This Will Change Your Perspective About Honda st1300 Pan European
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- THe Honda st1300 is perhaps one of the most undervalued sport touring machines out there. Imagine for 2-3k you can get one of these with about 50k miles. And that is a baby for a Pan european. THis bike costs almost as much as a used Ninja 250 and you get 1300cc of power, a shaft drive and day long comfort.
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I work for a police department and I am lucky enough to be assigned the only ST1300 in our force. I absolutely love this bike. It is one of the best bikes I have ever ridden and I feel too confident on it. I really wish Honda continued making these because I would love to buy one for myself.
Hey there Terrence. What other bikes do you have in the department?
@@VehicleHunter We also have two Kawasaki Vulcans and a hand full of Kawasaki KZ1000s but they are going away.
No BMw
Put your name down to buy it when it’s replaced.
That has to be a great experience & very rewarding. It’s sad that corporate media & some elites led the charge against police a couple of years ago. As a rider myself it’s my opinion that a lot lot of ppl picked up horrible driving habits during the Covid shutdowns. Some drivers in my area are now exceeding 70 mph on roads inside the city where the speed limit is 35-45. There’s now fatal car accidents inside the city from ppl driving ridiculous speeds & many times it’s the innocent drivers or their passengers who get killed. A few months ago there was a crash where a man driving approximately 90-94 mph in a sport utility vehicle made in the mid 1990s practically crashed through a vehicle sitting at a red light killing the driver, a grandmother, along with her 4 year old grandson. Thank you for what you do. We all know the difference between a driver who made a small mistake & one who drives like he or she doesn’t care if they hurt innocent ppl. I hope that your PD supports you in every way in doing whatever it takes to make drivers think about the risks to other ppl when they’re behind the wheel. 👍
Great review. What a great practical and adult assessment! The bike is so good and your review so authentic and true, this has moved me to write my first TH-cam comment!!
My wife and I used ST’s on a daily all year round basis for 20+ years and are totally smitten by them.
Agree fully with your comments. We have had six ST’s and I have ridden well over half a million miles on them with utter reliability. Until you really use one, you won’t get it. Our first was a 1990 ST1100, I agree with your comments about deceptive speed. Clean licence for 27 yrs at the time but in 9 mths I had collected 9 points on my licence without riding fast or carelessly. 30mph was a problem. Next two were 1100’s too and just as brilliant. But using all year round (including in snow on 60 mile late journeys home from work) the radiator steelwork and silencers could suffer nasty corrosion. The other 300,000+ miles on ST1300’s didn’t have the same corrosion problems at all.
I never got less than 52mpg, even two up and loaded with luggage. 330-350 miles on a full tank was always possible; this fuel range was so so important to minimise stopping so I could get home quickly after a long day.
No other bike has such brilliant luggage carrying design; the new Goldwing (we have one) doesn’t come remotely close, despite being touted as a tourer.
A significant issue not mentioned in the video is the incredible crash protection given to the rider and pillion by the saddle bags and crash protection bars and that peerless transverse V4 engine. I twice experienced being hit full on the side by cars coming out of side turnings: one a Jaguar XJ6 driver who actually stopped at his stop sign, looked at me as I approached along the main road & then pulled out straight into my side. The 2nd time in London when a car raced out of a side turning again straight into the side of the bike. On both occasions the side pannier absorbed the impact and shattered with me being thrown up the road but completely uninjured. The first one (ST1100) was a write off. This experience led me to never riding the bike without the panniers fitted.
We still have our last ST1300 bought new in 2007 with a mere 120,000+ miles on it. We retired 12 yrs ago and the old girl is a keeper. It sits in the garage with our other machinery. It has taken us on an amazing 3500 miles European tour, from UK down through rural France ( no motorways!) to Monaco to watch F1 GP, then across Italy to do the Stelvio Pass on the first day of opening after the winter; snow banks everywhere - utterly amazing road; spectacular, then the Furka Pass; also brilliant and back home via Germany. The bike was breathtaking faultless.
Riding the ST1300 can be all things to you; Real world fast, utterly relaxed long legged long distance super tourer, long distance real comfort for rider and pillion, reliable daily commute. Getting on the ST early in the morning for the 90mile ride to work and back on again for the 90 miles to come home after a long day was like getting into a favourite old comfy chair and I always knew it would get us wherever we were going. I never get tired of the ride.
Thanks for taking us down memory lane.
thank you for your elaboration!.
Great to hear from you. I never thought about crash protection but it is true. I've had to pick up my last st1300 from the ground and it was relatively unscratched due to the panniers the front crash bars taking the damage. Ify ou pick up this bike from the ground is also not very bad because it does not lean all the way parallel to the ground. Thanks again and Enjoy your st1300
@@motardsquid Thank you for reading our comments which were too long!
