This was one of your best colab lessons. I've watched a ton of your videos but missed this one somehow. This was very timely for me and so well explained. Great job on this one to both of you.
I’m glad at around 12:00 you stepped in and clarified how the toe should point down slightly closed at parallel. John was showing toe pretty much straight up. He agreed, better closed than open.
Eric, I've been working on wrist set and came across this vid. The way you ask questions and go deeper into the solution then summarise is very helpful. You know exactly how an amateur needs to hear and see the instruction. Love it!
Thanks Matt! Love doing these collars.....I've spent a lot of years coaching for sure but a lot of years on the other side getting lessons as well so I really try and ask those questions I think you guys would have/want to know :)
“Check it on video, your feel sucks” So true lol. I have progressed more this year than in my entire life simply by videotaping my swings and practicing with a purpose. Also, your videos are major contributor as well.
Two of my favorite instructors doing a video together about a vital fundamental that takes a lot of practice and dedication to ingrain. Golf instruction doesn't get any better than this! This is the foundation to build your swing around and not be fooled that this happens automatically with natural forces,etc. I am committed to doing this wrist set and letting my body figure out how to work around it.
Eric - I found these videos with John Dunigan and they are gold! I follow you and John Dunigan only at this point. I followed Mike Malaska for a while and liked his advice BUT his wrist flexion mantra really set me back, especially on my left lead hand. My brain could not get there. My new swing sequence is to focus on the hand position during preshot ONLY. Getting the hand low and inside first, then rotate and lift the ARMS, not the wrists. I notice the pros do a lot of figuring their hands and path of the backswing while standing behind the ball. Then forget about it. Now over the ball switch focus to feeling the shot and where I need to be at impact. Attention needs to be at the target and beyond impact, any thought of the hands going back results in fat shots or deceleration and flipping at the ball. Now I can commit and strike that ball!! Thanks so much for your videos.
Never seen wrist set explained like this, most of what I’ve seen is around bowing the wrist! Really great thanks, this set position helps me in the release and has increased my swing speed which i lost while trying to bow the wrist. 🙏😄
Hope it serves you well, Andy! Agreed...and we are guilt of it as well....both the UP and BACK are important Here is more on the vertical part you may enjoy th-cam.com/video/PicEGBmuktI/w-d-xo.html
This video just changed everything for me. I did not miss a shot at the range with crisp contact. You are right, feel is not real. What I thought was bowed, is actually a flat wrist and I was able to stripe everything. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Eric, I like you bringing in other coaches into your videos. It adds a lot to understanding what is explained as a result of the conversation /dialog and clearing out some ideas/thoughts. Two minds are better than one I suppose 😊
Been out of the game for a while, doing a refresh of your vids and came across this one and the WALL drill, this will help my wrist orientation and then to push the left hand down at take away, I believe this is going to help me with WHICH hand to dominate at take away, thnx Great Work 💪
As a chronic over back-swinger, I’ve been able to finally rid myself of this disorder … with a great thought your buddy Tom Saguto shared on his channel … when you reach left arm parallel the back swing, it’s at this point that all the work for your wrist and arms is over, finished, done … from there it’s only the hips and shoulders which finish the back swing. I’m thinking the basics of the hinge concept you guy show here - fits like a perfect puzzle piece, to prevent collapsing your elbows and going past paralleled at the top … does that make sense to you? Great video, keep’em coming!
Good lesson Eric. Often had a problem with the wrist set caused by tension in the golf swing. You and John demonstrated the proper physical technique to coil to the top of the backswing.
I have been pushing or slicing a few times yesterday. I checked my set up the downswing and the backswing I couldn't find any fault. When I saw this video it hit the nail on head. In fact, it was my wrist hinge creating the problem. While watching the video I checked my wrist hinge using a chopstick I was hinging my wrist far too much and the clubface is fully open when it hits the ball. Great video thank you so much.
OMG that inside move is me me me. I try scrubbing it out, washing it out, and still, inside takeaway. I had a 'pushy-pully' takeaway just as described (pushing DOWN with the left) but a coach told me not to do it. I'm gonna sick Eric on that guy! Great video! Going to the range right now!
Not for nothing, but a teacher who consistently says something about me "sucks" makes me not want to listen. I understand he may have all the knowledge in the world, but tell me I have high scores and weak slices, don't tell me I suck at golf. You keep up the great work though Eric, love your content!
Just watched this video and it makes me wanna go out and try it. To bad the season ended this saturday, where I live in Sweden the snow has already begun to fall 😞
I was watching a video of Bobby Jones instruction the other night and at the top of his swing his left wrist was severely cupped and he was one of the best players of all time.
for sure....you can do that! But you have to learn to flatten coming down! That usually matches up better with a stronger grip! th-cam.com/video/S776LyvM6Pc/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf I've been cupping the wrists for years and was not told about it in detail what the consequences would be by coaches, but since I've been watching your videos I now know what to do, especially hitting a draw with the driver and irons which makes me happy. Keep up the fantastic videos I have learnt so much in the last two years cheers from the uk.
Great video ... Eric replying to coach re grip 'v' @ 14:14 ... "Best grip you've ever seen or what?" lol nice! All of your vides have been very helpful in evolving my game!
The push/pull feeling is a great explanation for me to get the wrist set correctly .. which in turn gets the club into the right position at the top of the back swing.
@@CogornoGolf I wanted to give you some feedback on this lesson. Went to play 9 yesterday and incorporated this "push/pull" feel. Some things I noticed. The first 3 holes I kept my back swing pretty slow focusing on the wrist set. Ball contact was great and felt like I could attack the ball. By the 4th hole I was so comfortable I started to get a bit quick in my back swing. What this caused was that "brooks Keopka" back swing where I was setting my wrist too early. If I break my swing into 1/3s I feel like the second 1/3d is where I need to set my wrist. I was setting in the first 1/3d. This caused bad things for me. I also noticed if I attack 6 o'clock on the ball I hit a wicked hook. If I focused hard on 7 o'clock I hit a nice baby draw. Was wondering where on the ball YOU are hitting. Also noted my yardage increased but I need to work on my long irons as everything feels different now.
Great lesson. I have a tendency to get open in my backswing. I like to visualize from halfway back I have a closed clubface with a quarter on the back of the iron then from there in my mind I like to throw the quarter over my shoulder. That "feel" gets me square to a little shut at the top.
I’m having a very tough time distinguishing the feel of the left and right wrists from this video combined with your right hand and wrist video. If you were to have your left hand perpendicular to the ground. This video explains the left wrist should be moving slight down to up motion in the backswing, no left and right with the chopsticks. Another video of your explains on the downswing the right hand and wrist. Stating you must be a player using your wrist in a left and right slapping motion than an up and down motion that would cause you to roll your wrist to catch up with the ball.. very bad I struggle with that. How do this videos combine with one feel up and down on left wrist backswing and left and right motion on right wrist on the downswing? Much appreciated I’ve learned a ton from your videos!
