HTC One M8 with Windows Phone 8.1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2014
- HTC sent over their One M8 - this time equipped with Windows Phone 8.1. A year and a half ago I tested Windows Phone for a month and decided that it really couldn't compare to iOS or Android for enthusiast use. Has my opinion changed after using the One M8?
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I can imagine Linus looking at this in 2019
in 2023*
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"IT'S A PHONE FOR NO ONE" (Linus 2014)
not even for a mom... that's sad because even she would want more functionality
honestly the windows phone ecosystem would be too complicated for a mom
Hewson Tran true, my mom has a windows phone and she constantly asks me how to change the settings. What i mean is that its a phone that's too complicated but yet unsuitable for normal use, like that of a parent :)
i think we all agree with linus here without a doubt
really? what makes you choose windows phone?
I switched to a Nokia with Windows Phone and to me I find it runs faster than any android phone I owned and I even owned a Galaxy Nexus at one point but my Nokia 520 has less lag and much better battery life
Same here
it lasts more because it can't do anything and it's always in standby
good one....
EqualsDeath
What "can't it do"
MellowCream most thing other phones can
This review confused me. While Linus was right about the email notification crap, he complains about swyft key not being in the store yet doesn't even touch the built in swipe keyboard which is the best keyboard i've ever used. TH-cam plays in I.E so a youtube app isn't even necessary.
I don't use swipe . There's more to alternate keyboards than swipe.
As for TH-cam in ie it's a joke. That was one of the many complaints I cut to keep this video from being 20+ minutes long
LinusTechTips There are a number of 3rd party TH-cam apps that work great on WP. If Microsoft were playing the game Google is with Microsoft over Google services, Microsoft would be under anti-trust investigation for it.
LinusTechTips
The 3rd party TH-cam apps are great. And please, don't complain about not having an official one, because that's not Microsoft's fault. There used to be an official app, but Google decided to delete it. Same with the other Google services. They just have something against Microsoft for some reason.
As a youtube creator I can see why you would have complaints about I.e youtube. As a consumer it works just fine for me and before that I never has a problem with the youtube 3rd party apps. My hope is that Microsoft seems to be less about restriction these days which might open up better relations with Google which in turn will give more google services to windows phone. That said i'm an avid microsoft consumer and don't miss anything really after going from IOS to WP 8.1 on my lumia Icon.
If you are going to bash another OS on a phone never tell them what is really good about it. Just pick on the negative things. That is pretty much how the internet works anymore the last 2 years, everything negative gets all the audience screaming YAY!!!! Reality is something nobody has time for now days. If that is all he has to worry about is his picky gripes about a phone and some of those gripes are not valid, oh the world we live in. People would rather believe someone then go and educate themselves and find out the truth about a product. Sad fact is that commercial 1984 actually fits the company who created it. Now they are big brother.
I created a community based project called windows phone revival project. We're working on sniffing the usb traffic to see what part of the registry is being modified and see if we can recreate it so its possible to download xap files
How do you load windows 8.1 on an iPhone?
Not sure where to put in the disc...
You grab a hammer and try to slam of the back.
Please no jokes. I have a genuine problem installing the software.
Throw eggs at it
You have to compremise the CD and then put in in the lighning port
Son of a Zombie you have to crack open the screen, take it off, leave the disc inside the phone and just put another screen on top
Linus you do FANTASTIC phone reviews and reviews in general! Please do more videos like this! You give many angles and your videos are enjoyable to watch! Keep it up!!!
I've been using the windows phone for over a year on a lumia920 and I love it. Works great especially syncing information through my computer workstation and surface. I work in network administration and consulting, I thought it was more professional looking and mature then ios and Android in the face of clients and is definitely more for business work oriented people. I love widows phone and will continue to keep it. I think people in the consulting industry would get a great use of of out, especially of you need to access our forward a huge file easily and email it or transfer to another file.
It seems as if many of the things that are frustrations for Linus about navigating through Windows Phone menus are easily fixed if he actually took the time to learn how to use the menus. He hasn't. Everyone knows that if you want to go back and look at other emails in your inbox or drafts you just hit the back button..... Also his issue with trying to call people quickly is easily fixed with Linus simply hitting one of the organization letters in the list of contacts that brings up a list of contacts based on the first letter of their name. Hit any letter, it shows list of all contacts under any possible letter, hit S, and call slick, don't search for him Linus!!!!!
I show in the video how back doesn't do that. And when you have lots of contacts per letter like me that's not faster at all.
LinusTechTips I suppose you could just use the search option in the dialer app and type the exact name of the person you'd like to call. No searching through multiple letters or even going into the contacts app.
LinusTechTips That is very odd.... Could it be that they made it less intuitive with Windows Phone 8.1? I have been running Windows Phone 7.8 for the last two years and have absolutely loved the structure of the operating system, that being said I do not have Cortana, but this is still very weird. I agree with you that there have been some odd choices made my Microsoft in terms of operating system functionality. Microsoft pick up the ball!!!!! I know you can do it!!!!
Kareem Anderson That is what he did in the video and apparently that is the fastest method and yet it is still slow.
