Hydrogen Engines Don't Make Any Sense
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- Hydrogen engines can give you the best of both worlds, clean emissions and a nice loud exhaust (it's what enthusiasts crave!). So if everything is going electric, does that mean no more exhaust sounds? Not if hydrogen engines become a reality. There's just one big problem: fuel cells exist. They're basically twice as efficient, and storing hydrogen is already a challenge. It takes up a lot of space! With a fuel cell, you need much less hydrogen onboard, because you can use it more efficiently.
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As an engineer, I consider it my duty to make sure no one is happy.
I'm an engineer and I approve this message.
As a non engineer I dislike both of you.
That's exactly what the engineers that designed the engine bay of the 300ZX said. As a guy who works on my car from home with only basic hand tools...
CURSE YOU NISSAN!
that explains a lot
Especially mechanics lol
Deep in the engine bay is the best place to put anything essential and routine
"Car people love loud noises"
Guy plugs his ears.
🤣
He's not a car guy..
@@richsweeney1115 any car guy would cover his ears, it's called instinct
@@MetaDudeI'm just sayin anyone who's used to being around cars...would expect it, or atleast not have to cover his ears, ive never been in ,or driven something that was too loud..including a 70 challenger,,with headers and straight piped
there's a difference between love and pain .. car guys love the sound but when its too loud it will hurt .. instint to close your ears right ?
10% of ppl drive cars because of Loud Noises. The rest of us just want to go from Point A to Point B. Thats it.
Of course, as cheap and as fast as possible.
I would say a lot less than 10%!
Waaay less then 10%.
cars where never made for car people( a few models are. but compaired to all cars, its nothing)
All cars are made for going to a to b for normal people
But if u guys just want to get from point A to B why buy gas guzzling truck just get a small 4 door shitbox
A lot less than 10% but the small percentage of people who do like cars either buy the stupidly expensive ones or make their own car projects
The percentage is subjective based on your network, its 80% for me
"an engine with only water coming out of the exhaust"
range rover: allow me to introduce myself
Every modern cars do that
@@Quest168 cylinder walls too thin
bro, ac????
We did it. We found the world's dumbest take for why hydrogen engines are a bad move.
Electric cars already exist. At that speed, the tires make quite a bit of noise. However at medium to low speeds, they need speakers to alert people of the oncoming car
I edited my comment so that people stop tagging me in the replies. This comment has over 200 replies now WTF
@@BryanSheasby But if people can hear the cars coming, how are we supposed to be able to run over them?
@@areadenial2343 we’ve already solved this issue. Only real issue is just not having any infrastructure yet. The problem doesn’t come down to energy to make this stuff. It’s in the air already. The fact is it’s just not mass produced yet. But it’s 10x better than electric. Even just not having to wait to fill up is worth it.
@@georgeburns6512 This is the correct line of thinking. Hydrogen is the most plentiful resource in the observable universe. It literally, like many other amazing breakthroughs, is gatekept by money.
All it takes is one eccentric individual with absurd amounts of income (like Musk) to go, "Hm, it would be cool if this thing existed."
Edit: Fixed a typo
If they like loud noises I doubt they care about fuel efficiency 😂
As a loud diesel truck owner. You got a point
Not true for car enthusiasts in Europe.
Yes
We don't.
I care about both and I’m a lot smarter than you.
The Shelby GT is basically considered the god of American cars
It is also the most unforgivingly obnoxiously loud stock car I've ever heard and I wish my neighbor's engine would explode every time he starts it...the dude drives it out on short trips like 7 times a day from morning past midnight, I can hear him for a couple minutes after he leaves it's so damn loud. Jars me out of my sleep, drowns out everything I'm doing when I'm awake
I love the sound of a good engine myself, but there is definitely a line between sounding beastly and just straight up annoyingly loud for no reason than to be very loud
Tell him to swap the v8 for an electric motor
Tell him to get some sample noise and play through the speakers so he gets the full effect but in a more reasonable car then he can take the shelby to a track where he can open it up away from residential streets. Like if i can hear your vehicle a mile away when you open it up on the highway then your car is too loud. Doesn’t help im a couple hundred feet from a nice river and dude like to zip back and forth full throttle in their v8 speed boats. Sounds like im at a race track just sitting in my house. Not sure if they dump exhaust straight out the engines or if they have to have some kind other dampening exhaust. Sounds like straight dump.
Hes just one obnoxious guy. Petrolheads should be allowed to enjoy these things without the few obnoxious ones ruining their image and taking it from them.
Now i feel bad😂😂
I have a Chevy Impala that I've done an engine swap with, but i recently got it cammed. I go to work very early so im sure my neighbors are gonna hate me soon😂😂
A mustang is not the god of American cars 😂
Electric car catches fire, your house is burnt down. Hydrogen car catches fire, your whole block is gone.
I rather go for the electric car than a c4 explosive on wheels.
I mean, the same is true of any ICE car.
For a given energy amount storing hydrogen isn't much less safe than gas (you're not just storing it like how a rocket would afterall). But if you're using a fuel cell you don't need to store as much energy as you would with gas.
So overall in terms of uncontrolled energy release, gas is actually quite a bit worse, actually it's worse than EVs too, it's just we're used to and accept that we sit on gallons of gas every day.
With EV batteries, it's funny, dramatic, and still novel when an EV battery goes up. Look up the stats of EV fires vs gas ICE fires though (obviously corrected for % of population of fires) and you'll wonder how an earth we still use gas for anything.
@@Logarithm906gas burns and the fumes explode. Hydrogen is all fumes when ruptured...
ICE >>>
@@Logarithm906gas doesn’t explode violently on contact with sparks, hydrogen is used in rockets BECAUSE it explodes violently on contact with sparks
Suspiciously lacking in whiteboard...
Because it’s a short what are you expecting
@@yungboicontigo9278 at least a hand-held white tablet?
We can clearly see the video is fake, by the lack of whiteboard
He’s recycling old content in the TH-cam “shorts” format, b/c TH-cam is really pushing their content creators to publish shorts videos. Even though the shorts format sucks in my opinion. But, he must’ve made a mistake, b/c TH-cam doesn’t recognize this as a short, LOL.
@@feedbackzaloop that would take more then a minute for explaining
"So ultimately no one is happy" - beautiful ending.
