@@BSJINTHEHOUSE420 As Dragunov began to expand his domain, Yoshimitsu Began to expand his after the clash of domains ended in a draw Yoshimitsu used his imaginey technique: Unblockable low. But there were 2 things Yoshimitsu did not know, first is that Dragunov had learned how to avoid as Dragunov landed his down 2. Yoshimtsu saw an opurtnity when he was very low on health, he saw that Dragunov was going to while dashing 2 to grab expecting this move Yoshimitsu prepared to crouch and use his launcher. But Dragunov had stoped and started his crouch dash. At this moment Yoshimtsu had realized that he had just lost. And Sneak 4's mighty blow landed right on Yoshi's head and Dragunov wrote on a piece of paper to give to Yoshi: Stand Proud, Yoshi you are strong.
he was, i remember trying him in 6 and tag 2 and it was hard for me to understand his gameplay, but now that he has easy damage and easy set ups i was able to get him to tekken king with just basic combos and basic setups using just like half of his move set
He still is reasonably difficult. His difficulty comes with using the right moves stances and cancels in the right situations, awareness which stances your in etc. But he has good keepout and ch launchers so u can get good mileage on him from his combo damage if u got fundamentals. Tmms yoshi is garbage but he has good tekken fundamentals and is good at combos
@@FlyXcurnope just because eventually ppl will try to bait flash dosent make him difficult the fact ppl even have to bait flash when they have plus frames makes him easier Yoshi is not difficult
How are all these people getting flashed constantly and they aren't flowcharting? Them Yoshis must have some real fkn good timing to be flashing on reaction and in neutral 🤔 Edit: was being facetious. Ppl took the bait and literally went as far as giving examples of how they avtually flowchart their offense and get flashed.
@@Sicknificant1 because thats how tekken is played. If my opponent does a move thats -4, then i will obviously jab check, or df1 check. But Thats impossible against yoshi when he just flashes and you get robbed. So the only reliable way to beat him is by fishing with safe counter hit launchers or by being as patient as knee. And his oki is complete bullshit. You tech roll into an unblockable and you get reset, you tech roll into f1+2 heat dash and yoshi is safe. You stay on the ground and eat f1+2 and get reset, you stay on the ground and he does the unblockable and hes safe. Note this is at the wall, but thats one combo for yoshi due to his insane carry
@@Sicknificant1it takes 0 timing to that flash as a yoshi player. In the middle of big plus frames a yoshi can just use it. If they don’t it’s cuz they simply chose not to rob someone
@@AmeerMaybeThis is not true, only on paper. You think that when Yoshi is minus 4 and you jab check it's 6f flash+4=10f flash vs. 10f jab. A draw, flash winning because it has the better hit properties. The reality is that flash is going to whiff because the hitbox of flash won't hit your hurtbox of your character. Test it out with many characters. In neutral and at the wall.
I wonder how long it'll take for people to realise Yoshimitsu isn't supposed to be honest. The guy's a thief, they put that into his gameplay. You'd think they'd notice faster.
Tmm's fundamentals allow him to pick up and play any charachter especially if they have good launchers and combo damage he isn't doing anything busted and you can see in the matches there's obvious counterplay
@@skwadbossYes, but it requires minimal effort from the Yoshi player, but hours of practice/study for the defender to even have a chance (against the stuff that’s not guaranteed).
Note, TMM lost 6 straight and raged quit once he reached his actual level of play. Yoshi has his 6th best ELO rating, so he’s definitely not breezing through with him lol
He keeps bringing out his Yoshi win-rate, but he constantly uses Yoshi to farm viewers in player matches and that is why the win-rate is so high, since it's not ranked only.
@firasempire5294 And I mean that there's no robbery anywhere. Instead of waiting the timer out, he mashed, got ch, and then chipped because he failed to block. He just lost the round fair and square.
Duck 3,1. Duck df1,2 Don't constantly mash the next move in your pressure flowchart just bc you are +1-4 His flash is launch punishable when it whiffs if you bait it. Legit if you just block and can react to +40frame unblockables the Yoshi will really struggle. Also if you/your character has a good sidestep he is surprisingly linear and his strings basically do not autocorrect alignment at all. He has like 3 tracking moves in neutral which are all highs and his other tracking moves are locked behind stance.
