I must agree about the wobble, the shimmy and the shaky unstable riding conditions of any Sports Touring Bike traveling between the Speed of 120-160, I experience this on my brand new 2020 FJR 1300 with 400 miles I put on my BIKE. THIS is something to be concerned about, I don't have that issue with my 2008 Honda goldwing.
This is a very stable motorcycle. It is true that if you don't load them correctly, at high speeds over 120mph it may feel unstable. I own and ride four different motorcycles at present. This is my long distance touring bike.
Not sure the loading has anything to do with this. Even this one is one of least stable bikes I’ve ridden on the highway. Maybe I have a way with st1300s :)
@@motardsquid I ran (owned and loved) an early model FJR and it had a wobble immediately when I took my hands off... at low speeds... I think its a common rake problem encountered with weight vs. wind dynamics... and suspension... After reading different blogs... it sounds like to me from a scientific point of view.... it is based on weight of rider vs. load vs... suspension (accumulated air possibly!?!) and maybe different other factors?... the fact you addressed air off a semi upsetting the stability is a huge flag (shoutout) for my debate!!! lol I rode a newer Harley V-rod when it was new (solid front rim, a wind vane for a lack of better expression) and absolutely hated it!!! .... which in my opinion was the best engine ever put out by Harley.... had severe blow around on the interstate due to box trailers on Semi's (literally put me in another lane)... but ALL bikes encounter this... so I guess the best debate is understand the bike and understand your personal skill set and ride accordingly..... accidents will happen... and best to mitigate the situation prior to it occurrence!! Dirt bikes perform differently, cars perform differently, and airplanes perform differently, need I mention boats?? lol Point being is there are so many variables that make a machine unique that understanding it is half the fun... or challenge... so with the ST1300 just step into the unique dynamics slowly!! I plan to buy one this weekend.... low price and fairly low mileage. My goal is to keep it upright!!! I've watched your videos in the past... and enjoyed your perspective! Thank You!!!!!!
I bought a brand new 2016 ST1300 police model, two years ago. Came with a 3 year warranty; which i have used. Thumbs up...Honest review, the good and the bad...I still like mine though.
@@dags6439 she's just getting broke in at 40k. If it's been taken care of, cleaned and maintained, all electric parts like the windshield work, plus no leaks or anything, you should be good to go.
Just watched your video. Mostly good, have owned 2 of these. Current one has over 220,000 km. Main tank is not a shell, the bulk of the fuel is carried in the main tank, the smaller tank is under the seat. Total 29 litres of fuel.
I had a 2005 a few years ago. I have been riding since I was 21 now 77. The ST1300 was the best all around bike I have ever owned. At the time it was not without its short comings to me, #1 no cruise control, #2 No easy way to add entertainment, radio, music and cell phone interface. How today with the new Bluetooth add-on to helmets all you really need is a SmartPhone and you'll be all set for entertainment,
Just ran the entire BRP starting at the Skyline drive entrance in Front Royal VA on my 2017 ST1300PA and was getting 43.8 mpg riding slightly above posted speed limit of 45.
Greetings. Take note that the “ pan weave” was traced to improper rear suspension “sag” adjustment. I ride mine over 100mph on my daily commute to work without any issues.
The so-called "pan weave" was analyzed and refuted by Honda years ago. Something as simple as how you load your bags could cause instability. If Mr. Motard Squid doesn't want to hear ST1300 owners saying "my ST1300 doesn't do that" then maybe he should put a little more research into the criticisms he makes.
Also, main head bearings. Remove the old and put the tapered ones in. Worked great for mine until I slid it down the freeway in Vegas. I still have a st1300, and a st1100 I'm working on.
Whoa, tapered head bearings? Would love to know more about sourcing those, as this is a planned inspection/maintenance area for Winter 2023! The massive front end assembly is very impressive; I suggest careful rider attention here, especially with changing out fork oil more frequently, based more on miles per month than just miles alone...tube seals do have limits and generally do not and cannot meet high rider ‘fantasy’ expectations. Change that fork oil! And check that tire pressure!
@@TechSavvy. Totally agree. Load heavy stuff low down. That’s how toy properly load a bike. CofG as low as possible. Adjust suspension according. Never had big issues. Top box without a pillion is another issue though. If you’re doing a long haul camping with gear behind you the problem lessens significantly. All bikes have this issue though to some extent. Have taken mine well over the ton.
apparently, the weaving problem is specific to 2003. I watched another video where the poster said they fixed it staring 2004, but the damage was already done. People wouldn't buy it fearing it might re-occur.
I own a concous 14 and i love the st1300 and the FJR 1300 it is sad that they are giving upn on these bikes as they are great all around bikes. My bike has gotten cofused with a scooter due to its tall windshield and they nearly fall backwards when i tell them it is a 1400 with 160 HP .great bike I sat on a honda st1300 the other day (police edition) for sale that was in near new condition and it was very hard not to ride away on it. they wanted 7500 for it but for the state the bike was in I nearly got it.
