This series of videos with Mike made the biggest difference to my ball striking, Mike talks, Eric listens intensely, this really is top class uncomplicated instruction
Any videos or tips you can point to related to the “making sure your lead arm matches your joints”? The timing of this video is spot on (I’m trying to change my swing to throwing for all the reasons mentioned in the video), but I find I am questioning how weak/strong to make my left (lead) hand Thanks!
Great question Joe! We have a bunch of videos on lead arm if you search my name and "lead arm" here on youtube youll find some....but we do not have any specifically on matching joint.....I would search Mike's channel for that one!!
I’m a scratch player, and I can tell you that he NAILED THIS. I’ve experimented with the forearm roll type swing. I can hit it further, and strike is even a little more consistent. However, direction is a surprise on every shot. I didn’t like that, so I went back to keeping the face more square to the arc throughout my swing. I simply cock the wrists BACK, and release them forward. I don’t hit it quite as far, and sometimes I’ll catch it a little heavy, or thin, because it doesn’t feel as natural, and feels a little restrictive. But, the direction is VERY predictable. Just like he said…. It’s 2 different ways to play golf. Pick your poison. Haha
I love the dramatic illustration with a big club head! I once saw a guy with a six foot tooth brush to put in his child’s bedroom. To make sure he or she would remember to brush their teeth!
Awesome right wrist / elbow action! I always doubt when twisting my elbor / wrist that will decrease the probability of a good impact... Now I'll definitely try it out next time at the range. But how about when hitting w/ a Wood / Hybrid / Driver? or even a Wedge?
In terms of this part of the swing would be the same for all! Def other differences tho....I go over those here: th-cam.com/video/TJtx-qVSgVU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUbRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGRyaXZlciB2cyBpcm9u th-cam.com/video/vj3py9jZ6q8/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUbRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGRyaXZlciB2cyBpcm9u
So funny 🙂 Yesterday I was watching Eric give tips of Seniors getting more distance and rolling through impact was one of the tips. I tried it today and wow I either popped it way out right or closed the face so far I hit it off the toe, possibly because this and body turn don't work together. Also in trying to do this I couldn't unhinge my left wrist correctly or apply pressure with my right. I can do pitches around the green like this as long as I still have my hands pass the ball before impact It is clear you do roll the forearms in the swing, but it is all done pretty much above horizontal on both sides of the ball and is a reaction to the shoulder socket movement and the elbows bending. (R on back swing and L on Follow through) It is not something that I think you should do consciously. I agree save this video, no download it.
Forearm supination / pronation is anatomically associated with external /internal shoulder rotation , so when Mr Malaska says that he externally rotates his trail shoulder going back , he is ALSO supinating ( trail Palm more up) his trail forearm without even thinking about it. Because he has externally rotated his trail shoulder going back , his trail forearm is facing almost perpendicular at the top. This is similar to Tigers position at the top and basically simplifies the transition by eliminating any need for further trail shoulder external rotation and shallowing going down . It also probably requires some trail wrist extension going back to naturally offset any opening of the clubface resulting from external shoulder rotation going back . As long as the clubface is square or slightly closed at the top , this is a simplified way to perform the backswing . During the downswing Mr Malaska makes the MISTAKE of thinking about internal trail shoulder rotation TOO EARLY . Doing so will result in the right arm straightening too early and a hip stall . And contrary to his claims , there is plenty of supination / pronation of top players during the downswing . However, this pronation /supination happens unconsciously and does not require any action by the player. Just as an example , assume that the clubface is about toe up at last parallel in the downswing . From there the clubface must rotate about 90 degrees to become about square . How do golfers do this . Partly via rib-cafe rotation , and partly via internal trail shoulder rotation and partly by pronation of the trail forearm .
I’ve tried this because I like it’s simplicity, but my ball flight is kind of ballooning. What’s the key to keeping the dynamic loft down while doing Mike’s flip motion through impact?
Hey Barbara! You for sure need to allow the right wrist to release/"flip"...but the TIMING is important....it should happen slowly and progressively through the ball. I explain that part in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGZsaXAgdnMgdGhyb3c%3D Let us know if this one helps!
Bryson DeChambeau recently gave a lesson with an interesting comment. If somebody tells you to try something and it doesn't work FOR YOU fairly quickly, look for something else!! Sounds like Mike Malaska proves that point!!
As long as you feel like you hold the right wrist angle at impact and you create hands ahead of the ball and shaft lean at impact you won’t flip. Keep the rotation of the chest going through impact and feel like you maintain the right wrist hinge….it will eventually release with momentum but it should be post impact…..hope that makes sense….ive been working on creating this feel for a while now having been a weak left hand, rotate the forearms and club face golfer that managed to play professionally……this is way more stable and produces a strong ball flight and I wish I’d made the change a long time ago…..but I was teaching the old method as well. Good luck.
Hey Stuart! you for sure need to allow the right wrist to release"flip" but the TIMING is important....it should happen slowly and progressively through the ball. I explain that part in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGZsaXAgdnMgdGhyb3c%3D
I tried this move last year after watching this move. I was really throwing my left hand at the ball (I am left handed), and ended up injuring my left wrist and even got a ganglion cyst. So, maybe I was doing it wrong, but be careful with this move.
