Terrorists or Freedom fighters? | Head to Head
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- During the conflict in Northern Ireland, the Irish Republican Army (IRA) was branded a terrorist organisation by the British government. The Republican fighters, however, saw themselves as a legitimate army fighting against the British occupation. It was a classic case of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".
In this episode of Head to Head , Mehdi Hasan challenges Martin McGuinness, the elected deputy first minister of Northern Ireland and a former commander of the IRA, on his violent past; on why he sees himself as a man of peace; and on whether the Northern Irish Peace Process has lessons for other conflicts around the world.
McGuinness also argues for the importance of negotiations and talking to the enemy as the most effective way of ending conflict.
So, is violence ever justified? And when is it time to speak to the enemy?
Joining our discussion are: Professor Louise Richardson, a global terrorism expert and vice chancellor of St. Andrews University; Dr. Azzam Tamimi, the author of Hamas: A History from Within, and Charlie Wolf, an American political commentator.
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This doesn’t feel remotely like a discussion, it feels so one sided, they don’t seem to have any interest in listening to what the Ex-IRA member has to stay.
It's an interview mate, not a discussion.
I want to see the people being interviewed grilled. No point in giving soft balls. i say that as an Irishman. Mehdi is a great interviewer.
He only an ex member because he's dead!
@the gun man Up the Ra!!! Some name you have there mate The gun man😂😂😂
They invited the IRA guy for one reason.
Politics is a war without bloodshed, and the war is politics with bloodshed.
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Well then, you can imagine the consequences when both are merged.
@@davidsalcido383 I mean I hate both USA government and the israeli government but why jews?
“And now CONSERVATISM is Brown Shirt Nazism without Swatzikas!!!” 🦍💀🐀💀🦇💀🐀💀🔯💀⚛️💀⚰️💀🔪💀🪖
@@davidsalcido383 swastikas are cool.
Too bad nazis ruined them
it was war and he was on the other side. you don't see them grilling a british commander with the same questions.
Exactly my friend
As Martin McGuinness said you're talking about a conflict that had been going on for eight centuries.... he realized that after 30 years of fighting it was going nowhere & decided to stand down... no more bloodshed...
No after the hunger strikes republicans realised they cud achieve there aims through the ballot box
That is true but it is important to note that without that armed struggle that he and others engaged in, there wouldn't been a negotiation and peace process. Invaders and occupiers will not one day decide to come to the negotiating table just because they have an epiphany of my oppression and occupation of your land is evil and wrong.
@@Bavafa1 There's no debating the importance of the armed struggle & the impact it had on the peace process... even though that wasn't the ultimate goal of the Republican Movement.... but it had to end.... I understand there are many who still weren't in favor of the peace agreement....
@@ogrebattle22763 In that we are in total agreement.
HE WAS NOT A REAL REPUBLICAN
Ireland ❤️ palestine
We stand with our Palestinian comrades! ❤️ Determination ALWAYS overcomes the horrors Imperialism stand strong! 🇮🇪✊🇵🇸
Shoulder to shoulder 👊👊
Who gave the British right to have BALFOUR agreement in 18th Nov, 1918 to create a Israel state. ? Why did British left like a theif in the dark ans illegal transform of power. British tagged Indians as terrorist during their rule? who gave west right to decide who isna terrorist.
+ Inherent Emporer The British defeated the Turkish-Ottoman empire in 1917 and took temporary control of Palestine by a mandate approved by the then League of Nations. It granted a provision to allow Jews to co-exist with the Palestinians. More is available on the development since then if you google it.
Inherent Emperor There is more involved in the politics than the simplicity you expressed. You can read many different accounts of it instead of what you might believe you've been taught.
+Fred Lewis I have told u the concise truth, simple and as that ita westerners to hide their hypocrisy come up stuff to libel facts.
+Fred Lewis What else can be a different account? From 1190 ad until 1922 it was under Muslim rule.
