Let's face it tho. If someone is brand new. Buys that set and paints them as blood angels. No warhammer Hobbyist is actually going to berate them for it are they lol. Its fine. Long as they enjoyed it.
I play Salamanders, and I used the 9th edition Assault Intercessor paint kit to kitbash a new sergeant with hand flamer and thunder hammer for my Assault Intercessors. Took a bit of work but entirely doable.
I went into my local game store yesterday and they still had a few Leviathan sets for sale. So if you're having a hard time finding them on line, maybe check the smaller stores near you. It's also nice to support the businesses where you may be playing.
My local GW store still has 10. Thinking about it, but price in Aus is $420. Not cheap, but is still cheap compared to if you have to buy everything separately
You can get a little 1000pt Thousand Sons army out of the regular starter set if you want: Terminator Sorcerer (from Captain) Winged DPrince (from Winged Prime) 5 Rubrics w/warpflamers (from Infernus Marines) 5 Scarab Termies w/ Soulreaper and Havoc Launcher (from termies + teleporter pod) 20 Tzaangor (from Termagants) 2 Chaos Spawn (from Leapers) 1 Mutalith Vortex Beast (from Psychophage). Chuck an Arcane Vortex on the DP for some tasty melee, a Tele Crystal on the Sorcerer, and you're good to go. A bit of light shooting, a bit of melee, a bit of objective control, a bit of teleporting, a smattering of magic. 970pts of fairly useful troops, all in one box, with minimal converting needed, mostly just clipping off claws/arms or gluing claws/sprue pieces to the psychophage or termies/termagants for kopeshes/chainswords. You'll even have a Leaper body left over for bits (or a Shaman?), and the ripper swarms. Cut up the box, and use some sprue pieces for terrain. £65 for a 1000pts army. Bargain!
For future army expansion, you'll probably be able to pick up psychophages and Infernus marines really cheaply pretty soon. Add in an Ahriman for a bit more magic, and you'll be at 1500-2000pts in no time. If you don't want the Tzaangor, you could always just use them as 2x10 Blue Horrors (with individual rippers as Brimstone Horrors) for a bit of infiltration, or paint one half pink and the other half blue and the rippers orange/red, so you've got heaps of options on how to use them. Just clip off the weapons and tails and the odd arm here or there, hit them with a lighter for a few seconds, and you're done. You could turn the Leapers into 3x Tzeentch Flamers pretty easily as well, if you don't want the spawn. You do have all those termagant weapons you just clipped off for the horrors, just waiting to be all flamer-like. Or make them as 3x Exalted Flamers, if you're trying to boost points on the way to 2000 (adds a smidgen more reasonable firepower too). Sure, you'll need some new bases, but you did just buy a cardboard box and a play-mat you'll probably never use for anything other than terrain making.... Soulreaper cannons are surprisingly easy to make from a bunch of toothpicks glued together, so chuck one in the rubric squad, and add one to your slightly overcosted Daemon Prince while you're at it as well, just so it looks nice and 1kSons'y. Gold weapons works wonders for that 🙂
Still, with the Pink/ Blue Horrors and Flamers/ Exalteds option, you've got multiple ways of playing this army and heaps of deployment options with maybe/deepstrike, all from that one £65 box. Change the character enhancements to taste (you can just barely Doombolt something if you want, but it'll take a few more points than 1000 if you want to turn off armour saves for a moment. Unless you grab Ahriman. So it's still justified on the addiction of wh40k).
You forgot about Paints & Tools set! It got decent selection of colors (13 pots, tho no yellow or green? Sigmar or 9th ed set may be better depending on your needs!) and some good tools to start with (you basically get 2-3 pots and tools for free).
Ehhh the file is kind of a joke tbh. The clippers are serviceable though. You'd be better off getting your files from army painter and getting some brushes from Micheals. Just get colors relevent to what your actually collecting since they'll dry out.
@@keyanklupacs6333 I assume you mean mould removal tool, it's similar to card scraper. You "shave" model with it, and from what I tried at my local GW it's serviceable (I made better tool from cheap drill handle and carbide CNC 20 degree V-shape router bit tho).
I contacted GW and they confirmed that the waterslide transfers seen in the Leviathan box are included in all three main starter sets, the image of which is on those products, but not listed in the description.
@@humbertogarcia344 not really mate, I couldn't find anywhere close by that sells/plays (I'm in South Africa). But once again my birthday is soon, just after yours (August), so I'm gonna check again, thanks for reminding me!
honestly that they have paints inside is really an good upgrade to the past versions but from figures its weaker in my opinion because the 9th recruit edition offered 2 really cool special figures for both teams ON top the 5 marines and 10 necrons also 3 of thoose spiders and the 9th recruit edition was cheaper.
