The funny thing is, I never could work out why the SNZ field watches were 42mm and the SNK pilot's watches were 37mm... normally you'd swap that around. Pilot's watches are typically larger, and field watches are commonly smaller. 💁♂💁♂Guess it doesn't matter now!
No-one at Seiko ever said that the SNZ was a field watch, if I recall correctly. That 42mm design was oddly reminiscent of the pilot's watches that the Japanse used in WWII, also produced by Seikosha. The SNK has a dial that was reminiscent of a German B-dialed Beobachtungsuhr, and as such is an oddity coming from Seiko as far as historic watches are concerned. That said, the SNK was not something I ever recommended, because they were only 30m water resistant, which is a shit spec if you think about the 5 basic tenets of the Seiko 5 line. And it had an antiquated 7s26 movement without hacking and handwinding. And the strap was a piece of junk, much like the strap of the original SARB017, for what that's worth. The new SRPG is a lovely 39mm size, the only problem is that it's a bit too thick at 13mm. The 39mm though is a much better diameter, period. It's in the goldilocks zone for casual / sporty watches for many wrist sizes. The SRPH is also much better than the old SNK models in that it has a more functional movement and 100m water resistance. Design-wise they are also much improved: better hands, better length, dial without this weird raised plastic ring of the SNZ, thus leading to a more harmonious look. Ever since the series' inception in the 60's, Seiko 5 meant a watch that adheres to five principles: shock proof, water proof, automatic, day-date and durable. The old SNK never delivered on water proof, so it was a Seiko 4 at best. Even the new 5KX is selling like hotcakes in all kinds of funky versions, so it seems like that strategy pays off. And 100m WR is still ISO compliant. :) So I don't know what this channel's problem is. Seiko is knocking this one out of the park, both in style and specifications. This constant bitching and whining about "jacking the price up" also bores me to tears. Folks always look at the end-game Amazon price of the old model, compare it to the RRP of the new model and then complain that the price went up too far, while sidestepping the improvements and the fact that prices in the retail channel never end up being the full RRP. This has been true for 30 years, and there's nothing new going on today. SARBS also had an RRP of 450 USD, while ending up at 275. Does anyone reacting in this thread or threads like it even know what the actual RRP of the SNZ, SNK, SKX or SARB even was? Meanwhile I never hear anyone whine about brands like Stowa raising prices by 10% per year over the last 6 years, thus ending up with the same flieger you bought for 540,- in 2014 at 1150 bucks in 2022. :) I'm specifically not mentioning Rolex and JLC pricing here either, because luxury and irrationality. Then the complaining about Seiko 5 becoming a fashion watch. Seiko 5's have come in soooooo many variations over the last 50 odd years that you could argue it was a fashionable range ever since the sixties. In fact, Seiko has never had an expressly military range, because, well, because the Japanese don't really boast a lot about military things after WWII. Damn, their constitution even states the military is not to be seen as an offensive force, it's purely there for defence of the realm. In short: I'm unsure why I still bother with this channel because it's a vinegar-pissing in inaccurate "it used to be better before" rhetoric with a click-bait-ish title slapped on top.
I think part of it is Seiko's reaction to Chinese companies like San Martin, Cronos and even Steel Dive encroaching on Seiko's "affordable" market share with better specced watches at the same or even a lower price. And when people realize that the affordable Seikos are made in China, then it gets even muddier. I think Seiko has little choice but to abandon that segment to Orient and move the Seiko brand upwards.
@@3rdpig They should make Seiko their mid to higher tier brand and finally make Lorus and Pulsars as their lower tier available worldwide. Orient and Citizen should both stay a mid range brands for them. Thats how I would re-position Epson-Seiko in the market.
I really love the new Seiko 5 lineup and I actually understand and like the approach Seiko is choosing here. I mean, we had the "original" Seiko 5's around for decades and even though there were many amazing models there, honestly, there was nothing new to discover. Yes, that was also the reason why they were so cheap - tried and proven designs, all developemnt and design cost paid for decades ago, so these went just for the price of the fabrication. Yes, my first mechanical watch was the SNZG (that odd cream one ;-) ), I bought a few other 5s since, I also bought the SNK for my father a few years ago. But the line was going nowhere. With the reboot of the lineup, there are things happening. And yes, it's clear that Seiko chose a bit different way here. There will be more shared cases design, being it cost-cutting or parts-bin-optimization, I don't know. On the other hand, there has been a new emphasis on finishes, dial design and other fun elements. And there are models that us watch-nerds can love too. My personal favorite is the DressKX lineup, those are true GADA watches, with quite some variations and a great modding potential. Yes, the Seiko 5 lineup may not be that gateway watch in many cases, but in many, it will. Mainly many of the 5KX models can be a getaway watch not for kids, as some older 5s, but for young ones... Those, who in fact know only smartwatches nowadays. And that's a good thing and I thing a larger audience. Plus there's of course the question what comes next. The lineup is ever-growing since the reboot and I'm really curioust what we'll see next.
I for one welcome the changes that Seiko decided to do. I think they look way better than the older models. Really appreciate the better movement, and those little details (like the blacked hands). These new field/pilot watches are now seriously competing with the Hamilton Khaki Field line. I decided to go for one of these as the Hammy's are still double the price of the Seiko SRPG. When it comes to their new Seiko 5 Range. I feel like its heavily geared towards the younger generation (I'd say Boys and Girls in their 20's to mid 30's). They even host giveaways on Instagram, where you have to show off the way you combine the watch with your outfit.
I also have a Seiko SNZG13J, green, i bought it with a metal bracelet, it was the only one my local watch dealer had. I changed the metal bracelet to a green nato strap, and put a compass on. It is still one of my alltime favourite watches. Perhaps i should visit my watchdealer agin and ask for a SNK while they are still around. what i like with the older ones are their hands and their apperances, what i dislike but can live with are the Seiko shake to start them. In Sweden the Seiko SRPH29K will cost 3298 SEK, in Australian $ it will be 493,10. In my world the SRPH29K is a flieger type B and not a fieldwatch.
Yeah wow a lot going on here.. The good: Goldilocks size at ~39.4mm - the drilled lugs - and the better movement The bad: Too thick - non-matching day/date window - and a price point that has me looking more toward a Hamilton variant.. Cheers Jody ! Rock on.
Sooo... I do what everyone does. I make a watch purchase and then spend days watching reviews of said watch to justify the purchase. I bought the srph33k black and orange and LOVE it. Actually 'love it' is doiong my current watch honeymoon an injustice. I adore it. The black and orange colourway is a striking winner. Perfect size too. I'm so in love with it. Having spent $$$ on Swiss of late -I'm so jumping onboard the Seiko 5 train. Toot toot! [edit - I purchased for just over $300 Aussie]
Picked this one up a few days ago, at a fairly decent price, still not amazing but definitely doable 250eu (it is what it is). However I found it very charming and inviting In person. Honestly it was exactly what I was looking for. Rugged enough in look / style for day to day use, yet clean enough to accompany a step up in “ aesthetic “. The green is darker than it is on camera and in pictures, that it’s almost elegant. The rough texture of the dial is really lovely. And indeed surprisingly enough I fell in love with the legibility of the face via the sword/syringe hybrid hands. Practically perfect. Again it’s only been a few days but it’s really growing on me. I particularly enjoy the highlighted orange pips. And the lume sufficient enough for night use after one quick charge. All in all I’m actually satisfied and the quality of the watch is almost visceral. Happy I picked it up and it is probably going to be my main day to day, and even may replace my tissot chrono… TBD. I can understand the legacy mindset and I also wouldn’t have minded a further price cut, however this watch almost feels it’s price and I’ve quite shockingly gotten several compliments on it already which usually doesn’t happen even for more pricey watches in my collection. So ultimately I say It wears great. Looks just right. Its comfortable to wear. 7.9/10 would recommend (Will update if anything changes)
Snagged a blue SNK when it was $50, and am wearing it right now. I've always loved/hated the handset. The alpha/lozenge hands are sharp, clear, and somewhat unique, but... The hour hand passes over the middle of the 1 - 12 numerals, and the minutes hand covers 95% of the 5 - ^? The second hand is similarly lost: the tip is perfectly lined up with the minute, but the lollipop just misses the 1 - 12 numerals? It's nice that it doesn't obscure them, but then it doesn't line up with anything... Not sure I like the new handset any better, but they definitely have a more consistent idea of where they belong, which is welcome!
