There's a TRICK You Need to Consider When Shopping for the Ford Mustang Mach-E and Toyota bZ4X!
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! On paper, you can spec out the 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium and the Toyota bZ4X Limited to about the same price, but there's a trick you'll want to consider if you're shopping either car. Nathan covers the details in this head-to-head review!
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I can see why Toyota has been hesitant to move to EVs, they're not good at it, but thumbs up to you Nathan.
Ummm yes they are , so STOP
They move slowly and isn't jumping on every new trend out there. Ity's very obvious in Europe.
I much rather prefer that instead of a coat turner of a manufacturer.
In terms of pollution they pretty much leaved everyone in late 90's as they never sold many gas guzzlers and relied on hybrids.
AWD XLE owner here. I've been enjoying the car very much. I took delivery of my car before the wheel recall. Toyota did their due diligence and took great care of us. We've done trips of upto 1200+ miles that have gone well. The car just got the update that's supposed to unlock 2kwh or so of buffer and many other improvements. The ground clearance and Subaru AWD is the best!
I can say that with city and minimal highway driving, we average 250-260 with our AWD bZ4X. They don't have a glovebox because that area holds a radiant leg heater. There is TONS of leg room in the car as well, we are 6 feet and over.
Thanks for the comparison!
I'm glad to see some higher ranges being had with the AWD. Limited? I recently picked up a Limited AWD and the range estimate is creeping up the more I drive/charge, but we'll see what winter does to those estimates.
The Mach E is also able to use Tesla Super Chargers, which can be a big advantage.
I don't know why you have an issue calling it a Mustang. After all, it's probably the fastest Mustang of all... 5 seats like any Mustang... and probably lower center of gravity (due to battery) so might be even better than a "regular" mustang in a curvy road... (esp given "regular" mustang ain't a light car and not really well balanced front to back.
Toyota FTW
One problem that reviewers don't see with the bZ4X is while the base model may be cheaper, and FWD has the better battery and range, Toyota does not allow customers to order the car they want. Instead, they get on waiting lists for the allocated vehicle for their dealership. Toyota also does not allocate FWD versions to colder states like Maine or New York. 80% of the bZ4X's in the US are AWD.
We really need to get to the point where reviewers are comparing vehicles based on how people actually use and drive them, as opposed to how they like to use and drive vehicles. Is a RWD car more "fun"? Yes. Do most people looking for their next mini-SUV/crossover care? Not really. If they want fun, they'll be looking for the performance variant, or another vehicle altogether. Stop focusing on whether you can whip it around a canyon curve or launch it from a stop, and pay more attention to how easy it is to park, how much visibility it has (blind spots), what safety features make it more drivable everyday, and how much cargo it can hold.
Most people want a vehicle that easy to drive, has good visibility, is safe, and fills their needs. A suspension that allows you to carve a canyon is going to shake the fillings out of peoples' teeth when they're trying to navigate pothole-ridden streets and freeways. A car that has enough acceleration to come up to speed on a freeway on-ramp while carrying four people is going to have enough acceleration.
Maybe a TFL-Back to Reality reviews channel?
I like it better without the rear wiper. Looks cleaner, less to break, and I don't really need it anyway. It has mirrors and back up camera I don't really even need to see through the rear window.
I'd buy the lightning if they came back with that $40k model
100 percent agree that was a steal. Do with the xlt was around that price too maybe 45.
Ford should never have started at that impossible price. Everyone knew they would lose money on it. The battery alone is like $15K cost (retail a lot more). So how could Ford build and sell the whole rest of a full size crew cab truck for $40K and not lose money?
The Tesla model y is listed as 330 mile range but pushes to get 250, that’s with full charge which is not recommended and draining below 10% which is not recommended, so really daily range would be about 200 miles, The biggest advantage with Tesla is the charging station, I have never had an Issue yet with the charging stations, All the other manufacturers need to step up as well to improve the charging infrastructure, there are plenty of ev charging deserts out there,
@@vxnova1 Mustang Mach E GT Performance owner: Ford said 260 mile range and I got it with 270, an OTA update when the dealer received it. After one year down to about 260, 220 below 20F. Unlike some I rarely have issues with Electrify America and will soon enjoy Tesla chargers soon, but as they will be more expensive I will still go with E.A. if I have a choice.
Also the EVs have to be built in North America, not the US, in order to receive the rebate.
Maybe I am just old, but it seems pretty funny that the texting is against the law while driving in most states. Yet all of the new cars are going to touch screens which do the exact same thing as texting
in canada, base model mach-E is 11 grand more than base BZ4X FWD for MSRP. I'm on the waiting list for the BZ4X (in BC canada, we get $9000 rebate so they sell out unlike the states) There are far more BZ4X here on the road than mach-E. Usually I see 2 BZ4X per day, and maybe 1 mach-E per week on the road
I'm digging the professor of rock t shirt Nathan! Great channel
Toyota put as much effort in the car as they did in naming it. I believe toyota built a bad EV that wouldn't sell so they could say that the market does want EVs. But Tesla has proved them wrong.
