@@codycooper2261 Joe West actually was fined by the MLB for what he did in this game! Should've been suspended, but at least there was some accountability here
Two guys that couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight. I tend to think Angel Hernandez is the worst but Jaba West maybe a close second.
+CHilla415 Can't tell the first one (not a good camera angle shown), but the second was definitely a balk. He didn't step towards first base, but more towards the dugout (between home & first).
the fuck was the last commentator, "lucky he wasnt tossed last inning" WHAT! Look up controversial baseball calls and Joe West will have his name in all of them
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
They were both balks. He brought his knee back across the pitching rubber on both moves. And both ejections were mandatory. Arguing a balk and throwing equipment are automatic ejections per the rule book.
@@Rowgue51 those were not balks. He brought his leg toward first base. He also turned his body. You can tell he pivoted because his move to home has him move forward with a full body motion. He clearly didn't move toward home. He used that exact pick off move his entire career.
@@nickk6501 They're balks because when he raised his leg he brought it back over the pitching rubber. Once that happens it's a balk if you don't deliver a pitch.
Jim Joyce is one of the best umpires in MLB. Even as a RedSox fan and RedSox Nation member since 99, I can admit that the obstruction call during the World Series was a good call. Sadly, even though he's been voted by players as the best umpire 4 or 5 years in a row, all fans are going to remember is the Gallaraga call.
Greg B Yeah, Jim joyce is a class act and a great umpire. Yeah, he made one really bad call to prevent a perfect game, but unlike most umpires, he owned up to it and apologized and was very upset afterwards about it.
There should be some sort of "citizens arrest" thing. Where if the umpires are being like this, the players/managers can eject him. At the *very* least the other umpires can step in and do something lol I mean, come on... "(wave, wave) No no, go away. I dont want to talk about what I might have done wrong. Youre not going back to the dugout? (ejects the manager)"
Biggles McBumflap seriously? you people have no clue on the rules and think you do better job here my question if you can why aren't you out there doing it!
Announcers are correct. Joe West is a joke! He is like the old man that lives on the street and tells everyone that you can't park in front of his house. The league should kick him to the curb ASAP!
@@durielroberts360 Hawk Harrelson sounds like a drunk they pulled out of the stands, and he seems to have about the same level of baseball knowledge as well. Just because it's not balked consistently doesn't mean it's not a balk. After West balked him once, Buehrle should have been more careful.
Cubs fan here, so no real interest in defending the White Sox. But Hawk's always an entertaining commentator. He's not supposed to be some neutral arbiter of truth - he's the hometown commentator, of course he's going to be a homer!
Calling for an umpire to be suspended is way too far and completely unprofessional. But then again, being unprofessional is a calling card of Hawk. Hope he croaks soon
@@kylewilson2819 - if someone consistently shows that they can't do their job, then it is perfectly reasonable to ask that they be removed from it. Would you want a doctor operating on you if they proved over and over that they were inept at their job? I don't even follow baseball that much and I have seen tons of videos with this fool blowing calls. He's getting paid and deciding outcomes of games based on his errors. Sounds like someone who needs a new job to me.
He certainly did when Mark Wagner ejected Jose Quintina which caused Hawk to furiously lash out which led to him being reprimanded by then commissioner Bud Selig
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. .
@@brady13001 Although I do not agree, that was the next explanation of this incident that I have ever read. Kudos to you. Also, I'm just a fan, and you've umped as high up as the minors, so I admit that you obviously have more knowledge than I do in this case.
Joe West has entered the I don't give a shit portion of his career. If I was Beuhrle, I would have tossed my glove Joe West and said show us hows it done then. Some guys are just out to be a pain in the other persons ass. Joe West, retirement time has come, time to hang it up man.
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
Notice Angel Hernandez AND Joe West on the same umpiring crew. You walk out on that field and see those two and you know someone's getting tossed....like gravity.
because both WERE balks, if you bring your foot past the knee you MUST come home(1st balk) when you go to 1st you MUST step towards 1st, halfway between IS a balk
@@davidrooks3274 you're correct that both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
@@brady13001 i agree that both were balks, as I stated, the angle was wrong on the first one, but as to the 2nd one, it was a balk due to where his right foot landed, there is a line at 45 degrees, the foot lands less than 45 degrees it is a valid move, it lands more than 45 degrees it is a balk
David Rooks I know about the 45 degree line I’m an umpire. One of those balks was due to his shoulder. That came straight from Jim Evans a few years ago an umpiring camp that those trying to get into college ball go too.