Just to add, we bought a new Goldwing last year intending to drive around the Uk coast on it. Yes it has lots of electronic gizmos and is comfy on a good open road, but it’s not a patch on the ST1300 for luggage capacity and versatility (despite what you may read the Goldwing is extremely poor and hugely limiting in this respect (can’t even stand an A4 file or a bottle of milk up in the panniers which are far smaller than the Pan and a ridiculous shape taboos. The Pan is also far more fleet of foot than the Goldwing and has a 50% better tank range. Written from experience of currently owning both. The ST1300 remains a truly great bike in our experience.
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Great information, thanks. I am in Falmouth UK, and travelling nearly 400 miles next week to pick up my first ST1300. Can't wait for the ride home!
You will get to love it!, it’s a genuine all year round bike. It may seem heavy when you first get on but the weight completely dissolves the moment your feet leave the ground. Got to get ours back on the road!@@philipriggall5271
Good honest review. I do have an 03. It's in perfect shape with 150,000 km on it. I have had it up to 124 m/hr without any issues, but I did refill the rear shock reservoir and then stiffened up the shocks. Most ST riders don't realize that the rear shock reservior needs to be refilled occasionally; they think they have stiffened up the rear suspension but they are just pushing air into the shock. After refilling mine and stiffening up the rear, the handling improved incredibly .... the bike leaned way easier and took virtually no counter steering to move it around. I would guess that between the Goldwing and ST1300, they likely hold top spot for long lived bikes. You see both for sale with 300,000 km on them; and still running just fine. I agree with you, the ST1300 is one of the best "forever" cheap bikes.
We used them as our duty bikes in our department from 05-2016. AWSOME bikes. No wobble at all and we ran them at 120 mph fully loaded all the time. Super stable. They governed ours at 120. Super reliable and comfortable. You just have to get bar risers. Had 150k miles of hard riding 👍
I got a 2003 ST1300 used with 40k and traded it in for a 2009 model that was new. Loved the red color on the 09. I eventually put 89K on that second bike. I always carried a huge GIVI trunk on back and I never saw the high speed wobble on either. One thing I did with both bikes was to take it in every 2nd year for a complete fluid replacement. I also replaced the Honda rear shock with a Progressive unit.
This platform, especially with the fairing deflection kit, was really good at rain and wind protection. The saddle bags are huge making it a great tourer. Care should be taken at stop signs. A hurried takeoff will give you a wheelie. I was surprised more than once.
Eventually I aged out of the bike at 70 and traded it for a 2015 Goldwing 40th Anniversary Ediition. The ST1300 was just a little too heavy for my shortish, aged legs. My Goldwing has been on the road since 2016 and at 83k, just keeps getting better.
630 vs 900+ pounds. does the wing balance better?
@@motoholyness8795 it Carrie’s it’s weight low. In the 2018+ bikes are also shorter. The ST1300 has a v4 and the gas tank you see, the part that isn’t hollow Carrie’s about 1 1/2 gallon at the top. The GW has a tank that’s mostly just a bit above the engine. It’s 5.4 gallons is all lower than the 7 gallon tank on the St1300. You can feel the difference immediately.
Had the wheelie experience a couple of times 1st - 2nd can be a bit too exciting!
Defo familiar with the front end getting light. You get to enjoy it! 😂
I had a St 1100 for several years, then looked at a 1300, but liked the 1100 better, so i bought another one, and its got a lot less miles and runs fantastic. I like the fairing on the 1300 better in regards to looks, and i would like to have the 1300 power, but its not necessary, and i say that after owning a '85 Honda Sabre V-65 1100 cc V-4 for many years and kept it even after i bought my first ST. I do miss the sheer fun factor of the Sabre power, but my ST is so smooth with wind protection, so its still a win. Love all my Honda brethren though, and been riding a Honda since the '70's :)
Own this bike and love it. Have 2012 with 120,000 km on it. No any isues. Works very well and need only regular maintience and tire changing. Well keep it forever. Thank you for awesome review. Agree with all what you said. Ride safe, bud.
I'm really liking this bike. Thanks for sharing with us.
I've had my 07 now for about 12 years. The 100 to 140 mph range is rock solid, I've never felt any instability at all, it just hunkers down and hugs the road. I've owned a lot of bikes but this one is hands down my favorite and thus can't bring myself to sell it.
Is this bike fuel injection or carbs🤔thanks 🏍️🏍️
Fuel injection.
@@savagejabbit5929 It's fuel injection and pretty reliable one. Carbs are on the older ST1100 model.
How many clicks in are you running on the preload adjuster on your 07?
This is a thorough review. Great information. Thanks.
Nice explanations, your enthusiasm for the bike shows.
I have a 2003, I've owned it since 2006, love it. No issues.
