Joseph McKernan. In the novel, it was not a burn but an horrible face from birth. His own mother could not watch him without a mask. Society rejected him the instant he was born.
I always feel so bad for Carlotta when she finds Piangi's body. She and Piangi loved each other and Piangi was just caught in the crossfire. This is where the Phantom crossed the line
I think this is one of the actual improvements from stage to screen. We don't need a big epic before intermission in a movie, so it was a good decision to save it for this moment. Great way to raise suspense right before climax. I really like this change.
At first when i saw the ending for the all i ask of you scene i was furious when they didn't drop the chandelier but then after seeing it here after point of no return i totally forgave them
I agree. It also makes more sense as well that an incident like that, along with the massive fire it causes is what ultimately led to the Opera house most likely closing for good and then the auction all those years later.
A villain you can understand is a masterpiece. He was rejected since birth and never had anyone to love except Christine. So he'd do anything to feel her love and happiness
I agreed completely! It’s like if a heavy object such as the chandelier were to fall and crash seeing the way it comes down is almost too realistic haha but if it were to come crashing down realistically though it would sway and just drop straight down (maybe swaying along the way thanks to gravity) once all the ropes and support came loose
However it makes no fuckng sense as to how the chandelier actually fell. Gerard Butler simply cut a rope tied to a stage prop and eventually that rope is the only thing holding the chandelier above
@@alexb7065 that last rope was tied to a very light weight prop (a wooden bridge something), it's not eno7gh to hold the whole chandelier with all that weight
This is a big plus the movie has over the stage production (although the Las Vegas production has adopted it as well). The opening scene talks about "that disaster never fully explained" yet in the stage show the opera house seemed to be doing just fine afterwards even after the chandelier crashes.
@@distracted900 "Remember, there are worse things than a shattered chandelier." And in "Masquerade" don't they sing about a new chandelier, since it just fell on the stage and somehow everything else was fine? (Edit: Oh, other than the guy getting hanged earlier that evening in front of the whole audience, after which the show somehow went on.) I suppose a gasolier probably would cause a massive fire, although I'm not sure why the windows are exploding while we see the inside not having become a full-on inferno....
@Alaina Udzinski I think it's because Madame Giry didn't want Meg to be trapped in Erik's basement. But either way, she can still be easily killed both in a burning opera house, and underground.
The building seems much more on fire from the outside shot than the inside shot, though.... 🧐 (Not that the inside shot looks particularly auspicious.)
Fact: original scene in the play was based on a real incident at a french opera house in which the chandelier itself didn't fall but a weight for it did and it crushed someone. Andrew Lloyd Webber thought about if the Entire chandelier had fallen instead
glittered.pencils when I saw it on stage I was in awe of it all. I do wisht I would have done some research before hand. The boat scene on the blue fog was amazing.
How was you not expecting that, that is one of the most iconic scenes in theatre history wether you seen the show or not! Also was first shown in the iconic on Chaney 1925 Phantom of the Opera film version etc So rather confused"
Fun fact: Webber's "really useful crew" is named after the cancelled Thomas the Tank Engine musical he was going to make in the 1970s. For more information, several videos exist about the musical.
I've never been the biggest fan of the 1980s style (including the drumline) that permeates so much of Phantom. That's one reason I like this scene -- it's a more timeless and orchestral arrangement (especially starting at 1:26) that dynamically captures the best of the main Phantom theme. That it runs during the most epic moment in the story is a bonus.
The Phantom's deformity looking like a bad sunburn is even funnier when you question why the audience even freaks out? He's on stage on a high up platform, maybe like 10% of the people there could even see his face well enough to disturbed.
Nobody probably noticed but the way it was edited on 1:08 shows that they cut it, changed so much on his face then sped it up so no one would notice when Christine took off the Phantoms mask
@@mateussouza8040 Actually, it is edited. They put him in a smaller mask during this scene (for some stupid reason) and once the mask is ripped off, you can see that there's more disfigurement in places the mask didn't even cover.
It's an extremely well put together sequence in the film. Between the ropes and chains coming apart and ripping through the ceiling to the people fleeing, the fire starting, chaos everywhere... it's just very well done.
Fire Bros but also keep in mind that the movie vs. the musical are two very different things. In the musical it's split into two acts. He shatters the chandelier at the end of Act I. Fast forward 6 months later they purchase a new chandelier hence in "Masquerade" they say "To a prosperous year, To the new chandelier". While in the movie it's the films climax
Marrythenightgaga101 I know I was just saying I thought it was funny instead of a main character having the chandelier land at there feet the conductor a miner character has it almost hit him
In the Las Vegas production, they did the chandelier crash at the same scene, right after Christine pulls Erik’s mask off of him, he shouts, “BRING DOWN THE CHANDELIER!!!!!” And the chandelier crashes, giving him time to escape with Christine.
i loved this scene so much you have to idea and the fact that they dropped an actual chandelier is crazyyyyy aside from the fact that poor carlotta found piangi's body, i absolutely loved the chandelier crash and all the music and pretty much everything it's sad that a ton of people hate or make fun of this movie, i personally think it was the best
@@盧璘壽로인수obviously.. they made like 3 different chandeliers for the movie the one that dropped was made of break away glass and was designed to snap in the middle
Abandoned Adventures Well to be fair, it was ripping out the plaster/concrete from the ceiling as it went. I imagine that would put a little slack in the falling speed.
