Great review. I had two FJRs and, after listening to all the Concours 1400 hype, bought a new 1400 in 2011. Everything said here is true. That bike felt big and was a chore to throw thru the turns. Traded it for a new 2014 FJR. Would never go back. Took the FJR across the USA coast to coast and back. 8500 miles in 23 days. FJRs are amazing machines.
I have wanted the 2012 and got one (Concours 2012 ) in 2015 and never looked back when it moves the weight is gone, it steers and the power! Add an ECU flash and everything smooths out and gains power. No regrets. I think this stuff is so dang subjective, can't go wrong with any of these bikes, except the pricy BMW
They failed to mention about the reliability of the BMW. I owned one and I do believe the reliability is way below all the others and when you add in the price tag it definitely makes the FJR my next bike. I never really considered the triumph trophy but maybe I should. BMW was a fantastic bike but I don't think I'll do that again.
don't forget the expensive service costs - the valve check requites a huge about of labour getting into the engine. If you go BMW it has to be boxer engine.
I'd have the Yamaha FJR. Great combination of sporting performance and touring practicality. And in my opinion it's the best looking of the group by far.
I agree, I like the look of the FJR and always have but I like the Concours too. The BMW is ok but looks top heavy and Triumph does nothing for me at all though I'm sure it's a fine bike, all of them are really.
The FJR has a somewhat boring engine and a clunky gearbox and not so smooth back axle (in terms of abruptness). If the C14 has anything close to my ZX14 it should be a hell of an engine.
The 2016 has recalibrated linked braking and slightly different gearing in the lower gears. I have a 2011 that I love, but the brakes do take some getting used to.
After owning two fully loaded ('01 and '08), trouble free and entertaining Triumph Sprint STs ('08 has a useless main beam) I would go with the Trophy. I'm just a Triumph guy.... Took delivery of a Trophy SE at the end of July - very pleased. Has every option except heated seats. Performed long overdue air filter change and the dealer updated the ECM tune complimentary on the Sprint - glad I hung onto it. Looking at the Quick Shifter add on for the Sprint.
I totally agree with all the other Connie 14 people on here. This is a great motorcycle. The one smart comment that the one guy made about going to a 190/55/17 truly does make a huge difference in how it turns in. I have a new set of Michelin PR4's on my 2011 and they are awsome.
My Dad had a Concours and I really liked it. I bought an FJR 1300 though and absolutely loved it! Best bike I’ve ever owned and one of the best I’ve ever ridden. I wish I’d never sold it.
Good review. I still have my 2011 K1600GT. I ride all over Europe and it has never let me down. My wife loves it too. She agreed to ride with me for the first time last year to France, we had a great time.
Very nice guys. Great to see some "off script" give-and-take conversation. Most of these vids are pretty stale and stick to features, engine size, etc. Refreshing to hear how you FEEL when riding each bike. That's what it's all about, right??
With a 55 series rear tire the Concours is very nimble. It seems that unless it is ride by wire l, has blue tooth and all other gizmos that increase maintenance a bike falls short. I have ridden all the bikes in this class. All of them good. But the Concours to me is a superior machine. It is fascinating reading and hearing claims that cornering is an issue. Even with the 50 series rear the 2 Connies I have owned in no way gave me this impression. Perhaps the reviewers should check the suspension settings? Or run with proper air pressure in tires.....?
@@ntdscherer shear power Nate. It is simple and comfortable. Putting the 200-55 17 on the rear this bike has few peers. ECU flash and a slip on exhaust saves some 40lbs literally replacing that potato cannon. Up to 15hp with the flash. All the bikes in this class have good qualities. I love the connie though. All the bells and whistles that come on todays bikes have real consequences.....Down time and expense.
Why don't they ever talk about all the problems people have with the K1600? If you look at the forums you see many, many instances where people have multiple water pump, transmission, motor, rear drive and handlebar switch problems that BMW never solves. For a $30,000 motorcycle you would think it would work correctly without spending half it's time in the shop.
Maybe because the issues you speak of were inherent of the first gen K 1600, this shootout is 2014/2015 era.. 14 and up don't have those issues anymore. True there may be a few here or there that have an issue, but for me I have a 15 GT that I ride like hard and have not had one issue in 10k miles. YMMV
john hanrahan my buddy had a FJR before he switched to a GSA. He has travelled all over the US at least once and I consider an expert rider. He stated that the FJR is designed with a higher range powerband. Where he always found himself getting into triple digits without even thinking about it. I think the K1600 would be more manageable in that regard.
Bram van der Mey it's just a question of how long the DTC will work for you because my colleague was replaced on it for the second time at 43000km ... honda is no longer what it used to be ...
I love my 1983 Honda V65 magna. I purchased it for $500 not running. Bought some good carbs got it running. The 1100cc V4 engine has plenty of power for me & it's a good looking bike.
I own a 2013 Concours. I love the bike. I considered the Yahama but i got this one for 11500 new.. I agree it really should have cruise and adjustable suspension, also braking is good and will stop great but it really does engage way to abruptly. Also scary fast. I didn't even consider the BMW's cause waaaay too pricey. Love your reviews and they are spot on!!
I AGREE, GOT A 2011 AND REALLY LIKE IT, BUT KAWASAKI HAS TO STEP UP AND ADD MORE FEATURES TO IT, CONSIDERING THEIR COMPETITORS DID ALREADY WITH THEIR OTHER MODELS.
I wouldn't call 0 - 60 mph in less that 3 seconds and a standing quarter mile speed just a bit less than 120 mph "not very inspiring". I'd call it pretty good for a somewhat porky sport-tourer running regular gas. The C14 is just a little bit faster and a bit quicker. The FJR is simple enough that I can (and do) do my own maintenance. And it will run 150 mph - on regular gas. Only downside is that the FJR has 5 speed transmission, well, "downside" if you buy a bike by checkbox. And MamaYama fixed that "problem" in 2016. Now, I ride solo, but i suspect that most passengers would be more comfortable on the C-14.
I tested all of those bikes, plus the R1200RT, and decided on the Triumph Trophy SE. It has been a fantastic bike. The main reason I choose it was ergonomics. I am 6'3" and have long legs and the other bikes felt cramped to me. I have owned the Trophy for over two years now and have had zero problems. The only negative I can think of is that 2017 was the last year for the bike. You can get great deals on them however.
The BMW is simply the most perfect bike known to mankind. I have never in my life experienced a motorcycle like this. It's the largest smallest bike, I have ever had the privilege to ride. Congratulations to the engineers at BMW for their commitment to perfection.
If they are like the cars they build then they are over engineered pieces of junk. Most folks i talk to that have them seem to like them and have good luck. My problem is i dont like having that much money tied up into a hobby so a bmw is a bad choice for me. I was truly interested in buying a concours but i didn't know they didn't have cruise control so i am glad i watched this.
I test rode the BMW 6 cylinder and loved it. Riding back to the dealership at 30 mph and using the engine braking there was an awful clunk from the rear. I got back and told the salesman I wanted one but without the clunk 😂 According to the salesman they’re all like that. It’s something I couldn’t live with. Fabulous bikes though
that was the best info i have gotten so far. My local dealer is selling the Triumph Trophy SE for 12.999 out the door period. I ride a crusier {yamaha stratoliner 1900} but i am seriously looking at sport tourer
I own a 2014 concours. Ive been running it for 2 years. The brake issue is true, they did fix it and I've learned to ride around it. This review is unfairly hard on it though. I really think if you put these on the track, the c14 would still dominate. They are a very good motorcycle. As an owner, there are many more things to praise about the concours. Buy a 2016 or later if you can find them. The fact they did not hold it in high praise for that zx14 variant motor with VVT, is beyond me. 130mph dead stable, 70+ mph corners, cuts like a knife. Gusty wind? No problem. 150hp, 100lb ft and a 6 speed, cmon...
That might be an understatement :) BMW are best bought new and sold immediately as soon as warranty expires. At least that is what I get from friends and colleagues who own BMW bikes. Some were even forced to buy a second, "just in case" bike, usually a scooter or a small displacement one for getting around town when their main machine is in service for one reason or the other. Most of them own GS though, so I am not sure this 100% applies to the 1600. My FJR's most horrible break down was burnt out lightbulbs that I had to change.