@@brandonransley7091 that is a fair point but painting is a big part of warhammer you cant deny that and maybe they want more people to paint (so more people can buy their overpriced paints etc lol) so its not a bad thing itself but the recruit edition 10th have less cool figures and is even more expensive wich is stupid in my opinion
Managed to snag the last copy of Leviathan from a local game store this week for £140. The volume and quality of the models is incredibly impressive but it's missing... dice. I've got plenty of D6 from other games but I thought it was really weird that they're not included.
Great coverage. I just picked up the starter set to dip my toes in. Also my local game store has at least 4 Leviathan boxes on their shelves, so still in stock in some places. Although they charge full MSRP for them.
Note that if you decide to just get the Starter Set and buy the Termie Librarian and Barbgaunts separately, and you don’t care about the terrain and the core rules, you are saving some money compared to the Ultimate set. Doubly so if you buy them from third party sites where the seller is breaking apart their Leviathan set.
I kind of disagree with your take: The starter set is a trap imho. Why? They aren't combat patrol sized, which is the get-into-warhammer game size. If you want want to add the librarian (24 pound) and the barbgaunts (27.50 pound) you are paying 116,5 which is AWFULLY close to the 125 pound the Ultimate starter set will cost you. Keep in mind the rules aren't the core rules but starter rules, there is 0 actual terrain in it AND the gaming mat is a paper sheet instead of cardboard. I do know you said 'if you don't care about terrain and rules' but most new players, which the *starter* set, targets will care. So yes, technically you are right but from a starter point of view you are almost paying the same amount of money (6.8% difference) to get a lot less value. Even as a non new player who just happens to like these armies: 8,5 pound for terrain is a steal (even if it IS boring and lackluster terrain) Anyway just my point of view!
@@Morrodin182 Uh? I mean, $20 lower is still cheaper. Otherwise, the core rules are negligible considering they're free online and nothing's stopping you from printing them out. And the terrain, if you're really cash-strapped, you could just make use of whatever's in your house. And that's without getting into third party sites. From the people breaking apart their Leviathan boxes, Barbgaunts I'm seeing go from $30-$35 and the Termie Librarian go from $28-$30 if you wanted to save even more.
@@tastiGMmaster2099 As I said, you are technically right it is cheaper but: - it is not 20 dollar cheaper when you use GW prices but more in the range of 10 to 12 bucks. - The core rules book can have value as you don't need to print them out yourself. Ink isn't for free and some people (like me) prefer physical rules over digital. - Terrain: yes you can make free terrain. I actually enjoy creating my own terrain. On the other hand GW terrain comes at a certain cost. - You could even argue that if you buy the ultimate box and sell the terrain + terrainboards + rules you could save money AND still have two full combat patrols. - Yes you can buy from third party stores but from those same third parties stores the ultimate box will also come with a reduced price. Just do the math: 125 pound for the ultimate starter - 35 pound for the terrain (bunker + walls retails from GW for 52,5 pound) - 20 pound of the boards (GW asks 35 pound for terrain boards) - 10 pound for the rules (GW asks 15 pounds for the only-rules book) equals paying 60 pound, which is a lower price than the normal starter and you still have the extra troops to round out the combat patrol. So, once again when I look at these different boxes and do the breakdown, I have to disagree with your take.
@@Morrodin182 “it is not $20 cheaper when you use GW prices” What? Yes it is. $110 (Starter set) + $38 (Termie Librarian) + $45 (Barbgaunts) = $193 are the GW prices.
@@tastiGMmaster2099 Yeah if you use dollars directly i guess you are 'right'. Well kind of, as it is $17 ;). I used pounds and then converted the difference to dollar, which is why I end up on a difference of about 10 to 12 dollar (depending on conversion rate). Anyway that doesn't invalidate all the rest that I wrote. It is a bit sad really that you choose to focus on what essentially is just a detail and ignore the plain fact that the starter is a much worse deal than the ultimate starter. Just to point it out once more, 210 dollar for ultimate starter gives you: - warhammer rules worth $25 - Battlezone fronteris STC-Hab bunker and stockades worth $85 - 2x cardboard battleground worth $60 - Librarian in terminator armor worth $38 - Barbgaunts worth $45 - Everything else the regular starter gives. In total you pay 100 dollar more but you receive 253 dollar more worth of product. If you sell the rulebook, the bunker + stockades and the battleground (170 dollar GW retail price) you can easily recuperate the 100 dollar price difference.
