The 2004 Pistons Vs The 2017 Warriors: Let’s Settle This…
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- My thoughts on the war of words between Draymond Green and Rasheed Wallace... Who would win in a 7 game series, the 2004 Detroit Pistons or the 2017 Golden State Warriors?? In this video, I do my best to answer that.
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So who do you agree with, Green or Wallace? How many games would it take?
Also, here is the link to my ultimate team series . . . We’re working on the 2K simulation at this very moment.
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Realistically I have the warriors in 6 yes the pistons are incredible defensively probably the best by a bit but golden state is the best offence ever and it's not even close the gap in talent is just too wide
Exactly… who cares how good the piston’s interior defense was when hundreds of logo threes are raining down on your head?
The 04 Pistons were a fluke. That's why they never repeated or won again. They only got over because Malone reaggravated his knee injury. There was no other PF on the roster at that point to replace his points, passing, and interior defense. Then Payton was getting WASHED on the perimeter, hence Chauncey winning FMVP. Not mentioning any of this, makes any argument disingenuous.
Detroit went 7 games with 04 New Jersey, the same Nets team that got swept by the Lakers in 02. Then the 05 Pistons lost to the Spurs in 7. The 04 Lakers beat them in 6, including 4 in a row to close the series.
So what are we really talking about here? SMH
The rules of the game have changed, and coaching has changed. Not worth comparing
I think that you are not taking in account that, Rasheed Wallace is not being stopped by Draymond, by any means, when you say that there are no offensive advantages for Detroit
The 2015-2019 GS Warriors played defense too…
People forget that KD was a serious contender for DPOY in 2018. Draymond is obviously one of the GOAT defenders, and Klay is one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time as well. Everyone being guarded from 2-4 is getting absolutely CLAMPED. It would still be a great series though.
04 pistons were holding defending nba champs and perennial offenses to under 70 points per game
@@ogslapslap8611u don’t understand how good the 2017 team was
Lmao dray being a GOAT defender@kristianlamprecht4831
@@ogslapslap8611 yep teams that shot midrange and played from the post. you're trading 3 pointers to 2 pointers.
none of those 04 teams had the firepower the warriors had, three of the greatest shooters ever.
there's no way in stopping that 17 team, you can't double team anyone, or else you're leaving curry, klay, or Durant open.
and that warriors bench was very strong as well with Livingston, Iggy, and David west. (to go along with the starters)
I just don't think the pistons offense can keep up with the warriors scoring pace, even with the pistons elite defense.
plus the warriors 17 team had an absolute elite defense as well.
2004 was still within the lowest scoring ten years of NBA, since prior to the 60’s.
That GSW team was so unbelievably dominant. This is not a conversation
So were the shaq and kobe lakers?
A bit different kobe shot them out the series wanting prove he was finals mvp Malone was hurt kobe played right into their hands by being selfish other gentleman sweep
Yet Kawhi with 50 year Manu was up 25 before they hurt him
@Bigedub101 I mean ik but It was 1 game and gs was still coming back b4 kahwi got hurt I still gs would've won that's MY opinion though
The were down 3-2 to Harden and CP3. Down 3-1 to KD and Russ. Lost a 3-1 lead in the Finals. Was on their way to getting blown by the Spurs until Zaza took out Kawhi.
The 2004 "Goin' to Work" Pistons vs. 2014 "The Beautiful Game" Spurs would be the more interesting 7-game series matchup.
Spurs in 6 bro i don't think they are ready for that ball movement and 3point barrage 😅
As a Spurs fan, keep the Zaza strays flowin
What he did vs Kawhi was downright dirty
It was but I don't SA was going to win tht series anyway in fact I still expected gs to come back tht game even b4 kawhis injury if u remember they were a crazy 3q team tht year
@@jaridatkinson4907 Will never know I think GSW might have won in 7 games but they were t coming back in Game 1 and that was peak Kawhi he was the best player in the league that year
@davis2k1234 like u said we'll never know but gs I think would've been fine
Whatever the outcome, Zaza deserves 0 respect
Billips guarding Steph... He gonna be on a oxygen tank.
Rip on curry
Hamilton is a good scorer and defended well. He is also the best conditioned player in this series by far. Curry will be in foul trouble guarding Billups. They also have nothing for Sheed.
@@datjewellboyWhoa whoa, why would Steph guard Billups, when they have Klay for that? Also Sheed struggled in 05 against Nazr Mohammed, why would Warriors have a problem with stopping him?
@@nikolamilenkovic5267 Because Klay would need to guard Rip. Rip would run Steph ragged and that would affect him on the offensive end. Look at how Reggie Miller could not keep up with Rip and his 3 suffered. He wasn't quite as efficient and productive with that kind of offensive load. Rip was always running like crazy offball.