The people who live on higher traffic roads would be happier. the people who live in neighbourhoods that tend to have a lot of idio- I mean, drivers who like to 'tap the pedal' a bit more, would be happy.
The only place, really, where the noise should be kept is in racing, because the 'atmosphere' of it. also why fuel cells make more sense than ICE engines everywhere else, both 'atmosphere' and the goddamn atmosphere.
@@AlMcpherson79 have you ever heard about driving along countryside roads? There's lot of places to drive beyond cities and highways...
@@AlMcpherson79 Water is also a far more potent greenhouse gas and weather disruptor than most any greenhouse gas...
It is mediated by the water cycle so it won't increase the temperature... Globally.
You can capture the water in theory and cool it down. Not sure if anybody is doing that yet.
Thats life for ya
So it is therefore the perfect compromise
"only water out of the exhaust"
Humidity: i guess you wondered where I've been
Toyota, Mazda etc is doing this for car enthusiasts. And we appreciate them for it.
This 100% feels like it was written by AI
Don't know about that chief. For me it sounds like AI
Welcome to the future, we will never know anymore haha
It has, I've seen like 8 channels all posting and using the exact same voice
@@narrowstone5363 Lol. This is a real person talking. It's the owner of the Engineering Explained channel.
Fr
“So ultimately everything sucks. Moving on.”
Not really, making things noisy is easy to do. Some combustion cars, especially sporty luxury ones have even done this.
I loved my steam car. It made noises and VIBRATED too. It was way batter than those fancy new petro cars! 😂
Don’t bother with fuel cells if an EV will do the job. 🎉
What he fails to miserably mention is that the world is being trashed but the real issue is “car is no loud :(“. This comes from someone who loves loud combustion engines btw but I’m not insane
There is no such thing as gravity:the Earth sucks.
Bicyle😊
The biggest selling point to a hydrogen fuel engine as opposed to a hydrogen fuel cell, is that a regular combustion engine can be directly converted to hydrogen with minimal modification. Where a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is basically a BEV with extra steps.
That is so wrong, I don't even know where to start lol
As a casual car enjoyer, I just appreciate how much art and creativity for each vehicle that I see here.
"ultimately, no one is happy"
this does put a smile to my face
Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn.
Yes brother
Spot-on.
You broke it; you’re someone & now you’re happy :(
Car people: "I is sad cuz my car no brum brum"
“Car ppl love loud noises” dude is plugging his ears💀
Liking loud engines and still caring about your hearing are two different things.
If they love cars because of loud noises, they are ARSEHOLES
there is one guy like that near my home. he always rev his engine no matter what time it is. before going to wherever he goes. he even remove the silencer for more noise.
I don't think car people likes tinnitus.
@@thedespoiler dang that’s unfortunate, I LOVE engines but there’s a time and place and EXCESSIVE is definitely a thing. I apologize for your neighbor lol.
Let's say hypothetically....i once owned a mazda millenia and was hypothetically racing an audi a4 (with a fartcan muffler) and for most of the drive from redding to Santa Nella, i was staying ahead of him with less than a quarter of the noise his car was making.
Hypothetically...id say, louder doesn't mean faster. Or just that his bark was louder than his bite.
louder doesn't always mean faster, but generally building a car to be faster means a bit louder. there's a difference between running high boost and needs a free flowing exhaust, chopping at idle bc of an aggressive cam, etc. and ripping the cat and muffler off your otherwise stock family sedan
If those engines aren’t harmful to the environment, then hydrogen and electric are the future. We might have to renovate old cars and make them a hydrogen.
Nah screw the environment I want a noise when I drive
Electric cars are still harmful, not when they are driving, but when people mine lithium, which is harmful to the environment. Plus, you can't recycle batteries, unlike engine blocks, which you can just melt and form inti different things, like tables, stand, doors, etc
@@stanleypines3626 Then screw you. Not everyone likes noise.
We can't exactly renovate old car and fit them with hydrogen , engines for examples needs to be reinforced and have very low tolarance, and even then due to the low volumetric energy density of hydrogen , and tanks requirements you need 7 times the space of what would be needed with a gasoline tank for the same range.
People do understand we had hydrogen motors sixty years ago but the oil executives and industry said no thanks and killed the guy
There’s still the issue of storage and production that would almost certainly have not caught up anyway. It’s extremely expensive to make and then you lose a ton when you store it for any period of time. The hydrogen atoms themselves are so small, they can literally squeeze between the atoms of the container and make their way out. There would be so many inefficiencies in the supply chain and then in your own personal storage (better use up that gas before it literally leaves your tank) that it’s just not worth it. At least until magical technology fixes all energy demands and provides unheard of materials.
@@jlight7346 JCB are doing alot for hydrogen.
@@jlight7346 what production? hydrogen is three times the combustion force of gasoline 1/3 the heat the ONLY byproduct of hydrogen is STEAM...which means you DON'T need an Exhaust or Intake...it also takes nothing more than a 9 volt battery to Make Hydrogen and Oxygen.. storage is simple Essentially Acetylene fuel is a close cousin to it.. which is Coke ash and water ...
So a fuel with more Explosive force than gasoline, 1/3 the Heat and 2/3 of the planet that is 100 % renewable and clean?
We learned to make hydrogen in 5th grade chemistry class, so don't bother trying to deny it .
The ONLY reason the" Science " dogma says it's inefficient is that BTU is the only measurement of fuel efficiency...which is Idiocy...
SOUNDWAVE energy composes 70% of ALL mechanical motion rifle round, piston rocket 🚀 etc
@@mjolnirswrath23you fail to consider hydrogen has a very small fraction of the energy density gasoline has, and needs very special containment vessels.
Please. This is another urban legend. No one was pushed out of a window. Nobody was shot in their sleep. Just stop.
Funny enough the number one complaint from customers is noises coming from a car.
Those kinds of complaints don’t usually come from “car people,” though.
@alanwright7819 that's cus the "car people" work on it themselves, then it gets sold, and someone else brings it in with a lot of problems sometimes.
Unless you are blind and your number one complaint is electric cars are too quite
@@Sports_bottle - I think we’re talking about two different things.