The first one was tough to see from the camera angle but the second was not even close - BALK! And Guillen got tossed because you can't argue a balk and he was sheltering his pitcher.
The biggest joke here is the commentators and their behaviour. Not sure if Buehrle's action is a balk or not, the fact he's been using it for years doesn't make it legal. I've seen many cases of players using a movement that's close to the edge for years and then get upset when it just slides over the line.
When I slowed it down, I do think the 2nd one was a balk. Looks like he did cross his back leg with his front and start forward towards home. It's close but I do think it was a balk.
The biggest joke here is the commentators and their behaviour. Not sure if Buehrle's action is a balk or not, the fact he's been using it for years doesn't make it legal. I've seen many cases of players using a movement that's close to the edge for years and then get upset when it just slides over the line.
The first balk is very tough to tell because of the camera angle. The second balk shows Buehrle from behind (3B angle). His R leg does NOT go directly (or anywhere close to directly) towards 1B.
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. Again I dont mean this to be a smartass just in response. It's not an obvious balk to a lot of fans (even those who are lifelong fans) but to Umpires because of the way they're trained they were both obvious balks. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
People are saying this is a balk. Its not. 1. He did not cross his foot over the rubber. 2. He steped to first he never went home. Thats just an awful call on both of them.
You're partially right. Motion toward the plate or any motion associated with throwing toward home that is used to deceive the runner is a balk. There is no "45 degree rule" in any rule code other than NCAA... and it is only a comment in the NCAA book.
yes BOTH pitches were balks ... he was set in his stance and his forward leg did NOT go towards the first base it went halfway between the plate and base ... which is a balk ... you only get a 15eg leeway ... he was more than 30 deg away from first ...
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
Cleveland's version of the call was fine until the 2nd voice interjected with a bunch of bullshit. Buehrle did nothing in the previous inning to warrant getting thrown out. Nothing.
man i don't know much about the white sox broadcasters, but that color guy is really out of line here. really not appropriate to voice your opinions about the umpires like that. especially to go as far as to say that he should retire. that is really terrible and unprofessional. whether it was the right call or not, that's not the place of a broadcaster.
2010: "It's looking to be that time for Joe West" 2019 Joe west: It's been nine years and I'm just as bad but still doing this job for fun, what are you going to do about it bitch?
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. .
So what’s wrong with being biased I’ve been a White Sox fan my whole life and my being bias for being a White Sox fan? You goddamn right I am and your home team announcers are supposed to be biased if you don’t like listening to listen to your biased radio broadcasts you don’t think Ed farmers biased? Non-biased play calling is boring as fuck. And if you’re not a White Sox fan fine you listen to your biased play colors every teams got them.
First call: First move by Buehrle was a step TOWARD first base. No balk. Second call: Buehrle's first move was again to first base, No balk. Now as to Buehrle's ejection, I'm pretty sure that throwing your mitt results, by rule, in ejection, but I could be wrong. The main point though is that there's no way Mark Buehrle would have thrown his glove if it weren't for two bullshit calls by the worst umpire in MLB. Stone hit the nail on the head. West was inserting himself into the game. The way you can tell if the umpires at a game are doing a good job is if you DON'T notice them.
1. Watch back leg on first balk call. He moved it, then began his throw to 1st. BALK. 2. He was moving toward home and then tossed to 1st base. BALK. Buehrle tosses glove up in disgust. EJECTION!! Good calls.
What if this game was game 7 of the World Series....?? Joe West has some issues. The umpires of MLB have issues. They don't and will not call this in a playoff game.......WHY????
Hawk Harrelson deserves a suspension for being such an annoying, biased announcer. He needs a rest....he needs a rest. He is a flat out absolute disgrace to the announcing profession.
Agreed! I do understand the home team bias, but both him and Steve Stone take it way overboard. I am amazed that MLB, who has to approve of the announcers for them to be able to announce a MLB game, hasn't stepped in and told them to "knock it off, knocking an umpire". Even if it was justified. Professionals are not supposed to be that biased, umpire OR play by play announcers.
i wouldn't have agreed, say...10 years ago, but now i would for sure. maybe hawk is slowly losing his mind..his opinions have become more and more direct and critical as the years have went on.
