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I got the latest iPhone and I was VERY surprised to see what it was capable of for both modern and retro games, even without jailbreaking.
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Hi Wulff Den, I'm the creator of Afterplay. I was really delighted to see it in your video. I've been watching your content for years and I'm a huge fan. If you have any questions about or suggestions for Afterplay it would be great to connect :)
Will RetroAchievements get added?
@MrPatrickCorrigan does Afterplay work with iPhone 13 Pro Max? Was trying to find a compatible device list online but couldn’t find one. Really hoping it does cause it looks great!
@@drugfreebobbyIt's a web app. It works on basically any device on the planet that comes with a modern web browser. Whether or not it will run good depends on what browser you use and how new your device is. An iPhone 13 should be more than powerful enough to play everything in at least the free tier, especially if you use Chrome or Brave or any other Chromium based browser. Safari should work as well, but won't be as fast.
@@drugfreebobbyit works with any device :) iPhone, Mac, Android, PC. Your saves are synced across all your devices
@@mandbgamesYes I am hoping to add these :)
Quick sidenote!: The EU has recently mandated Apple allow side loading on iOS within the first half of 2024. This means that 3rd parties can make their own apps available outside of the app store and emulators can be brought to the iPhone.
Japan too, apparently.
Great news
iOS is becoming more and more like android 😂
Tim “homosexuality is totally not a mental illness” Cook will only make that an option in Europe and not the Americas.
its true but apple being apple made it super hard to do and i saw some pop ups that leaked that basically saids you cant use the appstore if your using an alternate appstore so idk if thats true but if it is apple being annoying again
It's crazy to see the progress smartphones have come in the handheld gaming market. I remember when people lost their minds when you could play Final Fantasy on phones for the first time, and now we are getting games like Death Stranding and the Resident Evil remake.
It's only going uphill from here 📈
true, the biggest hurdle right now is all the hardware than can run stuff like ps2 and gamecube very well also gets hot super quick and throttles pretty bad, but in a few years that might not be the case (that or phone coolers might become popular xD)
I remember playing dead rising on an iphone 4, now we have the best call of duty game ever made
@@deeznuttes9340bruh, what? My a52 runs every PS2 and GC game like it's sending an MMS
It’s even more crazy that phone cameras are good enough for professional video
And my very normally priced phone easily runs stuff like Genshin with very acceptable performance, it's pretty crazy.
I thought I'd have to shell out like a 1000 bucks to be satisfied, but for the occasional supplementary gaming session on my balcony etc., this is incredible value and convenience.
I just wish phones came with power and volume buttons in places where they'd serve as gamepad buttons so you don't need a peripheral as much, I'm surprised they haven't leaned into that as much with the rise of games such as the aforementioned Genshin.
I also miss the popularity of the mechanism present in PSP Go etc., makes the phone thicker and complicates cooling, but I'd get tons of use out of a panel that has a gamepad and an actual keyboard I can feel.
If you add the afterplay site to your home screen it’ll play full screen and look like a normal app even though it’s still a web app behind the scenes.
Like Game Pass for iphone
Bro, I literally just got my Backbone controller & I’m honestly blown away by the gaming capabilities. Feeling like I didn’t need to spend $$ on Disney Dreamlight Valley & Stardew Valley, Shovel Knight Dig, etc. on my Switch… I have Apple Arcade & I just downloaded Afterplay like yesterday!! It was mad easy to download roms & start playing. (I’m playing the Fire Emblem game for GBA rn actually! Never played it before tbh) Got mad love for Nintendo in my heart, but I feel like half my most played games run great on my iPhone 15 Pro. & Xbox Cloud gaming *hasn’t* been terrible for me! I LOVE playing The Sims 4 handheld.