It’s the way she looks at him that sells this scene. Her feeling love for him knowing thats she getting ready to help take him down when all he sees in her is love. The way she tears up and her facial expressions scream im sorry for what is about to happen to you… but it must
at first i hated that his unmasked makeup wasn't as gruesome as it's described in other media, but then i realised that it's not his face thats the reason why people are screaming in horror, its because of the things he's done up to this point. he's basically a lookscel.
Plus the make up is worse on the stage show so people in the back can see. I guess they didn’t need to make it as bad here because we get the lovely close ups.
saw someone on tvtropes suggest Carlotta would be a better villain for LND than what they went with, given that she lost her lover and possibly her career due to the Phantom.
How many of us people really know about the original phantom of the opera from the 1925 movie. So you realize that in that movie, Lon Chaney actually had his face completely redone with some putty on his face near his cheeks and his mouth. His mouth was made larger by putting some wadding in it, and his nose was held to look the way that it did with some metal wires that went up past his forehead. Just watch the documentary on the phantom which is called A Phantom Unmasked, and I am sure you will be very surprised with what we all thought we had known for so long.
That’s not the original Phantom. The original Phantom of the Opera is Gaston Leroux’s 1909 novel. In the original novel Erik is entirely deformed. The 1925 silent film is the most accurate adaptation of the book, though.
An earlier scene, shows him cutting (well, tossing away) all the backup and support ones. If you mean the one rope managed to keep from being torn off, it was strong enough to get through plaster and to stay attached to the chandelier, though that was it The book has him cutting the the chandelier either during or before a performance, having it land on a lady and making it seem like the cord had gotten old, frayed, and did it on its own. He was rather more subtle in the book.
He technically tampered with it earlier in the movie removing some of it's support i.e. chains ropes etc so that it was weaker. Upon cutting the rope it triggered a chain reaction so that everything would lose its support as soon as he cut it so that he could make a fast get away with Christine. Pretty smart really
I watched this in my theater class and I knew he was going to do this since the beginning despite never seeing this movie. The movie practaclly told us in the beginning and since then I was just waiting for this thinking "Just do it already!"
I've always loved music and this is proof of it. One thing that I always think when the one owner says that they are ruined I'm thinking yeah because you failed to listen to the Phantom of the Opera this is what you get. Over all I could listen to the music from this all day long
Im just wondering how much of this he planned? I wouldn't think he planned for Christine to take off his mask and for him to drop the chandelier, as it destroyed the entire operahouse, and I wouldn't think he would want the opera house destroyed. But right before Don Juan Triumphant, he deliberately set fire to his model of the opera house auditorium, so that makes me think he planned it. And even if he did plan dropping the chandelier, what was he going to do after that?
The Phantom was a mastermind of the Opera House and knew every nook and cranny of it considering he lived in it from when he was a kid until adulthood. Cut to an earlier scene it shows him removing all the support to the chandelier the ropes pulleys etc. so I don’t think he was entirely thinking that Christine would remove his mask but just on the off chance ( I suppose) he had to make a get away with her when and if she did. So upon cutting the rope it sent a chain reaction in the ceiling causing the chandelier to come crashing down. As for the Opera House burning down I haven’t an explanation for that lol possibly revenge for all those that shut him out and made him feel like a monster and the House was also owned by new management that the Phantom didn’t take to kindly to them for not following his orders
I might not know as much about this as you, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but would it seem more likely that what the Phantom prepared for was not Christine removing his mask, but the owners of the opera calling the police? To me it seemed like there were two constables positioned in the wings on either side, so he couldn’t escape those ways. He had already made it clear that Christine was his hostage, so it’s reasonable to assume that there would be some police involvement. What better way to escape a full brigade than to give them another problem to deal with?
@@SkyWingFeather that actually makes sense because after Christine removes his mask he looks up at the chandelier (almost making an “Ah ha!” moment), then at the audience seeing that there are two police men running (1:25) and makes an escape through the trap door after cutting the rope sending the chandelier to come crashing down so I guess both ways are correct also in the song “We Have All Been Blind” Raoul, Firman , and André say “ We are certain the doors are barred, We are certain the police are there, We make certain they’re armed”
Honestly in any new production, especially a high end Broadway or London show the chandelier falling needs this level of production and terror. It was a real problem in old operas and other places due to oil and flames.
