hot tip for future readers! don't dekaja, use 3 debuffs instead. he won't reapply capote if his agility buffs are still positive. him reapplying costs him 1 press turn. him missing an attack or half of andalusia can cost him 2. work smart, not hard
"Evasion/Hit Rate increased by 4 stages!" The average gamer probably has no reaction... Anyone who has played any other SMT game will go "Oh dear god no."
Gym Leader: Watch in horror as my ace Pokemon raises it's evasion and accuracy stat to 300% (6 stages) in a single move, in a franchise where you can only debuff both by one stage. Yeah, I can't imagine that going down well, even if it was the Champion's ace.
@@artofthepossible7329 There are moves like Haze that remove all status changes at once. The reason they don't see use is because stuff like Red Capote don't exist.
I love Matador, you just can't hold a chance against him until you prepare yourself and get your sweet buffs and a well made team just for him, it's just a nuke for making you learn how the game works
@DrWienerful using the fusion system to create certain atacks to nulify a certain estrategy... Then congratulations, you now probably know how to play the game.
Call me a whiner, but how is that good game design? If I have to know how the boss works beforehand just to stand any sort of chance of surviving my first go-around, it feels more like a punishment for something I didn't even realize was a thing.
@@fictionfan0 you don’t have to know the bossfight beforehand rather than having a decently built team to win against him. It’s impressive because a lot of JRPGS just don’t give you the importance of buffs and debuffs until particularly difficult bosses which are secret and placed in very late game whereas the story almost plays itself. But the fact is Matador wasn’t in the first version of the game since he’s a Fiend, and the fiend fights are a difficult spike compared to original story bosses, which is why Matador is still matter of discussions every now and then. At its worst, trial and error was always a thing in videogames so why would that be bad game design if the boss doesn’t push you to abuse aspects that make the game boring but instead makes you focus on having a more complete team that makes you interact with every single element of the combat Nocturne offers you?
Matador: So, have you been enjoying the game? Player: I mean, it's been challenging, but honestly it's not as hard as people were saying. Matador: That's nice to hear. Anyway *RED CAPONE*
This battle is there to convince you of the following -Turn Press is brutal, and you need to stack the odds in your favour, lest you be sent to the shadow realm -Buffs and debuffs are disgustingly good -learn Focus as soon as humanly possible
@@rift3487 Physical is objectively the best late-end game and begins to get very strong in mid game. What a lot of people do is few points in magic early, get some strong spells (the breath attacks are awesome) then transition into a focus+phys combo build come mid game (and ofc pump up strength, vit etc) Dunno the exact magatama you have but yea, strength + maybe some debuffs is optimal. Reason magic is so good is because the really good phys skills come into play quite a bit later on (being mid game) and strong magic is easier to obtain. If you want to, just search for some forum answers. There's tons in the SMT community talking about phys/mag builds.
Matador: summon your last pathetic demon so we can end this demifiend!! Demifiend: my compendium has no pathetic demons matador! But it does contain, the unstoppable nozuchi!!! Matador: ahhhh!! Nozuchi! It's not possible!!! No one's ever been able to fuse him!! Demifiend: nozuchi, WIND ABSORB AND COUNTER!!
Seeing how this video suddenly blew up, here is some context for those who are interested. This was my first mainline Shin Megoomi Tensay game. I never was a turn based-RPG kinda guy but when P4G was released in Steam something clicked in me and started playing more of the genre. At this point, I had already played P3, P4G, DDS1, DDS2 and some other non-Atlus RPGs, so, considering that at the time the SMT3 remaster had just released, the logical conclusion was to play that. I knew boneboy was coming due to the memes but I had no idea when nor what his schtick was. If I remember correctly, there's a prompt in the game that warns you about an ominous precense, but I never would have thought that after taking just a couple of steps after that warning I would be thrown into battle. This video is how that first battle turned out. I was pretty unprepared. I was not at full HP, had no suku skills and most of my demons were weak to force, so him tearing me a new asshole was no surprise. I found it pretty funny so I recorded it and uploaded it here. After that I fused some better demons and beat him on the third try.