I bought my '07 ST 1300 this past August and put 2k miles on it in 6 weeks riding locally. I put another 140 on it today, New Years' Day, on a Polar Bear ride. It was a dry day out here in Oregon. I love my ST and my '98 VFR.
Hey guy, do you still have your ST? I'm thinking of selliing my R1200 GSA and buying one of these. I lke the lower height, the gas mileage and the overall comfort. Am I insane to swap over? Steve in Newport
03 st and 99 vfr here
I bought a 2006 two years ago with under 6000 miles on it. Love this bike. Tour on it all the time.
I just bought a 2010 st1300. My old bike (for 8 years) was a Suzuki Vstrom 650. Believe it or not, the ST handles significantly better at low speeds, despite its mass. It's a mystery to me, but I truly enjoy it!
I have a versys 650 and bought one of these as well and felt exactly the same! Such a nice riding bike
Interesting. I’ve owned the VStrom 650 for a week now, first bike for 35 years and first non dirt-bike, so I have no reference points at all for such a bike. But I do not find low speed on it easy. I wouldn’t say difficult either. At any other legal speed, above a fast walk is it lovely however. I don’t want to own a bike bike but due to your comments I am curious so would have a ride if the opportunity arose.
I have an ‘06 ST1300 and recently acquired an ‘09 V-Strom 1000 and I have to agree. The maneuverability even from the ST1100(which I also owned) to the ST1300 is significant.
but when it stops, BOOM, the weight is crushing and heart testing
@@michaelfraser5723 Indeed. One has to be ready for that and practice good progressive braking!
Very good review ! Thank you very much for this review, it helps me a lot !
Awesome video. I had one a couple of years newer than yours and like an idiot I traded it for something else. Last year I tried to find another one for months with no luck. Eventually I found a 2007 fjr 1300. What you said about the bags works for me because I don't use them I have another motorcycle for that. Both the st and fjr are forever bikes and hard to find at least in my area.
Good review. I am going to by a ST and this video help me a lot to make a decision.
I’m in a bike group in New Zealand. At one point five of us were riding pans, four still do. These are a rock solid all around touring bike. Missing cruise control, heated grips and USB power but at the price point nothing you can’t easily add.
One of the best and most reliable bikes out there
Might see u around just got st 1100 myself pn based
I wish Honda would bring back the ST. I own a 2005 and absolutely love it.
Had my 04 for 14 years and it was a very good bike. I would have bought another, but Honda discontinued. This was a right sized tourer for many people. Honda, I think hoped to push many into the Gold Wing but those buyers probably moved to a Yamaha FJR, BMW RT or similar. In the end the Gold Wing lost storage space and weight to make it more manageable and was priced considerably more than the ST. Granted it offered far more options. There was only one thing I wish the ST had and that was factory cruise control. It will certainly probably go down as the greatest most reliable bike I ever owned!
Cruise control is something i always hear it needs about the ST. Very true. Forgot to mention this one has a throttle locker type of cruise control. My old st1100 had aftermarket electric cruise
Great review! I want one of these, probably will buy one, own a 2009 HD Road Glide with built 107" engine, a 2001 Pan America S but this bike is what I'd ride from Dec. to March!
I'm in Southern MD now but used to live in Germantown so that area is familiar to me. Thanks for the review!!
For ~$4.5k you willget a phenomenal motorcycle. It really is a power house.
You put a lot of effort in this video all the editing to get that power on sound is what we love of course. It's a great bike. Some of the nicest things are the air cocoon keeps you warm the downside is the hot air in the summer but in colder weather its toasty. Linear power is predictable and you can chug it but still roll power on gently and it will get back to the torque making this an easy machine to ride. The windscreen is adjustable, big plus. The saddlebags are bigger than the 2018+ Goldwings! Styling is still modern and beautiful. Reliability.
Wow absolutely awesome and amazing motorcycle. Nice one vidz my friend. Keep it up and more vidz to come. RIDE SAFE ALWAYS 🙏😊👊🤙❤️
I just love my Honda ST1300 ABS 2004. Very fast and excellent for long trips.
Had a 2005 for a couple of years. Only thing I wasn’t a fan of was an excessive heat issue, especially above 85 degrees. It’s not as refined as some of todays bikes but still a good motorcycle.
Excellent review I should have gotten this bike but in Ontario the insurance is significantly higher cost than my Bandit 1250.
I will comment about cornering. This bike is great at cornering. If you’re doing technical work you can drop a gear and really lean over. Hang over the seat and you can get aggressive as you want from a sports bike standpoint and the weight just melts, you wouldn’t know it is a relatively heavy bike. However if you’e done with twisties, just back off and cruise slower lines. It is incredibly accommodating. Yes it looks slightly dated but remember, it’s a workhorse not a show piece!
Hope they make one of these for those who dont want a too big goldwing.
Had an 1100, now have a 1300. I've never really needed anything more out of a motorcycle.
