Black Bear Pass, July 2020, Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 4x4, offroad, GoPro 8 Black
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2020
- On the way to Moab last month a group of us detoured through Ouray to hit Black Bear and Imogene. Beautiful scenery as expected in the San Juan Mountains. I had some video camera issues and lost some footage that would have been neat, but still had a great time!
Still have lots of video to go through from the trip so stay tuned!
Mods:
-Rocky Road Super Sliders (rock rails)
-Dobinsons KL Trailhawk suspension lift, paired with partial Hazard Sky lift spacers to achieve 2.5" lift
-32" Milestar Patagonia MTs (265/70/17) (had to trim front fenders and pinch welds)
-40" Rough Country Curved LED DLR Light bar with Hazard Sky mounts
-Rock Lights (cheapo)
-4" Pod Lights (cheapo)
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I ran Black Bear on July 25th for the first time, after several days of continuing rain showers. What a ride! Your video did a great job at capturing how treacherous the trail felt in certain spots!
It was supposed to rain the day we went (the day after you did), but the weather cleared right up and it was beautiful!
That high resolution footage really shows how rough the trail actually is. Great camera work!
Thanks! Sadly there were severalreally cool angles i wanted to get but it just didn't work out logistically. Next time!
@Fearless Trailhawk As much as I enjoy the great content that TH-camrs put out sometimes it’s necessary to put the camera down and just be there.
@@oldyeller9849 agreed, thats why much of the stuff i capture is on 'passive' cameras that i don't have to babysit. I also do a LOT of destination hiking trips all over, amd almost never have a camera (other than phone).
BEST camera work I have ever seen done on Black Bear! AWESOME! (I sure would like to take my Hawk on the next trip!)
Thanks man! And there were some angles i really wanted, but just didn't happen! But i was glad i had my brother along to get some of the exterior stuff, and PICTURES!
@@FearlessTrailhawk just got done with Ohpir and Imogene. Got rails , 2 in lift but stock tires. Doable?
@@rreif01 air down and pay attention to the road and you'll be fine.
I'm debating getting a trailhawk. Thanks for putting this thing through the ringer! It's great to see that these things are super capable offroad. Black bear and Imogene are in my back yard and I know it's takes some guts!
2023 is the last year for the Cherokee Trailhawk. Our first was a 2017 V-6 3.2. Our second is now a 2023 with the 2.0 turbo--no crazy paper cartridge oil filter anymore!
Dang gorgeous, but there's an inherent pucker factor for some of that trail. Love these videos though, love seeing what the Trailhawk can do.
It's funny to see the sheep looking both ways before they cross ...
You inspired me to get me a Trailhawk. Now, I need to get out there...Great job.
Thanks man! Glad to hear it! I'm going to start adding up how many people got THs because of me...
Thank you brotha I thought Utah had some beautiful trails I am defiantly putting this one on the list thanks for the great video!!
Superb driving and scenic one!
I'll sound like everyone else when I say .... WOW! Excellent video!!
I was there and ran it on July 23rd. Had the trail pretty much to myself.
I was by myself, no spotter, it started sleeting just before I hit the steps and I was in an almost stock Tacoma. I'll be back next year!
That would have made me super nervous! Thanks for the compliment!
Awesome views. Great video. Thanks again
Thanks dude!
Was going to do these trails this year but "2020" decided to do its thing. Summer of 2021 can't come fast enough, I can't wait. Nice video.
Yeah, so many plans got buggered. But we were going on this trip regardless...
What? You didn't need disconnecting sway bars, a 6 inch lift and 42 inch tires to do that trail? Amazing!
Right?
Best shots I have seen of this trail. Nice camera work.
Thanks a lot man! And to think we had some really cool shots planned but wasn't able to execute them logistically. Maybe next time!
Excellent video! One of my favorites of yours! Keep it up buddy!
Thanks man!
Super impressive!
I think this is one of the better Black Bear vids I’ve seen 🤙🏼 Awesome!