I planned on turning the SM in the ultimate edition into my Dark Angels, plus a big bonus of Tyranids and more terrain that I collect. Every single part of that box is made for me lol
@@hammertimegunzablaze2952 I hope you're having a good time getting your collection going. There is a retailer in the UK called The Troll Trader with some reasonable prices and shipping rates. If you're buying several units and paints,, you can save a good bit of money. I wish I'd known it early on. Good luck!
Old 3rd Ed Eldar player here, Leviathan was just the excuse I needed to come back to the game and try and rope up my wife and kids to get in. 😂 Both the Marine and Tyranids will need quite a lot to bring them to playable 2000 army, but for now, they are alright Combat Patrol. Cheers.
I'm just looking to come back after having played 3rd and 4th in my youth... kids are 6 and 7 so I'm trying to develop their painting and get away from pokemon cards to tabletop games. Thinking an ultimate starter for them and a grey knight combat patrol for myself... maybe ha ha
Thank you for this analysis! Maybe in the future I would want to buy a starter set, as getting someting shipped to the region I live (Latinamerica) is not so easy task.
Ultimate is worthwhile I think if you didn't get Leviathan. But it doesn't have near the value the 9th edition boxes due to many of them being the same sprues as in the stand alone boxes.
It's so frustrating to me that the starter set is *just* short of the full combat patrol. It's such a good deal and the price jump between it and the ultimate is huge. Feels like a real shame in all honesty. They're still amazing value however
Thankfully it does seem like if you get Starter Set and buy the Barbgaunts and Termie Librarian separately, it’s still cheaper than buying the Ultimate Set if you don’t care about the terrain or the rule book, so should be all good.
The Starter set in my currency is $150, you miss one space marine and five nids but the price of both Combat patrols together is $530. So it's an amazing deal no matter how you look at it.
Thanks, Auspex. I was thinking about getting the Starter set. No such thing as "too many tyranids". Lol. Not sure what to do with the marines; I was thinking about saving them and repurpose them IF we get the EC codex this year.
I wonder how long it will take for the masses to realize the very insidious (probably intended) side effect of 10th free wargear change: It means that the monopose kits you often find in starter boxes will contain incomplete units. The gaunts you are getting in there are literally incomplete since they are lacking the free special weapons the kit now have.
@@dracothedragonyoutube4376 They wont. We literally already have the sprues, we have leviathan and the starters will use the same, it will be the same sprues.
Honestly, after seeing the previews of the new Tyranid multi part models, it’s hard to get excited about these push-fit mono-pose models. They’re going to be a little obsolete after the codexes drop in a month or two.
Hi Mr Tactics, are you planning to do a video ranking the combat patrols? I just tried the custodes one and it was terrible! Would be good to see which ones are better.
I know this is a year on but Im just getting into warhammer, do you think it's a good idea to grab the starter set and some paints, or just the intro set?
Yeah the starter is great since you can play with a friend. Get the 'Paint and tool' set (the one with 13 paints), throw the brush in the bin and buy a can of primer and you're set.
GW finally offers a legit intro for their game, $5 less than a new video game. GW knew what they were doing, because the individual SM/Nids paint sets are still viable to be purchased along side the intro set for new players looking to get into the game quick with moderately painted, detailed, and based models. For new SM players, I would recommend getting the intro set and 2 SM paint sets. Having a 10 man infernus sqaud with an extra as a test model is a great way to start. From the paints you get, you have the start to a good handful of main/succesor/custom chapters, so buyng an extra paint or 2 is much better than buying all of these individually. Cant say the same for the Nids though. You would need 4 paint sets to get another squad of termaguants. However, because Nids are a horde army, all those extra paints actually might come in handy depending on what hive fleet or custom fleet you go with. I just wouldnt recommend getting 4 sets at the start unless youre really set on Nids as your army for a long time. Maybe just buy one or 2 for the paint and periodically buy 2 more as you no doubt will run out of paint fast with those guys and eventually youll have another unit of termagaunts
I've just returned my copy of Leviathan to get the ultimate starter. For someone with no terrain or boards it's a no brainer. It includes everything to jump into the combat patrols and a handy rules book, whereas with leviathan I get a giant limited edition book which is a pain to game with and not everything I need to play for MORE money haha
Leviathan overall I think is still better value, it's not even close. GW terrains are overpriced as hell, there are tons of tutorials on how to make your own terrain with basically garbage lying around the house, and a board costs next to nothing to make too; The code rule book can be downloaded and printed out for free, if you don't want to drag the big book around, and there is even a youtuber who turned the core rules and stat cards into pdf for people to download as they please; dice and ruler costs almost nothing to get; With the ulti set you're missing the neurogaunts, the screamer killer, neurotyrant, apothecary biologis, sternguard veterans, the lieutenant, and a giant ass dreadnaught, all while saving only $40.