LinusTechTips Oh wow, in retrospect my response was completely unwarranted!!! I looked up that issue to find out that that issue is something that is not present on Windows Phone 7 I have been running that for quite some time. Geez how these things change....
I'm disappointed Linus, this is one of the least objective reviews you have ever done. You made it abundantly clear that it doesn't work for you, but you fail to understand that it does everything 50% of smartphone users want to do, and arguably does it better. I'm very technologically inclined and prefer Windows Phone having used ios and android due to its fluid never-crashing experience and its fantastic integration with the windows ecosystem. Xbox music on android...oh right...
There's more to ecosystem than the first party aspect. Xbox music isn't supported by sonos, so I don't care about it unfortunately. Once you go sonos it's hard to go back.
So I use google music for reasons that go beyond it's solid integration with android AND ios (both of which I use almost daily)
Also I think your 50% number is out to lunch. Consider normal people, not just geeks. What if a new mom buys a mimo smart baby monitor? She'll get home and discover it doesn't work with her phone. Here's another example: the power up app controlled paper airplane kit.
The fact that you can live without this stuff is great but normal people don't want to worry about that crap. They just want to feel like if they buy a smartphone in 2014 it should "work".
I realize for windows phone to get to that level it will have to sell some units so it's a chicken-egg situation... But frankly that's not my problem and I'm not ping to recommend my viewers spend their HARD EARNED money on something because I feel like it could be better if more people bought it. That would be completely irresponsible of me as a reviewer.
LinusTechTips I understand your perspective and I very much appreciate you responding to my comment. I simply have had a different experience recommending Windows Phone then you stipulate would occur. Both of my parents got Windows phones and, despite being technologically challenged, have not had a single problem using them. My Wife and seven of my friends have them and have never looked back to Android or IPhone respectively. I think you bring up a good point regarding Sonos; once you become entrenched in Windows Phone, Android, or IOS and build your digital life around any one of them, it makes little sense to switch. I wouldn't switch from Windows Phone for that reason and you wouldn't switch to Windows Phone for that reason. I don't think that you did this review from the perspective of someone who has yet to choose a platform, but maybe there just aren't many of them anymore.
Thanks again for responding,
Ryan McFarland
Xbox Music alone should be the killer app for music lovers. I miss that so much.
LinusTechTips That mother can easily download many baby monitor apps and get a monitor for it. www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/baby-monitor/7d7a08dd-e5c6-4b11-b221-2f9b5f15c8da About Sonos, if your talking the wireless speakers, i don't understand why it wouldn't work. That's liek saying JBL doen't support iTunes. And that is kind of my point with Windows Phone, things just work for me, whereas for Android I have to MAKE it work. Like, for instance, syncing my contacts from Outlook. TOOK ME FOREVER to get it to work correctly. Findly figured out I had to download a STUPID app to make it work. Why should I have to do that, just because Apple says there is an app for that?
Wow, so much of this thread aged like milk lol
Just ordered my HTC one M8 yesterday, cant wait
Linus,
great job! I was really looking for exactly those kinds of comparisons/test to consider new products I might have a look at. You now have one more new subscriber, keep up the good work!
It's pretty stupid to complain about the CONSISTENCY in windows phone to be honest. You Start out on your Start screen - with you so far - you slide down the notification center and tap on an email - it opens. With you so far. You then hit the BACK button. Where would any person in their right mind think you go to now?
DING DING DING
yes OF COURSE you go BACK to the place you were at BEFORE: THE START SCREEN. It's a BACK BUTTON not a "OPEN MY GMAIL INBOX BUTTON".
0M9H4X He didn't complain that the back button took you to the home screen. He complained that there was no possibility to go to the inbox from the email. No Button at the top left, no swiping gesture, nothing could get you to all the other mails. That's the problem.
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ah I understand it better now, thanks. he could swipe down though and open the next email from the notification center
All these people be like 'Well no apps on windows phone so naaa i wont get it'.
If you got it, and lots of people did, it would give incentive to developers to make apps silly. Stop criticizing the OS - is is awesome, criticize the silly devs who wont develop for it!
Also if keyboard is your problem, get a fucking blackberry.
Nobody is going to switch to an OS they can't use, just for the sake of being that 0.0001% rise in incentive. *You have to give the consumers incentive to switch to the platform* and as of now, Windows Phone doesn't provide _any_ of that incentive.
"Pebble App cannot take calls/texts due to Microsoft policies."
That is one of many examples where it is 100% Microsoft's fault that Windows phone is lacking in features.
You have no idea how to run a business right? Developers have to live off of something and WP does not offer the userbase you need to make your investment worthwhile. Either MS has to pay them to make up for it or they simply won't do it - that's not "silly", that is them being reasonable. Also, the OS has enough flaws in and of itself.
OK All you reasonable people Franco Selem Thomas Riddle LameFakeNameFTW ... if Microsoft and Devs worked together, not live in this cold war this wouldn't happen. Also, Microsoft wont knowingly make it hard for the Devs.
I really would like to see more integration with the windows Eco system. Like tile mirroring, windows remote, area awareness, etc....