Legit I use Xbox cloud gaming with a backbone, it’s an excellent experience
I kind of hope Nintendo like takes note of this and adjusts how they do their retro catalogue for switch 2 or indies adjust prices accordingly
Man... I remember playing PS1 emulators on my OG iphone SE several years back... The leaps in tech we've taken are absolutely astonishing, in that we can play such huge, demanding games on such small, efficient hardware. Heck, my SE could barely run Digital Devil Story, and now I can just throw it all in my pocket, and not have to worry about performance.
Lol, Nokia Ngage could play PS1-like games in 2003 (in an awful resolution and aspect-ratio, but still)
@@GameSpirit1being able to play ps1 like games is different than emulating ps1 games
@Moop666 well yeah his comment is different than ps1 emulation but at least for android that's been possible for years without a issue. Now there's duckstation android which is even more accurate.
If you’re willing to do the setup, there are options to sideload emulators. However, most do require resigning profiles. But this can get you retroarch on your device to expand the amount of emulator systems.
Hopefully the EU regulation thingy can force apple to open up sideloading (actually sideloading without signing every x days)
Altstore is great for that coz it'll do it automatically for you when your Mac is running
Surprised he didn't talk about Delta (Or even Ignited, a fork of Delta that continues updating unlike Delta). Considering both give you NES, SNES, N64, All the Gameboys, DS, and even the Sega Genesis (Ignited includes genesis, master, and game gear for free). Find it scummy to charge the capability to play DS games when chances are the emulator used isn't even original work.
But, if your device supports TrollStore, you can sideload emulators without Resigning your apps every 7 days and remove the 3-app limit
@@sonicskylineI have been using SideStore, which is essentially the same thing except you don’t need a Mac or pc to sync up to. Which made it a lot more enticing of an option for me!
Surprised he didn’t talk about delta emulator. It’s one of the best and most popular ones.
Yeah agreed! You can get it pretty easily paying for a service like Signulous - much cheaper than the browser options
Was just bouta say this
No mention of AltStore and Delta emulator... that has to be one of the easiest way of getting ROMs working on iOS natively.
Also Provenance, it runs fantastic on the latest Apple TV 4K, we played a good 6 hours of DK64 on it the other day!
Straight up, Delta is amazing
It’s because you have to modify and add the application if you want to have it. And every month or so it stops working.(due to apples stupidity) So there really isn’t any point to bring it up since not everyone wants to go through the long process to do it.
Rewind 6 years ago this is when I started the journey of mobile gaming it impressed upon me if this is the only option maybe gaming isn’t for me right now. Fast forward to today with a steam deck and miyoo mini I happily game 1-3 hours a day and emulate with experiences similar to original native hardware play
Thanks Bob! Afterplay was really good to discover.
Would be cool to see a more in depth review of Afterplay. I’m curious as to how it affects the iPhones internal storage, battery life, and just a general emulation demo through all the different systems and games. Looks promising either way! Great vid as always
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Do not like this reply to stop these kinds of comments
Bob give this man a steam deck. Ignore those other guys.
@@SurrealCubeOnly Do stupid comments keep you up at night
Sure, have a like
I love answering calls on my gaming handheld 😂
edit: No one calls me 😢
I’ll call you son
Another thing to consider is that when the EU also forces Apple’s hand to allow sideloading apps, retroarch is a perfect solution for the iPhone. I was recently in the same position wanting to use my phone as a gaming system without installing shady custom firmware. I was able to find a workaround to allow sideloading (admittedly still kinda shady) and played systems up to the Gamecube using retroarch without issue.
Just a heads up for anyone interested.
Backbone silently updated their Backbone One to v2.
This v2 of course ships out of the gate with iPhone 15 (Pro) support, but also made a few quality of life changes.
It has interchangeable and removable magnetic adapters to fit more phones, and the brackets at the front have also been raised.
It basically eliminated all the issues I had with the v1, the iPhone 15 Pro Max fits perfectly, with a case as well. Highly recommend it.
Setting up an nfc chip/sticker/card to scan and take you straight to emulating whatever game or emulator you choose would be nifty. That’d be a convenient keychain to have
Incredible work here Bob, the iphone video looks incredible!!
