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- In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges public intellectual and feminist icon Germaine Greer on why she criticises the #MeToo movement against sexual harassment and assault.
When the Harvey Weinstein scandal erupted in Hollywood in October 2017, a tsunami of accusations of sexual harassment and assault followed, accompanied by a hashtag: #MeToo.
Dozens of high-profile men have been implicated in the campaign, which rapidly morphed into a global phenomenon, crossing industries and borders and reaching the powerful.
Many feminists see #MeToo as a seismic shift, but Greer has questioned the value and efficacy of the movement, arguing that "there hasn't been a reckoning ... it actually didn't get anywhere. And it has a downside as well, which is presenting women as victims".
Greer has been one of the world's most influential feminist voices since the 1970 publication of her bestselling The Female Eunuch. She has also come under fire for her provocative remarks on subjects ranging from rape to transgender identity.
"When somebody tells me that you're more likely to suffer PTSD as a rape victim than you are as a veteran of foreign wars, something has gone seriously wrong," Greer told the audience at Oxford Union.
We ask her why she thinks #MeToo has gone nowhere, and also challenge some of her more incendiary statements.
We are joined by a panel of three experts:
Laurie Penny - award-winning journalist and feminist activist, contributing editor at the New Statesman, and author of Bitch Doctrine: Essays for Dissenting Adults.
Minna Salami - feminist writer and speaker and founder of the award-winning pan-African feminist blog MsAfropolitan.
Zoe Strimpel - journalist, author, historian of gender and relationships and research fellow at the University of Sussex.
Has #MeToo failed? with Germaine Greer will be broadcast on August 10 at 20:00 GMT and will be repeated on August 11 at 12:00 GMT, August 12 at 01:00 GMT and August 13 at 06:00 GMT.
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Germaine can not have a highly intellectual and nuanced conversation with a room full of people who can only think and process language in 160 characters or less.
Nothing has changed for working class women, this is a movement for glamorous women.
Exactly...I agree with you 100%.
Totally. Some feminists always talk about "breaking through the glass ceiling." For them, feminism means becoming a ceo on Wall Street. Fat lot of good that's gonna do for benefits mothers on a deprived housing estate.
@@ranarazzaque80 I never hear these "feminists" making a noise about underepresentation in the deep sea fishing industry, frontline military, coalmining, quarrying, security, refuse collection, logistics etc etc
One thing I'll say about her, she's got a large pair of balls for her opinions
Half way through, and I have to say that listening to Germaine speak is as asphyxiating as it is a breath of "fresh air". Truths are hard to swallow, albeit, as they come out off her mouth...a bit contradictory and perplexing...some of what she said her is truth...though dishonest.
My view, these "victories" are only such that because multiple victims were made because each one previous remained silent, took the money or decided to speak because funds dried out. I believe the women, it just frustrates when women don't speak. It enables the rapist to continue abhorrent behavior. Almost to the point where even I find myself tossing up my hands in disgust not just at the alleged perp., but the alleged victim.
Germain Greer trying to liberate women from being victims and women desperately trying to hang on to their victimhood
I read her in the seventies, found her smart, and thought of myself as a feminist, Jo Lop Lop. I would be embarrassed to call myself one today because it has changed into a celebration of victimhood.
She's an incredibly stupid old woman.
This panel of experts is totally nonsensical. It's all retreat and defense.
An opportunity squandered, I would have liked to hear Germaine finish a thought.
They should have had older feminists not these Snow flake feminists. 😂😂😂😂 I love Germain I'm a millenia embarrassed by these representatives .. they want to "feel good solutions " Vs what Germain is saying .
Wow that was so ridiculous, Mehdi completely failing his role as a journalist by being clearly bias on this issue and instead decide to play the role of the prosecutor
I usually like watch head to head but I found this really uncomfortable to watch. It felt more like watching your family argue rather than a logical debate.