@@iskinmind7020 I disagree, I have a '94 RS for 4 years now, has close to 90K miles and never once broke down on the road. My girl and I do shorter trips like 1-3 hour rides and this thing just keep going. Before this I had a 600cc Yamaha and it felt CHEAP compared to the BMW and had a LOT more problems even it had only 45K miles on it. We have many former Harley guys in our BMW club, they switched because they got jealous that their Harleys frequently sat at to the shop while the BMW guys just kept riding; they tell us on our forum all the time. The reason the BMWs are so expensive is because of quality, reliability and durability. While most bikes are made for 100K as their life the BMWs are made to run for 200K. The only thing I don't like is service charges, they are a LOT for repairs but I am lucky to have a former BMW master mechanic living not far from me, he does everything for half price, and of course best to get a good manual and do any regular maintenance or anything you can yourself. I would not go with anything but a BMW as my next bike.
@@tibork3845 I absolutely do not dispute older BMW reliability. Older models, whether it is bikes or cars, have almost legendary reliability. The same goes for Mercedes cars. It all went sideways for them sometime during early 2000s. Whereas before their vehicles were designed by actual mechanics with hands on experience of maintenance issues, now it all comes out of a AutoCAD drawing board as a "theoretically working, super optimized solution". This over optimization and tech cramming became an obsession for them, and many real life problems were ignored. As an example, for the love of everything, I can not find a reason to make a simple oil change be as difficult as it is on larger GS models. Even to get to an oil filter you need unique and highly specialized tools that only BMW use. Sure, a filter can on an FJR increases drag by about 0.0000000001% and shifts weight slightly sideways by the same amount. But you can screw it in and out by hand, and that is a HUGE advantage for day to day living with your machine.
@@iskinmind7020 I didn't know these, thanks for the info. I'll make sure my next bike will remain and older year. I do agree even the '94 is kind of complex to work on (compared to my former Yamaha) and a longer process to learn and I heard the RT is even worse because of the additional panels and gadgets. And of course the problem with newer vehicles - be it a bike or car - is everything run by computers so you can't just fix anything on it at home. I can see the point on the CAD design's drawbacks. I do like the look of the GS but I don't think I would get one only because it's just not my style. I actually first was looking at the FJR and sat on one twice but felt was too heavy for me and one of the other important reasons I picked the BMW, the low center of gravity with the boxer engine. It's surprisingly easy to pickup and balance almost like a mid-sized bike - just watch the turns with the cylinder heads.
@@tibork3845 If you like BMW style of ergonomics and ride, there is a very good BMW sport touring model that basically has all the BMW advantages while having next to no drawbacks. Aside from age that is. If you get a chance, try out the BMW 1150 RT. These are early 2000s, with the same engine that the GS used previously. They are very cheap now, thanks to being obscured by the more popular GS series. This is perhaps the pinnacle of BMW reliability, while being a very good touring bike overall. In fact, I was considering one of these myself, but had problems finding one in a good condition - it is not a very motorcycle friendly environment up here due to colder climate and thus, a very small market and poor selection. If you get a '03 to '05 year model, they basically have all the minor quirks sorted out (they never had major ones to my knowledge). Much easier to handle than an FJR due to lower center of gravity of the boxer engine. It is even easier than a GS, because the engine is even lower due to short suspension. It is a road oriented bike only though. But for a 500km+ ride, it is hard to find a better machine, considering the price point. My choice of the FJR had more to do with bikes and parts availability in the region. Well, and the fact that it can do 130mph+ 2up with loaded saddlebags, trunk and a raised screen, but that was one time only and cops do not need to know about it. :)
I own the Kawasaki and noticed that having the correct tire pressure is VERY important. I previously owned the FJR and it put my right hand to sleep in 20 minutes.
You guys that keep on saying where's the Goldwing: This is a Sport Touring albeit (heavy weight) ST shoot out. The Goldwing is a full fledge Touring bike not a true sport tourer. Some call it a cruiser but that is not it's true class. Sport tourers are a mixture sportbike and touring bikes.
I've had 2 Goldwings and now have a BMW 1600 GTL. The GTL is great on corners and feels super light and no dip in braking like the wing. But the stereo on the GW was better and the BMW is faster. The comfort of the rides are similar. Fixing to take the BMW for long ride so will for sure tell if there is a difference. I do know the 7 gal tank on the BMW is great compared to the wing and I can pass some gas stations up. Getting 47 mpg on the BMW to 42 on the wing.
I really love to watch your video's,especially now that I want to switch from my Busa to something a bit more relaxed for long distance two up riding. The review's are fantastic and very informative,BUT (lol),one thing missing for me,which is important,is no review's of life from the pillion seat. I'd like to hear from a passenger as to how comfortable (or not) the bike's are after a good few miles out on the road? If you do any further review's,take a pillion along!!! Brett
Pretty good vid. I ride a Gen II YamaMama FJR. Awesome machine i got for 5k a year ago. Only complaint is the stock windshield puts the turbulence on my helmet, thinking of adding a lip, and the clutch is a bit heavy.
+Larry Watkins Here in Holland, quite near Amsterdam, is the company of former (almost... :-) ) 125 cc roadracing worldchampion Jos Schurgers of Jos Schurgers Design. At his company I bought my self a tailormade windshield for my own 2001 Yamaha FJR1300. It fits like a glove; no turbulence whatsoever around my helmet anymore! Now the soothing buzzing of the beautiful engine gives me the constant impression of travelling in a real Boeing 747 Jumbojet! Fantastic! Ton Kool, Amsterdam.
"I ride a Gen II YamaMama FJR . . . " I have a 2013 (Series III). I REALLY wanted cruise control. Right after my first medium long trip, I bought a Yamaha Touring Windshield. The clutch IS a little heavy, but for a little over $300 or so you can fit the 2016 clutch parts.
Love my 2012 Connie 14. Yes, it may be a little less refined than the others but it's still a great value. Paid $16,200 out the door in 2013 with a 7 year extended warranty. I'll ride it until the warranty is up or it's paid off and look at what's available at that time. The R 1200 RT is a dream to ride as well. Only 3 tenths of a second slower in the quarter mile than the K1600 GT, but too pricey as well.
AGREE, MINE IS A 2011, AND EVEN THOUGH IT LACKS SOME OF THE BELLS AND WHISTLES FROM THE OTHER BIKES IT IS STILL A BUDGET FRIENDLY MOTORCYCLE WITH PLENTY OF PUNCH, HOPEFULLY KAWASAKI WILL IMPROVE ON THE CONNIE IN THE FUTURE WITH SOME OTHER FEATURES SO IT CAN COMPETE WITH YAMAHA.
Spend $400 dollars on the Connie, reflashed ecu for super smooth throttle and power then change back tire to 55 series and you will out accelerate and corner step for step with Yamaha.
Ebelt, so you're going to wait until you finally don't have a bike payment then you're going to go back in and pay a shitload in fees, get bitchslapped on the trade-in value, then start financing all over again? How about instead you enjoy the bike you finally own then put what would be your new bike monthly payment, plus fees, plus tax, plus whatever other hidden BS the stealership comes up with and put that money in the bank !! You're welcome.
When I heard the guy in the video talking about a flat 190/50 at the rear of the C14 I immediately thought of the 55 height tire. It worked very well on my ZZR1400.
"Here it is 2016 and Honda hasn't updated the bike since 2012." Honda hasn't PRODUCED the ST1300 since 2012. And Honda has ceded the sports touring market to others.
usaf vet i kind of go for that too. But other than style (fjr beats a in looks) what would you do if you are 6.2, overweight 278lbs and over 55 years old?
@@Tax2Me I'm over 55. Lol. Weigh 200lbs. 5' 10". My 2017 is Awesome. my friends FJ won't run with my Connie. Lol I just got off a 2016 ZX14R SE. ! That thing was a Death Machine on wheels. But I had fun with her. Woohoo
@@Tax2Me ...I am really interested to know what you would do. That sounds like me, overweight 6'2 and in my late 50's. I am looking to get my first bike with a fairing. Been riding for 40 years this July and have come to the conclusion I need a bit of comfort in the older age:) At the moment I ride a Triumph Rocket, which I will never sell and would like to get myself something along the lines of this type of bike to go with it:) cheers
Top box, heated seats, and heated grips are all extra cost options on the Trophy SE, unless Triumph was including them as part of a sales promotion as they commonly do. Great bike, but I might still choose the FJR.