I would agree with you! Hawk Harrelson needs to quit being biased! I agree with that he is an employed by the White Sox, but seriously if he needs to quit slamming the umpires! He did it when he played back in the 60s and he still does it today! That is why he has no or will ever have respect from other announcers in sports!
Harrelson needs to look up some audio of Jack Brickhouse to hear what it sounds like to be a fair announcer who still can favor the team that employs him.
@@wantahappymeal I did state why they were balks, when you break the plane of your knee with your foot(this means you bring the foot back past the knee) you MUST come home, and when you go to first you MUST step TOWARD first base, the first balk he brought his foot past his knee then threw to first, that's a balk, on the second when he went to first he stepped halfway between first and home, this is also a balk, I suggest you go back and watch the video again
David Rooks the first one wasn’t a balk. Even the announcers and literally everyone else knew it wasn’t. His motion was towards first base. Complete legit pitch
@@ogbobbyjohnson175 sigh, the move towards first wasn't why it was called a balk, try to keep up, when the pitcher starts his windup, if he brings his foot past his knee he MUST go home, that was why it was a balk
You know it's bad when you have Joe West, and Angel Hernandez umpiring a game
I love you videos keep up the great work!
Yes. Angel Hernandez is horrible.
no kidding. awful crew
Such a disgrace....
it did look like a balk
Hawk Harrelson was hilarious here about Joe West.
"He needs a rest...he needs a rest." Lmao
It appears that Hawk wasn't a fan of Joe West.
@@jonathanashbeck3740 They actually made peace since then, believe it or not.
@@jonathanashbeck3740 And West wasn't a fan of Hawk.
Joe West has just done one hell of a job!!
Hawk harrelson… the absolute biggest homer and the best play by play guy… and I’m not even a white Sox fan
Joe West AND Angel Hernandez ?????
Oh dear God.
'Nooo god....no god please no...NO...NO...NOOOOOOOOO'
Together on the same crew they are a baseball virus.
I went to a series between the Orioles and blue jays and both where there god damn they sucked
Patrick Gray maybe MLB was trying to limit the damage done to just one game
Joe and Angel have now both stepped down. There’s hope for our game after all
Hawk was so right. Even before that game Joe West had been the biggest, fattest joke in baseball for years.
I remember this game. The one thing I can remember strongly from this was West standing there with his arms crossed. What a punk.
Well he knows he untouchable…no matter what calls he makes, no matter what he does, he can never get into trouble
@@codycooper2261 So he can get away with all those children epstein set him up with? Wow america is fucked
@@codycooper2261 Joe West actually was fined by the MLB for what he did in this game! Should've been suspended, but at least there was some accountability here
Just imagine the reaction if this game had been in Chicago.
Disco Demolition would have been eclipsed in carnage. Lol.
@@Fireteam2479 And that’s underselling it
Or Philly
A balk for every chin Joe has.
rrmond but it was only 2 balks and not 500 😝
Angel hernandez and joe west wow terrible crew
Two guys that couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight. I tend to think Angel Hernandez is the worst but Jaba West maybe a close second.
the pitcher can step at a 45 degree angle anything over that 45 degree line he has to go home
I shutter at the thought of those two working together
don't forget balking bob
***** they should only be doing little league games
Wow! Joe West, and Angel Hernandez on the same crew. Where was C.B. Buckner? That would have completed the hall of fame crew.
Or Laz Diaz
You gotta love Hawk
It must be a nightmare when you realize you have Joe West & Angel Hernandez both umping your game.
"He is becoming a joke to the profession" HA Joe West, awesome
Lol this is nice we've got hawk commentating and joe west umpiring 😂😂
I know but I would rather have Hawk do the world series instead of Joe buck and mcarver.
Really didn't see a balk there.
Bc it wasnt
Jason Lange balks can definitely be tricky. I GUESS I can see the second one as being called a balk, but probably not the first one.
Yea, when I think "thug" I immediately think Mark Buehrle... smh
222333aaaaaa Oh yeah. "Thug" or "Hooligan".
+CHilla415 Can't tell the first one (not a good camera angle shown), but the second was definitely a balk. He didn't step towards first base, but more towards the dugout (between home & first).
lol the whitesox announcer tells it how it is! lmao
the fuck was the last commentator, "lucky he wasnt tossed last inning" WHAT! Look up controversial baseball calls and Joe West will have his name in all of them
I miss Ozzie so much
With you brother!