So funny
this was not a debate, it was a cross-examination by an ignorant host and an audience of sheep/bandwagon climbers.
Bored of this yet? Yeah, Me Too.
22:18 Joe Biden is having a good time, the ol' timer.
15:20 No greater lack of respect than interrupting a woman that is IN THIS MOMENT speaking about her own rape. And you are claiming to stand up fo the rights of women and against assault. COME ON.
ay bro....the polygraph
Wait a minute what did i just watch a debate or an inquisition style interrogation? How appalling for the lack of respect
yea it's horrible, this host should be ashamed of himself for treating his guest like that while promoting his own popularity and confuse the audience at the end.
They put Germaine Greer trial. Medhi, Laurie, and Minna were downright hostile. So painful to watch.
oh my God.. why are some people not able to digest that there isn't only one kind of feminism?
Tell that to atheists about religion
@@Blood0cean tell that to religi-tards about atheists
**** exactly ****
@@curiositypiqued6573 atheist do not believe in a higher power.... where's the diversity?
if you believe there's a god, what does that say about his creation? r*pe is part of god's infinitely wise plan?
Mehdi should have his own show where he interviews himself. He seems to be more in love with his own thoughts and values that that of his guest.
She is from a different era and I want to believe she did her best voicing the concerns regarding women's rights and issues.
This was painful to watch.
Zenn but I learned a lot
the truth is painful
She is brilliant. She will not take side of women just because she is one herself. She takes side of reasoning only.
I'm in Nigeria and the comment that women here some how are aware of Me2 or Me2 helps us here is a total lie. This is the hypocrisy that Germain was talking about. And why was the host constantly interrupting this was a waste of time and it's sad!
Me 2 became a fashion statement where people rallied and twitted because they wanted to be part of the group who is doing something about women. They didn't care if they had to lie to get the attention.
@@dotamaze 1,000,000% agree on you
The irony: it's a discussion about empowering women to defeat oppressive male hegemony and not a single woman in the room had the courage to call out the male interviewer's aggressive and condescending manner in the way he spoke to Germaine Greer. He was allowed to arrogantly dominate the discussion, without a single voice of dissent! This alone shows the hypocrisy at work; if only I could have heard more of Ms Greer's insights, had she not been so rudely interrupted by Mehdi Hasan on multiple occasions.
100% agree!
Mary Wild that’s because he made good points based on facts not just speculation and hearsay.
They are persecuting her for seeing things differently than they do, is this what feminism is now? That we all see things exactly the same and we all speak with the same voice? BULLOCKS! Let her speak her mind and whether you agree with it or not is entirely up to you!
That's "BOLLOCKS", by the way . . .
"prosecuting a man in his 80s that has been offending for 60 years, what kind of a triumph is that?" that is a very good point
There is no victory. He might be dead in a few years
Alexander Williams so he shouldn’t be in jail then.
how can people know for sure he was even offending in the first place? any vetting into allegations? sure that they haven't just decided to change their minds, from consensual to non-consensual encounter out of regret, spite, vengenge?
also, don't wait 30-40 years to come forward. it's insane that instead of teaching women to go to the hospital and the police in case of sexual assault, we teach them to wait and then blast it on social media and demand people to believe women
that is not victory for justice, but is a victory for 3rd wave feminism
First time I’ve watched Head to Head. What a nasty, angry man interrupting Germaine continually. She was literally ganged up on by him and this audience. The interviewer set that tone rather than encouraging discussion. I would’ve liked to have heard her out. Germaine is a brilliant thinker. I think she would possibly have added a practical perspective. We don’t know as she was not allowed to finish what she was saying. She’s elderly. Have a little respect.
Anchor himself is the prosecutor, the Judge and the Jury.
BS it aint a trial.... She chose to go there... Shes full of venom
@@curiositypiqued6573 Feisty, but she's got a point. And so does the guy above, Hasan was mostly making generalized accusations more than anything.
She never finished a thought, he kept interrupting her. This was uncomfortable.
