INTRO Yamaha R7 Project: First Encounter with the 2022 Model Ep 1
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- INTRO: full video here davemosstuning...
23 years ago Yamaha unleashed their YZF-R7 on the world, a 750cc inline 4 cylinder superbike. They only produced & sold 500, the number required to qualify it for the World Superbike Championship. This summer Yamaha reincarnated the R7. Whether it's a "higher form" of the old remains to be seen; it's down 2 cylinders and 60cc's (kind of like being Michael Jordan and coming back as Steve Kerr). With a limit of 1 per dealership, it sure feels like they made less than 500, so it's got exclusivity going for it.
Episode 2: Stock Ergos, Hand & Foot Controls Setup • INTRO Yamaha R7 Projec...
Episode 3: Stock Suspension Street/Road Setup • INTRO Yamaha R7 Projec...
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finally a detailed, close up review of this bike. Great work as always Dave!
agreed mate
Thanks for posting this Dave. I've had my new R7 for two weeks... Lots of rain... but got through my break-in miles a couple of days ago. You give me the sense that I've learned a thing or two from you over the years. I've done pretty much what you covered in this video already, and encountered the same observations on adjustment limitations as you show on the bike.
I'm pushing the limits on what the R7 stock suspension can carry at 250lbs. I cranked a bunch of preload front and back and am sitting at 36mm front rider sag and 34mm at the rear... slightly forward bias intended for track. With all the preload, I'm running into limits of free sag being almost gone, and damping forces that aren't exactly up to the task of controlling the extra spring strength from all the preload. The rebound adjuster on the shock I have only a half turn out from closed. The rebound adjuster on the fork I have only 1 click out from fully closed as well. I adjusted the compression damping on the fork to 6 clicks out from closed to match the movement of the rear as much as possible. The front and rear of the bike move together pretty well. Free sag on the front is ok, but rear free sag is almost gone.
Its taken a little time riding my R7 to at least figure out what I am starting with to a certain degree, and I plan to visit friends at Traxxion Dynamics soon to beef up the suspension, so my heavy weight is a bit more nominal to what some new hardware can handle.
Thanks for all you do, Dave. You're helping folks not only ride better, but folks are safer too.
Great work! As you set sag, also verify fork travel used. I plan on changing fork position to raise the front 5mm to see how that geometry works given the soft forks specifically for braking stability.
@@catalystreactionsbw Ok thanks, Dave. I will use a zip tie to figure the travel used when I am riding it more. Life is full with other things at the same time I'm trying to work through this. Gonna look at joining your website this weekend. Perfect timing that you are also trying to figure out an R7!
@@EnjoyTheRideMC The right time always makes itself know, and it will arrive :) Thanks for considering a subscription to DMT's Total Access. There is no shortage of content.
@@catalystreactionsbw I joined your website last night with the 1 year premium subscription. Wow, you are not kidding, as there is a lot there to go through.
Even though I've been at this motorcycle thing for nearly 30 years, and am a coach myself, I'm very much looking forward to connecting more of the dots in my understanding with your help, Dave.
Thanks for doing all this. Now lets hear more about your R7 project! :D
@@EnjoyTheRideMC Thanks for supporting my work and subscribing. Please take one topic at a time using the search box! R7 project gets more attention this week :)
Dave make motorcycle ergonomics looks so simple. I'm jealous ...
I love your attention to details and the fact that you ALWAYS take into account that riders are different. Personnaly, I love Yamaha for making bikes that even us smaller people can ride comfortably. The saddle on this bike looks pretty similar to the one on my previous MT-07 (or FZ-07 in the US) - and I absolutely loved it! It made it easy for me to mount the bike and maintain control when standing over it, and while riding I could slide back and enjoy the wider comfortable part of the saddle. So many brands could learn from this, but they choose not to. But, as you also point out - lever adjustments are rubbish. This goes for more brands, I know. What I don´t like about the Yamaha´s are all the "afterthought" bits, like the shifter rod on this one and the brake fluid reservoir (this, I would bend to fit, or replace with clear plastic tube). And if you give it the smallest opportunity, any part on the Yammie will rust. But they still come up with a lot of innovative stuff, and make bikes that are a lot of fun for most riders.