Hi Eric, I love this video and John's humorous approach to teaching. But is seems John is advocating an early wrist set with the pushing down of the left hand starting the takeaway. This is in contrast to other videos (with Trevor e.g.) that stress waiting on the wrist set in order to create width. I would appreciate your two cents on this, thanks!
Will this wrist set help rotation in the down swing? I've been told I don't set my wrists at all in the backswing. I end up scooping at contact. LOVE your collabs.
Great video... Eric your ‘feels’ videos are the best. I was hoping you guys would discuss the wrists on the downswing and contact/release. Is it wrist set because you maintain that wrist set upon contact, or do you cast at that point? Do you have a video that explains this? Thanks so much!
Thank you! Wrist angles are slowly and gradually releasing as you open body and turn into and through impact. Looking to have fully released wrist angles at roughly 45° PAST the ball/impact. Check these out for more detail if you have not yet! th-cam.com/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/wDl5b_PULsU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/I0hvWvN7qWE/w-d-xo.html
I think I understand the wrist set at the top but what about the full extension of the right wrist to like a tray which they always teach should you extend the right wrist to a tray or just a normal extension of the right wrist let me know thanks for your help Jack
Thank for watching, Jack! Here's a great resource for you: th-cam.com/video/wDl5b_PULsU/w-d-xo.html Please let us know if that video helps and if you have any questions after checking it out!
very interesting on how 2 different school on wrist condition. Milo Lines Golf is the exact opposite. @0:45 unless you early extend, there is nothing wrong with the wrist bowing "this way"
Thanks! Maybe a future video on that...I only use it because I was taught it when I was younger. I dont mind a baseball, overlap or interlock so long as the club sits in the hands correctly th-cam.com/video/WWiVEP15xPk/w-d-xo.html
I got big cupping move when downswing begins. I tend to overswing. But i don't hit slices, miss is pull draw due to compensations i guess. My thoughts are, that maybe my glove hand is too active and dominates takeaway and backswing, like in this video when you guys demonstrate bad wrist movement! Would it be bad, if trail hand would do more work in the takeaway, making lead hand less active? hcp7. Nice content Eric!
Thanks! That would be OK from a simple FEELs perspective but of course I would need to see you doing it on video to confirm or deny. Sounds like you may be early releasing (flip) in downswing to compensate for that wrist (unless your grip is strong enough) I would sign up for www.cogornogolf.com if you can swing the $69 so you can send in your swings we can help a lot!
Hey Eric, this is the virus that is in my swing.... I cannot feel comfortable with my BS unless I roll it open... rest of the swing feels wrong unless I roll it open. I know it is not correct but cannot get over this issue. U hit a good point there. The difference between rolling and properly hinging is subtle but so important. I've got the hanger and it helps with this but on the golf course I tend to default to the comfortable rolling it open. How do I get over this?
Need to see your swing on video for sure to say It might be OK if you are rolling open so long as you roll back the opposite enough in downswing to match it up and hit it better I need to see HOW and WHY you roll open and what it does or does not lead to to say how to correct! Join www.cogornogolf.com and post up your swings for us!
I like using those expensive $300 training aids for drills. For the wrist set drill, can I use an expensive 3-piece ball point pen by Bic? Staples is the cheaper knock off or I could get a free chopstick at my local Chinese restaurant. I used a shoebox for swing path drills and a litter box for bunker drills. Until I had forgotten my child's LIVE school project was in the shoebox and the cat wasn't done using the litter box. I guess we can stop blaming the cat for going on the carpet. Seriously, I find the simplest items used as training aids verses the specifically designed manufactured training aids are the best. Great tip, BTW. Saves on a lot of confusion. ⛳🏌️♂️👍
I recently ordered a Tru Swing Pro training aid because I felt I was over doing the feel and bowing the wrist too much. Hoping that will get me in a more neutral position
This is great and answered a lot of questions except for one of my major issues. What is the correct setting of the wrist and angle at address? Is it turned all the way down which raises your arms and stand up straighter, neutral, or partially cocked with hands lower? I'm trying all 3 and am confused.
I used to think about wrist set at the start of the swing. was really bad for me personally. I would get into trouble cocking the wrists that early. I think about a wide takeaway now and the wrist set just happens on its own. Definitely agree that rolling the forearms open is a death move... definitely don't recommend rolling those forearms/wrist angles.
There is a set of conventional wisdom around the game of golf that is just plain silly. Last spring I came out of winter having forgotten how to hit a golf ball-embarrassingly bad. A friend rescued me by sending a little instructional clip by a 15 year old girl. (At 71, I am still teachable...I am also 5'2" tall.) At the time I had regressed to struggling to break 100-even with having moved up to the red tees with my wife. Within a month I was in the mid 80s. Today I play at 80-plus or minus several...yesterday was 79-have gotten as low as 75. My wife soon kicked me back a set of tees and I now play from "white"...2 tees back from the lady's. I employ many of the principles that these standard instructional pieces declare as mandatory. My significant deviation to the "principles" is that my top hand grip, I'm a lefty, is a baseball grip-it facilitates hinging wonderfully. Otherwise, today golf is a piece of cake for me. Front arm very straight-it guides you back to the ball, back elbow tucked fairly tightly-it provides the power, stay very balanced and rotate around your spine-the arc of your swing will be determined by the natural flow created by the straight front arm and the tucked back elbow and you hit the ball out of the hinge and hang on to that hinge as long a possible-the club will release naturally. All these "This will improve your score by 15 strokes immediately" instructional clips are okay for giving you ideas. However, this game is deeply idiosyncratic and things will go best if you figure it out for yourself. The good news for me is that I continue to improve-mostly because I have a relatively new, small set of 9 clubs...they are an inch shorter than standard and down a degree. Good luck to all of us.
Hey Brad! You might enjoy checking out these videos for some more info on the backswing and wrist pieces: th-cam.com/video/d1YMt63QiuE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/3q3BSk21iUA/w-d-xo.html Thank you for being here with us! Let us know if you have any questions!
One question please--when does the wrist hinge/set begin in the backswing? I realize that different players will begin the set earlier or later, but in general is it not better to initiate the backswing with the body's core (not the hands/wrists) with the club coming straight back for the first few feet and then, as the hands begin to pass the right leg, begin the wrist hinge more or less at that point. In the video it appears that you might be promoting initiation of the backswing with a wrist hinge, and, while some players seem to do this successfully (e.g., Michelle Wie), I do not think it wise because once we lose our connection with the body's core the backswing tends to lose its unified, one-piece feeling. Thanks for a clarification.