Hasan is very bad anchor then
Why do they need her to acknowledge them? Ah
He should really let her finish. I don’t agree with everything she says, specifically when she downplays how damaging rape/assault can be on a person, but if he lets her speak, some stuff she says really makes sense. Me too is not really helping but for celebrities it seems and companies who want to advertise they support the “trend”. Otherwise, many men who are the source of the problem, still can’t have the conversation.
Well she definitely does not shy away from controversy and serves as a good reminder that freedom of speech can be very frustrating to hear at times. But even still I think it is always good to have someone like her shake things up so that these feminists don't assume that their narrative is the only valid one especially since it is coming from an "icon" like her.
the panelist here are interfering too much but mehdi can't stop or interfere cause it would be mansplaining 🤣🤣🤣
So much for diversity.. This is lesson in that you don't have to support everything people want you to.. Even if you are bullied into doing it!! An boy was she bullied!
Is she being bullied or being held accountable to what she represents, given the influence that she has?
@@anissofia3745 I'd say bullied, many of these People are out for blood for varied reasons,but, I don't believe it's for reasons they're claiming it to be.
36:50
Ok we don't even need to discuss anything anymore here. We have a MAN trying to play the expert on FEMALE traumatization after rape. This is simply ridiculous. I'm a rape victim AND an expert in psychology, especially PTSD and other disorders following traumatization, and this guy simply has NO CLUE. Also, I don't think he gets her point because he doesn't let her finish her sentences.
She does seem to be way out there though
@@mikesendec3972 What do you mean to say by that? She's right with most of what she said. More right than anybody else in that room. And yes, she is furious, I would be too if confronted with such ingorance and stupidity on this rough topic that only true victims and professional therapists know anything about.
@@stonedNcreepy she just seems to be all over the place with her arguments and unable to make a coherent argument as well.
@@mikesendec3972 Well if you say so. All I see is a woman making very coherent, knowledged and true arguments and constantly being interrupted by the clueless moderator.
@@stonedNcreepy I agree the moderator is rude but even the other women are calling her incoherent and nonsensical. I like her though she's funny and I agree with her about trans women being men and taking over women's spaces, she just doesn't seem to be making allot of sense in this clip.
I love Germaine. She never plays victim card. She is strong . I am proud of having her as my role model.
let the old lady speak
The title of this episode should be "The host hates Germain and thinks Me2 has changed the world"
its literally called head to head
TrueTalkNG he can be so rude 🙄🙄🙄
@@esigolda it's called head to head what do you expect him to do . They're not meant to kiss each other ffs
Come on, that's merely a head to head not a typical interview . He sits over there to enormously challenge the guests and their comments.
He hates her? 🙄 Get outta your feelings. She’s a critic taking the MeToo movement apart like an analytical person does. He’s an analytical host taking her argument apart. The opposition should do it but Mehdis job is to challenge the position
I think the behavior of these 4 people ironically proves that Greer is right.
(their disrespectful way of treating an old respectable activist lady made me angry and sad at the same time).
I agree, these panels are always so rude and disrespectful, the guy himself also I constantly rude and gives unhelpful comments all the time, this is a public show trail not a debate
While I understand Germaine's fans' frustration, I truly admire her honesty and courage to still speak up her mind and not just go with the flow as most people do these days. As she put it, "we live in the time of slogans". By not wanting to be an icon or running after keeping her big fan base, pleased, she sets her own self free.
Is this an interview or an opportunity for that dude to just say what he thinks is right
I’m frustrated for Germaine.
I'm so confused, they're all arguing on the same but but with emphasis on different areas and different perspecitves and they refuse to see from their opponent's perspective. They're just making a bunch of noise but no point is coming through.
