Immigration: How much is too much? | Head to Head
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- In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges Sir Paul Collier, the former head of Development Research at the World Bank, author of Exodus: Immigration and Multiculturalism, and professor at Oxford University, on the costs and benefits of migration.
Collier tells Hasan that he is not "advocating stopping migration" but that "too much diversity" leads to an erosion of cooperation in societies that "shows up in much lower levels of trust".
We explore whether increased migration threatens social cohesion, and ask: Does emigration help or hurt developing countries? Are stricter border controls needed? And what about refugees?
Joining the discussion are:
David Goodhart, author of the book The British Dream
Philippe Legrain, economist and author of the book Immigrants: Your Country Needs Them.
Titilola Banjoko, British-Nigerian doctor and advisor to the EU and the UN on migration issues
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As an Indigenous Australian we have been having problems with boat people for the last 227 years and we are the minority. we are ignored and are treated as sub human and have little to no rights .
+Henry Darr Yes you are having problems for 227 years with boat people. That is why British people should stand up for themselves. You are not ignored. The government of Australia recognizes you. The people do as well. You have special laws for you. The Cornish are ignored in the UK. The rest of the whites do not have special laws for them in the UK. You have more rights than white Australians Abstudy. You can hunt and fish you have places in Australia no white man is allowed.
Depends on where you live for hunting , and being educated , it's still hard to find full time employment . Btw are you indigenous ?
By Mehdi's definition yes. What do you think about that? There are parts of my ancestry that I cannot trace to outside of Australia. So only God knows. But by mine I am British. I blame welfare for the problems of Aboriginals. It has destroyed a large number of you and is now destroying the white working class. I also blame free trade.
+Jersy Blafoski i blame the Government for not letting us decide what happens to our land ! it's time for them to pay the rent !
Thats the fate of indigenous white europeans as well.
6:22 he's trying so hard not to say "WHITE BRITONS" lmao
What a waste of skin he is.
39:36 here Mehdi shits his pants
this dood wrote a whole book just to convince himself he’s not a xenophobe
Lets be honest he was referring to whites when he said indigenous britain
+Gloria Yaomme it's not but a white of German descent can be indigenous British but a person of Indian descent cannot be? That's racist.
Yurii colour is immaterial its culture what counts. A blind man hearing a black man speak english would no no difference but hearing an arab soeak arabic would unsettle him. British blacks do not wish to turn Britain black but British muslims DO want to turn Britain muslim. Thats the crucial difference.
+Amee Gosar
Reality is racist. A biologically Northern European of German cultural extraction who is born in the Britsh Isles is by Nature closer to what it is to be British than someone from the Indian Sub-continent & those individual differences in their ability to integrate & assimilate to British culture are differences of Individuals not Cultures or Biological Ethnicities.
@Erich Guenter well I’m not an immigrant so I have no idea why your referring to me
Of course he was referring to whites. He looked very embarassed to admit it
Mehdi fucks up when he doesn't let people speak.
I wish that guy told mehdi to his face that he's not indigenous
I don't get why that's a controversial statement.
@@VermylionMusic l am from Australia and when l think of an indigionus English person this may be wrong to some people. But l don't care, obviously the Queen but people like DelBoy And Rodney from Only Fools And Horses
VermylionMusic because it’s not factual, let alone sensible.
John Fragka pretty much everything. “Indigenous” is a highly debatable term because of history and geography (that should be obvious) and because we have no actual way of determining who was first where. On the other hand, in today’s socio-political discourse, it’s insensitive to make such statements and I don’t think I need to explain why.
Why do they keep talking about money. There are more important things than money. Having a safe society is infinitely more important.
@Pieter Maas 😂 so true. Look at Maine and Vermont. And the obvious inference that refugees and immigrants are not SAFE. wow
I'm a Canadian born to Afghan parents and I support the professor's thesis. My mother's family fled from Kabul to Munich after the Soviet invasion. They went to German intensive school. My mother learned perfect German that locals thought she was born in Germany! They weren't hostile to German culture - they loved it and respect it, the architecture, the food, and the people. My uncle is obsessed with King Ludwig of Bavaria. Moreover they weren't overtly religious, especially in public... no one in my family wears the Hijab for example. They were thankful to the German state and its people for what they did for them along with many other Afghans who left during the late 70's early 80's. However the new wave of immigrants are having problems adapting and are hostile to the culture and norms of European society and I totally EMPATHIZE with Europeans and their aversion towards multiculturalism. Europeans have every right to protect the ethnic make up and culture of their state! But I plead that you take a more proactive stance against the foreign and military policies of the US so that Western Europe doesn't have to face the brunt of its consequences like a massive influx of immigrants.
Ich werde immer die deutsche Leute und Kultur lieben. Ich hoffe dass ich richtig geschrieben habe.
You can engage with me without resorting to personal attacks. Why am I so confused by the way? How am I confused?
