Thanks for watching. The Supra is a little bit of a strange beast but it’s a major step up in price and performance. To your point Toyota does have that epic 3 cylinder turbo in the GRCorolla. The 86 was designed around that flat boxer and it is very good. Great combo of weight and power. Thanks again for watching and happy motoring.
@@BeyondTheTestDrive The Supra is a dead car walking. BMW is stopping production of the Z4 after the 2026 model year and since the Supra is built at the same plant , it will end at the same time (which probably means none built after 2025). FWIW, the competition version of the GR86 uses the 3-cylinder. So Toyota does know how to fit that engine in the car. I have also read that the 3 cylinder with turbo is about 100 pounds lighter, so it would reduce overall weight a bit and specifically take weight out of the front end of the car.
I really like the GR86, but wanted something a little more substantial with more power. I bought a 2024 Z manual Performance, and recently took it on a 3100 mile road trip through the western US (Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona). I got 30.1 MPG for the whole trip, hand calculated at fill-ups. My calculated MPG at each fill-up was between 29 and 31 MPG all the way. I was very surprised by that, especially considering how much time was spent at 75+ MPH. There was even some canyon-carving and a few full-throttle blasts too.
Thanks for watching. Great choice on the Z. That is a sleeper and off many folks radar. Sounds like an epic road trip! Thanks for sharing. All the best and happy motoring!
I had a m235i with the zf8 transmission and would get 30mpgs for roadtrips. Except on a few stretches where i was on cruise control at 105mph for 100 miles. That sucked down the gas quickly. Got a love a car that allows you to engage cruise control at any speed you want. One of the best cars i have owned to date. The gr is way more fun but hwy its not as good at high speeds for long periods of time. Its fast enough and will go 120 really easy but its more high rpms running that speed. If the gr86 had that zf8 auto box it probably would also get 30mpgs easily. The 8th gear was epic for hwy stuff.
@BeyondTheTestDrive unfortunately lol...the wait time for a sliver gr86 was to long according to the dealer...like 4 months+ so I just got a new 2024 gr86 in sliver. Essentially they seem the same minus the wireless carplay you get with the 2025 I think. But regardless im excited and make sure I order the 2028 or whenever the next gen gr86 comes way in advance lol...
Had the Gr86 for about 3 days now and so far its better then expected. Coming from a 2015 sti this one feels like a massive quality of life upgrade and over feel like im in a more expensive car then what i payed for lol. Only thing that i have to do is i need to swap out for a louder axel back...this car is soooo dam quiet lol. Atm cant push the car past 4000rpm according to the manual as i have 200 miles so far on the odm, need 800 more and oil change before i can really rip on it. Atm this is the best car ive owned, had a 2009 jeep wrangler, have a 2015 sti so yeah...time to save up for a Porsche lol seems like the logical step up lol.
Thoughts on highway travel in smallish sporty cars? This GR86 is surprisingly pleasant for short stints. Seats pretty good for the first couple of hours but probably a good yoga stretch needed to continue on. Check out our two videos on this GR86. If visiting the channel, consider subscribing. We’d love to have you along for the ride!
33mpg is pretty impressive for what the Subaru engine is. Similarly, the ND Miata beats EPA ratings a lot of times - I tend to get 38-42 crusing on the freeway at 70-75mph. And things like the Golf GTI or Civic SI easily get 40+ MPG. The GR86 will hurt your pockets more - consumables on an ND Miata are really affordable. But an 86 is definitely a much more comfortable car with actual trunk space. I can carry 4 tires in my Miata, but just barely haha. I have no need for passenger space, so I went Miata.
@@notdaijoubu5062 thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Yea; the Miata even does well in city driving. The Subie is the odd man out when it comes to efficiency. But that is a trademark of the boxer and Toyota did add port fuel injection, not the most efficient, for reliability. We have an ND3 RF review out on the channel now. Enjoy your Miata and happy motoring.
On a 24 BRZ Limited, and have done 3 hr drives and seats are quite comfy for me. I get like 21 MPG (Sport Mode) on a highway. It’s surprisingly good. Road noise can get loud, but it’s not a grand tourer or an SUV so it’s pretty acceptable for me.