I don't agree with everything Germaine Greer said, in fact, I disagree with most of it. But then again, notice the stark difference between the host and her in terms of being open to listening to the opinions of others. While the host wouldn't even let her finish her sentences and finish making the points she headed towards (especially in Part 1), she listened with full attention to the women on the panel who made their arguments against her and let them actually finish. Even if you disagree with your guest, what in the world is the point of inviting them and simply calling them "legendary" a couple of times if you're so determined to not listen to them and keep your mind at least remotely open to both sides of the argument?
The problem with current law system is that it can only intervene when something bad has happened. A preemptive measure does not exists and I don't think it will because it seems impossible to implement without sacrificing liberty to some extent. What would people choose if given the choice of 'liberty' or 'security' (at a slight cost of liberty of course)?
Rajeesh John...One gives up Liberty,,then forget about security... a rough quote from Ben Franklin.
I'm astonished how come the majority so called "smart people" simply stay at the very shallow surface,and not sencerly focus on the essence of a complicated long existed problem,seriously I'm so shocked!!!The host is dreadful disaster,who's over proud of showing off yeh he can speak English,and very very fast.And amazing how Germain patient with these people is,love Germain💖.
06:36
"It's only been 6 months".... It's 2020 now and it still hasn't changed much. Because it's the WRONG WAY. Millions of women claiming(!!) to have been harassed doesn't change ANYTHING, it just belittles the pain of women who actually suffered SEVERE cases of rape, abuse and assault. it does NOT change anything about patriarchy to point your finger at men. They will just be even more defensive. End of story.
Why are you asking her for simple answer on difficult questions, and then not give her time to elaborate?
all these women were looking for affirmation from Germaine, so sad they were disappointed
I'm not disappointed at all. I think that given an actual opportunity to respond without being interrupted she would have gladly articulated her arguments.
@@carmenricard3332 she spoke 99% of the interview
@@curiositypiqued6573 You must not have watched the whole thing then, that interviewer kept interrupting. Plus a significant portion of the video was dedicated to audience members speaking. Might need to re-evaluate your stats my friend.
@@carmenricard3332 she ea given plenty of time
And the other victims deserve just as much time as queen germaine🤦♂️
The whole idea that women needed an awareness campaign to recognize if they are rape victims is inherently flawed.
Lol he is so flustered
Wait on dear boy 😂
Germaine is full of nonsense, she can't even make her mind up on what she believes
The host needs to give the speakers more respect .. in all the shows it’s like they can’t can’t
@Emad Ali, I think of him as an excellent interviewer. He brings out things we would not hear if he had a more passive style.
17:23 You also create damage if you feed your kid a Mc Donald's burger. This whole argument is ridiculous. There are STAGES of rape and you CAN NOT just throw them all in the same pot.
By far the worst head to head interview ever, always saw Mehdi as a journalist but this....
I'm dissappointed in this interview
This interview was terrible. Panel were completely unqualified and didn't contribute at all.
Well, that was intense
Because GG has a far more balanced view, based on the reality of the situation, her long experience and her views aren’t extreme. The other women particularly the very vocal women in the middle, came across as a feminist who just wants to emasculate men. Quite literally.
The women who's intentions are to emasculate men are quite foolish...will they go so far as to try this with their own male children? Guess one can't fix stupid.
GG did nothing but dodge questions and have a conversation with herself the entire time 😂 her “arguments” were baseless. Her answers had nothing to do with the questions. She was making vague statements and essentially defending men who raped. If your masculinity is built on your ability to rape then you have a problem
I think the world has moved on. We have more pressing concerns than who said what, many people are fighting for survival. Try being a covid patient dying in a rancid ward in India.
try to listen for 2 minutes straight brother, listen, and then say any thing you want or same things you said, but let the woman finish an idea at least.
I understand when people say '' never meet your idols'.'
She's 80. She's lived a lot, tried harder than most to further feminism, and expresses herself like an Australian (she is). I don't feel the adversarial ding-dong is right for this. This is just rude. She has the wider view.
And Germaine, in 2020, is correct. Me too was a classist movement that got some celebrities locked up. But for the everyday woman or the women in developing and 3rd world countries, it did nothing!