Inherent Emperor I understand the history of the Ottoman empire and by the way, it wasn't until the early 14th century that the Ottoman empire truly unfolded after Osman. It's beginnings may have been a few centuries before that but the recognized time frame places the Ottoman empire around 1430ish. A bunch of nomadic groups parading around trying to establish Muslim unity does not imply an Empire. With the British victory in 1917 not 1918 as you insist, it was then under British rule and the tolerance to accept jews among the palestinians was mandated. Seems pretty simple to me. The violence of insurgence and opposition to governments is recorded in history since the beginning of time. A great deal of carnage was exacted by the pre-Ottoman/Byzantine period. You shouldn't cast stones unless you're innocent. What exactly are you trying to acheive by pondering insignificant historical facts. Who gave them the right to what? The British acheived that right in their victory. And where do you get they 'rented' anything?
A soldier and a statesman. Respect Martin.
haha you know he was a british agent?
@@ThePhoneBook123ABC British agents said he was a British agent. Yes, of course I believe them you silly person🤣🤣🤣
This man was a true patriot
Correct. 800 years of occupation to fight for his land, to take on the British Army head on. It is almost inconceivable without Martin’s work to call a cease fire. He is the reason there is peace. Nelson Mandela killed many a white occupier but does he get the back draft like the soldier and patriot Martin does? It was all worthwhile as Irish unity is now in process. 🇮🇪
@@sts3884 very well said mo chara, Martin was and always will be an Irish hero and when we are United free it’s people like Martin who we will think of 🇮🇪
@@aaronfinnegan8198 go raibh maith agat. 🍀
Im so by you!!
The Irish ja have any right to Fight for freedom and humanrights. Go on Brothers.
Brits practiced their skills in colonialism with the Irish first and then soread across the world...the colonial history of England began eoth Elizabeth I.
Yes, the English had been in Ireland for centuries, but it was in Elizabeths reign that the systematic policy of 'plantation', wholesale settling of a foreign population to displace natives was implemented. Their methods - A two tier legal system, theft of land, famine and ethnic cleansing - was used as a blueprint for settler colonial enterprises around the world based on the Irish 'experiment'
God bless you Martin McGuinness. Freedom fighter 💚🇮🇪
@Jack: the film fanatic tbf though, the ira did what they did because Catholics were being heavily discriminated in all aspects of life back then and we're not given equal rights. They had peaceful protests and the police brutally beat the protesters and the uvf and uda formed to stop the protestors and killed a load of Catholics. The ira formed to stop all of this
As a Chechen I respect the Irish; they put up a good fight for their freedom against the occupying forces of Britain.
He was a terrorist and killed people, no decent person can support that.
@georgerickman9314 your famous British army has killed millions of innocent children, so let's call the. Terrorists.
The Fighter for Independence. RIP
no terrorists
@@CloroxBleach-zy6yk No, you are saying this beacuse you are imperialist
@Dod o So then he hates Britain and the US?
@@ModernHistory1 Not supporting a system does not equate with hate, that a strategy of imperialism.
RIP Mr McGuinness.
shaunone A cowardly murderer. Does a cold blooded killer of innocents, women, children etc deserve to rest in peace ?
@@billymcbeath7018 idiot
@@billymcbeath7018 A murderer who found a path to peace and met the Queen. Spare me your crude sanctimony.
@@nickright7747 it’s called reactionary violence and is justified after 800 years of oppression.
@@nickright7747 and you are naive to think that the British government wasn't involved and directly responsible for taking innocents and civilians on a genocidal scale! Millions mate , if Martin has blood on his hands multiply it by seven figures , their innocent civilian body count is off the charts.. hands dripping in blood
Terrorism is the army of the oppressed created by state terrorism. As this video shows once the British state admitted it was part of (if not the whole) the problem, terrorism in NI stopped and peace was restored.
Even the UN has failed to agree on the definition of terrorism and remains undefined.
@@garyfletcher1910 and native irish nationalists/republicans have lived in the north of ireland for over over 10,000 years, british planters and colonists aren’t welcome
@@garyfletcher1910 and the irish in the North lived there for 1000 years more than the loyalist colonists.