This was the best Windows 8.1 phone review I've seen on youtube. As much as I love and support microsoft, their unable to provide an easy and effortless experience on their phones. (even laptops). I can totally relate with you on the email part. Even on my laptop it took my some time to figure out where the hell my drafts went or how do I add new email accounts....
to be fair 2 of my 3 ALL FREE youtube apps on WP8 can actually pre download and permanently download videos regardless of their cointent, which is really cool, and that YTs buffer system doesnt work for shit if you dont have perfect reception.
also, what is a youtube ad? Ive never seen one on my windows phone. with FREE apps.
I find this video a bit biased.
1. He says it is difficult to type but it is different experience for different people. Just because he doesn't like the swype function doesn't mean other people won't. The swype function, which is integrated to all wp8.1 keyboard enables me to type very fast. It even learns your most used words.
2. If you want to demonstrate the camera app, then you should use the nokia one. It is absolutely brilliant. And there are a plenty of apps provided exclusively by Nokia like offline Here maps, Here drive etc which makes the windows phone experience better.
3. There are already 300,000 apps in the store and most of the top iphone and android app are already there.
4. Yes there are no official google apps like youtube for Windows phone but you have to blame google for that. Microsoft made a very good youtube app but Google blocked microsoft from assessing its APIs. But the 3rd party apps are very good as well. It does everything you need or want from the official google apps. And seriously, if you want to experience google then buy a f@#king android phone.
5. Settings can be easily assessed by from the notification centre.
6. Cortana is awesome.
7. He completely missed how well it is integrated with all the Microsoft services like One drive, One note, Microsoft office etc, which can't be found on Android. Millions of people use these Microsoft services.
8. He is picking on few apps which most people don't even know about.
9. Windows phone is much more secure than Android.
Windows phone works flawlessly for me. I was an IPhone user and I don't miss it even a bit. Stop expecting android's or iPhone features in WP. If you like Android, then be happy with it. If you like Apple, then be happy with it. Conflict arises when you expect android features in other platforms. And if you want to experience Windows phone, get the latest Lumia phone like the Icon or 830. Not this HTC...
This example couldn't get any better like it's so perfect.
and i'm always love your work linus !
A lot of the issues that you complained about were from a lack of experience with the os. You can increase text size for readability, you can go back to the mail client by picking the mail icon in the drop down instead of the specific email, and a lot of the third party apps work well (seeing as I am using the third party TH-cam app, metrotube right now to type this)... I am okay with the lack of apps, because I quite frankly don't use most of the garbage cluttering up the play store... That is why I switched. And since when is the text prediction slow? The keyboard uses similar APIs as word, so it not only fixes spelling mistakes, but will also fix grammar mistakes automatically (such as its vs it's), and will also suggest next words based on what you were typing.
Windows phones are still a thing? Holy crap I seriously thought the whole concept was scrapped at this point. What's the market share on windows phone compared to android/apple? it must be abysmal. I have access to 6 different cell phone carriers where I live and I don't think a single one of them even offers windows phones.
Checked market share a couple days ago.
Android around 70% (increased 3% from 2013 to 2014)
iOS 20% (decreased 3% from 2013 to 2014)
Windows Phone 10% (increased 3% from 2013 to 2014)
you are missing the BEST mobile OS. :)
Milo Gutiérrez How can 2 increase by 3 and one decrease by 3?
Head on Toast Mabye because of some java based os.
Head on Toast Symbian and blackberry getting under 1% i guess, crushed them out of the market share.
I was interested trying out a Nokia Lumia but this review made me rethink. Great review! Thanks!
@93Legit HTC One M8 is running WP 8.1 Update 1 out of the box!
I've been using Windows Phone for 10 months now after having a 2012 Nexus 7 and an HTC Desire. And the platform is really not that bad... I like the UI, all the apps I need are here, it's fast, the camera is awesome (at least on Lumias)... My only complaint is the scam apps. But if you're dumb enough to pay for a facebook app or a new keyboard even though you can't change it, then you shouldn't be using a smartphone anyway...
Windows phone 8.1 already has a swipe keyboard integrated. Why get swift key?
Typing predictions and accuracy
Drake Facione They have typing predictions, and they're extremely accurate with it. I've had a windows phone for 3 years and when windows phone 8.1 came out, I was shocked because the swiping was much more accurate than any other swipe keyboard I've ever used. BTW I'm an avid phone buyer.
Xavier Gonzalez Have you tried SwiftKey? Does the stock keyboard learn what you intent to type? Can it be customised (size, layout, skin, etc.)? Can you adjust the long press duration? Can you change around the keyboard itself (arrow keys, numpads, etc.)? Heck, you can even un-dock the damn thing from the bottom of the screen and move it around. SwiftKey is still better. Granted not the most responsive (Google Keyboard wins in that area) but still better than most other stock keyboards.
but you can't use it anyway.
+Hatsune Miku “Vocaloid” comparing a stock app that comes with the phone to one you have to pay, be serious, not that much people uses all the features swiftkey has.
Niko_2142 If you do your research a bit you'll find that Swiftkey is now free. It was paid before and yes I did pay for it. As for why I compared it to the stock app please read the first guy's comment, hence my reply (if you're too lazy: he asked the difference between SK and the stock app, quote "Why get swift key?").