@@thetonyclay Okay, that's a fair point, but Curry is also one of the best conditioned players of all time. So, I don't really get how he is gonna be gassed, but Rip is gonna be fine running throughout the match.
Edit: grammar
Can't believe im gonna agree with Draymond
It's not crazy to agree for this particular subject. 04 pistons were a crazy team no doubt, but gs just has too much firepower/starpower
I love that Pistons team…but there’s no way they’re beating the 2017 Warriors. The only reason they beat the Lakers is because the Lakers beat themselves. That Lakers team hated each other and was injured. It’s crazy they even made it to the finals that year haha The three peat Lakers would have wiped the floor with them.
Also Lakers had no players that could guard Billups or Sheed. And Shaq and Kobe were not enough firepower to defeat that team.
That Lakers team also had no shooters. The Pistons took advantage of it and zoned up on Kobe.
And Kobe took way more shots from the field than Shaq. And SHOT WORSE😂. If Kobe played his robin role again who knows. But their egos were too high
That 3 peat team had to cheat their 3rd ring
They made the finals the next year, and took Duncan to 7...
I never realized this needed settling. I'm just here for the laughs.
Bonzi out here saying “you can’t guard Draymond Green” must have been him just busting Sheed’s balls.
Yes, because Rasheed would smoke Draymond
Jonny, you said "two players know for getting lots of technical fouls" hahahahaha Hilarious, but true.
I understand I'm biased but all I'm gonna say is the 2017 Warriors third best player scored 37 in a quarter and 60 in 3 quarters...
As an old head, I have to agree here. I think the 00-02 Lakers and the 96-98 Bulls are the only teams that give that Warriors team a lick of problem. Stats are definitely inflated in this modern era, but there's no faking what that Warriors team was hitting on
@@thegoldmine4111The only team that can make an argument against the 17 Warriors that I can't think of an answer to is the 00-02 Lakers.
Like Shaq said "Who's gonna guard me?" There is no answer to that. The Warriors could still win with perimeter offense and ball movement, but it could really go either way. The Lakers duo was unstoppable.
@@frameddonut1056 I still think if it's the OP Warriors with KD and Prime Steph, Klay and Draymond than Shaq and Kobe aren't enough. They realistically could LET Shaq average 40 and 20 and still beat them in every game. Id say those teams go 6 games with the Warriors winning cause 3 is more than 2 and the Warriors have the 2 beat 3 points shooters ever and one of the 3 best scorers ever in KD. Not a soul on that Lakers team has an answer for KD and I think it's delusion at best to think Fisher is gonna survive a series chasing Steph Curry and be able to contribute hardly anything offensively. I'm not a warriors fan and Kobe is my 2nd favorite player all time behind Iverson but imo the Warriors are beating the 00-02 Lakers.
@@thegoldmine4111 LAKERS 80s and CELTICS 80s PISTONS 90s Portland 90s a lot of teams could beat this GSW team..they lost against CAVS..people forget those GSW were a team that played in the TANKING ERA with 11 teams who wanted to lose games on purpose
@@onlyfacts3178 2017 Warriors lost against the Cavs? I didn't know that. I must be living in an alternative timeline.
Draymond Green would not dream of pulling his antics against Rasheed Wallace, and if he did he would wake up and apologize
Or Ben Wallace
you got that right! sheed or big ben would literally make dray cry if he even came close to his dirty shit on any piston. dray is a typical bully, only acts up against those he knows won't respond.
Yup!!
And then they'd be t'd up and probably ejected before the end of the game and GSW would have an even easier time.
before i watch the video im absolutely taking the warriors, but let’s see if you can convince me otherwise.
Edit: Yea im absolutely taking the warriors still but i love the conversation regardless.
crazy how people complained endlessly and still do about how KD joining the warriors was unfair but in the same breath underrate them in discussions like this.
the 2017 warriors are mollywhopping that Pistons team with all due respect
Peak Steph Curry and peak Kevin Durant I got the warriors winning in 6 games.
Less. 6 is too high.
3 more like it
Bro, 5 games.
They can't keep up offensively.
Warriors sweep lmao
@@hristijandimitrovski8664nah it’s right
Love it bro, keep sharing your thoughts and knowledge. Saludos desde Montevideo, Uruguay
Thank you Jonny! I personally feel that this is a stupid debate
It’s kinda ridiculous, because it’s two completely different styles and eras, but I gotta admit, I still enjoy these goofy debates 🤣
@@jonnyarnett I agree, it’s just for entertainment purposes and nostalgia is very powerful to the human minds that we often get blindsided by it. Rasheed and Draymond are just two guys talking crap to each other by being biased with their perspectives of basketball with accurate or inaccurate information
2017 warriors destroyed the conference and the best players are usually in the west
I don't think the 04 Pistons could beat even the 2016 Warriors forget about the 2017 version
I kinda feel they even matchup better with the 2016 Warriors, but maybe that’s just me not thinking about it well enough
@@Jonathan-A.C. I don't understand. Are you saying that the 04 Pistons could beat the 16 Warriors?
