Makita BL4040F Battery. Testing and Teardown of Makitas NEW HIGH OUTPUT Battery. Pouch Cells in it?
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- The new Makita 40v HIGH OUTPUT batteries are finally here, so what's the difference? Let's test 'em and pull 'em apart!
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Sorry for the audio glitches. Something must have happened in the processing of the video when it was uploaded to TH-cam.
no worries, it is just a few seconds :)
@@riba2233 Yeah I've only found 2 at the beginning so far.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL that's it yeah :)
At a guess I'd say you have the audio you don't want separated out to a different track in the output file and TH-cam is mashing them together. If you play the file locally does it have multiple audio track options with the audio that overlaps here? Like I said, just a guess but I'd be happy if I can help you avoid it in future!
sometimes the matrix needs to reset, no worries
Nice! I would say it's not tabless because Makita would be advertising that everywhere. But It's Makita, they could have an existing model with nuclear launch capabilities and they would simply release it with an N on the end of it, charge $10 more and no one would know why.
They are most likely tabless, there is no alternative for this kind of power increase, and we saw what tabless cells look like on new Milwaukee mx fuel packs. Same 4ah dark green cells with high power, this must be it :) they have basically double the continuous power, in the same volume and capacity, that kind of jump would be impossible with the old tech.
And makita rarely brags about the details of the new tech, they just advertise increased power that that's it :)
TTC, are you planning on testing XGT tools with this new battery?
the only reason makita cant say it out loud, is because it would be a huge scam to people who already got regular 4040, which are meeeh...
@@CraigularjJoeWoodworks with all due respect they are not battery experts and I am. They are tabless 100%, if you don't believe it now you will pretty soon.
@@riba2233 are you? the channel with video games and 250 subs?
now we have two bloggers, don't argue guys 😂
I don't usually get called a blogger...
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL i about echo )))
A 44 minute,40 volt, 4 amp video… 4 us to watch!
4 sure
I really like that Makita is sticking to a professional nomenclature. That thing is called whatever it is called, we know what it does, that's why we buy it. We don't need a silly name for everything. Also, I suspect that they will simply renew the entire lineup over time, just as we got the B-Series with LXT. Makita never made a big fuzz about that either. They were just better with that gauge on them and hence they slowly introduced them and phased out the old ones over time.
Yeah I believe that’s why makita are doing it. Adding names to things only ends up confusing the end user anyway. better to sneak in updates and phase out the old. feels seem less that way. also stops dead stock issues when people stop buying the original because the newest versions out.
@@richiejames928 It is a different product mate, with a different name, just without the marketing wank.. But hey, if you are into wankery, maybe Milwaukee is just the thing for you?
@@NameNaameNameeNaameenah, that’s Festool
@@JDAfrica I can’t for the life of me figure out how you think Festool has more marketing jargon than Milwaukee. FUEL, PACKOUT, High Output, FORGE, REDLITHIUM, and so many more. What does Festool have other than complicated model numbers?
that's all milwaukee is, a giant marketing circle jerk @@foxtrotmichael1
Love your work. Thanks for spending the time building up your knowledge and then sharing it clearly.
I'm going to try to keep the swearing down cause some people don't seem to fucking like it 🤣 gold
I'm so happy to watch an almost hour long video on Makita batteries 🎉
The full version is another 13 minutes longer...
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL perfect 🫡
‘Tools & Stuff’ has NO Equal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appreciate the effort involved. This was fascinating. Yes, guess I’m a Tool Nerd? 😆 😂👍
This toolnerd appreciates the time and effort you put into this video😅
Thanks for the science lesson bit of an information overload for a tradie like me 😂😂😂 but really interesting so thanks. Keep them coming.
I like those geek test 😁
'I got to say framing nailer inside a Makita video'
sick burn mate 😂
His Tools I checked my 40v 4.0ah the one with the thinner rail the number ends with AWS the thicker rail ones end in DWS thanks for your video
Welcome to Sydney buddy
If it is tablets fairplay to Makita for keeping up to the latest technology. I really hope that they release a pouch cell battery that is flatter than the 2.5 to go with a new impact driver like the 18 volt one with the fancy lights🙏. I heard that once tablets batteries get into mass production they will be cheaper as they are more simple to produce and like you said in your demonstration welding on a tab is a weak point in battery construction and in some cases can lead to failure. So we could be getting cheaper more robust batteries.
Love this video. Keep us nerds happy
Awesome vid. Assuming thats what Makita/cell maker did with the interior foils, that makes a lot of sense. Seems obvious in hindsight. Still waiting on a 40v multi-tool, random orbital sander, one-handed recip saw (that 18v 08 is perfect) and the 173 Impact version...