Just wore out the stock PS4’s and switched to Bridgestone Potenza AS That dropped road noise incredibly! Stereo sounds decent I just found out. The PS4 only last 15k miles in 2 years. I averaged 28.3 mpg on mostly highway commute. There’s a couple stop lights so I get to practice my 0-60.
Thanks for watching and sharing your ownership experience. Glad you are enjoying your stereo! That is decent fuel economy. Thanks again and happy motoring.
I have not driven a Miata to compare it to, but I have this exact car. The Trueno blue premium , but 2023.. so I guess like you said, it’s good for what it is as far as taking it on a long trip. But it’s no Camry obviously. I went to Tennessee with my daughter from Florida. When you get on the road for that many hours, your thighs start to hurt from the bolsters, squeezing you too tight, unless maybe you are very thin.l am 6’1, and about 190. So I’m not fat or skinny. And she is 14 years old. So not large either.. Both of us were very uncomfortable by the time we got to our destination. I used to have a 1987 MR2, and it actually had a dial where you could rack the bolsters in and out.. the seats just seemed softer too. I’m going to say the seats in the GR 86 probably are superior for a track day, but they do become uncomfortable on long road trips. They are fine, however for a shorter trip like you took. The flipside is, I have taken the car on the tail of the dragon, and it is just unbelievable how well-balanced the car is. I mean, it is like next level good. There was every kind of car there. Challenger, mustangs, Camaros, Z,s, Porsches, etc. I never once needed to pull into a pull off to let anyone pass me for the whole 318 curves.. All the guys bragging about their massive HP numbers simply had little chance of hanging with me. but long road trips, yeah, I’m taking my Camry Xse any day..
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. I think about 3 hours was going to be my seat limit before a long break. Bolsters are usually too aggressive on a lot of cars and can make long distance travel less comfortable. Congrats on your 86. It’s a special machine. Coincidentally we also had an 1987 MR2. Silver with t-tops and black leather. Loved that car. We road tripped it quite a bit. One time the muffler blew a hole in it so that was not so fun. Again, thanks for watching and happy motoring.
Does yours sound like it has a small Vuvuzela at town speeds, more noticeable on the Drivers side and seems to have a frequency not speed dependent but gets louder on some road surfaces?
Thanks for watching. Not totally sure I understand your question. We had this car for the week and in that time did not notice any odd noises. The specific OEM tires are fairly loud and I would imagine they would get even louder as they gather miles.
@BeyondTheTestDrive seems my noise is not normal, but appears on enough cars to warrant this extensive thread on the GR86 website that covers what I'm experiencing " Does your GR86 Premium have a road noise "hum" ? " In the thread many reported removing the VBars completely removed the annoying noise.
I have also found Toyota’s website inconsistent. The EPA has this officially at 22 overall, 26 on the highway. Like a lot of 4 cylinders this one also will exceed that on the highway in higher speed real world conditions. The EPA average speed for their test is in the high 40s whereas we averaged over 60 mph. EPA number tend to be conservative for smaller more aerodynamic cars.
I do doordash n could 100% afford this car. Only thing that has me worried is the gasmileage and space for bigger orders. seems like the car might be able to pull it off for what I need. i'm young n have little responsibility, might as well right?🤣
Thanks for watching! Could work for you. It is not the best on fuel economy and stop and go door dashing would put it in the low 20s for sure. But it would make the job fun. Good luck and happy motoring!
Thanks for watching and weighing in on this topic. I think since the issue is understood it’s highly advised that folks get their car assessed to see if there is any rtv in their oil pan or oil filter before any damage.
Literally zero cars have blown their engines due to rtv. They blow up because the oil thins out and because the oil pan doesn’t have any baffles so in long corners the engine gets starved for oil because it all sloshes to one side
Just asking- you KNOW that oil thinning is a part of the problem? I have heard that it sloshes into the crank case and then can’t be picked up for circulation, but I haven’t heard anything about excessive thinning out… within normal oil intervals obviously
@@sshah2545 oil will thin at high temperature doesn’t matter if it’s just been changed that’s why you should get an oil cooler if you plan to track one of these cars
@@davidvusich1603 I’m aware of that. I’m speaking generally. I drive mine hard, but road hard, not track hard. I have been surprised by the amount of heat in the engine bay when I check my oil sometimes, but I question if that’s enough for thinning between regular intervals. Was curious if you knew something I didn’t.