@@suhailrefaye92
Right.
I’m saying that I think they’d matchup better with the Warriors then as well as be facing overall worse competition, so I think there’s a real matchup there. But I don’t know if they would actually win it
@@Jonathan-A.C. you're right. The 16 dubs vs the 04 Pistons would be closer but ultimately the Pistons don't have enough offensive firepower to compete with the Warriors. The 16 Warriors were beating the rest of the league in 3 quarters. When fully healthy they were a monstrous team.
@@suhailrefaye92
I hear ya.
I do think, especially in the Playoffs, they weren’t *really* 73-9 good (not like 1996 Bulls), but they were just too good for the Pistons. If they go to Game 7 with the 2016 Cavs, I’d see a problem with the 2004 Pistons having a better chance
Great content. I wish we saw more content like this on NBA TH-cam.
Pistons fan here. And this was a great analysis!
How is this even a question, the pistons wouldn’t stand a fkn chance 😂
Pistons in 6
On the road!!❤️❤️
I’m a lifelong pistons fan, That warriors team was unreal, but on the other side pistons were their equivalent on defense. I believe it would have been a better series than most think. I give edge to the dubs, but they are rhythm players, the pistons woulda disrupted that with their defense. It is conceivable to me det wins. But nobody getting “ mopped”
- agree. No one is mopping another great team but I give the edge to the 2016 Warriors, 4-2.
2017 Warriors? They win 4-1 and possibly a sweep. That salary increase was a super cheat code in getting KD. Plus David West took a minimum salary too that year.
This isn't even a debate, idk why people are entertaining this unless you're a old head that thinks floor spacing is witchcraft.
I'm dead 😭
Some ppl are coping so hard, talking bout "which rules are they playing with? If It's the 90s, Pistons win easily"
Bro, if it's the 90s you don't even have no Wallace, you betting on Joe Dumars and Grant Hill to beat the 2017 Warriors in a 7 game series 🤣
I want to see draymond act a fool with Big Ben
@@slee2695 I wanna see the whole Pistons roster doing some cardio like they in a marathon trying to chase Curry, Klay and KD in the perimeter. Them boys will pass out by the third quarter 🤣
@@slee2695 He wouldn't, but it wouldn't matter. KD is giving Tayshaun Prince crazy work and probably averaging 40-45 for the series and making it look effortless, and Curry is absolutely cooking Chancey for at least 25-30 per game. Draymond would just be facilitating and Ben Wallace would be a virtual non factor with the Warriors being a perimeter/mid range team with no great bigs. They're staying out of the post and probably sweeping the Pistons, maybe the Pistons steal one game. MAYBE, but I doubt it.
KD struggled against Kawhi who wasn't allowed hand checking. He had 14 points until Kawhi went down. He went on to score 20 points in 1 and half quarters.
KD struggled against Boston getting swept and also Timberwolves.
Steph can't do it all. Green is not a reliable scorer and Klay wouldn't show up.
In that Game 1 in 2017 Klay and Patty Mills took each other out scoring 5 and 4 points respectively.
I think Pistons win in 7. They will be worn out, GSW that is.
People knew which team was winning the championship before the 2017 season even began. The 2004 Pistons aren't even close to that level.
Detroit "knew". I bought a season ticket package within 2 min of hearing news we got Sheed from Atl. My IMMEDIATE reaction was: "We just won the championship. I'm going!" ...4 months later I was at the parade.
🎉💪🏆
@@nathanlawson313 1 and only 1 championship. Didn't last long, meaning they weren't that far and ahead of the rest of the league
@@nathanlawson313
They were great, but it was only 1 championship. And as much as I’ve heard them getting robbed from the 2005 ring (which went 7 games against the Spurs), it’s not as if the 2004 Lakers was really operating on all cylinders
Because mid season they traded for sheed
Casual
Happy Sunday, Jonny! I enjoyed your analysis - it's fair and well-argued. My initial gut reaction was that the Pistons would win in a close series, but after reflecting about it some more and seeing your case, I think it's more likely than not that the Warriors would win due to how hard they would be to stop (as you indicated, the Pistons would do a good job at slowing them down somewhat, but I don't think any team could shut them down completely) and the lack of a dominant center who could lead them to victory (as the rest of the team definitely can't match the Warriors offensively). The Warriors themselves, while not as great as the Pistons were on defense, were still pretty good defensively also. I think that six games is a good guess for how far the series would go.