I am honestly surprised your punch at the end even landed. when I first fought him I didn't die as fast, but I also couldn't land a hit on him with his evasion maxed out having no agility debuffs. Also thanks for this. I have tried to find a good example of what a first matador fight looks like for most people. all the "rekt by matador" type videos I have found are on hard or using the hardtype mod, and aren't a good example of how he is a good wall
I remember my first time playing and saw the manekin saying that he saw the Grim Reaper. I thought I would fight Pale Rider or something like that so I just healed and prepared for a battle. Then I saw him and rememberes all the memes and thought "nah he can't be that hard if he's this soon in the game". He kicked my ass even harder than Beldr did in Devil Survivor (DS was my first megaten)
I thought I was overleveled as hell, at that point I hadn't had any issues for hours. Arrogantly rolled into the sewers, suddenly my Demi's getting rolled in one move...
I love how the Matador Boss just acts as the one big Obstacle that you have to overcome in order to experience the rest of the Game. A 'Casual Filter' in a sense even, if you will... It forces you to learn how to play the Game really, if you hadn't already by that point. Namely by showing the importance of Buffs/Debuffs, and your party composition (i.e: Resistances/Weaknesses etc.). I remember dropping this Game for months afterwards (granted after playing for several hours in one sitting by that point so it was probably more boredom than anything) before finally coming back more recently to beat him in a clutch. I knew I could do it, albeit with more preparation, I just didn't feel like it at the time. But when I finally did it unironically felt pretty amazing, and now (because I feel like I finally get to experience the rest of it) I'm playing the Game more often at this point, albeit more on/off this time and taking my time with it a little more. SMT Nocturne definitely feels like one of those Games that takes a while to truly get going, but when it does it's a really good game imho. Moral of the Story: When faced with the Toughest of Obstacles, you should always persevere until the very end.
I actually thought Matador was quite easy. But keep these in mind; - I already knew he was coming - I over prepare The wooped my ass on the first try, but after attempt number 2, I left, got some demons that could resist Zan magic. By the time I got back, it basically wasn't a fight
SMT fans: *PTSD* G Gundam fans: *The undefeated of the East!!! The winds of the king!!! Zenshin! Keiretsu!! Tenpa Kyouran!!! Look!! The east is burning red!!*
Funny thing is this boss was the boss I had to look up back on ps2 because I went from p3 to this and guess what P3 buffs don't stack so after reading up on him I learned, hey buffs stack and changed my entire playthrough of this game.
Yep. it was smooth sailing for me up until I got to Matador. And like this video, I was scrambling through my menu options, getting frantic from the music, and watching my allies (most with Force weaknesses) just get massacred. 😭😭😭
I was overlevled as hell for this fight, like 23 or 24 which I feel like is higher than what's expected, and had some good demons yet Matador still nearly one shot my team with his physical attacking move in the second phase. I did manage to beat him first try on hard but I was scared for a bit.
i just stacked demons with counter and dia that were either not weak to wind or elec through up a single defense buff then i physically attacked on his turn while keeping my team alive on my turn
I'm on my first ever playthrough of this game and encountered him yesterday. A nice little reality check. Guess I'm gonna have to be higher than level 12 to beat him.
Yeah, I do kinda wish I wasn't overly familiar with the mechanics of SMT (played Persona, IV, and the first sector of SJ before I played Nocturne the first time) and didn't know to fuse Uzume/Nozuchi/Nekomata and use buffs before fighting Matador. I had one loss but it was more due to bad luck with Andalucia than anything. Mem Aleph is my personal "ridiculous SMT boss" though so I still had one.
When it came to beating this boss last night I had a pretty good team. I was level 23 and had: - Ame-No-Uzume - Momunofu - Take-Minekata My stupid ass had Shiranui, the Magatama with FORCE WEAKNESS. I was hit hard constantly but thankfully Ame-No-Usume had force block, making Matador's turn instantly end. She was fused with High Pixie (the OG pixie so she's not gone forever) and Archangel. The debuffs and buffs from her helped too! Thankfully Take-Minekata also had debuffs and buffs from the Shikigami and Lillim I fused together. It was funny seeing such a powerful demon have a shit-ton of debuffs. I had to heal him a few times but he was fine Now Momunofu is actually the real fucking MVP... because Momun had BRIGHT MIGHT thanks to the Bicorn and Kodama... Or was it a Bicorn and a Hua-Po? Who knows. The reason why Bright Might was so good was because normal attacks always turn into critical hits on a Full Moon. Momunofu helped me get one consistent extra turn each time he hit Matador. Anyways my strategy was to constantly debuff Matador with me and Uzume, then Minekata would increase physical attack and hit chance, and Momunofu looked pretty just hitting Matador for increasing increments of 100 damage. So what if I was weak to Mazan? MOMUNOFU WAS MY MVP, I LOVE HIM This game is so fucking awesome it lets me experiment and fuck around with silly strategies. I thought I was fucking toasted but my ass was saved by my own quick thinking.