@@Markynaz Of course it’s better value as you go up, in general. But not for what I want. ultimate starter cost me €144. Terrain and a physical rule book is practically free lol
Kind of the opposite. A whole unit of special weapon gants is a waste, but you would get great mileage from 1 box of special-gants and 3 very cheap sprues of fleshborer gants and mixing them up. Anyone that had the foresight to pick up cheap Leviathan termagants the last couple of weeks from ebay is ecstatic (they were like £6-7 for a while).
I ordered the Introductory Set simply because I don't have any of those paint colours(I typically buy Vallejo and AK), and I am a paint whore. Love my nids too, so there is that.
well i would agree to that ( but more like 40-50% percent for what it is in the end but still) but they made their products even more expensive now lol i mean look at the recruit box you could have bought the 9th edition box for 40 euros wich was fine but now the 10th edition is 15 euros more expensive even when it offers less minis (and less cooler minis...)
@@godot1785 I still remember when they spat into Orc and Goblins players when 8th ed Army Book came out. Month before it a box of 19 Orc Boys was for 20 pounds or sth and after the release it was cut to 10 models in a box... for the same price. Then they did it the same with Dire Avengers. And don't get me started on the Failcast price hike. 40-50% would be even more fair but it's GW so we won't see it.
Combat patrols are $160 US each, and you get two full ones for $210 along with the rules and some basic terrain. As far as GW stuff goes, this is pretty good actually.
I think people forget that leviathan and indomitus, are for the players who will happily drop 150 pounds for a box of minis. These starter sets are mostly bought by a parent or a friend.
The paint set marines have raised Ultramarine pauldrons not the generic flat pauldrons, so you really cant paint them up as Blood Angels for example.
It takes a bit of extra work with a file and some sanding sticks but it is possible; I did it to some smurf assualt intercessors in the past.
I've cleaned off a bit of that kind of stuff before, it really just takes time and care.
Let's face it tho. If someone is brand new. Buys that set and paints them as blood angels. No warhammer Hobbyist is actually going to berate them for it are they lol. Its fine. Long as they enjoyed it.
@@richarddixon1450you'd be surprised... there are sadly some gatekeepers in this hobby...
I play Salamanders, and I used the 9th edition Assault Intercessor paint kit to kitbash a new sergeant with hand flamer and thunder hammer for my Assault Intercessors. Took a bit of work but entirely doable.
I went into my local game store yesterday and they still had a few Leviathan sets for sale. So if you're having a hard time finding them on line, maybe check the smaller stores near you. It's also nice to support the businesses where you may be playing.
Same happened to me. They’re definitely sitting around here and there
My local GW store still has 10. Thinking about it, but price in Aus is $420. Not cheap, but is still cheap compared to if you have to buy everything separately
You can get a little 1000pt Thousand Sons army out of the regular starter set if you want:
Terminator Sorcerer (from Captain)
Winged DPrince (from Winged Prime)
5 Rubrics w/warpflamers (from Infernus Marines)
5 Scarab Termies w/ Soulreaper and Havoc Launcher (from termies + teleporter pod)
20 Tzaangor (from Termagants)
2 Chaos Spawn (from Leapers)
1 Mutalith Vortex Beast (from Psychophage).
Chuck an Arcane Vortex on the DP for some tasty melee, a Tele Crystal on the Sorcerer, and you're good to go. A bit of light shooting, a bit of melee, a bit of objective control, a bit of teleporting, a smattering of magic. 970pts of fairly useful troops, all in one box, with minimal converting needed, mostly just clipping off claws/arms or gluing claws/sprue pieces to the psychophage or termies/termagants for kopeshes/chainswords. You'll even have a Leaper body left over for bits (or a Shaman?), and the ripper swarms. Cut up the box, and use some sprue pieces for terrain. £65 for a 1000pts army. Bargain!
For future army expansion, you'll probably be able to pick up psychophages and Infernus marines really cheaply pretty soon. Add in an Ahriman for a bit more magic, and you'll be at 1500-2000pts in no time.