Great video, Jonny. I hope you have a nice week :).
It’s crazy to know that pistons would’ve been even better if they knew how to fucking draft.
Forget 6 ECF appearances in 6 years with 2 Finals appearances and a ring, they might’ve been a whole ass dynasty, and won 4+ rings, especially if they drafted and/traded well to help Carmelo while the older players were slowly declining. God, THAT’S a dominant ass team
@@Jonathan-A.C.Or taken Wade perhaps?
@@fortynights1513
Yeah they could’ve done Wade.
Although Wade ended up being picked 5th as opposed to Melo’s 3rd
Glad you got into this. Like your conclusions. Basically: Warriors are the better team, Pistons might have the right matchups to make it happen. It’d be a hell of a series
Green would have the cleanest game of his life vs big ben and sheed😂😂😂😂
The only teams that could beat the 2017 warriors are the 1996 bulls and the 2001 lakers. Two dark horse candidates are the 2014 spurs and maybe the 2013 heat, they matchup better than you think.
Neither the heat or the spurs would be able to beat them
@@yetundeadeyemi2436Agreed
Agreed abould the 96 Bulls & 01 Lakers
@@yetundeadeyemi2436 I don't think they beat them either. Dark horse as in they can't beat them unless they get lucky.
The Lakers team that lost to the Pistons??
Rasheed could cook Draymond in post-isolations.
Firstly, I will say this. No team is unbeatable, because there is always a strategy that can be used to win if you are at least a good defensive unit.
The main question for me would be which players on the Warriors need to be targeted to make the Warriors most ineffective? (Going on the starters alone: Draymond, Klay, and KD. Klay was not creating for himself of the dribble, KD is not a player who handles physicality well, and Draymond's facilitating needs to be neutralised. I am going to force Curry to try to do it mostly by himself. To carry out such a defensive effort requires exceptional discipline and mental strength. Did the 2004 Pistons have the personnel to execute such and approach? I would say yes. Did they have the mental strength to execute? I would say yes. Would it be enough to stop the Warriors? Maybe, maybe not, but off the cuff, I would try that or some variation of that.)
Bro, in the finals the Pistons were content with Slava Medvedenko taking spot up two pointers.....
Imagine those shots instead going to Steph, Klay or KD. And they wouldn't be 2s; they would be 3s. And most importantly, they would NOT be taken by Medvedenko....
The Warriors just have far far too much offensive talent..
@@brianduru3753 I stand by what I said. I didn't say it would guarantee victory. The point is that there is always a strategy that you can use to deal with greater offensive sides. Detroit was a better defensive side, so they would need to use that to their advantage to disrupt the Warriors' offence as much as possible.
@@keomatherapper You people act like the Warriors were a defensive sieve...
They were an excellent defensive team as well. Klay, KD, Draymond and Iggy were all plus defenders.
So it's not like the Pistons would be getting easy buckets.
If the Pistons defense is a 90, the Warriors is not worse than an 80. But the Warriors offense is like 95 and the Pistons offense is a 70 if we're being generous. That is just too much firepower to handle.
@@brianduru3753 Notice that I only spoke about how I would approach it from the Pistons' perspective and I also said that it might or might not work. Your assertion about you people does not hold because I never framed the Warriors as being porous because I never mentioned how I would approach it as them. I made my point because the prevailing thought seems to be Great Offense beats Great Defense simply because Great Offense.
@@keomatherapper Fair enough
Pistons would bully them, would get all the boards and sure warriors might make more 3's but unless they shooting 70% every game the board disparity would be to much
U already know
That math is way off.
Rip, thier best scorer, shoots 46% eFG. If he took every shot for the pistons, at that efficiency the warriors would win shooting just 32% from 3...
In full seriousness think Steph, Klay and KD could shoot 32% from half court. Unironically they could take turns throwing bombs from quarter court to the half court line, every single possession and have an offence comparable to the 04 pistons.
2004 pistons was my team sheed is my fav 3 point shooter
@@F1nalB0zz i remember wen my lil brother brought me an him the pistons championship shirt wen my pistons dominated the 2004 NBA finals my lil brother had got a red shirt an a blue shirt an he tld me to pick a color i remember it like yday an i pick the red 1 an he wore the blue 1 lol
This scenario completely depends on which era they would play. If they played in 2017, the Warriors would just drown them in 3 pointers and most of the country would change the channel before the first quarter. If they played in 2004, the Pistons would not let the Warriors off the toilet seat to wipe their rears. This team was defensively one of the best teams of all time. Ben Wallace would straight punk Draymond. The “splash brothers” would become the “kerplunk sisters”, because they would have the ball stolen everytime they went for three without those refs getting in the way.