Nah. Toyotas future is hybrids, hydrogen and evs.. Those solid state battery will be a game changer.. Something Tesla doesn't have 😂😂😂
You have NO clue what you are talking about, and they did NOT produce a bad EV
@@ju4121 Exactly
@@allentoyokawa9068 You're right. They did not produce a bad EV......they produced a TERRIBLE EV. Thanks for pointing that out. :P :P :P
Toyota builds cars that last 30 years and hundreds of thousands of miles. EVs have a hard stop shelf life. Most people haven't figured this out, but they will when their EV depreciates to $0 before they've paid it off. In 10 years there won't be any early model Model S on the road and 95% of EVs sold today will be in the recycling bin. That's why Toyota half heartedly builds an EV.
Nathan the trick is to make your wife drive around in a 1990 Miata with coilovers for a year before shopping for a new car. Then you'll be able to convince her to get the car you like better because by comparison everything will feel like she's being carried around in a hammock by angels.
Damn good idea!
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada the toyota BZ4X isn't available here thanks for the presentation
There are some other issues with the bz4x suspension system too, which are not immediately apparent. If you run into a curb, this thing is gonna get messed up badly. I once run my bz4x by a fairly low curb, driving 27 mph, and that knocked the steering column off center. They had to re-alight three wheels, for only one of them touching the curb. I mean seriously! The charging issue is a real problem. It pulls much lower power than any car I happen to park next, and it limits the charging to two times a day, which ruined my first long trip, and made me hate this freaking car.
Never regarded a rear wiper as a "must have".
I'm used to driving vans and pick-ups (with a non see-through canopy) and am very used to only use the side mirrors.
There's a white Mach-E running around town here.. only seen three so far.. seeing more Ford Lightning trucks
Base models? Do they even have those on lots without $30k markups & Add one?
4:52 lol
Great video. Smart comparison. Very subtly funny guy never a jerk. I think that’s why so many of us have a little crush on him.
“Room for all of Roman’s hair care products” hilarious! 🤣
Pricing is at or over that of a comparable Tesla. The Tesla is so much better. I think they're going to have a hard time competing.
I rhink qith the updates Toyota has given the Bz4x has an additional 20mile range on the Awd model and faster charging speeds. Also the next update will add battery precondition wich is needed to help the speed of charge even further
I like where the screen is at
bZ4x is BEST in class!
These need to be tested on the ike chevy bolt range test. 220 might be 197 or 300 miles.
TFL already did a comparison. The Bolt EV creamed them all including Tesla.
@@normt430 yes but the Mustang and BZ4X were not tested. The Kia i have no range EV6 GT and the Volvo were tested.
@@arenjay3278 yes, weak review. But that is expected from Jason as the cars are better than the reviewer!
@@normt430 that Volvo wasn't better
@@arenjay3278 in used EV market it is!
Besides it is ICE based XC40 so it is smaller and heavier than dedicated EV from the ground up.
Why no model Y in the comparison?
Ground clearance I don't think is that important in the snow. I have a Taurus sho and I live in Minnesota where there is tons of snow. Never have had an issue with ground clearance. Maybe if you are really rural and you encounter a road that hasn't been plowed for weeks then maybe but you probably won't have an electric car anyways if you are really rural
I drive a Mini Cooper S all year and I live in Alberta Canada 🤷♂️🤷♂️ never been stuck but I’m cautious and I use full winter tires for sure !!!!
Is it true that the ford comes in rainbow colors?
Isn't fake leather what they use to call vinyl seats?
The Subaru looks almost exactly like the Toyota. It's the Lexus that looks significantly different.
You can't talk about the BZ4X without mentioning that it's basically unusable for car trips due to charging speed, which drops to L2 speeds after 2 stops in 24hrs. BZ4X is basically an around-town car and that's it.
Rear wiper will always be a zonk imo
Can anyone from TFL confirm if there is any issues coming on the bz4x in America. There have been found problems in Norway. That the car is not properly sealed in the back doors. Dust and water comes through. Please let us now.
There was one major recall regarding faulty wheel-hub bolts. They stopped production, fixed the issue and restarted production.
The Mach e looks better.
I actually saw both a bZ4X and a Solterra out in the wild and was shocked that someone actually bought these vehicles. There are so many better options out there. The only reason to get either of those cars is if someone gives it to you for free.
People are buying them strictly as Toyota or Subaru loyalists. If they knew a single thing about EVs, no one would touch these.