If it's an nice exhaust noise then no complaints here
"Car people love loud noises"
*shows footage of a guy blocking his ears behind a challenger*
("Cities aren't loud cars are loud")
NJB!
Tire noise. Literally all you hear is the tires rolling.
@@AJ-zv9tn That's only true at 30+mph, not many city streets are that fast, now stroads on the other hand, you're 100% on point
Yes, the only bad thing that can happen with hydrogen is lack of noise. Case closed.
Lmfao 😂
I forsee car accidents creating a lot of explosions.
Or a firey explosion and fire that burns at 2660 centigrade
@@nandansho for days
@@nandansho "Oh the humanity of it . . . " Bob Lazar's system put the hydrogen into hydrides for storage. You could shoot the fuel tank and it just smouldered. He used Lithium-6 for storage and that stuff is heavily controlled and stupidly expensive. Google "Castle Bravo" to see why, but in short it's the fuel for the secondary stage of a thermonuclear bomb. He is still alive after talking about area 51 and making a hydrogen fuel setup for a car.
Fun fact. Not everyone loves loud noises.
Yeah, that’s why he said car people
Yeah because people like you prefer ipads on your dash and a car that drives in autopilot
m8 how am I suppose to flex ???
Just car people, who spend the most on cars, so I understand his point
i am a car guy, even working at a car company and tbh.. i like silent cars. driving my model 3 performance and hearing all the loud engines reving up while producing less power feels like a screaming kid to me. you dont take it serious
As I grow older I've come to the realization that the louder and bigger your car needs to be the more you are compensating for something else
People who don't have a nice car love to say this. If you could trade your beater in for a type R or Charger or something you would, you just can't afford it or don't like cars.
.t Somone who isnt interested in cars.
@@ethanieldude1 I already owned a sports car, sure it was fun but to drive but it doesn't need to be loud. Better to drive a sleeper than something that wakes up the entire neighborhood
@@Zuwze wrong
I have a 750 WHP coyote. There is nothing I can do to make it not completely obnoxious sounding. It’s just the way it is.
Hydrogen Fuel Cells also cost a fortune compared to a Hydrogen Combustion Engine.
„People love loud noises“
*cut to a street in a metropolis*
Big noise=good noise, ooga booga
@@MrSquabbledonk💀
Yea true
We love the noise we willingly subject ourselves to.
Not everyone
Think about babies and old aged people, they also exist
Yep, it's exactly just like when you were just a itty bitty little kid and you put baseball cards in your tricycle spokes.
MAN,,,,,,, THAT WAS SOOOOOOO COOOOOOOL..........
I'm telling you, man. It's a car. And it runs on water!
Nope. It runs on hydrogen.
One of the challenges engineers have been grappling with for years is fuel cells in freezing cold environments: water vapor emissions tend to condense, freeze, expand, and break the fuel cells.
They flew on Apollo and the space shuttle. Although I guess strictly speaking space isn't cold.
@@AlRoderick they would have been in a temperature controlled operating environment with no opportunity to get below freezing, and they were probably operating more or less continuously. Cars do not have that continuous duty cycle. You'd have to leave it running and expending fuel 24/7 and forcing the exhaust to continuously flow without condensing in the cells.
Super cooling is a thing though and it's not difficult to engineer into something
I heard that the the Mirai had no problems in super cold conditions where they tested it in Yellowknife for quite a while.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were cold-temp. issues with fuel cells, and I had even heard myself that there were, but perhaps Toyota dealt with it somehow. Or maybe it just wasn't there for long enough.
@@MsHojat that's all entirely possible!
"So ultimately no one is happy" - couldn't be a better line than this
hydrogen engines don't make any sense. why? because where are you going to get the energy to produce hydrogen? also hydrogen is notoriously difficult to store
@@lordjaashin we get it from water just look it up
@@KDH-br6hy and where do you get energy to extract hydrogen from water? look it up
if we kill all conspiracy theorists and climate change bullshitters then the world would be a better place
@@Millionaires.Empire people like you who believe in fantasy utopian concepts are better off under 6 feet.
Car people like loud noises, but nobody else does when they’re trying to sleep
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1 time soviet union had a car thats work by using water as a fuel
Nope. Water isn't a fuel.
@@logitech4873 it can be fuel + there is a film about it
@@burh2 No it can't. You can split it into hydrogen and oxygen, but that costs more energy than what you get back from using it.
Name a single water engine with independent tests proving that it works.
@@logitech4873 1 moskvitch in 1977 had a hydrogen engine, however it used water as a fuel to make hydrogen
@@burh2 Can't find anything about it.
Again, hydrolysis takes more energy than what you get back from using the resulting hydrogen. So how did it make the hydrogen?
What people don’t seem to realize is a car enthusiast who loves the sound of engines typically doesn’t care if it’s only half as efficient as the other option
Hahaha that's very true, there's a reason why most car enthusiasts have a separate commute car
Anything you take,anything,there are more common people than enthusiast..any thing..so to use less efficient engine and then maintaining it with oil and regular maintenance is not everyone's cup of tea..
I think car enthusiasts prefer efficiency to looking and sounding good. Would you rather win that f1 race or look good sound good but place last?
@@JamesBricks06efficacy doesn’t equal performance for car guys it’s Performance > Looks and sound > efficiency, essentially we don’t care about MPG
@h4per_txt565 I realise now it was about efficiency not performance
"Yo bro am thirsty you got some water?"
"Gotcha bro, just keep your mouth near the exhaust"
"Alr but wh-"
*Car exhaust noises*
Lol
Hahahaha omg so funnyyyy hahah omggg
... "hey yo, what exhaust you got your mouth by, my car don't make noises...."
@@e.Kab.Then you don't have an exhaust, EV boy.
* car exhaust noises *
You mean
* peeing noises * ?
2 people got killed by the government after inventing water fueled cars 😑
Nope. There's no such thing as a water fueled car, and they didn't get "killed by the government".
One died of an aneurysm due to high blood pressure, the other was killed on duty as a cop in a mass shooting.
Water as a fuel is a scam. It literally cannot work. I can go very in depth on this if you want the technical detail for why.
I wouldn't recommend saying w4ter and 3ngine in the same sentence
Well, the goal behind hydrogen combustion is to retrofit internal combustion engines with fuel sources that replenish
Isn't hydrogen kinda rare on earth? Like it floats to the stratosphere and the protons disappear slowly?