If only RT1200 could have that reliability. Ergonomics of RT fits me better and weather protection is also better. ST1300 is almost like a monster big scooter...the seat is that low. My knees were hurting badly with ST1300 not that much with ST1100.
Still popular with riders. Lots of agencies did use them, but they discontinued the line. Great review, as I didn't know about that one year transition Bike.
I've got a 2007 ST1300 since new. Now over 162,xxx miles. Always get avg. 44-48 mpg. You must really flog it. My bike has always been stable with no weave. Nice review. The bike was way ahead of it's time. I added aftermarket cruise and love it. The design has stood the test of time for sure.
Thats some crazy miles. Congratulations.
wow you've put car milage.
Lost my '05 in a California Wildfire at 172,000 miles. I was looking forward to seeing what the odometer would do when I hit 200,000... I counted on the same gas mileage you got when I did long rides. On a trip to Alaska via the Yukon from the Napa valley, I put a pair of 2-1/2 gal. jerry cans in the bags, which gave a range of over 500 miles.🤩
Thanks for the video. FYI the 1100 is longer than the 1300, the 1300 being a touch more nimbler and faster. The crash bars protecting the panniers are adapted from the GoldWing. I believe this bike has been modified with LED headlights as well as the turn signal lenses are aftermarket. What will make this an even better bike, is adding a cruise control, this will save you many dollars on performance awards. (McCruise from Australia is the best plug and play unit to accomplish this). I’m told the “RaceTech” suspension transforms the ST 1300 and for that matter the 1100 into a phenomenal handling machine. I will agree it is one of the best value for money and grin on your face performance bikes out there.
You saved me a google search. So they are in Australia. Interesting. Lovely bike but I’d be paranoid about dropping it with all that beautiful bodywork 😬
@@hair2050 The side crash bars do a surprisingly good job of protecting the bodywork as well as the engine
Thanks for your review, I have one for the last 7 years it’s one the early ones 02 model, the last owner fitted the electric screen. I’ve put 60 thousand kilometres trouble free on it since I purchased it, the rear shock needs replacing as I was told it’s not worth servicing it. I’ve always serviced the bike myself every year or 5000 kms. Have been tempted to sell a few times but finding something that will do everything the same or better is hard unless I go for a goldwing. But I love the fuel range 500kms on premium fuel unless I really giving it some berries
Have had the same thought about selling but there’s nothing remotely near it to replace it! Will eventually just add another to the stable since I’d like to have another toy!
I had the ST 1100, words cannot describe the wonderful feeling of riding it. I had to give it up because I was doing 138 mph too often and valued my licence more, I do miss that bike, just one thing, when you stop, a lean either way of more than two degrees saw the bike on it's side, a killer to put back up😊
Great review. Currently looking at a 2010 with low mileage.
Dang I always liked this bike, you definitely changed my mind
Bought a beautful 02 ST 1100 this spring with only 3k miles on it.. One of the most stable comfortable bikes I've owned.. Heavy but don't notice it once moving. I find the 1100 has more leg room than the 1300 for me. Rock solid even at 100+ MPH..
In addition to "second fuel tank:" this is a smaller compartment that does not take down much of the weight. It contains the fuel pump and I suppose it is a barrier for heat because the fuel pressure is a constant one and has a reverse line! The second tank enables the reserve indicator to go on at exactly the right time, unlike bikes I had earlier. The dash starts counting the miles you have left in reverse, when the real fuel tank is dry. One also knows, at that point, that new fuel is not going to be mixed with the older. It contains 5 of the 29 liters. Fuel consumption is 1 liter on 19,8 km officially and realistic. When you don't replace shocks then it gets difficult enough putting the ST on its center stand. The bike is too heavy for noobs to even consider.
In riding I noticed the gearing did not allow the fast take-off's that we see on TH-cam (0 to 100 km/hr in 3,5 sec officially). Even though no refs do ever seem high when you reach them. Police bikes may have had different gearing and those have been one model year. The sound can be a soft whistle but resembles more a twin engine just another moment. Clutch lever is inconsistent with the function and that makes a turn difficult. I feel not being able to get much tired and that is strange because the seat seems to be pushing you unreasonably forward.
One tip. You can buy covers that are put in place of the bags. I bought a battery cover lately, for a later then 2004 model but I had to use elbow grease mounting it stable on the bike. My steer right bar end turned out to be a cruse control. Try turning yours around backwards a lot, until it blocks the grip. Please do watch my channel AlfredMoi for some ride video's.
I have had my 2005 for over 6 years. What a great bike! I have put on almost 45,000 miles, mostly commuting and splitting lanes (California).
Very good review, you are the first to explain the speed weave issue and that it was solved after 2004. After a long absence I started riding bikes again last year with an ST 1100. I love the looks of the ST 1100 and prefer it over all other tourers, including the ST 1300. Problem are parts, my ST 1100 is 33 years old, used every day all year round (excluding days with snow or black ice). Thinking about getting a ST 1300 or FJR... Or a VFR, I also bought a 4th gen VFR which is a lovely bike also...