I doubt you're Turkish "Abdul Taha". You're probably Arab given what's on your page. But that's irrelevant. My youtube account name is also irrelevant. My registered name in government documents is Persian. My religious identity isn't important to me either. I am not religious. My family are practising Muslims but they keep it to themselves. The statistics affirm that Muslims are the LEAST integrated in European society. Turks in Germany are the least integrated minority in Germany and most welfare recipients in Germany are Turks. If you want sources, I'll provide them for you. I'm glad your family has been able to build successful careers for themselves, most Muslims haven't. Culturally I identity mostly with Western culture: individualism, rule of law, civic engagement, secularism, its history and culture of philosophy and enlightenment thinking. Although I have never been to the East, I also take away from my Afghan heritage: Zoroaster, Rumi, Avicenna, Khwarizmi, respect for elders, food, etiquette, and public decency. I have every right to identify however I'd like. If I reject my parent's heritage, so what? Why should I be forced to embrace what I do not resonate with? Germany did more for Afghans fleeing the USSR than any wealthy Muslim country combined. What did our Muslim brothers do? Spread Salafism into Afghanistan, brainwash kids who joined the Taliban in madrassas in Pakistan, and turn a country that was modernizing and developing into a shithole.
Orthodox Jews tend to self-segregate anyways. So yes, they have problems integrating but it's not nearly as bad as Muslims.
But Ethan, is removing the hijab and loosing our afghani culture correct. I am an afghan whose parents too had to flee out of Afghanistan and was shocked when I visited Germany. The afghans have lost their identity completely. I see us sadly as a copy cat community...we simply copy people around us and make sure we don't stand out as 'weird' amongst others...loosing our precious religion in the way. Rather then getting others guided alongside us, we loose our own selves, ideologies and beliefs!! Turks as we ridicule are far better than us, they are steadfast to their cultures. I don't agree to them not attempting to learn the german language or befriending Germans but I do greatly salute them retaining their religious practices. They don't drink, gamble, wear like prostitutes ...take the good, leave the bad. Remember we will be answerable to Allah soon. I can't wait for this war to end so we can all go back to our sweet country. Wonder why the west thinks we love staying though.
Badria Mohd As an immigrant, we don´t have to loose our culture totally, but we have to adapt to the host country. If a woman goes to Saudi Arabia and wants to wear like in Europe, its not possible. There, every woman has to wear a black Niqab. I don´t have anything against Hijab. A Niqab in which a woman can´t even show her face is a no-go in any modern democratic country. Religion also should be a private affair, not something to show off in public. Things like muslim girls not allowed to take part in sports cannot be tolerated. Muslims generally have an integration problem in Europe where Hindus, Jews, Buddhists etc don´t have the same problem.
***** sorry, seems I gave the impression that I am an immigrant in a western country, rest in peace Claire I am not :)
***** our creator feeds us via whatever means HE wishes.
Honestly as a migrant-- I agree with a lot of what the Professor's saying here. He makes some incredibly valid that we can all take into account, I think and hope, without letting it fester into anti-immigrant, racist sentiments.
No he didn't he got owned
Why doesnt he talk about racism and immigration in arab countries. No way i could get citizenship there and get a job. But they DEMAND it from western countries.
Abdul Taha Arabs countries exist in north africa too... check the map.
Abdul Taha I don't know about Tunisia but we have immigrants here in Morocco. They come from around everywhere from africa, although lately most of them are syrian refugees. Most of them are those that we stopped along the years from crossing to europe but we didn't deport them(lately we do that given the insane increase of immigrants).They still ended up stuck here. Those that came from years ago, now they live among us, work and study with us, and yeah, we started developing racism towards the increasing immigrants.(Well more like dissatisfied comments behind their backs). Well that was about the second part of your sentence as for calais he didn't talk about calais so what was that about?
PS: Sorry for the bad grammar, I hope my text is still readable.
ali haiz tell me, when immigrants arrive in morocco does the government provide them and their families (if they have them) with a furnished house, money each week for food and for living, school for their children, health care and all that is free until they can or choose to start paid employment? I dont think that morocco even provides this for its own people. if immigrants arrived in europe and supported themselves without requiring anything from the state benefits system, then there probably would not be a growing concern about the whole issue. The fact is that currently there are millions of people in the middle east alone that qualify as asylum seekers and the european countries are not financially capable of taking them all in - and that would be the fair thing to do and not just take in those who are capable of getting here.
G4NoChallenge ok
Abdul Taha well we had immigrants for decades they gave birth to children those children also grew up now( and they are as much moroccan as the rest of us)
Seriously? He is a prof at oxford?
Here is my understanding of Collier's argument(s)....in simple English:
1. The influx of immigrants reaches a critical mass whereby integration/assimilation with the host country's mores and customs is hindered.
2.The more immigrants you let in with an open door policy, the more immigrants you get i.e.(legal immigrants filling for their families to relocate to the host country ), more illegal immigrants claiming dubious refugee claims and what not.
3. Because of (1.), the immigrants in the host country are alienated from the general populace because there is a large enough number of them that they largely interact with their own "group" without putting much effort into assimilating in the greater society. Mind you the host countries citizens are not obligated to be "nice" nor be "all welcoming" to every immigrant they encounter , they are not obliged to do that to their own countrymen nonetheless. It is the immigrants responsibility to assimilate, they chose to move to the host country, the host country didn't go looking for them in their native lands.