That's not a balk. And yes, Joe West is a joke.
2nd move definitely a balk
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
2nd one was a balk.his foot went too fart toward home plate
M N - What was wrong with the shoulder? It is the FEET that trigger the balk call.
First one wasn't a ball. The second was a a ball. His foot went too far toward the plate.he broke the 45 degree angle
I'm not even a White Sox fan but that was not a balk and Buerhle and Guillen should not have been tossed
The only reason that I think, not fully sure but, Guillen got tossed was because you are not allowed to argue a balk under any circumstances
IamDeathtaker98 or throw your equipment down.
They were both balks. He brought his knee back across the pitching rubber on both moves. And both ejections were mandatory. Arguing a balk and throwing equipment are automatic ejections per the rule book.
@@Rowgue51 those were not balks. He brought his leg toward first base. He also turned his body. You can tell he pivoted because his move to home has him move forward with a full body motion. He clearly didn't move toward home. He used that exact pick off move his entire career.
@@nickk6501
They're balks because when he raised his leg he brought it back over the pitching rubber. Once that happens it's a balk if you don't deliver a pitch.
Does the Umpire even know what a balk is?
People may not like Hawk, but he is certainly entertaining to listen to every now and then.
I don't blame Mark Buehrle fir being upset. That is a horrible call.
Lol the comments on this video are either trashing Joe West or Hawk Harrelson lmfao...sometimes both of them
You know it's bad when angel Hernandez is the calm mediator between players and ump
I miss Hawk rants
Ohh god is that angel too?
Joe West is like Pizza the Hut with less baseball acumen.
It'll be a fine day for baseball if MLB was to get rid of Joe West, Angel Hernandez, Bob Davidson, and Mike DiMuro!
shall we add ol' Jim Joyce to the list?
Jim Joyce is one of the best umpires in MLB. Even as a RedSox fan and RedSox Nation member since 99, I can admit that the obstruction call during the World Series was a good call. Sadly, even though he's been voted by players as the best umpire 4 or 5 years in a row, all fans are going to remember is the Gallaraga call.
what about the blown call at home against the dodgers? I believe
Are you referring to him tossing Gonzalez or when Young missed the plate with his foot and was tagged on the arm and called out?
Greg B Yeah, Jim joyce is a class act and a great umpire. Yeah, he made one really bad call to prevent a perfect game, but unlike most umpires, he owned up to it and apologized and was very upset afterwards about it.
Too bad umpires can't be ejected
Thinking the same thing
There should be some sort of "citizens arrest" thing. Where if the umpires are being like this, the players/managers can eject him. At the *very* least the other umpires can step in and do something lol I mean, come on... "(wave, wave) No no, go away. I dont want to talk about what I might have done wrong. Youre not going back to the dugout? (ejects the manager)"
They think they have all the power in the world because they can eject they hide behind power, they don't care about umpiring the game right no pride
Biggles McBumflap
seriously? you people have no clue on the rules and think you do better job here my question if you can why aren't you out there doing it!
Joseph Pretorius
that a bs crap you know nothing about umpires
Joe West deservesssssss a suspension, he needs a rest. He needs a rest!
I couldn't agree more. Joe west is the worst ump. He gets the call right only 30% of the time. There's a whole video showing his worst calls.
A treadmill is what he needs.
Announcers are correct. Joe West is a joke! He is like the old man that lives on the street and tells everyone that you can't park in front of his house. The league should kick him to the curb ASAP!
thanks!!! I LOVE HAWK HARRELSON AND STEVE STONE!!!!
@@durielroberts360 Hawk Harrelson sounds like a drunk they pulled out of the stands, and he seems to have about the same level of baseball knowledge as well.
Just because it's not balked consistently doesn't mean it's not a balk. After West balked him once, Buehrle should have been more careful.
Cubs fan here, so no real interest in defending the White Sox. But Hawk's always an entertaining commentator. He's not supposed to be some neutral arbiter of truth - he's the hometown commentator, of course he's going to be a homer!