Thanks, Eric! How would you relate this to Mike Malaska’s philosophy of the right hand being the pusher (which is what causes the left arm to straighten) and Joe Nichols’ corners concept?
You got it! Different "feels" that can all accomplish the same things.. I would prefer to see any pushing with the trail arm happen more in the second half of backswing... What we are talking more about the push/pull is more in the initial takeaway
@@CogornoGolf Thanks. So if I understand correctly moving the butt end of the club out is crucial in the backswing. First of all, in the initial takeaway, the lead hand pushes to set the lead wrist (where the right pulls to lift the club up). And secondly, the palm of the trail hand pushing against the thumb of the lead hand, pushing the butt end of the clubhead out, creating width in the swing (where there is no tension in the lead arm, to maximise speed)?
Of course that won't be the same exact thing for all players but YES I would say thats a good big picture simplified look at it. I do not personally feel ANY push down with my lead hand/arm....I feel a push with trail arm later backswing
'What Jon Rahn does is not what you can do'. I will say as it often happens in the golf-world of opposites, is that if you want to understand the feelings of left wrist not cupping but bowing, then practice hitting low draws with Rahm's super-weak left grip - it will teach you faster than anything you've ever tried - the amount of bowing required will almost hurt.
@@555Trout Where in what I wrote did I say it did? I said to practice hitting LOW draws with a weak left-hand grip. Almost every crappy high handicapper turns a strong left hand gripped with cupped left wrist into a high weak launching semi-slice - the opposite of which is forcing yourself to with a weak left grip hit a LOW draw - with massive left wrist bow to achieve the low part. Any other insightful comments?
@@wallstreetoneil Yes on another insightful comment. Your social skills are an abomination to humanity and your life will suck until you clean your act up.
I checked on video i take it back great but at the top I've opened the face and that's causing issues. I have to manipulate my right hand to close face. Ideally I would not need to do that. I'll need to check if I'm over doing the wrist hinge
Is it fair to say the left hand shouldn't feel like it hinges (at least initially)? It was mentioned briefly in the video. I'm coming from the over hinging, cupped left hand. When I forcefully keep the left hand flat, it feel like I'm getting no power from the hinge. I look at the swing at the top and its not exactly 90. Maybe 80 degrees, I'm sure it reaches 90 degrees with the force of a full swing. The sensation is as if there's no hinging taking place.
Hey! Yes if you over hinge you will likely need to FEEL like no vertical hinge and all back hinge (left wrist flexion) right wrist extension. In a real swing yes the left wrist hinges up some (from about 140-145* at setup to 90-75* at the top The trail wrist mainly hinges BACK (extension) If you OVER do any move you will need to FEEL a lot less to find middle. I did some videos on that here: th-cam.com/video/pGFXRKq2JwY/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUXRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIG92ZXIgaGluZ2U%3D th-cam.com/video/PicEGBmuktI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUXRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIG92ZXIgaGluZ2U%3D Normal to feel less power when taking hinge out....hinge is a power source. Want to find a middle ground
@@CogornoGolf Makes sense. I will check out those videos. It feels as if I will lose the club when keeping the left wrist flat at the top. Too much wiggle room forcing a tighter grip. A while back ago I tried much larger grips. It limited what I thought was proper wrist hinge. I still have a large grip on an old driver. Trying it out at home and it promotes the flat left wrist. It also feels more secure. Next time at the range I'll give it a go knowing the "no hinge on the left hinge" sensation is normal at first. IIRC last time using the large grip I tried improperly hinging the left wrist. That may be the reason why it wasn't working. I'll watch the vids and go to the range. Let you know what happens. Thx
@@CogornoGolf The weekend I was going to range was the week the driving range closed down. Alas I managed to find a golf club with a practice net free to use. It's hard to judge with no ball flight, but must say wrist don't feel overworked as usual. I'm also testing a diy jumbmax grips and it helps eliminate right wrist cupping. Only one club has it, the others are regular grips. With that said, the regular grips have a similar story. Easier to find the slot. Less harsh on the wrist. I'm able to adopt a more neutral grip. Beforehand I tried it and I felt it limited wrist hinge. Well that was cupping, not proper wrist hinge.
Haha good question! We generally dont get as much action on youtube in terms of views and action on short game so we do less....maybe some more this winteR?
I get it and training the left wrist to get into that position. No problem at all PW-7iron but put 5i in my hands and everything just breaks. Anything done differently for long irons?
Thanks for the response! I would have to assume there's an issue in the swing itself and simply not seeing the problem in the short irons but gets magnified anything above 7i. Will have to go back to the drawing board and take a closer look at my base swing.
Hey Stephen! I think these two videos will help explain the best: th-cam.com/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared th-cam.com/video/wDl5b_PULsU/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared Let us know if you have any questions after watching!
Hey Brian! We are talking backswing here...for shallowing in downswing adding in some lead wrist flexion (bow) and ulnar deviation (unhinge) can help with shallowing! Here is more on that part th-cam.com/video/pbSjG_shg7U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/w9WhdAGwv6c/w-d-xo.html
IT could....anything is possible...anything could be OVER or UNDER done. Video always key to check I would look for lead arm and club to be about 90* by left arm parallel in backswing
The stronger the grip usually the more toward extension the lead wrist will be to keep the face square and add some hinge th-cam.com/video/S776LyvM6Pc/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUXRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGdyaXAgd3Jpc3Q%3D
"John Rahm, not what you want to do." Never ceased to be amazed when people cite some aspect of a certain pro's game and then use it as a reason that they can to. I got news for you, you ain't that guy.
Sorry but Steve Johnson explains this much simpler in about 5 minutes. No chopstick needed. Push with the bottom 3 fingers of the left hand and pull with the middle 2 fingers of the right hand during your backswing. Alot less confusing. It gives proper wrist hinge and straightens the left arm. Most of your stuff is good but sometimes get lost in all the talking. Keep up the great work.
This one had potential but missed the mark. Yes, the heel leading toe(closed) on the backswing is critically important. Something I was instrumental in convincing you of Eric some time ago. However, left wrist flexion/extension has nothing to do with face opening/closure. It only affects loft. This is where this lesson goes sideways. There are two ways to affect face opening/closure. 1. Radial and ulna rotating over each other below elbow, and 2. The left shoulder joint rotating in arm plane. One can see with this realization that even with the left wrist fully extended(cupped) with either or both of the radial/ulna deviation and/or shoulder rotation the face can be closed or wide open with flat left or flexed left wrist. Equating left wrist cupping with face opening is just wrong. And it terribly misleads golfers into missing the actual things that affect face orientation. We need motion limiters and awareness of radial/ulnar deviation and left shoulder rotation to manage face position. Left wrist flexion/extension has nothing to with it. Again, left wrist flexion/extension only affects loft. I agree that players incorrectly make more wrist "hinge" by radial /ulnar deviation coupled with left wrist extension, however what opened the face was the radial /ulnar deviation, not the wrist extension. Redo.
