Fun with Fuzz! Stacking fuzz pedals for new guitar tones
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.พ. 2018
- Here's a fun "trick" I like to use with my existing pedals to get new tones. Here I'm using a germanium fuzz face (with a battery measuring around 8 volts) and then stacking it with an overdrive to get a tone that cuts through a mix a bit more, and/or just getting an alternative fuzz tone.
I'm using the bravado amp through a the Two Notes captor into a couple of celestion impulse responses with a Whitfill strat. - เพลง
The difference between band tone and alone tone is something most younger or inexperienced players don't fully appreciate. I didn't realize how different they could be until I worked a full volume sound out with my college band and then turned it down to bedroom level the following day. All the sweetness and sustain had gone away. When I turned it back up and moved away from the amp, it came right back. That was a major tone milestone for me. Ever since then, I've had a totally different perspective when trying products out.
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Something I’ve always been cognizant of, but until a few years ago I only used digital amps. Now I’ve got a collection, and have been experimenting with dual amps and more complex rigs, but those big rigs can’t be cranked at home in my case. So I’m having to find ways to experiment with the live tone in a bedroom context which is difficult to predict how things will change once the air starts moving as you could imagine. I’ve settled on preamp simulation because it’s most practical, there isn’t really a point in trying to simulate a power amp in my case.
Great as always, sir. One other thing I like to do with fuzz face type pedals is keep the gain down a little, ride the volume on the guitar and then add an overdrive as needed. I played in a power pop band for awhile where the FF basically never got turned off.
The Love Pedals Bonetender into the Morgan OD is an incredible combo too! Great video, Brian!
David Gilmour is the master of OD into a fuzz
Great! It's definitely tough to test these combos out without being in a jam session setting or recording. I've mostly tried them in my bedroom setup and as you say it can sound wrong without it being in the mix. Love the channel.
Great Vid Brian. I've been experimenting with this very thing for awhile now. Awesome stuff!
That's the trick with fender amps : ). Thank you Brian I discovered the paysley and its amazing, it's my bed for fuzzes. And it is THE BEST to date. It's unreal live and in room. Thank you for the paysley drive
Brian: "Hello there!"
My mind: "General Kenobi, you are a bold one!"
Youre right about the Paisely, Fuzz face sounds great with it!! Love that midrange fuzz.
Learned the trick from queens of the stone age, they use it for the really heavy tones on songs for the deaf! Never heard it the comparison like this though! Definitely shows how much an overdrive helps it cut through a mix, great video!
Cool video I always combine my fuzz with a overdrive to eq it..great tip
That advice between 1:41 and 2:01 is golden. Often I find that, when I'm recording, something that sounds not quite excellent by itself may be just the right tone to fit into a track, especially when double tracking.
I love doing this. Sounds amazing on stage. Fuzz Face by itself is classic 60's garage rock. Fuzz Face plus OD pedal is soaring, humungous, Hendrix glory.
Thanks! So much fun! As my amp (25 watt Frenzel Deluxe 5E3) has two inputs, I use an ABY box to get the most out of it. From the ABY box, channel one goes into a Fulltone Wah Deluxe and a Fulltone FullDrive 3, then into the Fender input. Channel two runs into a Prescription Electronics Experience fuzz, followed by Whirlwind 10-band EQ and into the Marshall input. The EQ tames the fuzz (i don't use the octave) tones and lowers the volume, to achieve unity gain on both channels even with the fuzz running hot. With one stomp on the ABY box I can move from creamy clean to blistering tones , with no jump in volume. I can also run both channels ( the Y in ABY!) together - yielding clean Wah tones against savage Fuzz. Or I can overdrive the Fender input and combine with the Marshall input for peel-your-face-off tones. My only other effect is a a Frenzel all-tube real spring reverb tank in the FX loop. After 30-years of complicated rigs, less is more for me. And I can get every tone I need.
Love seeing this video. I run a cheap Tubescreamer clone with drive at 9pm and level at 3pm into a Way Huge Swollen Pickle and love the aggressive growly sound that it gives.
The video I've been waiting for! I never use fuzz or octave fuzz without an overdrive downstream, mostly Euphoria or Boss OD3, since they retain some of the wooly bass the fuzz produces (with Euphoria, I can actually choose how much).
Hey Brian, great video! I stack my velvet fuzz (big setting, gain around 9 o'clock, tone around 3 o'clock) into a Maxon OD9+ (low gain, tone around 10 o'clock, volume maxed) with my strat and it sounds incredible. Very smooth and saturated, but I don't lose any dynamics. It's the closest I can get to the hallowed Eric Johnson sound.
Great video, I find using an eq pedal with a fuzz pedal works great as well to cut through the mix. I boost the mids and it works great. Especially with a Big Muff that is scooped. I'm sure you already know this but but this is just for people in the comment section looking for another pedal to put with a fuzz to make it cut through the mix.