I actually really liked WP7, as I didn't really use many apps at the time. That said, now that I've had a GS3 for awhile I don't think I could go back to having no app support. I still love how clean WPs UI is.
Solid review. Keep up the good work!
The reason why theres no Support for Google Apps is because Google declined when they wanted to make official applications, which makes you think, why doesnt Microsoft shit on Android and Apple and garb off the Office etc support.
You are exactly on point on the OS.
Usage numbers make the app environment and therefore the support of it (features - apps - variety- ease of use etc). Otherwise the core programming of this OS is by far the most well structured of the three.
And for all is worth I'd rather have 3 very viable and different alternatives than 2 or 1 to rule them all...
At last each and every one start thinking and making choices according to your taste, reason, knowledge and personal benefit as end users, not as the flock you chose to represent...
I can't take any name serious that says m8 ._.
gr8 m8 r8 8/8 plz no h8
Enter the g8 to face your f8 or we could go on a d8
NiallTheAwesome gr8 b8 m8
Get fokin rekt m8
Lazarshow gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
1:58 From that expression itself you can understand the quality of this review
You can't really compare here maps/navigation with iOS's or android's. Its almost-every-country's map is free and offline. Very useful for roadtrips when going overseas.
podimerlin Yeah, it would have been nice if Linus took the time to discover any of this.
Cortana is so tempting, but I hate the Windows 8 look for a phone OS.
Its the reason Windows 7 went to MetroUI in 8, to match windows phone in a...terrible way.
wolf star don't cause fanboyism
Honestly, you're probably not gonna use it that often anyway.
The_PYTHON_Factor Depends on who you are I suppose, but I use her all the time. Its way easier to set alarms, add appointments and reminders to my calendar by talking than it is to type it in. Also the location and people based reminders are amazing. Cortana does a lot of other things as well, within her 'notebook' that have integrated very well into my day to day.
nintendonick Im not? How am I starting it???
This video is a great commentary on the issues with market dominance and anti-competitive actions taken to ensure that dominance stays in place, especially Linus' closing comments.
Switftkey has a build in replacement in WP 8.1 called Swipe. It's on be default and that's why there aren't any apps for it because it already is there by default.
Anyone else see a problem with TH-cam video quality ? i see a lot of aliasing in every new video.
Yes, especially when its not in full screen.
I have this weird problem with the TH-cam video player from like a week ago.
Everytime i watch a video and change the video quality a fuckin' pop up pops up (lol) and says something like "an error has ocurred,try again later" and then starts loading again and i have to change the quality again.
It's annoying but atleast i can watch the videos
There have been hardware acceleration issues for a while now, not sure if it's just Intel graphics or if it's TH-cam.
jesus yes.. 720p/480p+the normal window size= JAGGED MAYHEM.. and i am using the html5 video playback with h/w acceleration turned on from chrome settings.
Same with the youtube android app, it would straight up refuse to play some videos or take 2 years to buffer (my internet is on point).
MsMonster128 Same here :/
6:40 Well that didn't age well.
Funny thing is my mom would love this phone. Its just like her 8XT but all metal. Ive always hated windows phones but for some reason shes loves it because its simple to use
Thank you for the review!
Linus you mentioned that youtube is paid for but apps like "Metrotube" and "myTube" are the best in the app store and are free. Try not hating on windows phone so much, I understand coming from a android or iPhone to a windows phone device is un-comfortable but be open minded. :3
What I said is that the fact that it requires a 3rd party app, some of which paid, will confuse intermediate users
LinusTechTips ah. Covering all areas, sorry I got slightly confused. :3
LinusTechTips You're talking against yourself a little here. The whole point of the video is if it is for the enthusiast, yet you're mentioning a big chunk on things that might be problematic for the intermediate user, which an enthusiast user would know as a matter of fact.
I read long ago that Microsoft made a beautiful youtube app for WP. Google demanded to take it down. Google made it impossible for MS to re-write the app due to google API restrictions.
LinusTechTips Funny, I typed "TH-cam" in my windows phone store and the first result was Metrotube. How is this confusing?
Buying a cheap windows phone is okay
But buying a pricey on is kinda crazy.
+AMK Have you seen the specs of the new lumia 950 and lumia 950 XL?
2560x1440 5.7" display
518 ppi
20MP camera
expandable memory up to 200Gb
2.0 GHz octa-core
triple flash
iris scanner.
Also, windows 10 mobile... which will make android and ios apps compatible with windows phone, so that developers can just transfer the apps, in stead of making a new one.
so there will be way more apps.
james wasda 1)The 950 XL wasn't announced when I wrote this comment.
2) Specs aren't everything.
3) The app support might get better but it's currently not as good as android or ios.
4)Even when the app support does become as good as that of Android and IOS, Windows Phone will most likely not have the openness and customizability of Android since it is not an open source OS so android fans will probably not consider a Windows Phone. And Apple fans will also probably not consider one for certain reasons.
AMK
1) That is very true, and I just noticed that.
2) true, specs aren't everything, but specs are a very large part of why to buy a phone, and buying a phone just because of its software is not well thought out.