Calling for an umpire to be suspended is way too far and completely unprofessional. But then again, being unprofessional is a calling card of Hawk. Hope he croaks soon
@@kylewilson2819 - if someone consistently shows that they can't do their job, then it is perfectly reasonable to ask that they be removed from it. Would you want a doctor operating on you if they proved over and over that they were inept at their job? I don't even follow baseball that much and I have seen tons of videos with this fool blowing calls. He's getting paid and deciding outcomes of games based on his errors. Sounds like someone who needs a new job to me.
Joe West and Angel Hernandez, enough said...but the Sox announcers took it to a whole new level.
Nothing wrong with defending your team, but Hawk did go overboard.
The MLB took it to the next level when they put Hernandez and West on the same field.
He certainly did when Mark Wagner ejected Jose Quintina which caused Hawk to furiously lash out which led to him being reprimanded by then commissioner Bud Selig
What balk?! There ain't no balk here
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. .
@@brady13001 Although I do not agree, that was the next explanation of this incident that I have ever read. Kudos to you.
Also, I'm just a fan, and you've umped as high up as the minors, so I admit that you obviously have more knowledge than I do in this case.
Yes, mean Joe, and he's still throwing players out in 2019.
Don't mess with Joe west
Joe West has entered the I don't give a shit portion of his career. If I was Beuhrle, I would have tossed my glove Joe West and said show us hows it done then. Some guys are just out to be a pain in the other persons ass. Joe West, retirement time has come, time to hang it up man.
I've called him the Joey Crawford of the major leagues.
West and Hernandez on the same crew? Talk about two crappy umpires. 😑
Two solid umpires, actually, but why let facts get in the way of TH-cam comment?
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
hbk314 Facts like Angel Hernandez and Joe West being shit umpires?
The date is September 28th, 2021. Joe West has announced he is retiring after the 2021 season. He is finally getting his suspension. Life is good.
Notice Angel Hernandez AND Joe West on the same umpiring crew. You walk out on that field and see those two and you know someone's getting tossed....like gravity.
Joe West and Angel Hernandez are a flat out, absolute disgrace to the MLB umpire profession
Who were the two jokers at the end - the Indians announcers ?
They couldn't even admit neither was a balk.
because both WERE balks, if you bring your foot past the knee you MUST come home(1st balk) when you go to 1st you MUST step towards 1st, halfway between IS a balk
@@davidrooks3274 you're correct that both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
@@brady13001 i agree that both were balks, as I stated, the angle was wrong on the first one, but as to the 2nd one, it was a balk due to where his right foot landed, there is a line at 45 degrees, the foot lands less than 45 degrees it is a valid move, it lands more than 45 degrees it is a balk
David Rooks I know about the 45 degree line I’m an umpire. One of those balks was due to his shoulder. That came straight from Jim Evans a few years ago an umpiring camp that those trying to get into college ball go too.
Yep, those were the Cleveland announcers. You could see the "WTAM" right there in the upper-right corner of the video.
The first one was tough to see from the camera angle but the second was not even close - BALK! And Guillen got tossed because you can't argue a balk and he was sheltering his pitcher.
Joe West and Angel Hernandez on the same crew? God help us.
The cleveland fans are like dee dee dee thats awesome he was ejected. There was no balk there. Joe west is a joke
Angel Hernandez and Joe West? That had to be the longest series for both teams.... Wow
Here's the thing though, those were balks. He can't swing the right foot behind the rubber and then go to first.
Having a rule book and knowing the rules is one thing, actually making the right call is another.
Those definitely weren't balks.
Who's here from Jomboy's breakdown?
I am. I also remember watching this as it happened.
I’m just here to listen to the late Mike Hegen (One of the Indians broadcasters)
The biggest joke here is the commentators and their behaviour. Not sure if Buehrle's action is a balk or not, the fact he's been using it for years doesn't make it legal. I've seen many cases of players using a movement that's close to the edge for years and then get upset when it just slides over the line.
When I slowed it down, I do think the 2nd one was a balk. Looks like he did cross his back leg with his front and start forward towards home. It's close but I do think it was a balk.
The biggest joke here is the commentators and their behaviour. Not sure if Buehrle's action is a balk or not, the fact he's been using it for years doesn't make it legal. I've seen many cases of players using a movement that's close to the edge for years and then get upset when it just slides over the line.