enjoyed the video.....I am guessing economies of scale.....saving money in manufacturing processes, with same cases, movements etc; raise the price, and much bigger profits. Seiko seem to be on a mission, consolidating models and genres, losing their lower priced entry tool type watches (SKX's etc) and pushing into more generic fashionable colours and dials...oh and significant price rises. QC issues......a recent SRPD71K2 suits I bought was spot on.
Let's see what we have here... SNK were 37mm, crown at 4'ish. SNZ were 42mm, crown at 3. Seiko discontinues both & incorporates both dial designs in in one case: 39mm, crown at 3. Seiko needs to take both dial designs and put them in the 5KX 43mm case for those of us with larger wrists (and those with smaller wrists as well that prefer a larger wrist presence) bringing back our beloved crown at the 4'ish mark. ⌚😎👍
Funny...I just bought the Cream dial Fleeger today. You missed that one. I want to put it on a medium brown leather strap... I have all of the SNK and SNZG's....
I had a SNK for my first watch ever. I loved it for about 4 months until I dropped it, and totalled the watch on my bathroom floor…it also was my first watch that really got me interested in modifying watches. It was cheap, it was comfortable, I threw a Khaki Field style dial and hands and an NH movement in it, and I still have it and wear it regularly. This new series of watches look actually really good, but the pricing is far too high. Seiko would really do well to release even if a new case, but something in the 35-37mm size, and around $150aud to get people interested in watches.
I have average sized wrist but I prefer smaller watches and don't usually buy watches over 40mm (I only have two watches over 40mm, both seikos with compact lugs) so I really enjoy this new case SEIKO has introduced.
Your points in the rant are fair, but I don't know if I agree. A gateway watch is nice, but being able to pick from either style in a size that works (rather than have to settle for the style you like in a large or small size) feels like a smart move to appeal to adults already interested in watches? Meh, I'm not here to spread more negativity on the internet; your discussions are always interesting and well-thought, Jody! And the review was excellent as always. Keep up the lovely work, and thanks for all that you do.
The SNZ is too big. The SNK looks cool but 3 bar is IMO unacceptable (looking at you too, Hamilton Mechanical). Thinking about pulling the trigger on the newbie. Pros: dial, new features, and 10 bar. Cons: no sapphire, thickness, price. Still seems a tempting option for sub 500 field-ish watch.
Hi Jody, Enjoyed the rant all the things I would have moaned about too. Seiko have now moved out of my price range unless they make something really special. you would think if the price goes up they would be using sapphire crystal by now
I've always been curious, on the second hand is the orange end or the lollipop end the correct marker. In daylight, my eye moves to the orange end but it is not visible in the dark.
I think you are right to point out the reduced variety in the Seiko range. The new one is better specified and better looking than the original, but the one case/price fits all range will lose them customers. Not many will spend that money on a first watch for a child and the new case is too big anyway.
Guess they listened to you with the new 36.4mm Seiko SRPJ watches coming out. I mean I always thought it was pretty obvious they were coming eventually
Im considering between this srph29 and srpg33 right now. Both of them are selling at a same price of aud 225 right now. Really wang to get one, but dont know which one to get 😅
I have the SNZG. Still wear it occasionally and it’s a great watch… It’s still available and I would highly recommend picking that one up For anyone starting out in the hobby. Far better value then the new one! Thanks Jody!
$275 is still a ridiculous price when Orients with sapphire crystals and other microbrands can be had with virtually the same NH35 movement and sapphire crystals as well
I'm pretty much over Seiko at this point. I had an SNK which never seemed to run properly and so I sold and replaced with a quartz Timex for my beater field watch. I'd love to get the mini Turtle as an actual diving watch (seriously, I've been putting off scuba certification for years) but 500 for hardlex and a 4r35? Just like these the prices are ridiculous when you can just wear a Gshock or something.
Personally, I can't stomach the new 5 line. As far as I can tell, they have given up on the idea of providing a quality intro mechanical watch to fit almost all wrists. The qc issues were acceptable on the old 5s, seems to me that they have slapped the updated movement in a bulky case and said give me all the monies.
Call me crazy, but I actually love what Seiko is doing with the 5 Sports line. They are significantly higher quality than the old 5 line, with better movements and better straps/bracelets. The line is more focused as well. A little higher priced, but still priced right in line with what you’re getting. I have lots of much more expensive watches, and never felt compelled to get a Seiko 5 until the new refresh. Now I have 3, lol.
I bought 3 of the old smaller ones as gifts when they were more like $60-65. Now, to get a Seiko automatic movement in a $60 watch you have to get something from the Invicta/Pagani Teir. I'll wear those brands personally, but I liked buying other people at least a name they recognized. IMHO this is a big loss for Seiko AND the rest of the watch world. Is it worth it to get yet another $200 mid tier Sekio line? We already had like 30 of those...
@@kleinbottled79 Seikos best watches are above 400 Dollars. In that category Seiko is absolute unbeatable. Why would you look for 60 Dollar watches with low end Movements?
Great watches/price. I think just when comparing to older models they replaced is when people have problems. But like he said, just wait a little for prices to settle down.
I'd take a 39mm over a 42mm or 37mm any day. They took two models that looked nice to me, but were the wrong size and packaged them in a perfect 39mm. Two thumbs up from me. Good job Seiko.
Don’t forget about those of us who prefer the 36-38mm space. Seiko for example does not have a single modern mechanical dive watch under 40mm. From the brand the gave us the SKX013, such a shame.
I'd say it's worth $200-$250 new. Seiko's just asking too much at the moment. In fact, I'd say it's getting too close to the price of the Hamilton Khaki Field Automatic which is a much nicer watch.
The SNK is a good field watch. Small, follows the traditional rules of the Seiko 5 aesthetic and design code and easy to upgrade it with sapphire crystal and an NH36 movement which is what I did with mine.
@@buying_Time yes, no problem at all. Just use the movement ring from the original case, and you will likely have to swap over the day and date disc from old movement to the new one.
I prefer them over the previous, but to be completely honest, they can really do a better job with the overall heaight of the watch, they don’t need a open case back and they can surely shave a couple of mm to make these around 11.5 to 12mm thick! Cmon Seiko!
I'm looking at this a bit selfishly. The SNK was my first automatic, and I really fell in love with the type B flieger style dial. But it was too small for me, and I wasn't a big fan of the handset. I like the style of the hands on this one much better, and the 39.5mm case puts it into my comfort zone. It's still too expensive, but when the price drops, I might be picking it up. But I agree with your rant in principle, it's disappointing to see Seiko's budget range get less diversity in case sizes.