If you don't want the Tzaangor, you could always just use them as 2x10 Blue Horrors (with individual rippers as Brimstone Horrors) for a bit of infiltration, or paint one half pink and the other half blue and the rippers orange/red, so you've got heaps of options on how to use them. Just clip off the weapons and tails and the odd arm here or there, hit them with a lighter for a few seconds, and you're done.
You could turn the Leapers into 3x Tzeentch Flamers pretty easily as well, if you don't want the spawn. You do have all those termagant weapons you just clipped off for the horrors, just waiting to be all flamer-like. Or make them as 3x Exalted Flamers, if you're trying to boost points on the way to 2000 (adds a smidgen more reasonable firepower too). Sure, you'll need some new bases, but you did just buy a cardboard box and a play-mat you'll probably never use for anything other than terrain making....
Soulreaper cannons are surprisingly easy to make from a bunch of toothpicks glued together, so chuck one in the rubric squad, and add one to your slightly overcosted Daemon Prince while you're at it as well, just so it looks nice and 1kSons'y. Gold weapons works wonders for that 🙂
Still, with the Pink/ Blue Horrors and Flamers/ Exalteds option, you've got multiple ways of playing this army and heaps of deployment options with maybe/deepstrike, all from that one £65 box. Change the character enhancements to taste (you can just barely Doombolt something if you want, but it'll take a few more points than 1000 if you want to turn off armour saves for a moment. Unless you grab Ahriman. So it's still justified on the addiction of wh40k).
You forgot about Paints & Tools set! It got decent selection of colors (13 pots, tho no yellow or green? Sigmar or 9th ed set may be better depending on your needs!) and some good tools to start with (you basically get 2-3 pots and tools for free).
Ehhh the file is kind of a joke tbh. The clippers are serviceable though. You'd be better off getting your files from army painter and getting some brushes from Micheals. Just get colors relevent to what your actually collecting since they'll dry out.
@@keyanklupacs6333 I assume you mean mould removal tool, it's similar to card scraper. You "shave" model with it, and from what I tried at my local GW it's serviceable (I made better tool from cheap drill handle and carbide CNC 20 degree V-shape router bit tho).
Slight correction, Leviathan costs 200€ and not 160, maybe a bad copy paste from the ultimate starter set, otherwise, prerty cool video.
Auspex truly never sleeps. The amount of videos, and all of them quality content, is amazing! Thank you Auspex!
Only in death does recording end
Its literally just a powerpoint presentation
@@sleepiestagent Power point presentations still take time
I wish he would go Night mode though. I'd like to still be able to see what I paint, before I hit 40.
Well , I was never a Nid fan , but these new models have made me decide to get the starter set , and some Genestealers later on for Space Hulk games.
I contacted GW and they confirmed that the waterslide transfers seen in the Leviathan box are included in all three main starter sets, the image of which is on those products, but not listed in the description.
Oh man, and my birthday is in a month , and I’ve always wanted to get into the game
i am at this point in my lif right now, my BD is in july and i want to get in this hobby so bad, where you able to do it?
@@humbertogarcia344 not really mate, I couldn't find anywhere close by that sells/plays (I'm in South Africa). But once again my birthday is soon, just after yours (August), so I'm gonna check again, thanks for reminding me!
@@DrMocktopus1 happy hunting
I pre-ordered the ultimate starter set. It will give me the most value with the terrain and mats plus two full combat patrols.
so many of the starter sets have infernus marines, it's so strange that the paint starter does not have green to paint them as Salamanders instead...
And they'd save money by not having to include a skin tone
honestly that they have paints inside is really an good upgrade to the past versions but from figures its weaker in my opinion because the 9th recruit edition offered 2 really cool special figures for both teams ON top the 5 marines and 10 necrons also 3 of thoose spiders and the 9th recruit edition was cheaper.
Yeah, I think having a box that gives you some models, Paints and basic tools makes a ton of sense.
Why is paints a really good upgrade? What if you're new to the hobby but don't specifically want to paint UM or Leviathan?
@@brandonransley7091 that is a fair point but painting is a big part of warhammer you cant deny that and maybe they want more people to paint (so more people can buy their overpriced paints etc lol) so its not a bad thing itself but the recruit edition 10th have less cool figures and is even more expensive wich is stupid in my opinion
I'll go for them.
Especially the Starter Set, and the Ultimate Starter Set.
all of my local stores have 10+ leviathan boxes... safe to say they are available in MA
..MA, as in Magdeburg?
@@strandalx Massachusetts
@@IHADTHECAKE thanks 👍
Just wondering were they cheaper than normal or more expensive than release price?