No, terrorism is violence that does illegals, heinous stuff and especially harms innocents.
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The Irish were oppressed and they fought back, what do you expect and why is he being attacked?
bodhi dixon because it’s terrorism, inflicting harm on others to get what you want.
@@rabbiconduit4835 Just like any military from any country does🤷♂️
Oppressed, when we were free we turned into a backward kip till we joined the EEC.......oppressed my hole
The IRA have got the good Friday agreement and stood down, it was simply about freedom. British people complain about immigration every day yet they have a group of 500,000 immigrants in Ireland that try and spread their culture against the will of the natives, exactly what Islam is doing to Britain.
@@peterfitzgerald7734 the eu is a trading union yes you can get fined for stuff like major polution we are not opressed by the eu ffs
he died today may his soul rest in peace
@Eshaan Billing wow are you still taking your medication?
@@jackietreehorn5561 ?
@@ModernHistory1 obvious deleted comment
@@jackietreehorn5561 not really, seems like a response a butthurt brit would say
@@ModernHistory1 butthurt?? Lmao which government has control over Northern Ireland
Interesting and informative interview/ debate. Head to Head is good for that. However, it felt a little sanitised to the point of censored by the way it was cut and edited every time the conversation bordered on becoming heated.
Ira aren't terrorists is swear on my heart. They are fighting for freedom and avenging our ancestors who were slaughtered by British army men for years
Huh? They use intentional violence to convey their political message. The definition of terrorism. And "avenging our ancestors who were slaughtered by British army men for years" By killing innocent citizens?
@@bosnia7429 u calling goerge Washington a terrorist cuz its the same thing
@@conorgilsenan3821 The IRA are terrorists
@@bosnia7429 so are the British army then
@@bosnia7429 the British army killed many innocent civilians. Why tf is it ok when they do it
Mcguinness seems to be very polite and answering all of Hasan's questions in a very respectful way, but Hasan is just being so combative and almost rude at some points that it's hard to even take his side seriously in comparison to Mcguinness
The show is called Head to Head. It's in the same vein as Hard Talk where the host is purposefully antagonistic towards the person being interviewed. That's just the format of the show.
Who is a terrorist. One who resists oppression or tyranny is not a terrorist because he may be struggling for his liberation as is the case with all the liberation movements. However, one who tries to change the opinions of others on the strength of force qualifies as a terrorist.
S Zaf “Amen!” Viva ‘El Che!’ Viva la revolution!!!”
S Zaf: ‘This is the case when you see the WAR ADDICTED CRIMINAL Jew’s and their ZioNazi behavior in Palestine/Gaza. 🇵🇸
Car bombing civilians is terrorism
This is maybe the most relevant discussion of the series to what is happening in global politics at this moment in time
These people have totally forgotten about the ruc siege of derry, the pogroms in belfast, the ruc murders before there was even PIRA
First child killed in the conflict was from ruc heavy machine gun fire
Prof.Richardson was insulting with her subtext phrases anyone who know the language hears clearly and certainly on retainer by Crown forces. Didn't t say a truth until 34 minutes in and praised the British spy nest in Belfast. Then follows with a lie trying to distance Britain from Chilean and Argentine death squads. Everyone in Tyrone knows better. Fermangh and parts of Armagh too. State operated Sectarian death squads Mi5/RUC/LVF, UVF & UDR for bothersome non combatant Irishcitizens and SAS & Force Recon murder units for Volunteers on ASU.
R.I.P. Patrick R.
And dont forget the MRF
I wish I understood the situation better, but why can't the world just leave Palestine and let them be?
Nume Moon
they are getting the land for free
so as long as they think they are above the law they will continue to steal land and kill their original owners
Ahmad El-Hindi From what I've read in various Wiki articles on the region's history, I'm still not quite clear how Israel's borders were formed in the mid-1900s and why this was so controversial to Arabs. I guess my main question is _why do Arabs even want the land?_ Is it because of resources? Was the land forced from them?