@@rareram that might be the case, but water and oxigen (the source elements to create hydrogen) stay in the atmosphere
@@colla555 yeah, but then you have to split off hydrogen again to remake the fuel. So that's usually an electrical process... So you gotta generate electric.
This is my issue with hydrogen fuel, it gets less attractive when you try to make it... Makes it feel like an apocalypse alternative when you can't mine/drill for traditional fuel.
@@rareram what you describe is making eFuel from hydrogen. What I was referring to was the burning so to say of the hydrogen itself. (Toyota has recently shown this in a one off Yaris race car)
@@colla555 I was referring to electrolysis to create HHO gas where you can then combust the gas again as you described. Not the fuel cell system.
Regardless, they are both very power hungry to produce. If we were in space amd scooped it up, that's totally different since the production aspect is almost free.
"my car runs on water"
the CIA: 👁️ Oh really
They made a Lone Gunmen episode about that...their logic in the end for keeping it secret made no sense at all.
I love how it's just America, no one else can cover it up
No the car runs on hydrogen and produces water as a byproduct. Do you even listen
@@elliotstorer5687 the CIA will definitely be watching you from a distance you seem educated
@@darkninja9499 not sure they will be too interested in me as much as i used to build hydrogen fuel cells. Its pretty common tech now. But since that guy who made his own hydrogen car a few years ago died everyone thinks its the cia despite the fact that Toyota brought a hydrogen fuelled car into the us long before that random guy made one
"Thag no like car. Car no make Vroom. Car bad"
Sounds like a grade schooler class presentation lmao
Manual transmissions are slower and less efficient but people still buy them. If hydrogen engines allow enthusiasts to keep enjoying the sounds, vibrations, and mechanical feel of gas cars while reducing emissions, then that’s a big win.
Historically speaking manual transmissions were typically the faster and more efficient option up until about a decade ago when conventionally available transmission technology began to peak. :)
Manuals are also way cheaper than automatics. That's why I drive one.
Doesn't reduce emissions though if the hydrogen is made from fossil fuels. But that's equally true for electrics if we burn coal for electricity.
I'm enjoying 37 mpg and reliability with my manual. And my repairs are cheap. I had 2 other automatics and this is by far my most reliable and enjoyable car 😊
from my exp, autos are more convenient for driving but i absolutely hate them when it comes to repair. those valve channels get clogged up and causes solenoid problems. in most cases the tranny needs to be rebuilt. a manual tranny is easier to diagnose and repair bc its a more simpler mechanical design.
As an engineer student they taught us to always make products that people must buy but they aren't happy to have
Why? That just makes people hate engineers.
@@scojo6377
I am just joking it's something that naturally happened occasionally because we need to prioritize certain things and compromise others and because we don't always know what people exactly want
@@user-bq4jr5dn5b I get it. No hard feelings.
As an engineer student, I'll make what makes me happy, people being unhappy about my product while still need it is just a cherry on top.
This is why we exist (industrial and transportation designers) so this doesn’t happen. As engineers you don’t decide that, we do
Not everybody is so close to primates, that they like the sound of engines. Some more sophisticated people like silence around them, especially when they are driving.
Primates don't like the sound of engines
When you never grow out of putting playing cars in your bicycle spokes.
"So ultimately no one is happy" - It takes an engineer to tell the one truth 😂😂
Don't know why you feel that way and I'm studying engineering....
Our profs make us go through hell for every little detail in order to satisfy everything a "client" need, mechanical engineering.
@@rohankishibe8259 F
My car gets 16mpg, an efficient car can get 30-40. Would someone take a 50% efficiency hit for fun? Yes
My car is also potentially fun and gets 16mpg, but when I'm commuting 120 miles a day through city traffic, nothing is fun. I may as well be in a Prius.
Why do European cars get better mpg my Renault diesel is a 7 seater mpg and I get 67mpg (UK gal). I'm not sure what that is in a US gal maybe 56mpg.
@@nothingsurprisesmeanymore my bone stock citroen c2 was getting mid 50s (best was 76 on a slow 40mph journey with lots of engine off coasting).
The economy is slightly worse now because of things like problems with a high idle on start up while moving, a cylinder that sometimes doesn't fire if I'm a bit sudden on the accelerator, and also one of the brakes makes a squeaky sound even if I'm not pressing it so I'm wondering how much the pad is rubbing and wasting fuel. That and occasionally bombing back from work at 70 to 80 mph.
Note: UK gallons are 20% larger although we buy fuel in litres so in this hodge podge of metric and imperial mixing I get 11 to 12 miles per litre.
@@nothingsurprisesmeanymore couple reasons, Europeans buy smaller cars, for example the best selling vehicles in US are full size trucks. US on average has higher speed limits therefore more fuel used. Also, even similar size cars have smaller displacements than in US. Back when I had a Mazda 6, I was surprised to learn that you had a 1.6L option while we only had 2.4 and 3.0.
@@aluisious I commute in a Miata. It's definitely more fun even in traffic than an Appliance Car.
Wait til you can "fill up your tank" with the solar powered dehumidifiers. 😂
That's never gonna happen.
There should be a duel system where you have both cells and the hydrogen combustion engine powering it. Engine for the noise, Cells for the economy.
So this looks a lot like it’s a Short, but it was shown to me in my feed as a normal video immediately adjacent to all the Shorts in my feed.
Seems mr engineer has no idea how to make a short
You can and have been able to view shorts as normal videos.
Good, I hate the shorts format. This is much better.
I dont like shorts as well, I prefer a kilt
@@VincentHermes you are reading these in his voice
Guy engineered a vehicle ran off water from my city and mysteriously got killed
Out in Vegas? There was some old dude years ago who got killed by Big Oil.
There's been a few people who have and all were killed "mysteriously"
@Woodworking and Epoxy...research the security guard that was shot and killed in the Buffalo New York mass shooting......his hobby was building these type of engines...
