in the Beta version of the PS1 Metal Gear Solid game. Then it was removed in the final version and then it was added again in Metal Gear Solid Integral (which was also released outside Japan). How does this make sense? I have no idea.
@@filipeflowerthat's really odd, I thought it was only a part of the integral release (ie an afterthought or later addition due to initial limitation). I did not know that it was planned in the original release, so you are correct on that; however, it still appears that, for whatever reason, it didn't make it to the original release for the game, so it wasn't included in the original experience... It clearly was invisioned for it based on your statement, but didn't make the final cut.
Because people struggle to just be positive.
It will never be the discovery of the original, and sometimes they exaggerate a little. But I would like it to look more modern.
I like the game, I like the over the top stuff it was fun. Only gripe I have always had was it made the game to easy the FPS aiming etc so I tended to play it old school best I could.
Cutscenes were directed by Ryuhei Kitamura who was known at the time for his zany action movies like Versus and Azumi (Hideo Kojima actually has cameos in both of those films). Some of the stunt team on Versus also went on to work on Devil May Cry 3, Devil May Cry 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Bayonetta cutscenes so this type of action is firmly in their wheelhouse.
Did the cutscenes fit MGS (at the time)? Not really but as a huge fan of that style of action I loved it.
Love it or hate, it should still be included in the Master Collection. It's still a Metal Gear game.
I love the Twin Snakes. It actually really bothers me that some people can't appreciate it like I do. I cannot disagree more regarding the criticisms of the cut scenes. I love the re-worked scenes. I love the choreography and bonkers nature of them. It's like watching an awesome anime - I completely dig it. I like the gameplay tweaks, and the better graphics. I remember playing it as a freshman in college; it was the game that got me to fall in love with the series. I will always have a strong love for this game.
I agree so much people complain about FPV making it easy but those were features that were added as the series progressed and quite frankly Mgs1 I’s so fuckin clunky with that fixed camera, the cheesy action is a series staple as well idk why so many people think it ruins the remake but like that stuff in MGS3 and 4 and even 5! And 2, shit you play as naked raiden holding your balls in 2 lol 😂 which is why I don’t get why people hate that about twin snakes, it fits more into series canon than the original
I think the issue with the cutscenes wasn't that they were over the top, it was just out of character for snake. The series always had over the top cheesy cutscenes, but twin snakes is the only game in the series showing snake doing flips off missiles and running across walls like a ninja.
I didn't mind it myself, but I understand the complaints that it changed the tone of the story.
Honestly, as much as the graphical and gameplay improvements were awesome, the cutscenes just weren't my cup of tea and felt extremely out of place for Snake.
Now, don't get me wrong, the series as a whole has a lot of cheesy cutscenes, but this brought it sooooo over the top it passed the threshold between enjoyability and outright insanity.
This is all just my personal opinion of course. But even if the Twin Snakes had perfect, 1:1 cutscenes to the original in the PS1 I still would prefer the original version simply because of the nostalgia the graphics and sounds brings me.
@@Koleuz2 Fair enough. I appreciate your thoughtful, and respectful counterpoint
@@Koleuz2Then by your opinion you couldn't dig all the over the top stuff in MGS2 and 4.
The only thing i hate about it is the price this game goes for
Also the OG looks like hell now. Show the original PS release, not the pc or emulated footage like this video is showing.
This a good point, I call it the Ubisoft move.
This was actually my first MGS game. At the time I remember thinking the game was too easy, a friend pointed out you couldn't 1st person aim or ledge hang in the original. But I liked it, and I still do.
The original is better, but sometimes I just replay TTS and don't use any new features.
The Twin Snakes SW death scene's only positives were obvious the improved detail, but the wolves being there at her final moments.
i'd love to hear the "it was too over the top" crowd and what their thoughts are on mgs 3 and 4 as well as revengeance. Just saying, let's see if they're intellectually honest and consistent. Hell, you wanna tell me a vampire nanomachine infested psychic wasn't too over the top? Cuz you killed one twice in mgs2. Or how about being chased by a nuclear tank driven by an electrically charged russian knockoff of arnold schwarzennegar and defeating it with a motorcycle and rpg 7? get real. the ridiculousness has been present since the very beginning.
MGS2 had the slow motion matrix bullet dodge with Snake dodging a bullet from Olga. Snake backflips a whole lot in Twin Snakes. But to me it isn’t as much of an offense to me as the First Person sniping mode. It made Ocelot’s boss fight broken. It also made it easy to just tranquillize all the guards in many areas from out of their range.
I have no problem with the Twin Snakes. After an obese Bomber on rollerskates; we no longer have the credibility to criticize.
I love the original MGS1 and I still think the twin snakes is a good game. OG 10/10, Remake 8/10
this was hated back because it was gamecube exclusive. i was jealous as ps2 player but not hated this game.
Otacon: I loved you!😢
Sniperwolf: Please…. My gun.