Hey Dave! This size also fits me better, but somehow I much prefer the SNZG. Looking forward to your thoughts about the wee cocktail time. What a dial!
I think I know why they did it!!! They wanted to create a common size so they could produce both watches from the same assembly line slimming down the process and eliminating one production line. They wanted to increase the price of both watches. They wanted to remove any kind of water resistance indication from the dials so as to steer away those consumers purchasing because they are concerned about how water resistant the watch is over some other model type at least when viewing from above!!
Seems a little expensive for what it is, but I think it's got some good upgrades: 1) Better movement 2) It sounds like a better strap. (You didn't complain much about the strap, whereas the straps on the 809 are absolute shit). 3) Drilled lugs are a definite improvement. I'm not sure it quite justifies its price (especially with just a Hardlex crystal), but it seems like a significant upgrade.
i got the sprg27 for 180 it has 10bar water resistance, the movement is great for the price it lags about 6 seconds a day ( i dont have a machine to test this) and has hacking and handwinding. The bracelet is comfortable and looks sturdy with good closing mechanism. I really like the diameter and style. Although i really liked the looks of the snk381 because it looks almost exactly like the mac v sog watches. So i think its def worth the price and agreat watch i dont know if its still the same value though. Things i dont like are the numerals are not lumed and maybe better crystal but i like the slight dome.
The SNK and SNZG are two of the greatest watches that Seiko have produced. I have both and they were arguably the perfect introduction into the world of mechanical/automatic watches. How Seiko can realistically justify the price of these latest pieces is unknown to me. At $75 - 100 cheaper they would make more sense. I don't doubt the quality of the watches but they seem to run counter to the Seiko 5 philosophy.
What is Seiko doing ? .They are making money hand over fist that's what. Their watches are more popular than ever thanks to the irrational love they get from most social media watch "experts" .At this point they could rebrand an Invicta ,and the " fan boys" would fall all over themselves telling us it is the greatest thing ever made .
Totally agree regarding thickness. 13.2mm is ridiculous for a 39mm wide case. If glycine can give you 11mm 200m dive watches, seiko should be able to pull this off for 100m no-bezel.
It's a pity that they used the same case for the 2 series. To those if us with smaller wrist, the new model will not fit as good as the good old SNK due to the 47.7mm lug to lug distance.
Yup, the small size was what drew me to the SNK. I actually have two of them... and well south of $100. They doubled the price and messed up the size. I like the 4R movement a lot, though. Had they thrown sapphire in there they would fly off the shelves I bet. Seiko needs to get over hardlex and start putting sapphire in just about everything.
All I wanted was a 34-38mm seiko field watch with 7s movement and screw down crown… but here we are… Seiko is strictly following the steps of Bulova asking more to give you less… I’d even go as far as to say that they are not much different than random “stylish” brands from Amazon… Forgot their roots, forgot what quality control means… Soulless junk.
Bulova is a good comparison. Right now 95% of Bulova's offerings are junk - the only worthwhile stuff they make are their historical reissues and a couple of their high-end limited editions. I suspect Seiko's going to wind up looking very similar in a few years.
Seikos Moving up stream all around but also the case and metallurgy is a bit better with the new watch also they are using coatings that increases the cost along with the basic world economy shifting , just look at food, gas, rent , housing, cars everything has gone up and will most likely stay up.
Just got the Islander Field Watch. It is a spec monster but needs a new strap the leather/nylon is absolute crap. Put a nato on it it and it is awesome! Hand winding Hacking Sapphire Crystal Date complication Visible back (just cool, no real need)
Street prices are generally ok I'd say and they're readily available in the EU now. Even AliExpress watches have gotten more expensive recently and with Seiko 5 I don't need to deal with importing hassle so I generally like Seiko's move
I think Seiko recognized the potential in industrializing the modding of their watches. :) Looking forward to them introducing a full-on watch configurator where you choose the case, dial, hands, movement and straps. This may be too far out for just now, but I think they'll get there...
I'd argue the 'dress KX' SRPE models are the best value Seikos. I've picked up various versions for £130. Great watches and easy to mod now there's plenty of after market parts for it.
And it's also a different and special design. These new srph models look too generic and the srpg dials are better.. They lost that special thing that made the snk80x be a perfect military on a Nato strap watch.. But the green dressKX could be the new and better field/ nato type watch, if only there was a beadblasted version.
The SRPE with its iconic, bold yet restrained aesthetics and its quite refined case finishing is just awesome! Without the logo I wouldn't believe it's a Seiko 5. Why mod it if it's already perfect?
It really appears that Epson is pushing Seiko up-market and plan on having Orient fill in the gap. It's not a bad plan for Orient, but I don't know if Seiko can draw the higher prices. And micros with NH3x movements (and miyota movements) are so much more interesting, and factor in price, Seiko just isn't.
As an engineer and with probably a healthy dose of "when you're a hammer" I think they do this to increase margins. You have one case for two watches which is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to produce. And let's be honest, most people are complete pansies. They wear black, blue, white, grey and maybe a bit of green or beige if they've taken their brave pills. So yes, in a world of pandemics and uncertain production chains, companies will play it safe resulting in boring and expensive watches with little value if any. Get used to it, it's not going away.
The 4R movt is far superior - can be regulated to achieve impressive accuracy - these watches are worth every cent of the discounted price they will actually sell for.
While these “domestic” Seiko releases are extremely underwhelming for the price, their Spirit line is filled with excellent value. Many of the watches in that line have sapphire crystals, great specs, and designs. They’re Japan only, but easily found all over EBay. I’m eying the solar Chrono and the solar wold time. Both look like great pieces. Admittedly, I do really like the look of the "pilot" version, but no way at $200+. If I could get one at $150, or so, that's more reasonable (and then worth throwing a sapphire crystal in).
Hello, Jody! I enjoyed this rant and, as usual, we are of similar minds. The SNK is not a better watch than the SRPH, but it is so dear to the hearts of so many of us who became infatuated with mechanical watches as a result of encountering it, that it makes me sad to see it be re-jiggered and swole up (both physically, and monetarily) in this way. Such is the eventual fate, though, of all watch styles, eh? I like my blue SNZG11, but I'll never love it like I do my SNKs. Excuse me while I go buy a green SNK. ✌️❤️⌚
Agree. I think SEIKO have lost their way. Price points all over the place. Far too many similar versions across the entire range. That sweet-spot of around £150-200 for a really good watch has gone. You now have to pay silly money for SKX value and quality. 🤷🏻♂️
Economist advice! Cheaper production costs, but a compromise. I was looking at the older models a few years back….but bought a Citizen Model: BM8180-03E with green canvas strap, under $130 kiwi pesos, because 🤷♂️ (maybe because I’d bought a Promaster dive and liked the eco drive concept after paying for an older watch battery change…Animal Ti)
I started losing interest in Seiko when the prices started heading north. Used to be my go to watch for years but. The last Prospex 'Turtle' I bought had a misalignment at the 12 o'Clock mark on the bezel. The lack of Sapphire glass irked me too for the price, Microband watches do better than that. Just saying. The watch you're reviewing is rubbish in my opinion. Seiko 5 watches are crap .Overpriced and cheap and nasty. Been there done that and, sold them and lost some money. Thanks for the review. Seiko used to be top of the table for me but. Not for me now. Just saying. Once bitten, twice shy.
What appealed to me about Seikos have now pretty much gone extinct, beginning around the time of the Monster 2's existence. Prices raised, quality control lowered, models less appealing. Many more "special"/limited editions with undeservedly lofty pricing. No longer much interested in Seikos.