@Hyourinmaru2 nah you can brute froce the game any difficulty. Its always funny when people whove clearly never tried something like to pop in like theyre the authority. Being ignorant isnt a big deal, being proud of it is wild though. You can literally youtube people doing this but isntead here you come trying to be all "nuh uh" for something thats just verifiably true with no effort whatsoever.
@@ChicCanyonI mean, fair enough in the sense that you actually could brute force it, it's very much doable with enough time spent. But also, like... why? Just get Ame-no-Uzume, ideally with Sukukaja, and you win. If you enjoy hours of grinding, then sure, do what works for you, but personally, it felt a lot more interesting to fuse a few demons, set up a more balanced team, then go back in.
Playing nocturne hd and man I'm honestly kinda dreading having to fight this guy because of all the stuff I've heard, though I have been doing pretty well so far at least
Yup matador is the "you're gonna learn today boy" boss and i love him for that. The only way to get past him is understanding how to aproach the game properly.
matador is basically an optional DLC boss that's too hard for the point of the game you unlock it at so you're supposed to come back later unless you want a difficult challenge. Of course the issue is that they put him in the one hallway you havee to go through to progress.
The funny thing is this game is way easier than its numbered predecessors; I played SMT2 completely blind and only died once, and that to only to the first boss.
The nocturne tutorial is infamous for just doing that to people. I'm on my 2nd playthrough rn (hard) and I died more times in the tutorial than at any boss I've fought so far (random encounters have been the real killer so far tbh)
It's funny people told me this was really tough and it was. But then after I did it after several tries some people said it was easy. Crazy honestly lol
He's here to test your understanding of how the game mechanics REALLY works. If you have alredy acclimated to them in normal play, and DON'T have a team which main weackness is force, he is "just another boss"
@@oof5992 I posted this when i only had a ps4, which i don't believe i could find any smt games on (other than the spinoffs like persona 5 and soul hackers) idk though it's been a year they might have added something since then
@@mageyplss it's just Nocturne is on PS2, 3, 4, 5, Switch, and PC and the HD version launched on PS4 same day as Switch. PC I think was delayed by a couple months? 5 is also coming to PS4/5, probably will be PC too, it's only a timed exclusive
Do you mean the optional Oni fights? I do remember them being pretty tough but half of them have weaknesses that you can exploit and you basically just need different strategies going into each individual fight
This is one of the things I find frustrating of JRPGs, having to do "test runs" against bosses to discover their attacks and elemental affinities so you can farm and stack your party to exploit them. I would rather have a long battle that ends with me winning but limping away from it. However, I can understand that people like and prefer that. Btw, nice hitting Matador with that Attack, that is truly impressive.
Idk man, if that long battle ends in a loss then that kills my interest. If you're gonna have a battle where you struggle for 200 turns and survive by the skin of your teeth then it better be an endgame boss. When it comes to an early game boss like Matador I'd rather be put in my place with a quick stab through the heart and learn from the experience instantly instead of sitting pretty while I bleed out slowly for 40 turns.
What? You're talking as if games like dark souls doesn't have "test runs" 😂 If you die to a boss it's inevitable to fight that boss again but you would already know most of his attack patterns, If you don't want that then you should quit when you die 😂😂
@@gaspenpayne6755 I'm sure people out there find test runs in DS to be frustrating too. It's not like he said it's such a terrible thing, just frustrating tangentially related, but I think the main difference for an action RPG like DS and a test run in JRPGs is that you might have to grind after you learn about the boss's affinities, whereas in an action RPG you can learn the patterns without grinding. Not like that's necessarily a perfect solution either since plenty of people quit and never go back to dark souls
@@Astric24 he said he'd rather have a long battle and end up winning without exploiting the boss, but that can only happen if you did it first try no deaths, because if you fight the boss and then you die, you automatically remembers their moveset and patterns so you will automatically exploit their patterns when you fight them again, you are exploiting their AI.