This scene is so extraordinary!! All the angles, the music, the realism. It was perfect! And by the way The Phantom is NOT a cold blooded murderer. The first time he killed was very clearly self defense, that man would have beaten or starved him to death. Buquet, the rope guy, was a scum bag. As seen in the opening he spied on the ladies dressing room. Who knows what else he did. And for all we know he struggled with The Phantom and slipped off the board. Yes, he put the rope there but he could have just been threatening Buquet to stay away from the girls. You don't know, it keeps cutting away. And Piangi probably had a heart attack. Remember "It's unhealthy in a man of Piangi's age"? But if he just went around killing people do you think he would have just dropped lightweight posters on Carlotta for 3 years? Or why bother hooking up the chandelier to fall on the stage, why not directly on the people? Think about it. The Phantom is really just misunderstood and misconceived.
No he straight up murdered Piangi and Buquet lol. In the movie Buquet is a creep but in the stage musical he’s not and just enjoys scaring the ballet girls. I feel bad for The Phantom and my heart breaks for how the world and even his own mom treated him. But that doesn’t excuse the way he treated Christine and Raoul and him murdering people. The guy from the circus deserved it obviously since he was constantly beating him for peoples “entertainment.”
So at 1:19, are we to assume that everyone not sitting on the ground floor was totally unable to see the main performers of this Opera during this apparently important love song? Wtf?
Desde el principio de la película cuando vi la escena candelabro y ver la cara tanto de Raoul como de Madame gry al verlo supe que esta escena valdria oro y estuve ansioso toda la película y al verla me dejo sin palabras.
Thus they had to change the lyrics from 'Masquerade' Original: Here's a toast to a prosperous year, to the new chandelier (the chandelier that fell in Act 1 is replaced by a new one) Movie version: Here's a toast to a prosperous year, to our friends who are here Also in the song that follows, 'Why So Silent' Phantom: "Remember there are worse things than a shattered chandelier" Original intent: a threat to chatter the chandelier again Movie version: the sole impeding threat to the chandelier
I absolutely 100% love this movie, this scene, this song. I loved the chandelier falling. This is my most favourite scene ever in the movie. I loved it. 💕💓💗💖💝💘💞
Robbie, dude, you need to keep one major thing in mind, most stuff in theaters was definitely flammable at that point. Backdrops Curtains Cushions on chairs Also sheet music is printed on very flammable paper Also lots of wooden stuff And they used gas lights at that point.
This Phantom doesnt understand the difference between "loud" and "intense". You can especially hear it in one of the other songs, on the line "Ignorant fool, this slave of passion". The OG Phantom can do intense, this guy just goes for loud.
I don't believe that most of the audience would have gotten out of the auditorium alive, let alone so quickly. I think that's the only thing that I have to suspend my belief for. The doors are locked and they open from the inside. If the doors are not anachronistic they would have also locked from the outside and had the hinges on the inside of the auditorium. Everyone ran in a panic the second the Chandelier dropped and would have all headed toward these tiny narrow doors all at once. This would have inevitably resulted in a crowd crush as people raced to the doors. This also would have resulted in people getting stuck in the doorway if they could even open them. If they were not able to open the doors (more likely) due to the sheer amount of crowding in front of the doors then most people would have been crushed and asphyxiated against the door. Those who managed to survive the crush in front of the doors would inevitably be killed within 15-20 minutes tops by smoke inhalation providing that the paint and materials on that stage and walls were non toxic (do not believe that this to be the case back in 1870). For those who managed to get out of the auditorium (maybe there are private doors in the boxes that could have been opened quicker?) they would have had to fight their way through the halls and down the staircase all at once. If there are masses of them then they likely would have crushed themselves to death in the sheer panic of trying to get out of the building. For those who were able to get downstairs, they would likely face the same issues with the doors at the entrance. Most of those opened from the inside and they would either 1. crush themselves against the doorway with no hope of being to able to open the doors or 2. gotten stuck in the doorway in the mad rush to get out. Also, there is some kind of an explosion which is either a gas explosion or possible backdraft from stagehands opening doors backstage to get out. (I would imagine like 70% of the people in the auditorium would not survive that explosion, likely anyone in the upper galleries or family circle as it would go upward). I think the stagehands had the best chance of survival and possibly the people sitting in the boxes with private entrances.
2:01- 2:11 How did the fire spread so fast? I know that the carpet was there but it shouldn't come raging up to random places in what, 10 seconds! 1:29-1:52 Also why does the chandelier shake so much? By looking at it's immense size, right at the moment Erik cut the rope, it should've just plopped right down on everyone without any alarm. But movies need those dramatic angles sooooooooooooooo... add another half a minute to that and replace it with shaking non-stop!!! Also I guess it's for the sake of getting more people out the way and saving lives, sooooooooooooooo...GOOD JOB LOYD WEBBER!
sebastian banguis my best guess for why it didn’t just go straight down is because the chandelier was raised from the stage in the beginning of the movie. So it fell to the place it was raised from
There was a chain going from the chandelier to the attic-ish-place above the stage. And it went towards the stage. And it was held up by safety things, but Erik chopped the only remaining rope, so they all snapped. That’s why it took time. Also, the rope had to go up to the ceiling and then through the attic.