I'll take the new please, there's simply no excuse for Seiko to sell a 7S-based watch new in 2022 when you can get watches using Seiko's own NH3x movements for half the price.
At those sorts of prices, I'd rather get a San Martin or other brand with a Sellita movement. I'd also get a superb bracelet, clasp, and sapphire crystal at that price. It is funny you mention Invicta. I thought of them as well, but in another context. Invicta is a Swiss brand with heritage which has become a fashion brand. Maybe Seiko think they're moving up like Rolex by limiting supply of their good looking watches and increasing the prices of underspecced watches, but I think they're just becoming a fashion brand. There are some way better field watches on the market compared to this model for similar prices.
Dude have you seen the contar mk field watch? Portuguese company, amazing watch for 135 bucks, I'm getting one for sure as soon as it's available, you have got to check it out
So, to make a long story short: - Someone new at Seiko - who's completely clueless about watches - has mixed up all possible combos of case sizes, hand sets and dials - and put them out at twice the price that would be reasonable - for people without a clue about watches - who would be picking any of the off combos - for the asking price. Good luck with that! Seiko is off the list of watches I'll be looking at. End of story.
Could have made the upgrades to the SNK and the SNZG and kept everybody happy as ZCherish already mentioned. The 4R is a solid movement and the hand winding and hacking deserve a small increase in price, but not the price advertised. For me personally I don't buy watches above 40mm because I don't like the look even though I have a 7" wrist.
Seiko have stopped being a good value proposition ever since they discontinued the SKX and replaced it with the 5 series for double the price. Highly inaccurate movements, bang average bracelets/ straps, hardlex and loaded with quality control issues. Orient is the way to go for entry level.
Who would be cruel enough to want to get someone else, let alone a child, get into watches?! All the time and money spent on watching watches and buying and selling and tearing into and having drawers with parts and accessories. We're watching just one more watch after all, trying to justify an addiction, that's what I tell my wife. Don't get into watches, kids!
The 4R movement is pretty terrible based on my experience. I’ve got a turtle and it was losing right on the limit every day. After a couple of weeks it was 6-8 minutes slow. I got tired of resetting every couple of days or setting it fast to compensate. I also tried regulating but that was so hit and miss. I got it to run slightly fast but then it just went back to running slow. It now just sits in a drawer.
What I have noticed with the 4R and also 6R is that they run like 💩 if they have stopped. My Turtle for one time ran +5 minutes a day and I was like: "I regret buying that..." but then after 2 days it suddenly went to +2s/day. I don't know why that is the case and what has happened here but I have heard that from a lot of people. Maybe it has to do with the materials they use for the balance spring?
I normally agree with you, but I guess I'm in the minority because I like both of the new ones better, visually at least. I just got the SRPG35 and I love it. I wouldn't of minded if it was 41 or 42 but I still love it.
I wish I would’ve bought a Seiko SNK when they were still within my budget. I’m happy with my collection of Timex, Casio, and Invicta watches, but at one time a Seiko SNK would’ve been a more prominent brand for similar cash.
I picked up my SNK803 for about $75-80 a few years ago. It's currently $93 on Amazon. The blue and black dials are $93 and $96 respectively on Jomashop. The prices have gone up, but still
I have the SRPH21 with champagne sunburst dial and let me tell you, this thing goes visually toe to toe with Hammy Khaki. This is miles ahead of SNK case design and finish. While comparing to SNK: +100WR vs. unusable 30WR +4R36 vs. 7S26 +Drilled lugs +Beautiful finishing +Proper size for a flieger This is a watch even seasoned enthusiast can enjoy fully. SNK was a cheap entry with a great dial layout, which they kept and improved the rest.
You ask yourself why the SRPG and SRPH are so similar and why they made it in the same dimensions, but if you look closely they have the exact same case. Seiko being a massive corporation is looking for ways to cut cost and streamline production, so making two models with the exact same case and movement is a no brainer for them
I have bought, modded, and sold/given as gifts probably 20 SNK watches through the years. Fantastic watch for modding. The bezel polishes up very nicely. I will miss that watch.
Must say, I've been surprised by the price to spec sheet ratio of the new ones. "Hmm...seems steep, not much changed...bigger...whoah!!! Accurate to what per day???" Kind of shows that they're aiming at a crowd who aren't caring their watch is pretty inaccurate. When you try to please any and every audience, you mainly piss off the wrong people by pandering to the other ones. Sad to see. Great for the Hamiltons of the world though. Seiko are making then seem better by the day, without having to lift a finger. To quote Napoleon, "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake".
Mate, completely agree with you. As someone with a small wrist, I would love that they kept it 37. Anyway, great video! Keep it up!
The funny thing is, I never could work out why the SNZ field watches were 42mm and the SNK pilot's watches were 37mm... normally you'd swap that around. Pilot's watches are typically larger, and field watches are commonly smaller.
💁♂💁♂Guess it doesn't matter now!
@Abe Kamaldeen Heyyy, I'm a winner!! What's my prize??
IT looks that you've won experience with scammers 😂
This new watch only cost $usd 145-150 in my country (indonesia). So, this watch still a good deal😂
No-one at Seiko ever said that the SNZ was a field watch, if I recall correctly. That 42mm design was oddly reminiscent of the pilot's watches that the Japanse used in WWII, also produced by Seikosha. The SNK has a dial that was reminiscent of a German B-dialed Beobachtungsuhr, and as such is an oddity coming from Seiko as far as historic watches are concerned.
That said, the SNK was not something I ever recommended, because they were only 30m water resistant, which is a shit spec if you think about the 5 basic tenets of the Seiko 5 line. And it had an antiquated 7s26 movement without hacking and handwinding. And the strap was a piece of junk, much like the strap of the original SARB017, for what that's worth.
The new SRPG is a lovely 39mm size, the only problem is that it's a bit too thick at 13mm. The 39mm though is a much better diameter, period. It's in the goldilocks zone for casual / sporty watches for many wrist sizes. The SRPH is also much better than the old SNK models in that it has a more functional movement and 100m water resistance. Design-wise they are also much improved: better hands, better length, dial without this weird raised plastic ring of the SNZ, thus leading to a more harmonious look.
Ever since the series' inception in the 60's, Seiko 5 meant a watch that adheres to five principles: shock proof, water proof, automatic, day-date and durable. The old SNK never delivered on water proof, so it was a Seiko 4 at best. Even the new 5KX is selling like hotcakes in all kinds of funky versions, so it seems like that strategy pays off. And 100m WR is still ISO compliant. :)
So I don't know what this channel's problem is. Seiko is knocking this one out of the park, both in style and specifications. This constant bitching and whining about "jacking the price up" also bores me to tears. Folks always look at the end-game Amazon price of the old model, compare it to the RRP of the new model and then complain that the price went up too far, while sidestepping the improvements and the fact that prices in the retail channel never end up being the full RRP. This has been true for 30 years, and there's nothing new going on today. SARBS also had an RRP of 450 USD, while ending up at 275.
Does anyone reacting in this thread or threads like it even know what the actual RRP of the SNZ, SNK, SKX or SARB even was?
Meanwhile I never hear anyone whine about brands like Stowa raising prices by 10% per year over the last 6 years, thus ending up with the same flieger you bought for 540,- in 2014 at 1150 bucks in 2022. :) I'm specifically not mentioning Rolex and JLC pricing here either, because luxury and irrationality.