Nume Moon
the land of Palestine belonged to the Arabs for nearly 1300 years and its people have been arabs for so long and 95 or more of the Israeli Jews are colonists from europe that came to the area in the mid 1900s and they basically built their homes on top of the ashes of the native owners of the land
and it has been a ongoing struggle since then
on one hand the Palestinians demanding their land back and the Israelis Just want to take the rest of it
Nume Moon
I recommend that you watch the other head to head episodes featuring some Israeli figures talking about the issues and there is another episode featuring saeb oraiqat ( a Palestinian leader ) and there is another episode with an american ex head of negotiations between the two sides saying that it doesn't matter what israel does or who is right or wrong because they will always support Israel no matter what
I guess these episodes should give you a good amount of information on what is going on in the area
Ahmad El-Hindi Thank you! I'll try to give this more time when I have some to spare. :)
I just can’t grasp how idiotic some people are. Like how hard is it to understand that brutalizing men women and children, while leaving them no means to seriously end that brutalizations diplomatically, means that the only means to end it are violence and rebellion? Did they not hear the man? They were shooting innocent Irish people, but are the the Irish people supposed to do? Just keep letting them get shot and colonized? Why don’t they keep calling the British brutality terrorism? It seems it’s true? Attacking innocent non combative Irish people too? Too the napalm and agent orange like the US were terrorists. And how they wouldn’t let the topic of American terrorism be talked about “get back on topic” is this not a debate about the definition of terrorism an it’s contradictory definition and use.
100% agree with you. It's all about setting the narrative. Powerful countries create narratives to forward the geopolitical goals and will use propaganda (such as the labelling of resistance "Terrorists") as tools.
I will have to defend mehdi on the American terrorism as that tangent would take up too much time. We both know the insane amount of war crimes the "greatest country in the world" has committed.
The English guy talking about Martin McGuinness giving up the names of those responsible for the Omagh bombing, it was done by a breakaway group that has nothing to do with McGuinness. Sinn Fein and the PIRA condemned it, so i don't know how he's supposed to know who did it when it had nothing to do with him. 60% of those killed in the North were by Republicans, 40% was by British security forces and Loyalist Paramilitaries who we now know were often directed by British Intelligence. Percentage wise the figure when you add in all the dead from Loyalist bombings in the South also with British collusion it becomes more 50/50. Also whilst over 53% of IRA killings were of British Security Forces, 35% were civilians whilst 52% of the British Army killings were civilians, 42% were Republicans, no surprise very few Loyalist Paramilitaries are killed by the Security Forces. There is no right or wrong about death, but i get the distinct impression this guy views kids being shot by the British Army as accidents but civilian deaths by the IRA as deliberate but as usual things are never as clear as that, for example the bomb at the Enniskillen War Memorial, there is evidence British Intelligence were aware of it and let it explode knowing it would hurt the IRA in the propaganda war. Lets just hope there's never a return to the violence and that its governed by all people rather than the horrible bigoted sectarian state that it was.
This is a misread of statistics. The British army killed a higher proportion of civilians WHEN it engaged in conflict, which was rarely. The PIRA by contrast was more active in the direct killing of civilians, and blew the British army out of the water in terms of its death toll. Most enquiries such as the Sutton enquiry have estimated collusion to raise the British army share of civilian deaths to 10% of the total vs 50% Loyalist and 40% Republican
the measure of a revolutionary is not his ability to kill, but rather his willingness to die.
Zapata, .. would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!
Good conversation. These are tough discussions about war, terrorism and human rights.
notice how that american lad was shivering
Good interview very smart people !!!
Political violence is absolutely justifiable when you are oppressed and suffer from ethnic discrimination.
As the Catholic Irish were.
My pappy don was IRA and fought for Irish Freedom!
Medhi's rhetoric is very irritating, it doesnt sound like he is trying to make a point of anything at all, but rather to make points and have them justified by laughs. He is so quick to jab at specific topics and if he doesnt hear what he wants, he interrupts and twists words into what they are not. He's not very good at what he is supposed to do (interviewing) but good at promoting his own agenda rather than the actual topic.