It's nice to see options open for iPhone users with emulation. Hopefully iPhones in all regions will be allowed to sideload in the future.
Another great video Bob, thank you and happy new year ❤
Hahah the counting of the 3 ports on the UGREEN charger got me good, Bob.
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I just picked up a Gamesir G8 Galileo and a cheap Surface Duo 2. Amazing little retro machine capable up to PS2/GC/3DS. With large dual 5.8” 4:3 OLED 90hz displays, even 16:9 content on one display is big enough for PSP and Vita 3K.
I’m done buying handhelds. Between my Ally and the Surface Duo 2, I’m all set.
Great video! I’ve been looking to retrofit my iPhone 13 mini plus MagSafe battery as a on-the-go gaming machine. All the other browser based programs I’ve seen require a controller which defeats the purpose. For my daily flow, I must keep packing light, and I do not want another thing to carry or charge. Touchscreen work just fine for retro JPG’s (which is what I play)
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I’ve been using delta on my iPhone for 4 years now, really made travelling great for me.
Wow thank you for sharing the ability to emulate gba and such on my phone, I was able to even download a ROM for golden sun and use afterplat without using my pc
Bob you're so genuine and funny. Great video. I had no idea Afterplay was a possibility ... very cool stuff.
And lol at the part about the intrusive ad. I don't think your sponsorship segments are intrusive at all. We usually get to see a dog!
They kinda are but his are the only ads I don't skip. He always has an interesting sketch
Decent through content like always.
Love the video Bob. I got a lot of great info I had no idea about. Deff will give IPhone emulation a try now that non jailbreak is a thing
I would LOVE to see a video about your phone as a camera!
There are a ton of good Android ports for classic RPGs like Dragon Quest 1-6 and you can play them all with one hand thanks to the amazing controls
Afterplay is so sick!
Theres a new version of the Backbone that supports cases. It comes wirh magnetic attachments that you can swap to use with and without cases. The packaging doesnt look any different, but you'll know its the new version if it says v2 near rhe SKU. Also, it should specifically say 2nd generation in online retailer's product description. Otherwise, its probably rhe older version.
That's awesome, I have the razor phone controller (both versions) and neither offer support for cased phones
Nice iPhone camera, definitely make that video!
Any particular reason you didn’t mention sideloading? Been using Ignite for NDS, Limón for 3DS and RetroArch for PSP on my iPhone 15PM with no issues so far!
Are you using AltStore for the sideloading? Do any of the apps you listed require JIT? And, if so, what are you using to enable that on your device? Have you been able to get it working over Wi-Fi or have a method when you’re outside of your home network?
@@mdrockwellvideos They do not require JIT but you could enable it. I haven’t and have not meet any performance issues so far. Tried with GTA VC Stories, God of War and KillZone Liberation among others…
Yeah, I was curious why he didn’t mention side loading or the alt store too.
Indeed, I use the same apps as well through AltStore
Maybe because the setup is more involved and the fact you need to be resigning every week without the yearly $99. I gave up on it personally, reminded me of when I used to jailbreak everything but it gets tiring.@@WonderTwin89
Maybe it's because your main camera is so good, but I immediately noticed the lower quality of the iPhone camera lol.
This is kinda what I've been telling people for a while now for both iPhone and Android. iPhone now has games being developed for it specifically, but the fact that I can emulate Switch games like DBFZ and Samurai Showdown on my Samsung phone with little to no frame dips proves that Android's no slouch either
What’s cool is if you sideload on iOS, you get pretty close to how many consoles android can work good performance. You talking about switch emulation is interesting because iOS now has a switch emulator that’s a port of yuzu. Since iPhones don’t have as much ram as androids. Really the 15 pro and above can only run switch with its 8gb ram. The app is called sudachi and it’s in its infancy and is not even a month old yet so it has problems currently but is getting better. I was able to atleast run Mario odyssey at a ok frame rate but crashes at opening door or beating boss because of hitting a memory limit which might be a memory leak of some kind. iPads with 8gb ram and above can run it too. I belive that started on m1 devices.