What’s wrong with shadow of colossuses? I want to get it on either the 3 or 4 but it’s no good?
"Hated?"
How Snake would answer to your question in the title.
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At this moment, MGS1 is the only game in the series I haven't played. I've only watched it on TH-cam, Twin Snakes and MGS1....and the only thing I find atrocious about Twin Snakes is that it didn't carry over the amazing soundtrack from the original game. That is a massive sin in my book.
That's why if they remake the first game, then they NEED to have the original OST
definitely 👍🏻
What's atrocious is watching a whole playthrough of a game as some sort of alternative to playing it. I'll never understand you people
@@McGeezle There was no way I could have played it when I got into the series, or else I would have.
@@Arrowz_88both are good. But the ps1 had an atmosphere that really lacked on the gamecube.
@@Arrowz_88 but how is watching it an alternative?
It blows my mind that people don’t like this game. I wouldn’t say I’m a super fan, but I have beaten 1-4 multiple times, and honestly prefer this version over the original. That isn’t to say it’s better or the first was less good.
I always preferred the voice actor of this game's Gray Fox to the original. Seems to be a controversial opinion.
Twin snakes was amazing as a fan of the original I loved 1st person and the way better graphics
Sow sad that Konami didn't add this version to the master collection
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Where did you get the footage of the original mgs1? I'm playing the Master Collection on PS5 and it doesn't look like that at all. It looks like a blocky mess.
yeh i think most of the complaints are kinda more personal taste as opposed to actually bad
Just got done with a Big Boss run on the master collection. Really hope I get a chance to do it again if this game is in volume two.
None of current console can play this game it legendary for gamecube only
cant believe people deride an mgs game for being over the top; mgs2 had a vampire lmaoo
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yep, Vamp exists period, so TTS is also on point lol
Two reasons, John Woo mission impossible 2 ass action sequences and GameCube exclusive. To not release this on the hardware of the company who launched this series into the next generation was so wild.
Never knew Twin Snakes was hated. A lot of people want Twin Snakes in Metal Gear Solid master collection volume 2 as a bonus game.
I was fine playing this, I didn’t like some parts of the gameplay, but overall it was fun seeing more detailed graphics than the original
Nonsense, I played the original when it came out and I ended up fascinated, so when TS came out I didn't hesitate for a second and I got it. It was everything I expected and more, the scenes are not ridiculous, considering that Snake is a super soldier. If I could say one reason why the game gets so much hate, it's simply because it was exclusive to Nintendo plane and simple, and obviously you have to hate it because yes, Metal Gear can't be from a company other than PlayStation.
some people don't want to be satisfied with remakes... theyre so set in their ways of an almost cult-like love of a game that no matter how good a remake is, they wont like it... like movie adaptions of books
I like the musical choices for Wolf and Meryl's scenes better in the remake. Being used more sparingly (only the beginning and end) makes The Best Is Yet to Come more powerful.
I was always a Nintendo kid growing up, but I did get to play MGS1 and 2 on friends’ PlayStations and I loved those experiences, even though I only got to play through each of them a single time. So when TTS came out on GameCube I bought it right away and played the hell out of it. Still get it out once in a while to this day, and it’s the main reason I am still holding onto my Wii. I’ve since bought a PS3 and 4 and no more Nintendo 😆
What kills it for me the most to be honest is the music. the original had the best soundtrack
I still have twin snakes. However, the things I dislike is the fact a huge amount of emotion was taken out of it, due to the ost changes, sniper wolfs backstory didn't feel as tragic. Even minute stuff, when grey fox goes after rex snake yells FOX, in the original it echoed hugely. However, in the twin snakes, it didn't feel even remotely as close as loud.
I love this game I probably beat it at least 50 times when it came out. I didn't even know people didn't like it.😅
Somebody's seen jackdonsurfer video recently titled: Metal Gear Solid vs. The Twin Snakes: How Not to Remake a Classic (Comparison, Critique, & Review)
Let's see what new you have to add to the table, because we already know that remake is a failure on all fronts
I personally liked metal gear solid the twin snakes growing up it was really awesome and cool remake to metal gear solid 1 in my opinion.
As a fan of the original my biggest complaint is that Twin Snakes feels like a parody of MGS1 not a true remake.
The cutscenes are beyond ridiculous, even if Kojima said to go in that direction. Snake jumping off missiles and firing his own in mid air and running towards Rex to attack it barehanded are just a few examples of how unintentionally stupid this is.
But even worse than that the cutscenes actually damage some of the characters. Snake actually drawing his gun on Kenneth Baker because he forgot Meyrls codec frequency was such a shock that I actually burst into laughter the first time I saw it, but every time since I've just been confused as to what the intent was. Otacon is another unfortunate victim here, Twin Snakes seriously makes me question whether or not these two are even friends in the end because Snake doesn't seem to care about him at all and Otacon is so clumsy and comically stupid here that he really does feel like a parody of himself. In MGS1 these two built a real friendship and brotherhood that would only get stronger as the series continued but here I don't know why they wouldn't just part ways and never see each other again.