I have my 02 at least 8 years. I have or had the heat problem that cooks the rider but it went away to some extent when I changed to a Corbin seat. As far as the weave goes, I've never experienced it, or some riders are more sensitive to it than others. These things are a big ol barn door. The wind is going to catch it. I have an aftermarket tail bag. The ride is smoother when I have it off but it's never been that bad. I've ridden I-5 from Portland to Seattle. Plenty of open farmland subject to the wind, for example. I've never felt unsafe at any speed on the ST 1300. I've had a lot of Honda V4 from VF1000s, VFRs, Sabers, ect. The VF was a wobbler, for real. Last count I have around 120k miles. Not all from me. It's a spiritic ride for me because I have other bikes. It just sits there like a good boy until whenever it's his turn to ride. I usually get into the 300+ mile range. Unfortunately, with the weather and all, I really don't remember more precisely. I mainly use it for 2 up duties or a longer ride. It's heavy and a pain sometimes for just local duties.
I have 2012. Bought it a couple of years ago with 2975 miles. Smooth, stable, & great in corners (double+ posted speeds). I have had mine up to 120-130mph multiple times & never an issue or a wobble. There are videos on here of a guy on the autobahn up to 150mph on his ST1300 & he got there pretty quick.
I've been to and from North Carolina to Arizona three different times and never a problem passing tractor trailers.. never a problem.... Primitive compared to what are there today but a great all-around bike
There is a 2005 ST1300 for sale now in Russellville Honda that has just 43K miles. It has aftermarket pipes but 43k isn’t even broken in. The ST has a 7.1 Gallon tank. It will do 330 miles without much trouble. Both my 2003 and 2009 did this.
I have seen fifty miles a gallon on this countless times on the highway. In town I have seen 29 35 mi a gallon. . Yes it can be a pig at times but it's a great long-distance bike and I can say that from experience
The main problem of the ST1300 is that I have never spoken someone who did not say that the ST1100 actually was a better bike. Guess what I ride most of the time? Indeed a very early ST1100. Main problem: parts... Not consumables, they are no problem. But bodywork is almost unobtainable... I'll keep my ST1100 but am thinking about either a ST1300, a FJR, a RT, a Norge or a GoldWing next to it. But... as you said FJR has a high center of gravity. A GoldWing is, well, very big. Tried a Beemer. Bought a early RS (the first one with the then new 259 boxer engine). Disaster. Which was most likely related to that specific Beemer. Still thinking... Good video, thank you! I ride all year, except for icy conditions, and then wind protection and shaft drive are, for me, mandatory.
They are two different bikes. The shorter wheelbase of the 1300 makes it a much better Sports Tourer than the older model, it turned a good tourer into a great handling bike you could tour on very comfortably.
Just rode my 1999 ST1100 from PA to NC and back. Such a great platform. The weave is probably the windscreen flexing, especially the model you have installed, it's pretty flimsy. I was getting that weave on mine, around semi's on the interstate, and i could see my front windscreen and cowling flexing. Never bothered me.
I'm no aerodynamic expert but that was always my guess. I really want one of these. My Wife wants a 2 week $5000 trip to Europe. I want a $3500 ST1300 that will last me a lifetime and allow me to travel all I want. To me this is the perfect bike. I rarely go over 90mph and I just love eating up miles. Ten hours in the saddle from Mobile, Alabama can put me in some very neat places. The only brand I would be comfortable with is Honda. Every trouble-free bike I've ever owned has been a Honda. My lawnmower, generator, and power-washer are all Honda. If Honda made a washing machine I would get one. I'm at the age where reliability is paramount. I don't like messing around with inferior equipment.
One can get the Honda growl with a set of Delcavics and in my case a set of TBR exhaust after markets. I can actually keep the speed down by the attenuation of the pipes, but also since it doesn’t have gear indication I can tell what gear I’m in by sound of pipes. I’ve changed seat to Sergeant gel seat in leather, so full on comfortable and have switch blade highway pegs for on the fly stretch-outs. I have a set of handle bar risers so to stand up and stretch out occasionally and most mileage is 800 miles in a days ride. But handle bar risers also act as better posturing. The ST 1300 really handles well in High Mountain passes and extremely well in twisty mountain highways in 3rd and 4th gears. I’ve experienced a bit of buffering around transports with dual trailers and funky flat bed loads. I always just keep windscreen at ¾ height and blast by transports. Honda ST 1300 eat tires, but I’ve had really good results with a set of Pirelli Night Dragons and really good in the rain. I think a lot of people might have migration problems or drift with improper inflation of tires and consequently early degradation of tires, which creates more drift or migration. Check the specs on the tire pressure and check the tires with your own pressure gauge, very simple. 8,500 miles on back tire is my limit and I just change the fronts at same rate just to keep things simple and easy on my head. They inherently eat tires and one doesn't need a blow out passing a transport at 90 miles per.
you seem to have missed the best points. The tip over covers mean the bike doesnt fully fall over making it very easy to pick up. The panniers hold a XL helmet each but wouldn't if you top loaded. 2xl helmets ihe top box. They are also crazy stable at 80 leaning corners.