VFR is a great bike, faster and easier to handle than ST1300. But you will miss the wind protection and easier to your wrists riding position of the ST1300.
Just got a o5 st1300.hope l
About the brakes it is a good idea to mention the fact that front and back a linked very nicely :)
Good point. Brakes are amazing. The linked braking on Hondas has always been great
Excellent review informative 👍
I have this bike and its a beast it will wheelie on power. The panniers hold a xl full face each. The weight is great as it makes it super stable. The front tip bars prevent the panniers hitting the ground i have lost it on a corner and slid the bike with zero damage
Nice job on this review. I was surprised you rode it hard in winter, with that rear tire looking pretty old. 😊
One thing to note, resale value on all these sport touring bikes are pretty bad, not just the Honda. They tend to have high miles. It's true ST13's are more affordable now - I think it's because the bike was discontinued 10 years ago.
Pan weave/wobble is not limited to -03 model. My -08 has it. 1 up, screen down, top box and 180+ km/h (110+ mph) - serious wobble, hard to gain control. Good to know if your planning touring on autobahn. You never know if yours has it without trying, but I don't recommend trying..
Even with this in mind it is a fantastic touring bike. Check MCN review.
Upgrade rear shock and front springs should solve the problem. Mine had Wilbers and it did excellent. On the other hand ST1100 was like train on the tracks at 200kmh on German Autobahn...no issue even with strong cross winds.
My 2 cents: owned a st1100 and st 1300, plenty of power, they are heavy! Very maneuverable but heavy, a tad high for us short guys even with the seat in the lowest position, they do wine, some like it, some don't, shaft drive and electronic windshield are awesome, needs to have 6th gr, brakes are awesome, definitely the pick of the litter if your looking at kawi concour, moto guzzi norge, yamaha bla, bla, bla, there all old and backdated but if you don't want to accept new technology, the honda is your ride, plenty of them out there for cheap money, there easy to maintain and very dependable, definitely a high mileage bike if it's taken care of.
Great easy listening review.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have a 2006. Love it! At the cost of current sport-tourers, no need to get something else as long as I keep up the maintenance. It does get hot in the summer and it's a bit heavy. Those are the downfalls. Otherwise a great bike. Check your facts on the ABS breaks, though. Mine doesn't have ABS, but the front and rear are linked. I think ABS was introduced on the 2007 or 2008 model.
Abs is on my 2003 A4
Great review!
It's a beautiful bike ,smooth ,lineal power ,the only reason I sold mine ,is because I wanted to do dirt roads ,and as get older the weight ,was becoming an issue.
I have a 2004. No issues. Tyre pressure has to be right. Top box causes niggles at high speed with screen at full height. But handling is really good and fit and finish is top notch. Great bike. Yes I have a lighter faster machine in stable but that's not the point. Fjr too low and not as comfy for tall riders. Concours 1400 is probably the real king and has better brakes but St 1300 more refined if not as powerful. Hard to beat.
Love both:
ST1300 and ST1100. Perfect bikes
Got a 2006 & love it .One of the best features never mentioned is when it rains I can lower the windscreen & without getting the rest of me wet it immediately clears the water off , even in downpours that have cars pulling off the highway for lack of vision. I'm just over 6ft & was impressed when I could actually see better than they could ! The fairing is very well thought out & designed Being cold is something you won't experience ,& being too warm ? ,just lower the wind screen &/or buy the pegs shown in this video.
The problem when it rains is you have to keep moving or you’ll get wet!
Awesome review very well done. I love the blue truly a nice color. I have a 05 very smooth bike like you mentioned. I like your windshield. What kind is it ?
I owned a 2004 ST1300. Here in the states, there was no Honda line top case option so I bought a Pan Euro top case in the matching blue. At any rate, only ever experienced the weave with the top case on the bike and at speed. This happened twice and both times, I was “making progress” on some back roads. I really miss the ST1300, it was literally the best and most competent motorcycle I have ever owned. I wish Honda would update the bike, give it more power and bring it back.
On my 2nd ST1300 and love it. Except for going offroad, it is the perfect Sport/Tourer.
I had to put cruise control on the bike to save me from speeding tickets! As he notes, the sensation of speed disapears in a most unusual way. Cruising city streets pay close attention to speed! Out in the desert, have some fun! I had 172,000 miles on my '05 when it was melted to slag in a California Wine Country wildfire. I so miss that bike!
not everyone loves them. I thought I would. I showed up with all the cash the guy was asking for the bike. I found one with 22,000 miles on it, and many extras like a rack and trunk, radar detector, phone and GPS mounts, fresh tires, Sargent seat, just serviced with fresh oil and filter, fresh air filter, upgraded shock, fresh windshield OEM..