I used to run the Wampler Dual Fusion into an EQD Hoof-Reaper fuzz. The sound was chaos and madness in the best way possible. I miss my fuzz and dual fusion. :(
I like to listen to people that know stuff. Good video. Thanks
Great idea. In a band, I can never hear a fuzz pedal well. Of course, when I was a kid, and distortion was called a fuzz box. ;).
Excellent video, thanks
I really like the FF when other people play through them. I can never get a decent sound out of one. I'll try this. BTW, really dug the last one (OD into FF). Gotta' try that too.
Hey Brian, I've recently made a very interesting discovery regarding stacked pedals. A couple of mine weren't behaving nicely together (when I engaged the 2nd pedal, my sound got really small and the amp sounded like it was collapsing in on itself). I have a splitter at the end of my chain with a phase invert switch, and when I flipped the phase, the stacked combination became extremely present and focussed. Turns out that asymmetrical clipping (exactly what you get when you combine two different gain pedals) is phase dependant - even when running mono! So a really cool trick to try for even more variation of tone is to flip the phase before the amp (inverting between amplifier and speaker doesn't work in this case, as it has to do with how the pedals react with the preamp. Also worth noting that I notice this much more with my Marshall amps than my Fender or Orange (possibly because these amps are naturally phase inverted, I'm not sure) but I highly recommend giving it a go! Even adding a pedal which inverts phase by itself works too, for example my vibrato pedal when engaged inverts phase, so even with the vibrato depth turned all the way down, i'm able to use the pedal as a drastic frequency/tone shift! Try it, you'll be amazed! :)
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That's a cool tip brah! Thanks for posting it!
Very interesting! Of course it makes sense that an asymmetrically clipped signal would be different depending on the phase of the signal being clipped!
I have agree what make fuzz sound like fuzz is that bottom end but in band mix you have cut the bass or boost the mid which make fuzz sound more like an overdrive.
Hi Brian, could you make a video showing the sound difference between a non-inverting and inverting op amp gain stage?
Love your channel!
Can you please do a video with an EQ pedal using it after different gain pedals to get "band tones"?
I've got a Hendrix fuzz into a JHS Superbolt. My amp's clean channel loves either, while my amp's dirty channel doesn't much like the fuzz unless the bolt's on as well.
I know this is an old video but I have been experimenting myself with this very concept.
I have a little blue Supro overdrive combined with a Fuzz Face loaded with genuine NKT-275's through a 5 watt Matamp minimat 1×12 and it sounds like I've opened a portal to fuzz nirvana!.
it's the colossus!.
Octave Fuzz or other harsh fuzz into crunch channel or even into a muff works well.
Into a Muff. Awesome.
I run a BOSS Blues Driver (BD-2) into a Big Muff Pi using my strat copy using the bridge and middle pickups. It's a HUGE sound. But I haven't run in a band context (can't find a bass player or drummer) to see if it cuts through.
If I run that same chain with my Les Paul and humbuckers, it is WAY too muddy.
I used to run a Bass Big Muff into a BD-2 with the gain set around 9 o'clock and it sounded awesome. Had that nice violin tone.
Omg really??? I'm planning to actually buy a BD2 and a Russian green muff. How do they stack together?
I'm a simple man, I see fuzz, I hit the thumbs-up button.
Back in '69/70, I had an original Dallas-Arbiter. Nothing since comes close, at least close enough. Amp makes a difference. At the time was using a Silvertone Twin Twelve and loved the sound! (Take that Jack White!).
Yeah my old FF got stolen in the 90's and have been chasing that ever since Plus I'm with you on the Twin 12 One of the best amps I ever owned Luckily still have a 1482 ?? Deluxish 6V6 amp My go to combo if not using my 800 combo
@@paulcowart3174 I have an Ibanez TSA15 head with a pair of 6V6's....love the tone!
Big Muff into Bk Butler Tube Drive or RAT set for an overdriven sound.
A mkiii tone bender into a barber small fry or a Paul C Timmy is tonal nirvana. Swap them around for a more gruff sound. Slam them old germanium into saturation and its bliss, unless they go into cutoff and no sound passes.
I know this thread is 2 year's old but I just discovered using as fuzz to boost my Rangemaster Setting the fuzz more like an overdrive Endless sustain and very low noise
Anything into a catalinbread DLS is gold. Howard has not sent me to say this. I like stacking into the Tweed 57
I run an SD-1 into a Nano Big Muff and it's magical🤘
That was my rig until recently. Now I've got the Nano Big Muff, running into an MXR Booster, and I promise, the tone is the same but the fuzz is about 1000x better.
Fuzz>Dirt is my favorite trick. Fuzz into Fuzz is chaotic glory, a J. Mascis thing.
100% true @ 4:43, in general, as far as dialing in tones. Not to get too off topic from your video, but, I'm curious; Is how a pedal sounds in a band (at gig levels) part of your RnD process?
I've been modding my amps a lot recently (i'm just a newb), and I've found that what sounds good at bedroom/conversation volumes rarely ever translates to when the amp is cranked up with the full band.