Then the complaining about Seiko 5 becoming a fashion watch. Seiko 5's have come in soooooo many variations over the last 50 odd years that you could argue it was a fashionable range ever since the sixties. In fact, Seiko has never had an expressly military range, because, well, because the Japanese don't really boast a lot about military things after WWII. Damn, their constitution even states the military is not to be seen as an offensive force, it's purely there for defence of the realm.
In short: I'm unsure why I still bother with this channel because it's a vinegar-pissing in inaccurate "it used to be better before" rhetoric with a click-bait-ish title slapped on top.
They should just made a 40mm and 38mm
I am new with SNK809. Maybe too small to me. Last hole in belt. Accuracy is good and shake winding not too often. Nice little piece.
Seiko seems to be abandoning the "affordable watch" market. This is bad for Seiko collectors, but great for microbrands.
I think part of it is Seiko's reaction to Chinese companies like San Martin, Cronos and even Steel Dive encroaching on Seiko's "affordable" market share with better specced watches at the same or even a lower price. And when people realize that the affordable Seikos are made in China, then it gets even muddier. I think Seiko has little choice but to abandon that segment to Orient and move the Seiko brand upwards.
Orient is seiko's answer to the "affordable watch" market
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They should make Seiko their mid to higher tier brand and finally make Lorus and Pulsars as their lower tier available worldwide.
Orient and Citizen should both stay a mid range brands for them.
Thats how I would re-position Epson-Seiko in the market.
This new watch only cost $usd 145-150 in my country (indonesia). So, this watch still a good deal😂
@@欧阳霖峰 Orient has little to do with watchmaking Seiko. They're pretty distant on the organizational chart of the corporate structure.
I really love the new Seiko 5 lineup and I actually understand and like the approach Seiko is choosing here. I mean, we had the "original" Seiko 5's around for decades and even though there were many amazing models there, honestly, there was nothing new to discover. Yes, that was also the reason why they were so cheap - tried and proven designs, all developemnt and design cost paid for decades ago, so these went just for the price of the fabrication. Yes, my first mechanical watch was the SNZG (that odd cream one ;-) ), I bought a few other 5s since, I also bought the SNK for my father a few years ago. But the line was going nowhere. With the reboot of the lineup, there are things happening. And yes, it's clear that Seiko chose a bit different way here. There will be more shared cases design, being it cost-cutting or parts-bin-optimization, I don't know. On the other hand, there has been a new emphasis on finishes, dial design and other fun elements. And there are models that us watch-nerds can love too. My personal favorite is the DressKX lineup, those are true GADA watches, with quite some variations and a great modding potential. Yes, the Seiko 5 lineup may not be that gateway watch in many cases, but in many, it will. Mainly many of the 5KX models can be a getaway watch not for kids, as some older 5s, but for young ones... Those, who in fact know only smartwatches nowadays. And that's a good thing and I thing a larger audience. Plus there's of course the question what comes next. The lineup is ever-growing since the reboot and I'm really curioust what we'll see next.
I for one welcome the changes that Seiko decided to do. I think they look way better than the older models. Really appreciate the better movement, and those little details (like the blacked hands). These new field/pilot watches are now seriously competing with the Hamilton Khaki Field line. I decided to go for one of these as the Hammy's are still double the price of the Seiko SRPG.
When it comes to their new Seiko 5 Range. I feel like its heavily geared towards the younger generation (I'd say Boys and Girls in their 20's to mid 30's). They even host giveaways on Instagram, where you have to show off the way you combine the watch with your outfit.
I also have a Seiko SNZG13J, green, i bought it with a metal bracelet, it was the only one my local watch dealer had. I changed the metal bracelet to a green nato strap, and put a compass on. It is still one of my alltime favourite watches. Perhaps i should visit my watchdealer agin and ask for a SNK while they are still around. what i like with the older ones are their hands and their apperances, what i dislike but can live with are the Seiko shake to start them. In Sweden the Seiko SRPH29K will cost 3298 SEK, in Australian $ it will be 493,10. In my world the SRPH29K is a flieger type B and not a fieldwatch.
Yeah wow a lot going on here..
The good:
Goldilocks size at ~39.4mm - the drilled lugs - and the better movement
The bad:
Too thick - non-matching day/date window - and a price point that has me looking more toward a Hamilton variant..
Cheers Jody ! Rock on.
Sooo... I do what everyone does. I make a watch purchase and then spend days watching reviews of said watch to justify the purchase. I bought the srph33k black and orange and LOVE it. Actually 'love it' is doiong my current watch honeymoon an injustice. I adore it. The black and orange colourway is a striking winner. Perfect size too. I'm so in love with it. Having spent $$$ on Swiss of late -I'm so jumping onboard the Seiko 5 train. Toot toot! [edit - I purchased for just over $300 Aussie]
Picked this one up a few days ago, at a fairly decent price, still not amazing but definitely doable 250eu (it is what it is).
However I found it very charming and inviting In person.
Honestly it was exactly what I was looking for.
Rugged enough in look / style for day to day use, yet clean enough to accompany a step up in “ aesthetic “.
The green is darker than it is on camera and in pictures, that it’s almost elegant.
The rough texture of the dial is really lovely.
And indeed surprisingly enough I fell in love with the legibility of the face via the sword/syringe hybrid hands. Practically perfect.
Again it’s only been a few days but it’s really growing on me.
I particularly enjoy the highlighted orange pips.
And the lume sufficient enough for night use after one quick charge.
All in all I’m actually satisfied and the quality of the watch is almost visceral.
Happy I picked it up and it is probably going to be my main day to day, and even may replace my tissot chrono… TBD.
I can understand the legacy mindset and I also wouldn’t have minded a further price cut, however this watch almost feels it’s price and I’ve quite shockingly gotten several compliments on it already which usually doesn’t happen even for more pricey watches in my collection.
So ultimately I say
It wears great.
Looks just right.
Its comfortable to wear.
7.9/10 would recommend
(Will update if anything changes)
Snagged a blue SNK when it was $50, and am wearing it right now. I've always loved/hated the handset. The alpha/lozenge hands are sharp, clear, and somewhat unique, but... The hour hand passes over the middle of the 1 - 12 numerals, and the minutes hand covers 95% of the 5 - ^? The second hand is similarly lost: the tip is perfectly lined up with the minute, but the lollipop just misses the 1 - 12 numerals? It's nice that it doesn't obscure them, but then it doesn't line up with anything...
Not sure I like the new handset any better, but they definitely have a more consistent idea of where they belong, which is welcome!
enjoyed the video.....I am guessing economies of scale.....saving money in manufacturing processes, with same cases, movements etc; raise the price, and much bigger profits. Seiko seem to be on a mission, consolidating models and genres, losing their lower priced entry tool type watches (SKX's etc) and pushing into more generic fashionable colours and dials...oh and significant price rises. QC issues......a recent SRPD71K2 suits I bought was spot on.
Let's see what we have here...
SNK were 37mm, crown at 4'ish.
SNZ were 42mm, crown at 3.
Seiko discontinues both & incorporates both dial designs in in one case: 39mm, crown at 3.
Seiko needs to take both dial designs and put them in the 5KX 43mm case for those of us with larger wrists (and those with smaller wrists as well that prefer a larger wrist presence) bringing back our beloved crown at the 4'ish mark. ⌚😎👍
They both have better eligibility by having minute hand much closer to chapter ring
I prefer the latest ones
*A company's product line has changed with some incremental improvements and inflation of prices*
"Oh no! Anyway..."