I had a 2003 that I bought with 40k on the clock and a 2009 that I couldn’t resist. Have you seen this red? Wow. He says ‘It’s not crazy power. Can you imagine 230mph? This is a killer bike. I got 9 tickets in four states on a 2003. I did both borders,both coasts in four years . I bought a 2009 because that red scoot was just too perfect. I don’t know what windshield hen is running but it’s just silly. 40MPG is far from silly. I rode from Norfolk, VA to Vicksburg, VA in pouring rain twice. The rain protection was almost ad good as a Goldwing.
It seems like they got the wobble figured out as tens of thousands of US police bikes put millions of miles and every cop I have talked to loved them other than cooking the raviolis and left foot dragging.
Make sure to put rear tipover/crash bars on it as well. I modified some from a goldwing and i finally dropped it at a stopsign when my foot slipped in some sand and luckily no damage at all but a tiny little nick on the bar itself.
Owned several. One of the best ever sport tourers. Only needed an extra gear and cruise control……so Honda just built the new Goldwing to replace both. 😎
I have owned 5 of these bikes 2 of these had the high speed weave and 3 did not. the first time was on a brand new bike. i owned that bike for 5 years tried all sorts of things but it would still weave i just got used to it. Advice from a british bike cop he said we power out of it. They miss their pans.
You can't compare to FJR. it is complete 2 different bikes. I have no issue with the battery up there or gas tank higher, etc. I don't know if you have ever ridden the Vespa 150 cc 2 strokes engine? Where is the engine located? It is on the right side and the left is empty and it is used as storage compartment. That engine is way heavier than a little battery on FJR ON THE TOP RIGHT. It's not a big deal. When it rides, all weight disappears. It is the skill that needs to be discussed. The engineer had designed with safety in mind and it has been factored in. I think it is just the riders opinions which I truly believe, it shouldn't be spread like a negative connotation. I enjoy my 2023 FJR, VTX1300, with no issue in riding , especially in a slow riding skills 5 to 10 mph, u-turn , figure 8 or slalom test. They are in 700 lbs weights.
I’ll echo that. I have a Gen1 (2005) FJR and a 2003 ST1300. The FJR is much more like a sportbike- sharper, lower gearing, and lots more power. The ST is softer, has a much better stock windscreen, more fuel capacity, and narrower (but just as roomy) panniers. Both are excellent and have their own personalities.
A reflex sheet under the seat, header wrap on the headers and the heat issue is non existent... Fill the tank with fuel and head out a couple hundred kms for coffee... then go for a ride
had an 06 in TX for a few months, fried my nuts, nothing I could do. and trust me I tried all the cooling mods. On Hot days forget it. but fall is a dream.
Yeah the heat is insane. The fjr1300 isn't as bad in the heat department. On the other side of the coin if you live in those cold places it is a great addition 😁
Why are you complaining about gas mileage if you put that huge and wide windscreen on it. It's like adding a sail or a square vehicle blocking the wind. Put the original back on and then let us know your highway mpg. Except you like the big wind block when you ride in the winter, so it's not fair to complain like it's a problem on the stock bike.
I'm 57, have a '16 ST1300. Bought it new/old in 22'. I was so happy. Now I crave the Hyabusa. Great bike, but not that great. Shitty MPG. Edit..I have had it at 105 mph, no problem, 8.5 K RPM. Sweet.
23:21 Volume knobs the sort you see on your home amplifier. Available at your local electronics store. Get three of them (I got brushed aluminium ones). Get three keys cut, without the RFD chip are about $10 each. Cut the top off the key to the correct length and file it to fit the hole in the volume knob. Secure the key in place with the screw and epoxy resin. Put into your bags and left glovebox. The one in your left glovebox use to open your gas tank. You’ll only ever use your key to start your engine and never risk snapping the tip off in the other locks. Best farkle I ever did.
you can't clean the forks, fairing is in the way, sound not that great compared to the fjr. Did like the amount off storage space. Owning a fjr i had some trouble with the weight from the ST, it's just adjusting to what you ride.
If you're going to tell the wobble story tell it as it is. It only affected the 2003 model which happens to be the one you have. I have 2005 model and not once has it happened because it was addressed by Honda
Apparentely honda didn't do anything to correct this issue according to many online experts. But can you point me to a link showing which hondas were affected and what honda did to correct it for 2004+ onwards models?
@@motardsquid maybe you can prove it's a widespread issue as you seem to suggest. Many many owners on forums, including myself haven't encountered this stability problem so it was either fixed or it IS setup related.
What I am asking is where did you see this? And what was done to 04+ st1300's to correct it. If it was indeed corrected than there must be something from Honda explaining the reason.@@alejandrosaez1772
I'm still puzzled qhy Honda dropped the ST1300. The Gold Wing is a barge & the ST1300 presented a smaller, less bloated option. An updated ST1300 with less weight & better ecconomy would be a great idea. I don't buy the theory that it's too much of a "niche" bike that didn't sell enough, there's nothing more "niche" than a Gold Wing & they kept that. ST1300, you're sadly missed.