3) Currently it is not as good as android or ios, but that will improve soon
4) Android being open source gives way for many viruses. I know many people who have complained about viruses on their android phones, and have seen ones that are literally unusable because of these viruses. That's why I will never use android.
james wasda There are many android phones with all the latest specs and more of them are coming.
And about the virus thing. If windows phone does mange to become popular it will also get many viruses. And there are 5 android phones and 2 android tablets in my home. None of them have ever gotten a virus. Some people do get viruses but a majority of people don't.
But you know what get a Windows phone if you like it. It's your money not mine. You decide how you wanna spend it. I just don't see the point in getting a Windows phone.
AMK windows phone is closed source, that's why it can't get viruses, that's the same reason why OSX can't easily get viruses.
But yes, yes I will get a windows phone, in fact, I have a lumia icon right now. so thanks, and good day to you sir.
I am using Lumia 525 for around 2 years and best part about windows phone OS is it never crashes and I like my windows phone very much😊
I'm waiting on the HTC U FKIN WOT M8 coming out.
ther is 100 billion views on dis video. how dose that hapen if ther is only 70 billion peeple in tha world? someone haked the youtoob
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Only like 7,2 billion bro.
Quick get tha toaster
This is why PewDiePie disabled comments
dis iz not youtoob iz youboob
I have all 3 platforms (iOS, Windows Phone, and Android) and I think you were being a little unfair. I am not biased to one platform as I love them all for different reasons, but what can you expect Microsoft to do about Google apps not being on Windows Phone? They are more or less just as profitable as each other, no amount of money Microsoft offers will persuade Google, they just have to wait until they decide to stop being dicks. Also, about the wearable thing, Windows Phone does support SMS, emails, and phone calls to be pushed to wearables. In fact, Kreyos does exactly that (confirmed by manufacturers). Of course, it's not perfect, and I would even argue that it's quite behind in many areas, but you were far to dismissive and unfair in this review. You came in with a preconceived idea, instead of an open mind. Overall, I liked your video, because I knew you were genuine and sincere with the review, and that is all I look for, regardless if you agree with me or not.
i have a windows phone 8 for more than an year, and after 1 month using it i learn how to work with it in a efficient way and i don't have any of the problems that linus talked about, and my computer runs MAC OS X
the first week of using the phone is quite slow, but after you've got all the shortcuts and stuffs figured out, you can use it quite fast.
Microsoft does not need third party keyboards, their stock keyboard is the best keyboard of all time. Plus you can swype with it since wp8.1 but anyways this phone is cool. I wish Sony would put WP on the Xperia z2 or z3
Amen to that. Those 20mp Exmor Camera and Water and dust proof is just too awesome.
I do too. Or better yet, Microsoft make a waterproof Lumia.
I discovered your channel recently and I liked it a lot until now... this review seems somehow biased and it's disappointing.
+Geviron And about emails in the notification center, the functionality you are looking for happens when you click on outlook logo in the notification center instead of a specific email.
I've been using WP8 for 2 years now, and I honestly just don't think you get it. I love the OS, and you couldn't get me to go back to anything else. Few apps, yeah, but that is getting better all the time. That's the only thing I can complain about my phone.
I like the way they are going with the software. I would love the option to use any OS on my phone of choice. What would be better is to be able to change my OS or multi boot.
Is it just me, I don't understand why you complain about lack of official swift key app, then say you don't care that swipe keyboard is a built in feature anyway. Your criticism about not knowing what to do could easily be said about anyone using android or ios for the first time. Not really a great review IMO from someone as technical as yourself.
This what happens an iPhone fanboy reviews an windows phone. there are so many mistakes in this video. 3rd party you tube apps don't costs you anything and they're 10x better than iPhone and android you tube app.and cortana stays along to confirm when you ask something,you don't have to tap and mic.and in the notifications when you tap on the app name it takes you to full app. Yes it's not great compared to androids functionality but it's way better than iPhone. iPhone may have apps but it's locked down OS.
In the video I said some of which cost money and I actually demonstrate the clicking to continue talking to cortana :)
How is Linus an iphone fanboy when he owns a M8 lol.
LinusTechTips and Linus as I know have been using android for quite a while, so you can't realy call him an "iPhone fanboy"
1. Linus is an Apple fanboy? Sure, when he starts using the iOS version of the M8.
2. Some 3rd party apps for services may be halfway decent but they (IMHO) don't match the general usability of the official apps. I HAVE tried then. So there.
3. iPhone may be locked down now but Apple has promised 3rd party keyboard support, along with other APIs. Also, an argument could be made that WP8's lack of developer support in general makes it more locked down and limited than iOS.
He's not a fanboy. The OS is just not developed well... Or at all...
6:07 Cortana will listen for after she's done talking. You dont have to press the microphone button again and again. It's actually shown in your video at 6:07
But, then again. Judging by your start screen (desktop) and the fact that you did not even try to customize it really shows how you are committed to this review. It's more like an in-store hands on impression.
I used to have a Windows Phone (Lumia 520) and it was a good phone, but when I broke it and got a Moto G, I am using it soooo much more because it just plain and simply works with hardly any issues. (issues = little bit of lag here and there)
Linus i like you & your channel a lot, but you should really stick to computers...