It seems to me the issue with the release as described in this video is one that causes up and down variability vs the roll release which creates left and right variability.
Hey! I dont think so....but I hear where you're coming from. Certainly need to allow some 'throw' with the release but the TIMIng of it is really important. I explain that in more detail here: th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGZsaXAgdnMgdGhyb3c%3D
@@ningj8065 no. He uses a tee because any intelligent person would use a tee. Even if it’s a short shot there is never a reason you wouldn’t want to have the perfect lie. That’s what a tee guarantees. In either case pronation/supination or flexion/extension, hands are critical. But with malaska’s approach shots can be long or short, but always online…versus the other approach that causes left right. That’s why most of the guys that use the rotation to square face tend to play bigger shapes. It’s easy if you are hitting a bigger draw to make sure it always draws (as an example). The guys who talk about stable face with more body rotation will tend to favor Malaska’s release pattern because they use the aggressive body rotation to retain the rear hand extension through the shot which is one was to control trajectory while hitting straighter shots.
Hey! How much arm rotation you need......depends on how square/open/closed the club face is during the early downswing. Mike likes to see the face very square to the plane EARLY.....so more closed early.....means you dont need to close it as much later The less the door is open......the less you need to close it the more the door is open....the more you need to close it I think this one should help explain this concept to clear it up for ya as I talk through the details: th-cam.com/video/zlRzjUvCRkU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUjRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGNvdWxkbnQgY2xvc2UgbHViIGZhY2U%3D
This series of videos with Mike made the biggest difference to my ball striking, Mike talks, Eric listens intensely, this really is top class uncomplicated instruction
Appreciate it :)
Just saved this viedo in my goldtraining folder on youtube and deleted all other videos. Best tip I have ever seen!
Me too 😀
Appreciate ya :)
Any videos or tips you can point to related to the “making sure your lead arm matches your joints”?
The timing of this video is spot on (I’m trying to change my swing to throwing for all the reasons mentioned in the video), but I find I am questioning how weak/strong to make my left (lead) hand
Thanks!
Great question Joe! We have a bunch of videos on lead arm if you search my name and "lead arm" here on youtube youll find some....but we do not have any specifically on matching joint.....I would search Mike's channel for that one!!
I’m a scratch player, and I can tell you that he NAILED THIS. I’ve experimented with the forearm roll type swing. I can hit it further, and strike is even a little more consistent. However, direction is a surprise on every shot. I didn’t like that, so I went back to keeping the face more square to the arc throughout my swing. I simply cock the wrists BACK, and release them forward. I don’t hit it quite as far, and sometimes I’ll catch it a little heavy, or thin, because it doesn’t feel as natural, and feels a little restrictive. But, the direction is VERY predictable. Just like he said…. It’s 2 different ways to play golf. Pick your poison. Haha
:)
I love the dramatic illustration with a big club head! I once saw a guy with a six foot tooth brush to put in his child’s bedroom. To make sure he or she would remember to brush their teeth!
I love that visual as well Frank!! Really makes it easy to see!
Best lesson I've seen in 40 years
Glad you enjoyed this one! Thank you!
Awesome right wrist / elbow action! I always doubt when twisting my elbor / wrist that will decrease the probability of a good impact... Now I'll definitely try it out next time at the range. But how about when hitting w/ a Wood / Hybrid / Driver? or even a Wedge?
In terms of this part of the swing would be the same for all!
Def other differences tho....I go over those here:
th-cam.com/video/TJtx-qVSgVU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUbRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGRyaXZlciB2cyBpcm9u
th-cam.com/video/vj3py9jZ6q8/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUbRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGRyaXZlciB2cyBpcm9u
So funny 🙂 Yesterday I was watching Eric give tips of Seniors getting more distance and rolling through impact was one of the tips. I tried it today and wow I either popped it way out right or closed the face so far I hit it off the toe, possibly because this and body turn don't work together. Also in trying to do this I couldn't unhinge my left wrist correctly or apply pressure with my right. I can do pitches around the green like this as long as I still have my hands pass the ball before impact
It is clear you do roll the forearms in the swing, but it is all done pretty much above horizontal on both sides of the ball and is a reaction to the shoulder socket movement and the elbows bending. (R on back swing and L on Follow through) It is not something that I think you should do consciously.
I agree save this video, no download it.
:)
Forearm supination / pronation is anatomically associated with external /internal shoulder rotation ,
so when Mr Malaska says that he externally rotates his trail shoulder going back , he is ALSO supinating ( trail Palm more up) his trail forearm without even thinking about it.
Because he has externally rotated his trail shoulder going back , his trail forearm is facing almost perpendicular at the top. This is similar to Tigers position at the top and basically simplifies the transition by eliminating any need for further trail shoulder external rotation and shallowing going down .