Stability issues? I think you got a dud because I haven't experienced anything of the sort on my '03, it's honestly the most stable of any bike I've owned.
No i don't think so. I've had 2 st1300's, both the same sort of stability issues. Countless accounts of the same issue. I've also had a st1100 and that was rock solid.
Negative. That’s what the internet keeps saying. As I said before this weave is present in my 2003 and 2004 in all sorts of conditions. Bike loaded or unloaded.
If you're after a Sport-Touring motorcycle, the FJR-1300 is way, WAY more bike than the ST. I'm not saying the Honda ST1300 is a bad bike, it's a Honda man so it's a dam good bike, However, so far as Sport Touring goes, the Yamaha FJR-1300 is far more stable, far more comfortable and sooooo much faster.
Do not overload the top box ,that is what creates the weave ,when you wind it up ,major mistake ,from experience ,keep to the spec ,everyone wants to add more ,why ,think safe ,I have had no issues ,riding pans 23 years ,even with2 up .
The exhaust headers are routed forward before going to the rear so without exhaust wrap you may cook an ankle or two. I also like to point out that the waterpump has a weep hole or on later years a drain tube. This bike can loose some coolant because it has a self healing seal round the water turbine shaft and the reserve fluid tank would not come into play when not having had a warm engine. So there are going to be ST1300's where the coolant does not flow into the radiator so good anymore or just run without much pressure on the coolant. It is not like the radiator cap being easily accessible. You can remove flaps under the front fairing and build other small tweaks. I want the exhaust wrap done and experience not much heat. My TH-cam channel: AlfredMoi
Yeah, way too much engine heat. It would saturate the frame and metal gas tank, cooking my balls and knees in the process. Otherwise a very nice motorcycle.
Your not in a car ,its 2 wheels ,nothingʻ is perfect ,use your experience ,and deal with it ,that guy died because the English decided to fit different tyres ,
If the bike is so unstable how could you have gone back and bought a second one? Are you sane? Honda is a bad engineering company. They do so many things well but they do some really bad engineering or production results that they really need to look at themselves, change their QA and QC testing practices to find these issues before production.
I just got a deal from a friend. I traded my honda silverwing for one. The bike in normal riding is great. But if you push it on the highway is the only time i've had issues with the wind. I wouldnt say Honda is bad engineering at all, i think they are one of the best. But they have some flaws on bikes, but many bikes have flaws.
Smoothest bike I ever rode . Did 13 hour trip outrunning a nasty front this fall , not bad for a 76 year old fool .
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Good job Brother, I'm a 56 year old fool. You give me hope.....
You’re an inspiration to the Gen Xers coming up behind you. Thank you!
I must agree about the wobble, the shimmy and the shaky unstable riding conditions of
any Sports Touring Bike traveling between the Speed of 120-160, I experience this on my brand new 2020 FJR 1300 with 400
miles I put on my BIKE. THIS is something to be concerned about, I don't have that issue with my 2008 Honda goldwing.
Love your comment at the end. …. This bike is for riding not for posers
As an 1996 ST1100 rider that statement is perfect
I’m about to pull the trigger on a low mile 2012 ST1300. I appreciate your video and opinions!
I got a 2012 with 2975 miles 2 years ago.
This is a very stable motorcycle. It is true that if you don't load them correctly, at high speeds over 120mph it may feel unstable. I own and ride four different motorcycles at present. This is my long distance touring bike.
Not sure the loading has anything to do with this. Even this one is one of least stable bikes I’ve ridden on the highway. Maybe I have a way with st1300s :)
@@motardsquid Loading has everything to do with the wobble. My 2005 is rock solid because the suspension is adjusted correctly.
@@motardsquid I ran (owned and loved) an early model FJR and it had a wobble immediately when I took my hands off... at low speeds... I think its a common rake problem encountered with weight vs. wind dynamics... and suspension...
After reading different blogs... it sounds like to me from a scientific point of view.... it is based on weight of rider vs. load vs... suspension (accumulated air possibly!?!) and maybe different other factors?... the fact you addressed air off a semi upsetting the stability is a huge flag (shoutout) for my debate!!! lol
I rode a newer Harley V-rod when it was new (solid front rim, a wind vane for a lack of better expression) and absolutely hated it!!! .... which in my opinion was the best engine ever put out by Harley.... had severe blow around on the interstate due to box trailers on Semi's (literally put me in another lane)... but ALL bikes encounter this... so I guess the best debate is understand the bike and understand your personal skill set and ride accordingly..... accidents will happen... and best to mitigate the situation prior to it occurrence!!
Dirt bikes perform differently, cars perform differently, and airplanes perform differently, need I mention boats?? lol
Point being is there are so many variables that make a machine unique that understanding it is half the fun... or challenge...
so with the ST1300 just step into the unique dynamics slowly!! I plan to buy one this weekend.... low price and fairly low mileage.
My goal is to keep it upright!!!
I've watched your videos in the past... and enjoyed your perspective! Thank You!!!!!!