What year would this match up take place? In 2017, there is no way the Pistons win 1 game. In 2004, the Pistons would knock Steph and KD around. No free rides to the hoop like the Cavs gave him in the Finals. Big Ben would be waiting with a smile. Much closer.
IMO there should have been some mention of the teams beyond the starting 5. These are 2 impressively deep teams. People forget Livingston, West, Barnes, Iggy and how important they were to that team. The Pistons had Okur, Williamson, Hunter, and Campbell, they only have the advantage at center. That is why the Warriors would win. If it turns into a fight, the Pistons win, so there's that.
My 04 pistons will destroy the warriors not even close
It’s not a Jonny Arnett video without one “For goodness’ sake…” 😂
Warriors would win in 4. This convo is silly
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1. As in they would win 1 game in all.
Hilarious even, Big Ben and sheed would be obsolete because warriors are perimeter oriented
Brain dead take
Ben Wallace would dominate on the boards.
The Warriors would have MUCH LESS 2nd chance opportunities than they are used to. Neither Zaza or Draymmond would be able to compete.
I still believe in a Warriors win but I think it would be at least 6 games
Hey just a heads up, that Midsummer Nights game you talked about in a past video once last 2 final seconds are on TH-cam
THANK U!! The 04 pistons were the best defensive team EVER
First. The 2004 Pistons are one of the best teams that I've ever seen. I say this as a Lakers fan. They had a center who is an all time great defender, surrounded by 4 guys who could put up over 20 on any given night, and all 4 could hit the game winner. The truth of this is that officiating has changed so much that it's like trying to compare college wrestling to the WWE. You can't say that the Rock is a better wrestler than a collegiate champion, or that a collegiate champion would hold the WWE belt. It's sad to say, but today's basketball has really deviated that far. So in 2004 my money is on the Pistons. In 2017 my money is on the Warriors. Luka Doncic straight arm extension pushes the defender in the chest on EVERY drive and NEVER gets called for it. Today's NBA isn't basketball. It's sports entertainment. It's the WWE equivalent of wrestling.
Finally someone that knows what real basketball is! Thank you bro.
I pick the pistons or my 2005 Spurs ALL day. We played real defense. Warrior's didn't. End of story.
Worst take ever 😂
@@carlouy7031 call it what it is…..the truth 🤷🏿♂️
Never been this early to a video
I think the 2004 Pistons were like the ultimate team. They didn't necessarily have superstars per se on their team but they were great role players that complimented each other well and they knew how to work well together. They did this by out working and out hustling everyone on the court. Yeah the pace of play was slow but they were suffocating.
I do think they get slightly overhyped though. Yeah they beat the Lakers super team that year but that Karl Malone was old and got injured. Gary Payton was also older and slower and became a liability at times because you don't really need lock down defense on this pistons team. I think this was also the series where Kobe wanted to prove he was just as much a superstar as Shaq and turned into an inefficient volume shooter.
I honestly believe the 2017 Warriors would probably take this series 4-1. Just too much firepower and they are so good at forcing team to spread the floor and putting people on islands. The Pistons were a smothering team that would swarm the person with the ball. You can't really do that as much when you have Steph or Durant or Klay being the one left open.
I will add a caveat that if this was is under 2004 rules then the Pistons have a better shot. The thing is though I think they could find a solution for either Steph or Durant but not both.
I think they are talking past each other. Hard defense hurts deep shots the most, as slight tips and flinches are going to be compounded over the distance traveled. And the Warriors are not going to be out rebounding the Pistons. That said, in 2017's game, you'd be lucky to make the playoffs on defense alone. So if they played in 2004, I'd say the Pistons win in 5 or 6 games against the Warriors. If they played in 2017, the Warriors still win the Finals because (I'm being generous) the Pistons get eliminated in the first round.
One thing for sure, that would be a great match up.
I love Rasheed Wallace and that 2004 team was special for its time, but the Warriors would win this series fairly well. Now…what I do want to say, Draymond Green might be the most overrated player of all time. I think he was a great role player on a dynasty team, nothing more. It’s really the combo of Steph, Klay, and Durant that clearly make them who they are…and allow Draymond to shine more in his role.
Rasheed/ Ben Wallace are holding Draymond/Zaza Pachulia to 0pt, 4reb total, the whole series. Then they can help Tayshaun w 7'9 wingspan bother Durant. (He SMOTHERED Kobe in 04 and could've been finals MVP. Held Kobe to 11 pts on 25 shots 1 game...)
Backcourt cancel each other out.
Warriors win gm 7, but way way closer than everyone thinks.
lets be real here
@@antiarezzo7630 Ben Wallace had 18pt, 22reb in close out gm, and held PRIME SHAQ to 14pt. No help. No double teams. Played Lakers straight up man to man...