Funny...I just bought the Cream dial Fleeger today. You missed that one. I want to put it on a medium brown leather strap... I have all of the SNK and SNZG's....
would love to see a review on the West End Watch Co! seems very underrated but still has excellent pedigree and history with Longines
I had a SNK for my first watch ever. I loved it for about 4 months until I dropped it, and totalled the watch on my bathroom floor…it also was my first watch that really got me interested in modifying watches. It was cheap, it was comfortable, I threw a Khaki Field style dial and hands and an NH movement in it, and I still have it and wear it regularly.
This new series of watches look actually really good, but the pricing is far too high. Seiko would really do well to release even if a new case, but something in the 35-37mm size, and around $150aud to get people interested in watches.
I have average sized wrist but I prefer smaller watches and don't usually buy watches over 40mm (I only have two watches over 40mm, both seikos with compact lugs) so I really enjoy this new case SEIKO has introduced.
Your points in the rant are fair, but I don't know if I agree. A gateway watch is nice, but being able to pick from either style in a size that works (rather than have to settle for the style you like in a large or small size) feels like a smart move to appeal to adults already interested in watches?
Meh, I'm not here to spread more negativity on the internet; your discussions are always interesting and well-thought, Jody! And the review was excellent as always. Keep up the lovely work, and thanks for all that you do.
The SNZ is too big. The SNK looks cool but 3 bar is IMO unacceptable (looking at you too, Hamilton Mechanical). Thinking about pulling the trigger on the newbie. Pros: dial, new features, and 10 bar. Cons: no sapphire, thickness, price. Still seems a tempting option for sub 500 field-ish watch.
Hi Jody, Enjoyed the rant all the things I would have moaned about too. Seiko have now moved out of my price range unless they make something really special. you would think if the price goes up they would be using sapphire crystal by now
What about Seiko Divers ? . There should be at least 10 models that look exactly the same , big , bulky and heavy copies of each other .
Your videos are very well done! Thanks.
Bought the H version on Jomashop for 179.00 U.S. last week
I've always been curious, on the second hand is the orange end or the lollipop end the correct marker. In daylight, my eye moves to the orange end but it is not visible in the dark.
Holy carp! SRPG with SRPH hands would be perfect. Make it happen Seiko!
I think you are right to point out the reduced variety in the Seiko range. The new one is better specified and better looking than the original, but the one case/price fits all range will lose them customers. Not many will spend that money on a first watch for a child and the new case is too big anyway.
Far too big for a child, agreed. They pump out new models every two weeks. Why did they take away two, and effectively only replace them with one?
nice watch... there around £120 here in uk... cheers
Guess they listened to you with the new 36.4mm Seiko SRPJ watches coming out. I mean I always thought it was pretty obvious they were coming eventually
Im considering between this srph29 and srpg33 right now. Both of them are selling at a same price of aud 225 right now. Really wang to get one, but dont know which one to get 😅
I have the SNZG. Still wear it occasionally and it’s a great watch… It’s still available and I would highly recommend picking that one up For anyone starting out in the hobby. Far better value then the new one! Thanks Jody!
Hoping they'll make a Khaki field replica with ar coating - that's what I'm looking for.. one day?
$275 is still a ridiculous price when Orients with sapphire crystals and other microbrands can be had with virtually the same NH35 movement and sapphire crystals as well
Seiko finally went completely bananas! Better buy Orient, batter and more affordable price
If they had made the new one into a 35/36mm one, I would have been in.
In Cadisen Pagani we trust 🤞😀
I'm pretty much over Seiko at this point. I had an SNK which never seemed to run properly and so I sold and replaced with a quartz Timex for my beater field watch. I'd love to get the mini Turtle as an actual diving watch (seriously, I've been putting off scuba certification for years) but 500 for hardlex and a 4r35? Just like these the prices are ridiculous when you can just wear a Gshock or something.
Personally, I can't stomach the new 5 line. As far as I can tell, they have given up on the idea of providing a quality intro mechanical watch to fit almost all wrists. The qc issues were acceptable on the old 5s, seems to me that they have slapped the updated movement in a bulky case and said give me all the monies.
Nice looking watch, but hardlex for 250-300$ it's a shame. Waitin 4 hommage from ali with sapphire))
I'm so glad that Seiko starts putting a domed crystals, it transforms the watch, on any watch it looks way better. I like it. Finally.
Weird choice for a military style watch
Call me crazy, but I actually love what Seiko is doing with the 5 Sports line. They are significantly higher quality than the old 5 line, with better movements and better straps/bracelets. The line is more focused as well. A little higher priced, but still priced right in line with what you’re getting. I have lots of much more expensive watches, and never felt compelled to get a Seiko 5 until the new refresh. Now I have 3, lol.
Okay, Crazy.
Makes sense. There were a lot of odd models on previous line, at least these new ones are beautiful.
I bought 3 of the old smaller ones as gifts when they were more like $60-65. Now, to get a Seiko automatic movement in a $60 watch you have to get something from the Invicta/Pagani Teir. I'll wear those brands personally, but I liked buying other people at least a name they recognized. IMHO this is a big loss for Seiko AND the rest of the watch world. Is it worth it to get yet another $200 mid tier Sekio line? We already had like 30 of those...
@@kleinbottled79 Seikos best watches are above 400 Dollars. In that category Seiko is absolute unbeatable. Why would you look for 60 Dollar watches with low end Movements?
Great watches/price. I think just when comparing to older models they replaced is when people have problems. But like he said, just wait a little for prices to settle down.
I'd take a 39mm over a 42mm or 37mm any day. They took two models that looked nice to me, but were the wrong size and packaged them in a perfect 39mm. Two thumbs up from me. Good job Seiko.
Don’t forget about those of us who prefer the 36-38mm space. Seiko for example does not have a single modern mechanical dive watch under 40mm. From the brand the gave us the SKX013, such a shame.
I'd say it's worth $200-$250 new. Seiko's just asking too much at the moment.
In fact, I'd say it's getting too close to the price of the Hamilton Khaki Field Automatic which is a much nicer watch.
Really love this watch, I prefer it aesthetically to my SNK809 and the 4R movement is an upgrade. That price is insulting though.
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This new watch only cost $usd 145-150 in my country (indonesia). So, this watch still a good deal😂
The SNK is a good field watch. Small, follows the traditional rules of the Seiko 5 aesthetic and design code and easy to upgrade it with sapphire crystal and an NH36 movement which is what I did with mine.
@@whatsstefon does it fit a nh36 without problems?
@@buying_Time yes, no problem at all. Just use the movement ring from the original case, and you will likely have to swap over the day and date disc from old movement to the new one.
"Seiko becoming Invicta" Sure the fanboys will appreciate that quip. But DEFINITELY fair... $495 is simply ridiculous
I prefer them over the previous, but to be completely honest, they can really do a better job with the overall heaight of the watch, they don’t need a open case back and they can surely shave a couple of mm to make these around 11.5 to 12mm thick! Cmon Seiko!
I'm looking at this a bit selfishly. The SNK was my first automatic, and I really fell in love with the type B flieger style dial. But it was too small for me, and I wasn't a big fan of the handset. I like the style of the hands on this one much better, and the 39.5mm case puts it into my comfort zone. It's still too expensive, but when the price drops, I might be picking it up. But I agree with your rant in principle, it's disappointing to see Seiko's budget range get less diversity in case sizes.
Hey Dave! This size also fits me better, but somehow I much prefer the SNZG. Looking forward to your thoughts about the wee cocktail time. What a dial!
Seiko keeps raising their prices with no real changes to justify the increase.