Anyways, thanks for scrutinising this bike - your opinion matters almost more than my own ;)
Just because I just got off my bike I gotta tell you, did the remote session with Mr moss (VA native), im 5'4" 120lbs and my 11' R1 is now so light and nimble yet holds up to aggressive street riding holds its line in corners weight transfer is perfect zip tie in the perfect position and just everything you could ever want in a steed he gave it to me. This gentleman is God's gift to motorcyclists. If you're on the fence about doing this remote or not sure if it's worth it, 1000% the best money I've ever spent on any of my many street and dirt bikes ever... Ever!! I'll never own another bike that's not Dave Moss tuned again
Thanks for sharing your experience with others Chris. I really appreciate that and thanks for the opportunity to Remote Tune with you!
@@catalystreactionsbw it was my pleasure for sure
Great detailed overview of the R7 👍 I have ordered a Blue one expected delivery for October in the UK. The design of this bike looks awesome I like the sharp aerodynamic looks and it really does look good in Black.
Congrats on the purchase. Stay tuned as we go through the bike after the 600 mile service.
Just saw your van at chick fil a!!
.... and you didn't stop to say hi? Lol..... quick lunch stop before tackling a GS800 just around the corner :)
I got to talk with you on Sunday at the track. You were really putting those hypersport tires through their paces. I wish the brakes on the trash or treasure gsxr 750 were working better for you, but I respect the commitment to try your hardest to make a completely even playing field for the tires.
It was a surprise to ride the Trash or Treasure GSXR with brake fluid being 6,000 miles old and have the lever come to the bar - yes, it was a brand new master from the Factory recall that had never been done. I do try my best to be as consistent as possible to give a very fair and unbiased opinion. Thanks for stopping by, chatting and for your comment today!
My new F3 came with 4mm of static sag and was really hard for me to ride. Had Neil at Parkitt Racing set it up for me and it now rides like a dream. Can't understand why dealers don't offer to set the bike up when you buy it from them. Great video as always
makes you wonder why the dealer is there at all
Because they are lacking staff as knowledgeable as Dave, plus they don't want to go in the wrong direction with the setup. Also they try to save time, to be able to deal with other important things in their schedule.
Why do it for free when they can let you neglect suspension setup while you're excited about the new bike then pay for that service down the road. Plus there's a difference between knowing how to fix broken stuff and knowing how optimize a bike for a specific rider.
@@FELiPES101 dealership experience is terrible, they know nothing, sales people just collect free money and the techs are hacks
Agree. We used to set sag free on mountain bikes for customers, pretty easy. Motorbike shops are getting more like Asda, nice staff but lack knowledge.
I was waiting for this video! Picked up my R7 in Los Angeles and rode up to San Jose for MotoAmerica the other weekend. Everything in this video explained my experience. My wrists were(are) killing me. My left knee is bad but I’ve never had any problems riding and now it definitely starts to kill me especially on the longer rides. I have to constantly stretch. The suspension at stock seemed to buck me a lot and was very soft. I’m 5’6 and 215 pounds. Ended up tuning my suspension the other day the best I could. Did 30mm sag front and rear. Feels MUCH better but I know it can perfected more. You tuned my R6 a few years ago and I was hoping to acquire your services again but it doesn’t seem like you’re around Los Angeles at all =(
We can schedule a Remote Tune so we can change the suspension at your house via video.