4.European countries share an overall common value system (axiology) though they have differing political and economic systems. It is much _easier_ for a Scandinavian to integrate in the U.K than it is for a Congolese. It takes longer for the Middle Eastern and Central African to assimilate as it is, then you compound that with more people who are from their own regions immigrating en mass to the host country. Here you don't have a "cool off" period when the former can assimilate before the latter can arrive in the host country. Most people like to take the path of least resistance, hence the immigrants will find it easier for them to live in their own enclaves than it is to venture out to a very dissimilar cultural system to their own.
I really enjoyed reading what you said. It's probably the most intelligent response here. Well thought out, including facts as well as highlighting relevant data and incorporating a philosophical value.
i am born in the Colony of Singapore and my birth certificate calls me a British Subject but not qualifies of my nationality. As the song goes "it's strange, strange world we live in Master Jack".
Because you are second class person to the white Anglo-Saxon British colonial master.
I am a Black man whose ancestors were originally in Africa but as many Black Africans were kidnapped and enslaved in the USA. I understand history and what has happened and will continuously work to improve my and our (Black people situation). My question is, What do these recent immigrants to the White European nations expect? I speak specifically about the Black Nigerian lady who considers herself to be now British and the Indian host of the show? Do these darker complexioned Brown and Black people just expect the White European to just roll over and give up their nation and culture to immigrants from these other Black and Brown nations. There is one subject that hasn't come up and that is "Genetic Annihilation" or "Genetic mutation." Why does everyone in the room pretend to not know what's happening? The real issue is missing from the conversation. To have a 47 minute program and not talk about it (Race and color) is quite dis-ingenuous. We are too old to play games with each other's time. I understand and accept White people wanting their own White Nations to remain White. Most of these other people of color I suspect suffer from "inferiority complexes."
your not a dusty African you're a israelite
i agree with this. i'm half indian and english and have nationalist views. europe should be predominantly white and africa black. this is heritage and culture and we must do what we can to preserve it. just like i will stick up for my english brethern i will support whites or the boers leaving south africa and handing their wealth and land back to the true natives.
as for north america and austrailia, more should be done to help the natives.
good luck with that mr half indian
ElectricQualia
good luck with what? whites don't belong in south africa.
***** They are good for SA because they improve their economy.
Unless blacks don't want them there, they should stay.
Where do you belong? India or England and why?
this is very interesting to watch in 2019- one can understand the apprehenison as well as the optimism from the speakers
Simply being born in the UK doesn't make you indigenous to it. I was born in Canada to a family with deep English and Scottish roots with some Norwegian and German traces as well and I am more indigenous to the UK than he is. I'm not saying this to make the interviewer to be a bad person. He is no more English than I am Japanese. He's a British in terms of citizenship but he isn't English or Scottish or Welsh or even Irish for that matter. One's place of birth does not determine one's ethnicity. I am English irregardless of my place of birth. Daniel Hannan was born in Peru and he's still an Englishman.
cheap populism by the host
Abdul Taha so do u agree with me?
Abdul Taha I am not sure about your statement, but it seems like we both agree about this one, so it is fine
bla ba
Why? Prove it...
Mega Drive not going to prove it, if u cant see it for yourself then u are just the type of mindless people this show is aimed for.
bla ba
You know the mind is like a parachute a proverb says. It functions well only when it's open. Meditate on this idiot.
The professor did a horrendous job explaining his own position... an "indigenous Briton" is someone who can say that Britain is his/her homeland. That his/her ancestry originates on the British Isles for many generations. Mr. Hasan knows what he means but plays dumb and watches the idiot professor squirm around for a while. Why have any shame admitting it?? Just be honest and say that ethnic British people do exist despite the PC police erasing that identity even in language.
As I understood ,the professor's own grandfather originates on Germany ,so does that make him an"indigenous Briton"?!!if not ,then would you specify how many generations back it takes to be one ?
@The505Guys OK, so now it's about geography, you can be British if your ancestors come from a European country?! Or west European country? But not otherwise even if you're born and raised in Britain. Your logic is very problematic, you say things like "just as British", are there different levels of citizenship in your constitution? Secondly, I come from an Arab country, however there are people from my country with names like Tony, Mike, or George, and there ancestors come from Armenia or Greece. We were born and raised in the same country, and went to the same school, by your logic, I have a some sort of higher status or honour that neither them nor their children can ever have. The only way to describe this reasoning is as an English would say "It is utter nonsense".btw, Germany and UK are closely related countries?! who would've thought?! Look man, I think that people who seek to have an inhirantly higher status than others in their own community are those who seek recognition and fail to get it on their own by working hard, or education, contributions to their society and whatnot.
@The505Guys So now we are clearly talking about race, and you're saying that they conditions to be British are :
1-being white : you used the term "my people" so if a coloured English citizen dies serving in your military , he would've died defending people that consider him to be less English than they are.That's quite interesting! Given that Britain once fought the nazis, who were also differentiating between people based on race!. You might not be asking to mass murder those that are Not 'your people', but how are you different otherwise?
2- your ancestors must be from Europe :
OK, so a white man whose grand parents were from the US can also never be as British as you are? I don't get it, for a moment there, it seemed like you're saying that the only indegenous British are those who are white and all their ancestors were born on British land (the size of which is something that is constantly changing) but that rule is broken when you are from Europe? Why?! No one would argue that US and UK are way closer allies than UK and Germany!. It's also interesting given that you've just left the EU. I genuinely would like to understand your rules. But this contradiction is blatantly obvious, don't you see it?!. This way you're own prime minister (with which you obviously have a lot in common) who's white and his ancestors come from Turkey is not actually British!