This is Linus "Tech" Tips. Not Linus "Computer Tips."
Phones are sure as hell technology.
This review is for a computer...it happens to have phone functionality too.
toteu000 I agree, I think he has lost all objectivity regarding phones.
yeah phones are computers?
GGamer720 i don't mind what he is reviewing/presenting as long if he is good at it, that's why i still recommend that he sticks with computers & PC parts
You really should just stick to computer reviews imo.. I'm no bias to any OS but this 'review' is just bad. It's like you are not even trying and just straight away do nitpickings from where you left off from your last WP review based on you so called 'enthusiast' usage, which btw almost the majority of the people aren't.
Btw,the 'swift key' is already built into the OS (it is called word flow)*facepalm*. And as if there is no scam/malware apps in Android. Shows how bad your review is..
Altruistic He admitted on the WAN show that he was rushed. I know he has overhead to pay and appearances to keep up by releasing videos daily, but I would have gladly gone a few days without videos to see this review done objectively.
Altruistic First of all, SwiftKey is the name of a third party keyboard. Hey was complaining that third party keyboards aren't available, which is a legitimate complaint. I think the word you were looking for was "Swype," and he did address that it was already present.
The reasons he brought up enthusiast usage is because a) that's the perspecticve he's coming from, and b) because the m8 is one of the most expensive phones out there. Again, seems reasonable.
You really don't find much, if any, malware in the Android Play Store. At the very least, the bad apps don't last anywhere near a month before being taken down, especially when they bear the name of a well known third party keyboard...
Which of his complaints weren't legitimate?
Thomas Riddle Nah its actually called Word Flow
A Mallick I am aware, but I was referring to the Android equivalent, as was he.
Altruistic By the way, Linus makes the vast majority of his money off of sponsors, not off of TH-cam views.
Linus for the love of computer cases (I didn't know what else to put there). Please do a video review of the In Win S-Frame Aluminum PC tower.
just an idea for a topic i think you should talk about cpu socket's and compatibility, mem slots supported by cpu's! maybe???
keep up the excelent work!
The fact is that Linus use a WP as an Android.
Using Gmail,Google +, TH-cam.
He didnt tried TH-cam pro or metro tube apps (and the preinstalled youtube app is much better than the android app for my point of view because i prefer watch youtube on the navigator of my phone).
Windows phone is Windows so u can't use it like an Android they are rival. On windows phone you use hotmail not Gmail, one drive not the google app. It's stupid to try using google apps on wp because google intentionnaly make them worst on windows phone. You wouldnt build a better car for your ennemy than yours?
But all those problems can be fixed by using the windows phone navigator. Windows phone is so much faster, and never lost his power. My old lumia 800 is as fast as my mother's galaxy s3 in all days usage. I don't tell about my 925...
Android users or iOS user's want to use their phone to play games or get a lot of apps that they uninstalll the same day. But on Windows phone the fact is that Nokia dominate the market so the best part of it is the photo part. Battery life are longer too, and when I see on Windows phone we have really good games, i don't want to return to android. We dont have 99999 apps. Most of our apps are not so good, but the fact is that good apps on windows phone outperformed all apps on iOS or Android.
I runned on the Galaxy TEOS, saw the galaxy note, the s3, the s4, the tab, the iPhone4/4s/5/5s, iPad 1/2 and mini in my family. And i saw people replacing all their computer, tv etc just to say "all my apple devices are conected -_-".
If i would give ONE advice to Linus is to try Windows phone as a new system and not use it as a google device because it is not a google device. I know he is a youtuber and it is difficult to not use all google apps but all of it work good on the navigator and all other windows phone features,for my point of view, outperformed android.
SOrry for my bad english i'm french. I hope Linus read it and test again. (I would say that it would be better to try a Nokia like the 930 or 830 or any good nokia device than a HTC because HTC is not the best choice on windows phone.)
Hmmm...why do I love my lumia 925 Windows phone?
Well, I don't need billions of apps and a phone that shatters easily....so no to Apple.
My Android phone used to freeze and force close on phone calls, plus I got lied to about upgradeability, so I have no trust for them. Phone needs to be phone first!
I've dropped my Nokia numerous times, but you can't tell. Love having the basics. Love that it is upgrading. I love the clean look of the tiles, and I love having something unique. That's who WP is made for. :)
LinusTechTips Stop putting annotations on screen before the end frames even appear. I like exiting full-screen with a double click...
Linus, you need to sync the email for the draft thing to pop-up (same as in android Outlook, at least for me). Also the Outlook app settings need to be set up as to what to sync and what to ignore. The back button thing for GMail act the same, though they have the added button for going to the main inbox.
But yeah doesn't look like Windows phone will be usable unless they change a lot of things and policies.
Linus, I normally like your videos but you are so biased when it comes to Microsoft. I've never seen in any other video that every time you complimented something you had to remind the user that everything is beautiful today. I didn't expect much from this review, but this video was very disappointing anyway. I'm a guy who have been using android, WP and iOS and I just feel like you are leaving a lot out in videos like these. To me it feels like you just took at quick list to see what is new, reviewed that and took your old review as a base. You can do better. Sincerely Jazerix
Thise phones are pointless and annoying. Not an apple fanboy but
I still own my iphone4 since day one and the performance of my cellphone is still like new.