Germaine was positioned in an adversarial environment with a hostile audience who weren't out to hear a different point of view, but rather, to attack her for not joining the 'mob'.
Also, Hasan, you are an inappropriate host for this forum because as the typical male as you are, you kept overspeaking your guest and not allowing her the time to fully answer the questions.
For example, I strongly suggest viewers to look up why Germain has no position on female genitial mutilation. Her perspective is something that western feminism tends to discredit.
Me too resulted in a backlash again women's rights and a small victory for rich white women. WAKE UP!
I think Mehdi is being verbally abusive to Germaine. He's grilling her. Trying to be "more feminist than thou".
ME TOO contradicts the constitutional right to “innocent until proven guilty”. Make an accusation no matter how long ago and you instantly becomes a victim.
Was it a debate or an interview? Would have liked to hear GG's viewpoint not just Hasan's attacks.
This is a debate, not Jimmy fallon, he's here to challenge her views
Dana Pink That’s not debating, debating is when a question is posed, and you present points to argue your position, HASAN provided questions in the form of accusations but provided no evidence to back his own position in the discussion, the assumption was because the masses disagree she must be wrong.
It's the format of the interview...he purposely plays the devil's advocate
This was not a debate. Germaine was not given any chance to articulate any point. She could not finish a single sentence before he cut her off. The interviewer and that ghastly short haired woman bullied Germaine the whole way through. This was not an attempt to debate. It was “you must agree with me or i will end you”
@@sjive830 what he clearly kept giving evidence and questions
why ask questions if your not willing to hear answers. cut her off so many times.
shorty boyd it’s called rigorous debate
What a dreadful interviewer.
@A M is your nappy wet?
@A M funny you deam it worthy of your time to answer.
Lol and you think you can do better
Why is this man cutting Germaine off constantly?
God, this is so one-sided. You let everyone speak, but not Germaine. This says everything.
I disagree, this is just how the 'head to head' debates go tbh, you can check the other ones out. I feel like its more of a conversation regarding the views of the main debatee(?) -> Germaine in this instance. Although I would say that Germaine was not really allowed to finish her points, got interrupted a bit too much
@@abdurrahmaandesai8473 this is not a debate
@@ameado2010 In the sense of x person putting their view forward, y person potentially disputing that and putting a counter argument forwards and then both having a discussion on it, I would say it is a debate
Disappointing. Could have been a good discussion and debate.
a discussion is about listening and hoping to learn something.. Those feminists don't listen..
11:20 AGAIN, SHE'S NOT THERE TO GIVE SOLUTIONS. Also, let her speak. Just because you don't have another solution, doesn't mean you can't say that something is obvious bullshit. Not having another solution yet wouldn't make MeToo more effective. (There would be TONS of better solutions, but just as Germaine said, people wouldn't do what is required for those solutions, so it's a waste of time to even talk about them. Women would rather prefer pointing their fingers at others all of a sudden.) Also, it's incredible how this moderator disrupts Germaine constantly and his obvious lack of respect towards her opinion.
This woman is going over so many heads and they can't keep up. Longer experience equals a more detailed but more general explanation
No I don't think so. I think that she's disappointed that women aren't futher along in the fight for equality. I hate to say this but she might be a bit bitter?
The moderator did her no favors with his constant interruptions and demands for unequivocal answers to complicated questions. She was clearly annoyed by this.
She said bill will get an appeal and bill got an appeal and won!
Ironic that she embodies the negative female stereotypes so perfectly!
can you explain more?
I agree with her about
Forcibly tattooing rapists
Mehdi is really bad at this. Doesnt even let her speak.
Middle advisory persy is just awesome
This interviewer is dreadful. Can not let her finish one complete sentence.
The goal of discussions should be FIRST to understand what Germaine Greer is saying. This is not a black-and-white issue complex--much grey area--many complications, qualification. This host is approaching this as this as a prosecuting attorney and Greer is on trial. He doesn't appear to be interested in actually understanding what Greer's perspectives are.
yooo this old lady is brutal lol.