Sorry that this comment isn’t specifically on this video. It is on one where you same two guys talk about left arm rotation in the downswing. You emphasize that the left arm supinates during the entire downswing. You say how pros unwind the arm twice as much as amateurs, but slower. Yet, I just got finished watching one of your videos where you tell us to do the exact opposite-namely, rotate the arm the opposite way to shallow the club and point the elbow away from the ground. These two videos, trying to explain the left arm move in the downswing, are 100% diametrically opposed in their motions. This is why I find instruction so frustrating. It would be different if instructor “A” said supinate from the top through impact, and instructor “B” said pronate the arm, but in both cases, it was the same instructor (you!). Can you try to clarify this obvious contradiction?
For sure, Art! When you watch back that other videos----what did I say the POINT was of doing the opposite with lead arm? What does that do to shaft? What issue would a player have that would need MORE of that? The reality is the majority of this arm rotation happens just after the player starts down. If someone is too STEEP with shaft....what would they need more of? Its different per person because the people are coming from different places.
Hi, Eric Thanks for the nice reply. I would like to tell you that I purchased your Master Class for Goat Humping (LOL), and it has been very beneficial. I have been playing golf for over sixty years, have been a member of the USGTF for almost twenty years, have been a single digit handicap player since I was a kid, but have always had early extension (even before I knew that was a “thing”). Just because of esthetics, I wanted to ditch that problem. I’d tried everything I could think of-chair behind me drills, etc. I could keep my butt on the chair but my distances would be comparable to using a Camen golf ball! And my head would end up two feet closer to the target than my belt buckle. This was worse than the early extension problem! Your program (I’m just finishing the first week’s drills) has been very helpful. I’ve used the Live View Golf program (I got it at the PGA Merchandise Show two years ago-I wish it came with a manual, because I can’t do anything with it except watch myself on my iPad and record swings. I don’t know how to use the other features.) to watch my progress, and in just the first week, I’m seeing a lot of success. I can’t wait to do the next three weeks of drills. I enjoy your output on the internet, and I have to say that I have been very pleased with my association with Performance Works Golf (did I get that right? Anyway, you know what I mean.). I have a couple of your classes (Right brain vs left brain, although I haven’t gone through all of that one yet; the early extension program; and the putting video by a guy I respect a lot-Kevin Weeks. I got to know Kevin fairly well while I was teaching for Dave Pelz and we were at Cog Hill for several weeks running, four or five years in a row. I really like Kevin, and bought the program just because it was his presentation, and I got a lot of new and valuable information.) So, anyway, thanks for getting back to me. I look forward to finishing the early extension class and getting a little more consistency out of my game. Art
I would say that's the case only if you overdo it and start excessively extending your lead wrist/opening the club face...then that could lead to excessive lead arm supination in an attempt to square the face. Appreciate you watching the channel!
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My god, John is THE MAN. Eric, you need to bring him on more often.
Agreed Evan :)
This was one of your best colab lessons. I've watched a ton of your videos but missed this one somehow. This was very timely for me and so well explained. Great job on this one to both of you.
Thank you!👊
I’m glad at around 12:00 you stepped in and clarified how the toe should point down slightly closed at parallel. John was showing toe pretty much straight up. He agreed, better closed than open.
Appreciate you being here and watching!
Eric, I've been working on wrist set and came across this vid. The way you ask questions and go deeper into the solution then summarise is very helpful. You know exactly how an amateur needs to hear and see the instruction. Love it!
Thanks Matt! Love doing these collars.....I've spent a lot of years coaching for sure but a lot of years on the other side getting lessons as well so I really try and ask those questions I think you guys would have/want to know :)
“Check it on video, your feel sucks”
So true lol.
I have progressed more this year than in my entire life simply by videotaping my swings and practicing with a purpose. Also, your videos are major contributor as well.
Love to hear it! Keep up the great work👊
Wrist hinge: A subject I have sat and pondered over many times....this video nailed it and cured my O.C.D. about my wrist at the top!!!
Love to hear it!
Two of my favorite instructors doing a video together about a vital fundamental that takes a lot of practice and dedication to ingrain. Golf instruction doesn't get any better than this!
This is the foundation to build your swing around and not be fooled that this happens automatically with natural forces,etc. I am committed to doing this wrist set and letting my body figure out how to work around it.
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Appreciate your support! Hope this one serves you well!
Eric - I found these videos with John Dunigan and they are gold! I follow you and John Dunigan only at this point. I followed Mike Malaska for a while and liked his advice BUT his wrist flexion mantra really set me back, especially on my left lead hand. My brain could not get there. My new swing sequence is to focus on the hand position during preshot ONLY. Getting the hand low and inside first, then rotate and lift the ARMS, not the wrists. I notice the pros do a lot of figuring their hands and path of the backswing while standing behind the ball. Then forget about it. Now over the ball switch focus to feeling the shot and where I need to be at impact. Attention needs to be at the target and beyond impact, any thought of the hands going back results in fat shots or deceleration and flipping at the ball. Now I can commit and strike that ball!! Thanks so much for your videos.
Hey Todd! John is the best!!
So glad you found the videos helpful! Thank you for watching👊👊
Them lessons are real! Friends are wowed on how I progressed for less than a month, just by watching his lessons.
Love to hear this!!
Awesome lesson. You are both terrific. Thank you.
Appreciate the kind words! Thank you!
Never seen wrist set explained like this, most of what I’ve seen is around bowing the wrist! Really great thanks, this set position helps me in the release and has increased my swing speed which i lost while trying to bow the wrist. 🙏😄
Hope it serves you well, Andy! Agreed...and we are guilt of it as well....both the UP and BACK are important
Here is more on the vertical part you may enjoy
th-cam.com/video/PicEGBmuktI/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric great help
This video just changed everything for me. I did not miss a shot at the range with crisp contact. You are right, feel is not real. What I thought was bowed, is actually a flat wrist and I was able to stripe everything. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
So happy to hear this one helped, Malcolm! Thank you for watching!
Eric, I like you bringing in other coaches into your videos. It adds a lot to understanding what is explained as a result of the conversation /dialog and clearing out some ideas/thoughts. Two minds are better than one I suppose 😊
Appreciate the support, Inus! We enjoy it as well!