I did. The FJR has cruise control, traction control, and two riding modes. It has heated grips. Top box is extra. The only way to get a heated seat is to install a custom seat.
All are great bikes, im on my 2nd Concours, they are durable and comfortable, i ran my first one hard, put 70,000 on it & still ran good...not too awful expensive either, obviously they still dont have factory cruise control on them, but in all honesty, i very seldom ever felt the need to use cruise, but each to their own i suppose, they are still worth having, very fun bikes...
I would be all over a Connie if it only had cruise. I've had an k1200LT and a R12RT but I really long for that 1400. But from this comparo, I'm leaning to the Trophy. Had an ST1050 Sprint a few years back and it was an amazing and unique machine. That one was way more sport than touring though.
Well hell just change the tires on the Concourse. I have a feeling that with just a minimal $ input and you'd get the best bike. Bad linked breaking? Hmm
I have ridden the Bmw 1600 Gt and GTL, and Yamaha 1300 a + es models and the Kawasaki Concours extensively. First the BMW 1600 has a fantastic engine that is very smooth, but there throttle response takes getting used to and the radio and wind protection I would have rate as low. Neither give great satisfaction and leave you wanting more. If the name does something for you then go with BMW. Ok now the Yamaha, which has a really linear and strong acceleration which feels more like gearing than horsepower. The older models (ie. 2013) have really bad seats, no really bad seats, you add in cramped knees for anyone taller than 5' 9" and find yourself fatigued much more than any of the others. Newer Yamaha ES model has a nice electronic ride adjustment on the fly but it feels really vague at best and the seat is better, however the body molding feels cheap and pasted on. Kawasaki feels a bit heavier so you can not flick this bike back and forth as fast as the Yamaha but it does feel more stable than the others. Bmw will dip into the corner faster but it feels like it will fall over unless you right the bike at the end of a corner. The yamaha feels jittery on bumps or any curve that is not perfectly smooth. I would say if long range riding is your thing then Yamaha is the last pick. If cornering is your thing then Kawasaki is the last pick unless you change the back tire (skinny 55 series) which many do, then it becomes a tie for 1st. Kawasaki is about $2000 to $12000 cheaper than the other bikes, which leaves you enough money left over to buy one of the best suspensions system on the market, that will allow you to smoke all the other bikes. I wish I could say more about the Triumph but I have not spent enough time on this machine, but it feels under-powered to me.
Richard Short I’ve been wondering this for a solid 10 years plus all four Honda Yamaha BMW Kawasaki all have these basic color schemes can they get a little more creative?!?!?!
I've owned a current model Concours and had my own particular set off issues with it but it did manage to get under my skin just not as much as my current bike (ZX14), if it'd had a slightly less pinched bend to the bars and a better seat I might still own it and going to a 55 series rear tyre makes decent improvement to the way it corners with no real drawbacks. I will end up back on a sport tourer in the future and I'll be looking at the Yamaha very hard and the Concours too. The BMW is nice but the price is beyond rediculous and has a lot of superfluous stuff you just don't need in a country like mine.
i own a 2015 c14. kawi fixed the issue with the linked system and changed some seals in the neck to loosen up the steering. With those issues being fixed the 2015 model is a beast, and oh sooo fast! haven't lost to anything yet! gs750 z1000 fjr1300 zx6r i beat them all! kawi for the win!
The C-14, because of the RAM induction and premium gas, is substantially quicker than the FJR, but according to Motorcycle Consumer News (NO advertising), it is only about 3 mph faster than the FJR (around 153.+ as opposed to 150.+). It just feels a lot faster. Of the four, the FJR is mechanically simple enough that a handy rider can do all of his own routine maintenance. And the FJR runs quite well on the 85 octane gas you find out West when you get off the beaten path. And I love the cruise control. Triumph and BMW, compared to the other two, have comparatively poor dealer networks in the USA. The Triumph Trophy has what I call quality control problems, primarily with the electronics. The BMW R1200RS was on my short list in 2014, but if I had bought it, it would have spent about 6 months in the shop. The model was recalled because of problems with the rear shock. The reviewers glossed over that, but that is why they didn't have one in the group test.
trolling today John? the c14 doesn't "feel" faster because of 3 mph in top speed. it "is" faster because my buddy and i have raced more than ten times, the fj is not as fast as the c14. There arent any reviews on the c14 for 2015-16. Kawi fixed the issues that these guys said were a problem. I "personally" think if you want a touring bike that still gives you the sport bike smile buy the kawi!
charles mccarty Agreed. The C-14 IS faster than an FJR, just not THAT much faster. The RAM air, while not adding much to the top speed, does make it appreciably quicker. Remember, these numbers are not anecdotal. They were generated by professional riders working for a magazine that carries no advertising.
+Jesse C Ah see wot you mean... :-). Having had the opportunity to ride the big Beemer here in Holland as well. Alas... I hear some alarming stories about the quality of the electrical systems on this big Beemer... Also, the Dutch police, who ride quite a lot of B.M.W. sixes, complain about the reliabilty when the bike has to run idle for too long; then they would tend to break down due to overheating. Not typical for B.M.W.'s?
The complaint about the Kawasaki's handling has been addressed in previous reviews of earlier models. It's a simple tire swap out to Pirelli Angel GT tires and the bike's front end turns in like a true sports bike. So the complaint about the Kaw's handling is a moot point. Plus, they can actually be had for $13,000 if you're a savvy buyer.
Great shoot-out. I'd like to see motorcycle.com do more sport-touring features and less about all the damned sportbikes and cruisers already. Instead of going to those bikes because they're the most popular, how about educating people that sport-tourers can be like sportbikes without the pain? (esp. for the majority of us who can't/won't ride that hard on public streets and who don't do track days or racing)
I have had the Kawasaki concours 2015 and i just purchased a BMW K 1600 GTL. What a significant difference in handling and options I would spend a little more and get the BMW
I have 30k on the Concours. Bought it new. Stock tires are garbage. Put on Pilot road fives and the guys on 600cc super sports better know what they’re doing if they are going to keep up in the twisties!
$26k may be a large sum to pay for the GT. But I just lucked up on a 2014 K1600 GT with 8,400 miles on it for $13,999. It’s like new and almost $10k less. Look around and find a slightly pre owned one.
I was looking forward to the new Trophy coming to market and was so disappointed by the looks. It looks like a giant scooter from the front! Bulbous! And you forgot to mention how dam fast the Connie is. I own a Stratoliner and considered the FJ but it looked like the same bike of 15 years ago until the most recent update in 2014. And even that isn't to much of a change. If you test the BMW RT do so against the 2014 Guzzi Norge, which should be included in the shoot out.
completely agree about the Trophy...why hasnt triumph made a 1050 Daytona, or luggage worth a crap for the SpeedTriple? Its like Triumph isnt paying attention to customers anymore
I completely with the way it looks, it looks really out dated. I think it is the most bike for your money, it is well equipped and the has the sweet triple.
i still bought a KAWASAKI CONCOURS 14 in 2017 and never regret it. best bike i ever bought. so dont just listen to these experts. Ride these bikes on demo ride and decide for yourself. And by the way dont have issue with the breaking system work just fine with me its very flickable on twisty road so yeah test it before you buy it.
I noticed that you guys are riding in Angeles Crest Hwy often. I ride there every weekend. I have 06 FJR and love the road. I'm no serious sport rider and never was able to drag foot peg on my FJR yet. I let those sport bike riders pass me. My question is can any of these touring bikes keep up with sport bikes with good skills in twisties?
+Barack Blows I think that sucks, but I think it was because of the poor marketing, and the price was too high at the time. However, I think that it was not given a good review by people who, like these people, underestimated it.
Compare the engine specs for both the ST1300 and the CTX1300. The CTX develops about 30% less horspower at a lower rpm. A few minutes with google will show you.
I have a 2010 Yamaha FJR 1300 I bought new in 2011, and I love it. I just wish that it had a sixth gear and electronic cruise control. My previous bike was a Harley Davidson Sportster. (I live in Colorado where there are a lot of canyons to carve, and the Harley was just too boring.)
+Zachary Zarko While I don't have many miles on it yet, I do like the 6th gear on my 2016 FJR1300A. I can't tell you how many times I tried shifting into that phantom 6th gear on my 2008.
I am always trying to shift into phantom 6th on my GPz750, but I have never tried to find 6th on my 2013 FJR. I have, however, forgotten to shift out of 4th a few times.