Yeah, it does seem very obvious in hindsight :)
I do the same man…random orbital sander..multi-tool…..
nice to see this. and for the explanation about these 'tabless' cells. Much appreciated.
But even other than such tabless... Elsewhere Honor have recently released a new foldable smartphone in China. And it's supposed to have new Silicon-Carbon anodes. But what is actually surprising is the fact that it's supposed to be some mass produced consumer product. And so getting something to market in itself is a good indicator that such things are moving forwards. And to actually prove in the market - that you can buy it, and use it.
However I'm not saying those other technology are necessarily suitable for power tools. It's just seems to be some general uptick now. To wider market.
That echo at the start had me panic I hat 2 identical tabs open 😂
Boom!! Top corner of the net, me being on the makita nerds top table I really love it when you go long format! Very interesting buuuut how much more are they? 20%? 30%? Or more 🤟🤟
About 1/3 more.
The Patreon version is another 13min longer!
Turns out im not that interested in batteries but all power to you! Im still here commenting as a show of support though.
👍👍👍.Thank you
Interesting. Cool. Cheers
29:28 are you sure they're copper plated? Copper corrodes fairly easily. These pins are usually nickel plated copper. The central pins are for comms and very low current. Could be gold plated to help get a good connection, but I don't know how well that would hold up on a tool battery.
doesn't look like gold. There are some copper alloys that are more resistant to corrosion, I found them on nissan leaf battery buss bars and in general on some high power connectors. But yeah, these are low power. So, what do you say about the new 21700's by murata? pretty crazy stuff! Makes ouch cells obsolete for most cases :)
@riba2233 yeah, doesn't seem shiny enough, but hard to tell on my phone. Copper alloys more resistant than nickel? Must be something to do with poor connections interfering with the comms.
Yeah, they seem good. Can't wait to see the datasheet.
@@toolscientist👍
@riba2233 i think pouch cells have a place in batteries smaller than 18650 or bigger than 21700. The Dewalt 1.7ah seems like a handy battery. The 5ah powerstack not so much, as I'd rather take a 6ah 21700
@@toolscientist agreed 100%, you can't go too small with cylindricals
Great review, you really covered all the details and went above any beyond! This is how you do a YT video, well researched and presented ;)
Makita going in the right direction, this is so much better than pouch cells, compared to milwaukee forge 6ah, more capacity and more power with better safety and quality thanks to cylindrical cells.
Cheers, much appreciated ;)
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL any time 😊
Can you shed a little light on those a little less informed on the benefits of these over dewalts, flex's and milwaukee's approach using pouch cells?
@@N1rOx cylindrical cells are by design more mechanically robust compared to pouch cells, they can't bloat, harder to puncture, easier to weld and assemble in a robust pack, etc etc
I have to agree. This is what journalism should be (and used to be, sometimes).
Cool video. Thanks. so just to clarify. makita are not using the new pouch tech the Milwaukee are using with the new forge battery’s?
Instead they are using ever so slightly upgraded conventional cells by the looks of it
Tabless cylindrical cells are much better tech then pouch cells in larger battery pouch cells aren't going to last as long. I really think if they are a tabless battery they are going to have less chance of things going wrong with them
@@aaronoconnor606 time will tell I guess
it is not ever so slightly, it is almost double the power over the old tech, it is a huge deal and better than pouch cells in every way.
@@riba2233 I didn’t see anything double in this video at all. What are you talking about?
@@richiejames928did you see a battery tested used in this video? Just wait for the cell level tests and you'll see. Current ones are 30 A continuous, new ones are at least 60
The new battery did seem to put out just a little more juice! I'm afraid to see the price tho! 😂
The price will be more then the original 4Ah but less then the 5Ah If they are a tabless cell they will last longer then anything on the market my guess is they will be putting tabless cells into every size battery over time. So the price increases will be worth the improved life of the battery with less heat issues
I'm sad, my original XLT battery just stopped charging. 2005. Makita does add things to the battery and name them. I still run lots of 3ah none star 18 volt. When they switched I looked and had a hard time finding a battery that was not a star. If it has a star then the tool and battery talk. When they first change the battery looked very similar to the current 40 v batteries. When the new battery is all that is available they will say something about it quietly.
When Makita changes something like the logo then they changed something it the tool. I think that I have 3 different 18 v 3ah batteries that are all the same model number. None star, star, and fuel gauge. They all have different logos on them. And have different run times when new.
Personally I like that Makita doesn't put things like star on the side of my battery. Or high out put. It makes no sense to. The older battery is on longer sold and only the new one is. So in a year when d&m don't make the old battery. What will make the battery that I buy high output? It's all they sail and now make. Personally I will stay with Makita tools.