Who could have it out for the nicest person in baseball
The first balk is very tough to tell because of the camera angle. The second balk shows Buehrle from behind (3B angle). His R leg does NOT go directly (or anywhere close to directly) towards 1B.
everybody who says "obvious balks, good umpiring Joe" is either trolling or doesn't know baseball
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. Again I dont mean this to be a smartass just in response. It's not an obvious balk to a lot of fans (even those who are lifelong fans) but to Umpires because of the way they're trained they were both obvious balks. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
It's the right call. The second one more so, he's already falling towards the plate before the pitch
People are saying this is a balk. Its not. 1. He did not cross his foot over the rubber. 2. He steped to first he never went home. Thats just an awful call on both of them.
You're partially right. Motion toward the plate or any motion associated with throwing toward home that is used to deceive the runner is a balk. There is no "45 degree rule" in any rule code other than NCAA... and it is only a comment in the NCAA book.
Actually announcer, you don’t call the game!
...Ozzie became a joke...
yes BOTH pitches were balks ... he was set in his stance and his forward leg did NOT go towards the first base it went halfway between the plate and base ... which is a balk ... you only get a 15eg leeway ... he was more than 30 deg away from first ...
Hawk my man. Real shit! No bull. Love it
Joe West is a complete joke, neither balk was anywhere close to being a balk. I'll actually defend Hawk here because he was absolutely right.
Even as Hawk is a joke in his own right.
The last commentators made it seem like Mark went like Hulk on his glove smashing.
I heard that I said either they are biased or out of their minds bc I did not get the "joke".
hE THroas DA GlovE DoWn!!!
Who thought of Joe West and Angel Hernandez umpiring the same game
hawk harrelson is the worst commentator in baseball
Have you heard the shitty commentators for the Cubs?
He's still in the league fucking up calls. I was at the Yankee game Thursday night and he blew a check swing call and cost the Yanks the game.
Doesn't the MLB commisioner know that Joe West and Angel Hernandez should NOT be working anymore?
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. Best.
Cleveland's version of the call was fine until the 2nd voice interjected with a bunch of bullshit. Buehrle did nothing in the previous inning to warrant getting thrown out. Nothing.
I like how the first baseman looks like he’s sneaking up on him lmaooo.
man i don't know much about the white sox broadcasters, but that color guy is really out of line here. really not appropriate to voice your opinions about the umpires like that. especially to go as far as to say that he should retire. that is really terrible and unprofessional. whether it was the right call or not, that's not the place of a broadcaster.
You can clearly tell by the second call that it is indeed a balk. He moves toward home plate and towards first.
Maybe but the first one was not a balk. Andy Pettitte used to get away with worse than this in his years with the Yankees.
No. You two need to be fired! Worst commentators in MLB! “BE GONE” you two! “And you can put that on the board” while you’re at it...yyyyyyyes!
No doubt West takes envelopes full of cash after games.
He can sort of go towards home. He can plant his foot so its 45° and not get called for a balk. Clearly this was nowhere close to going home.
"It's gettin' to be about that time Joe West..."
haha
2010: "It's looking to be that time for Joe West"
2019 Joe west: It's been nine years and I'm just as bad but still doing this job for fun, what are you going to do about it bitch?
Joe "Star of the Show" West, everyone.
Joe West is baseball's joke.
These 2 homer announcers are embarrassing
Joe West and Angel Hernandez: Top 10 Worst Anime Crossovers
It's 2019 now and that low life Joe West is still umpiring. How is that so.
Frank Varela he’s been umpiring since long before I was born (30 years old). He has umpired more then 5,000 regular season games.
Bad marksmanship?
Joe West got fined for this
2 of the worst umpires in the league right there. joe west and angel hernandez are a joke
Angel Hernandez is jesus compared to Joe. He is a disgrace to baseball.
He did not start going home joe west is a joke
Both were balks but for different reasons. The second one was a balk because his leg came back. the first one was a balk because of his front shoulder. Nothing to do with his leg. The 1B & HP umpire are both looking at the leg and the front shoulder. The moment the front shoulder starts coming towards the plate he also has to pitch. A lot of fans think that for lefties the front leg is the only thing umpires look at. It is a huge point of emphasis but it's not the only one. The front shoulder which (I'm not being a smartass here) most fans can't see and dont pay attention too is just as relevant. PS - I've been an umpire for 15 years. 2 years in the minor leagues, and since than I've done high school, adult and independent league ball. Hope that helps. .