Fairly sure its a debate👍
@@randellorton4643 a little late Randell
@@49alemanelena but he's right, it was a debate, medhi was supposed to question mcguinness
I like how everyone sits down and debates and doesn’t shout at each other and not hear the other side out but I wish just like Nelson Mandela and other freedom fighters this man’s story would be told in schools
So you all know all of us from Norn Iron on both sides love the word 'situation' and will use any situation to say situation in any situation we can get our word situation in, a situation may arise where using situation might seem odd but we will even use that situation to get the word situation in there in that particular situation, hope you are all well in whatever situation you are in and as an Irish catholic from Norn Iron I will put this 🇮🇪🙏🇬🇧
Stop saying Norn Iron ffs shake ya head lad
12:26-13:23!
28:26-28:55.
41:58-42:29! YES! This is the best point of this whole debate!
I am glad other factions in struggle were there to see and learn and to be learned from about why these conflicts happen! The Irish and the Palestinians have the same problem but went about it differently! This was an excellent discussion!!!!!
One country’s crimes do not justify your own. Terrorism is terrorism
Literally anyone can use that phrase so
What came first the chicken or the egg?
Laughs in Afghanistan and Iraq
Why did you cut the video in weird places?
Lost a lot of respect for Medhi in this interview, the Provisional IRA, despite the anecdotes he pulls out, did not target civilians, whereas the British army and loyalist paramilitaries primarily targeted civilians.
@31:19 In all my research I have never come across a more sensible method for ameliorating the issue of Islamic "terrorism".
Mahdi, How about calling Tony Blair and getting head to head on Iraq Flase flag for WMDs?
There is a new term emerged in the international politics, both social and intellectual platform, which has attracted the attention of intellectuals, politicians and sociologists. This term has become the center of a global debate. This is the term 'terrorism'. Different individuals and groups have tried to define this term, and gave each a different definition. Although they have had disagreements about its meaning, yet they are met with one aspect, and that is that there is no clear and specific definition. In his book "Political terrorism" Alex Schmid says: "Terrorism is an abstract concept which has no essence" Jonathan R.White writes in his book "Terrorism: An introduction" the following: there does not seem to exist only specific definition that meets the broad interpretation what terrorism means "Judge Baxter says in his book" a skeptical look at the concept of terrorism "that" this is an inaccurate term, it is paradoxical and, moreover, not intended for operative legitimate purposes "Alex Obote -Odara concludes in his book "defining international terrorism" that:. the definition of terrorism has failed in the international community, the question is: why has the international community failed to define this word, while terrorism is fought with all the power we got, so as to maintain "peace" in society... well the answer is:
1: The controversy of Western states hampered the definition of terrorism. The international interests of the United States, are in most cases not match with England and France, therefore, is for example, the I.R.A. a terrorist organization seen from the English point of view, and a liberation movement according to the U.S.
2: The lack of clarity of this term is better for the west than the clarity and precision of it, because its specification would limit the West, when she would unacceptable - penalize individual, group or country - according to him.
UP THE ‘RA!
22:25 exactly what I was thinking whenever the British or American contributors dismissed the Irish or the Palestinian men. They will never be able to comprehend their point of view fully because they were never put through what they were
Man said he fought against the British army 🤣😂 absolute legend
@Aidan Ford he fought the British army
Hundreds of people where I'm from and many in my family did as well,
He Wii be in paradise now with 72 Irish virgins ,they will either be very young or very old spinsters , probably won't bother Martin ,friend of Gerry Adams brother !
Awesome mehdi hassan! Great work brother!
34:25. Is that a portrait of Benazir Bhutto in the background ?
The RAF bombed weddings, Flocks of Sheep , Water Towers, Fishermans jetties and boats,
When a journalist phoned the MoD to ask "WHY the RAF were bombing flocks of sheep in Afghanistan" , she was put on hold and eventually told "The RAF reserves the right to use force if threatened"
Basically they had a quota of sorties they had to fly each day.
"There are no more viable targets left to bomb in Afghanistan" (MoD)
So , basically they bombed anything that they could aim at.