Perhaps it does not overheat so easily,with some chemical addition that stops that,maybe
i cant see a link to the video about what will and won’t accept the new f battery?
Will the 40v top handle take the new 4.0amp f battery please?
it will.
Sorry, here it is th-cam.com/video/kMIW3Vg2yME/w-d-xo.html
nice blog thanks.
LXT version required.
Just imagine what a monster the DHP486 would be if Makita could be bothered to build a battery that can keep up with it.
My guess is they will do this once they have sold off all the old stock. It will just be a update like when they added a fule gage to their batteries.
fact is tabless cells will be the only thing being made in a year or 2 from now
@@aaronoconnor606 That'd be pretty neat. Currently I'm on the 2Ah and 6Ah batteries anyway, which I suspect aren't the spiciest Makita has on offer even within the LXT line. So I'd be curious to see what my tools can do when there's some extra jam available.
Hey i watch the full vdo, but i have a question, us the new makita battery already use cell with a bunch of tab already? Or still a single tab ones? Thank you for a kind reply.
35:56 here is what i mean
@@dejwongkittikun3178 old ones are not tabless, these are the first ones
@@riba2233Thanks Riba, so you mean the Makita 40v current one is multiple or single tab ones?
@@dejwongkittikun3178 this one is multiple, every other one is single
Waiting for the 2.5 amp hour version..
Been using pouch cells in rc vehicles for years, The ipod classic that lasts a week has a single one in it.
Once theyre stacked, they dont seem to last long, before bloating up. Then your in trouble if you dont know how to dispose of lipos.
Dont mess with the zohan electronics store, hey its sorny guts.
Spicy pillows. Seen lots in Microsoft Surfaces, they can break the screen from behind. Terrifying.
@@MattTester Yeah thats why theyre not quite common. Still to many problems for the average user.
Not sure if youll see this Tools, but you got me onto the 40v platform a couple years back when they came to the UK.
I've ran all my circ saws and mitre saw on 2.5ah, but when ripping wet studs the other day the batteries drained right down after just one or two passes.
I was looking at getting a 5ah for extra longevity, and for the 305mm mitre saw. The 4ah high output is basically the same price, £10 less.
Would you say the 4ah high output is the one to go for?
Cheers
The 5 and 4f basically have the same power, but the 5 runs 25% longer but is much larger. Overall the 4f is the nicer battery and is my go to for power and size.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thanks Tools 👍
You're mint tools!
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Put a little stirling fan in to cool it off.
I am confused why the 4Ah battery should have same energy like the 5 Ah battery. Below battery, it is written 144Wh. Same on the old 4Ah battery. And this is right, because 36V x 4 Ah = 144 Wh.
Another interesting fact: F version has an IP 64 protection according to datasheet. Old version not. Or it is not written in datasheet.
He explained why a tabless cell is around 40% more efficient they don't have spots that get to hot. And is uses the stored energy way more effectively the old tabbed cells have a bottle neck and don't use all the energy stored in the battery. That's why a 4Ah battery can make more power and last just as long because it's used 90% of the stored energy.
the old tabbed cell would probably only use 70% with less output and worse heat management
@@aaronoconnor606so basically the regular 40v 4Ah is losing a fair amount in heat, this new one is so efficient we're getting the real deal for 4Ah.
What's an X-Wing without it's wings called?
amazing
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Use a small screw to get the plug out, when finished turn the plug over and replace, jobs a good en
Hey mate, something wrong with the audio bro. Nice review but 👌🏽
Where in the video?
00:41
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
2:20
I have to say, as a big Makita fan, I have been, and still am, perplexed at Makita’s approach to their battery lineup. This video further enhances that feeling. Their ‘arrogant’ approach to the limiting of the LXT lineup, is still a sore point with me. Great tools that could benefit from better batteries. I am not implying the current LXT batteries are bad, but I have to wonder how much better a planer, or saw, or an angle grinder would run, using 21700 based batteries? Not to mention at higher capacities than 6.0 Ah!
I know there would be fitment issues on some tools, but that has not stopped Milwaukee, DeWalt, etc.?
Great stuff here, Cheers !!!
Tabless cells will probably become standard my guess is makita will just end up using tabless cells in all batteries within a year or 2. I don't know why they would continue to use old technology when manufacturing the old stuff is just takeing up space in the factory every battery manufacturing company will adopt this over time and tabed cells will be a thing of the past. Makitas plan will be to sell off all the old stuff and slowly replace it with better so will every other tool manufacturer
I hope that they resale18v 9.0 Ah sony/murata vtc6 15 cells
Doubt they will but you can make your own!