How is the R7 compared to the R6? in terms of engine heat, ergonomics an suspension? From your pov. Thanks
@@Brian_R6 engine heat is definitely less of a problem. I remember my R6 turned off on me while lane splitting once cuz it got too hot. I haven’t had an issue with the R7. Ergonomics need some work depending on the rider most likely. The R6 I never had to switch anything. I ended up turning out the bars just a bit and dropped my levers as much as I could and my wrists don’t hurt anymore and I’m MUCH more comfortable now. Crazy how big of a difference a small adjustment can make. The brake lever is definitely a problem for adjustment since you’re very limited in how far u can lower it. Suspension is by far way better than the R6 out the gate simply due to the adjustment options. However it’s a very interesting setup since the front is a bit soft and the rear is pretty damn stiff. I’m still adjusting to find my right setup but I ride 100-200 miles a day for work and it’s pretty damn comfortable. Especially the seat. I rode my R6 to Julian which is a 300mile round trip and that trip was killing my back. Even with that 900mile round trip and all my daily miles I haven’t experienced any back pains with the R7. I feel that slight degree difference from the R6 makes it much more enjoyable ride. Overall I don’t regret the purchase and I’m full enjoying the bike. I think it’s worth it and much more comfortable and fun than a R6 to commute on.
@@nicholasaguirre1661 awesome man I appriciate the info. I'm planning on getting the MT07 which will be a huge comfort difference. I just was curious about the difference between the R6 an R7
Wow so interesting great work Dave
Me: Going to sleep
Dave: R7 review
Me: O fck ... that gonna be best R7 video seen yet
Me: Yes it is
good luck getting that kickstand down.. wtg yamaha...
So informative Dave, thanks.
OMG talk about POGO!!! lol I'd hate to ride that with showroom floor settings on these Michigan roads! hahaha
Very detailed well done!
I remember the "real" inline 4-R7, that was on the floor when I worked in that area of the industry.
Amazing explanation
I was fortunate enough to ride one for two days with YCRS. It wasn’t a bad little bike and gave me nostalgia having to blip my own gears.
As a training bike I have no doubt it is incredible being so light and easy to move around. It is very welcoming to any rider and it felt so small to me coming off an RSV4R. This iteration is an interesting fork in the road for Yamaha to "adopt" the twins bike and put R6 type fairings on it. I am curious to see if riders go for the sport bike look or if indeed, that type of motorcycle will truly evaporate from dealer showrooms in the next 5 years.
@@catalystreactionsbw new riders always choose the sporty option. Lucky for them, this one isn’t the typical rev happy supersport with loads of power that they will “have to lay down”. I’m glad they made the R7. Great price point and will hopefully get a lot of new riders into the sport. I wouldn’t buy one myself, but I did enjoy riding it.
@@foolspeedahead I've been waiting for about 12 years for a new supersport twin. I rode a TL1000R for almost 20 years, expecting a new middleweight supersport twin to appear out of the SV650S, and it never materialized. I put in my preorder for a blue R7 on Yamaha's website about 15 minutes after it went live. I found out from Yamaha(in conversations about shipping damage to mine) that they sent 150 preorder units to the USA, and they were all gone in just over 8 hours.
@@EnjoyTheRideMC congrats! I can vouch that you won’t be let down. I had way more fun on the R7 than I thought I would and I was already expecting to have a lot of fun on it.
If they would've just called it M7 or MT-07R, nobody would have batted an eye. Instead they re-used the old YZF-R7 label and everyone lost their shit, because nostalgia.
The clutch is adjustable.
That how i be feeling with a size 13 boot lmaoo
I have an R25 I keep wondering what's that thing sticking out below the foot peg now I know what's it for
For the taller people what can we do to help with ergonomics on the handlebars and grips? Or we don't have any options?
You can raise the seat height with memory foam by 2-3 inches. The you can install "drop down" pegs that are .5 to 1" lower than stock. Lastly, you can change your handlebars to give you the right reach from seat to bar. All very cost effective with huge ROI.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you for the quick response! I'll definitely look into those options. Love the channel. I am upgrading from a CBR 125 to a Yamaha R7 (Arrives in July)
@@LuckyOctober You will get the seat enhanced immediately along with 15w oil in the forks for much better damping. Take time to get the shifter in the right position and consider purchasing just a shifter that uses the OEM rear sets so that you can adjust angle and distance for your shoe size. If you want to watch the entire R7 series, spend the $9.99 for one month of viewing on my website. This is the ergonomics and foot controls video link th-cam.com/video/ofSBFDM5ydM/w-d-xo.html
Let's not forget, the old r7 was never built for us bikers really, it was only built so that they could use it to compete in racing hence very few built. The new r7 is designed with us as customers in mind, yep I know it only has the cp2 engine but that keeps manufacturing costs down due to re-use and the saving gets passed down to us. Ive already ordered mine but as its in the uk it won't be until October, when it rains 😒
They F it up
Do you think the brake lever is higher because it's designed to be operated more in a partial tuck position for aggressive riding? It would suck for street riding if the angle is too high for sure.