Thanks! There was soo much footage i wished we had gotten. Maybe next time!
@@FearlessTrailhawk slighlty separate topic from this, but how is the ride quality of your rig with the addition of lift and bigger tire? Did you notice a big difference in that or MPG? I spend so many miles on highway between work and getting to these awesome trails; kind of why I dig the crossover Jeeps the most. Comfort + Capability
Great job! You had me nervous sliding down the steps.
GoPros make things look a lot flatter than they are, but that section at 9:22 would have me wondering how much it would cost to airlift my vehicle out of there. Great job, and camera work.
Thanks man! Its kinda intimidating looking at it, but once you start down it its actually much wider than it looks!
Beautiful footage!
It is an amazing place! Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing video!! Great job.
Thanks!
I am sucked into these videos. I didnt know the Cherokees were so capable. Been building my WK2. Loving the content.
Thanks man! They do turn a lot of heads for sure! You'll enjoy the WK2!
AWESOME JEEP DECALS!!! EBAY HAS MANY COOL “JEEP DECALS”
My Jeep says “JEEP” all over every side of it
I do like me some stickers!
Yessiree Bob, spectacular scenery, indeed. Rocky and rough shelf roads that lean outward toward high drops are not my cup of tea. Was uncomfortable when a Wranglers' rear driverside wheel slid a little to the side, yikes. Thanks for posting a great adventure.
There really is a LOT more room than it appears, but yeah, when you start to lean TOWARDS the cliff edge it freaks a lot of people out. This trail is more of mental challenge, but i'd 100% do it again if the opportunity arose!
@@FearlessTrailhawk When someone offers an aftermarket ejection seat with parachute, after installation, I may be more inclined to try such trails. LOL
Amazing views!
Very yes!
Very nice movie, i like it. Greetings from the Netherlands
Thanks man!
That cherokee flopped its way through the trail pretty good.
Love the still pictures, you should have grabbed one at 1:30 with the waterfalls. :)
10:15 You have a lot of room on the driver. GOOD! (eek!)
When she said that, mentally i was like EXACTLY THE PLAN! The waterfalls didn't picture as well as we had hoped.
Very impressive!👋😎👍
Thank you!
"you've got lots of room on the driver"
Yeah, like a few thousand feet! 😳
Right!
Loved black bear pass, dude did it about 5 days ago. The camera doesn't do justice to just how scary the off camber steps before the switchbacks are. People always talk about the switch backs, but honestly they were cake walk. While the crawling and rocks were honestly more technical on engineer pass and poughkeepsie gulch were more technical, the giant drop off of black bar was much scarier. Flopping isn't as scary when it isn't paired with certain death. I did them all in a stock XJ with front and rear lockers.
Yep, its a mental trail more than anything. Though last year we had a guy completely freeze up near the top of Engineer...that was a fun scenario. But yeah the switchbacks in my mind weren't anything really, just that first one that requires 5 pt turn...
Great video. I did Imogene in August and it was amazing. Next year black bear.
That was us last year. Spent the week in Ouray to do trails but Black and Imogene were still closed for snow. So we had to come back this year on the way to Moab. And now Poughkeepsie is open again, so now i still have to come back yet again at some point...lol
@@FearlessTrailhawk there is always another trail to do. Thats awesome keep the videos coming !!
We’ve been to Ouray/Telluride/Silverton 10 times and the only trail we havent done is Black Bear. I think that second tight switch back would bother me more than The Steps/Stairs (whatever they are called). But I’ve had several friends say that I’ve done sketchier places elsewhere...
The switchback is negated by having someone spot you, made it super simple. And yeah, there are several other trails that seemed way more sketchy than this section.
Absolutely riveting video. The radio chatter was fun... "I think you were on one wheel"...lol.
Thanks! I always try to include as much radio chatter as i can!
Awesome
I want the Cherokee
Epic Scenery!
It truly is! And we got lucky with the perfect clouds!