@@Josh-179 You are clueless
No there isn't, this is one of the best EVs to get
@@Josh-179 That is not true, lol They just know what is better.
@@allentoyokawa9068 , hahaha. You are one of the ones that know nothing about EVs. These charge at 1/3rd the speed of proper EVs. You almost can't even road trip them, and when you do, it'll take forever. These have no frunks, not even a glove box - terrible packaging. They are among the slowest EVs.
Do you not inform yourself before posting? If it's just because you love Toyota than just say so but don't try and say this is a great EV.
I cant believe ive seen 2 here in Raleigh, nc. Why would you spend money on it??? So many better options
A VW ID3 in China sells for $16748. Will we be seeing discounts coming to our shores?
You missed the biggest weakness on the Toyota, it charges super slow, almosy as bad as the Bolt. Also, the Toyota has been underperforming its range estimates.
With the two displays in the bZ4X at different focal length is not good for folks who wear glasses or contacts. Some folks will only be able to clearly see one or the other unless they have bi-focals.
So buy a Bolt EUV fully loaded Premium and save $10k
Got our Bolt 2LT for $21,000 out the door. Other than slowish charging, the Bolt is perfect. We are averaging 4.5 miles/kWh. The efficiency is outstanding.
@@davidhale9672 smaller battery in the Bolts mean these other EVs with larger batteries and less range have to charge faster and more often to drive just as far. Plus over 80% Mach-e charges very slowly. And Level 2 11.5 kW Bolt is 1.5 times faster than a BZ4X or the Mach-E
I too eat Professor of Rock!
Love mustang love american
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A video about “packaging” but didn’t even mention or show the frunks
So even if you buy the bZ4X "Limited" you still don't get the fender panels painted the same color as the car? Wow, that is a shame.
I’ll never understand why every other manufacturer gives you less range when they give you a dual motor setup!
Um....same power to 2 rather than 1 motor. Simple math.
I like the video. I live in SF bay area. You can easily count 20+ Tesla on the road in under 2 mins. This BZ stuff haven't seen more than 1 in a yr. Tells you how well Toyota is doing.
Me, I'll go with the Tesla, thanks.
Not for me
I don't know what is going on with Toyota quality these days. You used to pay a premium to get a rock solid run forever rattle-free Toyota even though the tech was a bit out-dated. Now these new Toyotas have a lot of quality of life issues, interior rattles, speakers that have white-noise, poorly thought out design choices. I sold my 2022 Tundra after 6 months the issues were driving me insane.
I know, the Lexus is even worse and you pay more
Amazing how bad the BZ is considering the development costs were spread out for 3 models. While the Mach-e is a stand alone platform and is a way better vehicle.
that was a waste of 17m55s
Volume up boys
Is that Toyota called “Limited” because of its range?
Why buy either of these? Ionic 5 is way better than either, and if you road trip often you can get a nice TMY for the same price. BZ4x has no redeeming qualities and MME is only a little better.
Listen automakers, the days of making quirky EV's are over.
We just want normal looking cars, but just put batteries and an electric motor in it. Imagine their best sellers being EV's as well, the Accord, Civic, Camry, Corolla, etc
It's been years now. Time to let go of the "It's not a Mustang" comments. Wasn't all that clever to begin with, and now it's just annoying, especially when said more than once.
It's no Mustang. That's three times now.
Good review Nathan, you want a vehicle, no EV ,a Toyota Camry AWD solid, reliable, comfortable and economical my buddy is a road salesman and has a 2022 Camry AWD mid model with 46k miles easily 30mpg average Cdn gallon no warranty issues and all dealer serviced, he buys it out the ned of his 2 yr lease for 17,700 for his daughter to start university and still has his right off for tax purpose , In BC,Canada they get 9000.00, 5000.00 from the feds rebate and 4000.00 from the province, they are ok their not in the colder parts of Canada ,
30MPG is not great efficiency if you have ever used an ev
That toyota front fascia resembles a whale, Mustang wins by a large margin in the looks department hands down
Basically you just don’t even consider the Toyota 😂😂😂
Junk software.
Simply can't buy the Ford due to it being called a "mustang".
It blows my mind that y’all are surprised at flimsy panels in a Toyota. Every Prius I’ve been in sounds like a tin can with every single bump and crack on the road transferring through the cab. The Carolla is the same.
My money is on the Toyota, far better EV
Toyota should stick with what they do best PHEV
Yeah except we’re all going EV so they have to pull their head out of their rear
@@YellowBoltTC I believe their next EV totally different platform, I think adapting an ICE platform never a great option.
My two least favorite EVs on the market. Not the cheapest, not the most efficient, not the prettiest, not the longest range. Why would anyone buy them is beyond me.