If you study median heights for all races globally, spines are generally shorter so arm angle is slightly flatter. As there is some range of movement, there is the possibility ot getting it right. IMHO the angle needs to be set where we are in a crisis situation where time is limited so movement to the brake is quick so you can respond to the crisis not react to it.
@@catalystreactionsbw That makes sense.. the brake lever does appear abnormally high on that bike for some reason. I actually wanted to lower the clutch lever on my bike but I actually couldn't because doing so would make my clutch hit the traction control switches (RSV4). Once it points down, there's a chance the lever hits the (-) switch and holding it down would disable TC altogether. Unless I rotated the entire left switchgear with it, but it wasn't obvious how to do it.
@@garylai363 I have the same bike and had same problem. The only resolution is to drill a new locating hole to relocate the housing downward. Simple and easy to do.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks Dave but that’s more than I want to mess with it. I’ll just suffer the slightly sub optimal position. It’s not ideal but it’s not horrible. At least there’s a quickshifter so the clutch doesn’t see much action. Love the content btw!
In the USA you can have any color of bike that you want, so long as it's black.
It is the perfect bike for people who want easy access to a reasonable amount of horsepower on public roads in countries without an Autobahn.
I have a doubt: if we're measuring total fork length from the end of the anodised/outer/top tube, to the end of the chrome/bottom tube, and marking bottom out accordingly, wouldn't that give us a false zip tie read considering the dust/fork seal? In that case, should we be measuring total travel, sag, bottom out etc taking the dust seal into account? I've wondered about this for quite a while, would be lovely to hear the boss man chime in :)
Excellent question. I started measuring from the bottom of the dust seal and found that did not work, then changed to the tube. So far with accurate data on travel, this method has worked. There have been a couple of instances (RS660 being one) where the data and actual have not matched. The big issue is making sure the forks are fully extended for accuracy.
@@catalystreactionsbw the reason I ask is because when doing a zip tie read, it is pushed down by the dust seal, which is about 5-8mm, maybe 10mm. Now, say, fully extended your forks are @130mm (tube end to tube end) with 110mm of travel and you mark bottom out at 20mm from the end of the chrome tube. But if your zip tie hits the 20mm mark, does that not mean that you still have the dust seal width to account for?
Also, why did it not work, measuring from the bottom of the dust seal?
Dave just to tell a story,my friend bought z900 in germany new,and the dealer did ask him for his body weight and then he did work something with suspension,probably with preload.
So when buying new bikes the dealer should do basic setup?
ye ofc... fewest caucasians got the body of a jockey and the weight is up (lever principle) so it is useful to adapt ur personal bike that u don't pogo thru corners or do the superman ;)
34/38 is better? Why is that, thx 😊
In regards to pressures, we go off the sticker on the bike or the data on the sidewall. I go to a third level and look at the carcass - is it soft or hard? Soft = more pressure, Hard = less. For those that want to experiment, 34-38 is a good range to start with and in this case with a soft carcass rear, that was the starting point.
MT07RR
hey does somebody know if you can change the r7 stock supension forks with gold ones???
Not sure what you are asking with "gold ones" ?
should I go 34 front 38 rear or go 36/42? 🤔 Tire PSI?
All depends on your weight and type of use so it is time for you to test stock and alternate. If you feel all the bumps in the road try 34/38. Is the bike more comfortable? If so, that was a worthwhile change.
I'm pretty sure it's a 2021 model. Considering it's not 2022 yet and the bike is for sale in 2021.
looks like to me, you never bought a new KTM :)
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. I bought the bike like any regular person. For some reason nobody gives us press bikes or invites us to press launches (we've only had 2 press bikes over the past 15 years). The Yamaha Finance Corp contracts and California registration docs all say 2022 model year.