I own a low mileage '10 Connie and traded in an '11 Busa for it. I did so because I wanted the speed and comfort. The BMW is a great bike, but in terms of value I'd prefer the Connie. That sort of money should only be spent on a car.
Now I love this channel but come on guys; these behemoths are not "Sports Tourers". Sports Tourers have lower bars and the pegs further back as in VFR800, Z1000SX, K1300S... Or, in my case S1000RR. And the luggage is called panniers, not hard sidebags!
I had an FJR. I road my cousins concours for a couple days. I just sold my FJR and now shopping for a Connie! The Kawi's an easy almost electric bike to be on. I don't trust a triumph and spent big money on the Harley I have so I don't wanna get a BMW
I like the concourse and fjr the best. BMW doesn’t look to shabby either. I almost bought a used one for 1000$ bc it needed something minor and owner didn’t know that. But I’m not that type of guy to do that
Concours $16,200, FJR $16,900, Triumph $19,000, BMW $26,200, the Triumph and BMW are at a different level. They are more touring than sport touring. I have friends with bmw that ever time we talk about the motorcycle they have had to do preventative maintenance. I have 2008 concours and never had to to any maintenance other than oil changes, air filters, shaft drive oil, and a valve check and there was no adjustment needed. The bike has now 65,000km (2021). I just purchase a new 2022 last year of the concours production. vs FJR which would be $5000 more for things that I really don’t need. (Electronic suspension, and cruise control). Nice things to have but for me did not justify the $5000 difference. And now, I have 2x concours. The first gen of the 1400 and the last gen. I love these motorcycles!
I bought my Concours new in 2009, I've rode it all over the U.S. I haven't had any mechanical issues with it, the stock seat is crap. It pushes you into the tank, get a decent aftermarket seat if you're planning on long rides. The bike is top heavy with a full tank of gas, i really enjoy riding it.
Thanks for sharing, but it seemed like a lot of Kawasaki hate was evident.The Concours 14 is an excellent bike! You guys didn't seem to give it a fair shot. But again, those were your opinions. Thanks!
So right Nob, they are doing the same thing to Kawasaki that they did to Honda with the ST1300. They biotched about the lack of this and that on the ST a couple of years back when in fact, in their own admission, they would choose the ST over all the others if it only had _____ &________. Now they are picking on Kawasaki. Trust me, you ride an ST or a Connie and you would throw rocks at the FJR. The BMW is too expensive at purchase and waaaay to expensive to maintain. The Triumph is sweet though.
Hey guys, hate to break up the C14 lovefest (I do think the bike is cool, it's a giant ninja!) in both reviews they said it handled the worst. In the first video, they said it felt the heaviest.
Too bad the R1200RT missed out on this test, it still more or less defines the class, and that is why the Trophy is such an obvious, uh, tribute to the RT. Sadly, the Trophy SE is plagued with reliability issues and it's electronics are second class compared to BMW. The Trophy SE is awesome to ride but I don't trust it enough to own one, and I've had two Triumphs and loved them. The FJR1300 gets my vote for withstanding the test of time being proven bombproof, a very capable tourer, and fun to ride. It's the one I'm going to buy.
Regardless of price, I'd say 1: FJR1300 2: Trophy 3: K1600GT 4: Concours.... ....but factoring in the price. 1: FJR1300 2: Trophy 3: 4: Concours/K1600GT And don't forget how much that BMW is going to hurt when it comes to servicing.
As a second bike I'd get the FJR. Fun bike price is great for what you get. The triumph is still to new for me, and the BMW is way to pricy. Let's not forget consumer reports gave BMW a worse rating than Harley for reliability. The concours just doesn't look good to me. The bags seem like an after thought and don't flow with the bike.
I have one of those. The big VFR completely defies categorization. There is no way a person can call it a Sport Tourer. Its gas tank is too small. It doesn't come standard with bags or a trunk. It doesn't have cruise control. It doesn't come with heated grips (though it is an option). It has too basic electronic gadgety. What it DOES have is what I think is the greatest engine Honda has ever developed. An unbelievably broad powerband with torque wherever you need it. With the Guhl reflash it is far better yet. So is it a sport bike? Well, no. The Connie and FJR can't hold a candle to it performance wise. It'll run with liter bikes, but with its heft it will never compete with them in the twisties. I will NEVER get rid of my VFR, but even after having said that I think that Honda kind of blew it. It is SO GOOD in some ways, but those strengths were completely lost with most people.
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Great review. I had two FJRs and, after listening to all the Concours 1400 hype, bought a new 1400 in 2011. Everything said here is true. That bike felt big and was a chore to throw thru the turns. Traded it for a new 2014 FJR. Would never go back. Took the FJR across the USA coast to coast and back. 8500 miles in 23 days. FJRs are amazing machines.
With other tyres the Concours feels like a bicycle.
I have wanted the 2012 and got one (Concours 2012 ) in 2015 and never looked back when it moves the weight is gone, it steers and the power! Add an ECU flash and everything smooths out and gains power. No regrets. I think this stuff is so dang subjective, can't go wrong with any of these bikes, except the pricy BMW
Nothing you described is a Concours. Enjoy your FJ..
You bought a bike that you did not like? Hmmm. I smell controlled opposition. Nobody buys anything that they do not want. If so you are a idiot.
@@chasefreedom5178 more sporty, more powerfull, more strong, more stable any connie than any fjr
They failed to mention about the reliability of the BMW.
I owned one and I do believe the reliability is way below all the others and when you add in the price tag it definitely makes the FJR my next bike.
I never really considered the triumph trophy but maybe I should.
BMW was a fantastic bike but I don't think I'll do that again.
I just bought an FJR, thing is a blast
don't forget the expensive service costs - the valve check requites a huge about of labour getting into the engine. If you go BMW it has to be boxer engine.
I'd have the Yamaha FJR. Great combination of sporting performance and touring practicality. And in my opinion it's the best looking of the group by far.
I agree, I like the look of the FJR and always have but I like the Concours too. The BMW is ok but looks top heavy and Triumph does nothing for me at all though I'm sure it's a fine bike, all of them are really.
The FJR is also simple enough that you can do your own maintenance.
FJR is a great bike. But the engine has no character. If you don't care about that, it probably makes the most sense.
The FJR has a somewhat boring engine and a clunky gearbox and not so smooth back axle (in terms of abruptness). If the C14 has anything close to my ZX14 it should be a hell of an engine.
My FJR will hang with any C14 out there.
Love my 2016 Concours. Bought it new with two miles on it. Has almost 20000 miles on it over the last year.
The 2016 has recalibrated linked braking and slightly different gearing in the lower gears. I have a 2011 that I love, but the brakes do take some getting used to.
After owning two fully loaded ('01 and '08), trouble free and entertaining Triumph Sprint STs ('08 has a useless main beam) I would go with the Trophy. I'm just a Triumph guy.... Took delivery of a Trophy SE at the end of July - very pleased. Has every option except heated seats. Performed long overdue air filter change and the dealer updated the ECM tune complimentary on the Sprint - glad I hung onto it. Looking at the Quick Shifter add on for the Sprint.
I totally agree with all the other Connie 14 people on here. This is a great motorcycle. The one smart comment that the one guy made about going to a 190/55/17 truly does make a huge difference in how it turns in. I have a new set of Michelin PR4's on my 2011 and they are awsome.
I just watched an 11 minute shootout, that wasn't a shootout? The whole thing is a commercial for your website? hats.
My Dad had a Concours and I really liked it. I bought an FJR 1300 though and absolutely loved it! Best bike I’ve ever owned and one of the best I’ve ever ridden. I wish I’d never sold it.
Good review. I still have my 2011 K1600GT. I ride all over Europe and it has never let me down. My wife loves it too. She agreed to ride with me for the first time last year to France, we had a great time.
Bought the Trophy because of the touring focus that they criticized. Well and the price was great for all you get.
Very nice guys. Great to see some "off script" give-and-take conversation. Most of these vids are pretty stale and stick to features, engine size, etc. Refreshing to hear how you FEEL when riding each bike. That's what it's all about, right??
I have never had a problem stearin or flicking my Concours! Every time I hear that statement I want to laugh!!!
I have a 190 55 tyre and ohlins in the back and it steers sharp.