Interesting
Do you know if rhis battery will look the same world wide? With rhe gold sticker
Every other Makita battery is the same so I imagine this will be too.
This is what the 4 Ah battery should of been from the start
yeah, if only they had these cells 4 years ago
Echo..echo..echo... Makita... Makita... Makita....😂
What's up with the audio reverberating
When will these be released? Anyone know
They are released already
In the us?
@@alanjimenez1449 not sure, but they are out in the eu, japan, aus&nz at least
How does Murata not have them on their own website. Kinda fishy 🤔
too new/secret probably
probably some exclusivity contract, nothing new..
@@izoyt Milwaukee also uses these cells in the new mx fuel packs. And they have to at least make the safety datasheet available to the public, which they could do soon imho
@riba2233 is that confirmed? EVE also has tabless cells, and Milwaukee has been seen using EVE lately.
@@toolscientist yep, they had an open pack on the showcase
Whats the go with the audio?
What is wrong with it, and at what time? I haven't noticed a problem at my end???
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL from 2:10 mark į thought į was watching 2 videos at once.
40 secs in and like 2.10 in
Please do a review on the new 40v grinder, model number GA050GZ vs the past model 40v grinder
It's already up on Patreon.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL😮😮 can't wait to see!
Maybe he said it but i missed it, anyone know if you can replace cells in the new 40v batteries? My understanding is that the board would shut down on the old ones so even if you soldered and everything correctly it was bricked, no recovery.
Same, it bricks itself
The stickers over the charge lights are terrible. Most of mine have come off
I don't even do any building or anything, but for some reason I'm a 'tool nerd' 😆
Makita, Flex…ing on the competition 😂
Umm... in what way?
Something is wrong with the sound....😊
Where in the video is there a sound problem? I can't find any issue?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 0:42 - 0:44 double audio, 0:48 2:20
Every now and then the voice was talking over each other I skipped 10 seconds every time it happened
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL wurde schon beantwortet.....😅
Grüße aus Deutschland....
Макита, сделай уже этот чертов каркасный нейлер!!!111
You should review a Panasonic tool.
Crikey! That's a great idea 💡 👍
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL can you get Panasonic batteries in New Zealand? They make some nice impact drivers and insulation driver /drills
@@aaronoconnor606 Yes
Watt did he say?
yep, same "tech" as in new "tesla" cells etc..
No audio for half of it??
Something wrong at your end. Try it on a different device.
Need a 18v version
They will eventually because why would battery manufacturers continue to make a inferior product. They use the exact same amount of resources. No one is going to want the old battery technology once makita has sold off all the old batteries they will be useing the current technology available as it will become standard.
@@aaronoconnor606 hopefully mate, every other tool company is doing it
I hate it when my clone starts repeating everything I say
Glitch in the Matrix
Vx40 about 4$ for 1 old cell (99%, 4.5ohm) in Viet Nam
Yeah, idk where they got them from lol
All my star batteries on my 18 volt will not work with my drills and impact set from 2015, which is the teal color ,but my older set which is white from 2012 will except my 5ah and 6ah 18v batteries minus my reciprocating saw that can only accept a 3ah
That is easy to fix
I always remove those plastic stops. the tools work fine
Does this new high output battery last as long as a 5ah battery on the 40v blower?
Interesting, Tools, you should do a thingo about putting out the fire, how to dispose of a battery pack thats melted down
I don't understand: the 4050F... has and F in it, the 4080F... has one in it... So what the F
More power output
Standing by for thermal runaway.
Alot of double audio in the first 2 minutes.
Not a fan of the different sticker though, kinda makes it look like a knock-off battery.
If you have another child will you name it Makita ??????????????????????????
Another?
I can't call 2 of them Makita.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 😅
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL😅
Why alter your speech because a few people complain, when the vast majority don't care. If the ones complaining don't like it, go someplace else. Stand your ground and don't let the woke or Karin's of the world tell you what you can and can't say.
You may need to listen to that bit again to hear what I did there. 😉
I don’t know some clowns on TH-cam bithching Makita, I just got my drill kit XGT and SDS plus rotary hammer drill and I love it. Most of my tools are Dewalt and Milwaukee but now I’m starting to get more into Makita tools I love the ergonomics and of course the Japanese pedantic quality…
I loved the explanation of the battery 'tabs' 🙏👍. Typ. tech that's usually explained in ways that make sure we don't understand by people who don't give an F.
Yep, great visual explanation, that is the way
Not available in UK. Annoying as fuck!!
Makita UK rep didn’t even know about this battery. With such a big powertools market here it’s unfathomable why we get left behind with this release.
Annoys the shit out of me.