If you've seen the behind the scenes, this scene is made all the more amazing when you realize they dropped an actual chandelier.
I agree. Since it destroyed the chandelier they only had one shot.
But- but- It was so shiny 😢
And it actually did catch fire
@@oblioarrow567 No!! Not that pretty chandelier!😭😢
A 1.4 ton, £60,000, handmade Swarovski cut-glass and crystal chandelier!!!
Phantom: *Has mild face burn*
Everyone else: MY GOD THE DEVIL'S CHILD!
Pfft....theather people.😂😂😂
They never met prince Zuko
Joseph McKernan. In the novel, it was not a burn but an horrible face from birth. His own mother could not watch him without a mask. Society rejected him the instant he was born.
@@MedusaLegend omfg to Zuko. 🤣👌
@@MedusaLegend Jeez what did the mom do? Was Erik born prematurely? What caused the facial deformation?
I always feel so bad for Carlotta when she finds Piangi's body. She and Piangi loved each other and Piangi was just caught in the crossfire. This is where the Phantom crossed the line
Not when he first committed murder? Really?
oh also his repeated voyeurism of an underage girl
I really think he *Only* crossed the line when he dropped a hanging buquet in front of a crowd
I would argue that he crossed multiple lines twice.
This is where he crossed the line? Not the stalking, previous murder of buquet and attempted murder in the graveyard?
I think this is one of the actual improvements from stage to screen. We don't need a big epic before intermission in a movie, so it was a good decision to save it for this moment. Great way to raise suspense right before climax. I really like this change.
One of the only good changes from stage to screen the play in itself is so much better than the movie although I love both
The Vegas version also had the chandelier drop after point of no return
At first when i saw the ending for the all i ask of you scene i was furious when they didn't drop the chandelier but then after seeing it here after point of no return i totally forgave them
I agree.
It also makes more sense as well that an incident like that, along with the massive fire it causes is what ultimately led to the Opera house most likely closing for good and then the auction all those years later.
It's a good thing that when the chandelier falls the people run away as fast as they can
A villain you can understand is a masterpiece. He was rejected since birth and never had anyone to love except Christine. So he'd do anything to feel her love and happiness
Say what you will about the movie but god the internal shots of the ceiling and the plaster being torn through is soooo well done
I agreed completely! It’s like if a heavy object such as the chandelier were to fall and crash seeing the way it comes down is almost too realistic haha but if it were to come crashing down realistically though it would sway and just drop straight down (maybe swaying along the way thanks to gravity) once all the ropes and support came loose
The ceiling ripping apart would be absolutely terrifying to see if it was right above your head I'd be freaking the f out
Not really. It’s just filmed 🤨
@@lars7282 doesn’t make it less impressive. They dropped an actual chandelier on set. None of this is CGI
The movie was perfect actually
Can I just say that they did a good job with the chandelier and the windows exploding the chaos it's so perfect
However it makes no fuckng sense as to how the chandelier actually fell. Gerard Butler simply cut a rope tied to a stage prop and eventually that rope is the only thing holding the chandelier above
@@PILOSOPAUL he sabotaged the other ropes that held it up in the film so it would fall once the last was cut.
@@alexb7065 that last rope was tied to a very light weight prop (a wooden bridge something), it's not eno7gh to hold the whole chandelier with all that weight
I love this version rather than the theatre one: bringing down the chandelier in the second act to end the theatre operation for good.
The Vegas version did that version as well
Yeah, it makes you wonder why the managers didn’t close the theater when the chandelier fell in the theater version
This is a big plus the movie has over the stage production (although the Las Vegas production has adopted it as well). The opening scene talks about "that disaster never fully explained" yet in the stage show the opera house seemed to be doing just fine afterwards even after the chandelier crashes.
@@ericnunez8254 Because it caused damage but not a full on fire!
@@distracted900 "Remember, there are worse things than a shattered chandelier." And in "Masquerade" don't they sing about a new chandelier, since it just fell on the stage and somehow everything else was fine? (Edit: Oh, other than the guy getting hanged earlier that evening in front of the whole audience, after which the show somehow went on.) I suppose a gasolier probably would cause a massive fire, although I'm not sure why the windows are exploding while we see the inside not having become a full-on inferno....
"No Meg, no. You must stay here."
*leaves her daughter in a burning building*
@Alaina Udzinski I think it's because Madame Giry didn't want Meg to be trapped in Erik's basement. But either way, she can still be easily killed both in a burning opera house, and underground.
The building seems much more on fire from the outside shot than the inside shot, though.... 🧐 (Not that the inside shot looks particularly auspicious.)
2:28-Imagine just walking by and seeing hundreds of people running out, then you look up and oH GOD THE WINDOWS ARE BURSTING OUT IN FLAMES-
Gotta give Erik credit, dude knows how to make an exit.
Who’s Erik (Jk I know it’s the phantom
1:55 Conductor told orchestra to run because they could not see what is happening outside. That guy is a hero.