I actually agree with her (Germaine) with many points she made
He has never been a rape victim but thinks he knows more about it than her an actual victim. The irony
He's an interviewer. He has to cross examine the interviewee with the opposite point of view, and it does not indicate his own personal views. If he just agreed with her, it would be a really boring interview.
Privately, Mehdi may well agree with everything she's saying, but it's not his role to say so.
Germain is a real feminist
With all due respect, this was more an attack to German than a debate. The host tho? 🤦🏾♀️
Salima Saidy On a show called head to head the host was being confrontational? My oh my.
it is not a debate it is an interview
.....This is not Jimmy fallon
@@911beats lmao
If you watch mehdi hassan regularly, you'll know he purposely plays the opposite side to give the guest a platform
The interviewer only wants a yes or a no answer.
he wanted yes or no answers to questions that were phrased with negative assumptions
Mehdi I really admire your work but you have allow your guests speak, it feels more like prosecution than an engagement
time barrier
It is a debate not an engagement.
He is a very angry person.Just say it as it is.
No point...he nvr allows his guest to complete his or her sentence in most cases
@@nancykennedy7703 This is not how debating works Honey.
Oh and now Mehdi is an expert on this as well I love watching him but he is frikkin rude sometimes, you Mehdi are not always right either!
23:09 The camera person gets the more expressive, revealing facial expressions! I love it!
😅
What a disrespectful interviewer. She was right to barely shake his hand at the end.
2021 and nothing changed. Well done MeToo. :Þ
This is terribly moderated. He asks a question and then doesn't allow a full answer. He is being abusive to these women to discredit them as usual. How can I judge their answer if I don't hear it. I want to hear the complete answer.
you get the picture?
short answer - yes
long answer - yes, it has
11.24 : "wait on, dear [boy]"....Mehdi Hasan should be very ashame for this. What a uncapable interviewer.
Germaine is so right with everything she says.
17:30 psychological damage is far more permanent than most physical damage.
Mehdi needs to shut up for just one full minute!
48:09 One COULD simply look at the end, where Greer says, if they win, I'll cheer, and Hassan says, "on that very negative note..", and know much of what there is to know about this whole proceeding.
But you would miss out on gems like the fansplaining at 42:00, where Greer is told what her book is SUPPOSED to mean.
Contrarian fits this woman perfectly, but as a psychologist and as an intellectual she is well equipped to resist and protect her beliefs and assumptions. So with such educator and expert on our psyche, no wonder why we are in such a mess.
If a "metoo" accusation came up today, I automatically assume its fake.
Congratulations.
Loved Germaine in this debate. Hasan, the host, criticises her for not being direct with her opinions but ethics and morality are fluid in nature and all problems need to be looked at from a series of angles.
Honestly, I think she handled his arrogant hosting very well.
Thats because you are a moron.
" you dont have to listen to me at all" 👏👏👏
Respect for this old women. Her views maybe disagreeable, but she has a strong characteristic, and a person of ideals are always admireable.
23:38 it's called nuance.
Mehdi should have some respect for an icon..he is just an interviewer!
What an awful interviewer. He wasn't interested in having a conversation, he wanted to shame a woman who regardless of how you feel about her, has devoted her professional life to highlighting feminist issues. I don't understand all this anger towards her. I don't understand why this interviewer thought it was appropriate to interrogate, bate and scoff at everything she said. I am interested in seeing how the MeToo narrative develops, I didn't get to see that. There were instances where she was being thoughtful and taking her time to answer difficult questions. The interviewer seemed to take great pride in pouncing on her while she worked her way through an issue. She intellectually outclassed him and he responded by throwing loaded, damning, reductive questions, which made him look desperate. Also, all those Cheshire cat grins came across mean spirited, unprofessional and creepy.
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