With a 55 series rear tire the Concours is very nimble. It seems that unless it is ride by wire l, has blue tooth and all other gizmos that increase maintenance a bike falls short. I have ridden all the bikes in this class. All of them good. But the Concours to me is a superior machine. It is fascinating reading and hearing claims that cornering is an issue. Even with the 50 series rear the 2 Connies I have owned in no way gave me this impression. Perhaps the reviewers should check the suspension settings? Or run with proper air pressure in tires.....?
@@chasefreedom5178 What do you like better about the Concours compared to the others?
@@ntdscherer shear power Nate. It is simple and comfortable. Putting the 200-55 17 on the rear this bike has few peers. ECU flash and a slip on exhaust saves some 40lbs literally replacing that potato cannon. Up to 15hp with the flash. All the bikes in this class have good qualities. I love the connie though. All the bells and whistles that come on todays bikes have real consequences.....Down time and expense.
I have an 09 and this thing is a beast. It’s not a liter bike but handles like a super sport in the canyons.
Why don't they ever talk about all the problems people have with the K1600? If you look at the forums you see many, many instances where people have multiple water pump, transmission, motor, rear drive and handlebar switch problems that BMW never solves. For a $30,000 motorcycle you would think it would work correctly without spending half it's time in the shop.
So true. If you speak ill of a BMW on a BMW forum, others on that forum will really attack you.
Maybe because the issues you speak of were inherent of the first gen K 1600, this shootout is 2014/2015 era.. 14 and up don't have those issues anymore. True there may be a few here or there that have an issue, but for me I have a 15 GT that I ride like hard and have not had one issue in 10k miles. YMMV
Thanks for posting that Steve. I keep agonizing between the GT, GTL, GTb and the Yamaha FJR.
john hanrahan my buddy had a FJR before he switched to a GSA. He has travelled all over the US at least once and I consider an expert rider. He stated that the FJR is designed with a higher range powerband. Where he always found himself getting into triple digits without even thinking about it. I think the K1600 would be more manageable in that regard.
@@stevenbaggetta3905 Because it's slower?
Oh how I wish Mother Honda would have continued what she started with the ST1300
I wish they would update it.
Better yet, the VFR1200F.
I just bought a new VFR1200X with DCT transmission for less than half of what BMW 1600GT cost and I think it is far more reliable.
wihardy love the st1300 what a great bike
Bram van der Mey it's just a question of how long the DTC will work for you because my colleague was replaced on it for the second time at 43000km ... honda is no longer what it used to be ...
I love my 1983 Honda V65 magna. I purchased it for $500 not running. Bought some good carbs got it running. The 1100cc V4 engine has plenty of power for me & it's a good looking bike.
I own a 2013 Concours. I love the bike. I considered the Yahama but i got this one for 11500 new.. I agree it really should have cruise and adjustable suspension, also braking is good and will stop great but it really does engage way to abruptly. Also scary fast. I didn't even consider the BMW's cause waaaay too pricey. Love your reviews and they are spot on!!
I AGREE, GOT A 2011 AND REALLY LIKE IT, BUT KAWASAKI HAS TO STEP UP AND ADD MORE FEATURES TO IT, CONSIDERING THEIR COMPETITORS DID ALREADY WITH THEIR OTHER MODELS.
I agree with you both! Concours is a great bike, I thought they would at least have cruise control on it by now :(
Dsoto, why did you pick the C14 over the FJR? I'm trying to decide on my next bike.
The FJR is bulletproof overall but the motor is not very inspiring. The C14, if it's anything close to a ZX14 it should be great.
I wouldn't call 0 - 60 mph in less that 3 seconds and a standing quarter mile speed just a bit less than 120 mph "not very inspiring". I'd call it pretty good for a somewhat porky sport-tourer running regular gas.
The C14 is just a little bit faster and a bit quicker. The FJR is simple enough that I can (and do) do my own maintenance. And it will run 150 mph - on regular gas.
Only downside is that the FJR has 5 speed transmission, well, "downside" if you buy a bike by checkbox. And MamaYama fixed that "problem" in 2016.
Now, I ride solo, but i suspect that most passengers would be more comfortable on the C-14.
Nice wheelie by the Connie at 9:30 mark....!!
I tested all of those bikes, plus the R1200RT, and decided on the Triumph Trophy SE. It has been a fantastic bike. The main reason I choose it was ergonomics. I am 6'3" and have long legs and the other bikes felt cramped to me. I have owned the Trophy for over two years now and have had zero problems. The only negative I can think of is that 2017 was the last year for the bike. You can get great deals on them however.
The BMW is simply the most perfect bike known to mankind. I have never in my life experienced a motorcycle like this. It's the largest smallest bike, I have ever had the privilege to ride. Congratulations to the engineers at BMW for their commitment to perfection.
Now, if they could just make it RELIABLE.
After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
Bring My Wallet
Frank, true! BMW builds incredible motorbikes. Pure magic.
If they are like the cars they build then they are over engineered pieces of junk. Most folks i talk to that have them seem to like them and have good luck. My problem is i dont like having that much money tied up into a hobby so a bmw is a bad choice for me. I was truly interested in buying a concours but i didn't know they didn't have cruise control so i am glad i watched this.
I test rode the BMW 6 cylinder and loved it. Riding back to the dealership at 30 mph and using the engine braking there was an awful clunk from the rear. I got back and told the salesman I wanted one but without the clunk 😂 According to the salesman they’re all like that. It’s something I couldn’t live with. Fabulous bikes though
Cool bikes. I'm getting my 2023 FJR1300ES soon.
that was the best info i have gotten so far. My local dealer is selling the Triumph Trophy SE for 12.999 out the door period. I ride a crusier {yamaha stratoliner 1900} but i am seriously looking at sport tourer
Thanks guys. Always some of the best shoot-outs and reviews. I envy and appreciate your work!
I own the Yamaha FJR1300 its literally rocket fast, with bags.And all the bells and whiskles
I own a 2014 concours. Ive been running it for 2 years. The brake issue is true, they did fix it and I've learned to ride around it. This review is unfairly hard on it though. I really think if you put these on the track, the c14 would still dominate. They are a very good motorcycle. As an owner, there are many more things to praise about the concours. Buy a 2016 or later if you can find them. The fact they did not hold it in high praise for that zx14 variant motor with VVT, is beyond me. 130mph dead stable, 70+ mph corners, cuts like a knife. Gusty wind? No problem. 150hp, 100lb ft and a 6 speed, cmon...
One thing I would like you to add to these is cost of ownership over time. I think the $26K for the Beemer is just the start of an expensive journey.
That might be an understatement :) BMW are best bought new and sold immediately as soon as warranty expires. At least that is what I get from friends and colleagues who own BMW bikes. Some were even forced to buy a second, "just in case" bike, usually a scooter or a small displacement one for getting around town when their main machine is in service for one reason or the other. Most of them own GS though, so I am not sure this 100% applies to the 1600. My FJR's most horrible break down was burnt out lightbulbs that I had to change.
@@iskinmind7020 I disagree, I have a '94 RS for 4 years now, has close to 90K miles and never once broke down on the road. My girl and I do shorter trips like 1-3 hour rides and this thing just keep going. Before this I had a 600cc Yamaha and it felt CHEAP compared to the BMW and had a LOT more problems even it had only 45K miles on it. We have many former Harley guys in our BMW club, they switched because they got jealous that their Harleys frequently sat at to the shop while the BMW guys just kept riding; they tell us on our forum all the time. The reason the BMWs are so expensive is because of quality, reliability and durability. While most bikes are made for 100K as their life the BMWs are made to run for 200K. The only thing I don't like is service charges, they are a LOT for repairs but I am lucky to have a former BMW master mechanic living not far from me, he does everything for half price, and of course best to get a good manual and do any regular maintenance or anything you can yourself. I would not go with anything but a BMW as my next bike.
@@tibork3845 I absolutely do not dispute older BMW reliability. Older models, whether it is bikes or cars, have almost legendary reliability. The same goes for Mercedes cars. It all went sideways for them sometime during early 2000s. Whereas before their vehicles were designed by actual mechanics with hands on experience of maintenance issues, now it all comes out of a AutoCAD drawing board as a "theoretically working, super optimized solution". This over optimization and tech cramming became an obsession for them, and many real life problems were ignored. As an example, for the love of everything, I can not find a reason to make a simple oil change be as difficult as it is on larger GS models. Even to get to an oil filter you need unique and highly specialized tools that only BMW use. Sure, a filter can on an FJR increases drag by about 0.0000000001% and shifts weight slightly sideways by the same amount. But you can screw it in and out by hand, and that is a HUGE advantage for day to day living with your machine.
