With Steve its like you gamble most of your health away to get one launch that might give you 70-80 damage, most of which the opponent will regain because its recoverable
TMM is also not using his optimal combos, you can get 85-100 damage with walls in the fc df2 or dck 2 launches. Understandable since he plays so many characters and hasn't really had time to hone in Steve though. You're right about the gambling though, Steve not having a ws2 or df2 launcher is crippling against characters with good high crush
@@Kibzdabibz May I ask what is the Steve mix? All his good lows are launch punishable (qcf2, stomp) so more gambling and the non launch punishable lows (d1, fc df1, d2,1) aren't good enough to worry about imo
@aqueelkadri8371 that's the point, his lows aren't that threatening, so you can keep spamming them lol. A good flowchart is to do d1 into weave 1,2 because people like to interrupt there.
One thing I learned about playing Tekken 8 is that if you play Tekken 8 like it’s Tekken 7 or any of the previous Tekken games, you are going to get fucked. Badly
Watching you rank Lars would be a great also! How someone of your Mishima pedigree would navigate the one with the opposite of all their favorite moves would be a TRIP to see! Gg's!
Watching TMM take that Paul ass whooping made me feel better about how I get done sometimes in blue ranks lmao. Sometimes you just get Molly whopped and have to take the L
I was thinking of starting playing Steve, and while training with him I realized how hard it is to play him, the execution he requires really does not match how strong he is
@@IntermediateRepresentation yeah execution wise he is definitely easier then 7, gameplay wise he is harder for sure, since with this game you can see the disadvantage of not having a 50/50 much more than 7. while you had to work so much to launch someone in higher ranks, there are characters who can just launch you in a stupid string and thats really frustrating, and his damage is so low compared to 7 too
I mean his combos are way easier than in t7 if thats what you mean by execution but otherwise he is definetely weakier than he was in t7, the overall damage reduction on counter hit launchers for t8 affect him a lot but thats just for combos
Today I reached tekken emperor with Steve, it’s so difficult to play with him I really understand u main man I have so many controllers that got ruined trying to learn him to that level
Steve's limits really show when he's up against a character like Yoshi or Kazuya. His awful heat throws or heatsmash that hits once a every six months is literally peanuts compared to the billion dollar life stealing slashes Yoshi has or the keep out explosive wave kazuya has in heat. Steve has no wall carry combo Dmg ch game or mix ups. All he's left with is below average poking and flowcharts even green ranks can predict easily. And the best thing about LH stance is that it can be avoided now 😂. Even the replacement steve got for losing his Ch launchers is gone.
Idk how useful it is but you have access to his while crouching DF2 from flicker. You go into FL while holding back and then roll into a crouch cancel into DF2
he has many auto pilot setups if you know them he is chill only his inputs are giga exhausting easy hardest inputs in the game (outside of max combo dmg)
@@ranges787ur right but what’s the hardest the most is his gameplay it’s extremely hard to play with him while having all this flashing charecters he is too generic
As a steve main been a steve main since tekken 4 steve is hard to play with you gotta learn how too his mix ups you gotta learn his stances and work on timing its tough playing competitive
as a steve main who doesnt play that much and is moving int oblue ranks...you need to play 5x that good sometimes is a understatment...sometimes i think when i played against cahracters like nina,dragunov,feng,alise steve should have like +1 frame on everything...
@@tristanherb49 believe me that move was 0 track before and now It has every tracking in the world. And yes it's safe and does more dmg then previous games.
Hey bro, no doubt your fundamentals are great. But if you are struggling with Steve, then there is nothing wrong in getting coaching from a pro Steve player. Any pro that you respect. Just a thought. 💪
Is it me or does Steves damage in T8 look kinda lackluster compared to other characters? Almost everyone including gimmicky characters such as Yoshi or Xiaoyu can do 100+ combos and Steve struggles to take 40% with heat and a wall
He can do some things that hurt a lot, but it is tougher to get those opportunities. What doesn’t make sense is that every character seems to do just as much damage.
In a game that's already over tuned they aren't needed all they do is save people that struggle with comebacks, like sure we can bait it out but then it becomes a turtle match to see if they will throw it out. Personally I feel they should only be available in combos if they are going to have them, no way should I hit a player with 2+ hits and that crap beats me out.