@@gaspenpayne6755 That's fair. For me personally idk if I'd find that particularly fun if I'm able to beat it as soon as I get a second shot, but I haven't played SMT before so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of context
Matador, the "you will learn how to buff and debuff, whether you want to or not" boss
dekaja is necessary as hrll in this one
And" you'll learn to bring a demon that resist my elemental attack"
hot tip for future readers! don't dekaja, use 3 debuffs instead. he won't reapply capote if his agility buffs are still positive. him reapplying costs him 1 press turn. him missing an attack or half of andalusia can cost him 2.
work smart, not hard
@@trevorBbracketlower his evasion to +1, then buff your own party to evasion +4
Nah, see Narlyn's run! It is possible!
"Evasion/Hit Rate increased by 4 stages!"
The average gamer probably has no reaction...
Anyone who has played any other SMT game will go "Oh dear god no."
SMT's game mechanics make it much nastier, but even in something like Pokémon that'd still be absurd.
@@HeraldOfOpera Crobat moment
Gym Leader: Watch in horror as my ace Pokemon raises it's evasion and accuracy stat to 300% (6 stages) in a single move, in a franchise where you can only debuff both by one stage.
Yeah, I can't imagine that going down well, even if it was the Champion's ace.
@@artofthepossible7329 There are moves like Haze that remove all status changes at once. The reason they don't see use is because stuff like Red Capote don't exist.
If you grind hard enough you can bring a dekaja demon in
The total disrespect from matador, you had 18 health and he did 19 damage
I dealt 69 damage before dying, so it's a win on my book
That's called a B'tchslap
@@Baogio Demi Fiend died with a shit eating grin in his face.
The least he could have done was fucking destroy him but nope; he basically won on a technicality :/
"this will be more than enough" 💀
The most surprising thing in this video is that you hit him when you attacked
I love Matador, you just can't hold a chance against him until you prepare yourself and get your sweet buffs and a well made team just for him, it's just a nuke for making you learn how the game works
Ah yes, the "You will learn the game, you like it or don't"
@@franconunez925 Swim or drown
@DrWienerful using the fusion system to create certain atacks to nulify a certain estrategy... Then congratulations, you now probably know how to play the game.
Call me a whiner, but how is that good game design? If I have to know how the boss works beforehand just to stand any sort of chance of surviving my first go-around, it feels more like a punishment for something I didn't even realize was a thing.
@@fictionfan0 you don’t have to know the bossfight beforehand rather than having a decently built team to win against him. It’s impressive because a lot of JRPGS just don’t give you the importance of buffs and debuffs until particularly difficult bosses which are secret and placed in very late game whereas the story almost plays itself. But the fact is Matador wasn’t in the first version of the game since he’s a Fiend, and the fiend fights are a difficult spike compared to original story bosses, which is why Matador is still matter of discussions every now and then. At its worst, trial and error was always a thing in videogames so why would that be bad game design if the boss doesn’t push you to abuse aspects that make the game boring but instead makes you focus on having a more complete team that makes you interact with every single element of the combat Nocturne offers you?
Matador: So, have you been enjoying the game?
Player: I mean, it's been challenging, but honestly it's not as hard as people were saying.
Matador: That's nice to hear. Anyway *RED CAPONE*
Nice strategy you got there, one problem though *ANDAMNLUCIEN*
* 5 turns later
"Wow, you push me to the edge. Can you survive this?"
*Spam Andalucia
"miss miss miss"
"Okay, let's grind for a few hours."
"miss miss 17 dmg"
"Sweet! Actually hit him this time, think I'll have this down in a few days."
Matador has banished thee with thy cruel name of "PixieIsHot"
Pixie 😊the pocket p*ssy
Died spitting facts.
@@Greendawn-di3dl i honestly cannot deny thy words, yet they are sinful and blasphemous as they encapture the sin of lust.
@@klaus.sfc01official30 more pixie for me then.
This battle is there to convince you of the following
-Turn Press is brutal, and you need to stack the odds in your favour, lest you be sent to the shadow realm
-Buffs and debuffs are disgustingly good
-learn Focus as soon as humanly possible
prepare for everything, never underleved
always overlevel in any boss
To add onto this:
-FUSE A DEMON WITH MEDIA AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE
And don't show up to a boss with demons weak to the one element he uses.