I bought a brand new 2016 ST1300 police model, two years ago. Came with a 3 year warranty; which i have used. Thumbs up...Honest review, the good and the bad...I still like mine though.
I have a 2005 ST with 83,000 miles. Just got back from my first 1400 mile trip and was getting 53mpg on some tanks. And we were moving right along.
Thinking about picking up a 2005 also with 40k on it, anything I should be aware of? Thanks
@@dags6439 she's just getting broke in at 40k. If it's been taken care of, cleaned and maintained, all electric parts like the windshield work, plus no leaks or anything, you should be good to go.
Definitely helps with the weave to lower the windshield. It doesn't eliminate it, but it does reduce it.
Did 240 on the bikes speedometer..2003, no wave…don’t know what’s the fuzz about
Weave was 2003 only. My 2010 and 2017 have bothe reached 147 mph without issue…this guys an idiot,
Just watched your video. Mostly good, have owned 2 of these. Current one has over 220,000 km.
Main tank is not a shell, the bulk of the fuel is carried in the main tank, the smaller tank is under the seat.
Total 29 litres of fuel.
And 580km / tank touring 😊
I had a 2005 a few years ago. I have been riding since I was 21 now 77. The ST1300 was the best all around bike I have ever owned. At the time it was not without its short comings to me, #1 no cruise control, #2 No easy way to add entertainment, radio, music and cell phone interface. How today with the new Bluetooth add-on to helmets all you really need is a SmartPhone and you'll be all set for entertainment,
Just ran the entire BRP starting at the Skyline drive entrance in Front Royal VA on my 2017 ST1300PA and was getting 43.8 mpg riding slightly above posted speed limit of 45.
Greetings.
Take note that the “ pan weave” was traced to improper rear suspension “sag” adjustment. I ride mine over 100mph on my daily commute to work without any issues.
The so-called "pan weave" was analyzed and refuted by Honda years ago. Something as simple as how you load your bags could cause instability. If Mr. Motard Squid doesn't want to hear ST1300 owners saying "my ST1300 doesn't do that" then maybe he should put a little more research into the criticisms he makes.
Also, main head bearings. Remove the old and put the tapered ones in. Worked great for mine until I slid it down the freeway in Vegas. I still have a st1300, and a st1100 I'm working on.
Whoa, tapered head bearings? Would love to know more about sourcing those, as this is a planned inspection/maintenance area for Winter 2023! The massive front end assembly is very impressive; I suggest careful rider attention here, especially with changing out fork oil more frequently, based more on miles per month than just miles alone...tube seals do have limits and generally do not and cannot meet high rider ‘fantasy’ expectations. Change that fork oil! And check that tire pressure!
@@mattthomson1689 Research this on ST owners forum. I put them on my 93" 1100.
@@TechSavvy. Totally agree. Load heavy stuff low down. That’s how toy properly load a bike. CofG as low as possible. Adjust suspension according. Never had big issues. Top box without a pillion is another issue though. If you’re doing a long haul camping with gear behind you the problem lessens significantly. All bikes have this issue though to some extent. Have taken mine well over the ton.
apparently, the weaving problem is specific to 2003. I watched another video where the poster said they fixed it staring 2004, but the damage was already done. People wouldn't buy it fearing it might re-occur.
I own a concous 14 and i love the st1300 and the FJR 1300 it is sad that they are giving upn on these bikes as they are great all around bikes.
My bike has gotten cofused with a scooter due to its tall windshield and they nearly fall backwards when i tell them it is a 1400 with 160 HP .great bike
I sat on a honda st1300 the other day (police edition) for sale that was in near new condition and it was very hard not to ride away on it. they wanted 7500 for it but for the state the bike was in I nearly got it.
I have my 02 at least 8 years. I have or had the heat problem that cooks the rider but it went away to some extent when I changed to a Corbin seat. As far as the weave goes, I've never experienced it, or some riders are more sensitive to it than others. These things are a big ol barn door. The wind is going to catch it. I have an aftermarket tail bag. The ride is smoother when I have it off but it's never been that bad. I've ridden I-5 from Portland to Seattle. Plenty of open farmland subject to the wind, for example. I've never felt unsafe at any speed on the ST 1300. I've had a lot of Honda V4 from VF1000s, VFRs, Sabers, ect. The VF was a wobbler, for real.
Last count I have around 120k miles. Not all from me. It's a spiritic ride for me because I have other bikes. It just sits there like a good boy until whenever it's his turn to ride. I usually get into the 300+ mile range. Unfortunately, with the weather and all, I really don't remember more precisely. I mainly use it for 2 up duties or a longer ride. It's heavy and a pain sometimes for just local duties.
I have 2012. Bought it a couple of years ago with 2975 miles. Smooth, stable, & great in corners (double+ posted speeds). I have had mine up to 120-130mph multiple times & never an issue or a wobble. There are videos on here of a guy on the autobahn up to 150mph on his ST1300 & he got there pretty quick.
I've been to and from North Carolina to Arizona three different times and never a problem passing tractor trailers.. never a problem.... Primitive compared to what are there today but a great all-around bike
There is a 2005 ST1300 for sale now in Russellville Honda that has just 43K miles. It has aftermarket pipes but 43k isn’t even broken in.