The quality of their watches haven't gone up, that's for sure.
Look around, everything has gone up in price. My Omega I bought last year is £500 more than I paid and the exact same watch. Inflation happens.
I think I know why they did it!!! They wanted to create a common size so they could produce both watches from the same assembly line slimming down the process and eliminating one production line. They wanted to increase the price of both watches. They wanted to remove any kind of water resistance indication from the dials so as to steer away those consumers purchasing because they are concerned about how water resistant the watch is over some other model type at least when viewing from above!!
Seems a little expensive for what it is, but I think it's got some good upgrades:
1) Better movement
2) It sounds like a better strap. (You didn't complain much about the strap, whereas the straps on the 809 are absolute shit).
3) Drilled lugs are a definite improvement.
I'm not sure it quite justifies its price (especially with just a Hardlex crystal), but it seems like a significant upgrade.
This new watch only cost $usd 145-150 in my country (indonesia). So, this watch still a good deal😂
i got the sprg27 for 180 it has 10bar water resistance, the movement is great for the price it lags about 6 seconds a day ( i dont have a machine to test this) and has hacking and handwinding. The bracelet is comfortable and looks sturdy with good closing mechanism. I really like the diameter and style. Although i really liked the looks of the snk381 because it looks almost exactly like the mac v sog watches. So i think its def worth the price and agreat watch i dont know if its still the same value though.
Things i dont like are the numerals are not lumed and maybe better crystal but i like the slight dome.
The SNK and SNZG are two of the greatest watches that Seiko have produced. I have both and they were arguably the perfect introduction into the world of mechanical/automatic watches. How Seiko can realistically justify the price of these latest pieces is unknown to me. At $75 - 100 cheaper they would make more sense. I don't doubt the quality of the watches but they seem to run counter to the Seiko 5 philosophy.
What is Seiko doing ? .They are making money hand over fist that's what. Their watches are more popular than ever thanks to the irrational love they get from most social media watch "experts" .At this point they could rebrand an Invicta ,and the " fan boys" would fall all over themselves telling us it is the greatest thing ever made .
Totally agree regarding thickness. 13.2mm is ridiculous for a 39mm wide case. If glycine can give you 11mm 200m dive watches, seiko should be able to pull this off for 100m no-bezel.
That glycine is poisonous, i have one and instantly lost interest with other watch, it so damn thin.
It's a pity that they used the same case for the 2 series. To those if us with smaller wrist, the new model will not fit as good as the good old SNK due to the 47.7mm lug to lug distance.
Yup, the small size was what drew me to the SNK. I actually have two of them... and well south of $100. They doubled the price and messed up the size. I like the 4R movement a lot, though. Had they thrown sapphire in there they would fly off the shelves I bet. Seiko needs to get over hardlex and start putting sapphire in just about everything.
wow, didn't realize they weren't producing the SNK anymore. Glad i picked one up a year ago or so.
At this point Seiko actively tries to get us to buy more micro brands. I am certain lol.
All I wanted was a 34-38mm seiko field watch with 7s movement and screw down crown… but here we are…
Seiko is strictly following the steps of Bulova asking more to give you less…
I’d even go as far as to say that they are not much different than random “stylish” brands from Amazon…
Forgot their roots, forgot what quality control means…
Soulless junk.
Hear hear
Bulova is a good comparison. Right now 95% of Bulova's offerings are junk - the only worthwhile stuff they make are their historical reissues and a couple of their high-end limited editions. I suspect Seiko's going to wind up looking very similar in a few years.
Seikos Moving up stream all around but also the case and metallurgy is a bit better with the new watch also they are using coatings that increases the cost along with the basic world economy shifting , just look at food, gas, rent , housing, cars everything has gone up and will most likely stay up.
as far as the 'gateway auto' thing, some people might come to outgrow the SNK 37mm case, while the 39.4mm one, one might grow into it. imo...
I'd go for the Islander field and pilot watch series or the Boldr Venture series. Much better specifications for similar or lower prices.
Just got the Islander Field Watch. It is a spec monster but needs a new strap the leather/nylon is absolute crap. Put a nato on it it and it is awesome!
Hand winding
Hacking
Sapphire Crystal
Date complication
Visible back (just cool, no real need)
@@btuthill9653 No different to any of the Seiko watches I own. Their straps and bracelets are all crap and were the first things to be replaced.
totally want an Islander but all sOLd OuT
Street prices are generally ok I'd say and they're readily available in the EU now. Even AliExpress watches have gotten more expensive recently and with Seiko 5 I don't need to deal with importing hassle so I generally like Seiko's move
I think Seiko recognized the potential in industrializing the modding of their watches. :)
Looking forward to them introducing a full-on watch configurator where you choose the case, dial, hands, movement and straps. This may be too far out for just now, but I think they'll get there...
I'd argue the 'dress KX' SRPE models are the best value Seikos. I've picked up various versions for £130. Great watches and easy to mod now there's plenty of after market parts for it.
Agree Kit. I heralded it as 'The Best New Seiko In Years' and haven't changed my mind about that either!
Wish it came in at 37mm
And it's also a different and special design. These new srph models look too generic and the srpg dials are better.. They lost that special thing that made the snk80x be a perfect military on a Nato strap watch.. But the green dressKX could be the new and better field/ nato type watch, if only there was a beadblasted version.
The SRPE with its iconic, bold yet restrained aesthetics and its quite refined case finishing is just awesome! Without the logo I wouldn't believe it's a Seiko 5. Why mod it if it's already perfect?
indeed, the absolute value of this watch is just insane
It really appears that Epson is pushing Seiko up-market and plan on having Orient fill in the gap. It's not a bad plan for Orient, but I don't know if Seiko can draw the higher prices. And micros with NH3x movements (and miyota movements) are so much more interesting, and factor in price, Seiko just isn't.
As an engineer and with probably a healthy dose of "when you're a hammer" I think they do this to increase margins. You have one case for two watches which is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to produce. And let's be honest, most people are complete pansies. They wear black, blue, white, grey and maybe a bit of green or beige if they've taken their brave pills. So yes, in a world of pandemics and uncertain production chains, companies will play it safe resulting in boring and expensive watches with little value if any.
Get used to it, it's not going away.
Righto. When my allocation comes up for a Helm Komodo, I'm getting the orange.
Yeah. I think you might be right.
@@pmckinlay653 I'm getting a orange doxa at some point in the very near future.
The 4R movt is far superior - can be regulated to achieve impressive accuracy - these watches are worth every cent of the discounted price they will actually sell for.
While these “domestic” Seiko releases are extremely underwhelming for the price, their Spirit line is filled with excellent value. Many of the watches in that line have sapphire crystals, great specs, and designs. They’re Japan only, but easily found all over EBay. I’m eying the solar Chrono and the solar wold time. Both look like great pieces.
Admittedly, I do really like the look of the "pilot" version, but no way at $200+. If I could get one at $150, or so, that's more reasonable (and then worth throwing a sapphire crystal in).
Watching this with my SNK803. Yup, the cream one. Just gonna stay for the rant. Scots rants are the best.
Edit: paid around $60 about 10 years ago.
Hello, Jody!
I enjoyed this rant and, as usual, we are of similar minds.
The SNK is not a better watch than the SRPH, but it is so dear to the hearts of so many of us who became infatuated with mechanical watches as a result of encountering it, that it makes me sad to see it be re-jiggered and swole up (both physically, and monetarily) in this way.
Such is the eventual fate, though, of all watch styles, eh?
I like my blue SNZG11, but I'll never love it like I do my SNKs.