There's other issues like the voice acting being of MUCH lower quality this time despite most of the original cast returning and on a more subjective note the soundtrack is at least to me far inferior to the original except for the new Mantis battle theme, that ones pretty awesome I'll admit. But all of these problems just add up to a game that for me as a lifelong fan of the original just isn't worth playing. I know Twin Snakes has it's fans and that's fine especially since for most of them this was their first time experiencing this story and these characters so they had nothing else to compare it to.
They basically made Snake into Dante. That's the biggest gripe. The graphical improvements were great but making him Dante in the cutscenes was a bit much.
If they remake the game, they absolutely should redo the levels. Not so much that it seems like a completely different game but enough to compliment gameplay mechanics and graphic improvements.
This isn’t how I remembered this game. I thought the biggest issue was this was a GameCube game
I grew up with MGS1, but I bought Twin Snakes with my own money from my first job. I knew even then that the cutscenes were cheesy and over the top, but I honestly prefer it more than MGS1. Same story, mostly same gameplay. I don't let nostalgia cloud my mind when I go back to them. Twin snakes is objectively a prettier game that tells the EXACT same story in a very much Kojima way with the over the top cutscenes. In my mind, Twin Snakes is a far superior game despite me having big nostalgia for MGS1. (Hell, I'm old enough where I remember actively playing the OG "I feel asleep" Metal Gear on NES.)
I'll probably get roasted for this but, Screw it.
I'd rather play The Twin Snakes than The Original and it should be ported to other consoles just as much as the other games.
Agreed .
If they re-release it, they should at least include the original music as an option, and also make everything a bit more grounded atmosphere wise, fitting with the original.
@@kristoffer8609 no. Just no. Go play the original if you want that.
@@ExcelHedge I did. Not long ago actually. Meanwhile, The Twin Snakes is like a complete mess and example how not to remake a game.
And unless changes are made, that's where it will always be.
Played every metal gear game since 1998 never once thought MGS 1 remake Twin Snakes was a bad game it was pretty cool remake with MGS 2 style game play
This version was soopoo good. I prefer the original for nostalgic reasons but this one was fresh, awesome new take. I'm gonna go replay my copy now.
no one has ever said they hated this
He acts like Snake doing a backflip in the Twin Snakes to dodge a tank shot didn't happen in the original
Let’s also remember this was Silicon Knights developing and not Konami. I’m sure Konami (and Kojima) had a say, but so did Nintendo as co-publisher.
The hate mostly came from Non Gamecube owners and the overzealous MGS purists.
Most people who actually played it enjoyed the enhanced visuals and gameplay and accepted it for what it was. A good, while flawed, reimagining of MGS.
It was fine for what it was. The most baffling thing to me was having to hold down a button to *not* fire the famas. You literally held down the safety button and when you released, the rifle would fire. ...Who on earth thought that was a good idea?
I loved this game. I don't care what the haters say. If anything I like the new head canon that this was just Otacon's retelling of the original story. Embellishing the action moments as he saw it.
I love how Mantis' floor was recreated in The Twin Snakes. It looks fantastic.
I’ve been trying to get this game for years but I never been able to find it anywhere. I know copies have been going around for $200
The only reason to play the original mgs1 over the twins snakes is the twins snakes is expensive as hell right now
I'm not that thrilled about Delta because it checks all the boxes of TS: same game, no Kojima, modern gaming conveniences. Which is exactly what Konami is aiming for, a reboot of the series for modern audiences. Metal Gear Solid 3 for dummies.
Can't wait to see my goated MGS2 getting dumbed down too at some point.
I like the voice acting in the OG. Thought the fact it's quality wasn't as good due to where they recorded actually made it more fitting for a giant open facility. Just gave things a kind of echo or something. Just sounds better in the OG, IMO. I do like the theory that the Twin Snakes is just Natasha's recounting of events from her book, which explains all the extra of the wall action sequences as compared to the OG.
The graphical upgrade is nice but I felt like they did way too much with the cutscenes.
The cutscenes aren’t that bad, i think it’s fun to think of twin snakes as otocon sharing his side of the story but over hyperbolizing all of the events just to make the story sound cooler
Other than those Matrix style fight style, i did love MGS TTS.
I didn't know they were directly porting over the voice overs from MGS3 Snake Eater to the Remake (Delta). I don't know how I feel about that. On one hand I'm glad all the original voices will be present, but on the other hand I was hoping they'd recast the original cast and give us a new take on the voices.
Well, you're completely alone lol.
The cutscenes were about as rediculous as those in MGS2 and MGS3. My main gripe was about how easy a lot of the game got with being able to shoot in first person mode.