@@iskinmind7020 I didn't know these, thanks for the info. I'll make sure my next bike will remain and older year. I do agree even the '94 is kind of complex to work on (compared to my former Yamaha) and a longer process to learn and I heard the RT is even worse because of the additional panels and gadgets. And of course the problem with newer vehicles - be it a bike or car - is everything run by computers so you can't just fix anything on it at home. I can see the point on the CAD design's drawbacks. I do like the look of the GS but I don't think I would get one only because it's just not my style. I actually first was looking at the FJR and sat on one twice but felt was too heavy for me and one of the other important reasons I picked the BMW, the low center of gravity with the boxer engine. It's surprisingly easy to pickup and balance almost like a mid-sized bike - just watch the turns with the cylinder heads.
@@tibork3845 If you like BMW style of ergonomics and ride, there is a very good BMW sport touring model that basically has all the BMW advantages while having next to no drawbacks. Aside from age that is. If you get a chance, try out the BMW 1150 RT. These are early 2000s, with the same engine that the GS used previously. They are very cheap now, thanks to being obscured by the more popular GS series. This is perhaps the pinnacle of BMW reliability, while being a very good touring bike overall. In fact, I was considering one of these myself, but had problems finding one in a good condition - it is not a very motorcycle friendly environment up here due to colder climate and thus, a very small market and poor selection. If you get a '03 to '05 year model, they basically have all the minor quirks sorted out (they never had major ones to my knowledge). Much easier to handle than an FJR due to lower center of gravity of the boxer engine. It is even easier than a GS, because the engine is even lower due to short suspension. It is a road oriented bike only though. But for a 500km+ ride, it is hard to find a better machine, considering the price point. My choice of the FJR had more to do with bikes and parts availability in the region. Well, and the fact that it can do 130mph+ 2up with loaded saddlebags, trunk and a raised screen, but that was one time only and cops do not need to know about it. :)
I own the Kawasaki and noticed that having the correct tire pressure is VERY important. I previously owned the FJR and it put my right hand to sleep in 20 minutes.
i love how he says each model and a price then the bmw they talk about the motor and features then the price. building that one up. lol
Thank´s from Germany for your good work!
The BMW looks like an angry owl.
You guys that keep on saying where's the Goldwing: This is a Sport Touring albeit (heavy weight) ST shoot out. The Goldwing is a full fledge Touring bike not a true sport tourer. Some call it a cruiser but that is not it's true class. Sport tourers are a mixture sportbike and touring bikes.
awesome detailed review guys!
Dear MCN,
Get these mics.
Who needs am fm radio and stupid things like that ?
it's way too complex and expensive.
They should keep selling bikes,not cars without roof.
I've had 2 Goldwings and now have a BMW 1600 GTL. The GTL is great on corners and feels super light and no dip in braking like the wing. But the stereo on the GW was better and the BMW is faster. The comfort of the rides are similar. Fixing to take the BMW for long ride so will for sure tell if there is a difference. I do know the 7 gal tank on the BMW is great compared to the wing and I can pass some gas stations up. Getting 47 mpg on the BMW to 42 on the wing.
I really love to watch your video's,especially now that I want to switch from my Busa to something a bit more relaxed for long distance two up riding.
The review's are fantastic and very informative,BUT (lol),one thing missing for me,which is important,is no review's of life from the pillion seat. I'd like to hear from a passenger as to how comfortable (or not) the bike's are after a good few miles out on the road?
If you do any further review's,take a pillion along!!!
Brett
Blasting a K1600 from a redlight is like injecting pure adrenalin into your veins.
Very nice. I wonder if there is a shootout with the 2015 kawasaki.
Informative and useful information. Good vid.
Pretty good vid. I ride a Gen II YamaMama FJR. Awesome machine i got for 5k a year ago. Only complaint is the stock windshield puts the turbulence on my helmet, thinking of adding a lip, and the clutch is a bit heavy.
+Larry Watkins Here in Holland, quite near Amsterdam, is the company of former (almost... :-) ) 125 cc roadracing worldchampion Jos Schurgers of Jos Schurgers Design. At his company I bought my self a tailormade windshield for my own 2001 Yamaha FJR1300. It fits like a glove; no turbulence whatsoever around my helmet anymore! Now the soothing buzzing of the beautiful engine gives me the constant impression of travelling in a real Boeing 747 Jumbojet! Fantastic! Ton Kool, Amsterdam.
"I ride a Gen II YamaMama FJR . . . "
I have a 2013 (Series III). I REALLY wanted cruise control. Right after my first medium long trip, I bought a Yamaha Touring Windshield.
The clutch IS a little heavy, but for a little over $300 or so you can fit the 2016 clutch parts.
Fjr
Your videos have become very well done. Well done indeed.
They need to review these bikes with out their badges.
Exactly. It seems like every shootout is a BMW commercial
Love my 2012 Connie 14. Yes, it may be a little less refined than the others but it's still a great value. Paid $16,200 out the door in 2013 with a 7 year extended warranty. I'll ride it until the warranty is up or it's paid off and look at what's available at that time. The R 1200 RT is a dream to ride as well. Only 3 tenths of a second slower in the quarter mile than the K1600 GT, but too pricey as well.
AGREE, MINE IS A 2011, AND EVEN THOUGH IT LACKS SOME OF THE BELLS AND WHISTLES FROM THE OTHER BIKES IT IS STILL A BUDGET FRIENDLY MOTORCYCLE WITH PLENTY OF PUNCH, HOPEFULLY KAWASAKI WILL IMPROVE ON THE CONNIE IN THE FUTURE WITH SOME OTHER FEATURES SO IT CAN COMPETE WITH YAMAHA.
Yup (1200 RT too pricey, the dealer near me has one at $22,900!)...
Spend $400 dollars on the Connie, reflashed ecu for super smooth throttle and power then change back tire to 55 series and you will out accelerate and corner step for step with Yamaha.
Ebelt, so you're going to wait until you finally don't have a bike payment then you're going to go back in and pay a shitload in fees, get bitchslapped on the trade-in value, then start financing all over again? How about instead you enjoy the bike you finally own then put what would be your new bike monthly payment, plus fees, plus tax, plus whatever other hidden BS the stealership comes up with and put that money in the bank !! You're welcome.
When I heard the guy in the video talking about a flat 190/50 at the rear of the C14 I immediately thought of the 55 height tire. It worked very well on my ZZR1400.
The fjr is an awesome bike
I like the look of the FJR myself, what is it that you like about it?
NZsarge1 my dad has a 2014 one and im riding dr650 it's just about to keep up with him in the corners
Dylan Castle im impossible to keep up with him
2024 and I think my Trophy SE is just about perfect for everything it does.
The BMW excludes itself from the rest because of its price. It would make more sense to substitute the Honda ST1300 for it.
"Here it is 2016 and Honda hasn't updated the bike since 2012."
Honda hasn't PRODUCED the ST1300 since 2012. And Honda has ceded the sports touring market to others.
Eagle1 二宮
I own Honda ST1300 2012 and this is last years of made. No more ST for now.
I agree with you, but I bought last from Mohicans (2012 Honda ST1300). :)
@@johnc8910 the vfr is nice
Thank You Very Nice Review ...
I'm sticking to the Concours 14. ! 👍 🇺🇸
usaf vet i kind of go for that too. But other than style (fjr beats a in looks) what would you do if you are 6.2, overweight 278lbs and over 55 years old?
@@Tax2Me
I'm over 55. Lol. Weigh 200lbs. 5' 10". My 2017 is Awesome.
my friends FJ won't run with my Connie. Lol
I just got off a 2016 ZX14R SE. ! That thing was a Death Machine on wheels. But I had fun with her. Woohoo
@@Tax2Me ...I am really interested to know what you would do. That sounds like me, overweight 6'2 and in my late 50's. I am looking to get my first bike with a fairing. Been riding for 40 years this July and have come to the conclusion I need a bit of comfort in the older age:) At the moment I ride a Triumph Rocket, which I will never sell and would like to get myself something along the lines of this type of bike to go with it:)
cheers
Top box, heated seats, and heated grips are all extra cost options on the Trophy SE, unless Triumph was including them as part of a sales promotion as they commonly do. Great bike, but I might still choose the FJR.