Fact: original scene in the play was based on a real incident at a french opera house in which the chandelier itself didn't fall but a weight for it did and it crushed someone. Andrew Lloyd Webber thought about if the Entire chandelier had fallen instead
When I saw this scene on the stage, it was amazing! I really wasn’t expecting the chandelier to fall, it was so great in the movie and show
glittered.pencils yea it makes so much sense they changed it.
glittered.pencils when I saw it on stage I was in awe of it all. I do wisht I would have done some research before hand. The boat scene on the blue fog was amazing.
Carol Ro So true! The fog was beautiful, I loved the part where he sings wandering child, and the fire, that was amazing!
How was you not expecting that, that is one of the most iconic scenes in theatre history wether you seen the show or not!
Also was first shown in the iconic on Chaney 1925 Phantom of the Opera film version etc
So rather confused"
Fun fact: Webber's "really useful crew" is named after the cancelled Thomas the Tank Engine musical he was going to make in the 1970s. For more information, several videos exist about the musical.
I've never been the biggest fan of the 1980s style (including the drumline) that permeates so much of Phantom. That's one reason I like this scene -- it's a more timeless and orchestral arrangement (especially starting at 1:26) that dynamically captures the best of the main Phantom theme. That it runs during the most epic moment in the story is a bonus.
Most of the album is orchestral arrangement in the 80's version so rather confused!
The Phantom's deformity looking like a bad sunburn is even funnier when you question why the audience even freaks out? He's on stage on a high up platform, maybe like 10% of the people there could even see his face well enough to disturbed.
Nobody probably noticed but the way it was edited on 1:08 shows that they cut it, changed so much on his face then sped it up so no one would notice when Christine took off the Phantoms mask
Tophats and Spats no its not edited, if you watch the play it happens in the same way, it’s just make up, a very good and well made make up
@@mateussouza8040 Actually, it is edited. They put him in a smaller mask during this scene (for some stupid reason) and once the mask is ripped off, you can see that there's more disfigurement in places the mask didn't even cover.
Elijah Adams also his hair disappears 💀
Antonio Brown Yeah, the Phantom wears a wig to cover up his Alopecia
Agreed. There are very distinct changes on the side that were not present with the mask. 1:17
It's a wonderful musical. I like the Phantom of the opera.
1:59 That *" No "* was so 👌👌
I just realized she said no
I am not the biggest fan of the movie, but the chandelier falling sent shivers down my spine
It's an extremely well put together sequence in the film. Between the ropes and chains coming apart and ripping through the ceiling to the people fleeing, the fire starting, chaos everywhere... it's just very well done.
My heart is in my mouth every time I watch this movie it’s so incredible
I’ve always wondered where his hair went like when the mask is off ???
Delaney Kearns his wig went with the mask.
*questions everything I know*
*Questioning intensifies*
Delaney Kearns it’s a wig, much of Erik’s face is deformed
His wig was snatched
The way his eyes tear up just before he cuts the rope....😭😭
1:56 in the broadway show Christine misses the chandelier just in time I guess in the movie it went to the conductor lol
Fire Bros but also keep in mind that the movie vs. the musical are two very different things. In the musical it's split into two acts. He shatters the chandelier at the end of Act I. Fast forward 6 months later they purchase a new chandelier hence in "Masquerade" they say "To a prosperous year, To the new chandelier". While in the movie it's the films climax
Marrythenightgaga101 I know I was just saying I thought it was funny instead of a main character having the chandelier land at there feet the conductor a miner character has it almost hit him
In the Las Vegas production, they did the chandelier crash at the same scene, right after Christine pulls Erik’s mask off of him, he shouts, “BRING DOWN THE CHANDELIER!!!!!” And the chandelier crashes, giving him time to escape with Christine.
i loved this scene so much you have to idea
and the fact that they dropped an actual chandelier is crazyyyyy
aside from the fact that poor carlotta found piangi's body, i absolutely loved the chandelier crash and all the music and pretty much everything
it's sad that a ton of people hate or make fun of this movie, i personally think it was the best
fake news, this was *a stunt chandelier* , not the real thing which costs millions
@@盧璘壽로인수obviously.. they made like 3 different chandeliers for the movie the one that dropped was made of break away glass and was designed to snap in the middle
@@dame5079 my comment was because some of the comments in this video believe that the actual expensive af Swarovski chandelier was the one dropped
Watching this movie on New Year’s Eve my New Years tradition
By the time the face got revealed and I were there, I’d be like, “boi I’m outta there.”
1:09
It was at that moment... the show was truly over.
As big and heavy as that chandelier looked it fell kinda slow
Abandoned Adventures Well to be fair, it was ripping out the plaster/concrete from the ceiling as it went. I imagine that would put a little slack in the falling speed.