I am not sure. Maybe an owner can chime in. Sure there are tons of exhaust and suspension and appearance kit out there. Tuning wise not much to do ECU wise since it does not have a turbo and is already running on premium. But an intake and better exhaust could add some more ponies. Thanks for watching!
It’s not atrocious. It is what you would expect. I think I state in the video it’s 72-73 dB and on par with a Miata RF. It is mostly road noise and many have changed to a quieter tire. I could take a 2-3 hour road trip in this just fine. Thanks for watching!
Agree with your review. Note, I disconnected the engine sound speaker, and it makes a very noticeable difference on road trips. I'm curious if different tires would also make a difference.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I mention in the full review I would disconnect that pumped in sound. Not that it sounds horrible but it’s just too much. Too bad you cannot adjust it to a lower level. Yes; I do think those sticky tires tend to be a little noisier. Thanks again and happy motoring!
I did a 1,700 mile trip last Summer in a 22 BRZ but with Falken FK460 tires and loved it. Same on a recent 400 mile outing.
Awesome. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. Heard good things about those Falkens. All the best and happy motoring.
Great car no doubt. i'd love to buy one in my life at least once
Strongly recommend it. Best car I’ve ever owned out of 9
Pick mine up in a few days. Thanks for the review. Cheers 😊
Awesome! Thanks for watching and commenting. Great way to start the new year with a new 86
They should just get rid of the Supra and give us the GR86 turbo trim level with 300+ hp
Thanks for watching. The Supra is a little bit of a strange beast but it’s a major step up in price and performance. To your point Toyota does have that epic 3 cylinder turbo in the GRCorolla. The 86 was designed around that flat boxer and it is very good. Great combo of weight and power. Thanks again for watching and happy motoring.
@@BeyondTheTestDrive
The Supra is a dead car walking. BMW is stopping production of the Z4 after the 2026 model year and since the Supra is built at the same plant , it will end at the same time (which probably means none built after 2025). FWIW, the competition version of the GR86 uses the 3-cylinder. So Toyota does know how to fit that engine in the car. I have also read that the 3 cylinder with turbo is about 100 pounds lighter, so it would reduce overall weight a bit and specifically take weight out of the front end of the car.
@jimiverson3085 I saw on Larry Chen's channel there was a GR Corolla drive train was dropped into a GR86.
NAH, the GR86 needs to stay naturally aspirated.
Then you'd complain about the price. It doesn't need a turbo anyway.
I really like the GR86, but wanted something a little more substantial with more power. I bought a 2024 Z manual Performance, and recently took it on a 3100 mile road trip through the western US (Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona). I got 30.1 MPG for the whole trip, hand calculated at fill-ups. My calculated MPG at each fill-up was between 29 and 31 MPG all the way. I was very surprised by that, especially considering how much time was spent at 75+ MPH. There was even some canyon-carving and a few full-throttle blasts too.
That pretty damn good! After hearing this,I really wish the new Z came out with a 2+2 more than ever now 😢
Thanks for watching. Great choice on the Z. That is a sleeper and off many folks radar. Sounds like an epic road trip! Thanks for sharing. All the best and happy motoring!
I had a m235i with the zf8 transmission and would get 30mpgs for roadtrips. Except on a few stretches where i was on cruise control at 105mph for 100 miles. That sucked down the gas quickly. Got a love a car that allows you to engage cruise control at any speed you want. One of the best cars i have owned to date. The gr is way more fun but hwy its not as good at high speeds for long periods of time. Its fast enough and will go 120 really easy but its more high rpms running that speed. If the gr86 had that zf8 auto box it probably would also get 30mpgs easily. The 8th gear was epic for hwy stuff.
@@immunity4soul I had a 2017 m240i coupe with the 6 speed manual trans. It also got 30 mpg at 70-75 MPH.
i really just don't like how the Z looks😭
About to order a 2025 Gr86, cant wait to drive it in late November early December
Congratulations! Keep in touch on how you like it. Thanks for watching and happy motoring.
@BeyondTheTestDrive unfortunately lol...the wait time for a sliver gr86 was to long according to the dealer...like 4 months+ so I just got a new 2024 gr86 in sliver. Essentially they seem the same minus the wireless carplay you get with the 2025 I think. But regardless im excited and make sure I order the 2028 or whenever the next gen gr86 comes way in advance lol...