Steve is the only time in tekken i have ever tried to pick up a new character and then just drop them. Once you understand just how much effort he is and how truly trash he is, you realize it's just not worth it.
He's not trash lol, you just need to work harder with him than other characters. Super rewarding though if you have good defense, you just can't play mindless offense with him after purple ranks or so.
@@VermilionGatesSuper rewarding? It looks to me like he gets a fraction out of what any other character would get out of defense. I don't use him, but it looks like he works much harder and gets less for it. If I'm missing something on him that makes him not bad, please enlighten me, because again, I don't use him
@chakrashadow3220 Steve is a movement based character, get good with his weaves and reading your opponent and you can dominate. Steve is still A tier, he has the potential to be S tier even if a person is willing to put all of their work into this character. Look at Heera Malik or Shinblade and you'll see that Steve is strong in the right hands
@@VermilionGates So that's why he looks weak to me. I mostly use Jin, with Kazuya as a side, so he's just fundamentally different from them. Thanks for the explanation.
i'd rather have t8 steve removed and replaced with t7 steve, literally every single thing about him is a downgrade, them adding lionheart only made them remove and compromise on a lot of other stuff he had even though lionheart is shit
@@kry7999 it definitely didn't make him better, the opposite actually it made him a bit boring IMO. But I think it's a fact: If you play Steve how you did in T7, you gonna have a bad time.
@@VermilionGates ws22 is a natural combo most likely ws2 just doesn’t connect like said only 2f window so it’s not that easy but by far his best option for that +8 into lnh
It's weird to see this about Lidia in EU, in SA there's A LOT of Lidias, at least between orange to blue ranks. But honestly, for ranked, why would someone stick with Lidia when Jin, Nina, Dragunov, Yoshimitsu, Feng, King and Alisa exists?
You said you hope Lidia finds a fanbase - But i think they kinda destroyed the old fanbase. Shes a full fletched Stance Character now. Thast not what she was in T7. She had stances and had stance pressure in some situations. But now her whole identity is stance pressure. I was a Lidia main in T7 but i really dislike her gameplay now.
All Mainmans mods getting banned is funny as fuck. He stil thinks they are innocent even tho he himself is doing ban worthy shit but just in different chats.
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I’m not a Steve main but I do like to see a boxer do his thing in a fighting game
a man of culture i see
Honestly i dislike boxing,seems like a black street culture thing(nowadays),but its reliable so i learn a bit
Whats wrong with you@@newhybrid101
@@newhybrid101🤡
@@newhybrid101 what in the hell are you talking about?
With Steve its like you gamble most of your health away to get one launch that might give you 70-80 damage, most of which the opponent will regain because its recoverable
TMM is also not using his optimal combos, you can get 85-100 damage with walls in the fc df2 or dck 2 launches. Understandable since he plays so many characters and hasn't really had time to hone in Steve though. You're right about the gambling though, Steve not having a ws2 or df2 launcher is crippling against characters with good high crush
If your opponent isn't falling for the counters, thats your que to annoy them with pokes and stance gimmicks lol.
@@Kibzdabibz May I ask what is the Steve mix?
All his good lows are launch punishable (qcf2, stomp) so more gambling and the non launch punishable lows (d1, fc df1, d2,1) aren't good enough to worry about imo
@aqueelkadri8371 that's the point, his lows aren't that threatening, so you can keep spamming them lol. A good flowchart is to do d1 into weave 1,2 because people like to interrupt there.
@aqueelkadri8371 also fc df1 is just his f3+4 stance low, which can loop into itself. (Hope this helps you get more wins)
One thing I learned about playing Tekken 8 is that if you play Tekken 8 like it’s Tekken 7 or any of the previous Tekken games, you are going to get fucked. Badly
Watching you rank Lars would be a great also! How someone of your Mishima pedigree would navigate the one with the opposite of all their favorite moves would be a TRIP to see! Gg's!
Watching TMM take that Paul ass whooping made me feel better about how I get done sometimes in blue ranks lmao. Sometimes you just get Molly whopped and have to take the L
you shouldn't feel any better cos tmm plays against people who are god of destruction with their other charachters due to his very high prowess
@@Ray-hx5fu Bruh stfu. Everyone gets there ass beat no matter the level
Mihawk is insane tho
@@Ray-hx5fu well no shit Bud. It’s a joke lol.