Roy. Google 2021 R7. What comes up?
“In mid 2021, Yamaha announced its new R7 (or YZF-R7) with a 2022 model year.”
Yamaha R7 compares MV Agusta F3 and Triumph Daytona 765. Old Yamaha R7 is better than New Version.
Yamaha should have call the new YZF-R7 the "YZT-R7" or "YZT-7R" just to give it a unique defining name.
@@davidabad173 Well if you are naming a new motorcycle after a prod race bike, then you better put out one hell of a machine. But yes Yamaha should have dropped the YZF and the R7 works. I still think Yamaha could have made the motor's output around 80 - 85hp.
@@davidabad173 Yes I have see what tuners can do with CP2 engine, there are a couple of guys running them in Moto America Twins class. I still think Yamaha wanted to compete with the RS660 and KTM is going to put out in 2022, they should have made the R7 put out more power or put it on a diet and lost 30 - 40lbs.
@@davidabad173
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF-R7
th-cam.com/video/QmzUy3VXMrQ/w-d-xo.html
@@davidabad173 One day I hope to the R7 and RS660, waiting to see what KTM is going to bring out 2022.
@@davidabad173 Yes I did and that is a machine! I heard it sold out in less then an hour and you had to have a racing resume to even place your order ( That's what my local KTM dealer told me:/ ).
I was hoping that KTM would come out with the RC790 or RC890, but now that they have disconnected 790 waiting to see what they come out with. KTM has a hole in there line-up, they need to come out with a 600cc or 700cc Duke / RC street moto.
Absolutely Awesome. So Happy for you @DaveMoss and @DaveWilliams Wow... lol. Very nice Sir's. Sweet. Good for You.
You forgot the most important non-adjustable thing on the motorcycle it's too damn slow.... waiting for a R9
Why wait for an R9 when you already have the R1 lol?
@@FlameHazeist Yamaha need something between the R7 in the R1 r9 with about 130 horsepower with about 440 lb would be a good bike
@@marktarascio3321 440 lbs is still too heavy. Needs to be 350 lbs and then it will be a huge success... Otherwise 1000 cc all day 😉.
@@davidabad173 600 cc superbikes are too heavy to be worth getting. 450 lbs/200 hp/80 lb-ft is a much more attractive option.
@@davidabad173 Finally a test ride to show you how slow this motorcycle is. Look up yammie noob test of the R7 and watch it try to catch up with traffic at 70 miles an hour and runs out of ramp
You forgot that the ergos for a sport bike is tucked in smh they didnt consider the ergos for street use
But they literally made this bike to appeal to street riders lol
I don't know, those handle bars just don't look right.
How so??
6:05 to all U haters xD
Real question, who is the target buyer for this bike at this price? Can't understand what is the appeal of a low power supersport... wouldn't you just buy a ninja 400 instead?
As sport bike looks fade away, it will appeal to those that like that type of look and can use vinyl etc to ad graphics. The low horsepower is appealing to many 1-3 year riders that are taking their time learning.
@@davidabad173sorry, I don't understand what you're saying... There is velocity rate average vs price ... What you wrote doesn't make any sense to me. If you plot the performance to cost on a graph the r7 is very high price for the low performance.
@@catalystreactionsbw This is exactly why I'm interested in this bike as a new rider.
Well that's a stupid question 😂
All the new supposid supersport bikes are just let downs and too nerdy.
78 hp ? its a joke
🤮 suspension
Just buy a R1 and can't see why Yamaha brought this out. Click bate title.
@@davidabad173 Well the R6 then, I still don't see the point of a cheap 750 when a R6 or R1 would be a better bike with better suspension, with lots of aftermarket bits available.
Cannot stand the sound of it, it's like a ciao
agreed, it'll need a full exhaust system and even then it's gonna sound more like a Moto3 bike than a proper supersport machine.
a cheap model of an R6
@@davidabad173 I thought it was a different bike
Bag of crap let's be honest, should of done it right and developed a inline 4 and maybe a fancy 5 valve head like my FZ750. But they just want to make quick money and aren't interested in developing new engines
😂😂😂