As for your Asia argument, it seems like you're mixing a country with a race. A country is land, border and people (not people of certain race, that died with the nazis). A race is a group of people sharing physical features (colour, nose shape, hair) No country in our time defines it self as country of a certain race, even though some Japanese guy might not see a white man born in Japan as Japanese, that does not make it right or logical to separate a society into your people and his people based of the shape of their noses!. That Japanese guy is simply WRONG!.
- you said that you do not define who your people are by what certain laws pertaining to citizenship may denote. Well, you're government does, and these laws are the scoial contract between your society and your government, your law makers were elected by your society, which means that English people don't agree your ideology.
The505Guys all of that is pure BS. Tradition tied to the culture one has grown up in and whose ancestors were there for a while, sure. But using this non-factual bullshit that some are trying to make into science when it doesn’t even fit a definition of “indigenous” is just pure evil towards people who have less agency to defend their human dignity in the face of right-leaning “natives”.
@@abdulsalamalmohamad3391 Whats your home country? If I move there and my wife gives birth to a nice little white boy, does than mean my boy is an indigenous Somalian, or Omani, or whatever. Of course it doesn't!
I felt sorry for the old man at the beginning he could hardly argue...
Professor pulled the I have black friends card
he was so intimidated by her
That's how you know he's racist
I couldn’t believe it LMAOOO
That guy is not British. He is either Pakistani or India. Just because I was born in Italy doesn't make me Italian, just a citizen of Italy. I have no Italian blood running through my body.
+51Saffron So Paul Collier (the interviewee) is not indigenous either, because he has German parents? Or because you are racist and as Paul Collier is white he can be British? In a standard definition, 'British' stands for someone who is born in Britain.
***** so if Mehdi renamed himself John Smith would you regard him as British? He is still of an Asian origin though according to ethno-Nationalists like you guys?
***** so what even was your point about Paul Collier being an Anglo name when it doesn't even matter for your judgement of whether a person is a Brit or not...cos a 'non-European' with an European name is still not a Brit.
And where does he say that he is selling out the 'indigenous population', which in itself is a flawed concept. Or do you assume that because you are a racist bigot.
***** I think you didn't understand what I meant what I said but it doesn't matter.
Again, there is no such thing as 'natives' because the white British are made up of several different races. In fact, a dictionary definition of 'native' is someone who is born there, i.e a native Londoner is not someone who has ancestors that have always resided in London, but someone who is born in London.
Can you give me an example in which Mehdi has done the things that you have strongly accused him of? (other than the fact that he isn't white, which is not a proper argument)
I don't quite understand your last paragraph, it doesn't really make sense. (just saying, research shows people with a lower IQ are also more likely to be racist/prejudiced, I wonder why?!)
***** White is not a race, it is an ethnicity. And I was saying that even the White British have significant mixes in their ancestry, so very rarely can people claim they are 'pure'.
He defends immigration because the economic argument works (not gonna debate this because it is - please research this urself). Immigration brings economic benefits and leads to growth, hence why the Conservatives are not too keen on reducing it.
Where there is more concern is the social aspects of immigration, i.e. segregation, tensions between communities, alleged higher rates of crime and rape, Britain no longer 'white'. I think even in the debate they could not come to a consensus regarding the social aspects, but the economic argument has been settled a while ago.
IQ of 137 is above average but by no means highly intelligent.
Even your racist pals such as Nigel Farage defends immigration too, he just wants to reduce it. This is because of the economic benefits of immigration. So I guess you are only left with the BNP.
Everyone on both sides in this video has an issue with interrupting each other. They should learn to wait and wait their turn.
Lol, watch Indian TV debates. You will laugh to the end.
Philip Kwon Especially the moderator.
Still it's way more civilized debate that the ones we watch in polish TV. Especially broadcasted by public channel.
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Shocking this guy who seemingly lacks oratorical skills especially in the department of offering evidence to back his points, is an economics professor and at Oxford even!
You clearly have such skills. Keyboard warriors are a curse on this planet.
Mano Thanabalan oratorical skills are the least of his problems. He doesn’t even get the concept of being indigenous. Then we get into the arenas of psychology, anthropology, the novelty of the idea of nation-states, etc.
@@Anonymity373 You don't need to be a movie director to critique a movie. Its clear to anyone with a brain to see how uncomfortable he is in backing up anything he is saying with a shred of evidence. Most of his statements are based on the premise of 'Trust me bro'.
This is his own show and the people invited ro debate know this is how it works on his show
I think this would be more robust debate if Douglas Murray was there instead.
Agreed
He is out and out racist
39:36 also this audience guy could also be put to stage .
Did 'Fantasist Mehdi' really equate to 'border controls' with racism?
+João Manuel Gomes Border controls are racist
Border controls can be racist if they implement it. Australia had a white policy on border controls. And yes the evidence does suggest that race has a lot to do with it. Even the panelists made mention of that not just mehdi
Is that the only inconsistency you could cherry pick? There's were facts cited left and right you completely ignored. Maybe you should go back to school.
it would be interesting to watch Mehdi interview Ann Coulter on this topic...