I think that's always been my issue with running higher gain distortions/fuzzes into lower gain overdrives, is that it kinda chokes the sound, and ends up sounding really shitty when I'm playing alone. I've never actually tried it when playing with a band, but I'm starting to think that maybe I should...
Thanks!
Fuzz Factory into an OCD rules. I also run it into my Catapulp. Good times.
I like putting my silicone Fuzz Face into my Wampler Plexidrive (on low gain). Sounds very Hendrixy. :0)
wow! this is EXACTLY what i have always done. i thought it was my little secret.
Ep booster after a fuzz probe for me
If I'm not mistaken, Eric Johnson runs his Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer. Don't know if he ever runs them at the same time though.
If I'm not mistaken, I think it's his Chandler Tube Drive. Same kind of sound, but it's also not exactly a tube screamer. As a general strategy though, fuzz into a tube screamer is a recipe for awesome tone.
He uses both.
I want to know why Eric Johnson uses a brass plug specifically for fuzz face and only puts the plug half way in the input...he's on another level of specific.
Bk Butler, not Chander.
Now I want to try my TS clone and my Dracarys together.
Will the same trick work with what I have? I have a Jumbo fuzz, an Ibanez Tube Screamer and a LT Blackstar dual drive.
What do you think about using that with higher output or humbucker guitars?
Hey Brian, I’ve just been given a Jimi Hendrix JH-2 fuzz face pedal. Not to keen on how it sounds, circuit looks simple what can I do to mod it?
Really wanted to see the Euphoria and the Velvet Fuzz... Maybe next time... :)
Can you stack a fuzz face with a reissue triangle muff to get somewhere between a gilmour tone and a clapton tone with both fuzzes turned down
Is the Germanium Fuzz Face PNP or NPN? Just curious.
I understand they were once PNP, but making them NPN makes it easier to work with a negative ground. I'm not really sure if there's any fundamental difference between PNP and NPN Ge transistors that could affect the sound.
Will a '68 Princeton Reverb RI take pedals well, especially at low volumes?
SD1 into a Tubescreamer. Sounds ridiculous but try it!
WAMPLER, do a impedance theory lesson about why the fuzz face input impedance doesn't like a TS9 or Boss OD-1 or a Buffer pedal BEFORE the fuzz face. How do you measure pedals input impedance and output impedance? show this in a YT video lesson because the impedances of guitar pedals is how they stack well together.
To be honest , i've never liked the fuzz-effect !!!!
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If you have a very gated, farty fuzz, try running a boosting OD, like a klon type, into it.
lol, just what the doctor ordered. Thanks
I have two pretty bad cheap pedals, one is allegedly a cocked-wah and the other a distortion. Maybe some people will recognize the offending pedals, maybe not. The cocked-wah is fizzy and horrible no matter how you set it, and the distortion is all lower mid and bottom, all sludge. However, the cocked-wah into the distortion actually made a pretty usable fuzz/distortion, not bad at all. Beefy and good attack.
Not recommended but the principle is there.
Hey Brian, quick question. I ordered a tumnus deluxe from my local guitar shop. They still haven't received it after 2 months. Could it be because they went out of stock and we are waiting for more to be produced?
I can't answer that, we have stock so perhaps they haven't paid for their order? I'm not sure. I'd tell them to get ahold of us asap so we can figure it out.
Ok great, thanks!
Why doesnt my germanium fuzz face sound like that? :(
Stoner rock. Not necessarily stoned but that fuzz will suffice. Helps to play like you are cuz it dpes it to you too! 22 in a ttutu going to T.O. too are you?
is there such a pedal as a "fuzz drive" being the two pedals in one?
Like www.baeaudio.com/hot-fuzz or www.buyanalogman.com/Sun_Lion_Pedal_s/197.htm ?
I think there is a new one from Thorpe Effects
There has too be………….
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I don't like the fuzz face pedals. Too bottom endy for me. At 5:15 - Brian Hendrix purple blaze.
I think they work better with a bass, personally.
I've never owned the (overpriced) Dunlop one, but I've built one, and own a couple of variations on it.
I find the Fuzz knob is the least useful one. Don't need that, on a bass - it stays turned down. For more fuzz, turn up the bass.
I'd rather have a bias knob instead - adjusting that can make some very interesting effects.
That's why TS's work so well after is that is the tone knob
I do love a rat into a big muff...
Poor little transistor gettin' all beat up like that. Ya big bully ...
Get on with it!!
Brian , nope, sounds dreadful, and I have a bravado head myself .
Dunlop FF sounds very bad
The best distortion is a guitar through an overdriven tube amp. I've never used any distortion pedals. Pedals are square waves; tubes are sine waves. Square waves are basically clipped sine waves. That's why fuzz tones sound nasty.
CUT THROUGH THE FUCKING MIX
C'mon Mr. Wampler……….No single coils…………..
khnarry - Single coil pickups are the best. Jimi Hendrix and SRV among others can't be wrong. Different tools for different jobs.