And lots and lots of pulleys chains and rigging
Bigger things have more air resistance, which makes things slower
Abandoned Adventures slow or not, a gas-lit chandelier falling is like throwing burning logs at a gas station pump
@@TzokoliT no wonder part of the Opera Populaire caught on fire!🔥🔥🔥
It’s the way she looks at him that sells this scene. Her feeling love for him knowing thats she getting ready to help take him down when all he sees in her is love. The way she tears up and her facial expressions scream im sorry for what is about to happen to you… but it must
at first i hated that his unmasked makeup wasn't as gruesome as it's described in other media, but then i realised that it's not his face thats the reason why people are screaming in horror, its because of the things he's done up to this point.
he's basically a lookscel.
Their hate for him makes him look uglier. Hate is a powerful thing
Plus the make up is worse on the stage show so people in the back can see. I guess they didn’t need to make it as bad here because we get the lovely close ups.
@@JLCosslett in the book he's literally "living death"; the 1926 movie is the closest to the original source material
saw someone on tvtropes suggest Carlotta would be a better villain for LND than what they went with, given that she lost her lover and possibly her career due to the Phantom.
Same. Meg becoming the bad guy came out of nowhere. Carlotta works so much better.
How many of us people really know about the original phantom of the opera from the 1925 movie. So you realize that in that movie, Lon Chaney actually had his face completely redone with some putty on his face near his cheeks and his mouth. His mouth was made larger by putting some wadding in it, and his nose was held to look the way that it did with some metal wires that went up past his forehead. Just watch the documentary on the phantom which is called A Phantom Unmasked, and I am sure you will be very surprised with what we all thought we had known for so long.
That’s not the original Phantom. The original Phantom of the Opera is Gaston Leroux’s 1909 novel. In the original novel Erik is entirely deformed. The 1925 silent film is the most accurate adaptation of the book, though.
And thus, the most iconic movie scene
*is born*
Next to the titanic sinking anyway
Down with the chandelier
3:11 gives me shivers every time
So one rope holds the entire chandelier?
Always_be_ You: well not exactly it is also held by multiple pllies and chains. Just wanted to clarify that. Have a great day. 😊
An earlier scene, shows him cutting (well, tossing away) all the backup and support ones. If you mean the one rope managed to keep from being torn off, it was strong enough to get through plaster and to stay attached to the chandelier, though that was it The book has him cutting the the chandelier either during or before a performance, having it land on a lady and making it seem like the cord had gotten old, frayed, and did it on its own. He was rather more subtle in the book.
He technically tampered with it earlier in the movie removing some of it's support i.e. chains ropes etc so that it was weaker. Upon cutting the rope it triggered a chain reaction so that everything would lose its support as soon as he cut it so that he could make a fast get away with Christine. Pretty smart really
Actually, the original novel was based on a real affair where the chandelier of Opera Garnier collapsed, killing a woman in the process.
What happened to the chandelier
Phantom: *mask comes off*
Me: *Gasp* Zuko!
This movie is the best movie ever
2:14 o my gosh I thought that was Christine for a second and I got so confused 😂
That is a beautiful chandelier! I got chills.
good thing they didn't actually destroy the real thing (around 2 tons, gilded, & Swarovskis) and used a stunt chandelier
This is and Labyrinth are my favorite movies ever.
My fave scene in the whole movie... he's pleading with her 😢
This is why you never get inside a chandelier in an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical. Looking at you Grizabella.
The Chandelier crash works much better here than it does in the play.
Right I feel like everyone was so chill and carried on in the play after the chandelier fell
WOW I LOVE IT
- Hey! What are you listen to?
- Umm... Its complicated...
*Actually has the studio version of the crash*
I watched this in my theater class and I knew he was going to do this since the beginning despite never seeing this movie. The movie practaclly told us in the beginning and since then I was just waiting for this thinking "Just do it already!"
I've always loved music and this is proof of it. One thing that I always think when the one owner says that they are ruined I'm thinking yeah because you failed to listen to the Phantom of the Opera this is what you get. Over all I could listen to the music from this all day long
this is literally my theatre class
Opera scream 1:51 has me crying.
Im just wondering how much of this he planned? I wouldn't think he planned for Christine to take off his mask and for him to drop the chandelier, as it destroyed the entire operahouse, and I wouldn't think he would want the opera house destroyed. But right before Don Juan Triumphant, he deliberately set fire to his model of the opera house auditorium, so that makes me think he planned it. And even if he did plan dropping the chandelier, what was he going to do after that?
The Phantom was a mastermind of the Opera House and knew every nook and cranny of it considering he lived in it from when he was a kid until adulthood. Cut to an earlier scene it shows him removing all the support to the chandelier the ropes pulleys etc. so I don’t think he was entirely thinking that Christine would remove his mask but just on the off chance ( I suppose) he had to make a get away with her when and if she did. So upon cutting the rope it sent a chain reaction in the ceiling causing the chandelier to come crashing down. As for the Opera House burning down I haven’t an explanation for that lol possibly revenge for all those that shut him out and made him feel like a monster and the House was also owned by new management that the Phantom didn’t take to kindly to them for not following his orders
I might not know as much about this as you, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but would it seem more likely that what the Phantom prepared for was not Christine removing his mask, but the owners of the opera calling the police? To me it seemed like there were two constables positioned in the wings on either side, so he couldn’t escape those ways. He had already made it clear that Christine was his hostage, so it’s reasonable to assume that there would be some police involvement. What better way to escape a full brigade than to give them another problem to deal with?