Ann coulter Lol that ignorant brainless wouldn't stand a chance againt Mehdi Hassan
Actually , I think she will win the debate.
It's interesting watching this in the context of 2017 Europe.
try 2020
If their is no mutual respect and sense of social duties, it is very difficult to implement rule of law .A society whose members cannot trust each other is doomed
Yes - and it is a fact that we trust those with whom we have things in common, both inside the dominant group and outside it. This appears to be human nature. Evolution is slow.
I like the critical questions from the students with the migrant background 👍
Hello ppl, it is all about national identity and values. Mass immigration dilutes the identity and values of locals and tinted it with the very essence that migrants are escaping from. This usually happens when integration and assimilation falls behind the desired rate. Or when the amount of immigration influx is so huge that there is numbers in strength that they neither feel the need to understand the local culture nor to fall in line with the local way of life. This creates drift and distrust.
This is exactly what he was getting at... But it's really hard in this day in age to say something like that while remaining "politically correct", especially when you're basically being attacked with innuendos that thinking in such a way makes you racist or xenophobic.
You can see it in his face... He was expecting a polite, mature discussion and lost patience with being poked and prodded into anger or into defending his feelings/thoughts. It clearly made him want to just throw up his hands and walk away from the situation. I find it really sad that he was treated this way. He had a valid point and was treated pretty aggressively when he didn't deserve to be treated that way.
No, Mr. Hassan! You are not indigenous to Britain, no matter how much you push your wishful thinking on real Britons by bullying them! You are as indigenous to Britain as a polar bear who is born in a Zoo in Africa is native to Africa! Indigenous Britons are ALWAYS AND ONLY WHITE! Britain is a Northern European country with very little sun, so it is absolutely obvious that INDIGENOUS Britons who have lived in that area and its vicinity for many centuries are not and can NEVER be brown or black skinned! End of issue!That's mother nature! If that's racist in your opinion, then take it up with mother nature, because she seems to be VERY racist!
Huh? I don't get your point at all? So a white German is an indigenous Britain but a brown Indian is not? That's not Mother Nature that's you being racist and not being able to accept that you're racist.
I don't agree with anything you said, nothing makes sense. I can't argue with you though, so peace!
your names rita malik.... like really? thats what you have to say
Immigration helps the move to social inequality by decimating the power of work forces.. Social fragmentation becomes more acute with social inequality. The society is less resilient .
The first speaker only appeared to contradicted himself, because his critics drew contradiction out of something which with the least good will could be understood. Debating tactics.
The "Hell holes " have NO chance without their best people.
Nations do have the right to decide who comes in or not. Without this the nation is finished. Without the nation meaningful Democracy is finished.
Indigenous Britons are Anglo Saxon White British, that's it.
Basically WASPs
Ah yes, the famously Germanic Anglo-Saxons. So indigenous...
Mehdi is not indigenous to the Uk get that bullcrap outta here
The final comment from Collier was gold. Not the best orator, but he articulated his thesis well at the end.
So you missed all the facts cited by Mehdi you just skip to the end to cherry pick a point. Shut up!
@@Anonymity373 Lol, don't be so snowflakey. I respect him for coming to this program. I don't need to agree with everything he said. Some things he said, I actually liked.
Phillip from the EU commission is insufferably smug. His superior attitude is an example of the reason Brexit won.
Awesome Debate...
This guys an Oxford professor? Jesus
Lol . Gives me hope though. Getting a doctorate must be a breeze.
Yeah oxford is for dumb people with absolutely no knowledge that can be destroyed with a simple frustrated TH-cam alt right reactionary-troll comment. Don't you guys see how dumb you sound
Veruca the only person who sounds ridiculously stupid AND who disregards facts, statistics, incredible chunks of history, the novelty of nation-state concept, the definition of indigenous people, the accumulation of knowledge in anthropology and psychology, as well as research into economic dynamics in his hypothetical world of overpopulation and depopulation, is this laughable “economist, professor, and sir.”
Is nothing in comparation with the american university profesors of this day!
@@jonathand3842 I dont think you know what alt-right means
The idea of what constitutes an indigenous person over a non indigenous one only comes about when there are people within a population who consider themselves better or somehow more deserving of resources generated within that population.
This process is achieved purely on the above basis, rather than any benefits that those people provide themselves. By this process a doctor or nurse, a fireman or a teacher, who happen to be defined as non indigenous or immigrants are considered to have less value.
Unless of course that country has succeeded in subjugating the indigenous population as in countries such as Northern America and Australia.
Gods mehdi just stripped this guy off his pants in front of the whole Oxford Union 🤣🤣
39:36 here Mehdi shits his pants
Its natural to dislike some one else coming to our place .leaders seems to use this feelings . Over the time people seems to live along each other .
Agreed, it is human nature to some extent. It's definitely leveraged by corrupt policitians everywhere.
Love it or hate it, you gotta admire mehdi's ability to push people up against the wall. It's the best kind of journalism. Coodos
Wow, why is it not more of a focus that the guy came right out and said that other cultures are dysfunctional?