I did. The FJR has cruise control, traction control, and two riding modes. It has heated grips. Top box is extra. The only way to get a heated seat is to install a custom seat.
Great vid good job but I was missing the ST 1300 Pan European
You should of added the honda goldwing
All are great bikes, im on my 2nd Concours, they are durable and comfortable, i ran my first one hard, put 70,000 on it & still ran good...not too awful expensive either, obviously they still dont have factory cruise control on them, but in all honesty, i very seldom ever felt the need to use cruise, but each to their own i suppose, they are still worth having, very fun bikes...
I would be all over a Connie if it only had cruise. I've had an k1200LT and a R12RT but I really long for that 1400. But from this comparo, I'm leaning to the Trophy. Had an ST1050 Sprint a few years back and it was an amazing and unique machine. That one was way more sport than touring though.
Well hell just change the tires on the Concourse. I have a feeling that with just a minimal $ input and you'd get the best bike. Bad linked breaking? Hmm
It’s actually excellent linked breaking. I have a 19 Connie, and maybe they changed something, but take one on a ride and try to notice the link.
I have ridden the Bmw 1600 Gt and GTL, and Yamaha 1300 a + es models and the Kawasaki Concours extensively. First the BMW 1600 has a fantastic engine that is very smooth, but there throttle response takes getting used to and the radio and wind protection I would have rate as low. Neither give great satisfaction and leave you wanting more. If the name does something for you then go with BMW. Ok now the Yamaha, which has a really linear and strong acceleration which feels more like gearing than horsepower. The older models (ie. 2013) have really bad seats, no really bad seats, you add in cramped knees for anyone taller than 5' 9" and find yourself fatigued much more than any of the others. Newer Yamaha ES model has a nice electronic ride adjustment on the fly but it feels really vague at best and the seat is better, however the body molding feels cheap and pasted on. Kawasaki feels a bit heavier so you can not flick this bike back and forth as fast as the Yamaha but it does feel more stable than the others. Bmw will dip into the corner faster but it feels like it will fall over unless you right the bike at the end of a corner. The yamaha feels jittery on bumps or any curve that is not perfectly smooth. I would say if long range riding is your thing then Yamaha is the last pick. If cornering is your thing then Kawasaki is the last pick unless you change the back tire (skinny 55 series) which many do, then it becomes a tie for 1st. Kawasaki is about $2000 to $12000 cheaper than the other bikes, which leaves you enough money left over to buy one of the best suspensions system on the market, that will allow you to smoke all the other bikes. I wish I could say more about the Triumph but I have not spent enough time on this machine, but it feels under-powered to me.
So are you saying kawasaki best for long rides
FJR1300 Wins it!
Regardless of make or model WHY DONT WE GET A BETTER COLOUR CHOICE FROM THE MANUFACTURERS
Richard Short I’ve been wondering this for a solid 10 years plus all four Honda Yamaha BMW Kawasaki all have these basic color schemes can they get a little more creative?!?!?!
Awesome review for some incredible bikes. Good time to be a ST rider with $$$$
Miss my 2005 triumph sprint st 1050 triple. 36k miles never had a problem
Miss mine too, and the sound of that triple!
I've owned a current model Concours and had my own particular set off issues with it but it did manage to get under my skin just not as much as my current bike (ZX14), if it'd had a slightly less pinched bend to the bars and a better seat I might still own it and going to a 55 series rear tyre makes decent improvement to the way it corners with no real drawbacks. I will end up back on a sport tourer in the future and I'll be looking at the Yamaha very hard and the Concours too. The BMW is nice but the price is beyond rediculous and has a lot of superfluous stuff you just don't need in a country like mine.
i own a 2015 c14. kawi fixed the issue with the linked system and changed some seals in the neck to loosen up the steering. With those issues being fixed the 2015 model is a beast, and oh sooo fast! haven't lost to anything yet! gs750 z1000 fjr1300 zx6r i beat them all! kawi for the win!
The C-14, because of the RAM induction and premium gas, is substantially quicker than the FJR, but according to Motorcycle Consumer News (NO advertising), it is only about 3 mph faster than the FJR (around 153.+ as opposed to 150.+). It just feels a lot faster.
Of the four, the FJR is mechanically simple enough that a handy rider can do all of his own routine maintenance. And the FJR runs quite well on the 85 octane gas you find out West when you get off the beaten path. And I love the cruise control.
Triumph and BMW, compared to the other two, have comparatively poor dealer networks in the USA.
The Triumph Trophy has what I call quality control problems, primarily with the electronics.
The BMW R1200RS was on my short list in 2014, but if I had bought it, it would have spent about 6 months in the shop. The model was recalled because of problems with the rear shock. The reviewers glossed over that, but that is why they didn't have one in the group test.
trolling today John? the c14 doesn't "feel" faster because of 3 mph in top speed. it "is" faster because my buddy and i have raced more than ten times, the fj is not as fast as the c14. There arent any reviews on the c14 for 2015-16. Kawi fixed the issues that these guys said were a problem. I "personally" think if you want a touring bike that still gives you the sport bike smile buy the kawi!
charles mccarty Agreed. The C-14 IS faster than an FJR, just not THAT much faster. The RAM air, while not adding much to the top speed, does make it appreciably quicker.
Remember, these numbers are not anecdotal. They were generated by professional riders working for a magazine that carries no advertising.
Great comparison guys. Very informative. After the review I'd go with the k1600gt
The question is: "When are you going to spent YOUR money on a K1600?"
Kawasaki is awesome, I feel the need to tighten the Kawi to slow the steering, the brakes are no big deal
Nice review!
good review
After 2 FJR's I finally went with the K1600GT......Yes, everytime i get on it I get the OMG factor.
+Jesse C Ah see wot you mean... :-). Having had the opportunity to ride the big Beemer here in Holland as well. Alas... I hear some alarming stories about the quality of the electrical systems on this big Beemer... Also, the Dutch police, who ride quite a lot of B.M.W. sixes, complain about the reliabilty when the bike has to run idle for too long; then they would tend to break down due to overheating. Not typical for B.M.W.'s?
I have 60,000 miles on it now. Ridden in 115 degree weather haven't had any issues with overheating.....knock on wood.
The electrical has been solid without any problems as well.
After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
Bring My Wallet
The complaint about the Kawasaki's handling has been addressed in previous reviews of earlier models. It's a simple tire swap out to Pirelli Angel GT tires and the bike's front end turns in like a true sports bike. So the complaint about the Kaw's handling is a moot point. Plus, they can actually be had for $13,000 if you're a savvy buyer.
Great shoot-out. I'd like to see motorcycle.com do more sport-touring features and less about all the damned sportbikes and cruisers already. Instead of going to those bikes because they're the most popular, how about educating people that sport-tourers can be like sportbikes without the pain? (esp. for the majority of us who can't/won't ride that hard on public streets and who don't do track days or racing)
Still loving my 2000 Honda ST1100aY .. ;-)
I have had the Kawasaki concours 2015 and i just purchased a BMW K 1600 GTL. What a significant difference in handling and options I would spend a little more and get the BMW
After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
Bring My Wallet
Top speed is a joke too!
I've watched this many times due to myself owning a C14, perfect bike for me.
Funny part, each time watching, I get mad at their dissing my bike!
I have 30k on the Concours. Bought it new. Stock tires are garbage. Put on Pilot road fives and the guys on 600cc super sports better know what they’re doing if they are going to keep up in the twisties!
Im 6"1 390 im new to riding motorcycle what would be the best touring bike to start with I seen the honda vfr800
$26k may be a large sum to pay for the GT. But I just lucked up on a 2014 K1600 GT with 8,400 miles on it for $13,999. It’s like new and almost $10k less. Look around and find a slightly pre owned one.
BMW engine sounds awesome
Fjr for me, the sportiest of all.
The sportiest is the Concours, by far, I had both.
I was looking forward to the new Trophy coming to market and was so disappointed by the looks. It looks like a giant scooter from the front! Bulbous! And you forgot to mention how dam fast the Connie is. I own a Stratoliner and considered the FJ but it looked like the same bike of 15 years ago until the most recent update in 2014. And even that isn't to much of a change. If you test the BMW RT do so against the 2014 Guzzi Norge, which should be included in the shoot out.
completely agree about the Trophy...why hasnt triumph made a 1050 Daytona, or luggage worth a crap for the SpeedTriple? Its like Triumph isnt paying attention to customers anymore
I completely with the way it looks, it looks really out dated. I think it is the most bike for your money, it is well equipped and the has the sweet triple.