Steve needs all the help he can get... You can't trap the fox 😂😂😂
Steve main scene tekken 4, I LAND YOU MY POWER 🖐️
I was thinking of starting playing Steve, and while training with him I realized how hard it is to play him, the execution he requires really does not match how strong he is
Idk I’m a couple games away from blue with Steve and I personally don’t agree, barring down back cancels I don’t really see any mechanical difficulty.
@@IntermediateRepresentation yeah execution wise he is definitely easier then 7, gameplay wise he is harder for sure, since with this game you can see the disadvantage of not having a 50/50 much more than 7. while you had to work so much to launch someone in higher ranks, there are characters who can just launch you in a stupid string and thats really frustrating, and his damage is so low compared to 7 too
@@IntermediateRepresentation what is mechanical difficulty?
@@treyrayner3862I think they're referring to execution difficulty. like how hard it is to do combos, follow ups etc.
I mean his combos are way easier than in t7 if thats what you mean by execution but otherwise he is definetely weakier than he was in t7, the overall damage reduction on counter hit launchers for t8 affect him a lot but thats just for combos
That Paul came to fight lol
That first Paul was a very capable Tekken player
thats legendary mihawk he is a pro player obviously hes extremely good
@@LiamParkinson-is1gs Wasn't aware
Thanks
Didn't expect pros to drop that many ranks
@@aqueelkadri8371He is GoD with Drag and has multiple other characters almost there. He was just having a Paul and King stint.
@@AOTOM382 Oh ok
Pretty nice
Today I reached tekken emperor with Steve, it’s so difficult to play with him I really understand u main man I have so many controllers that got ruined trying to learn him to that level
Yh he is really hard he's my main and im at rajin, when i run into xiaoyu, i almost always struggle, guess i have to lab more
@@jervaniwilliams9071 ling is one of Steve’s worst match ups
Installing Steve voice mod will definitely help your grind. My friend recommended me few months ago and it definitely feels better
Lmao, please tell me how to do it.
Certain matchups give me trouble as a Steve main it’s gets hard sometimes.
Rain comes from clouds
@@smolmac7777 The grass is green too
What is up what is down? The ceiling and the ground. 😉
We need deathmatches back You can't learn the matchup and people do the cheapest shit to win and or they just 1 and done
29:44 I felt those whiffed B1s in my soul 😞
Loving seeing you play Steve
Steve's limits really show when he's up against a character like Yoshi or Kazuya. His awful heat throws or heatsmash that hits once a every six months is literally peanuts compared to the billion dollar life stealing slashes Yoshi has or the keep out explosive wave kazuya has in heat. Steve has no wall carry combo Dmg ch game or mix ups. All he's left with is below average poking and flowcharts even green ranks can predict easily. And the best thing about LH stance is that it can be avoided now 😂. Even the replacement steve got for losing his Ch launchers is gone.
sadly this is true you have to outplay your opponent and while you do that hope they don't launch you one time and explode you.
Idk how useful it is but you have access to his while crouching DF2 from flicker. You go into FL while holding back and then roll into a crouch cancel into DF2
steve is exhausting to play for long periods of time because you actually have to use your braincells to the maximalus
😂😂 no
he has many auto pilot setups
if you know them he is chill only his inputs are giga exhausting
easy hardest inputs in the game
(outside of max combo dmg)
..
@@ranges787ur right but what’s the hardest the most is his gameplay it’s extremely hard to play with him while having all this flashing charecters he is too generic
@@kurayamaking6425 yes
As a steve main been a steve main since tekken 4 steve is hard to play with you gotta learn how too his mix ups you gotta learn his stances and work on timing its tough playing competitive
as a steve main who doesnt play that much and is moving int oblue ranks...you need to play 5x that good sometimes is a understatment...sometimes i think when i played against cahracters like nina,dragunov,feng,alise steve should have like +1 frame on everything...