It has the latest software provided by apple, well besides siri but who really uses that.
it's slow as shit. don't tell us fairy tales, we've seen iPhone 4 and iOS 7. pathetic. but understandable being it a phone from 2010 and with a single core processor
my iphone 4 runs more than fine^ the apps launch faster than on most androids phones. and who need a fullHD screen on this size^ i that it fits in my pocket...
ip4 is laggy as fuck. dont deny it bro i also have one.
Amazing how much "outrage" a second or two in response times can make ehhhh?
***** the 5 is aight man. but yeah, even my 4s is starting to show it's age. it's acceptable, but iPad air FLIES in comparison
Look forward to HTC Butterfly 2, coming very soon. It has features that HTC M8 should have had.
If you receive 29 emails on the notification center, you better press the HEADER of the notification group instead of the first email. It works differently as it'll open the mailbox as a whole, then you can open first new and navigate trhu the other ones with the arrows. Same applies for any other grouped notifications.
I'm sorry but I still don't think Linus is a good phone reviewer. I say stick to PC oriented stuff.
I agree
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he is better than any other paid reviewers out there.. you want to see a positive paid review ???
adminmovie best example, pocketnow. And no, none of these people get paid extra, hell the companies don't even give them a phone to review. It's up to them to get one.
I'm sorry Linus, but i don't agree with you on this one. Normally you're spot on when criticising a product, but most of the stuff you're criticising on here is just caused by the fact that you don't quite know how to use WP efficiently. You expect it to work like Android, but it simply doesnt in most cases. I think if you gave it some time, you'd find it more intuitive than android.
Another thing: Although Windows apps run great on non-windows devices, they work FAR better on a Windows Phone, Where the android ones often just feel like a bad port (which is Microsofts own fault, but still).
The apps store though... It's a freaking mess. For me this is the only serious dealbreaker.
I switched from WP about 6 weeks a go (From Huawei Ascend W1 to HTC One m8). After having used Android for more than a month pretty intensively, i still think Windows has the superior interface, but app supprt and customizability on android is just far better.
I think that if WP would support Android apps, it would be a serious competitor.
The text size can be altered in the settings. The reason it was so small is because you have a full HD screen on that device and the standard text size scales to the resolution.
Windows Phone is only really lacking official Google apps, the other apps that most people use every day are there (Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, IE, Instagram, vine etcetera) and yes some of them are supported by third party apps but that's not the worlds most difficult thing to deal with.
The keyboard is actually the worlds second fastest smartphone keyboard (its crown was stolen earlier this year) and this is only the second major version of Cortana ever released, the next version will bring support for a "Hey Cortana" voice command.
And Microsoft started cleaning out the store a couple of weeks ago.....
Amazing review done to perfection
Oh my god this is only 6 years old and its just a complete memory of the past. What a failure lol. I know android phones from 10 years ago that work great still
yup. I have a windows phone. a working windows phone but you can't even play a video properly.
Linus plz stick to pc stuff. You obviously haven't used the new 8.1 OS more than a couple of days. By far the worst review you made and that's not due to your negative opinion rather than the ignorance. I could counter argue most of your falsified cons of the OS but won't matter as I'm no fan boy and not into pointless online versus wars. As a WP, Android and IOS user do to each its right, and on this one you missed it by a long shot...
I guess he should stay away from the Lumia Denim updates either. Or maybe he should MAKE AN APP and quit saying it doesn't have enough dev support. Blackberry had a lot of dev support and after everyone was all happy it was still alive again, now they do not give a damn anymore.
3:37 yeah. you ised it on the htc one m8. the speaker + the htc logo + the windows bar + the mail bar makes the keyboard pretty high up. you can swipe up to hide the windows bar, but for the speakers and htc logo, you're stuck.
Thank you very much, this vid helped me a lot :)
Way too much whining.
Its a review he's criticizing not whining.
Windows phone is a joke, MS needs to just give up on mobile.
They'll probably end up using branch of android skinned heavily to MetroUI later on :P lol jk idk
***** Really? Gaining marketshare? How about a huge decline. Read it here: bgr.com/2014/07/01/windows-phone-market-share-3/
I don't mind more competition in the mobile OS industry. If only Windows Phone was actually competitive.
Mainly, the problem with windows phone is that it came to the smartphone party late.
***** it is bad Microsoft ruined windows 8 becase of it on desktops
Thanks for the review I will keep my HTC m8 android edition over windows.
Ty linus, ibwas concidering buying a second smartphone, but a windows one, you truly changed my mind. Pls could you make the same thing but for Windows 7 and 8.1 as i am making a new pc in a week or 2 (for gaming) and dont know what to put on it. Thanks already.
TH-cam is because of google. Their support for wp is terrible. They refuse to make official wp apps. Wp is my favorite. I think it is much better than android
+Javier B A And there is the added bonus of not being able to get viruses like on android.