@@CogornoGolf I wish y’all would of finished with what this wrist and hands do on the downswing and follow through. Thanks for the content.
Been out of the game for a while, doing a refresh of your vids and came across this one and the WALL drill, this will help my wrist orientation and then to push the left hand down at take away, I believe this is going to help me with WHICH hand to dominate at take away, thnx Great Work 💪
Thank you! Hope it serves you well👊
As a chronic over back-swinger, I’ve been able to finally rid myself of this disorder … with a great thought your buddy Tom Saguto shared on his channel … when you reach left arm parallel the back swing, it’s at this point that all the work for your wrist and arms is over, finished, done … from there it’s only the hips and shoulders which finish the back swing.
I’m thinking the basics of the hinge concept you guy show here - fits like a perfect puzzle piece, to prevent collapsing your elbows and going past paralleled at the top … does that make sense to you? Great video, keep’em coming!
Yessir!
Of course its never that easy :)
Appreciate it---hope you are well John
This might be the best explanation I’ve ever seen on wrist set. Thanks!!!
Thank you Scot!!
Good lesson Eric. Often had a problem with the wrist set caused by tension in the golf swing. You and John demonstrated the proper physical technique to coil to the top of the backswing.
Thank you Peter!
I have been pushing or slicing a few times yesterday. I checked my set up the downswing and the backswing I couldn't find any fault. When I saw this video it hit the nail on head. In fact, it was my wrist hinge creating the problem. While watching the video I checked my wrist hinge using a chopstick I was hinging my wrist far too much and the clubface is fully open when it hits the ball. Great video thank you so much.
You got it, Lionel! Glad it helped!
Can’t wait to try it. Been battling with squaring up early since the day I picked up a club.
Hope it helps my friend :)
Brilliant ! Thanks guys I can’t wait 2 take this instruction 2 the range later today! Thanks Again!
Thank you! Hope this one serves you well!
Left hand pressure down, right hand pull with right is a helpful reminder. Thanks Eric-Stay safe-Russ
Our pleasure Russ!
OMG that inside move is me me me. I try scrubbing it out, washing it out, and still, inside takeaway. I had a 'pushy-pully' takeaway just as described (pushing DOWN with the left) but a coach told me not to do it. I'm gonna sick Eric on that guy! Great video! Going to the range right now!
Hope it helps! Thank you!
This is so simple, it’s brilliant!
Thanks Gordon!
Not for nothing, but a teacher who consistently says something about me "sucks" makes me not want to listen. I understand he may have all the knowledge in the world, but tell me I have high scores and weak slices, don't tell me I suck at golf.
You keep up the great work though Eric, love your content!
Appreciate the feedback!
It's hard to get better than this video when it comes to wrist set. As usual, terrific stuff Eric.
Appreciate it, Rob!
Great lesson. John wrote an outstanding book on putting skill development (Hole It), it would be awesome to see him share some of his putting advice.
:) Thanks Jay!!
Brilliant! What a great explanation and visual! THANKS!
Thanks so much, Robin! Our pleasure!
Guys one of the best tips ever!!
Thanks, Ed!
This was the best lesson!
Thanks Gina!
The chopstick is so brilliant! I just figured out today that my hinging has been off… this is why.
Agreed---love this one from John!
Just watched this video and it makes me wanna go out and try it. To bad the season ended this saturday, where I live in Sweden the snow has already begun to fall 😞
Oh no! Hopefully you can find some indoor places to hit :)
Thank god for this video. Came at the exact time I needed it. Had my mind blown by how easy it was to square face with a chopstick in my glove.
:) Hope it serves you well Arthur!
I was watching a video of Bobby Jones instruction the other night and at the top of his swing his left wrist was severely cupped and he was one of the best players of all time.
for sure....you can do that! But you have to learn to flatten coming down!
That usually matches up better with a stronger grip!
th-cam.com/video/S776LyvM6Pc/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf I've been cupping the wrists for years and was not told about it in detail what the consequences would be by coaches, but since I've been watching your videos I now know what to do, especially hitting a draw with the driver and irons which makes me happy. Keep up the fantastic videos I have learnt so much in the last two years cheers from the uk.
Great video ... Eric replying to coach re grip 'v' @ 14:14 ... "Best grip you've ever seen or what?" lol nice! All of your vides have been very helpful in evolving my game!
:) Thank you! Love to hear the videos have helped!
Great instruction! Don't trust your feel trust your eyes! Awesome 👍
100%
The push/pull feeling is a great explanation for me to get the wrist set correctly .. which in turn gets the club into the right position at the top of the back swing.
:) Thanks Ritchie!
@@CogornoGolf I wanted to give you some feedback on this lesson. Went to play 9 yesterday and incorporated this "push/pull" feel. Some things I noticed. The first 3 holes I kept my back swing pretty slow focusing on the wrist set. Ball contact was great and felt like I could attack the ball. By the 4th hole I was so comfortable I started to get a bit quick in my back swing. What this caused was that "brooks Keopka" back swing where I was setting my wrist too early. If I break my swing into 1/3s I feel like the second 1/3d is where I need to set my wrist. I was setting in the first 1/3d. This caused bad things for me. I also noticed if I attack 6 o'clock on the ball I hit a wicked hook. If I focused hard on 7 o'clock I hit a nice baby draw. Was wondering where on the ball YOU are hitting. Also noted my yardage increased but I need to work on my long irons as everything feels different now.
Great lesson. I have a tendency to get open in my backswing. I like to visualize from halfway back I have a closed clubface with a quarter on the back of the iron then from there in my mind I like to throw the quarter over my shoulder. That "feel" gets me square to a little shut at the top.
Thank you!
I’m having a very tough time distinguishing the feel of the left and right wrists from this video combined with your right hand and wrist video.
If you were to have your left hand perpendicular to the ground. This video explains the left wrist should be moving slight down to up motion in the backswing, no left and right with the chopsticks.
Another video of your explains on the downswing the right hand and wrist. Stating you must be a player using your wrist in a left and right slapping motion than an up and down motion that would cause you to roll your wrist to catch up with the ball.. very bad I struggle with that.
How do this videos combine with one feel up and down on left wrist backswing and left and right motion on right wrist on the downswing? Much appreciated I’ve learned a ton from your videos!
Need some of both Anthony is the reality (up some and back some)
Hi Eric, I love this video and John's humorous approach to teaching. But is seems John is advocating an early wrist set with the pushing down of the left hand starting the takeaway. This is in contrast to other videos (with Trevor e.g.) that stress waiting on the wrist set in order to create width. I would appreciate your two cents on this, thanks!
Great to see John!
:) Thanks for watching!!
Great instructions will be in touch
Thanks John!👊
Please feel free to email us at service@cogornogolf.com with any questions!