Man I'd love to come with yall next trip im in Colorado Springs and I have a stock trail hawk I'd really love to get back into 4x4ing
...i live in Ohio...it will be a while before i'm that far west again...
Impressive work - nice video
Thanks mate!
Awesome video! When were you there? Trying to plan a trip next year. Thanks in advance.
Last weekend of July. Though last year it was still closed to snow the same week. But end of July is a fairly safe bet.
Your Jeep just looks so high lifted @fearless
I was hoping to see how you got on with the big drop right after the stairs by the waterfall..
Amazing videos by the way and cannot wait to watch some more of them.. Me and my wife just picked up are 2020 Cherokee Trailhawk yesterday so maybe next week we will go looking for some trails around by us :)
Ummm? I showed the whole bit of me going through the 'steps' until it got flat...so? From 9:07 till 12:29 ...nothing else to show...unless you are talking about the last 'step' which was a bit of a drop, but that was all in the video.
Congrats on the purchase, you'll love it! Make sure to find a good Jeep club/group and you'll have a blast!
@@FearlessTrailhawk Thanks and yes I love it already and my Wife wants to take it out on the trails and that makes me happy..
So at 13.04 I see your Trailhawk just after the last left trurn, is there another big step after that?
I was watching a few videos lastnight and I watched a Raptor going down one and it looked like a reallt big drop..
I only know this trail from what I have seen and read and have never been on it so I may of gotthe trail wrong..
It is awsome watching what you do with your rig and I am pretty amazed at what you have acheivd with it..
I am on the move agian to the east coast of Canada so when I get there I will look for a clud then
Nope, just flat 'gravel' from those steps all the way down the rest of the trail. At that first switchback that is pictured at 13:04 its just a gravel road. There is a tiny stream crossing about 100 ft further, but nothing that would be considered a 'big drop' by any stretch. There were some good drops up before the steps that i only had dash-cam for (or forgot to turn the camera on for).
There are some people who like to jumble the clips up to force people to keep watching the whole video to see the interesting bits that would have otherwise only been in the middle of the video. I've seen a few Black Bear vids that, for me, were hard to watch because they were so randomized it just made my head go crazy...
Oh ok, sounds like it was all an non issue for you any how
colors were amazing ! And the video of you on the steps showed exactly what sway bar disconnects are all about! could you feel it when several times at least one if not 2 wheels were in the air ??
I'm very familiar with how she feels, and when a wheel lifts and those wheel lifts were nothing. Sometimes the wranglers around me freak out when i lift a tire 1 inch...and i'm like just wait till you see 3 feet...
@@FearlessTrailhawk just watched more of your vids and saw first hand what you described! very cool!
I've heard people go there with Raptors, that's ridiculous doesn't even look possible
Nice video, you stopped it where everyone does. It would be nice to see the drive into Telluride for once. How did the Cherokee Trailhawk do? I have a 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. Same colors.
Because once the switchbacks get filled with all the passenger cars that are parked trying to get to the waterfall...it gets rather uninteresting and LOTS more traffic. And once you are part way down the switchbacks you can no longer see the town until literally 200 yards away as its behind a curve if i recall correctly.
The Cherokee did swell. Would do it again if i ever get the chance!
I made the mistake of doing this when it was cloudy and raining. I slid down most of the steps and could only see clouds lol. I found that manual second gear was easiest in the cherokee 4low going up.
It very nearly was the same weather for us! For the 3 days leading up to it the forecast was thunderstorms all day...but we said screw it and stayed committed...we had just a bit of sprinkles while going up Imogene...but other than that it stayed pretty clear!
Fearless Trailhawk I’m not allowed on black bear unless weather is perfect, it scared the crap out of my wife lol. Granted it did look like a straight cliff drop because of cloud coverage.
Thank you and enjoy your videos. It would be great If you tell us what gear mode you’re in every time you do something that’s difficult in your trails.