What's Draymond with his 6pts, 7reb/gm gonna do? That's a problem. 😂
I agree. Nuff said.
They keep saying how many points the pistons scored...how much did their opponents score? The 2004 pistons would embarrass the warriors...not only that, KD would cry on the plane. 😂😂😂
Draymond nd sheed would be a lovey matchup. U should do a series of dudes u wish got to play against each other
The 2004 pistons only weakness was they had no offensive weapon. Their defense is so tight that watching them feels clostrophobic, but they had no one that could go on an offensive run, takeover the game and change the momentum. The closest thing was Ben Wallace, who is still the only full fledged defensive super star since Rodman.
It just makes you think, they passed up Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh and more in the 2003 draft, and instead chose a bag of chips and a stick of gum (or something).
Oh, what could have been. In some alternate reality, detroit is a shining becon of a city, a model for all humanity, with a glorious NBA dynasty with Dwayne Wade as their king ...
I love the 04 Pistons. In my Top 5 champion teams, maybe. But the 17 Warriors with their ball movement and stellar shooting is a different animal
I love this breakdown. I know the 04 Pistons can handle the 17 Warriors man to man but yes indeed, the Pistons did not dominate their era while GSW did and that is a good enough factor.
Depends on the rules, if the rules were like out, it was in 2004 then I can see this turning into a seven game series. But if we’re talking about 2017 rules, then it’s a easy sweep for the Warriors.
even with with 1870 rules the warriors would eat the 2004 Pistons alive. Nobody is stopind Curry, Klay and Kd
04 Pistons vs. 17 Warriors would be worth it just for Sheed & Dray fighting.
I agree, warriors in 6. I think they split the first 4 then warriors figure it out and win out.
The 2004 Pistons are no match for the 2017 Warriors. Great Offense beats Great Defense. And the Pistons dont have a comprable offense at all even in the dead ball era. Mind you in 2004 Kobe wasn't himself. He was dealing with that case and he wasnt focused. He was having to fly across he country week in and week out. Anyways outside of Chauncey and maybe Rip, they dont have any offensive creators. Mind you the warriors arent just an offensive team they are a great defensive team. They'll frustrate the Pistons on offense. Warriors in a 7 game series win in 5. Not saying the Pistons won't make it tough for the Warriors but, the Warriors would be way too much.
I agree with everything you said. I absolutely despise when people try to undermine teams due to unfair narratives, biased thinking and improper judgement. The pistons may win one game in the series if the warriors have an off night/pistons lock them down, other than that the Warriors got that.
I disagree but the way you explained it was really good and respectful. We need more people like you. I feel like no matter who wins, this series goes to 7 though.
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@@kemziclestudios6489 The pistons are a solid team and they match up very very well. But Tayshaun is not the Defender KD is going to struggle with. Long lengthy defenders aren't KD's weakness it's tough strong defenders that close his air space and limit his dribbles to get himself In a rhythm. If you look at the series in 2016 the WCF Andre Igoudala And Draymond were doing that to frustrate KD hence why he had a terrible shooting percentage in the final couple minutes of the elimination games. It's the same with Tony Allen. Tony Allen was giving KD fits because he wasn't focusing on contesting KD's jumper, he was defending him low and trying to disrupt his jumpshot rhythm. As great as they are sheed prince rip and Chauncey are good defenders but they don't posses the physical tools to stop KD.
@@TheeKing7 I respectfully disagree and here's why. Part of my reply above explains it somewhat but the other part is, Chauncey and Rip are the only capable scorers who can put the ball on the floor. Tayshaun as good as he was wasn't an on ball creator like that, same with sheed and Ben is almost a liability on offense. Lindsey Hunter, McDyess, and I believe Darvin Ham(I'd have to look at the roster) again aren't scorers. Yes they were very solid defenders especially Lindsey hunter who is criminally underrated but, they don't have instant offense off the bench either. On the flip side the Warriors have one of the greatest sixth men of all time, add David West and Javale Mcgee who provide quality minutes off the bench. Shaun Livngston was capable of defending 1-3 and making plays. The warriors were just more of a talented team and better overall. I think a better matchup for the 17 warriors are the 86 Celtics, 01 Lakers, or the 94 Rockets etc. Teams where the bulk of the scoring comes from the front court as opposed to its backcourt. Now going back to your assessment about it going 7 I respectfully disagree again as the pistons just don't have the offense to be able to overcome the Warriors defense. Klay would be solid in defending Chauncey and same with Igoudala. People forget the Warriors defense was what made them even greater.
The matchups would make this a near perfect series in my opinion
As I watched this video I could hear in the background NBA whistles…
Both Draymond and Rasheed got Technicals for flapping their mouths 😂😂
In the mid 2000's, no way GSW beats the Pistons because it's a lot harder to adjust from soft to hard type of basketball. Pistons in 6.