@@SkyWingFeather yeah, having to summon the Paris Fire Department!
@@SkyWingFeather that actually makes sense because after Christine removes his mask he looks up at the chandelier (almost making an “Ah ha!” moment), then at the audience seeing that there are two police men running (1:25) and makes an escape through the trap door after cutting the rope sending the chandelier to come crashing down so I guess both ways are correct also in the song “We Have All Been Blind” Raoul, Firman , and André say “ We are certain the doors are barred, We are certain the police are there, We make certain they’re armed”
No one can change my mind that the phantom cutting the rope and dropping down from the trapdoor is the best scene
I would’ve run as soon as I heard that chandelier trembling a bit
Honestly in any new production, especially a high end Broadway or London show the chandelier falling needs this level of production and terror. It was a real problem in old operas and other places due to oil and flames.
This scene is so extraordinary!! All the angles, the music, the realism. It was perfect!
And by the way The Phantom is NOT a cold blooded murderer. The first time he killed was very clearly self defense, that man would have beaten or starved him to death.
Buquet, the rope guy, was a scum bag. As seen in the opening he spied on the ladies dressing room. Who knows what else he did. And for all we know he struggled with The Phantom and slipped off the board. Yes, he put the rope there but he could have just been threatening Buquet to stay away from the girls. You don't know, it keeps cutting away.
And Piangi probably had a heart attack. Remember "It's unhealthy in a man of Piangi's age"? But if he just went around killing people do you think he would have just dropped lightweight posters on Carlotta for 3 years? Or why bother hooking up the chandelier to fall on the stage, why not directly on the people?
Think about it. The Phantom is really just misunderstood and misconceived.
Yeah but let’s not forget the phantom literally has been spying on Christine in the dressing room for a long time too 💀
No he straight up murdered Piangi and Buquet lol. In the movie Buquet is a creep but in the stage musical he’s not and just enjoys scaring the ballet girls. I feel bad for The Phantom and my heart breaks for how the world and even his own mom treated him. But that doesn’t excuse the way he treated Christine and Raoul and him murdering people. The guy from the circus deserved it obviously since he was constantly beating him for peoples “entertainment.”
I'm wearing a phantom shirt right now. Wow it wasnt planned either lol
Death looks gorgeous.
Raoul: well, the theater's on fire so I'll just hop down the rope into the burning fire instead of taking the normal way out!
He was going to the same stage where Christine and the Ghost escaped to follow them.
I love this scene
So at 1:19, are we to assume that everyone not sitting on the ground floor was totally unable to see the main performers of this Opera during this apparently important love song? Wtf?
Loved the roof interior shots showing the chain busting through. Miniature work? Great full scale chandelier crash. Editing a little hectic.
This is my favourite movie and my favourite scene though out the movie i just don't know why
I love musicals like Camelot but this one projects onto my life
honestly, a redub with people who can actually sing and boom, this is honestly a perfectly acceptable film adaptation of the play.
MRtoast firmly disagree. Emmy did and awesome job
Even chandelier moving it’s on fire
Desde el principio de la película cuando vi la escena candelabro y ver la cara tanto de Raoul como de Madame gry al verlo supe que esta escena valdria oro y estuve ansioso toda la película y al verla me dejo sin palabras.
I have always wondered what happened with La Carlotta 🧐
same
I think in the book she returned to Italy and started performing there. If I remember correctly she never remarried.
@@Endonia-ym3sl Thanks for that :)
@@aldl5871 no problem👍
@@Endonia-ym3sl I always felt bad for her. She wasn't a great person, but even then somebody could get to the warm spot in her heart.
Just that I understand: In the film they transferred the chandalier scene from Act 1 to Act 2?
Yes, exactly
Thus they had to change the lyrics from 'Masquerade'
Original: Here's a toast to a prosperous year, to the new chandelier (the chandelier that fell in Act 1 is replaced by a new one)
Movie version: Here's a toast to a prosperous year, to our friends who are here
Also in the song that follows, 'Why So Silent'
Phantom: "Remember there are worse things than a shattered chandelier"
Original intent: a threat to chatter the chandelier again
Movie version: the sole impeding threat to the chandelier
I absolutely 100% love this movie, this scene, this song. I loved the chandelier falling. This is my most favourite scene ever in the movie. I loved it. 💕💓💗💖💝💘💞
I hope the conductor dude was ok :,(
Oh crikey, that is one incredibly quick spreading fire.
Robbie, dude, you need to keep one major thing in mind, most stuff in theaters was definitely flammable at that point.