Giving the boss freebie turns is typically not good for surviving very long
Just started playing the game and is going for strength good? I got the physical magatama and been solely buffing my strength, agility, and vitality
@@rift3487 Physical is objectively the best late-end game and begins to get very strong in mid game.
What a lot of people do is few points in magic early, get some strong spells (the breath attacks are awesome) then transition into a focus+phys combo build come mid game (and ofc pump up strength, vit etc)
Dunno the exact magatama you have but yea, strength + maybe some debuffs is optimal.
Reason magic is so good is because the really good phys skills come into play quite a bit later on (being mid game) and strong magic is easier to obtain.
If you want to, just search for some forum answers. There's tons in the SMT community talking about phys/mag builds.
You died as you lived: thinking Pixie is Hot.
Matador: summon your last pathetic demon so we can end this demifiend!!
Demifiend: my compendium has no pathetic demons matador! But it does contain, the unstoppable nozuchi!!!
Matador: ahhhh!! Nozuchi! It's not possible!!! No one's ever been able to fuse him!!
Demifiend: nozuchi, WIND ABSORB AND COUNTER!!
Have my like, good sir.
SMT Players: Yeah, just need to do a little grinding and this game is easy!
Matador: Buenos dias, fuckboi.
From this day onward, you will always use buffs/debuffs in any kinds of JRPGs
Seeing how this video suddenly blew up, here is some context for those who are interested.
This was my first mainline Shin Megoomi Tensay game. I never was a turn based-RPG kinda guy but when P4G was released in Steam something clicked in me and started playing more of the genre. At this point, I had already played P3, P4G, DDS1, DDS2 and some other non-Atlus RPGs, so, considering that at the time the SMT3 remaster had just released, the logical conclusion was to play that.
I knew boneboy was coming due to the memes but I had no idea when nor what his schtick was. If I remember correctly, there's a prompt in the game that warns you about an ominous precense, but I never would have thought that after taking just a couple of steps after that warning I would be thrown into battle. This video is how that first battle turned out. I was pretty unprepared. I was not at full HP, had no suku skills and most of my demons were weak to force, so him tearing me a new asshole was no surprise. I found it pretty funny so I recorded it and uploaded it here.
After that I fused some better demons and beat him on the third try.
I am honestly surprised your punch at the end even landed. when I first fought him I didn't die as fast, but I also couldn't land a hit on him with his evasion maxed out having no agility debuffs. Also thanks for this. I have tried to find a good example of what a first matador fight looks like for most people. all the "rekt by matador" type videos I have found are on hard or using the hardtype mod, and aren't a good example of how he is a good wall
This video is The SMT games version of talk shit get hit
The Japanese voices are in the switch version ?
@@bazidrayan6945 They are indeed.
I mean, his main shtick is a subtle work of genius. He fights like a matador, dodging everything and then punishing you for missing.
While it is amusing seeing Nocturne videos like this, it is also a bit sad because a Demi-fiend named PixieIsHot definitely deserves to live.
Nocturnes taught me so much i use in my every day life. Honor, integrity, making sure to buff and debuff properly.
nothing like the nocturne fiend theme to send you into a panic. this guy beat my ass so many times on hard mode lmao
"Evasion/Hit Rate increased by 4 stages!"
Player: (chuckles) I'm in danger
I remember my first time playing and saw the manekin saying that he saw the Grim Reaper. I thought I would fight Pale Rider or something like that so I just healed and prepared for a battle. Then I saw him and rememberes all the memes and thought "nah he can't be that hard if he's this soon in the game". He kicked my ass even harder than Beldr did in Devil Survivor (DS was my first megaten)
I thought I was overleveled as hell, at that point I hadn't had any issues for hours.
Arrogantly rolled into the sewers, suddenly my Demi's getting rolled in one move...
I love how the Matador Boss just acts as the one big Obstacle that you have to overcome in order to experience the rest of the Game. A 'Casual Filter' in a sense even, if you will...
It forces you to learn how to play the Game really, if you hadn't already by that point. Namely by showing the importance of Buffs/Debuffs, and your party composition (i.e: Resistances/Weaknesses etc.).
I remember dropping this Game for months afterwards (granted after playing for several hours in one sitting by that point so it was probably more boredom than anything) before finally coming back more recently to beat him in a clutch. I knew I could do it, albeit with more preparation, I just didn't feel like it at the time.