Thank you so much for mentioning this, and he was a man of color so I think it’s very strange “they’re” talking about making Hydrogen combustion engines now. One thing I’ll say is this government is very very insidious. To say the least.😡🤦🏿 to all the beautiful people out there with great innovuatative mindset’s, no matter your ethnicity, or race keep your inventions and ideas to yourself. Until you know you can truly protect your invention in a way that no one can kill you, Or take your idea or invention, not even the government. Be safe out there loves.❤ We can’t let no machine steal our shine
it doesn't make any sense, and it's false. Else it would already have been made by a big company.
pov 2300: yo i got that ultra charger water
Planes polute so much that it makes cars unrelelated to global warming
I love the part where he explained why hydrogen engines don't make sense
The power they put out is pretty weak also the cells are HUGE
You notice they always only focus on what comes out of the exhaust for both hydrogen vehicles and electric ones.
They don't focus on all the emissions that come from making hydrogen, and electric doesn't focus on all the emissions it takes to make disposable batteries that only last 10 years and disposable solar panels that only last 10 years. Let alone electricity.
Almost none of either of those are recycled.
At the same time they're stopping nuclear power plants from being built because of irrational fears, using subsidies for solar panels instead. Wind is a joke and barely makes any power in most of the world, as most of the world isn't suited for it.
Nuclear plants are the way to go for power.
Electric vehicles will only ever make sense if the charging stations simply swap out the batteries instead of charging the cars, and the cost of retiring batteries is factored in to the charging cost so that cars don't stop working after 10 years or cost 10-20k for a new battery after 10 years making them cheaper to replace the car instead of the battery.
Right now the "environmental issues" are being exploited by politicians to get elected because none of the "solutions" are actual solutions.
They focus on one aspect and disregard all the negative aspects.
Every election is a war between businesses that are on the left and the right, and all of us regular citizens are being exploited for business interests through propaganda.
It's time people do their own research and stop just believing the propaganda they want to hear, and choosing to not believe facts they don't want to hear.
Even this video is pure propaganda.
The reason hydrogen isn't popular has nothing to do with "car noises".
Just like fueling cars with hydrogen doesn't "only produce water".
MINING and MAKING hydrogen costs LOTS of greenhouse gasses, due to the power required to split water, or the DRILLING + POWER it takes to crack hydrocarbons to extract hydrogen from, plus the byproducts that damage the environment as well.
Our best bet is honestly nuclear power and smaller car batteries but electrified roadways.
Right now that doesn't make companies money though because there aren't HUGE subsidies for it like both solar panels and electric cars get, PLUS it takes high investment costs meaning businesses won't get their money back for a long time.
Anyone who believes the current solutions of solar electricity and electric cars is saving the environment is either ignorant or just lying to themselves, though.
They're not factoring in all of the environmental costs every step of the way, and are choosing to believe propaganda and choosing to ignore facts that they don't like.
he did. he mentioned fuel cells are twice efficient as hydrogen combustion
Lets also take a moment to remember how the hydrogen is created in the first place. Lets take a moment to consider how hydrogen exists. It's common in MANY substances, molecules, and chemicals on earth but free hydrogen makes up only a tiny portion of our air. Literally, 0.00005% is present.
The common way these vehicles get their hydrogen is from electrolysis, which uses electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen in water molecules. Lets also look at the efficiency of this process, which stands at about 70% efficient, which causes a 30% loss. Additionally, electric vehicles have an efficiency of 85-90%, and ICE vehicles have an efficiency of 12-30%. Yes, roughly 30% is the efficiency of ICE vehicles to extract the potential energy out of fossil fuels. ICE is not very efficient.
Please also remember that the efficiency of creating hydrogen, whilst being 70% efficient, is only the measure of efficiency of the actual creation of hydrogen. The efficiency of a vehicle to use hydrogen as a fuel source reduces the efficiency even more. Whilst more efficient than ICE, it's less efficient than electric. Additionally, if you have to use electricity to create the hydrogen fuel already, why not just use the electricity?
That's why.
It has always been my dream to make the fastest, most quiet car and name it "Whispering Death".
Unfortunately, tires are loud af. They are normally the loudest part of a car that has a functioning exhaust system.
Poetry right here
I want a car that's not noisy at all. A car that wouldn't wake a single squirrel as I drive through a forest road. I'm sold. Fuel cells have always been the answer.
At a certain point above circa 35 mph tyre noise from a typical car is much louder that the exhaust noise, and no electric car technology eliminates that
Water also contains oxygen, and we can use that oxygen to improve nature
Ah, yes, "me like car go vroom vroom", the most important argument when discussing automotive transportation.
This, but unironically.
most intelligent car guy
I don't sleep happy unless i hear my neighbors are revving all the way home
Like I kid I run to the window to see what kind of car it is🤣😮💨
We must live in the same neighborhood.
This has to be sarcasm. If not, you have issues
@@DatGrape111 I think you might be taking things a little too seriously
And this is why I moved to a rural area
Don't care. I want vroom vroom.
Fun fact, air pollution continues to shrink penis size. I'm gunna guess to say you somewhat care about your size... lmao.
Agreed, vroom vroom. But at this point I will settle for anything that isnt an EV with a short fixed lifespan, a structurally integrated battery, and useless subscription services.
@@scromberprofessionalautist1017 So literally everything except Tesla
my feelings exactly
Same vroom vroom good 👍
It’s been around for a while the only reason it doesn’t take off is because the government would loose out on a lot money for fuel
What do you mean? The US government subsidizes gasoline and literally loses money on it. Have you never wondered why it's so cheap in the US?
I'll be honest that really doesn't matter. I'm a diesel mechanic and I'll tell you the amount of emission controls they have on these things. Now is ridiculous. In fact, the exhaust coming out of a clean well-working EGR is actually fresher than the air going into the damn engine. Is that not ridiculous? There's so many cleaners and just exhaust recirculations on these engines now that it's almost ridiculous. Like most people think these things are just awful emission spewing hogs but they are literally not
A diesel car emits ~2500g CO2 per liter of fuel burnt regardless of how much you filter the exhaust.
Me who loves that 70s show: and it runs on water man
Your profile picture looks like an Among Us character.