The ST has a 7.1 Gallon tank. It will do 330 miles without much trouble. Both my 2003 and 2009 did this.
I have seen fifty miles a gallon on this countless times on the highway. In town I have seen 29 35 mi a gallon. . Yes it can be a pig at times but it's a great long-distance bike and I can say that from experience
The fact you can put 7.8 gallons in it makes up for the slight piggishness though!
The main problem of the ST1300 is that I have never spoken someone who did not say that the ST1100 actually was a better bike. Guess what I ride most of the time? Indeed a very early ST1100. Main problem: parts... Not consumables, they are no problem. But bodywork is almost unobtainable... I'll keep my ST1100 but am thinking about either a ST1300, a FJR, a RT, a Norge or a GoldWing next to it. But... as you said FJR has a high center of gravity. A GoldWing is, well, very big. Tried a Beemer. Bought a early RS (the first one with the then new 259 boxer engine). Disaster. Which was most likely related to that specific Beemer. Still thinking... Good video, thank you! I ride all year, except for icy conditions, and then wind protection and shaft drive are, for me, mandatory.
They are two different bikes. The shorter wheelbase of the 1300 makes it a much better Sports Tourer than the older model, it turned a good tourer into a great handling bike you could tour on very comfortably.
Just rode my 1999 ST1100 from PA to NC and back. Such a great platform. The weave is probably the windscreen flexing, especially the model you have installed, it's pretty flimsy. I was getting that weave on mine, around semi's on the interstate, and i could see my front windscreen and cowling flexing. Never bothered me.
I'm no aerodynamic expert but that was always my guess. I really want one of these. My Wife wants a 2 week $5000 trip to Europe. I want a $3500 ST1300 that will last me a lifetime and allow me to travel all I want. To me this is the perfect bike. I rarely go over 90mph and I just love eating up miles. Ten hours in the saddle from Mobile, Alabama can put me in some very neat places. The only brand I would be comfortable with is Honda. Every trouble-free bike I've ever owned has been a Honda. My lawnmower, generator, and power-washer are all Honda. If Honda made a washing machine I would get one. I'm at the age where reliability is paramount. I don't like messing around with inferior equipment.
One can get the Honda growl with a set of Delcavics and in my case a set of TBR exhaust after markets. I can actually keep the speed down by the attenuation of the pipes, but also since it doesn’t have gear indication I can tell what gear I’m in by sound of pipes. I’ve changed seat to Sergeant gel seat in leather, so full on comfortable and have switch blade highway pegs for on the fly stretch-outs. I have a set of handle bar risers so to stand up and stretch out occasionally and most mileage is 800 miles in a days ride. But handle bar risers also act as better posturing. The ST 1300 really handles well in High Mountain passes and extremely well in twisty mountain highways in 3rd and 4th gears. I’ve experienced a bit of buffering around transports with dual trailers and funky flat bed loads. I always just keep windscreen at ¾ height and blast by transports. Honda ST 1300 eat tires, but I’ve had really good results with a set of Pirelli Night Dragons and really good in the rain. I think a lot of people might have migration problems or drift with improper inflation of tires and consequently early degradation of tires, which creates more drift or migration. Check the specs on the tire pressure and check the tires with your own pressure gauge, very simple. 8,500 miles on back tire is my limit and I just change the fronts at same rate just to keep things simple and easy on my head. They inherently eat tires and one doesn't need a blow out passing a transport at 90 miles per.
Great review I would definitely get all the above mentioned accessories if I were to purchase a st 👍
Really well done commentary and detail about this bike. Thanks!
I just bought my 2003 with 76,000mi on it. Smooth as silk. $2600. Love it!
Really useful and informative summary of this amazingly good value machine. Thanks man.
you seem to have missed the best points. The tip over covers mean the bike doesnt fully fall over making it very easy to pick up. The panniers hold a XL helmet each but wouldn't if you top loaded. 2xl helmets ihe top box. They are also crazy stable at 80 leaning corners.
I had a 2003 that I bought with 40k on the clock and a 2009 that I couldn’t resist. Have you seen this red? Wow.
He says ‘It’s not crazy power. Can you imagine 230mph? This is a killer bike. I got 9 tickets in four states on a 2003. I did both borders,both coasts in four years . I bought a 2009 because that red scoot was just too perfect. I don’t know what windshield hen is running but it’s just silly.
40MPG is far from silly. I rode from Norfolk, VA to Vicksburg, VA in pouring rain twice. The rain protection was almost ad good as a Goldwing.
It seems like they got the wobble figured out as tens of thousands of US police bikes put millions of miles and every cop I have talked to loved them other than cooking the raviolis and left foot dragging.
2:10 as an owner myself I have personally heard Jestons, power wheels and sewing machine
Make sure to put rear tipover/crash bars on it as well. I modified some from a goldwing and i finally dropped it at a stopsign when my foot slipped in some sand and luckily no damage at all but a tiny little nick on the bar itself.