Rich Gulf countries should be forced to take their muslim brothers and sisters into their countries as well. In most countries, native population is 20% and lot of oil wealth
Aah plenty of westerners working in arab countries, at good posts aswell.
Wrong! Puerto Rico Has lost 1 million people in 10 years. I live in Puerto Rico, born, raised and still living. We loose 3k families a month to the US.
B_GINA_MUA well you’re still there
Hahaha she said is a Pub conversation your book is a story book..hahahah
she's a troll
I think he is right, most of the time. It is similiar in Germany: you are in favour or against immigration, there is no real in between.
Fact is, the western societies structural system can't help and support any ammount of refugees. But we should help as long as it can.
And I disagree with the notion that foreign non western people are somewhat less-trusting to each other (or how he framed it). Western people wouldn't act very different if our natural ressources are exploited and no real opportunity can evolve in our countries because foreign companies exploit the society without any limitations.
The real question should be, how we change our foreign policies to actually help and support foreign countries with fair trade and moral integrity against any regimes.
well said!
"Migration is not an integral part of globalisation" - I wanted to hear more about this idea. It seems to me that these two concepts are so intrinsically connected...
I too have a hard time agreeing with that. Globalisation is about the movement of capital, goods, people and ideas. I don't think you can leave any of those out of the definition and still have a proper one because the cause for all those things moving around the world is the same, namely ease of transportation. Technically, if nobody ever migrated I guess you could have globalisation without migration, but it seems a bit absurd to understand it like that.
this earth is for all of us and should not be regulated where you should go.
This should not be categorized as a debate.
It should be called HOW TO SHUT DOWN YOUR OPPONENT WITH HARASSMENT AND THE GRAMMATICAL USEAGES WITH THE WORD RACIST..
THE WORD RACIST WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR OPPONENT EVERY TIME
The guy who is an adviser to the E.U. Commission seems rather smug .
IS Mehdi going to pay for more refugees into Britain and Europe???
Would Mehdi pay to help people study Christianity???
simo134 studying christianity??!!!!
Right at the start Mehdi Hasan starts talking about "closing the door" on immigration - something which Sir Paul Collier has never stated. He shows just how much he wants to polarise the issue because it serves his narrow interests to do so.
Well, blame Collier for not arguing his point (s) well.
What does "cut the mustard" mean?
I fought for 10 years DEFENDING MY COUNTRY, you need to start defending YOURS!!
DO THE WORK AND STOP TAKING WHAT IS NOT YOURS!!
Where did you serve?
@@Muzikman127 Desert Storm- and again for Desert Shield. Early 90s. My mos- 74 Delta. My last attachment was with the 351st Medical.
Disappointed that the Professor didn't have the guts to point out that Mehdi Hasan is clearly not an indigenous Britain. Hasan is a Pakistani because he's parents were Pakistani.
He is an Indian descendant.
it frustrates me because nobody is doing anything to stop this mass immigration.
+losIluminados anders brievik did
Islam is unstoppable
+dahab abdulaziz History says otherwise, When Islam gets chased back to its corners through force and the Quaran becomes what mein kamfe is today?
+losIluminados You have to wait a couple of months and then not only the invaders will be removed but also the ones who supported them and the non-whites who are already here.Europe will be completely white by 2016.
Look guys Europe can never and ever could be for white only Arab and black will be the dominant, because you white people never have enough children in addition most of white ladies nowadays prefer black people than and Arab then white because. ........... you already know that for instance look at the muslim population in Britain, German and France ! It astonishing or not?
I feel so bad for the professor,. Regardless of his opinion, he has very poor communication skills which makes his points sound so bad, flawed, and very much prone to attacks which only makes him feel nervous and sound even worse!
interesting to see the interviewer being so CLEARLY opposed to the professor. It is POSSIBLE to be an immigrant and understanding the limits of imigration.. or well it should be possible..
u are right,why should we have to explain we dont want cultures that loath our western judeo-christian laws and culture,it would be suicide
He always takes the opposition and the purpose is a head on head discussion not an interview.
@joe haze middle east you destroyed it, that's your agenda
@joe haze "make africa more white"😐😐😐
Absolutely Not Your People Have Destroyed The Middle East And Now You Want To Destroy Africa.....?
And Besides Where/How Do Africans Benefit From A "White Africa"......?
WARRING
Don't read the comments
Thank man but too late I wish I saw your comment before
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Why not
"Jobs should move to people" not people to jobs 👍👏👏👏👏
So a farming job should somehow move to a urban city 🤨
this economics professor is confused.. he doesn't even know what he's talking about!!!
DO YOU
Norma Hernandez Yes. The professor was talking absolute rubbish.
He knows exactly what he's talking about. You an immigrant?
The professor has been on whiskey, late last night. 🙄😏😂
@@HShah-pd7yr Why, because he doesn't like mass immigration of millions of unassimilable people?
Mehdi hassan is brilliant
Allah is Great no
Mehdi would be happy to see another 10 million muslims from the sub-continent.
He wouldn't be displeased if Islam took over Britain.
simo134 Muslims make up less than 5% of the uk yes they're really taking over ...../s
Dudley McBest European migrants alone add £20Bn to our economy....... The lack integration is right wing BS and fear mongering! When anyone goes anywhere they start to integrate!
Than EU should add another 150 million to boost the failing Euro zone economy.