While i do understand where you're coming from, i know me, and i know that sort of thing will never happen. But that is also why i made this tutorial video to show when/how to use those modes while on a trail. th-cam.com/video/sbQ0b02u-K8/w-d-xo.html
Nice video. How did you put those tires to your jeep ?. I have a ckerokee too and I like those tires.
I bought them and had a shop put them on? I described what i did to fit them in the list of mods in the description. There are also several good forums/groups that have lots of good info on what is needed to do certain modifications.
Really making me wish I lived anywhere close to mountains so I could go do stuff like this, this is KL_tomahawk btw lol
Me too man...me too. Ohio has nothing but cornfields and some creeks. Our trails are just muddy ruts in the middle of the woods with no scenery.
Have u made any special modifications to your Cherokee?
Look in the description, everything is listed there.
I like your videos and car so much. Would you like to share with me the specific model of your modified parts?
Its all listed in the description.
Mods:
-Rocky Road Super Sliders (rock rails)
-Dobinsons KL Trailhawk suspension lift, paired with partial Hazard Sky lift spacers to achieve 2.5" lift
-32" Milestar Patagonia MTs (265/70/17) (had to trim front fenders and pinch welds)
-40" Rough Country Curved LED DLR Light bar with Hazard Sky mounts
-Rock Lights (cheapo)
-4" Pod Lights (cheapo)
@@FearlessTrailhawk Got, I am planning whether to buy a 2020 Cherokee high-performance made in China. If I buy it, I will try your modification plan, which is very cool.
Great video,,,just getting started with off roading. Some amazing scenery out there! Did you modify your trailhawk at all?
Mods:
-32" Milestar Patagonia MTs (265/70/17) (had to trim front fenders and pinch welds)
-Rocky Road Super Sliders (rock rails)
-Dobinsons KL Trailhawk suspension lift, paired with partial Hazard Sky lift spacers to achieve 2.5" lift
-40" Rough Country Curved LED DLR Light bar with Hazard Sky mounts
-Rock Lights (LUX Lights)
-4" Pod Lights (cheapo)
List of mods is in the description of each video.
@@FearlessTrailhawk yeah ,,your speaking another language right now...Im a newbie but thanks for the details!! I guess I dont take my trailhawk on some of those roads. At least for a long while!
I did Imogene and Mineral Creek on the Alpine Loop in my stock Renegade Trailhawk. I was told not to do Black Bear in my stock. After seeing this video I’m glad I didn’t. Maybe next year with a lift and I’ll give’er a go.
Honestly you wouls have been okay stock. You would have rubbed belly a couple times but not terrible. But thats my opinion. Lots of people tell us not to do stuff, doesn't mean they are right.
Fearless Trailhawk right on. I have aftermarket skid plates on mine and they didn’t get but a few bangs on Imogene but took a pretty good beating on Mineral Creek. That super tippy stuff makes me freak though, rolled a semi truck a few years back and I still don’t like the tippy stuff. I see here on that ledge that there’s some major tipping going on. I think I’ll wait till I get a Wrangler for Black Bear. Ha ha ha ha ha
@@joerivs80 i hate to break it to ya, but the Renegades are more prone to rolling than the Cherokee...i've lots of them on their sides. Personally i've gotten pretty used to the tippy stuff, and have taken it pretty far a time or two, only really panicked once.
Fearless Trailhawk yeah, the Jeep rental place down in Ouray told me a Renegade was on its side just two days earlier. There’s not much suspension travel. I want Eibach springs (actually on their website at the moment again) which will add an inch or height and extra travel plus if I get an inch lift from the Teraflex lift over winter, I’ll add extra clearance but also get that added suspension travel.
Or I’ll just save my pennies for a Rubicon live I’ve always wanted. Ha ha ha ha ha
Fearless Trailhawk you from Colorado? I’m from northeastern Wyoming. Bout 30 mins from devils tower.
What all have you done to your TH. 3 inch lift and tires?
Done a fair bit. All modifications are listed in the description.