Currently Android is running computer games with native emulation using Mobox, it is running GTA V with stable fps and using half of its processing power. Elden Ring is also working now, but it is in testing
@@The_Guts the only reason it can do that is because it uses the Linux kernel which means it can also use wine and box86 or fex-emu (which is what cassia uses) which are pretty good at what they do. Somone I know is porting boxedwine to iOS but that’s about it for iOS really at the moment.
Yeah its why even tho my iPhone 13 does smoother than my s24 ultra in cod mobile (loads very fast and gameplay is smooth the s24 is too but feels different with aiming like too sensitive) s24 is more fun with easy access to emulation. It's a headache to do emulation on iphone and probably always will be even with sideloadin coming
@speedracer123222 idk where that info came from cause ios barely got 3ds not that long ago so that's a shock it got switch at all
If you have your dropbox linked to your iCloud desktop on your laptop, you should be able to directly add the roms from your iPhone by accessing your Mac desktop from the Files app
Also, if you add the afterplay link as a bookmark to your homescreen, it functions like a webapp where you don’t have the browser interface
If you're into sideloading, I highly recommend Delta emulator.
Even if you're not into sideloading, I highly recommend Delta emulator.
Yo IPhone gaming sounds pretty cool! I love videos like these especially when you talk about emulating on it! You’re one of the few TH-camrs that aren’t afraid of Nintendos ninjas 😂
Got a backbone for Christmas. It did work immediately on my iPhone 15 Pro Max. They also now have an iPhone sticker on the box.
The fact that people don't know about Delta bogles my mind. Riley Testut really pioneered all of this.
So cool of your friend to let you borrow their phone.
i use AltStore to sideload emulators on my iPhone (iNDS for DS, and doliohinios for GC, provenance for ps1/n64/gameboy/etc)
I would just be happy to see Steam Remote Play work well as well and more stable PC controls via iPhone such as Wake On LAN
love the vids!!!
Your channel is one of my favorites, I recommend it to all my friends.
Love the content..I used my backbone up till I upgraded to the 15 pro max had to give it away since it has the lightning cable. I then came across the gamesir g8 it by far way better than the backbone by every aspect.
Thank you for this video… I’ve been wanting to get a handheld but don’t have the extra money right now so Afterplay is perfect for me. Playing GBA games now. Currently Zelda (Minish Cap) . A game I’ve never played so the fact it’s all free is awesome.
I think it would be a good thing for apple to be more involved as a gaming platform. They certainly have powerful enough hardware. It's just a completely different infrastructure to the x86 stuff like windows and most consoles. And that takes it's own dedicated development time and development staff that know how to work on that. Arm64 is basically going to have to prove it can consistently run anything that can boot up on x86 and likely have some sort of emulation of x86, if that is even a possibility (I have an extremely basic and miniscule understanding of CPU architecture so this is as best as I understand the landscape), so development can be a smoother process all around and that can entice more development for Arm64 based hardware.
i just switched to the iphone 15 pro max as my first iphone, and playing vampire survivors and the GTA games with a backbone controller has been my primary way of gaming for months 🤣
It's funny how Apple is now trying to entice game development on their platform when gaming was new the devs wanted to develop on Mac but Apple thought it was beneath them/not worthwhile or something. MicroSoft invited game development on their OS and people often cite that as the reason why Windows became the dominant OS in the market.
kinda tough when you can just straight up download melon DS or dolphin on an android but gotta jump through all these hoops on iphone
Plus there are some actual dedicated handhelds running through Android. Apple doesn't have that right now.
i don't get why people keep paying for expensive phones that lock you out of doing what you want with your *own device.*
android phones have had big games and emulation for over a decade now.