Here, the interviewer is asking him about bombings by name
The difference between bombing from 30,000 feet and putting the bomb there by hand , is that its guaranteed to go off where it was intended , almost always with weeks of planning and forethought.
B-52s belched out 9 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, on Viets in Vietnam.
There is a gross distortion of perspective.
Which has more "terror" ? a man with a rifle who knows exactly why he is fighting ? or area bombing of your city ?
You could write the names of dead children in N.I on one page.
Over 200,000 just under 5 are dead from US/UK policies in Iraq (2001 to 2003)
The full number of dead was predicted to be 1.5 million.
We are talking over 3000 in 35 years in N.I.
If the I R A ever deliberately targeted children then they really made a balls of it.
For some reason the British Army found them perfectly good for cover-- Thats a glaring contradiction.
The Standard Procedure of patrolling in cities *relied* on the unwillingness of the I R A to put civilians at risk.
They did directly target children in Warrington, the warning wasn't given for the blast. The problem generally is that people who criticise (rightly) the disgrace of Iraq and Afghanistan when talking about NI are using it to justify the terrorism of the PIRA
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Tell me what theyd achieve from targeting children ?
They never targetted children.
No, People condemn the IRA for a bomb, when their own governments rain down bombs without any warning on innocent populations.
They dont use it to justify the I R A . They use it to show the utter hypocrisy of accusing a legitimate Movement of using a highly discriminate tactics , which most militaries are unable to do.
It was a policy ;
It was called "Criminalisation"
They were not considered "criminals" in the Irish war of independence.
Some people are brave enough to resist
Thank you so much
It was a difficult journey that he took.
5:10 "why did u do it" ur British doesn't that mean u were involved in the murderin of Catholics. No it doesn't. This man was in prison when that happened how dare u blame him for that
He asked him why he did it because Mcguinness was a commander within the IRA and it was the IRA who carried out the Bombing in question. He didn't ask him just because he was irish or Catholic.
Who is this man conducting the interview? Where is he from? He sounds like a British person
Freedom fighters.
Love the accent.
Ikr. I can't take him seriously.
That's a Derry accent!
@@hmm7783 why? Lol
@@jackietreehorn5561it's almost comical. Like the exaggerated accents people at SNL do.
Hmm - Not really, just a northern irish accent
It's difficult to track down terrorism's origins. If bombing a bus of children, then did they do it because their own children were targeted once, what retaliation was going on in something like that? The Native Americans were not an armed force so then is that suppose to make them terrorists just because they weren't a military force then? The Native Americans did not target children either but U.S. Soldiers did target Native American Children. The U.S. soldier was a military force even at that time comparability. Professor Louis Richardson said that terrorism only revolves around those that were not able to deal with things in a larger scale so they use tactics to be able to wage revenge as such. Terrorism too can be even in education, where the terrorist will lie and say things like, 'a terrorists are only people who have no army and weaponry', such a statement is a bigot statement. Terrorism is not the size of an army, it's the motives involved, and there is always a religion behind it.
At the end of the day no matter u r terrorist or freedom fighters we are just human beings
We are a complicated species
Terrorists are Islamic extremists like Al Qaeda mainly but IRA PLO HAMAS UVF and UDA are terrorists and freedom fighteers to an extent.
Well done Martin and Mehdi 👏
Who killed more the British or the Irish? Lets go worldwide who killed more the British or Irish?
"Sounds like a school yard argument" as opposed to flying planes into two buildings killing more in minutes than the entire conflict in Northern Ireland.
Mehdi seems to think British soldiers gunning down Irish people in the streets is no big deal
Political violence should only be used as a method when all other methods have failed or are impossible to do
I hate how people laugh Scoff and point at the IRA for being a “terrorist organization” yet we forgot to examine the whole dam reason they had to form. The British carried those same exact acts and worse, the IRA was simply a defense. As an American I’m sure I do not understand the full scope and effects and while I do agree that it’s disgusting that innocent people died. I do also look at my own history. My founding fathers didn’t win independence by using peace. We tried but ultimately we needed to use force and at some point that was the minority viewpoint. It’s a disgusting reality but one we must deal with and examine with a critical eye. If the IRA was a Terrorist organization than the British government was also a terrorist organization. The founding fathers were terrorist. Also I want to just say whatever side you agree with you have to admit this whole thing was definitely trying to degrade to two gentle mr McGuire de and the Palestinian gentlemen.