But in the late 2010's, GSW does beat the crap out of the Pistons because the refs won't let DET play bully-ball or hardnose basketball. GSW in 5.
But if they meet in the middle say in 2010, I think GSW still wins in 6.
It boils down to what era they would play because of the lack of rules implementation in 2017.
Detroit didnt have to spread the floor in that era. Having klay, kd, and curry stretching their defense and making them run way more than they are used to would be the determining factor.
I'm taking the 2004 Pistons in 6. But, I could see how you could think otherwise.
You old heads are delusional bro wtf
This is a silly question. Pistons wouldn’t have a chance just not enough star power. Pistons played in a time where it was rare that a team even had two super star level players, much less 3 or 4. KD, Steph and Klay would be much too much offense for Pistons to keep up with.
Make a vid of 2017 warriors vs 01 lakers or 96 bulls
Pistons in 6 or 7. Defense wins championships. Even if you balance out the pace on both sides, Detroit has the better team defense.
I am not a fan of either of these teams, but great offense usually beats great defense at the highest level and with the rules being as they are these days and the improvement of pt shooting over the past decade I think that the 3pt prowess of the 17 GSW would possibly be too much to handle for the 04 Pistons.
Usually but not always. There are numerous examples throughout the history of sports of a great defense beating a great offense. One of my favorite examples was the 95 Stanley cup between New Jersey and Detroit. The devils were the team that made the trap so prevalent during that era. They were a phenomenal defensive team. They went up against a powerhouse Detroit team that had a ridiculous amount of scoring talent. The devils didn't just win, they swept the friggin red wings. So a great defense is more than capable of dictating tempo and frustrating a great offense. In this particular scenario GS probably wins (for what it's worth because I hate the 2010s superteam era of the NBA because of crap like Durant going to GS and think it's ridiculous to put them against anyone because with Durant they are just a 2k dream team). But Detroit could definitely make it interesting.
@@jbellflower83 I am strictly speaking about basketball here, a game where there is a lot of scoring. Sports where the scoring is usually very low, such as ice hockey or soccer, for example, have different rules.
By the way, I loved the Red Wings in the later half of the 90s and early 2000s :). Yzerman, Shanahan, Lidström, Fedorov...that was a great team.
That’s a really good point because the 96 Chicago Bulls handled their competition. The Bulls were 15-3 in the playoffs only losing 1 game in the eastern conference then 2 games in the finals.
Tayshawn prince would pick Durants no handle self all game long. He'd have to become a set shooter.
Long term gsw but this series would be an absolute bloodbath
I agree I give GS the edge but its gonna be alotta ice packs hot tubs massages IVs cortisone involved…
Bruh Ben Wallace blocked shots like he had beef with the idea of daring to shoot around him.
On god
Speaking of Shaq and Kobes Lakers, that is the team they almost swept in the finals in 2004.
And the 2004 team was arguably better than the 2001 Lakers with 2 more HOF players
The only team I think that could have hung with the warriors is the 96 bulls. They have the perimeter defense and the length to matchup well with the warriors. Plus rodman would be grabbing rebounds like crazy. MJ would also go wild.
Realistic with both teams at their best, Warriors win in 6. I’m not a Warriors fan either and I loved the 2004 Pistons.
04 pistons on god they was my mf team bra 3 years
I think I would have to agree with your estimation of the Golden State warriors winning in six games that seems about right
Depends on what era the matchup is played in
Detroit in 5 and I'm a Bulls fan
The 2004 pistons would have lost to the 2004 Spurs and the 2004 Wolves. I would have the 04 Kings flavored over them too. They just got the right matchup in the finals with the 04 Lakers
Lakers were better than all the teams you named and the Pistons almost swept them
DRAYMOND IS SLOW AS WELL...
He is 6.6ft who cant guard SHEED who could shoot and post up and was 6.10ft.
B.WALLACE could move his feet and was a great defender..he would prevent drives to the basket and make GSW just a shooting team.
SO now its all about if they are having a good shooting night or not...
Wallace was only 6’7 no chance he was guarding KD
Gotta push back on that zaza take. Zaza was not getting heavy minutes in that playoff run. It’s not as simple as having an offensively good enough center to take advantage. It’s about having a center mobile enough to stay on the floor defensively while being a scoring threat. When the warriors went small they ran immobile centers off the court bc those bigs would get switched onto Steph & be bbq chicken. 3>2.
Can you make more videos like this?