But when I finally did it unironically felt pretty amazing, and now (because I feel like I finally get to experience the rest of it) I'm playing the Game more often at this point, albeit more on/off this time and taking my time with it a little more.
SMT Nocturne definitely feels like one of those Games that takes a while to truly get going, but when it does it's a really good game imho. Moral of the Story: When faced with the Toughest of Obstacles, you should always persevere until the very end.
Then Thor comes and one shots you with one focused attack 😭
I actually thought Matador was quite easy. But keep these in mind;
- I already knew he was coming
- I over prepare
The wooped my ass on the first try, but after attempt number 2, I left, got some demons that could resist Zan magic. By the time I got back, it basically wasn't a fight
That is every smt boss to be fair
That 69 damage at the end tho
you brought 2 demons weak to force
why do you expect
At least you went out with a bang.
PixieIsHot 🤨📸
she is tho
SMT fans: *PTSD*
G Gundam fans: *The undefeated of the East!!! The winds of the king!!! Zenshin! Keiretsu!! Tenpa Kyouran!!! Look!! The east is burning red!!*
Funny thing is this boss was the boss I had to look up back on ps2 because I went from p3 to this and guess what P3 buffs don't stack so after reading up on him I learned, hey buffs stack and changed my entire playthrough of this game.
They never expect it
You mean, they never see it coming?
At least you went down swinging with that 69 damage punch.
Nice
The moment i saw the demons he had i knew it was over before it even started, even more after seeing their health.
Yep. it was smooth sailing for me up until I got to Matador. And like this video, I was scrambling through my menu options, getting frantic from the music, and watching my allies (most with Force weaknesses) just get massacred. 😭😭😭
My favorite thing is hes just a skeleton in a bullfighter getup and ordinarily youd never expect him to be this strong
He's actually a fun boss to me. I really liked fighting him!
As someone who knew about this fight beforehand i just yeeted his sukukaja with my own sukukaja
Pretty hard to forget this dude
0:40
"It was at this moment that he knew.... _he fucked up_ "
Pretty happy that I first tried him without knowing where he was gonna show up.
you WILL learn mechanics. you WILL use the debuffs and not just go full "muh damage moves" like pokemon
I really don’t know what you’re doing if you’re not healing after encounters tbh
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
I have a friend that is borrowing my copy of nocturne. He's almost at the matador fight and he didn't even know about passing your turns lol
You didn’t even start with full hp…
Welcome demi-fiend... to the casual filter !
I was overlevled as hell for this fight, like 23 or 24 which I feel like is higher than what's expected, and had some good demons yet Matador still nearly one shot my team with his physical attacking move in the second phase. I did manage to beat him first try on hard but I was scared for a bit.
Who would think of going with 3 demons weak to the wind, against someone who can throw Mazan at you, it's normal for Matador to destroy you.
I'm surprised that punch hit, ngl.
i just stacked demons with counter and dia that were either not weak to wind or elec through up a single defense buff then i physically attacked on his turn while keeping my team alive on my turn
At least you managed to hit the guy without Sukukaja.
I'm on my first ever playthrough of this game and encountered him yesterday. A nice little reality check. Guess I'm gonna have to be higher than level 12 to beat him.
0:44- "ROFL, YOU SAID THIS GAME WAS EASY"
Beautiful feeling, the first defeat against this guy. Everyone's been through that.
Yeah, I do kinda wish I wasn't overly familiar with the mechanics of SMT (played Persona, IV, and the first sector of SJ before I played Nocturne the first time) and didn't know to fuse Uzume/Nozuchi/Nekomata and use buffs before fighting Matador. I had one loss but it was more due to bad luck with Andalucia than anything.
Mem Aleph is my personal "ridiculous SMT boss" though so I still had one.
Matador, never not a humbling experience lmao.
Bone boy
When it came to beating this boss last night I had a pretty good team. I was level 23 and had:
- Ame-No-Uzume
- Momunofu
- Take-Minekata
My stupid ass had Shiranui, the Magatama with FORCE WEAKNESS.
I was hit hard constantly but thankfully Ame-No-Usume had force block, making Matador's turn instantly end. She was fused with High Pixie (the OG pixie so she's not gone forever) and Archangel. The debuffs and buffs from her helped too!