Had the Gr86 for about 3 days now and so far its better then expected. Coming from a 2015 sti this one feels like a massive quality of life upgrade and over feel like im in a more expensive car then what i payed for lol. Only thing that i have to do is i need to swap out for a louder axel back...this car is soooo dam quiet lol. Atm cant push the car past 4000rpm according to the manual as i have 200 miles so far on the odm, need 800 more and oil change before i can really rip on it. Atm this is the best car ive owned, had a 2009 jeep wrangler, have a 2015 sti so yeah...time to save up for a Porsche lol seems like the logical step up lol.
@@akumafuhen that’s awesome. Agree that a better exhaust and turning off the fake sounds will be a great upgrade. Enjoy!
Thoughts on highway travel in smallish sporty cars? This GR86 is surprisingly pleasant for short stints. Seats pretty good for the first couple of hours but probably a good yoga stretch needed to continue on. Check out our two videos on this GR86. If visiting the channel, consider subscribing. We’d love to have you along for the ride!
33mpg is pretty impressive for what the Subaru engine is. Similarly, the ND Miata beats EPA ratings a lot of times - I tend to get 38-42 crusing on the freeway at 70-75mph. And things like the Golf GTI or Civic SI easily get 40+ MPG.
The GR86 will hurt your pockets more - consumables on an ND Miata are really affordable. But an 86 is definitely a much more comfortable car with actual trunk space. I can carry 4 tires in my Miata, but just barely haha. I have no need for passenger space, so I went Miata.
@@notdaijoubu5062 thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Yea; the Miata even does well in city driving. The Subie is the odd man out when it comes to efficiency. But that is a trademark of the boxer and Toyota did add port fuel injection, not the most efficient, for reliability. We have an ND3 RF review out on the channel now. Enjoy your Miata and happy motoring.
On a 24 BRZ Limited, and have done 3 hr drives and seats are quite comfy for me. I get like 21 MPG (Sport Mode) on a highway. It’s surprisingly good. Road noise can get loud, but it’s not a grand tourer or an SUV so it’s pretty acceptable for me.
Just wore out the stock PS4’s and switched to Bridgestone Potenza AS That dropped road noise incredibly! Stereo sounds decent I just found out. The PS4 only last 15k miles in 2 years.
I averaged 28.3 mpg on mostly highway commute. There’s a couple stop lights so I get to practice my 0-60.
Thanks for watching and sharing your ownership experience. Glad you are enjoying your stereo! That is decent fuel economy. Thanks again and happy motoring.
Change the tires on the GR86 to anything other than stock tires and the noise level drops considerably. PS4 tires are just about the loudest.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Yea, I figured the PS4s were on the loud side. All the best and happy motoring.
I have not driven a Miata to compare it to, but I have this exact car. The Trueno blue premium , but 2023.. so I guess like you said, it’s good for what it is as far as taking it on a long trip. But it’s no Camry obviously. I went to Tennessee with my daughter from Florida. When you get on the road for that many hours, your thighs start to hurt from the bolsters, squeezing you too tight, unless maybe you are very thin.l am 6’1, and about 190. So I’m not fat or skinny. And she is 14 years old. So not large either.. Both of us were very uncomfortable by the time we got to our destination. I used to have a 1987 MR2, and it actually had a dial where you could rack the bolsters in and out.. the seats just seemed softer too. I’m going to say the seats in the GR 86 probably are superior for a track day, but they do become uncomfortable on long road trips. They are fine, however for a shorter trip like you took. The flipside is, I have taken the car on the tail of the dragon, and it is just unbelievable how well-balanced the car is. I mean, it is like next level good. There was every kind of car there. Challenger, mustangs, Camaros, Z,s, Porsches, etc. I never once needed to pull into a pull off to let anyone pass me for the whole 318 curves.. All the guys bragging about their massive HP numbers simply had little chance of hanging with me. but long road trips, yeah, I’m taking my Camry Xse any day..