@@awertyuiop8711 the funny astronauts have completely ruined the cerebral cortexes of an entire generation
😂 Hyde is the g
I was thinking the same thing 🤣
@@awertyuiop8711 don't mess with me im in a cult
people who live next to busy roads are screaming with joy right now
People having to go to school or work by bike on the sidewalk will not be too happy when they have to cross a street at which you can't see around the corner and then get hit by a car
Ppl who have sensitive hearing... 😍
Most road noise today has nothing to do with engines, it's the roar of tires on the pavement that people hear. Aside from the occasional loud-piped sports car or a big diesel truck engine braking, you mostly hear tire roar. Electric cars aren't going to change any of that.
@@killmine1235 You can't have it all. Choose your sleep or your life.
@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg have you ever been walking near an electric car? under certain speeds you cannot hear it coming.
I'm a motorbike guy myself, the engine sound is part of the excitement and feeling of it, and it's what makes a Motorbike a Motorbike, I can't think of anything worse than an electric motorbike, I'd take a hydrogen combustion bike or even a combustion bike that runs on Synthetic fuel instead of fossil, over an electric one anyday 👌🏍️
Literally 90% of me hating on evs is because no matter how good they get, you fundamentally have lost that feeling of being part of the machine, movinh the gears with the shifter, shifting the clutch, the shakiness of a big rumbling engine in front of you. That just cannot be replaced without combustion
And as machinist, noise is an eternal sin that is the first sign of doom
What does being a machinist have to do with noise signaling a bad thing?
Explosions make noise. Cars rely on explosions to move. There will always be some noise.
Your experience as a machinist is completely relevant considering the fact that combustion engines are supposed to make noise 🤦
@Gol Acheron So I misspoke slightly. It’s a deflagration, not a detonation. Whatever. Plenty of bullets rely on deflagration and are still loud as heck.
Combustion and explosion are not a binary pair either. They’re the same thing but on different timescales with plenty falling between the two extremes. I’d say it’s fast enough to be an explosion. If you saw it right in front of you with nothing between you and the rapidly expanding pocket of gas, you’d probably say it was an explosion too.
@Gol Acheron actually it is contained explosions.
I’m sure there’ll be a few fun cars that use hydrogen combustion just for shiz and giggles in the future
Yes
Bon Lazar has a corvette that's hydrogen powered.
Hydrogen cars could make a big bang. Hydrogen is the rocket fuel with the highest specific impulse and the hardest to contain. So unfortunately the bangs may not be coming from the engine compartment.
To be fair, gasoline/petrol already has this issue (although admittedly not quite as explosive as straight hydrogen).
I don't understand why EV sprtscar makers aren't partnering up with musical artists to create the coolest software to run on their cars.
Imagine having timpani drums crashing whenever you shift gears, or the sound of rumbling thunder when you start to push at the throttle...or maybe Aphex Twin, or Squarepusher, or Timbaland, or Pharrell, someone like that, creates a really cool acceleration sound that gets distorted in a cool way when by the driver turning the steering wheel, maybe it changes chords, or changes key...and maybe the acceleration sound gets distorted or added to in another, different way when the driver brakes....
There are so many possibilities. You could have a classical EV software, that plays low bass string notes together when you accelerate, and stays there for a while after you let off the throttle, and big drum clashes when you brake.
You could have one for metal heads, or classic rock fans, you could have completely unmusical ones that are just about making the coolest, most futuristic noises for your EV.
But no, we just get the electric whine. That's it.
Car people love compensating
At the end of the day we’re still those Neanderthals that love loud noises
I love how our monkey brains go wild when a big funny vroom vroom machine makes extremely loud noises
And here's the guy taking all the fun out
@@Lofi.z34 same here, my decat made my monkey brain go wild for sure
Lol I mean electric isn't bad, it is pretty exciting to see how it develops in the future with already crazy mindblowing powerful cars like the Sapphire & PLAID. I don't actually mind electric 😛😛 ⚡⚡
@@theweeknd2725 hydrogen cars can work with electric motors so the hydrogen generator can be used instead of a battery. some prototypes have removables/replaceble hydrogen tanks easy to fill up/replace with way longer range.
In essence, I am a monkey.
The quieter your car is the better your sound system sounds
I dont even have an radio, i just listen to my engine.
The quieter your car the better relationship you'll have with neighbors!
@@namesareboring2009screw the neighbors. They aren't good people.
The exhaust is my sound system 😁
Ps. I hate my neighbors
You don't need a stereo when you have boom booms
FUN FACT : YOU CAN MAKE A PISTON ENGINE THAT USE ELECTRIC TO WORKING (IT A MAGNETIC POWER)
HEY! Mr Magoo. Mike Copeland of Arrington Performance, builder of the LT4 650hp “Hydrogen Truck” at SEMA, is going to sell kits. Carbon fibre tank, no cooling, less range but enough if you aren't commuting out of town - THAT'S how the 1.4 billion existing ICE engines could become zero emission.
The 3rd world is almost ALL of our ICE emissions problems - they can't all buy new cars. Yes range is an issue but if you're working within a city you could easily refill fast.
The thing is. Loud noises usually come out of a sports car or something like that. And those are NOT economical, but that’s a compromise a lot of people are willing to make. So why not just put non economical hydrogen combustion engines in sports cars. And put fuel cells in grocery getters. That way everyone is happy.
Yes. I would like this approach. Heavy duty trucks/cars that weigh over 5,000 lbs should also have hydrogen combustion.
Me getting groceries
Exactly
its a win win
@@The442Cutlasswhy
Hydrogen combustion makes total sense for car people. We usually don't care about efficiency or cost. It is basically a combustion engine that's legal after they ban gas. No real downside here.
I was thinking this during the short, if you want to really hammer your car for the fun of it with an ICE you aren’t thinking about mpg. Hydrogen ICEs are the best way to keep that type of engine feel in our ecosystem without relying on oil.
I think a lot care about efficiency or cost and/or emissions- at least for anyone who cares to use hydrogen or battery tech over fossil fuels. Why go for hydrogen when you could just have petrol or fuel cell?
In fact as far as I understand hydrogen combustion performance is also quite bad and yet expensive and more complicated; and still produces a lot of harmful nitrogen oxides waste emissions. EngineeringExplained has a video all about it. Probably what he's referencing in this short.