"It looks like a giant scooter from the front! Bulbous!"
That "bulbous" (great description btw) look gives you great wind and weather protection.
i still bought a KAWASAKI CONCOURS 14 in 2017 and never regret it. best bike i ever bought. so dont just listen to these experts. Ride these bikes on demo ride and decide for yourself. And by the way dont have issue with the breaking system work just fine with me its very flickable on twisty road so yeah test it before you buy it.
All superb motorcycles. However, about having to use an extra step to manually lock or unlock the bags? *"Oh Wah!"*
I noticed that you guys are riding in Angeles Crest Hwy often. I ride there every weekend. I have 06 FJR and love the road.
I'm no serious sport rider and never was able to drag foot peg on my FJR yet.
I let those sport bike riders pass me. My question is can any of these touring bikes keep up with sport bikes with good skills in twisties?
I only wish you all would do a shootout on the 2014 Honda CTX 1300. Are you afraid of doing a shootout with the 2014 Honda CTX 1300, Motorcycle.com?
The CTX1300 was discontinued after only one model year. I wonder why?
+Barack Blows I think that sucks, but I think it was because of the poor marketing, and the price was too high at the time. However, I think that it was not given a good review by people who, like these people, underestimated it.
The detuned (about 30%) engine didn't help.
John Casteel How is it detuned? How do you know this? Show me some facts that can be verified?
Compare the engine specs for both the ST1300 and the CTX1300. The CTX develops about 30% less horspower at a lower rpm.
A few minutes with google will show you.
I have a 2010 Yamaha FJR 1300 I bought new in 2011, and I love it. I just wish that it had a sixth gear and electronic cruise control.
My previous bike was a Harley Davidson Sportster. (I live in Colorado where there are a lot of canyons to carve, and the Harley was just too boring.)
Zachary Zarko why do you need a 6th gear? you would have to downshift on every hill? depends on where you live though
On the highway at 75 mph, it seems like it's "wound up" with the revs around 3k. 6th gear would make it nicer on long interstate rides.
I wanted another gear as well. 👍🏼
+Zachary Zarko While I don't have many miles on it yet, I do like the 6th gear on my 2016 FJR1300A. I can't tell you how many times I tried shifting into that phantom 6th gear on my 2008.
I am always trying to shift into phantom 6th on my GPz750, but I have never tried to find 6th on my 2013 FJR. I have, however, forgotten to shift out of 4th a few times.
Does anyone have a comment about the speed wobble on the ST which is common for ST1300
Oh look, another BMW commercial!!
I own a low mileage '10 Connie and traded in an '11 Busa for it. I did so because I wanted the speed and comfort. The BMW is a great bike, but in terms of value I'd prefer the Connie. That sort of money should only be spent on a car.
What happened to the Honda ST 1100?
If Kawasaki fixed the steering, brakes and added cruise it would be a no brainer. As they sit now, I think the Yamaha would be my choice.
+GAML I'm sure it's a great bike, but price puts it out of my range. I've seen some real low prices on FJR1300's in the Winter up North here.
@Eagle1 After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
Bring My Wallet
Top speed is a joke too!
Now I love this channel but come on guys; these behemoths are not "Sports Tourers". Sports Tourers have lower bars and the pegs further back as in VFR800, Z1000SX, K1300S... Or, in my case S1000RR.
And the luggage is called panniers, not hard sidebags!
Just bought a 2014 Trophy from a Texas dealer for $7950 and only 8,000 miles on it. Did I get a good deal?
I had an FJR. I road my cousins concours for a couple days. I just sold my FJR and now shopping for a Connie! The Kawi's an easy almost electric bike to be on. I don't trust a triumph and spent big money on the Harley I have so I don't wanna get a BMW
I like the concourse and fjr the best. BMW doesn’t look to shabby either. I almost bought a used one for 1000$ bc it needed something minor and owner didn’t know that. But I’m not that type of guy to do that
Concours $16,200, FJR $16,900, Triumph $19,000, BMW $26,200, the Triumph and BMW are at a different level. They are more touring than sport touring. I have friends with bmw that ever time we talk about the motorcycle they have had to do preventative maintenance. I have 2008 concours and never had to to any maintenance other than oil changes, air filters, shaft drive oil, and a valve check and there was no adjustment needed. The bike has now 65,000km (2021). I just purchase a new 2022 last year of the concours production. vs FJR which would be $5000 more for things that I really don’t need. (Electronic suspension, and cruise control). Nice things to have but for me did not justify the $5000 difference. And now, I have 2x concours. The first gen of the 1400 and the last gen. I love these motorcycles!
I bought my Concours new in 2009, I've rode it all over the U.S. I haven't had any mechanical issues with it, the stock seat is crap. It pushes you into the tank, get a decent aftermarket seat if you're planning on long rides. The bike is top heavy with a full tank of gas, i really enjoy riding it.
Thanks for sharing, but it seemed like a lot of Kawasaki hate was evident.The Concours 14 is an excellent bike! You guys didn't seem to give it a fair shot. But again, those were your opinions. Thanks!
So right Nob, they are doing the same thing to Kawasaki that they did to Honda with the ST1300. They biotched about the lack of this and that on the ST a couple of years back when in fact, in their own admission, they would choose the ST over all the others if it only had _____ &________. Now they are picking on Kawasaki.
Trust me, you ride an ST or a Connie and you would throw rocks at the FJR. The BMW is too expensive at purchase and waaaay to expensive to maintain. The Triumph is sweet though.
Exactly!
I agree, to much hate for Kawasaki, they must be on BMW payroll
Hey guys, hate to break up the C14 lovefest (I do think the bike is cool, it's a giant ninja!) in both reviews they said it handled the worst. In the first video, they said it felt the heaviest.
I love the Kawasaki concourse beautiful bike powerful and reasonably priced
Yamaha FJR for the win (less maintenance expense & faster).
Too bad the R1200RT missed out on this test, it still more or less defines the class, and that is why the Trophy is such an obvious, uh, tribute to the RT. Sadly, the Trophy SE is plagued with reliability issues and it's electronics are second class compared to BMW. The Trophy SE is awesome to ride but I don't trust it enough to own one, and I've had two Triumphs and loved them. The FJR1300 gets my vote for withstanding the test of time being proven bombproof, a very capable tourer, and fun to ride. It's the one I'm going to buy.
Pretty sure the top case on the Triumph is sold as an accessory, not standard equipment.
D Ebelt is right; it's $819 extra for the top case with the required lid cover kit and sliding carriage base.
Regardless of price, I'd say
1: FJR1300
2: Trophy
3: K1600GT
4: Concours....
....but factoring in the price.
1: FJR1300
2: Trophy
3:
4: Concours/K1600GT
And don't forget how much that BMW is going to hurt when it comes to servicing.
no goldwing ?
+theklrdude oo The Goldwing is not considered a SPORT touring bike.
it shure is a heavyweight though !
As a second bike I'd get the FJR. Fun bike price is great for what you get. The triumph is still to new for me, and the BMW is way to pricy. Let's not forget consumer reports gave BMW a worse rating than Harley for reliability. The concours just doesn't look good to me. The bags seem like an after thought and don't flow with the bike.
FJR angles are too tight for my frame, VFR1200X much more comfortable for long rides.
What about the Honda VFR1200?
I have one of those. The big VFR completely defies categorization. There is no way a person can call it a Sport Tourer. Its gas tank is too small. It doesn't come standard with bags or a trunk. It doesn't have cruise control. It doesn't come with heated grips (though it is an option). It has too basic electronic gadgety.
What it DOES have is what I think is the greatest engine Honda has ever developed. An unbelievably broad powerband with torque wherever you need it. With the Guhl reflash it is far better yet. So is it a sport bike? Well, no. The Connie and FJR can't hold a candle to it performance wise. It'll run with liter bikes, but with its heft it will never compete with them in the twisties. I will NEVER get rid of my VFR, but even after having said that I think that Honda kind of blew it. It is SO GOOD in some ways, but those strengths were completely lost with most people.
BMW for life!!!
After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
Bring My Wallet
for the price off the BMW, Id rather get a Multistrada AND a used Monster.
2:40 song pls?