@@NimaRiverlocksimple: security. I’m a gamer and I would love to have emulators on my iPhone, but not when they could steal all my password and log info to my bank, retirement plan, etc
Hi Wulfdenn, I believe once flio device get better, there will be controllers released for them and eventually get rid of major competitors in retro market
I really hope more games come to iPhone and Mac over the next couple years. The new translation/porting stuff that they introduced at WWDC is really promising, and I'm hoping game companies see how easy it is now and decide "why not" put it on Mac. Not having to buy a PC ever again would be nice, lol
thank you Bob 🙏
Hi Bob, I’ll probably upgrade my iPhone 14 Pro next year when the iPhone 16 comes out. I’m glad to see that gaming is possible on the iPhone though!
Running PPSSPP on my 15 Pro Max using SideStore to sideload the app. Paired with a backbone controller, it’s a really good experience.
Wow apple seems to have catch-up with 2018 android, major w
If we get sideloading on iPhones, maybe it gets better.
Blackmagic for the win! Damn this video looks pretty awesome being filmed on the phone.
I made a nice setup for GameBoy and Gameboy Advance using Retroarch with community made touch overlays and Syncthing for syncing roms and saves
The Dog made this a special video for me 😂😂🥰
I've definitely been playing games more on my s24 ultra since they made it powerful enough. I have an iPhone 15 too I've been messing with the delta app on. Pretty solid experience.
The only reason I knew this was shot on iPhone was I know what focal length you usually use and that ain’t it lol
Noticed the change of video but didnt realize it was an iphone. As an android guy, i will admit, the iphone camera is hard to beat and looks amazing
Can’t get over how cute that shirt is
Backphone 2.0 also supports phone cases! They’re just attachments so maybe they sell them separately?
im glad this type of functionality is on iphone, its one of the main reasons i havent wanted one, and the US is trying to get apple to allow sideloading on their phones like the EU just did which is gonna make this even cooler
When did the us demand apple to allow side loading?
@@mortemincarnatam2836notice the word 'trying'. they havent yet but theyre working on it
I love the video but most of this especially the emulation can be done on an android right? Psp, ds, gameboy,nes,snes etc all have emulators on the android app store, and you can get roms from multiple sites...
THANKS !! I just switched to iPhone and I was so sad that I couldn't emulate anymore
it's still not what I really wanted (an app on the iphone, without subscription, and with DS and wii emulation) but it's a big step qwq
I hope we would see Dolphin emulator or Drastic on iPhone, these were the best one-time buy emulator
I use a Galaxy Phone with Samsung DEX and a type-C hub. For portable use I pair a dual shock 4 and put retroarch into forced multi-window mode, hold it in portrait mode and just use the DS4 while holding the phone with my back fingers.
There was an Apple 13-pin to HDMI adapter, my school had those to connect their iPad 2s to the school projectors and I think there are Lightning to HDMI adapters out there but I never seen one in person.
You should check out the Gamesir Gen 8 Galileo. It stomped my poor Backbone into the ground. Much bigger, feels like an actual XBox controller, and the buttons have a genuinely premium clickiness to them. Makes mobile gaming DRAMATICALLY better.
For the games with controller support anyways. Which will be anything on the emulator. I’m grabbing that for sure. Especially when the PS1 stuff comes out.
You just described the exact reason I sold my retroid pocket 3. I just don’t take the time to change from my phone to the handheld EXCEPT for the only handhelds I use and own still- old Nintendo, my original gameboy advance I modded, sometimes a gbc, and even a ds sometimes
you should've tried emulation on the new galaxy fold, it's great!!!
You can run apps like this natively on an iPhone without jailbreaking it but you would have to use a sideloader like scarlet with no pc or on sideloadly with a pc. Both of these options aren’t great because you can only have a certain amount of time until you have to redownload the app. You can run the NES all the way up to the nds for free and no ads. There is also dolphin emulator but you would need a jailbreak for jit support 😐
You don't need to redownload the app. If Sideloadly is running it refreshes the apps automatically over wifi, with no loss of games or data. You can also enable JIT without jailbreaking but to be fair it doesn't work on the latest versions of iOS.