@@MsHojat burning hydrogen has its problems like the mentioned nox emissions or the fuel attacking parts of the motor. Besides that hydrogen actually runs really well on standard engine blocks with a small amount of modifications. Also "not caring" will become impossible or expensive. For example in the EU fossil fuels are banned from 2035 onwards. That means the only fuel you are allowed to use is fuel made from plants or ethanol from combining hydrogen with co2. hydrogen will most likely be a lot cheaper then the other options then. Hydrogen combustion is the only maintainable future for combustion motor sports and enthusiasts.
When the first production cars with hydrogen combustion are available and the scene is more familiar with the tech I'm sure it's only a matter of time when we see supra's with hydrogen swaps etc.
Based on the physics of hydrogen combustion compared to patrol it will likely be even more performant.
If government bans gas they choose to attempt to win a revolution against their country's population. Our government would be abolished and replaced by the same oil and gas monopoly that murdered the last "water powered" engine and the gun lobbys connections are more than capable of arming the masses(who are already armed).
In 2035 your gonna see the people ban the politicians that are banning what works! When the other junk actually works then they won’t need to ban anything, idiots with hidden motivations are pushing for the destruction of what works!
worst excuse to not get an ecosafe car be like:
You gonna turn hydrogen cars into hydrogen bombs, don't you?
There’s a reason why hydrogen combustion is still being considered: Fuel cells have much stricter requirements on purity than combustion engines. The purification costs money and energy.
now that is a good reasion plus ya need to KEEP the purity
Not really. Hydrogen extraction already yanks out hydrogen out. Electrolysis already separates the hydrogen through some chemical mumbo jumbo that I do not know how to explain to a layman.
fuel cells don't emit nitrogen oxides, which are created with every combustion engine, because of the nitrogen in the air. also nitrogen oxides are harder to get rid of than co2
@@samuelmendoza9356 no you have design it with a membrane to separate the oxygen and hydrogen.
How about making it cheaper?
Fun fact a guy actually made this back in the 19 hundreds but the gas company made him disappear
Yep. There was a retired officer in the buffalo shooting that had a working version as well.
from what i read, the first electric vehicle was made in the 1850s (dont know how!), and yet gasoline proven superior
No, if you and I are thinking of the same person, I believe his claim was that he had water powered cars, which to me, sounds like absolute bs, if it was actually hydrogen, then it makes more sense
fun fact water powered cars are a myth and if you would like a real conspiracy look up USS Liberty
I could believe that. I actually met a dude who developed one about 16 years ago and no Car companies were interested
Gasoline companies were gonna be pissed off 😌
Lmao he’s really saying screw the world i want my “Vroom Vroom”
No he isn't.
The man who makes a hydrogen powered car thats better than electrical power and internal combustion, that makes noise, will be the richest man in the world
That still wouldn't make hydrogen cars make sense, but they would MAKE DOLLAZ THO, YO.
Just like electric, still doesn't make sense, but makes dollaz yo.
Until the charging stations just swap the batteries, and the price of replacing the old depleted batteries is factored into the charging costs, everyone will always be waiting 20-30 minutes to charge every 200-300 miles on road trips, and charging far more often as their batteries approach 10 years old, and will be lucky if they last 10 years to begin with.
Nobody ever advertises the downsides of electric vehicles, most especially not the "news" whose whole business is supposed to be "keeping people informed".
The whole system could be better, but the media and the politicians don't want to point out ANY of the drawbacks or ANY of the ways it SHOULD work, because they're too busy propagandizing the whole thing to get voters to believe mandating electric vehicles "because of climate change" is a great idea.
They never point out how much it hurts the environment to extract all the various rare metals it takes to make batteries that only last 10 years.
They never point out that all the waste batteries DON'T get recycled, because it costs far more than making new batteries, thus they're "stored" as toxic waste.
They also don't want to use nuclear energy for electricity even though it's extremely safe and cost effective. The very few nuclear power plants that have become unsafe were built many decades ago.
The people who claim they want to save the plant from greenhouse gasses are literally forcing false solutions that literally don't help in the long run.
Why? Because it's all about creating "voting issues" for politicians to exploit to get elected and gain power, to enrich the businesses that support them.
The left voters think only the right does that, and the right voters think it isn't as bad as people say.. but BOTH sides work like that.
Every election is a war between various businesses, and we all pay the price by believing propaganda and not doing research.
It's time for everyone to do their own research and not be so biased that they just disregard facts because they don't WANT to believe those facts.
Or dead
he would very much die making money is bad if it topples the existing elites
But there won't be any such thing !
@htss_404 No such thing dimwit !
“Car people love loud noises.” Right as the guy plugs his ears due to loud noise.
Fr 💀🤣🤣🤣Fr. 😂😂😂💀💀I love the sounds of engines at times, but hearing loud vehicles over and over, without much break, like I often do living in a city, isn't fun.
Especially not fun when most drivers are as*holes that honk when people are at red lights, cut each other off, burn more gas by speeding illegally and for no good reason and complain about it (especially odd as non-vegans, consuming the most oil, making the most deforestation, and making the most pollution in the world, on scientific record). ;P
Japan has had someone who developed water engines, but it gets hushed because of corrupt politics (especially in America, where the Founding Fathers were against political parties, and now there's a two-party puppet system, amongst cancerous, unoriginallll, and debunked Christianity they openly spoke against as fellow Deists, and the fake "Federal" Reserve that's been extra cancerous to the world since 1914, especially 1933). Nikola Tesla had a self running engine even, and yet, the news really didn't cover it much at all because it hurt people like Edison (who cheated him out of money by not paying for the AC electricity system he revolutionised, burning down his lab, killing his friend, etc.), JP Morgan, the infamous US government, etc.
Too many personal vehicles too. Elon Musk has even noted that most vehicles stay parked for 90-95% of the day. All these ugly and too large of parking lots. The extra costs in finances, pollution, accidents and deaths, massively destroying resources, etc. I was born and raised in infamous Miami, FL, USA, and it's typically rated the worst drivers of America, and rudest people of America, has a horrible bus system, metrorail is only on the east side, gridlocks are common, overly expensive (considered the most expensive city in America rn in 2023k, a ton of littering, drug capital, big bias against English, and so forth, and thankfully I left there, FL, and the USA too.
:3
You can love it and still want to protect your hearing.
@@icefisher1171 I’m a big fan of protecting my hearing.
Another EV "car enthusiast" comment.