Wow that little thing is actually kinda capable....I still don’t like them but it’s good to see it’s not in pavement
Edit: I love 90s vehicles the square body Xj and the sleek ZJ are by far my favorites
Thats acceptable. I like the new and different. The irresponsible part of me wants to get a bronco just for giggles...but i probly won't.
Fearless Trailhawk I’m getting one for the wife but it is way to expensive to take trailing but I will take it to sand dunes we have here in Michigan
@@BobbyB910 its not as expensive as most of the JK/JLs i follow or lead most of the time....lol
is the trailhawk lifted or running on stock suspension setup?
Lifted. All modifications are listed in the description.
That dude on the bike! lol
ALL the dudes on the bikes...just crazy, the whole lot of 'em!
Nice video.
Are those stock tires on your Trailhawk and what is the lift kit on it ?
(Same list is in the description of every video)
Mods:
-32" Milestar Patagonia MTs (265/70/17) (had to trim front fenders and pinch welds)
-Rocky Road Super Sliders (rock rails)
-Dobinsons KL Trailhawk suspension lift, paired with partial Hazard Sky lift spacers to achieve 2.5" lift
-40" Rough Country Curved LED DLR Light bar with Hazard Sky mounts
-Rock Lights (LUX Lights)
-4" Pod Lights (cheapo)
@@FearlessTrailhawk
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Looks like a great ride! Is your club a "Jeep only " considering all the capable brands for off- road?
There are many offroad capable brands out there, no hard feelings against any of them, but yes, this club, Mid Ohio Jeepers Organization is a "Jeep only" club.
There are numerous groups in our area who are open to all makes, so its not like there is a huge lack of stuff for them to do.
MOJO is already the largest Jeep club in our state, and we regularly have 40+ rigs show up for our monthly club rides (we split into several groups for the actual trails), so its not like we really need to open our rides up to every other make, as the group sizes would get a bit ridiculous.
@@FearlessTrailhawk Thanks for the info. please continue with the smaller groups on the county trails. Keep the videos coming, they are great!
Question for you. You say you use a partial hazard sky lift paired with the Dobinson springs and shock. What do you mean by partial?
.75" as opposed to the standard 1.5-2". Hazard Sky was the only one willing to do the non-standard amounts.
Fearless Trailhawk have you had any CV issues with that? I went with the 1.5 because with the 1inch extra the Dobinson springs give a Trailhawk, it would keep me at 2.5. Which is supposedly about as high as we can go without major driveline issues.
Also, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
@@amdestined i opted for the stiffer version of the dobs springs, as my first attempt with the regular dobs springs only yielded about .5" from the springs for whatever reason.
It currebtly sits between 2.5 and 3", i just don't quite remember what it was beforehand. (I did not take pre-lift measurement pics)
No CV issues related to the lift yet, had two go bad from other causes of boot failure, but none from the lift yet, have about 30k miles with lift.
Buddy your jeep is alot more capable than i thought they were, just for my curiosity ,doing what you do , the places you go and difficulty of the trails you do , and taking into consideration how good your jeep does , just wondering with the price of one of those trailhawks what was the deciding factor in getting your jeep over a wrangler ?
I hate how the wrangler drives as a daily...and its too big for me. More creature comforts as well. Plus for the rubicon it was higher than i wanted to pay. Mine was total, after lifetime warranty, taxes, all the extras, totaled 40k. And i like to be different.
Don't trailhawks already have an air lift suspension?
No mate. Thats the Grand Cherokee. Very different. (it doesn't have a rear locker though)
Is the trailhawk a 4x4 with an actual transfer case? Or just the fake one like the renegade?
Legit 2 speed transfer case with actual low range. The Renegade and Compass both just fake it by locking it into 1st gear high range.
How do you find a 4x4 club?
Search google and facebook for "*your state* Jeep club" or "4x4 club" ect. There are plenty of state-wide facebook groups that then you can go in and ask what clubs are around the area.