Dudley McBest Grow the fuck up
Uk Gamer But in 15-20 years time things will be very different. Would you support if Britain becomes Islamic country and Sharia law is implemented? Would you embrace that?
*A brave professor!* Alone on stage against a strongly biased crowd of ignorants and a very biased and hostile host. This professor is a true hero of academia, whether his academic results prove true or not!
yeah i felt for him to be honest. watching the debate was really unnerving because no one was actually listening to one another. what hope do the masses have if in an intellectual debate between professionals and intellectuals doesn't take the basic tenet of listening to understand and further discuss?
Brave? He wrote a book but couldn't defend it at all, struggled to explain what/who are "indigenously British". He was all over the place.
@@hihelloitsmo You exaggerate, but yes he made some valid points. We can't wish away discomfort with immigration.
Indigenous Brits are white, so what? Someone ought to ask Merdi how many white Indians he's ever met.
What we have now is rapid transit that is for the most part low cost.
100 years ago and further back, we did not have this rapid migration due to industrialization.
Now people move about the world very quickly and may decide that they would like to live out their lives somewhere else.
Some of my white friends look at this rapid migration as a threat, however I look at it as progress.
We need to accept change with grace and honor.
That part when he mentioned Qatari and Arab abuses was so awkwardly hilarious one question and Mehdi could be losing that lovely job lol.
@TheObservations Real you hit the nail on the head I was confused by his reaction there, but your post clarifies his reasoning for interrupting. Thanks. Objective Journalism is truly dead.
not really
mehdi has argued in debates that the US should stop supporting Saudi Arabia and has had episodes on the issues in many Arab countries on head to head itself
the point was that that would spiral into a whole other discussion, not that he didn't want to have it. because he already has done that.
you're just a plain moron.
Mehdi hasan is a Fcng fraud. A terrorist who supports Islamic groups like Hamas and even Al-qaeda. It’s a shame the British government hasn’t thrown him behind bars!
The host is so freaking annoying! He is as indigenous to Britain as the tomatoes are indigenous to England, which we all know are native fruits from the New World.
rebelramble He maybe not indeginous but he is a citizen. There is no difference between citizens based on race, religion, or ethnicity in the eyes of the law and the eyes of non-bigots. Just thought I'd share that.
rebelramble to be fair he was born in Britain but his future Britain would be 100% islamic with no (r) no other relugion allowed. That may be good news for muslims but look at the muslim middle east. would you really want to impose all that child rape and stonings on your people Rulers are elected by the people and the people can de-elect them. Cant do that with a holy book.
The host has a genetic makeup adapted to the Indian climate, not the British climate.
I think we should take into account the country's values and each of the immigrant's values they pursue and check if both are compatible. not just race only
One of my friend told me in England their doctors searched on Google to answer me 1 question, I'm Iranian an i can't imagine such a thing even in my darkest days lol
Difficult to believe, and where is the relevance?
Mr. Mehdi Hasan, Please don't insult my country by calling yourself Indian. You are more Muslim than "Indian"
+Sumit Shokeen you are very narrow minded and you don't make any sense. India has only 68% Hindus, but there are Muslims, Christians, jains and Sikhs. Every group has right to defend it's religion. does't make them non-Indian.
I'm a muslim myself from another continent , Africa and trust me, when I see an indian I can't tell if he's muslim or hindu... yeah, I recognize a sikh because almost all of them wear karas.
Technically, he's not "indian" anymore as your country doesn't recognize dual citizenship, he's a person of indian origin.
Sumit well said Sumit.
11:56 He pulled out the old "My _________ is __________ so i'm not rasist.
I didn't get Ivacookers point
Let be honest... if Aljazerra is very much concerned about immigration, why Qatar doesn't take all of them... anyway Qatar is very rich
Exactly
Hassan is a terrible arrogant very rude host
I like mehdi and this show but this is the worst interview he's ever done.
Then gtfo
Noone would immigrate if they didnt have to. Families are apart, trauma..
Funny... this guest never stops to contradict himself (not only that he lies but he doesn't want to assume what he really means about this topic...) during the entire debate. The only facts were given by Medhi Hassan and they are staggering (specially the one at the end). And that's what we need on this topic right now : FACTS !
England and Europe are doomed. This show totally depressed me, and I'm a brown skinned immigrant.
Well... you're part of the problem. No matter how superficially "integrated" you may be, non-European immigration does have an impact on social cohesion.
Well start by leaving Europe since you’re an immigrant. The rest will follow suit.
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Yea I’ll pack my bags and leave. Sorry for the inconvenience mate. Good luck to Europe and America’s future!
Saudi Arabia has lots of money and space or maybe the UEA or Dubai, they all welcome immigrants with open arms and full citizen status.
Saudi and UAE closed their door to Syrian refugees. No one in the UAE gets citizenship - unless they are super rich or powerful. These countries just utilize migrants from labour and then kick them out once they dont need them anymore.
Raoul Templeton Not really fair there. I live in Saudi Arabia. I meet so many people who came to work here, like teachers, who come from every single continent apart from Antarctica of course. I even met the families of many of those people. They apply for working visas and can stay until they're done with their work. They usually come to save up money and go back to their countries with it. That's the definition of a working visa. Citizenship is different than a visa. I can't really believe that I have to explain this to someone as it seems obvious.