Loved this
Thanks Nitish! Happy to hear!
Will this wrist set help rotation in the down swing? I've been told I don't set my wrists at all in the backswing. I end up scooping at contact. LOVE your collabs.
Thank you!
Based on what I see I don't think the wrist set will have much effect on the downswing rotation either way
Great video... Eric your ‘feels’ videos are the best. I was hoping you guys would discuss the wrists on the downswing and contact/release. Is it wrist set because you maintain that wrist set upon contact, or do you cast at that point? Do you have a video that explains this? Thanks so much!
Thank you!
Wrist angles are slowly and gradually releasing as you open body and turn into and through impact. Looking to have fully released wrist angles at roughly 45° PAST the ball/impact.
Check these out for more detail if you have not yet!
th-cam.com/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/wDl5b_PULsU/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/I0hvWvN7qWE/w-d-xo.html
Great info! Thank you!
Thanks!
I think I understand the wrist set at the top but what about the full extension of the right wrist to like a tray which they always teach should you extend the right wrist to a tray or just a normal extension of the right wrist let me know thanks for your help Jack
Thank for watching, Jack!
Here's a great resource for you:
th-cam.com/video/wDl5b_PULsU/w-d-xo.html
Please let us know if that video helps and if you have any questions after checking it out!
very interesting on how 2 different school on wrist condition. Milo Lines Golf is the exact opposite. @0:45 unless you early extend, there is nothing wrong with the wrist bowing "this way"
Both can definitely worked when paired with the right elements!
Great video Eric. I noticed that you use an interlock grip. Can you talk about why interlock versus overlap?
Thanks!
Maybe a future video on that...I only use it because I was taught it when I was younger.
I dont mind a baseball, overlap or interlock so long as the club sits in the hands correctly
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I like John!
ME too :) He's great!
So good
Thanks Tony!
I got big cupping move when downswing begins. I tend to overswing. But i don't hit slices, miss is pull draw due to compensations i guess. My thoughts are, that maybe my glove hand is too active and dominates takeaway and backswing, like in this video when you guys demonstrate bad wrist movement! Would it be bad, if trail hand would do more work in the takeaway, making lead hand less active? hcp7. Nice content Eric!
Thanks!
That would be OK from a simple FEELs perspective but of course I would need to see you doing it on video to confirm or deny.
Sounds like you may be early releasing (flip) in downswing to compensate for that wrist (unless your grip is strong enough)
I would sign up for www.cogornogolf.com if you can swing the $69 so you can send in your swings we can help a lot!
Hey Eric, this is the virus that is in my swing.... I cannot feel comfortable with my BS unless I roll it open... rest of the swing feels wrong unless I roll it open. I know it is not correct but cannot get over this issue. U hit a good point there. The difference between rolling and properly hinging is subtle but so important. I've got the hanger and it helps with this but on the golf course I tend to default to the comfortable rolling it open. How do I get over this?
Need to see your swing on video for sure to say
It might be OK if you are rolling open so long as you roll back the opposite enough in downswing to match it up and hit it better
I need to see HOW and WHY you roll open and what it does or does not lead to to say how to correct!
Join www.cogornogolf.com and post up your swings for us!
I like using those expensive $300 training aids for drills. For the wrist set drill, can I use an expensive 3-piece ball point pen by Bic? Staples is the cheaper knock off or I could get a free chopstick at my local Chinese restaurant. I used a shoebox for swing path drills and a litter box for bunker drills. Until I had forgotten my child's LIVE school project was in the shoebox and the cat wasn't done using the litter box. I guess we can stop blaming the cat for going on the carpet. Seriously, I find the simplest items used as training aids verses the specifically designed manufactured training aids are the best. Great tip, BTW. Saves on a lot of confusion. ⛳🏌️♂️👍
:) Pen would work....or a spoon/knife if you're feeling frisky !!
I’m struggling with this video helps thanks
Hope it serves you well Robert! If issues continue send swings to www.cogornoogolf.com and we can fix
I recently ordered a Tru Swing Pro training aid because I felt I was over doing the feel and bowing the wrist too much. Hoping that will get me in a more neutral position
hope it serves you well!
Hi, as always a very easy lesson to follow. Just a question on the downswing I don't see any shallowing of the shaft? Am I correct? Thanks
Hey Neil! That wasn't the topic of this video per say but if you search my name and "shallowing" you could see a whole bunch!
This is great and answered a lot of questions except for one of my major issues. What is the correct setting of the wrist and angle at address? Is it turned all the way down which raises your arms and stand up straighter, neutral, or partially cocked with hands lower? I'm trying all 3 and am confused.
Hey Frederick!
We go over that in detail you will like this one: th-cam.com/video/daTmquzE2zI/w-d-xo.html
Eric - is the wrist set the same for the driver?
Yes, same ideas here!
Best regards and good luck
Thank you!
GREAT VIDEO!!!!
Thank you John!
Can we have another vid on the wrist during the downswing and impact/release?
Here you are!
th-cam.com/video/U5w_7XwaVks/w-d-xo.html
John Rocks now I can see why he’s a 4 time teacher of the year in Philly
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I used to think about wrist set at the start of the swing. was really bad for me personally. I would get into trouble cocking the wrists that early. I think about a wide takeaway now and the wrist set just happens on its own. Definitely agree that rolling the forearms open is a death move... definitely don't recommend rolling those forearms/wrist angles.
Yessir!
More details on the amounts and timing
th-cam.com/video/PicEGBmuktI/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic video. Thank you. Does this wrist set approach also apply to a Driver swing?
Thanks Brian! Yes
Would the chopstick be a sub for the G-snap without the click sound?
Yep!
First in!
This lesson speaks to me.
Hope it serves you well Thomas!
Just a quick comment: it sure would help with the lessons to see a shot tracer. Thanks you
Thanks for the feedback Vic! Definitely something we continue to look into for future videos👊
There is a set of conventional wisdom around the game of golf that is just plain silly. Last spring I came out of winter having forgotten how to hit a golf ball-embarrassingly bad. A friend rescued me by sending a little instructional clip by a 15 year old girl. (At 71, I am still teachable...I am also 5'2" tall.) At the time I had regressed to struggling to break 100-even with having moved up to the red tees with my wife. Within a month I was in the mid 80s. Today I play at 80-plus or minus several...yesterday was 79-have gotten as low as 75. My wife soon kicked me back a set of tees and I now play from "white"...2 tees back from the lady's. I employ many of the principles that these standard instructional pieces declare as mandatory. My significant deviation to the "principles" is that my top hand grip, I'm a lefty, is a baseball grip-it facilitates hinging wonderfully. Otherwise, today golf is a piece of cake for me. Front arm very straight-it guides you back to the ball, back elbow tucked fairly tightly-it provides the power, stay very balanced and rotate around your spine-the arc of your swing will be determined by the natural flow created by the straight front arm and the tucked back elbow and you hit the ball out of the hinge and hang on to that hinge as long a possible-the club will release naturally.