Backdrops
Curtains
Cushions on chairs
Also sheet music is printed on very flammable paper
Also lots of wooden stuff
And they used gas lights at that point.
He has a great voice
I’m only here because of Fran Lebowitz’ story on Pretend It’s a City 🌚
Christine removes Phantom's mask
Phantom: So anyway I just started swinging!
1:10 the policeman sees the scarred face and his immediate reaction is to shoot it 😂
Typical police behaviour lol
Magnificent
Ngl i kinda feel bad for Carlotta
What a waste of a beautiful and elaborate Opera House
This is just terrifying. However the Phantom looks like Alec Trevelyan after the Goldeneye pre title sequence with the scars
To me Brendan Fraser with the Scars.😄😄😄
True story the chandelier crashing noise was the actual sound from the real chandelier crashing in Paris.
source please
You shouldn’t disrespect someone just because they look different
The Phantom not only looked different... He had committed several murders and had the domain of the Opera house under threat and blackmail.
The phantom was so misunderstood…
Mh heart just shatters for him 💔
@@kyrakarpinski5726 same 💔
This Phantom doesnt understand the difference between "loud" and "intense". You can especially hear it in one of the other songs, on the line "Ignorant fool, this slave of passion". The OG Phantom can do intense, this guy just goes for loud.
I don’t know what it is, but something about this scene reminds me of the Titanic sinking
yup
It’s at 1:28 It looks like when Jack grabs Rose
yeah and the beginning reminds me of when rose tells her story
The Phantom is exceedingly handsome
I don't understand how people in the back row saw his face or even the front row because of how high up they were
que lampara mas hermosa
How can Someone film this scene and have not A SINGLE money shot in it? Wow
the fact Gerard butler didn't know he could sing
I don't believe that most of the audience would have gotten out of the auditorium alive, let alone so quickly. I think that's the only thing that I have to suspend my belief for. The doors are locked and they open from the inside. If the doors are not anachronistic they would have also locked from the outside and had the hinges on the inside of the auditorium.
Everyone ran in a panic the second the Chandelier dropped and would have all headed toward these tiny narrow doors all at once. This would have inevitably resulted in a crowd crush as people raced to the doors. This also would have resulted in people getting stuck in the doorway if they could even open them. If they were not able to open the doors (more likely) due to the sheer amount of crowding in front of the doors then most people would have been crushed and asphyxiated against the door. Those who managed to survive the crush in front of the doors would inevitably be killed within 15-20 minutes tops by smoke inhalation providing that the paint and materials on that stage and walls were non toxic (do not believe that this to be the case back in 1870).
For those who managed to get out of the auditorium (maybe there are private doors in the boxes that could have been opened quicker?) they would have had to fight their way through the halls and down the staircase all at once. If there are masses of them then they likely would have crushed themselves to death in the sheer panic of trying to get out of the building. For those who were able to get downstairs, they would likely face the same issues with the doors at the entrance. Most of those opened from the inside and they would either 1. crush themselves against the doorway with no hope of being to able to open the doors or 2. gotten stuck in the doorway in the mad rush to get out.
Also, there is some kind of an explosion which is either a gas explosion or possible backdraft from stagehands opening doors backstage to get out. (I would imagine like 70% of the people in the auditorium would not survive that explosion, likely anyone in the upper galleries or family circle as it would go upward).
I think the stagehands had the best chance of survival and possibly the people sitting in the boxes with private entrances.
I got the dvd
2:01- 2:11
How did the fire spread so fast?
I know that the carpet was there but it shouldn't come raging up to random places in what, 10 seconds!
1:29-1:52
Also why does the chandelier shake so much? By looking at it's immense size, right at the moment Erik cut the rope, it should've just plopped right down on everyone without any alarm. But movies need those dramatic angles sooooooooooooooo... add another half a minute to that and replace it with shaking non-stop!!! Also I guess it's for the sake of getting more people out the way and saving lives, sooooooooooooooo...GOOD JOB LOYD WEBBER!
But there was also a chain running through the whole theater to get up the roof
sebastian banguis my best guess for why it didn’t just go straight down is because the chandelier was raised from the stage in the beginning of the movie. So it fell to the place it was raised from
@@matthewmooradian121 Exactly
It was raised from the stage so it fell where it came from
There was a chain going from the chandelier to the attic-ish-place above the stage. And it went towards the stage. And it was held up by safety things, but Erik chopped the only remaining rope, so they all snapped. That’s why it took time. Also, the rope had to go up to the ceiling and then through the attic.
Tbh, I kinda feel sorry for Carlotta in this scene...
What instrument is playing the melody when the chandelier is falling?
Tuba? Maybe
I wish we could have seen more of the chandelier after it fell but Ik they extinguished the fire right after it fell when they filmed it
I love this scene but you kind of feel bad for Carlotta she did lose her lover… however he was t exactly a decent person…
it made me cry couse i thought it would kill christine
I wish there’s English for the hearing impaired subtitles for this scene