Managed to snag the last copy of Leviathan from a local game store this week for £140. The volume and quality of the models is incredibly impressive but it's missing... dice. I've got plenty of D6 from other games but I thought it was really weird that they're not included.
Great coverage. I just picked up the starter set to dip my toes in. Also my local game store has at least 4 Leviathan boxes on their shelves, so still in stock in some places. Although they charge full MSRP for them.
Cheers Auspex. Excellent work as ever mate.
Note that if you decide to just get the Starter Set and buy the Termie Librarian and Barbgaunts separately, and you don’t care about the terrain and the core rules, you are saving some money compared to the Ultimate set. Doubly so if you buy them from third party sites where the seller is breaking apart their Leviathan set.
I kind of disagree with your take: The starter set is a trap imho. Why? They aren't combat patrol sized, which is the get-into-warhammer game size. If you want want to add the librarian (24 pound) and the barbgaunts (27.50 pound) you are paying 116,5 which is AWFULLY close to the 125 pound the Ultimate starter set will cost you.
Keep in mind the rules aren't the core rules but starter rules, there is 0 actual terrain in it AND the gaming mat is a paper sheet instead of cardboard. I do know you said 'if you don't care about terrain and rules' but most new players, which the *starter* set, targets will care. So yes, technically you are right but from a starter point of view you are almost paying the same amount of money (6.8% difference) to get a lot less value. Even as a non new player who just happens to like these armies: 8,5 pound for terrain is a steal (even if it IS boring and lackluster terrain)
Anyway just my point of view!
@@Morrodin182 Uh? I mean, $20 lower is still cheaper.
Otherwise, the core rules are negligible considering they're free online and nothing's stopping you from printing them out. And the terrain, if you're really cash-strapped, you could just make use of whatever's in your house.
And that's without getting into third party sites. From the people breaking apart their Leviathan boxes, Barbgaunts I'm seeing go from $30-$35 and the Termie Librarian go from $28-$30 if you wanted to save even more.
@@tastiGMmaster2099 As I said, you are technically right it is cheaper but:
- it is not 20 dollar cheaper when you use GW prices but more in the range of 10 to 12 bucks.
- The core rules book can have value as you don't need to print them out yourself. Ink isn't for free and some people (like me) prefer physical rules over digital.
- Terrain: yes you can make free terrain. I actually enjoy creating my own terrain. On the other hand GW terrain comes at a certain cost.
- You could even argue that if you buy the ultimate box and sell the terrain + terrainboards + rules you could save money AND still have two full combat patrols.
- Yes you can buy from third party stores but from those same third parties stores the ultimate box will also come with a reduced price.
Just do the math: 125 pound for the ultimate starter - 35 pound for the terrain (bunker + walls retails from GW for 52,5 pound) - 20 pound of the boards (GW asks 35 pound for terrain boards) - 10 pound for the rules (GW asks 15 pounds for the only-rules book) equals paying 60 pound, which is a lower price than the normal starter and you still have the extra troops to round out the combat patrol.
So, once again when I look at these different boxes and do the breakdown, I have to disagree with your take.
@@Morrodin182 “it is not $20 cheaper when you use GW prices”
What? Yes it is. $110 (Starter set) + $38 (Termie Librarian) + $45 (Barbgaunts) = $193 are the GW prices.
@@tastiGMmaster2099 Yeah if you use dollars directly i guess you are 'right'. Well kind of, as it is $17 ;). I used pounds and then converted the difference to dollar, which is why I end up on a difference of about 10 to 12 dollar (depending on conversion rate).
Anyway that doesn't invalidate all the rest that I wrote. It is a bit sad really that you choose to focus on what essentially is just a detail and ignore the plain fact that the starter is a much worse deal than the ultimate starter.
Just to point it out once more, 210 dollar for ultimate starter gives you:
- warhammer rules worth $25
- Battlezone fronteris STC-Hab bunker and stockades worth $85
- 2x cardboard battleground worth $60
- Librarian in terminator armor worth $38
- Barbgaunts worth $45
- Everything else the regular starter gives.
In total you pay 100 dollar more but you receive 253 dollar more worth of product. If you sell the rulebook, the bunker + stockades and the battleground (170 dollar GW retail price) you can easily recuperate the 100 dollar price difference.
I planned on turning the SM in the ultimate edition into my Dark Angels, plus a big bonus of Tyranids and more terrain that I collect. Every single part of that box is made for me lol
Seeing all this, I'm thankful that I'm an advanced hobbyist and that I don't have to "start" warhammer from zero.