All these "This will improve your score by 15 strokes immediately" instructional clips are okay for giving you ideas. However, this game is deeply idiosyncratic and things will go best if you figure it out for yourself. The good news for me is that I continue to improve-mostly because I have a relatively new, small set of 9 clubs...they are an inch shorter than standard and down a degree. Good luck to all of us.
I do that and my club is dead shut which keeps my right arm way too much on top of the left and feels like I can't complete my backswing
Hey Brad!
You might enjoy checking out these videos for some more info on the backswing and wrist pieces:
th-cam.com/video/d1YMt63QiuE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/3q3BSk21iUA/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for being here with us! Let us know if you have any questions!
One question please--when does the wrist hinge/set begin in the backswing? I realize that different players will begin the set earlier or later, but in general is it not better to initiate the backswing with the body's core (not the hands/wrists) with the club coming straight back for the first few feet and then, as the hands begin to pass the right leg, begin the wrist hinge more or less at that point. In the video it appears that you might be promoting initiation of the backswing with a wrist hinge, and, while some players seem to do this successfully (e.g., Michelle Wie), I do not think it wise because once we lose our connection with the body's core the backswing tends to lose its unified, one-piece feeling. Thanks for a clarification.
Hey Paula!
Here are all the details on the timing I went through thoroughly. The Amounts and timing...
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Thanks, Eric! How would you relate this to Mike Malaska’s philosophy of the right hand being the pusher (which is what causes the left arm to straighten) and Joe Nichols’ corners concept?
You got it!
Different "feels" that can all accomplish the same things..
I would prefer to see any pushing with the trail arm happen more in the second half of backswing...
What we are talking more about the push/pull is more in the initial takeaway
@@CogornoGolf Thanks. So if I understand correctly moving the butt end of the club out is crucial in the backswing. First of all, in the initial takeaway, the lead hand pushes to set the lead wrist (where the right pulls to lift the club up). And secondly, the palm of the trail hand pushing against the thumb of the lead hand, pushing the butt end of the clubhead out, creating width in the swing (where there is no tension in the lead arm, to maximise speed)?
Of course that won't be the same exact thing for all players but YES I would say thats a good big picture simplified look at it.
I do not personally feel ANY push down with my lead hand/arm....I feel a push with trail arm later backswing
'What Jon Rahn does is not what you can do'. I will say as it often happens in the golf-world of opposites, is that if you want to understand the feelings of left wrist not cupping but bowing, then practice hitting low draws with Rahm's super-weak left grip - it will teach you faster than anything you've ever tried - the amount of bowing required will almost hurt.
Bowing has nothing to do with face closure.
@@555Trout Where in what I wrote did I say it did? I said to practice hitting LOW draws with a weak left-hand grip. Almost every crappy high handicapper turns a strong left hand gripped with cupped left wrist into a high weak launching semi-slice - the opposite of which is forcing yourself to with a weak left grip hit a LOW draw - with massive left wrist bow to achieve the low part. Any other insightful comments?
@@wallstreetoneil Yes on another insightful comment. Your social skills are an abomination to humanity and your life will suck until you clean your act up.
Should I preset my wrists and then backswing?
Nope....gradual hinge
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I checked on video i take it back great but at the top I've opened the face and that's causing issues. I have to manipulate my right hand to close face. Ideally I would not need to do that. I'll need to check if I'm over doing the wrist hinge
Hey Keith!
Yep...thats OK. If its OFF in the beginning....you for need need to MANUALLY correct that to get to neutral
Is it fair to say the left hand shouldn't feel like it hinges (at least initially)? It was mentioned briefly in the video. I'm coming from the over hinging, cupped left hand. When I forcefully keep the left hand flat, it feel like I'm getting no power from the hinge. I look at the swing at the top and its not exactly 90. Maybe 80 degrees, I'm sure it reaches 90 degrees with the force of a full swing. The sensation is as if there's no hinging taking place.
Hey! Yes if you over hinge you will likely need to FEEL like no vertical hinge and all back hinge (left wrist flexion) right wrist extension.
In a real swing yes the left wrist hinges up some (from about 140-145* at setup to 90-75* at the top
The trail wrist mainly hinges BACK (extension)
If you OVER do any move you will need to FEEL a lot less to find middle.
I did some videos on that here:
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Normal to feel less power when taking hinge out....hinge is a power source. Want to find a middle ground
@@CogornoGolf Makes sense. I will check out those videos. It feels as if I will lose the club when keeping the left wrist flat at the top. Too much wiggle room forcing a tighter grip.
A while back ago I tried much larger grips. It limited what I thought was proper wrist hinge. I still have a large grip on an old driver. Trying it out at home and it promotes the flat left wrist. It also feels more secure.
Next time at the range I'll give it a go knowing the "no hinge on the left hinge" sensation is normal at first. IIRC last time using the large grip I tried improperly hinging the left wrist. That may be the reason why it wasn't working.
I'll watch the vids and go to the range. Let you know what happens. Thx
@@CogornoGolf The weekend I was going to range was the week the driving range closed down.
Alas I managed to find a golf club with a practice net free to use. It's hard to judge with no ball flight, but must say wrist don't feel overworked as usual. I'm also testing a diy jumbmax grips and it helps eliminate right wrist cupping. Only one club has it, the others are regular grips.
With that said, the regular grips have a similar story. Easier to find the slot. Less harsh on the wrist. I'm able to adopt a more neutral grip. Beforehand I tried it and I felt it limited wrist hinge. Well that was cupping, not proper wrist hinge.
Hi Eric, when will you film some shortgame or putting videos again?
Haha good question! We generally dont get as much action on youtube in terms of views and action on short game so we do less....maybe some more this winteR?
Haha. John is a lot of fun.
John is awesome! Thanks for watching!
"I mean, the amount of one-liners so far is just unbelievable." Too funny. 8:19
Lol :)
I get it and training the left wrist to get into that position. No problem at all PW-7iron but put 5i in my hands and everything just breaks. Anything done differently for long irons?
No sir!
Thanks for the response! I would have to assume there's an issue in the swing itself and simply not seeing the problem in the short irons but gets magnified anything above 7i.
Will have to go back to the drawing board and take a closer look at my base swing.
AAAAMAZING!!!
Thank you!
How does this work with bowing the lead wrist?
Hey Stephen!
I think these two videos will help explain the best:
th-cam.com/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
th-cam.com/video/wDl5b_PULsU/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Let us know if you have any questions after watching!