I told the seller I would not be right back. I told him I would be gone at least an hour. I left my motorcycle at his house.
it was an 85° day. I was near Johnstown Pennsylvania, all back roads through farmland , Not very populated, not many stop signs or traffic lights..
about 10 minutes out I felt it. It felt like someone had a heat gun blasting air on both of my shins. Hot, HOT air..
I actually thought that the radiator was leaking hot water onto my legs or that I was getting oil on my shins that was hot..
that was not the source of the heat. The heat was normal operating temperature air coming through the radiator and bathing the riders legs and crotch in very uncomfortably hot air..
I am mediately turned around and headed back for the barn..
I pulled into the guysdriveway, and he came out of his garage smiling saying, that was a quick hour..
The first thing I said to him was, how can you ride this thing with all of that heat pouring all over you..
his smile went to a frown instantly because he realized that it was a dealbreaker.. then he said the magic words
“ that’s why it’s for sale”
An incredible touring machine, very smooth, corners to the pegs. Great fuel mileage, big tank allows me to tanker the sport bikes. I have ridden in all weather conditions, my elbows get damp, the rubber fairing deflectors , no longer made, make the bike. I looked for a suitable replacement, i would probably just buy a newer one. All my riding buddies have replaced their bikes every couple years, my 2007 ST is still with me. I still try to upshift to 6 though. Riders tell me the FJR is better, they’ve all moved on to different rides, my handle is LoST.
Brought one, 2005..ST1300 great bike..
I owned an ST1100 and a ST1300. Both of them were 'old' when I purchased them. I preferred the looks of the 1100, but with a four-carb setup the synch was a bit problematic. The 1300 took care of this issue with fuel injection. Both bikes had fantastic handling and made me feel like one with the machine. I didn't ride above 100 mph and almost never used the rear Givi trunks (I thought they destroyed the look of the bike), but wobble was never an issue. And what smooth and effortless power delivery.
I am currently riding a BMW R1100RS and a 650 V-strom. These are good-handling motorcycles, but nothing I have ridden compared with the feel of the ST series motorcycles. Would recommend without hesitation, but plan on doing the servicing yourself. Seems like most Honda shops did not want to touch the ST100, and charged too much money for minor servicing on the ST1300.
I like your comment but I found one flaw...You expect me to believe you never rode it above 100mph? I ask this with a knowing smile. Please don't be offended, I'm just poking a little good natured fun at you!
@@paulh7589 Not to worry. I am slightly des lexic. I may have glanced down once or twice and seen 012 on the speedo. Or was it 120? or maybe 210? Who can really know?
@@The1958Voice I figured it was something like that. Even though you were covering a football field in less than a second, your heart was in the right place. Nobody can fault you for that. I understand what living with a disorder is like. I'm actually a Lesbian trapped in a Man's body, I love Women, can't get enough of them.
Did you notice any difference in the throttle response? Some say the 1300 has an on or off throttle, where the 1100 has a smoother throttle? I'm on an 1100 now and considering a 1300, but dont want that feel of that jerky throttle. Cheers.
I just came across one on marketplace with 818,816 thousand miles!!! Looks like hell but still going!
WHAAAAAAAATTT?! incredible. what location?
@@VehicleHunter There is also a 2004 for sale near me. It looks beautiful 87,000 miles they want 4000 for it.
I put over 42,000 miles on my 2008 ST1300A before I sold it. Great bike overall but I always wished it had a 6th gear and around 20HP more.
Vehicle Hunter. What... a single seat ??? 13:23 The ST-1300 has always had a double seat! It is and remains a fantastic motorcycle.
Thanks for your vids. Well done. 👍
He must be referring to the fact that there are two separate areas for rider and passenger.
Mine come from the factory with a single seat.
He preferred separate seats over -"a"- single seat. The rear seat can be changed for a smugglers box by the way but that is expensive. Watch my channel AlfredMoi.
@@stephenlane7951 The factory for mine is a single (Rider and pillion in one) but after market you can get split seats. I got a corbin Seat + Smuggler for the passenger. Works well for a single rider and then if I need passenger space I put back the OEM seat.
Overall a good review of the st 1300 however during a lapse of concentration I exceeded 100 mph and did not experience any sort of weave from my 2003 model in Britain the general consensus was that the weave was down to the amount and distribution of heavy equipment on the police bike .
I get a bit of instability with my 05 with the screen raised and the rear top box on. But hard to know if it is due to cross winds or changed laminar flow or a a bit of both. But I've not quite cracked 100mph on it so maybe not hit the zone
Shame on Honda for under engineering the bike and creating a confidence that fails the rider when loaded within capacity ratings.