At the beginning its great to see a player make Paul work the way I cant,
I play paul and he has great tools to counter Steve’s pressure. Could also be that I face bad Steve’s
Please more Steve videos. For some reason I only watch Tekken 8 when you or Heera Malik play Steve
I recommend M Burhan as well. Crazy Steve
@@Lahmeinthehouse thx brother another great steve player to watch
@@tristanherb49 anytime! Let me know what you think
he only could endure 30 minutes of steve in ranked 😅
I’m sorry you can’t comprehend anything properly
@@abraxe5469bro i actually want to see more steve 🥊
2:27 "kissin" 💀
He said Bushin as “Bussin” as well 🤣
Ive been enjoying lidia. Its just that heihachi is in the horizon 😅
I reached blue with Steve and it felt like I was the best tekken player in the world, seeing main man struggle like this makes me feel better.
19:26 JEEEESUS the new tracking of that thing...I have to use It more, it's blatantly Broken.
you mean uf1? its also safe i should also use it more.
@@tristanherb49 believe me that move was 0 track before and now It has every tracking in the world.
And yes it's safe and does more dmg then previous games.
The Sagat/Heihachi Kazuya was serious mun😂😂
Check out Heera Maliks steve, maybe youll find some inspiration from his steve gameplay
11k subs?? Wow what a milestone for tmm
Yo Main Man, Poland want You to now its eagle not a hawk from Lidias rage art. Great content as usual 🫡
idk why tmm never uses steve's lionheart stuff
maybe he isn't used to it or he thinks its bad
because it sucks against good players that know not to get near you when you are in LH
@@TungstenViper yeah but that in itself makes them keep away which is some kind of control at the least
@@buffering-rn5xi it's good for fishing attacks on trigger happy players but good players know how to keep close without letting you counter
@@TungstenViper fair enough haha.. Better stop using lh too much XD
Hey bro, no doubt your fundamentals are great. But if you are struggling with Steve, then there is nothing wrong in getting coaching from a pro Steve player. Any pro that you respect. Just a thought. 💪
Never thought I'd see Steve get bodied by Keemstar and his pet raven.
Theres nothing more impressive than a good Steve idc argue with a wall
Interesting concept. TMM takes *insert character* to Tekken God, and I pay for TMM's rent for the month.
I play Lidia...she and Jin are my mains...and it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm Polish xD
She fit af🤣🤣
Is it me or does Steves damage in T8 look kinda lackluster compared to other characters? Almost everyone including gimmicky characters such as Yoshi or Xiaoyu can do 100+ combos and Steve struggles to take 40% with heat and a wall
He can do some things that hurt a lot, but it is tougher to get those opportunities.
What doesn’t make sense is that every character seems to do just as much damage.
the devs hate steve
uh knee got eliminated by joe crush at evo
... i really HATE Rage arts. The more i see them, the more i hate them. My wish nr1 for T8 was the removal of fkn Rage Arts
In a game that's already over tuned they aren't needed all they do is save people that struggle with comebacks, like sure we can bait it out but then it becomes a turtle match to see if they will throw it out. Personally I feel they should only be available in combos if they are going to have them, no way should I hit a player with 2+ hits and that crap beats me out.
Now this is what I call fun.
2:47 deja vu lol
Steve is the only time in tekken i have ever tried to pick up a new character and then just drop them. Once you understand just how much effort he is and how truly trash he is, you realize it's just not worth it.
He's not trash lol, you just need to work harder with him than other characters. Super rewarding though if you have good defense, you just can't play mindless offense with him after purple ranks or so.
It was fun in Tekken 7, but it’s honestly torture in Tekken 8.
@@VermilionGatesSuper rewarding? It looks to me like he gets a fraction out of what any other character would get out of defense.
I don't use him, but it looks like he works much harder and gets less for it. If I'm missing something on him that makes him not bad, please enlighten me, because again, I don't use him
@chakrashadow3220 Steve is a movement based character, get good with his weaves and reading your opponent and you can dominate. Steve is still A tier, he has the potential to be S tier even if a person is willing to put all of their work into this character. Look at Heera Malik or Shinblade and you'll see that Steve is strong in the right hands
@@VermilionGates So that's why he looks weak to me. I mostly use Jin, with Kazuya as a side, so he's just fundamentally different from them.
Thanks for the explanation.