Owned several. One of the best ever sport tourers. Only needed an extra gear and cruise control……so Honda just built the new Goldwing to replace both. 😎
Great video!! What kind of jacket do you use? I didn't know you can heat up jackets. Can we ride this bike in New York winters? Thanks!
I have owned 5 of these bikes 2 of these had the high speed weave and 3 did not. the first time was on a brand new bike. i owned that bike for 5 years tried all sorts of things but it would still weave i just got used to it. Advice from a british bike cop he said we power out of it. They miss their pans.
It's interesting that some had it and some did not. I love the all day comfort, but i hardly go over 100mph on it.
You can't compare to FJR. it is complete 2 different bikes. I have no issue with the battery up there or gas tank higher, etc.
I don't know if you have ever ridden the Vespa 150 cc 2 strokes engine? Where is the engine located? It is on the right side and the left is empty and it is used as storage compartment. That engine is way heavier than a little battery on FJR ON THE TOP RIGHT.
It's not a big deal. When it rides, all weight disappears.
It is the skill that needs to be discussed. The engineer had designed with safety in mind and it has been factored in.
I think it is just the riders opinions which I truly believe, it shouldn't be spread like a negative connotation.
I enjoy my 2023 FJR, VTX1300, with no issue in riding , especially in a slow riding skills 5 to 10 mph, u-turn , figure 8 or slalom test. They are in 700 lbs weights.
I’ll echo that. I have a Gen1 (2005) FJR and a 2003 ST1300. The FJR is much more like a sportbike- sharper, lower gearing, and lots more power. The ST is softer, has a much better stock windscreen, more fuel capacity, and narrower (but just as roomy) panniers. Both are excellent and have their own personalities.
A reflex sheet under the seat, header wrap on the headers and the heat issue is non existent...
Fill the tank with fuel and head out a couple hundred kms for coffee... then go for a ride
I really don't know what to make of the st1300. That weave you mention really worries me. Are the later year models better?
2004 and up no problem. Mine is a 2005, just rode 130mph smooth as silk
@@kippkohl7042 I concur. I have a 2004.
My '03 never experienced the weave, and I tried!
had an 06 in TX for a few months, fried my nuts, nothing I could do. and trust me I tried all the cooling mods. On Hot days forget it. but fall is a dream.
Yeah the heat is insane. The fjr1300 isn't as bad in the heat department. On the other side of the coin if you live in those cold places it is a great addition 😁
Why are you complaining about gas mileage if you put that huge and wide windscreen on it. It's like adding a sail or a square vehicle blocking the wind. Put the original back on and then let us know your highway mpg. Except you like the big wind block when you ride in the winter, so it's not fair to complain like it's a problem on the stock bike.
I'm 57, have a '16 ST1300. Bought it new/old in 22'. I was so happy. Now I crave the Hyabusa. Great bike, but not that great. Shitty MPG. Edit..I have had it at 105 mph, no problem, 8.5 K RPM. Sweet.
You’ll never be happy. I want a ‘Busa too! But the ST is a great bike as well.
Good video 👍 im looking between the st 1300 and the fjr 1300. Sorry my english ✌️🤙
Love the st but that winey sound that they produce would drive me crazy
Its a very distinct sound. I like it. It's one of those bikes you know right away from the motor sound :)
How did you make the caps for the keys in your sidebags and compartment? I love my blue ST13.
I bought it like that. But i think it's a popular thing among st1300 owners to do
23:21 Volume knobs the sort you see on your home amplifier. Available at your local electronics store. Get three of them (I got brushed aluminium ones). Get three keys cut, without the RFD chip are about $10 each. Cut the top off the key to the correct length and file it to fit the hole in the volume knob. Secure the key in place with the screw and epoxy resin. Put into your bags and left glovebox. The one in your left glovebox use to open your gas tank.
You’ll only ever use your key to start your engine and never risk snapping the tip off in the other locks. Best farkle I ever did.
you can't clean the forks, fairing is in the way, sound not that great compared to the fjr. Did like the amount off storage space. Owning a fjr i had some trouble with the weight from the ST, it's just adjusting to what you ride.
I bet you could do a wicked Donald Trump impersonation!
What aftermarket seat did you put on the bike?
If you're going to tell the wobble story tell it as it is. It only affected the 2003 model which happens to be the one you have. I have 2005 model and not once has it happened because it was addressed by Honda
Apparentely honda didn't do anything to correct this issue according to many online experts. But can you point me to a link showing which hondas were affected and what honda did to correct it for 2004+ onwards models?
@@motardsquid maybe you can prove it's a widespread issue as you seem to suggest. Many many owners on forums, including myself haven't encountered this stability problem so it was either fixed or it IS setup related.
What I am asking is where did you see this? And what was done to 04+ st1300's to correct it. If it was indeed corrected than there must be something from Honda explaining the reason.@@alejandrosaez1772
Canadians.. In the snow and Ice with studded tires laughing at that comment. It's a great well balanced bike.