The ira did not take prisoners, they did not act under the conventions of war yet they wanted to be viewed as a non-terrorist organisation. Due to Americanism you will always be biased but if the British army was not sent it then many many more people would have died. The British actually help decrease the violence caused by loyalists through making them target republican ira targets and using informants to stop them killing civilians at the rate they were in the 70s.
Additionally, did the American patriots massacre civilians? I think people like you view the Irish struggle almost romantically and ignore the reality of the ira and the means through it tried to achieve its goals!
You should look at the honeymoon period, when the catholics welcomed the British army to protect them. If the brits never created Northern Ireland then the unionists would have created a reverse ira, and if you say well it’s the brits who created the plantations well, you would have to use ethnic cleansing to reverse that!
@@q11q40 the native American people would disagree with you on your killing civilians not to mention a whole race
@@q11q40 actually the American struggle unfortunately did kill civilians. Many British civilians and loyalists who we would have seen as innocent civilians were killed. I’m not defending that at all it’s disgusting just simply telling the harsh reality.
Mehdi was not fair at all. So hard on Martin, and soft on the Hamas guy. Why is that Mehdi?
Exactly, clear for all to see
It’s absolutely regrettable but people cannot ever accept to be occupied subjugated or kicked out of their land.
They view this as the most important thing ever so they do cruel act. Cruel act that are a reflection of the occupation.
Let’s look at what the British did in this situation in NI.
Rest In Peace to this freedom fighter he was no terrorist
freedom fighters not terrorist .
Wait so ! The British just came to Ireland ti establish britush rule on land that was NOT theirs. Before the "IRA" was set uo yhe British were slaughtering innocent people woman and kids. So the normal people of Ireland get together and fight back to win control over their own country so they are labeled "terrorists" . Okay let's just sit back give our land to the British. Unbelievable. I am irish , and one of my best friends is English. My two aunt's are married to two great English men who we love they are great men. So im not Irish -vs- English here. But it all makes sense to me to why the IRA did what they did. Sad situation altogether to all the innocent people who lost their lives Irish and English lord rest their innocent souls.
At 13:07 the Palestinian man said the truth
Asadulloh EL Khoshimiy I DON'T TAKE NO ONE'S SIDE THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH HOME EVER FITS THE DEFINITION OF A TERRORIST WELL SO BE IT SIMPLE
Jesse Brennan what Palestinian attacks in Europe?
@Jesse Brennan but Europes attacks in Palestine are??? As a European im ashamed at what we have dome especially the British
@Jesse Brennan look im not very up to date with any Palestine conflict but all i no is that the British have caused genocide there as well as in my country. So i will always hate the British until i get an official apologie abd the 6 countys back
Good interviewer. He asks pressing and difficult to answer questions like any good interviewer should.
No, he doesn't.
No i he goes back to the same point over and over again to try to catch out the person he's interviewing so that he can stage them as a terrible person because of his own political agenda. He deosnt have any willingness to listen to the other side, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. As well as he hasn't been in war or hasn't ever had his people oppressed by a foreign power, so he deosnt understand the retaliation that was took at the time.
Look at Mehdi!...he is so polite, comprehending and feeling a sense of satisfaction. Actually he is getting to hear what he wants to listen and pleased that someone justifying issues that he is been protective about
"United States doesn't target innocent civilians." 😂 Gtfo
Big amount of respect to Palestine from Ireland
I love how this was a out right one sided,this guy totally dismissed the killing of the British military such a disgusting use of journalism.
The British army were in the wrong but he’s proving the point that the IRA weren’t freedom fighters they were in fact terrorists
And when did medhi even dismiss killings by the British army?