It also probably requires some trail wrist extension going back to naturally offset any opening of the clubface resulting from external shoulder rotation going back . As long as the clubface is square or slightly closed at the top , this is a simplified way to perform the backswing .
During the downswing Mr Malaska makes the MISTAKE of thinking about internal trail shoulder rotation TOO EARLY . Doing so will result in the right arm straightening too early and a hip stall .
And contrary to his claims , there is plenty of supination / pronation of top players during the downswing . However, this pronation /supination happens unconsciously and does not require any action by the player.
Just as an example , assume that the clubface is about toe up at last parallel in the downswing . From there the clubface must rotate about 90 degrees to become about square . How do golfers do this . Partly via rib-cafe rotation , and partly via internal trail shoulder rotation and partly by pronation of the trail forearm .
Ok … please make a video demonstrating…
Not a clue what your talking about 😂😂
Except the point he made is that the toe isn’t toe up at last parallel, it’s perpendicular to the plane throughout the swing.
Thanks for the thoughts Dave!
Amazing stuff!!
Thanks Chip!
I’ve tried this because I like it’s simplicity, but my ball flight is kind of ballooning. What’s the key to keeping the dynamic loft down while doing Mike’s flip motion through impact?
Hey Barbara!
You for sure need to allow the right wrist to release/"flip"...but the TIMING is important....it should happen slowly and progressively through the ball.
I explain that part in detail here:
th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGZsaXAgdnMgdGhyb3c%3D
Let us know if this one helps!
@@CogornoGolf As always, great engagement with your audience. Keep up the good work and thanks!
Bryson DeChambeau recently gave a lesson with an interesting comment. If somebody tells you to try something and it doesn't work FOR YOU fairly quickly, look for something else!!
Sounds like Mike Malaska proves that point!!
For sure different ways to get the job done! Which pieces/parts work for each individual swing is key for sure
Does this move not encourage a more ‘flippy’ motion at impact?
As long as you feel like you hold the right wrist angle at impact and you create hands ahead of the ball and shaft lean at impact you won’t flip. Keep the rotation of the chest going through impact and feel like you maintain the right wrist hinge….it will eventually release with momentum but it should be post impact…..hope that makes sense….ive been working on creating this feel for a while now having been a weak left hand, rotate the forearms and club face golfer that managed to play professionally……this is way more stable and produces a strong ball flight and I wish I’d made the change a long time ago…..but I was teaching the old method as well. Good luck.
Hey Stuart!
you for sure need to allow the right wrist to release"flip" but the TIMING is important....it should happen slowly and progressively through the ball.
I explain that part in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGZsaXAgdnMgdGhyb3c%3D
Genius
Thanks! Hope this one helps!
Already pressed like in the first couple of minutes when Mike started on forearm rotation, my swing Nemesis :-)
:) Appreciate ya~
snap hooks for me trying this.
Oppps :)
I tried this move last year after watching this move. I was really throwing my left hand at the ball (I am left handed), and ended up injuring my left wrist and even got a ganglion cyst. So, maybe I was doing it wrong, but be careful with this move.
Ruh roh! Hope you're feeling better!
Well, now I'm really confused. This video seems to contradict arm rotation in other videos
Ruh roh :)
I'm 5'5" and that is how big a 7 iron looks in my hands :- )
Haha!
Isn’t this too “handsy” though? I don’t think either swing described in the video would produce consistent results. I have tried both trust me.
It seems to me the issue with the release as described in this video is one that causes up and down variability vs the roll release which creates left and right variability.
@@russellhoguephd7925good point. Is that why Mike always hits off a tee even short iron shots?
Hey! I dont think so....but I hear where you're coming from.
Certainly need to allow some 'throw' with the release but the TIMIng of it is really important.
I explain that in more detail here: th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGZsaXAgdnMgdGhyb3c%3D
@@CogornoGolfthank you for the video! When to release the wrist is the key.
@@ningj8065 no. He uses a tee because any intelligent person would use a tee. Even if it’s a short shot there is never a reason you wouldn’t want to have the perfect lie. That’s what a tee guarantees. In either case pronation/supination or flexion/extension, hands are critical. But with malaska’s approach shots can be long or short, but always online…versus the other approach that causes left right. That’s why most of the guys that use the rotation to square face tend to play bigger shapes. It’s easy if you are hitting a bigger draw to make sure it always draws (as an example). The guys who talk about stable face with more body rotation will tend to favor Malaska’s release pattern because they use the aggressive body rotation to retain the rear hand extension through the shot which is one was to control trajectory while hitting straighter shots.
Eric!!! Help! I thought your previous videos talked about a little right forearm rotation through impact!!! I am confused.....
Hey!
How much arm rotation you need......depends on how square/open/closed the club face is during the early downswing.
Mike likes to see the face very square to the plane EARLY.....so more closed early.....means you dont need to close it as much later
The less the door is open......the less you need to close it
the more the door is open....the more you need to close it
I think this one should help explain this concept to clear it up for ya as I talk through the details:
th-cam.com/video/zlRzjUvCRkU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUjRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGNvdWxkbnQgY2xvc2UgbHViIGZhY2U%3D