Yeah, I want to hear the full noise of the engine without the muffler messing with the sound, and I want to feel it in my chest, but I also want to be able to hear tomorrow. If anything knocks out my hearing it'll be the orchestra.
The last dude who did it got killed by a oil company
What dude? What oil company?
Only teenagers and lowlifes really like loud cars.
Starting to think you might be "that guy" in my neighborhood who feels the need to gun it on a residential road
EE is pro electric cars lmao
When I was a kid, we put an old small milk container in between tire and fork on bike to sound like a motorcycle. Problem solved!
A soda can worked as well 😂😂
😂😂😂 Yes, a bottle of frutsi works wonders too (Mexican juicy drink)
Ultimately, the biggest challenge to hydrogen powered cars is the oil tycoons.
I say the claim that an engine running on hydrogen is quiet is a lie. When a car engine is running it's power is made from the fuel in the combustion chamber explodes at just the right time.. I don't care what the fuel is but when it is ignited in an engines combustion chamber it is going to be loud
He didn't claim that.
I always get frustrated when people say hydrogen combustion only produces water because H2+02->H2O, which would only be true if you had a tank of pure O2 on board as well. In reality, you probably use atmospheric air for the combustion which contains nitrogen so you still end up producing a lot of NOx. Hydrogen fuel cells only produce water byproducts though I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This is the internet. Someone will probably try to correct you, even if you're _not_ wrong
hydrogen combustion only produces water.
hydrogen combustion in a context where it creates enough heat and pressure will also create nitrogen oxide, as far as I'm reading.
It's less of a situation where hydrogen combustion creates anything, and more that it's a natural by-product of any engine burning any fuel because there's hot air and pressure involved.
still a concern, but still dramatically better for everyone compared to gas cars, and if they actually lead to the elimination of gas in things like large trucks or across country road trips, far better than batteries, especially if used in airplanes
In H2 combustion, lean fuel mixtures reduce nitrogen wastes.
best balance is everyday electric hydrogen or battery range for evereday use, then freepiston combustion like intelline or sir joseph etc. so its more effceint than big battery car, combustion is used for high power tasks like once ina while long trips and trips with lot of heavy load being carried, towed etc. more weight worsens road wear damage, tires brakes battery degradation wear damage. tax heaviness in car. rear seat facing rear, some lotus elise weight distrubution and driving fun focus for hypermiling ie. acclerating braking steering minimally and steadily, building car momentum on downwhills and before uphills, pushing power more closer most effceint rpm according to BFSC graph of engine... like by marketing and a reminder in infotainment every time cars turned on. easily removable drivetrain and anti NoiseVibrationHarshness materials to allow more optimal effiency and cheap repairs and updates, staying relevent if e fuels beat other energy holding tech, or if hydrogen cassete and grey paste stuff becomes worthy, new fully recylable battery etc.
It gets worse. The NOx comes from the high-temperature combustion, but 3-way catalytic converters require carbon or carbon oxides in the exhaust to reduce the NOx back to N2, generating CO2
So hydrogen combustion engines are only cleaner wrt particulates and carbon monoxide. They still spew out ozone- and smog-generating oxides of nitrogen in mass quantities. A whole new clean-up process is required to scrub the exhaust if you want them to be carbon-neutral and not contribute to photochemical smog (the brown stuff).
By the way, the high-temperature contact with the nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere is all that is required to make NOx. Rocket engines working in the atmosphere also generate NOx even though they carry along their own pure O2. The edges of the exhaust plume are hot enough to dissociate the N2 and allow it to react with free oxygen.
"Sorry kids, we could have saved the planet, but we wanted cars that made a lot of noise..."
Indeed 😂
fr
Bro, you could have saved the planet if you didn't make your wife make a lot of noise
@@azul1964 did you just compliment his dick game? 👏 cant say i expected to see that today
@@azul1964 His parents could have saved the planet, if they had used condoms.
What if we made an engine that takes water, passes it through a superheater to turn it into a gas, and then have high pressure pumps spew out the gas at a very high PSI to push the pistons?
What drives the "superheater"?
@@logitech4873 maybe a second battery?
@@Fried_Cheese_Official But then you just have an electric car with extra steps :p
I mean if you just want the noise, sure.
Here in the UK, we do have a couple of models of hydrogen powered cars. But... There are only six places in the UK to charge your fuel cell
No one is happy until porsche makes synthetic fuel
That’s just marketing bs, EV are the future
@@lukasyan4818 F1 is going completely synthetic fuel. So no matter what its going to be produced, whether its used in production cars, we dont know. But if its affordable, it no doubt will be used, cuz it would save emissions more than EVs due to less emissions produced on the production line. Plus it would keep car people happy.
@@alt2484 how are they making the synthetic? Intuitively it sounds extremely inefficient.
@@TurntBucket Carbon neutral according to the Mercedes F1 team
@@BadBoyV1 sure, but I'm talking about energy efficiency. Efficiency from the start of the production to being used in the engine. For a sport, it does not matter as much. But if you have any dreams of it being a consumer product then it has to be relatively on par with other options or it will have no chance.
I guess I'm not a car guy because I absolutely love an engine that makes zero noise.
I'm a car guy but like zero noise. Maybe, just maybe, the video narrator is errant in stating their premises.
It means you guys dosnt love loud well toned noises because probably you guys too much hearing un toned loud noises when little, so now you guys prefer no noises
@@megimargareth4015 no it's cause engineering-wise, any noise means lost power. And on top, I like hearing the wind or tires on the road swish and creak.
@@zbnmth if youre considering car exhaust noises is lost of power, means any kind of blow based music instrument is also waste of breath
Since exhaust noises works the same as trumpets, reason lexus LFA asking yamaha music division to tune their exhaust
also, those noises youre telling is calming and relaxing noises, not adrenaline inducing noises
@@megimargareth4015 I don't consider music lost energy in an engineering context, just like I said; you're strawmanning me. When my goal is to move and use as little energy as possible to do so, THEN I consider noise lost power.
Correction: Idiots love loud noises. People enjoy peace, quietness and reliability.
For those who like loud cars, I'd like to pump that loud car noises in to their homes when they are trying to sleep, or read or just have a quiet time and see how much they like it. Because that's what some of my neighbours do to me and my family, and my other neighbours who just want a quiet neighbourhood.