@@jackfleming5573 Terrorism can be a tactic utilized by freedom fighters, that's Martins point.
If the ira can kill civilians then why can’t the military?
@@jackfleming5573 they had to become terrorists to then fight even worse terrorists
blair should be done for war crimes
And the rest
Hate the fact that Mehdi Hasan is going for laughter in the audience rather then having a serious questioning...
His interviews are just designed to raise his profile and get himself over with the audience.
Yes extremely annoying and should not have been the man leading this audience
Son of Ireland. RIP Martin
I don't know why journalists like shielding America?
The British did inhumane things to the irish
This man gives a great exoantion. He is NOT A TERRORISTC
Rest i peace, freedom fighter.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist !
Tiocfaidh ár lá
the first guy in the crowed that spoke looks like the main cop from The Departed movie...
24.32 yep Martin was right. War solves nothing. Talking does, but only if both sides agree to negotiate the issues.
The lady who writes a book on terrorism thinks she knows so much about terrorism and the terror they created but slowly after flow of coversation seems to understand her limitations. This is how live debates reflect direct results
She sat comfortable watching it from a distance
well done martin sorry u are gone
RIP Martin so well spoken.
MMMMM
Rip
Martin can help understand the entire concept of 'terrorism'.
why ppl call terrorist when they try to defense there home land there freedoms there own family. when try to take over there land n killing there family. that doesn't make no sent. who is the terrorists?
The IRA and other participants in the troubles.
I really don’t want to be put on a terrorist Watchlist
Men like Martin felt they had no choice but to fight to protect their communities , he and others gave their whole adult lives to the struggle for equality, in a society that treated them as second class citizens. Did they make mistakes and do things they regret, I've no doubt, but If the ira didn't fight back and stand up to the British government would nationalists in the North still be treated as second class citizens today ?? The history of the British in Ireland would suggest they would be. R.i.p Martin a true son of Éireann .
Long live the memory of oglaigh Martin McGuiness.
An Arab allowed to immigrate to England who most likely has a different opinion of Israel arguing about who is an a terrorist... ironic
The woman who's the 'expert' knows nothing, she's looked at stats not people, if your country was occupied would you not fight back? I would and will.
40:33 was that reply at all relevant 🤣🤣🤣 should have got Gezza Adams
I truly do like Mehdi Hasan, and I think very highly of his skills as a journalist, but it is very hard - as a former commander in a freedom fighter group like the IRA - to have a discussion with a man like Mehdi, who has never been to war. It's difficult to explain what happens in armed conflict. You may not like the fact that innocent people are executed in car bombings etc. but explaining to someone who has never fought in armed conflict that it's a necessary evil to achieve something greater than all of us, they will just never understand.
I abhor war in every way, shape or form. But as a minority I do understand the need to fight for something bigger than you that may make the future easier for the next generations.
Al Quaida sympathiser
explain why the Omagh bombing was justifiable, or the murder of Robert McCartney
@@stordoy they were not provisionals....they were criminal
@@jackietreehorn5561 then why did the IRA cover it up
@@stordoy they weren't the republican movement as I said, they were rejects, if anyone the ruc ni police force covered it up, a rotten aparteid force, just watch the documentary about the loughinisland massacre, a prime example, the killers who massacred six people were protected from prosecution and the journalists who exposed the killers in 2018 were arrested for doing it...the word Gestapo springs to mind and that was only recently discovered
This interviewer, has he ever interviewed the government?
It is a relative thing. Depends upon which side you are.
No. It depends how honest you are willing to approach the situation. That will decide if you have any integrity. Perspective is useless unless all perspectives are viewed, tha leads to comprehension. Anything else is subterfuge and distortion
Nothing weak about Martin McGuinness RIP Go raibh maith agat as do cheannaireacht Martin
MEHDI JUST ALLOW THE CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN
In a conflict there will be collateral damage
one thing can trigger anything.... Nationalism.
Ammar Hanafi it wasn’t bout money but i guess u could say it was about power