What about a phone case with rails on the top and bottom, which joy con type controllers slide on for game use, and clip to the back of the case when not playkng, same sort of profile as the apple mag safe power bank. Less bulk, still relatively pocketable and full fat buttons.
also worth noting that at 3:20 you should put the topside (camera) of the iPhone into the backbone first rather than the USB-C so you don't damage the USB-C header :D
This is most important for the ProMax version!
10:07 if you buy a Backbone USB-C now it comes with the firmware (I know you mention it a minute later, but just incase anyone clicks off). It also has support for cases, with a hotswappable adapter in the box. (Which isn't mentioned)
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Thank you Daddy Bob for telling me about this! I didn’t even know about there was an option for a gba emulator on my phone! Can’t wait to destroy my productivity at work
Honestly seeing how you gotta go through some weird loops, which may include paying a _subscription_, to get emulation on an iPhone makes me happy that emulation on an Android is just...installing the emulators.
The algorithm has sent me Keanu Reeves. Keanu has an iPhone main too! I’m so excited. Good breakdown sir!
There’s a standalone browser based DS emulator and it’s free. Also it supports Dropbox sync for saves
Bob filming on a 15 Pro Max: Indistinguishable from a normal camera.
Me filming on a 15 pro max: 🥔
Despite hearing "b roll" constantly, this is the first time I've ever heard or even considered the term "a roll"
might have to try this out. I already play my xbox on the cloud while im away with a backbone
Should have gone with the Samsung S23 Ultra. It has native support for mGBA, Dolphin, and retro arch. You can also do achievements.
The alt store!!!
Now I want a backbone controller!
I could definitely see the difference between this and your usual video quality - but I'm a video nerd (like you).
love the order of ecclesia music choice
Man I remember emulating FFX(PS1) on my Samsung Galaxy S3 over 10 yrs ago. I've been on/off iPhone/Android (mostly Apple). We need more emulation for sure
I find it so funny when people say “this was shot on an iPhone”
Before they say that I don’t notice anything different, but then the TH-camr says that and I’m like”oh yeah that’s shot on a phone”
Well, what I think of it is... I'll stick to open platforms no matter what. History and my own experience with Apple devices in the past has shown that you cannot trust them that functionality will remain the same. Way back I used my iPod to download TH-cam videos for on the go when I had no internet, and they removed those apps later. They also deleted apps I purchased and I couldn't redownload them on newer Apple devices. I'd rather be on a platform where I have control over my device, and subsequently, my apps, software and save files
Hi! What software do you use on the iPhone for filming?
People paying a subscription so they can emulate games, what a time to be alive.
Software devs deserve to be paid. Afterplay is good software, so its dev deserves to be able to monetize it. Besides there's a bunch for free and no ads.
I used to side load my emulators and it worked great but you gotta pay Apple $99 to get developer access or you’ll have to redownload the emulators every week. But with Apple it’s every year. And it works natively. And to get more performance it’s an Apple shortcut workaround. It’s all a bit jank but it worked. I have a switch now so I just play on there now but side loading on a non jailbroken iPhone is very much possible just a learning curve
I normally don't like playing games on my phone unless it's made for mobile instead of a game designed to be played with a controller gets added on there. I just think it's a huge hastle to play a game on my phone, but I pull it out to play Angry Birds or something like that.
One question. The backbone with USB-C I feel it needs an accesory as the lightning model had for new Iphones. Do you have a solution for that?
There are even better sideloading options now, Stuff like sidestore will let you sideload retroarch and ignited (Nintendo emulator for DS, N64 and below) and just resign every 7 days w/ a vpn. Basically a tetherless sideloader as long as you have Wifi **Completely Free**