Thankfully Take-Minekata also had debuffs and buffs from the Shikigami and Lillim I fused together. It was funny seeing such a powerful demon have a shit-ton of debuffs. I had to heal him a few times but he was fine
Now Momunofu is actually the real fucking MVP... because Momun had BRIGHT MIGHT thanks to the Bicorn and Kodama... Or was it a Bicorn and a Hua-Po? Who knows.
The reason why Bright Might was so good was because normal attacks always turn into critical hits on a Full Moon. Momunofu helped me get one consistent extra turn each time he hit Matador.
Anyways my strategy was to constantly debuff Matador with me and Uzume, then Minekata would increase physical attack and hit chance, and Momunofu looked pretty just hitting Matador for increasing increments of 100 damage. So what if I was weak to Mazan? MOMUNOFU WAS MY MVP, I LOVE HIM
This game is so fucking awesome it lets me experiment and fuck around with silly strategies. I thought I was fucking toasted but my ass was saved by my own quick thinking.
Bro already went into this fight losing.
"We shall determine which of us is truly worthy of the menorah"
Alright, Matador, i get it, you are
P.S.: Congrats on surviving so long!
I must be the only one who didn't have a problem with this battle. I grinded hard before this encounter so I was well prepared.
Holy sh*t guy you're supposed to have at least ONE ally that boosts your hit rate, or removes his buff.
SMT Nocturne is a buff and debuff game.
Nah. Just put a movie on and grind for a few hours and brute force him.
@@ChicCanyon yeah that can work, if you play in normal mode like a casual
@Hyourinmaru2 nah you can brute froce the game any difficulty. Its always funny when people whove clearly never tried something like to pop in like theyre the authority.
Being ignorant isnt a big deal, being proud of it is wild though. You can literally youtube people doing this but isntead here you come trying to be all "nuh uh" for something thats just verifiably true with no effort whatsoever.
@@ChicCanyonI mean, fair enough in the sense that you actually could brute force it, it's very much doable with enough time spent. But also, like... why? Just get Ame-no-Uzume, ideally with Sukukaja, and you win. If you enjoy hours of grinding, then sure, do what works for you, but personally, it felt a lot more interesting to fuse a few demons, set up a more balanced team, then go back in.
@@sol_and_luna wont argue against amy of that
Me: Okay tough fight, at least I have more press turns than hi-
Matador: What press turns? (proceeds to dodge every single attack I make)
I like the Demifiend name
You:pfft Nocturnes easy
Matador:vibe checks.
Playing nocturne hd and man I'm honestly kinda dreading having to fight this guy because of all the stuff I've heard, though I have been doing pretty well so far at least
Demi-Fiend was like "this is my last chance" and punched Matador and dealt *69 damage* 💀
Yup matador is the "you're gonna learn today boy" boss and i love him for that. The only way to get past him is understanding how to aproach the game properly.
"PixieIsHot"... Accurate!
so true so true
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Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne would never take advantage of our innate gullibility
matador is basically an optional DLC boss that's too hard for the point of the game you unlock it at so you're supposed to come back later unless you want a difficult challenge.
Of course the issue is that they put him in the one hallway you havee to go through to progress.
And this why we the internet
The funny thing is this game is way easier than its numbered predecessors; I played SMT2 completely blind and only died once, and that to only to the first boss.
Me: lol those noobs are having a hard time with matador. I beat him on my second try blind on hard
Dante:
I got him second/third try, mostly by using Demi Fiend's punches
I love how youtube is the opinion that this is digital devil saga 2.
I mean it is a SMT game so it's not too far off.
that glorious 69 dmg before dying tho
That's nothing, I died in the tutorial, in the first battle, and in two turns
The nocturne tutorial is infamous for just doing that to people. I'm on my 2nd playthrough rn (hard) and I died more times in the tutorial than at any boss I've fought so far (random encounters have been the real killer so far tbh)
PixieIsHot. Yes, she is.
Everyone bringing up the buff meme but the moment he brought 2 force weaknesses he was cooked. No chance of coming back from that first turn.
this is what happens if you dont have uzume or hifumi magatama
that mc name tho lol
I lov tis gama
Bro got humbled 😂😂
He's only hard on the actual hard mode
Even matador is easy once you have wind resistance
It's funny people told me this was really tough and it was. But then after I did it after several tries some people said it was easy. Crazy honestly lol
He's here to test your understanding of how the game mechanics REALLY works. If you have alredy acclimated to them in normal play, and DON'T have a team which main weackness is force, he is "just another boss"
@@serPomiz Makes sense lol
Me who beat Matador on the first try.