Some of you guys look like you didn’t air down . What pressure did most of you go for?
There were a couple that didn't air down at first, but changed their minds part way up to the pass. I usually shoot for 18-20 for average trail days.
Did anybody air down the tires or did you feel okay with the higher pressure? If you did, how much? Thanks and good video.
Everybody aired down. I went to ~20. One guy tried to go road pressures but quickly asked to stop and air down...
@@FearlessTrailhawk Thanks, the tires looked stiff when going down the rock steps. Maybe the sidewalls are so tough on the new tires that they don't show that soft look that I expect to see. Enjoyed the video.
@@FearlessTrailhawkthe chicken in me would have gone down to 15PSI max …
Is the 2 inch lift you have listed in your mods the one that come from the factory with having a trailhawk?? Only asking because I recently purchased a 2019 trailhawk and I’m putting some money into it
Genrally speaking, when people, and shops, talk about the lifts...they are talking about how much it lifts the vehicle from how it comes stock (from the factory). Meaning, the TH trim comes with the extra 1" over the other trims, any lifts put on add to that.
Tell me more about your radios
GMRS style. Many use the Baofengs. I have the Midland Micromobile.
Are you running any wheels spacers? Any rub against the struts?
Negative, and negative. Wheel spacers also cause more rubbing issues with the fender liner and pinch seam in most cases as it pushed the tire 'out' and closer to those bits when the wheel is turned. I do rub on the subframe at FULL lock, but that is easy enough to avoid.
Fearless Trailhawk good to know thanks man. Like the Jeep 🤘🏼
Is your trailhawk stock or is it modified?
Slightly modified. List of all mods is in the description of each video.
Did you have that in a different gear or did you keep it in auto the whole time?
During climbs and such i usually keep it in 1st or 2nd gear, otherwise when in low it can shift a little rough when it tries to jump into 3rd/4th for whatever reason. Then on the downhills i will keep it in manual to help engine brake it more than wearing out my brake pads.
Is your jeep lifted?
Yes, about 2.5", full list of mods is in the description.
Why wouldn’t u stop and let all the sheep cross? That big of a hurry?
Because there were a thousand of them, and there were only 9 of us. No telling how long we'd be sitting waiting. And its not like we were trying to run them over or anything, we respected their space and they let us cross.
Props to that bad ass mountain biker at th-cam.com/video/cCFQUupZaag/w-d-xo.html That is one heckuva climb up.
We passed quite a few...each one i gave props to...thats just crazy!
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I wouldn't go down that trail for all the tea in China!
It's really not that bad, only tight in one spot. Worth it though!
Too big rims, too much air (in the lead vehicle). But I guess you know that...
17" rims, literally can't go smaller do to brakes ect. Was at about 18 psi, where i normally have them when i'm on the trails. *shrugs.
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It's all a ride in the park until 12:26. nope nope nope.
It really wasn't THAT bad...was actually pretty wide. But yeah, thats where LOTS of people have mental breakdowns!
Yea I was getting the willys watching. I really want to get out there and do a Rockies, million dollar highway, desert, south rim G.C. Monument valley. Road trip
Jeep needs to revive an XJ like Cherokee. Shouldnt have to trim pinch welds to fit tires on. Mods like that are absurd.
I agree. Its a 'trail rated' Jeep...of course people are going to put bigger tires on it. And that extra bit of the pinch seam doesn't really do much for the vehicle. Was disappointed at the look of the new wagoneer...c'mon Jeep you can do better than that!
you should use drone for make amazing video, please
I use the drone every chance i get...however, i made this video long before i had the drone unfortunately..
If you are on this and an Earthquake hits are you fucked?
I mean....maybe?
@@FearlessTrailhawk I always wonder about people cave exploring, rock climbing, or tight mountain edge driving like this when earthquakes happen. A lot of big things happen that never ever make the news.
Jesus. You can't get away from these people riding children's toys anywhere these days.