I started back again earlier this year. Has been a learning curve and getting stuff to ,9th then tenth in a short period of time
@@hammertimegunzablaze2952 I hope you're having a good time getting your collection going. There is a retailer in the UK called The Troll Trader with some reasonable prices and shipping rates. If you're buying several units and paints,, you can save a good bit of money. I wish I'd known it early on. Good luck!
Old 3rd Ed Eldar player here, Leviathan was just the excuse I needed to come back to the game and try and rope up my wife and kids to get in. 😂
Both the Marine and Tyranids will need quite a lot to bring them to playable 2000 army, but for now, they are alright Combat Patrol. Cheers.
I'm just looking to come back after having played 3rd and 4th in my youth... kids are 6 and 7 so I'm trying to develop their painting and get away from pokemon cards to tabletop games. Thinking an ultimate starter for them and a grey knight combat patrol for myself... maybe ha ha
Leviathan book also has crusade. Core book does not. Crusade is a great way for new players to build their armies.
Thank you for this analysis! Maybe in the future I would want to buy a starter set, as getting someting shipped to the region I live (Latinamerica) is not so easy task.
New termigaunt box might come out being 70$ with the rest fo the infantry kits though, if so then the intro box seems great value to pick up
Noob question, is the space marine/Tyranid starter boxes replacing the space marine/necron boxes?
Already has, at least on GW website. Whether or not you can find them in the wild is a different story.
Auspex gonna need a vacation after this start of 10th lol
Pre ordered the starter set. All new models and its just good value. Maybe not as good value overall as leviathan set. But I dont need that many nids
I've lucked out the Termagant set is 90% useful. Only the Corax White is spare & its white wont go to waste :D
Great vid yet again, thanks man!
Ultimate is worthwhile I think if you didn't get Leviathan. But it doesn't have near the value the 9th edition boxes due to many of them being the same sprues as in the stand alone boxes.
Hy all, random question here
For 9th ed GW started the imperium magazine. Do we know anything similar for 10th?
Not at the moment. Maybe next year when stormbringer finishes?
It's so frustrating to me that the starter set is *just* short of the full combat patrol. It's such a good deal and the price jump between it and the ultimate is huge. Feels like a real shame in all honesty. They're still amazing value however
Thankfully it does seem like if you get Starter Set and buy the Barbgaunts and Termie Librarian separately, it’s still cheaper than buying the Ultimate Set if you don’t care about the terrain or the rule book, so should be all good.
The Starter set in my currency is $150, you miss one space marine and five nids but the price of both Combat patrols together is $530. So it's an amazing deal no matter how you look at it.
Thanks, Auspex. I was thinking about getting the Starter set. No such thing as "too many tyranids". Lol. Not sure what to do with the marines; I was thinking about saving them and repurpose them IF we get the EC codex this year.
Should I Buy Ultimate Starter Ser, or Kill Team Into the Dark ??
i wish the gaunts in the paint set came with the special weapons... because 3 gaunts is USELESS
I wonder how long it will take for the masses to realize the very insidious (probably intended) side effect of 10th free wargear change:
It means that the monopose kits you often find in starter boxes will contain incomplete units.
The gaunts you are getting in there are literally incomplete since they are lacking the free special weapons the kit now have.
I am hoping that they maybe do it like the 9th edition ones where you still have the options for those included.
@@dracothedragonyoutube4376 They wont.
We literally already have the sprues, we have leviathan and the starters will use the same, it will be the same sprues.
Honestly, after seeing the previews of the new Tyranid multi part models, it’s hard to get excited about these push-fit mono-pose models. They’re going to be a little obsolete after the codexes drop in a month or two.
Hi Mr Tactics, are you planning to do a video ranking the combat patrols? I just tried the custodes one and it was terrible! Would be good to see which ones are better.
Does the Ultimate Starter Set, includes the Tyranids and Space Marines codexes ?
No
A bunch of GW brick and mortars still have stock of leviathan
I know this is a year on but Im just getting into warhammer, do you think it's a good idea to grab the starter set and some paints, or just the intro set?
That depends on how much you interested in warhammer?
(For me I bought intro to play with my brother)
Yeah the starter is great since you can play with a friend.
Get the 'Paint and tool' set (the one with 13 paints), throw the brush in the bin and buy a can of primer and you're set.
the paint set marines have molded on ultra marines symbols which is also unhelpful
Do you think if im gettin combat payrol magazine its still worth a starter set or will i end up with to many units i dont need
Nah don't, the magazine has every single unit in the starter boxes (and you don't need doubles of most)
If anyone considers to purchase the small core rules booklet, don't! The font is tiny, almost unreadable.
GW finally offers a legit intro for their game, $5 less than a new video game. GW knew what they were doing, because the individual SM/Nids paint sets are still viable to be purchased along side the intro set for new players looking to get into the game quick with moderately painted, detailed, and based models. For new SM players, I would recommend getting the intro set and 2 SM paint sets. Having a 10 man infernus sqaud with an extra as a test model is a great way to start. From the paints you get, you have the start to a good handful of main/succesor/custom chapters, so buyng an extra paint or 2 is much better than buying all of these individually. Cant say the same for the Nids though. You would need 4 paint sets to get another squad of termaguants. However, because Nids are a horde army, all those extra paints actually might come in handy depending on what hive fleet or custom fleet you go with. I just wouldnt recommend getting 4 sets at the start unless youre really set on Nids as your army for a long time. Maybe just buy one or 2 for the paint and periodically buy 2 more as you no doubt will run out of paint fast with those guys and eventually youll have another unit of termagaunts
Why are the boards so incredibly tiny?
How many points is ultimate edition?
Space marines (425)
Captain in terminator armour 95
Librarian in Terminator Armour 75
Terminator Squad 175
Infernus squad 80
Tyranids (450)
Winged Tyranid Prime 65
Psychopage 95
Von Ryan Leapers 75
Barbgaunts 55
Termagants 120
Swarm Reapers 40
I've just returned my copy of Leviathan to get the ultimate starter. For someone with no terrain or boards it's a no brainer. It includes everything to jump into the combat patrols and a handy rules book, whereas with leviathan I get a giant limited edition book which is a pain to game with and not everything I need to play for MORE money haha
Leviathan overall I think is still better value, it's not even close.
GW terrains are overpriced as hell, there are tons of tutorials on how to make your own terrain with basically garbage lying around the house, and a board costs next to nothing to make too; The code rule book can be downloaded and printed out for free, if you don't want to drag the big book around, and there is even a youtuber who turned the core rules and stat cards into pdf for people to download as they please; dice and ruler costs almost nothing to get;
With the ulti set you're missing the neurogaunts, the screamer killer, neurotyrant, apothecary biologis, sternguard veterans, the lieutenant, and a giant ass dreadnaught, all while saving only $40.
@@Markynaz Of course it’s better value as you go up, in general. But not for what I want. ultimate starter cost me €144. Terrain and a physical rule book is practically free lol
With the announcement of new Termagant weapon options these sets may be dead on arrival
Kind of the opposite.
A whole unit of special weapon gants is a waste, but you would get great mileage from 1 box of special-gants and 3 very cheap sprues of fleshborer gants and mixing them up. Anyone that had the foresight to pick up cheap Leviathan termagants the last couple of weeks from ebay is ecstatic (they were like £6-7 for a while).
I ordered the Introductory Set simply because I don't have any of those paint colours(I typically buy Vallejo and AK), and I am a paint whore. Love my nids too, so there is that.
Cut the prices of all GW products by 25% - 35% and then they will be priced ok.
well i would agree to that ( but more like 40-50% percent for what it is in the end but still) but they made their products even more expensive now lol i mean look at the recruit box you could have bought the 9th edition box for 40 euros wich was fine but now the 10th edition is 15 euros more expensive even when it offers less minis (and less cooler minis...)
Wish granted! Just don't buy directly from GW!
@@godot1785 I still remember when they spat into Orc and Goblins players when 8th ed Army Book came out. Month before it a box of 19 Orc Boys was for 20 pounds or sth and after the release it was cut to 10 models in a box... for the same price. Then they did it the same with Dire Avengers. And don't get me started on the Failcast price hike. 40-50% would be even more fair but it's GW so we won't see it.
@@PeteOfDarkness I never do ❤
Maus vs Type 5
Just got out the hospital. I would never get this. I'm joining 3d printer crew f this
I am sorry, but the prices are just too high to justify most of these. Not enough models and they are padding then with other stuff to compensate.
Combat patrols are $160 US each, and you get two full ones for $210 along with the rules and some basic terrain. As far as GW stuff goes, this is pretty good actually.
I think people forget that leviathan and indomitus, are for the players who will happily drop 150 pounds for a box of minis.
These starter sets are mostly bought by a parent or a friend.
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Very new to 40k, don't even have a single product yet.
Is there any reason why I wouldn't want to save $800 by 3d printing.