+james wasda Viruses are still present on Windows Phone/ Mobile. There just isn't the user base to warrant much effort for creating them. +NuggetsTM One in five apps on the Google Play store is malware (And Google doesn't give a shit), and just as many sites host viruses for Android as they do for x86 versions of Windows.
NuggetsTM Yes, all the fucking time. It doesn't even have to be a scketchy looking app. It isn't hard to become a verified developer on Google Play, impersonate a reputible developer, or even intercept application updates. The reputation Windows has built up regarding viruses (hasn't held true since 2005) is the reality of Android.
After 4 years of having windows phones, a major flaw occurred that made me give in to Android. About a week after I updated to windows 10 mobile, my Lumia Icon did an auto-update while I was sleeping. And it didn't update correctly, and now it's forever stuck in an infinite boot loop. I can't even initiate a hard reset. Now I have a galaxy note 7. Fantastic phone.
james wasda Happens with Android as well.
This is undoubtedly the worst "review" on this channel. This review if you can call it a review, can be easily summed up with the following "I love Android so much and I hate Windows Phone because it's not Android.".
Linus from now on stick to what you're good at. To be more precise computer hardware. Don't ever "review" a phone, ever again.
If you're really that desperate for views let Luke or Brandon or Ed or anyone to do phone reviews. But for the love of God just stay away from phones, it's not your domain.
Seriously stay the fuck away from phones.
Windows phone is my favorite OS, it allows you to customize the phone to your liking.
arranging lives tiles, bigger icons for the apps that you use the most, which provide additonal info, details.
I had the htc 8x since it became out till a few weeks ago.
I bought the htc one m8(android), I just couldn't handle the lack of apps.
i would gladly go back to it if it had more third party support, but for now I'm going to stick to android.
awesome honest review. I have the Lumia 1020 just because I wanted some thing different. I'll be switching back to Android next phone with out a doubt.
Thank you for this video. It was very informative. I thought WP 8.1 was easy to use and intuitive, with less functionality, but perfect for someone like my dad.
After watching this, I know that was a stupid idea. At least with Android, when he asks me how to do something, I can tell him or figure it out. But that "how do I go to other emails after I read this one" problem is just a huge dealbreaker.
I appreciate the review. I moved away from iPhone to this HTC windows phone not because I thought it might be better, but because I wanted something different...something new. To that end, this windows phone suits my needs perfectly. The lives tiles are incredibly convenient and cool and something that most of my Android and apple phone user friends are jealous of. Cortana is superior to Siri; the Blinkfeed news app is pretty cool; and the easy syncing with other windows and microsoft products is great for my work. I can't deny that the lack of apps is a major downfall, but not a deal breaker for me...I don't really need a million gaming apps to choose from.
I personally don't use alot of app on my Windows Phone so I haven't ran into any issues that Linus mentioned in this video. I was also on a budget when I bought my Windows Phone so that was a plus for me.
Waiting till 1080p will be up.. thanks for review anyways :)
Had my 8x since Nov 2012, only issues was after the last update. It magically says GOODBYE sometimes when waking up the phone. And oh the pain of waiting for the 8.1 update from Verizon.
Since I have a Lumia 735 i didn't meet the horrible freeze, my apps didn't close once, I have every app I need but Snapchat because SC doesn't want to develop their app and not even want to listen our community. And now, I just hope everything changes with Windows 10 and more people comes to the big square :)
Linus...any chance of a review when Windows 10 comes out on a windows phone ?
Weird I thought the keyboard was covering up the whole screen coz of my small phone screen & resolution but it does same thing on a full HD display too? Pathetic! Thanks for bringing this up!
WP 8.1 has a swift key type keyboard built in. Just start swiping through the letters.
As a person who owns a windows phone I know exactly what you mean. I own a lumia 520, solely because it was the cheapest and most reliable phone at the time (this was a few months before the moto g released)
I quite like the WP os for low end phones, but I really don't know why anyone would want that os on a high end phone. I intend to move away from the WP next time I get a phone as it just feels limited at times and really annoying to deal with the lack of certain apps.
Pretty conclusive review. Good job, I'd like to see a review of windows 8.1rt on the surface 2? Or maybe a surface pro 3 review? :)
Pr0No08 And it went worse than this one
This review wasn't conclusive at all. PocketNow approaches Windows Phone 8/8.1 properly, whereas Linus approached it as if it's a mirror of Android. This review was a horrible failure on nearly all points.
Pr0No08 Perfectly true. But approaching one environment and expecting it to behave like a different environment is naive and unprofessional.
Pr0No08 Really? i couldn't find it when i searched (obviously didnt search well :P ) Ill go have another look.
Linus really needs to come back and review windows phone 10 creators update i really wanna know what he thinks of it
Also forgot the apps which are available haven't been updated in 2-3 years!
Great video! Now where's the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Chroma unboxing and review?
Having just moved back to Android from a Windows phone, i can honestly say that - if you need a work phone that is efficient at calling, messaging, exchanged based email, basic social networking and camera stuff. You know, the basic smart phone stuff. Windows Phone is amazing. But if you need any sort of non-standard or 3rd party apps - it's a deal breaker. You can always argue if you like the interface or not, but the interface is designed around efficiency, and it adds just that.
well said and spot on!
2,500th video hype coming through