The “weave” was caused by improper suspension sag settings and in some cases rear tire under inflation. It is a heavy machine so at least 40 psi is the norm and in some older bikes the hydraulic preload adjuster needs to be rebuilt and reset to achieve the proper sag adjustment.
@@mybikegarage1040 There was one accident in California. A police officer died. If I understand well, the bike was loaded with accessories and the weight was too much. My 2004 St 1300 can go up to 240 km per hour without any problem. Lower the windshield and remove the top box.
@@cibsim
Having owned Honda’s since 1978 some good some bad bikes. I find Honda’s today to be not up to modern standards. The ST1300 has been criticized for more than the weave. Putting too much heat placed on the rider, A heavy bike. Lacking in accessories to remain competitive, like heated grips, ABS, cruise control. While BMW and others are making quality modern bikes Honda falls further behind. Ever since Mr. Honda Passed away,the company has been less interested in Bikes and more focused on their cars. I see a day when Honda moves out of the big bike market.
This looks like such a nice upgrade from my 650 Deauville. Some day!
How do you like the deuville? it seems like a mini pan european
High-Speed Wobble coupled with weighing more than 730 lbs. FJR1300 or, in my case, R1200RT (pre-shaft drive failure issues)
Great review. It's a shame to see that these type of bikes aren't appreciated these days and the three Japanese have stopped making them.
Super boulot 👍
Best bike I ever owned. I did change the fork springs. Hurricane Sandy took it.
Thank you for the honest truth about the 2003 wobble.
The "Pan Weave" was determined to be due to improper loading, as the police issue was stacked with lights radio etc and a good portion the weight was in the top box. In testing the weave could be induced but as far as I know Honda didnt make any relevent changes to the bike itself but instead revised loading instructions. Why Honda killed the ST is still a sore spot for many, but I think it was more due to the onset of the adventure segment. My '03 is still ridden year round, 110 k km, and it is surprisingly capable on the backroads, it sure surprised me, it's my first tourer.
If that was the case the weaving would not happen in empty st1300's like mine. I believe the reason that was the "official" reason was to put blame on the rider/police instead on Honda.
Every time I hear a ST1300 I think of The Jetsons cartoon. It sounds like George Jetsons flying car 😂
I always think of that too when i hear it run. 😅
I've been reading up and learning about the st lines. I'm looking for my next bike. I have a vstar 1100 custom cruiser now that I love but I'm just not comfortable on it after an hour or so. My neck and shoulders hurt and I feel like my short legs are against the forward pegs instead of resting on them. I'm looking to get into longer rides and just can't do it on the vstar.
The 1100 is very typical of a mistake manufacturers make: they have a product that is adored by customers so they try to upgrade it and lose the plot along the way. It's the old adage: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sure, maybe update the looks a bit, improve aerodynamics if you have to, update the look of the gauges but don't lose the things that made it a great bike.
Beautiful bike
Hey, was that Monocacy?! Cool to see a local, nice review!
Yeah, it's off of route 355 near Frederick. Good spot.
@@VehicleHunter Yep, I ride past it all the time. Nice resting place.
Huntington Beach Honda was the top builders of the police models. I was fortunate enough to speak with the Japanese engineer who designed the engine on the ST1300. He came to America to see what the Americans were doing with the ST for police work. He said he designed the engine to last 200k miles easy
Best vfm big turing motorcycle.
2005....bullet proof bike....linked brakes are phenomenal. Also....bike is heavy when trying to back it up...try not to park it down hill if you have to back it out...also...with the large gas tank always try to keep at least the lower tank full of fuel as the pump is there. I have seen a corroded encrusted pump....plus the pump will stay cooler emerged in fuel. Does put out a lot of heat which is good early spring late fall but can get hot in summer - you get used to it. V4 sounds more like a sewing machine...you get used to it.
Yes they are much heavier than an FJR and BMW. I’ve had alll 3
I rode one today, all I will say is WOW !!! THE POWER IS INCREDIBLE LIKE HAYABUSA POWERFUL
I'm really enjoyed your review . Only I have a few issues. I own the ST1300. It's a 2002 not the 2003 you mention . Mine has never wobbled in any way and your talking to an ex kawasaki ZZR1400 owner here . The ST1100 was not a better bike than the ST1300. I owned one and it was a dangerous bike . The alternator would give up without warming. To change it you have to split the bike in half and it doesn't end there . The swing arm on the 1100 would rot from the inside out . The ST1300 in my view is the better more reliable bike . I have owned my 1300 for 6 years now the only issue I had was the clutch slave cylinder seal leaks causing a loss of pressure at the lever. Mine has never wobbled I have studied it well . I do all my own maintenance to all of my bikes . I can not see why or how they wobbled. Anyway I enjoyed your review and thank you .