They didnt colonise the world, enslave people, brought them to their country then "liberated" them to be 2nd class citizens. Not saying that these countries are great but that's the difference.
@@ameegosar7547 Arab gulf nations have ancestors who invaded the entire Middle East and North Africa. Look up “Arabization”
I have Nigerian friends and we are trusting each other unconditionally.
Has Legrain seen the population figures for Puerto Rico? Sure, people still live there, but the numbers are decreasing rapidly year after year. I'm not presenting this is a good or bad thing; rather, it's merely a fact that he got wrong.
That old man collier got chwed and spat out. He keeps getting chewed in all debates, he should find an alternative pastime other than writing on unsubstantiated arguments he can't defend.
He is scared to say what he wants to say b/c of what going to happen on social media p..
He wrote a book about what he thinks idiot.
We should always welcome those whose life is indanger
At 6:45 the audience is waiting for when Hassan finally tears him apart and calls him racist.
I would love just one time this show to have a balanced debate about the issue. Every time you watch this show they find one person on one side of the issue and 4 against then they spend the entire show smearing the guest. But the issues are real and with the awesome guests they get they could have a great balanced debate.
I agree, it was sickening. I've read some of Collier's books and if he and his proposed solutions were taken seriously and implemented, we would indeed have a better world.
Seeing the kind of sordid pushback and pearl-clutching he's getting from the sanctimonious smug liberal elite here, makes it sadly clear why that better world will never happen.
Poor Beautiful Europe becoming the new middle east, heartbreaking
I was hoping this debate would move to the key issue. Like wars, diasporas are economically driven. But at what point does the British state exceed a breaking point where the population exceeds the resources? London continues to brain drain the rest of the UK but I see that tide turning, in part due to immigration. Generally the debate was weakened by theatrics which is a shame as there is a referendum coming and information & education is essential to the debate - not show biz.
1) The problem with immigrants is that they start preserving their own culture in the new country and knowingly or otherwise create a wall of same very culture and dont integrate with the culture of the land they have went to.
2) I am a professional working in Africa. Yes I am an economic immigrant to Africa and do enjoy my country's culture in most of the African countries that I have been in. And I am thankful to the indigens who have allowed us that space. But should I then start constructing walls of culture under the pretext of maintaining that space ? Absolutely not.. Coz when I do so, I'am the one who create that cultural divide.
3) There is no point demonising the west all of a sudden. If the immigrants cannot integrate with the indigen culture it's obvious the locals will feel threatened. I just want to ask the interviewer, he must be living in posh and secured locality, would he anytime leave his home unlocked ? No... Would he leave his kids unattended and insecured while he goes out ??? No... Then why leave the country unguarded ?? What's wrong if a country decides to have controlled immigration ? And what's wrong in saying NO to someone who doesn't fits into your zone of security??? I cant leave to my neighbours to decide who stays in my house and walks into my family space. I am the one to decide. How different is a country then ?
4) Can we deny that over these 2 decades of spike in immigrants, we have forgot to differentiate in between refugees, asylum seekers and economic immigrants... Economic immigration has a mutual give and take equation. But having offered refuge or asylum is taken granted for right to citizenship. There's a sense of thankless ness towards towards the country which welcomed you in bad times.
5) Not everything done by the West is good.. The west is answerable for the way they have looted some the poorest of poor countries in Africa to fill their coffers. What have they added in value to these countries while they deprived the citizens of these countries from the riches of their resources ? The moment they start adding social value with their trade, there would be lesser immigration.
6) Migration has happened for ages. Immigrate , go to new place of opportunity but respect the local culture, earn respect for your own culture, stop threatening someone else's culture and you stop feeling threatened. Stop feeling superior about your culture over others but earn that pride for culture in someone else's eyes and I am sure most of these issues would solved.
At times it really scares me to imagine of the kind of world I may leave my Child behind me ?
Dear Al Jazeera English: I would watch more of your videos if you didn't upload them with such low sound.
Can we get a techie on this pls???
Who wants to get Syrian citizenship.:-)
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i am not native too england but was born here , there's something strange going on ,the streets i use too know are not the same ,i think ,its out control and bet you think why is this blackman talking like this , i can see something going on everywhere
It has to be noted that previous immigrants are often hostile to recent immigrants
The representative of the EU commission must be the advisor on how to be the smuggest person in the room. Typical EU attitude.
So this was published in August 2015.. I think we all remember what happened only one month later. I encourage viewers to look into the migration situation in Germany and its effects on social coherence. Maybe some will then understand what Paul Collier was talking about.
As someone who lives in Germany with Arabs, Turks and other Africans I'll really like to know what happened to Germany. I'm really ignorant. Except you're referring to the far right in the east of the country who don't have any immigration which keeps shouting about how immigration is killing THEM.. SMH. So please inform me
can UK afford to keep receiving/adding ppl ? where to live??? where to work??
even tough it s amazing living in UK, there are nearly ten countries in Europe when life is far better than over here, where cost of living are compatible with salaries and ppl have less stress in life!
How would he classify the increasing race, which is mixed race? We are seeing an increase in White and Black Carribean/African - are they native?