Quiz
Is Joe West stupid
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. No and yes I am Joe West himself
I know he's a bad umpire but these announcers are so biased
+Run Stuffa They're the White Sox's announcers.
Hawk Harrelson is the Joe West of broadcasters.
One of them was a Cleveland call. that was the one right after mark got tossed
So what’s wrong with being biased I’ve been a White Sox fan my whole life and my being bias for being a White Sox fan? You goddamn right I am and your home team announcers are supposed to be biased if you don’t like listening to listen to your biased radio broadcasts you don’t think Ed farmers biased? Non-biased play calling is boring as fuck. And if you’re not a White Sox fan fine you listen to your biased play colors every teams got them.
talk about showin emotion...did you not see joe west flappin is fat mouth on the first "balk?"
These are the most biased announcers I've ever heard but I agree with them
Whatever you do, don't listen to the Orioles' games lol
I love right away they say balk than backtrack 😂😂😂😂😂
First call: First move by Buehrle was a step TOWARD first base. No balk. Second call: Buehrle's first move was again to first base, No balk. Now as to Buehrle's ejection, I'm pretty sure that throwing your mitt results, by rule, in ejection, but I could be wrong. The main point though is that there's no way Mark Buehrle would have thrown his glove if it weren't for two bullshit calls by the worst umpire in MLB. Stone hit the nail on the head. West was inserting himself into the game. The way you can tell if the umpires at a game are doing a good job is if you DON'T notice them.
Is Joe west still umping?
Yep just looked that up actually haha, after that call I thought maybe not
I think so.
wait until 2019---the fat f*k is still waddling around
the only fucking reason the second balk was called was because joe west was pissed at ozzie
1. Watch back leg on first balk call. He moved it, then began his throw to 1st. BALK. 2. He was moving toward home and then tossed to 1st base. BALK. Buehrle tosses glove up in disgust. EJECTION!! Good calls.
You're wrong on both "balk" accounts.
THANK YOU
Tbh if joe west was as bad as everyone says he is he wouldn’t be in the league. I don’t think any of you joe West haters know wat you’re talking about
What if this game was game 7 of the World Series....??
Joe West has some issues. The umpires of MLB have issues.
They don't and will not call this in a playoff game.......WHY????
I'm not even a White Sox fan and this still pisses me off 10 years later!
Hawk Harrelson deserves a suspension for being such an annoying, biased announcer. He needs a rest....he needs a rest. He is a flat out absolute disgrace to the announcing profession.
Agreed! I do understand the home team bias, but both him and Steve Stone take it way overboard. I am amazed that MLB, who has to approve of the announcers for them to be able to announce a MLB game, hasn't stepped in and told them to "knock it off, knocking an umpire". Even if it was justified. Professionals are not supposed to be that biased, umpire OR play by play announcers.
i wouldn't have agreed, say...10 years ago, but now i would for sure. maybe hawk is slowly losing his mind..his opinions have become more and more direct and critical as the years have went on.
I would agree with you! Hawk Harrelson needs to quit being biased! I agree with that he is an employed by the White Sox, but seriously if he needs to quit slamming the umpires! He did it when he played back in the 60s and he still does it today! That is why he has no or will ever have respect from other announcers in sports!
Harrelson needs to look up some audio of Jack Brickhouse to hear what it sounds like to be a fair announcer who still can favor the team that employs him.
He needs a rest in a coffin
Umpires job is to call the game, not to get vindictive and make an ass of themselves to the determent of one of the teams. Neither pitch was a balk.
I can't tell how those two were balks unless I'm blind
then you are blind, OR you don't understand the rules
David Rooks instead of insulting why not state why they were balks?
@@wantahappymeal I did state why they were balks, when you break the plane of your knee with your foot(this means you bring the foot back past the knee) you MUST come home, and when you go to first you MUST step TOWARD first base, the first balk he brought his foot past his knee then threw to first, that's a balk, on the second when he went to first he stepped halfway between first and home, this is also a balk, I suggest you go back and watch the video again
David Rooks the first one wasn’t a balk. Even the announcers and literally everyone else knew it wasn’t. His motion was towards first base. Complete legit pitch
@@ogbobbyjohnson175 sigh, the move towards first wasn't why it was called a balk, try to keep up, when the pitcher starts his windup, if he brings his foot past his knee he MUST go home, that was why it was a balk