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There is pace of play context, but the Warriors wouldn’t go down all those possessions. They would continue running their pace, which would absolutely tire out the Pistons. Players from that era, especially the big we’re not gonna be in the kind of shape that the Warriors opponents needed to be in to compete for the entire game.
bro how is this a debate 💀
The 04 Pistons were great defensively but got incredibly lucky by playing the Lakers for the title. The 04 Lakers were a catastrophe. Kobe was out all the time with a controversial case. Shaq was in the worst shape of his career. The team was never on the same page. It's honestly a miracle they even made the finals.
BS. The 04 Lakers only crumbled in The Finals because Malone reaggravated his knee injury & there was no one to replace his passing, points, and interior defense.
@@melvinhhcp3615 Kobe himself said their biggest issue was the lack of communication. They couldn't get into their sets and didn't work well enough together to complete their gameplan.
Btw, if you're really relying that heavily on a 40 year old Karl Malone, you're not in a good spot to begin with.
@@rukaumora8723 The communication breakdown in The Finals was because they had ZERO depth at PF... 40 year old Malone shut down 04 Duncan in the 2nd round, who was FMVP in 03. So yeah. Karl's presence mattered.
@melvinhhcp3615 Idk if dropping Duncan's avg of 23 down to 21 and getting outrenounded is really shutting him down, but sure, his presence was missed. That's the point. He was missed. This means the Lakers had to rely on a washed 40 year old Malone. Meaning they were in a bad spot. Like I said.
@@rukaumora8723 Kobe said it was" lack of communication "the reason they lost but that was just him trying to take the heat off himself. In reality the Lakers lost because Kobe played terrible and instead of feeding Shaq inside he decided to force every shot and shot 30% from the field and 17 % from 3 with 4 turnovers per game
Im a defence fan as much as the next guy but at a certain point a Rip hamilton and Chauncey billups led offense would fizzle in a series against one of the greatest teams of all time
It depends on the rules. If we’re playing by 2004 rules the pistons win period. KD folds with physical defense… remember what Boston did to him and Kyrie. There’s no air space rules to protect shooters so Steph and clay are getting an entirely different level of contests on their jumpers. Those moving screens are getting met with extreme physicality and Draymond will get his azz beat for getting his n Ben’s or Sheed’s face. They also had Jason Maxiel. This is the malice at the palace team and the whole squad had black air force 1 energy. Relax. Draymond would get himself suspended quick.
The 04 Pistons win in 6. They changed the way the league played defense because of this team.
If it’s terms of affect the warriors changed basketball more than the pistons
@odoaiden3525 I agree with you 100%. The league and fans wanted more offense than defense, and the Warriors embodied that. I personally like a balance of both.
@@thebionicbassplayer ok but how does that make the pistons win (also the warriors were a great defensive team)
Excellent breakdown. I will add that I think RIP and Curry would check each other as well as Klay and Chauncey would check each other.
That Pistons were a very unselfish team and offensively took advantage of the best match each night. In this series the pistons would have 3 favorable match ups were the warriors only have 2. Nobody on the Pistons can guard Curry or Durant. And whoever Curry, Durant, and ZaZa are guarding is a very favorable match up for the Pistons.
The Pistons had the better deeper bench with veteran guys.
The way the Pistons played defense was straight man to man with no help except Ben could freelance. So Curry and Durant would get their buckets but the other guys would be locked down. So I have the Pistons in 6.
Curry and Durant in foul trouble. Curry too weak to guard Chauncey and too short to guard anyone else. KD can guard Prince, but he will spend a lot of time on Sheed.
If you let curry and Durant get there buckets that’s 80 there alone and contrary to popular belief the defense on that 2017 warriors team was good they would hold the 04 pistons to under 100 in the modern day and under 85 in the 2000s
I also believe that since Draymond is limited offensively, this evens the series out, but I'll take gsw in 7
Do the best MJ team vs the best LeBron team. Would be a fun video. Probably MJ second 3peat Bulls vs The Miami Heat Big 3?
It would be a fun series to watch, but I don't see any way for the Pistons win.
I think Johnny missed the part where sheed said that they played really slow on offense and ran down the shot clock also GS would have to play defense deep into the shot clock which would lower the possessions of the games given i still don't think they are beating that warriors team that team was to much
Wouldn’t the argument be if Detroit can run the defensive sets they want that it would impact the warriors pace negatively?
I think using pace of play is a little flawed in this scenario. It's not like either team will just shoot more or less threes or change how they stylistically play.
They'll each play their own game and quite frankly, the warriors were where they're at because of how optimized the players and game evolved.
That being said, I wonder what pace vs pace has been like historically. Do high pace teams drop down to a lower paced match up? Or maybe it's the other way around or even somewhere in the middle? Which teams usually win?
Anyone who thinks those pistons are getting washed is crazy tbh maybe they lose in 5-6 but prob not many points between em rip is one of the only guys i can remember running more than klay or steph