Excuse me while I go buy a green SNK.
✌️❤️⌚
Agree. I think SEIKO have lost their way. Price points all over the place. Far too many similar versions across the entire range. That sweet-spot of around £150-200 for a really good watch has gone. You now have to pay silly money for SKX value and quality. 🤷🏻♂️
Economist advice! Cheaper production costs, but a compromise. I was looking at the older models a few years back….but bought a Citizen Model: BM8180-03E with green canvas strap, under $130 kiwi pesos, because 🤷♂️ (maybe because I’d bought a Promaster dive and liked the eco drive concept after paying for an older watch battery change…Animal Ti)
I'm new to the watch game, but all the reviews I've seen regarding QC and price have thoroughly put me off from buying a Seiko.
I started losing interest in Seiko when the prices started heading north. Used to be my go to watch for years but. The last Prospex 'Turtle' I bought had a misalignment at the 12 o'Clock mark on the bezel. The lack of Sapphire glass irked me too for the price, Microband watches do better than that. Just saying. The watch you're reviewing is rubbish in my opinion. Seiko 5 watches are crap .Overpriced and cheap and nasty. Been there done that and, sold them and lost some money. Thanks for the review. Seiko used to be top of the table for me but. Not for me now. Just saying. Once bitten, twice shy.
Seiko is shit.
Bracelet is shit.
Crysral is mostly shit (when not sapphire).
Markers alignment is shit.
Complete fail in my book.
What appealed to me about Seikos have now pretty much gone extinct, beginning around the time of the Monster 2's existence. Prices raised, quality control lowered, models less appealing. Many more "special"/limited editions with undeservedly lofty pricing. No longer much interested in Seikos.
I'll take the new please, there's simply no excuse for Seiko to sell a 7S-based watch new in 2022 when you can get watches using Seiko's own NH3x movements for half the price.
At those sorts of prices, I'd rather get a San Martin or other brand with a Sellita movement. I'd also get a superb bracelet, clasp, and sapphire crystal at that price.
It is funny you mention Invicta. I thought of them as well, but in another context. Invicta is a Swiss brand with heritage which has become a fashion brand. Maybe Seiko think they're moving up like Rolex by limiting supply of their good looking watches and increasing the prices of underspecced watches, but I think they're just becoming a fashion brand.
There are some way better field watches on the market compared to this model for similar prices.
Dude have you seen the contar mk field watch? Portuguese company, amazing watch for 135 bucks, I'm getting one for sure as soon as it's available, you have got to check it out
So, to make a long story short:
- Someone new at Seiko
- who's completely clueless about watches
- has mixed up all possible combos of case sizes, hand sets and dials
- and put them out at twice the price that would be reasonable
- for people without a clue about watches
- who would be picking any of the off combos
- for the asking price.
Good luck with that!
Seiko is off the list of watches I'll be looking at.
End of story.
Could have made the upgrades to the SNK and the SNZG and kept everybody happy as ZCherish already mentioned. The 4R is a solid movement and the hand winding and hacking deserve a small increase in price, but not the price advertised. For me personally I don't buy watches above 40mm because I don't like the look even though I have a 7" wrist.
Seiko have stopped being a good value proposition ever since they discontinued the SKX and replaced it with the 5 series for double the price.
Highly inaccurate movements, bang average bracelets/ straps, hardlex and loaded with quality control issues.
Orient is the way to go for entry level.
Hmmm well yes Jody ! Just take a look at the 5KX;( milking the bell out of that case! A former legend of a watch;(
Indeed mate, every time they update a watch, it ends up losing its soul. Hope you are well!
Who would be cruel enough to want to get someone else, let alone a child, get into watches?!
All the time and money spent on watching watches and buying and selling and tearing into and having drawers with parts and accessories. We're watching just one more watch after all, trying to justify an addiction, that's what I tell my wife.
Don't get into watches, kids!
The 4R movement is pretty terrible based on my experience. I’ve got a turtle and it was losing right on the limit every day. After a couple of weeks it was 6-8 minutes slow. I got tired of resetting every couple of days or setting it fast to compensate. I also tried regulating but that was so hit and miss. I got it to run slightly fast but then it just went back to running slow. It now just sits in a drawer.
That's my experience of 4Rs too. Buy at sale time and you can get Swiss at these Seiko prices.
What I have noticed with the 4R and also 6R is that they run like 💩 if they have stopped. My Turtle for one time ran +5 minutes a day and I was like: "I regret buying that..." but then after 2 days it suddenly went to +2s/day. I don't know why that is the case and what has happened here but I have heard that from a lot of people. Maybe it has to do with the materials they use for the balance spring?
@@thomasa.243 Good to know. I’ve actually put it on and am giving it another try. I noticed it tends to be better on wrist too.
I like these watches. The 4R movement and the 100M water resistance is a definite upgrade.
Just too many other choices now in equivalent quality at slightly better prices. Time (hah) to drift away from Seiko.
Seiko's affordable watch market has vanished like FLIGHT 370.
I normally agree with you, but I guess I'm in the minority because I like both of the new ones better, visually at least. I just got the SRPG35 and I love it. I wouldn't of minded if it was 41 or 42 but I still love it.
I wish I would’ve bought a Seiko SNK when they were still within my budget. I’m happy with my collection of Timex, Casio, and Invicta watches, but at one time a Seiko SNK would’ve been a more prominent brand for similar cash.
Do you mind if I ask what country you're in?
Citizen’s pieces are pretty reasonable as well for collecting.
I picked up my SNK803 for about $75-80 a few years ago. It's currently $93 on Amazon. The blue and black dials are $93 and $96 respectively on Jomashop. The prices have gone up, but still
This new watch only cost $usd 145-150 in my country (indonesia). So, this watch still a good deal😂
@@gamesetmatt23 Texas
I have the SRPH21 with champagne sunburst dial and let me tell you, this thing goes visually toe to toe with Hammy Khaki. This is miles ahead of SNK case design and finish.
While comparing to SNK:
+100WR vs. unusable 30WR
+4R36 vs. 7S26
+Drilled lugs
+Beautiful finishing
+Proper size for a flieger
This is a watch even seasoned enthusiast can enjoy fully. SNK was a cheap entry with a great dial layout, which they kept and improved the rest.
Seiko should just budget quartz & solar watches. The automatic Seikos should be half the price
Theres deffo the hand wind, white lume Hammy in my local AD fir about that price, Seiko might have made a boo boo
Invicta should start making clones, er, "homages" of discontinued Seikos.
News Flash Seiko is changing its name to…..Psycho 🤨
You ask yourself why the SRPG and SRPH are so similar and why they made it in the same dimensions, but if you look closely they have the exact same case. Seiko being a massive corporation is looking for ways to cut cost and streamline production, so making two models with the exact same case and movement is a no brainer for them
I prefer my small original. It was my entry watch and very happy with it. At 1/3 of the price.
I have bought, modded, and sold/given as gifts probably 20 SNK watches through the years. Fantastic watch for modding. The bezel polishes up very nicely. I will miss that watch.
Must say, I've been surprised by the price to spec sheet ratio of the new ones. "Hmm...seems steep, not much changed...bigger...whoah!!! Accurate to what per day???" Kind of shows that they're aiming at a crowd who aren't caring their watch is pretty inaccurate. When you try to please any and every audience, you mainly piss off the wrong people by pandering to the other ones. Sad to see. Great for the Hamiltons of the world though. Seiko are making then seem better by the day, without having to lift a finger. To quote Napoleon, "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake".