Unlocking the Fuzz Face with a Tube Screamer
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- In this video I demonstrate the capability of combining two distinctly different pedals. Hopefully seeing this will inspire you to try out different variations. Let me know if you like this idea and want me to try and other combos. Peace.
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The key to classic fuzz is that it needs to be running into an amp that is breaking up. If you’re running into a clean amp then run your classic fuzz into an overdrive. Once you learn the secrets and basic tricks to using fuzz then your guitar life will be forever changed. I didn’t get along with fuzz for years until I finally learned how to use it. Now it is my absolute favorite!
Fuzz and compression - the two pedals that most guitarists don't understand.
What are your secrets ❤
@@5weating_8ullets, I shouldn’t call them secrets but I do believe most guitarists do not know how to use a classic style fuzz. The most important thing is that it needs to be put in front of an amp that’s just on the edge of breakup. If you have a good amp that has a great sounding overdrive when pushed (my main amp is a Marshall 1962HW) then you will be able to use your guitars volume knob to go from glassy clean sounds, to several layers of overdrive, to total bombs exploding chaos..Obviously, you have to have a good classic style fuzz. I usually use my red-dot fuzz side of my Analogman Sunlion..but there are many brilliant fuzz pedals available. I gave up on fuzz when I first began playing. Because I couldn’t get those beautiful tones I heard on records. I didn’t know how to use it..I think most players nowadays don’t understand or like fuzz because their experience comes from fuzz in modelers. Which only do full on fuzz sounds. They don’t give you all of the nuanced tones of a real classic fuzz pedal..A real fuzz pedal is almost like a seperate instrument in itself.
Every time you “get the idea” take a drink.
i’m wasted
Guys, why are giving dislikes? Man loves Hendrix and is playing well!
I have oldschool japaneese Tubescreamer 808 and put it after fuzzface to use it like booster for middle after the fuzz)
Because the recording sounds like shit and I can hear the strings louder than the damn amp
@@colinsmith5879 Quite your whining and make your own superexcellent video.
@@richietownsend6737 🤣👍
Most informative video, Dude! Never mind what some rude comments say. I’ve had TS9 and I don’t own distortion pedals. My Fuzz Face BOG’s just arrived today and I haven’t had a chance to add on my pedalboard. You’ve certainly answered all my questions with this clear and concise video. And, yes, I’m putting the TS9 feeding my fuzz face. Trust your own instincts. You should do what sounds good to you. Keep up the great videos. Peace & Love. Greer from Georgia.
I was surprised how fuzz pedals open with a booster, and I was like, wait, there is tubescreamer! This is exactly what I was thinking it would sound, thank you
Rock God playing in sweet sweet moccasin slippers. BEAST MODE.
Love it. I use a really thick fuzz and then slowly roll a tube screamer up in front of it for clarity.
Very cool. My fuzz face is on the way and my tube screamer is waiting so I'm looking forward to combining them.
Thanks
I always stack and boost pedals. Reversing the usual order too works well,eg- Tube screamer into a overdrive. I usually boost the TS with overdrive but they sound amazing swapped
Personally I'd use the fuzz with more gain and roll back the volume on the guitar to clean up the sound. I wouldn't use the tube skreamer in this scenario but if I did it would have next to no gain dialed and just used for a subtle boost.
Basically all sounded clean to my ears!
Good combo on pedals!!!
*Try turning the tubescreamer gain all the way down just using it's volume only into fuzz with it's gain set at it's sweet spot. That's what SRV did. Nice playing👍✌❤🎶*
Maybe he doesn’t wanna be SRV
@@josh05683 *If you did the same thing someone else did you are still you, not them. There is only one you.*
@@mikebledsoe2315 I don’t though thats the thing
@@josh05683 *"?-"😗*
@@josh05683 Arguing for the sake of arguing.
Cool playing, inspiring vid, will try that chain as soon as possible
Sweet thing as well when boosting a high gain amp. Instead of just a boost, throw in a fuzz with relaxed settings and it will do magic to your tone.
I just tried this with a tube screamer mini into a Mxr 108 classic fuzz into a nobels ODR, really a great way to stack!
the strings are louder than your amp
Remove video .. take another one. How to Unlock string voices video.
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Great video 👍
OK, OK, I get the idea!
Great video! As you said no other video like this, thank you!
Cool video. The sound quality is way better than I would expect through a telephone, and I was pretty surprised when you said that was all you were using.
I don't have a real Fuzz Face or Tube Screamer, but I like to use my Fuzz Face and Tube Screamer clones (Fulltone '69 and Electro-Harmonix East River Drive) in that order too. A lot of people are afraid to put anything in front of a Fuzz Face-style pedal. For sure, there are certain pedals that don't sound good in front of certain fuzzes, but a lot of times it's fine, just like you demonstrated in this video.
The way TS-style pedals cut all the lows and highs makes everything sound too boxy to me when it's after a fuzz, but it's a lot more subtle before the fuzz. I like the way allows me to use a very fuzzy guitar sound, and still retain a bit of definition. On the fuzz pedal, I set the fuzz control to the maximum value and the volume to whatever I want the final volume to be. On the TS-style pedal, the drive set to zero, and the volume set to unity with the clean signal, and the tone control is set as close as I can get to neutral, so all the pedal is doing is reshaping the EQ before it goes into the fuzz.
Hiya Andy....Glad I came across your helpful video. I have been considering the FuzzFace. I already have the TS9. Your video made up my mind for me....Get the FuzzFace is what I'm gonna do. I like what you have done with the combination, great sound.
I think the reason this combination isn't talked about very often, is that it won't sound this good with most fuzz faces. The Band of Gypsys Fuzz has quite a different circuit than your typical fuzz face, and it has an entirely different input stage, which probably makes it play much nicer with the pedals that you put before it.
Most pedals in front of your typical fuzz face will make it sound kind of awful, which is a common problem with fuzz faces (with a lot of fuzz pedals actually).
So that's why it's often recommended to put your fuzz pedals to the front of the chain
I thought FF pedals liked to be first in the chain, especially germanium FF. I like to boost my Muff pedals after and a light mid-boosted OD *after* a Fuzz is awesome too.
They do
Yep
Doesn't matter if it's ge or si, the input impedance of all normal fuzz faces is 10k, this is why they generally don't work well with pedals in front of them. It's also why you can barely touch the volume on the guitar and it cleans up.
I do a SD1 into a big muff. Such a good sound.
No one did videos about it because Eric Johnson already shown the world everything that this combination could ever hope to achieve.
I got the idea 😁
And also if you have to play to the line there is a cheap and good way: russian premp AMT for example M1 with speaker simulator, it sounds pretty cool and costs less then 50$ and helps you not to lose the Jimi's sound)
I guess combining M1 or any other AMT Legend preamp with an EQ pedal will give better cab sound :)
Nice playin
works great with a big muff + boss super overdrive as well
I gave a like. Experimentation is very important. You are granted free will to use your pedals however they sound pleasing to you.
I use my OCD clone after my Fuzz Face. Works very well!
Get the super badass variac fuzz. It’s same circuit as BOG. But with tweakable improvements.
John Squire from Stone Roses had that exact setup too
I'm sure it's be said before in this comment section but this is the Band of Gypsys "Fuzz Face" which is NOT a Fuzz Face internally. It is the driver circuit for an Octavia and thus doesn't behave or interact like a traditional Fuzz Face.
Imo the best way to use the BOG to get those Hendrix at Woodstock and BOG tones is to run into amp already breaking up/distorting, then run the "Fuzz" setting around Noon to 3 o'clock and push the amp with the pedal's volume knob.
I didn't really think the BOG Fuzz Face sounded accurate to Jimi's but realized I was trying to use it like a traditional Fuzz Face. Watch the BOG footage and you'll see Jimi switch it on and off throughout songs instead of riding the volume like he did with Germanium Fuzz Faces.
It's a different animal than a silicon or germanium Fuzz Face.
Tone is subjective, thanks for the video man. Here’s the best advice I ever got “who gives a sh@t, put your pedals where they sound good to you.” That’s the fun of it. 🤘🏻😷🤘🏻
are you using a master volume pedal in the fx loop ?
Great vid brother, I also have a Germanium Fuzz (it´s called "The Big Jimi & Germanium Fuzz", wich is handmeade in Argentina) next to a Cinders Ovd, and they sound cool, most of all if you use the vol of the pedals at 12, and clean them with you vol knob from your guitar, very unique sound, like an always On.
Ts is an od ,so your stacking them,one or the other may have subtle differences but they are designed to push the amp into od
the tube screamer literally will tighten any amp or distortion pedal its incredible.
Yes! People hating on tube screamers are wrong, fantastic OD!!
it's funny, my first two 'drive' pedals were a bad monkey and a silicon fuzz face... I thought they sounded good but I still sold them and tried dozens of other dirt pedals. what did I eventually come back to? a tube screamer and a fuzz face.
Can you make a sound like Eric Johnson solo?
It has been said that the Fuzz Face sounds best with nothing before it but the guitar. It needs to interact with the impedance of the pickups (especially if you want to clean it up with the volume control on your guitar).
People say that, but jimi hendrix always ran the wah FIRST. ALWAYS.
People say a lot of things, doesn't mean it's true.
Just because Jimi Hendrix did it doesn't mean it's the correct way to do it. Stevie Ray Vaughan did it the other way just like I said and he was much better than Jimi Hendrix and most of the guitar world says that's the right way to do it. You need the fuzz pedal connected directly to the impedance of your pickups to operate to the optimal level and to give you that volume clean up that everyone loves. of course you can do it the opposite way it's a subjective opinion but don't think everything's perfect because Jimi Hendrix did it! Stevie Ray Vaughan was much better than Hendrix. Next level 💯 👌
Fuzz straight into guitar. Crank settings pretty high. into ts9, or any drive, and use it as a small signal boost. Just barely.
idk why everyone is complaining in the comments. Nice demo, good sound
That pedalboard.
Gotta max out the fuzz!
Man ,I do the same thing ,but I use a sd1 boss gain down volume up ,It works good with a big muff too,Itstheonly way to use those fuzz pedals,on the big muff I dont go past 10 oclock on sustain knob Its a gorgious sound ,even better with a m x r phase in front of the sd1
hmm, Ive been using an older germanium FuzzFace with a TS808 for while now, but always with the Fuzz 1st in my chain, fuzz knob cranked, volume at unity. TS808 I keep the gain pretty low (around 9 o'clock) and have the volume and tone pretty high (around 3~4 o'clock) Both the TS and the FF are usable on their own with these settings. Usually though I keep the FF on all the time and work my guitar volume. I can get a 1/2 dozen different sounds just by adjusting the knobs and pickup selector on my guitar. If I roll my volume back to about 6.5, I can nail the Hendrix-y sparkly gritty rhythm tone and then kick on the TS to fatten it up and add a bit boost it for leads. If I have my volume cranked its a woolly mammoth but I can still kick on the TS and punch up the mids to cut through the mix a bit better. It's bit counter intuitive with FuzzFaces that you actually turn your guitar volume down a hair to cut through for leads etc. I'll have to try the TS first though. I haven't till now just on the assumption the FF really likes to be first in my chain.
Interesting, I prefer TS Mini before Germanium Fuzz (SviSound) just like EJ puts TS before FF. However, it makes the fuzz less responsive to your volume knob
I thought Johnson ran a BK Butler after his FF?
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Xotic AC Booster (or the RC, for a cleaner, lighter boost) is a very versatile pedal for boosting Muffs & Fuzzes. It also works well stacked with other overdrives. I sometimes run a silicon Fuzz into the AC, or a germanium Treble Booster into same.
One of the best tones I ever achieved was:
Epiphone LP Special II >Crybaby Wah> Mi Effects Boost 'n Buff V.2>Fulltone OCD V 1.4>Xotic AC Booster>Laney VC30
The EQ controls on those Xotic pedals (RC, AC, BB) are powerful!
Having said that,you can't go wrong with a good TS808 and a Fuzz.
What's your "older germanium fuzz"? Dunlop FF? I use a couple of different ge and si Fuzzes myself
SviSound Germanium Fuzz mini
You can find a tonne of videos with a TS boosting various drive pedals.its really doing the same thing to your fuzz face as it is to any other drive. It's not an uncommon thing to do
Hi! Are you concerned at all about the buffer from the TS interfering with the Fuzz pedal? It is my understanding that buffers and fuzz pedals don’t work well together.
It wasn't an issue, so long as you have a noise gate it seems to cut out on any fuzz from the 60 cycle hum. Also, I just like tinkering around so it might work with my setup but not for all
Dude try putting the fuzz before the tube screamer
McFro95 yep! EVERYTIME! 🕶
@@dukeofpearl will it work with any kind of tube overdrive?
@@wlliamson53 I think that this works well for scooped amps such as Fenders. But for Marshalls I think that you can just use a Fuzz on its own.
Tweed Fenders also don’t need the mid push. My 5e3 sounds like his “clean tone” with the Fuzz. I’m using a DOD Carcosa as a treble boost, and/or Fuzz.
More accurately wtf. Reactive loading is how you unlock fuzz face.. With the fuzz maxed.
Crank the gain/fuzz on both pedals
your shoe looks like a tedy bears arm
The fuzz needs to see the pickups of the guitar. Put it first in the chain before even the tuner. Buffers and fuzz don’t always play well together. Your setup looks like a stacked clean boost as long as you enjoy the sound it’s making that the most important thing. The sound you’re hearing in the room doesn’t seem to come across on TH-cam.
Eric johnson used a tubescreamer first into fuzz
Hi. What pedal is better for misfits and ramones songs the fuzz face or the tube screamer ? Thanks.
RAT or DS1
Try putting the FF only, with no pedals before or after. The buffer in the TS ruins the very reason to use a fuzz face in the first place!
Rodrigo Gonzalez Scherbak he should put it in a loop
True. The tube screamer is the Fuzz Face’s enemy. Never mind Dunlop garbage. I’m taking about real pedals.
Need those mids.
Try the fuzz face before the tubescreamer, should notice a tone change. Even with the TS bypassed. FF tend to act weird when a pedal with a buffer is put before it. Took me a while to figure that out. Never thought a bypassed pedal would change the sound of that pedal that dramatically.
Andy - can I come to your place and try YOUR Dunlop mini FF? Why? Cos I went to a store today to try one AND try the fully CCW (counter clock wise) setting on the fuzz and it was terrible. Fully CCW it sounded like it was fully CW - . . . . twice around the clock! A heap of souless muddy crap!! Disappointing to say the least! (And yes I am quite comfortable with my playing ability and my ear)
But truly - it'd be great to see or at least get more info on everything you did for this cool little demo. What guitar? What amp? Amp settings? What was between the output of your guitar and the input of the amp etc etc - How about for grounding, constantly comparing the affected signal to the "dry" signal?
Or maybe it's true that two germanium transistors can sound worlds apart and that perhaps I need to try a heap of them. Does it really have to be this hard . . !!??
Sounds like there was a buffer between the pickups on your guitar and the fuzz pedal. Wireless connections count as a buffer. That means the fuzz circuit is seeing a very low impedance instead of the roughly 10k impedance of the guitar pickups.
You should run the fuzz with volume and fuzz all the way up
I get the ideal, but your univibe will sound much better 1st in chain,
Prefer fuzz on its own,great tone with the fuzz on its own.
SIMON FOLKARD depends on the amp to me. Fuzzes are very scooped and so through a similarly scooped amp like a Fender, you can get lost in the mix. But a fuzz or distortion straight through a Marshall or boogie? Different story.
@@samchoate1719 Yes you have hit the nail on the head really,all sorts of pedals are demonstrated on YT but it really depends on the amp you're feeding them into.
SIMON FOLKARD what amp and what fuzz do you use?
Hi Sam i do not own one right now but will be getting the red germanium ffm2,it just sounds nice and warm to me plus i have two single coil guitars and have heard it can sound a little better with those.I currently use a Laney Cub 10 amp.
Hey man, dont Fuzzfaces and Wahs not go together? I'd love to hear about how you get them to behave well together
You put any buffered pedal between fuzz first and wah, like a tuner, or some wah have a buffer
If Fuzz Faces and wahs don’t go together, you should travel back in time and tell Jimi Hendrix that his tone sucks.
Is he demoing the pedles or auditioning.
Just wait till you learn about the amp volume knob
try putting the fuzz in the effects chain first. Then mix them again and let me know... Obviously you have to start from a great basic sound, not like the one you have in this video! fuzzes are designed for tubes that work at a certain volume, otherwise you'll never get the desired effect.
Just out of curiosity..why Ab? Why not A? 😂😛
Which is better TS9 or TS808?
Michael Craig i prefer ts808, you'll get the warmer tone with it..
I much prefer the TS808. The British made boutique Boo TS808 clone is very good and only costs around £60.
Or you could just get a high gain amp.
You want the fuzz going into overdrive, not od into fuzz like you have it. Better yet, ditch the overdrive pedals and use your amplifiers own overdrive. It will sound better.
It's funny, 15 years I've played guitar and never owned a pedal. I just have so many amps that are broken in one way or the other that I can match most music i would want to play thru blown cones and poor 80s amp wiring.
MattyMag lmaoooo
James Santiago has a vid saying NOT to do this: Hendrix Fuzz Face Tips and Tricks
Whats wrong about him using the pedals that he bought in any way he likes to use them? right or wrong doesnt exist in having fun with a guitar. That only applies when you get paid huge loads of money to get some sort of sound for a very professional gig. Anything else just enjoy and experiment at your own pace.
@@Sunke89 true
If you use it like that that's not a fuzz face sound
I really hope the tone knowledge got better since this was posted
Bro wtf, the fuzz face fuzz control needs to be dimed, I think more people need to realize that the fuzz face is a FUZZ its supposed to be dimed after being boosted still
That is not the fuzz sound..
Lol..
It clearly gets it alive, I use my fuzz on 9
First, if you’re to record a pedal demo. The amp needs to be louder than the strings of your guitar.
Second, there’s a impedance mismatch when putting the TS808 before the fuzz.. there’s a ton of videos about it but you’ll loose some harmonics when having a impedance mismatch.
My jcm800 gets me there with no pedals
Lol that's not even a B.O.G. fuzz man 🤣
No one runs the fuzz face with fuzz at zero.....9 out of ten guys run fuzz full up....AND it is well known that if you run a buffered signal into the fuzz face you'll destroy the great fuzz face sound. BTW I've used many original FFs and presently tour with a Analogman Sunface NKT275 (white dot)
Hendrix normally put his fuzz 1st, even before his wah sometimes. But, I dont understand why you have your pots on the Strat up to 10, so your amp's clean channel is at what? Why not push your amp as far as possible and roll the volume pot DOWN on the Strat because man, it just sounds really horrible. Not your playing but the tone is just bad man and I don't mean as in bad ass but not good. But, I dont know, if you like it all that matters but my TS9 goes last before the reverb...you've never seen any youtuve video with these 2 pedals? check out Joe Bonamasa's vids or The Captain, hell I use em and I switch them around myself, stack tube screamers, Bigg Muff and OD pedals. But, the volume pot on your guitar on 10...ummm, no. Mine rarely goes above 4 or it'll start rattling the windows because my amp is at around 11-1o'clock, 2 o'clock the tubes start to distort
Literally no pictures of his fuzz first. His chain was wah then fuzz then vibe
@@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070 just going by the eye witness accounts, Ben, not swearing in a court of law. By your own statement it shows you cannot disprove it either. Slow day?
@@kinochdotcom no just going by everything I've heard. Never sounds like wah before fuzz
@@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070
I've seen a pic on a Marshall forum before and a discussion about this. I'm out having Thanksgiving right now, see if I can locate it later. Have a good one.
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Throw that fake Fuzz Face in the garbage.