I'm still puzzled qhy Honda dropped the ST1300. The Gold Wing is a barge & the ST1300 presented a smaller, less bloated option. An updated ST1300 with less weight & better ecconomy would be a great idea. I don't buy the theory that it's too much of a "niche" bike that didn't sell enough, there's nothing more "niche" than a Gold Wing & they kept that. ST1300, you're sadly missed.
love the stop sign roll at 14:00 lol
i hate that stop sign
You saved me from a bad investment. Thanks
Yep, Big Bang Wobble for the Buck for sure.
Stability issues? I think you got a dud because I haven't experienced anything of the sort on my '03, it's honestly the most stable of any bike I've owned.
No i don't think so. I've had 2 st1300's, both the same sort of stability issues. Countless accounts of the same issue. I've also had a st1100 and that was rock solid.
A partir de 180 por hora
Con presión de inflado de 3 kg mejora mucho
The bike has no electronic factory cruise control. Since I have had this I will never buy a bike without it.
Nice stable bike. That windscreen is ridiculous. Do your homework, the weave was from improper loading.
Negative. That’s what the internet keeps saying. As I said before this weave is present in my 2003 and 2004 in all sorts of conditions. Bike loaded or unloaded.
If you're after a Sport-Touring motorcycle, the FJR-1300 is way, WAY more bike than the ST.
I'm not saying the Honda ST1300 is a bad bike, it's a Honda man so it's a dam good bike, However, so far as Sport Touring goes, the Yamaha FJR-1300 is far more stable, far more comfortable and sooooo much faster.
Rápida si , cómoda no
Más suave la honda
Do not overload the top box ,that is what creates the weave ,when you wind it up ,major mistake ,from experience ,keep to the spec ,everyone wants to add more ,why ,think safe ,I have had no issues ,riding pans 23 years ,even with2 up .
Can you put those winglets/foot pegs on a 2005 ST?
Yeah they all interchangeable. You have to cut the plastic but works on all :)
170kph no shimmy yet. 75 to 80mph all day nothing bad
What year is your bike?
@@WD-sr8qz 1990 FIRST year out, I want to take it up to 200kph its really smooth well taken care of bike
A.partir de 180 por hora
I have an 2006. I would sell for $6500. $4000 would have some problems probably
Has any figured out how to deal with the heat.
Kind of sort of my manifold with exhaust heat wrap it does help out....
The exhaust headers are routed forward before going to the rear so without exhaust wrap you may cook an ankle or two. I also like to point out that the waterpump has a weep hole or on later years a drain tube. This bike can loose some coolant because it has a self healing seal round the water turbine shaft and the reserve fluid tank would not come into play when not having had a warm engine. So there are going to be ST1300's where the coolant does not flow into the radiator so good anymore or just run without much pressure on the coolant. It is not like the radiator cap being easily accessible. You can remove flaps under the front fairing and build other small tweaks. I want the exhaust wrap done and experience not much heat. My TH-cam channel: AlfredMoi
I just wear gear that flows more air.
Once I added a Corbin seat the heat became less of an issue.
The rubber trim available for the fairing will help a lot🤠. A bit pricey though.
One big Con I noticed is that it is too damn small for me. And it vibrates... the Kawasaki Concours14 is a MUCH better bike.
I thought they fixed the weave???
Yes no issues with 2004 and newer
My question is why does anyone want to go triple digits on a motorcycle?
That aftermarket windshield is disguisting
Anandhi music
Yeah, way too much engine heat. It would saturate the frame and metal gas tank, cooking my balls and knees in the process. Otherwise a very nice motorcycle.
Your not in a car ,its 2 wheels ,nothingʻ is perfect ,use your experience ,and deal with it ,that guy died because the English decided to fit different tyres ,
From what I am hearing this guy does not know much.
Im still learning! Thanks for watching
If the bike is so unstable how could you have gone back and bought a second one? Are you sane? Honda is a bad engineering company. They do so many things well but they do some really bad engineering or production results that they really need to look at themselves, change their QA and QC testing practices to find these issues before production.
I just got a deal from a friend. I traded my honda silverwing for one. The bike in normal riding is great. But if you push it on the highway is the only time i've had issues with the wind. I wouldnt say Honda is bad engineering at all, i think they are one of the best. But they have some flaws on bikes, but many bikes have flaws.
Get back to scootering please!!!
Looking for a scooter now. But prices are insane.
Exhaust wrap
If you’re going to talk about a bike take the time to learn it… duh
No doubt comfortable and marginally above mediocre in style but it's an extremely boring looking bike that brings on sudden onset Narcolepsy..
At half the cost of a BMW 1250RT to buy and maintain and ten times the reliability, I learned to put up with it.
Yup very true. We used them as police duty bikes. Stone cold reliable. Way better than a BMW just heavy
@@stevesmith756 Heavy when hjey are standing still. Not so bad when they're moving so I just keep moving. :-)
Yup your right and they have great balance
I love the styling of this motorcycle. I keep mine in the garage without a cover just so I can admire it!
I'm also confused why they stopped this model, but I guessed it is cost and also a big scooter able to do touring.