So if it's flat at the top do I need to twist it closed in the downswing or it'll square itself?
IT needs to twist.....
Whether you consciously do it or not
IF you do it without thought then great dont add any....if you dont then add it
Can I ignore what my wrists are doing if my club face is closed on the backswing? Its easier to see the club face then it is to see the wrists.
For sure you dont have to CONSCIOUSLY think about your wrists IF they are doing the correct motions.
Club face closed is PART of it.
Set it and forget it 🎯
:)
But what about shallowing the club? That seems to bend the left wrist more than flat, the opposite of cupping the wrist.
Hey Brian!
We are talking backswing here...for shallowing in downswing adding in some lead wrist flexion (bow) and ulnar deviation (unhinge) can help with shallowing!
Here is more on that part
th-cam.com/video/pbSjG_shg7U/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/w9WhdAGwv6c/w-d-xo.html
Same feeling with driver and iron?
Yes, all clubs here!
Headed for the range with chopsticks right after done with my kungpao chicken. Hope will fix my slice.
Hope it helps Justin!👊
It's funny many of the best players in the world today have bowed lead wrists at the top
For sure! There is a nice spectrum of bowed, flat an slightly cupped depending on their grip.
Could pushing down with the lead hand too soon cut into your width?
IT could....anything is possible...anything could be OVER or UNDER done.
Video always key to check
I would look for lead arm and club to be about 90* by left arm parallel in backswing
@@CogornoGolf Thanks for taking the time to reply.
is this the same with a strong grip?
The stronger the grip usually the more toward extension the lead wrist will be to keep the face square and add some hinge
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TY@@CogornoGolf
"John Rahm, not what you want to do."
Never ceased to be amazed when people cite some aspect of a certain pro's game and then use it as a reason that they can to.
I got news for you, you ain't that guy.
:)
@@CogornoGolf Whenever I see Rahm's swing I think "Not for normal humans, do not try at home."
Sorry but Steve Johnson explains this much simpler in about 5 minutes. No chopstick needed. Push with the bottom 3 fingers of the left hand and pull with the middle 2 fingers of the right hand during your backswing. Alot less confusing. It gives proper wrist hinge and straightens the left arm. Most of your stuff is good but sometimes get lost in all the talking. Keep up the great work.
All good---thanks for the feedback, Tom!
This one had potential but missed the mark.
Yes, the heel leading toe(closed) on the backswing is critically important. Something I was instrumental in convincing you of Eric some time ago.
However, left wrist flexion/extension has nothing to do with face opening/closure. It only affects loft. This is where this lesson goes sideways.
There are two ways to affect face opening/closure.
1. Radial and ulna rotating over each other below elbow, and
2. The left shoulder joint rotating in arm plane.
One can see with this realization that even with the left wrist fully extended(cupped) with either or both of the radial/ulna deviation and/or shoulder rotation the face can be closed or wide open with flat left or flexed left wrist.
Equating left wrist cupping with face opening is just wrong. And it terribly misleads golfers into missing the actual things that affect face orientation.
We need motion limiters and awareness of radial/ulnar deviation and left shoulder rotation to manage face position.
Left wrist flexion/extension has nothing to with it.
Again, left wrist flexion/extension only affects loft.
I agree that players incorrectly make more wrist "hinge" by radial /ulnar deviation coupled with left wrist extension, however what opened the face was the radial /ulnar deviation, not the wrist extension.
Redo.
Haha thanks as always for your feedback buddy! Have a great day.
Dinner Plate Drill
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Sorry that this comment isn’t specifically on this video. It is on one where you same two guys talk about left arm rotation in the downswing. You emphasize that the left arm supinates during the entire downswing. You say how pros unwind the arm twice as much as amateurs, but slower. Yet, I just got finished watching one of your videos where you tell us to do the exact opposite-namely, rotate the arm the opposite way to shallow the club and point the elbow away from the ground. These two videos, trying to explain the left arm move in the downswing, are 100% diametrically opposed in their motions. This is why I find instruction so frustrating. It would be different if instructor “A” said supinate from the top through impact, and instructor “B” said pronate the arm, but in both cases, it was the same instructor (you!). Can you try to clarify this obvious contradiction?
For sure, Art!
When you watch back that other videos----what did I say the POINT was of doing the opposite with lead arm?
What does that do to shaft?
What issue would a player have that would need MORE of that?
The reality is the majority of this arm rotation happens just after the player starts down.
If someone is too STEEP with shaft....what would they need more of?
Its different per person because the people are coming from different places.
Hi, Eric
Thanks for the nice reply. I would like to tell you that I purchased your Master Class for Goat Humping (LOL), and it has been very beneficial. I have been playing golf for over sixty years, have been a member of the USGTF for almost twenty years, have been a single digit handicap player since I was a kid, but have always had early extension (even before I knew that was a “thing”). Just because of esthetics, I wanted to ditch that problem. I’d tried everything I could think of-chair behind me drills, etc. I could keep my butt on the chair but my distances would be comparable to using a Camen golf ball! And my head would end up two feet closer to the target than my belt buckle. This was worse than the early extension problem! Your program (I’m just finishing the first week’s drills) has been very helpful. I’ve used the Live View Golf program (I got it at the PGA Merchandise Show two years ago-I wish it came with a manual, because I can’t do anything with it except watch myself on my iPad and record swings. I don’t know how to use the other features.) to watch my progress, and in just the first week, I’m seeing a lot of success. I can’t wait to do the next three weeks of drills. I enjoy your output on the internet, and I have to say that I have been very pleased with my association with Performance Works Golf (did I get that right? Anyway, you know what I mean.). I have a couple of your classes (Right brain vs left brain, although I haven’t gone through all of that one yet; the early extension program; and the putting video by a guy I respect a lot-Kevin Weeks. I got to know Kevin fairly well while I was teaching for Dave Pelz and we were at Cog Hill for several weeks running, four or five years in a row. I really like Kevin, and bought the program just because it was his presentation, and I got a lot of new and valuable information.)
So, anyway, thanks for getting back to me. I look forward to finishing the early extension class and getting a little more consistency out of my game.
Art
Hey Eric can we get a hairline reveal?
$100
Dear coaches this video at best could've been five minutes long. Please skip unnecessary details... for future
Thanks for the feedback!
Can I get a discount code for the chopstick? 😂
Three easy payments of $9.99 LOL
You have to supinate big time if you're setting your wrists like this.
I would say that's the case only if you overdo it and start excessively extending your lead wrist/opening the club face...then that could lead to excessive lead arm supination in an attempt to square the face.
Appreciate you watching the channel!
The chopstick is a great idea.
👊Hope this one helps, Harold!