Don’t forget both have weak charging compared to the better options in the class. In 2023 if your EV can’t charge above 200kw for a significant period of time make it cheap or don’t make it.
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I saw several Mach-Es in London (I live in California) but I do not expect to see any bz4x on the road. Seems like a case of stupid design and a plain failure. I say this because you keep acting like a member of Toyota's marketing team!
I assure you, your mother works for Nissan and she doesn't like it when you're rude.
I don’t like the use of the name “Mustang” the Mustang is a muscle car, Ford should drop the Mustang part and call it Mach-E which makes more sense to me.
I'd be happy with the mustang more range more power .
Just take a Tesla
Ugly car it will never sell you need glasses if you think it looks nice
Sitting here waiting for the Blazer EV. I'll pass on these two.
I’m not a big fat guy, and I absolutely LOVE my MUSTANG Mach-E!! I guess if you’re not fat like this guy, then consider one!
Thanks for the positive, enlightened comment.
@@NathanDAdlen Lolol…he made sure to acknowledge that he was fat….. if you’re trying to be sarcastic, I was only countering his suggestion. Have a great day.
If ford would do an ICE option on that thing it would sell.
They make ST/sport versions of the rest of their crossovers, they likely would net any more sales, just take some away from their other sporty crossovers.
The Mach-e is a ground up electric platform. They couldn't do an ICE version of they wanted to. You can do it the other way around as they did with the Lightning though.
Nathan bores me... What is wrong with the name of the Mach-E? Yes at the first revealing it caused concerns but aren't we all over this by now? The Mach-E is a ground up design and a very popular globally yet he finds time to complain about the bigger screen of the two, a layout Tesla debuted without comment from Nathan but he finds time to complain about the info screen of the Mach-E. Please could Nathan only review Japanese and Korean cars? He seems to be comfortable there...
You are a minority, most people don’t love that a name that has always meant 2 door sporty car is now applied to a crossover, and a mediocre one at that. The MME isn’t a bad crossover, it’s just not that competitive in its class and costs more than most of the competition.
@@spcneary Are you serious mate? Jeez do some research instead of reading poorly ppresented reviews from shady charactetrs masquerading as car reviewers. Mate the Mach-E is selling well globally it is a fact. Everything is not around the USA there's wider bigger world out there and Ford gets it time you do too. Toyota used to make cheap and reliable cars yes and I give them that but they are trading on their reputation and have been dishing out poor quality cars for years while mugs like you buy them and treat them with kids gloves but treat Ford cars poorly. Go to Europe and see how many Toyotas are sold compared to all the other brands. You also called the Mach-E mediocre despite it was Ford's first ground up electric effort and blew everyone out of the water. What do you know mate? A Rav-4 turned EV is no match. Toyota needs to partner with Suzuki and Subaru to match Ford and they are no match mate. What until the new sets of Ford Evs hit the market...
Only thing wrong with Mach-e is charge port (soon to be fixed by going to NACS) and price. Not sure how they fix that when they are losing so much money on each one they sell.
Oh no. I offended you. I'm so sorry you misheard my complaint about the use of "Mustang" in the name. I'm fine with "Mach-E" - I even think it's clever. As I am so "boring," and should stick with Japanese and Korean cars, please tell your mother that I'm taking her to Sushi, or a great Kimichi place. Don't wait up.
Toyota looks wonky and has poor range and too slow. I ordered the Mach E Premium long range. Happy with my choice.
I don't understand the point of this video, you're trying to make the point that at the base level they are in the same league, but you're not giving us an overview of those trims. Also, you completely omitted that the Mustang Mach-E has a frunk which adds loads of storage, ideal for food or wet items (I use mine at least twice a week) and the BZ4X does not have additional storage at all. Also, no mention of charging speeds.
Lastly, can we please put to rest the whole Mustang BS? Ford calls it a Mustang so it's a Mustang; no one is going around questioning the Porsche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini SUVs not being Lamborghinis. They make it, they name it, it's covered in horses, it's a Mustang, let it go.
The BZ4X is so bad, I feel sorry for anyone duped into buying one.
That interior looks like they copied a 1980s arcade game. No glove box or heads up display and typical poor screen layout.
Tesla model Y . So much better value.
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The Toyota is an ugly car.
That's nothing new for Toyota. I swear they make that a requirement for their vehicles.
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total waste of time and money
Another poorly designed Ford. Mazda and Ford have traditionally had much narrower seats and generally more cramped interiors than other manufacturers. Unnecessarily firm rides too.
The BZ4X looks like the old Pontiac Aztek to me. Ugly, ugly, ugly and it will NOT age well.
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That Toyota is just so ugly and overpriced. Who would cinsider that thing for over 22k?
Always my least favorite reviewer on TFL...sorry can't finish any of his videos
Sorry to hear that.