Me ha gustado mucho su vídeo. Tengo una honda silverwing 400 y estoy pensando en comprar una st 1300 de 2008. He oído que dan muchísimo calor con temperaturas altas. En España y en Madrid en concreto hace en verano un calor sofocante. Recomendaría esta moto? Gasta mucha gasolina en comparación con la silverwing? Me gustaría que me aconsejara si la comodidad de una y otra para el acompañante es muy grande. Muchas gracias. V'
I just got a ST 1300 from 2007, it`s a great bike.
i do 20Km/L mutch beter then my VFR 750 from 93.
And the sond of the exsost.......
The most confortble bike i haver had!!!!
Honda launched the new NT1100 to fill the gap beneath the Goldwing. Africa Twin based its a very nice solution. I'm very pleased with mine and it's all around capability. Hope Honda releases this model in the US market. I think it would be very well received.
NT is not a true Touring bike. It looks like hybrid Enduro Touring. I'm not why they did not developed new ST1300 to beat that RT1200 from BMW.
@@The_Touring_Jedi Have you ridden the NT1100?
Awesome bike, had pegs down with the wife on the back. I had this a lot faster into the corners than my Blackbird, this thing is very flickable. I have had one on UK back roads regularly well over 100mph.
My question for you iss....... Why did you give up the silver wing for the ST1300?
I went from a burgman 650 exec to my ST1300 because I live in the middle of the U.S. with that being said, to get to all of the cool areas of the U.S. I have to ride a minimum of 480-520miles. At 62-63mph in manual mode in OVERDRIVE I would get about 225-230miles below like 4000ft elevation. O....and it runs on regular so cost to run was very very cheap.
Between my 56liter top case and that lovely 56liters under the seat I obviously had a whopping 112liters of storage and that's it I don't get another 40liter bag to strap over the passenger seat. Anyways, I would have never given up my burgman if it just had a taller gear. If I lived closer to the cool stuff, I for sure would still have it. I needed a GT style bike with at least 300mile range.
Btw, the burgman over 4000-5000ft gave me 255-260miles with 3.5gallons (typically) out of the 4gallon fuel capacity. After aloot of careful research and pro and conning, I landed on the ST just for it's rainge alone. Now I get 340-350miles@75mph GPS speed and still typically gave 1.2-1.3gallons in the tank @1000&1200fy elevation. I could only imagine above 4000ft at like 65-70mph. I don't see any of the other sport tourers that I would be interested in getting that kind of range.
Now the best thing about riding my ST is I stop when I want....not because I have to (@ needing fuel).
I paid 8k for my 2012 with 27k miles. Don't regret it for a second. Great bike.
(See 23:56 in video) Interesting comparison of ST1100 and ST1300, and I'd agree the 1300 is a tad sportier, where the 1100 was Mr. Creamy smooth with Power. BUT, the 1300 is a fine bike in its own right, and perhaps underestimated by folks scared of by high speed wobble issues- of zero import to most riders. I'd agree with your observation that the ST1300 did not fare so well with ST1100 riders who valued Mr. Creamy Smooth, Honda wanted to move the bike towards "sport" and did so. Both bikes are some of the finest motorcycles ever made.
I would really like to know what changes were made after 2003.I have an 03 non abs no power windshield ,I have a 12" tinted windshield on it. I run battlax t32gt's run 42 psi and have never had any issues ,I have had the bike going as fast as it will go was indicating 245km and no weave ???
I love those bikes
Had one for a short period. In TX the heat was unbearable. if I was back in MA I probably would have kept it.
I have owned five pans and it’s the best bike Honda has ever made, silky smooth though it is heavy lol
I've been told the 1100 is a much better bike , if you can get one,. If you are talking about a very difficult bike to put on the centre stand try the XJ 900 Diversion they are just about impossible to place on it unless you know what you are doing. Very interesting about the secondary tank below the seat. My 1982 Honda V45 has the very same thing.
This is a beautiful bike....
4:50 Is the front tire fitted correctly? To shed water, surely the V pattern should point down at the front. Rear tire is correct.
Take note that the “ weave” was traced to improper rear suspension sag setting. It took almost all the preload adjustment jus to get close to the proper adjustment and the available rebound was not enough. I believe that Honda revised the spring rate and provided rebound to suite and the problem was resolved.
I own a 2016 police package bike and do well over 100mph on my daily commute without issues.
Racetech did have the “ weave fix “ for early models.
Going on 97000 miles and still going strong! Anal
Excellent review. How is the wind noise and wind buffeting?
Best wind protection ive had. With the electric windscreen you can really dial it in. Im 5'9 and it seems im in a bubble while riding. Perfect winter bike.
If only ST1100 got EFI like ST1300 I would buy it and never change for anything else. Talking about bulletproof bike. Stability of ST1100 on hard windy and rainy days is just like train on tracks...absolutely no issue in regard to all other bikes in same class.
Line under the seat and the fairings with silver insulation. Wrap the headers