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. I think about 3 hours was going to be my seat limit before a long break. Bolsters are usually too aggressive on a lot of cars and can make long distance travel less comfortable. Congrats on your 86. It’s a special machine. Coincidentally we also had an 1987 MR2. Silver with t-tops and black leather. Loved that car. We road tripped it quite a bit. One time the muffler blew a hole in it so that was not so fun. Again, thanks for watching and happy motoring.
Does yours sound like it has a small Vuvuzela at town speeds, more noticeable on the Drivers side and seems to have a frequency not speed dependent but gets louder on some road surfaces?
Thanks for watching. Not totally sure I understand your question. We had this car for the week and in that time did not notice any odd noises. The specific OEM tires are fairly loud and I would imagine they would get even louder as they gather miles.
@BeyondTheTestDrive seems my noise is not normal, but appears on enough cars to warrant this extensive thread on the GR86 website that covers what I'm experiencing " Does your GR86 Premium have a road noise "hum" ? "
In the thread many reported removing the VBars completely removed the annoying noise.
Yes, I road trip my BRZ. And being a BRZ, it is even more comfortable on the road.
I have a GR86 and I'm averaging 27.6 MPG. The EPA rating is totally wrong on this car.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
I average 28.3 on mostly highway commute. Probably be better but it’s Route 66 with several stop lights to practice my 0-60.
Why does it say 24mpg on the website? If all the numbers I see on many videos are over 30.
I have also found Toyota’s website inconsistent. The EPA has this officially at 22 overall, 26 on the highway. Like a lot of 4 cylinders this one also will exceed that on the highway in higher speed real world conditions. The EPA average speed for their test is in the high 40s whereas we averaged over 60 mph. EPA number tend to be conservative for smaller more aerodynamic cars.
I do doordash n could 100% afford this car. Only thing that has me worried is the gasmileage and space for bigger orders. seems like the car might be able to pull it off for what I need. i'm young n have little responsibility, might as well right?🤣
Thanks for watching! Could work for you. It is not the best on fuel economy and stop and go door dashing would put it in the low 20s for sure. But it would make the job fun. Good luck and happy motoring!
For non Americans: ~8.5L / 100km
Thanks, we always but the l/100 km in our full review vids. Probably should start doing that with the highway fuel efficiency runs.
Fuel economy is terrible but it’s fun lol
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yea, not the best fuel sipper. Highway it does pretty good.
Well, the car is very nice, but the RTV issues are still not solved, which means you will need to spend another budget to fix the RTV issue
Thanks for watching and weighing in on this topic. I think since the issue is understood it’s highly advised that folks get their car assessed to see if there is any rtv in their oil pan or oil filter before any damage.
Literally zero cars have blown their engines due to rtv. They blow up because the oil thins out and because the oil pan doesn’t have any baffles so in long corners the engine gets starved for oil because it all sloshes to one side
Just asking- you KNOW that oil thinning is a part of the problem? I have heard that it sloshes into the crank case and then can’t be picked up for circulation, but I haven’t heard anything about excessive thinning out… within normal oil intervals obviously
@@sshah2545 oil will thin at high temperature doesn’t matter if it’s just been changed that’s why you should get an oil cooler if you plan to track one of these cars
@@davidvusich1603 I’m aware of that. I’m speaking generally. I drive mine hard, but road hard, not track hard. I have been surprised by the amount of heat in the engine bay when I check my oil sometimes, but I question if that’s enough for thinning between regular intervals.
Was curious if you knew something I didn’t.
How is the mod aftermarket on this? cosmetic and perfromance?
I am not sure. Maybe an owner can chime in. Sure there are tons of exhaust and suspension and appearance kit out there. Tuning wise not much to do ECU wise since it does not have a turbo and is already running on premium. But an intake and better exhaust could add some more ponies. Thanks for watching!
is the road noise really bad??
It’s not atrocious. It is what you would expect. I think I state in the video it’s 72-73 dB and on par with a Miata RF. It is mostly road noise and many have changed to a quieter tire. I could take a 2-3 hour road trip in this just fine. Thanks for watching!
Agree with your review. Note, I disconnected the engine sound speaker, and it makes a very noticeable difference on road trips. I'm curious if different tires would also make a difference.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I mention in the full review I would disconnect that pumped in sound. Not that it sounds horrible but it’s just too much. Too bad you cannot adjust it to a lower level. Yes; I do think those sticky tires tend to be a little noisier. Thanks again and happy motoring!