30 min getting cyber bullied
Love you dude
What is the input for the attack where steve is saying ,,Smash"
Qcf1
its called rocket launcher
Sorry mainman. Even if ALL of my Steve Bros give you, all our Power. Steve still really hard and bad
Do a feng wei ranked match. I wanna see that
boring
watching this after losing 2 ranks with steve today
Being able to sidewalk a 360 hook should be illegal tbh
Whats that music? I like it
Not a Steve player myself, but to me this T7 style of Steve looks feels and weak, but if played like a Kempo Feng he is not bad at all.
i'd rather have t8 steve removed and replaced with t7 steve, literally every single thing about him is a downgrade, them adding lionheart only made them remove and compromise on a lot of other stuff he had even though lionheart is shit
@@kry7999 it definitely didn't make him better, the opposite actually it made him a bit boring IMO.
But I think it's a fact: If you play Steve how you did in T7, you gonna have a bad time.
Steve ! I'm in!!!!
Literally every other match on ranked is against a Lidia for me. I don’t know if you were being sarcastic.
What happened that made mainman change so drastically from a Jin secondary/enjoyer to a Jin hater? O_O
Probably playing Steve lol. Jin gets away with a lot of free shit against this character
Jin is easy mode in this game. he has main character syndrome in full force
@@VermilionGatesjin/steve matchup is even
@@TungstenViper But he said that even before he co-mained him, idk what changed, we all knew that
because jin went from difficult to play and fun to play against in t7 to easy as fuck and super annoying to play against in t8
Why dont u abuse lionheart and pkb stance?
TheMainManSwe i want to fight your ghost steve fox 🙈
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That steve combo damage is very low even with the wall.
what is good damage?
@@tristanherb49consistent 75+ from dang near a situation
i think steve can't do that wothout wall but with wall he can definetly go over that.
But then again his damage sucks ass.
Ok here you go, uggggghhhhhhhmmmmmmhuuuhh
I swear I fight lidia every 2 games
why go for df2 sonic fang?
df2 ws22 is just straight up better and has a 2f window
and yes wall splat grab pab f 1+2 is frame perfect.
Yeah but you can kinda buffer peekaboo depending on the distance you’re at so it’s not that hard to do
Is df2 ws22 even guaranteed? I usually get the second 2 blocked
@@VermilionGates ws22 is a natural combo most likely ws2 just doesn’t connect like said only 2f window so it’s not that easy but by far his best option for that +8 into lnh
Wheres Kuma?
It's weird to see this about Lidia in EU, in SA there's A LOT of Lidias, at least between orange to blue ranks.
But honestly, for ranked, why would someone stick with Lidia when Jin, Nina, Dragunov, Yoshimitsu, Feng, King and Alisa exists?
I am here!!!
Try xiaoyu it's more difficult
Why is Paul ducking against Steve Fox? 😅
Because 80% of Steve’s moves are highs
@@Crimsongzsadly yes but he has rocket launcher and df1 as mids ^^
@@tristanherb49 yep those are from the 20% non highs 😏
@@Crimsongz its so annoying to get constantly ducked and launched or high crushed for the other 80% tho ...
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Tekken 8 is a misunderstanding... at low ranks, every 2-3 matches I meet a Russian garbage guy playing with a macro/auto combo.
Steve botox is back
Yo.. anybody here from Brazil or South America? There are players on these region?
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masku
You said you hope Lidia finds a fanbase - But i think they kinda destroyed the old fanbase.
Shes a full fletched Stance Character now. Thast not what she was in T7. She had stances and had stance pressure in some situations. But now her whole identity is stance pressure.
I was a Lidia main in T7 but i really dislike her gameplay now.
Old fanbase didn't exist because nobody played her after the nerfs. Everyone in t7 was using her because she was s tier
@@kemalerdemsahin410 I literally said I mained her 😂
Also, she had still a big fanbase, even after the insane amount of nerfs
@@RealKaukus ah yeah? Then how come I saw more ganryu, m raven, bears, chloe, eliza than lidia after nerfs?
I hate Lidia for her bs stances and unblockable moves
Play some reina please 🥹
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All Mainmans mods getting banned is funny as fuck. He stil thinks they are innocent even tho he himself is doing ban worthy shit but just in different chats.
Context?
get a life?