How did you get to matador at such a low level?
PixieIsHot? I mean you do you, but isn't she like a foot tall at best? How would that even work? I fear for pixie's health
Watching new people be wrecked by Matador in SMT3 is my favorite passtime, and now you made it better by just using Japanese dub.
i didn't realize that hua po is this tiny
Shes really tiny
She's meant to be a faerie that lives in tree trunks I think, has to be kinda small for that
and then the game gets super easy again until the final few hours
Lol yeah. People like to act like the game is hard but the reality is it has a few peaks but mostly valleys
Why is everyone not at full HP? 😱😱😱
Fight matador in smt v Vengeance is realy easy just need 1 atempt overall noctrune far more dificult
_does an almost exclusive melee build, abusing counter to chip_
Guilty gear has taught me if anything use the parry your given
I wanna get these games really bad but they aren't supported by any of the platforms I own
What platforms you own? Smt is everywhere
@@oof5992 I posted this when i only had a ps4, which i don't believe i could find any smt games on (other than the spinoffs like persona 5 and soul hackers) idk though it's been a year they might have added something since then
What systems do you have if you don't have Playstation, Switch, or PC?
@@velvetbutterfly I have a ps4 and a switch but no PC. I made this comment before I owned a switch which I know has SMT V which I am going to get soon
@@mageyplss it's just Nocturne is on PS2, 3, 4, 5, Switch, and PC and the HD version launched on PS4 same day as Switch. PC I think was delayed by a couple months?
5 is also coming to PS4/5, probably will be PC too, it's only a timed exclusive
Got no problems with Matador at all.
But the ogres... Oh God....
Do you mean the optional Oni fights? I do remember them being pretty tough but half of them have weaknesses that you can exploit and you basically just need different strategies going into each individual fight
He is easy actually, if you have *dekaja*
Just beat him. I quit the game for like a month because of him.
You down bad bro.
I had Kurama Tengu, Nozuchi and Ame-no-Uzume.
Problem? What problem?
You still need sukukaja user to hit matador or lose precious turn a lot
@@zombiemassacreifyRakukaja too (i dont remember Kurama and Nozuchi's learnsets so maybe they get it) to counteract his Taunt -> Andalucia bullshit
You could have beat him if you just beat him. Come on.
This is one of the things I find frustrating of JRPGs, having to do "test runs" against bosses to discover their attacks and elemental affinities so you can farm and stack your party to exploit them.
I would rather have a long battle that ends with me winning but limping away from it.
However, I can understand that people like and prefer that. Btw, nice hitting Matador with that Attack, that is truly impressive.
Idk man, if that long battle ends in a loss then that kills my interest. If you're gonna have a battle where you struggle for 200 turns and survive by the skin of your teeth then it better be an endgame boss. When it comes to an early game boss like Matador I'd rather be put in my place with a quick stab through the heart and learn from the experience instantly instead of sitting pretty while I bleed out slowly for 40 turns.
What? You're talking as if games like dark souls doesn't have "test runs" 😂
If you die to a boss it's inevitable to fight that boss again but you would already know most of his attack patterns, If you don't want that then you should quit when you die 😂😂
@@gaspenpayne6755 I'm sure people out there find test runs in DS to be frustrating too. It's not like he said it's such a terrible thing, just frustrating
tangentially related, but I think the main difference for an action RPG like DS and a test run in JRPGs is that you might have to grind after you learn about the boss's affinities, whereas in an action RPG you can learn the patterns without grinding. Not like that's necessarily a perfect solution either since plenty of people quit and never go back to dark souls
@@Astric24 he said he'd rather have a long battle and end up winning without exploiting the boss, but that can only happen if you did it first try no deaths, because if you fight the boss and then you die, you automatically remembers their moveset and patterns so you will automatically exploit their patterns when you fight them again, you are exploiting their AI.
@@gaspenpayne6755 That's fair. For me personally idk if I'd find that particularly fun if I'm able to beat it as soon as I get a second shot, but I haven't played SMT before so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of context