In T7 Yoshi had a wall combo against the bears that guaranteed his spinning unblockable even if they decided to stay on the ground, and if they techrolled it still hit, on techroll right or left I think it gave a wallsplat. But it was difficult to get, because you needed the correct angle. I spent hours in practice mode just to get some cool tech, I found many. They removed all of these stuff from the game, just to get a character like he is now. 😢
You don't even want me to get started in the 100 setups they removed from Xiao to turn her into a Hypnotist spam character. Tbh ever since Tekken 7 removed jump over tech it felt like they were watering down more nuanced oki options and T8 was king of it.
@nayd5043 Yeah, I don't like how they simplified characters in T8, setup characters like Yoshi and Ling should have great oki setups but terrible damage. I like both Yoshi and Ling still, but I mainly played them in 7 as a Bryan/Kazuya main bc I liked their setups tbh.
@@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ I agree, the funny thing is that in the closed beta she still had her oki. But instead of nerfing the damage they destroyed her identity, from beta to release they removed all of her setups probably because some brainlet beta tester with 0 sense of balance gave trash feedback to the team and now we have her as she is.
@@nayd5043 The balancing team in T7 understood more how to balance character types, it wasn't perfect, but it was better, this game's balancing is straight up trash. The only thing it did better than 7 is there are no actual low tiers, all characters are decent, but that's all about it.
Id like to see you try lidia to see how you would fare... also try to understand how you would go about her gameplan and your thoughts on her after that.
I hope TMM picks up azucena at some point. Now that shes been nerfed she feels pretty fair and balanced. Not too strong and not too weak. Plus shes loads of fun to play
Yoshi should be on the other end of roaster. On one end is Heihachi hard to play and bad with small tekken, but Big dmg. Yoshi should be the one with Good tools, Oki, poking, flash BUT LOW DMG! How the hell he has so much dmg with all those tools?!
The guy talking about hitting Bushin and getting god ranks on secondaries is true because I also get Tekken kings/emperors on seconds all the time, have also gotten a god Shaheen player a Raijin Feng. Damn near uninstalled cause I’m only kishin lmao.
Cry more the character does too much damage. It’s ok you al will be fine. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to not play the character. Y’all so sensitive it’s so bizarre how yall whine like your character is like this mystical hard character to play. Stop whining in the comments and just get carried. Like wtf??
@@kizarugaming4829 TMM: WAAA BADUSH EASY CHARACTER EASY RANK YOU PLAY KAZUYA YOU DESERVE 5 MORE RANKS CHEESY BULLSHIT BUAAAH CHEESE THIS CHEESE THAT Normal people enjoying the game: idk man things have counterplay and nuance, there's strong characters but counterplay exists and cheese is not that good once you sit down and learn TMM drones: Haha so brianded characters! Nernf nerf nerf youre character so brianded XD learn from us masku chads maksu! I perfect electricoed u mum last night snowflake 😂 deal with it 😎
@@Flintc08 "mystical hard character to play" is exactly the situation surrounding TMM's narrative around Kazuya/Brian/Heihachi. I'm stealing that. You can keep the rest of your comment.
@@hyunka2756 I play Steve and idk about all the yap on how hes such a honest and hardworking hard reads 0 flowchart character. Power crush into heat engager with a million damage mini combo that unlike high ones is safe vs jabs? Check. Safe moves including a safeish CH launcher with b1 flicker cancel? Check. Bilions of stances and moves with endless cancels into one another for knowledge checking? Check. Guard break move knowledge check and easy access pressure? Check. Evasive moves with PAB backswing blow and OVA HERE Kenpo for annoying? Check. Lots of throws including one that gives combo at the corner and on heat to delete people with bad throw breaks? Check. Idk he seems to have a lot of things people use as excuse to call characters mashy and braindead and yet he's the hardest in the game cause he has no standard launcher and "plays around CH"(something that even "braindead"chars do...), easy execution without shiro combo as well, weird.
TMM playing against 240k-260k Tekken prowess while having +420k prowess and +20ty years of maining Tekken. You are literally playing against intermediate players which are hard below high level tekken players. You are so tilted against so many characters and just want to frame them as no skill. "Look guys I am Tekken Emperor, see how ez it is?!" With your background it's interesting to see that you are to this day a whiner. While other people cry about heihachi stage, tekken shop and dragunov. You cry about 50 % of the tekken cast. Maybe it's Time to change your L mindset. If Yoshi is this op, he'll get nerfed, professionals will play him in tournaments, the casuals will play him or at least try him out, too. Let Time decide how broken and op he really is without your constant downplaying of characters and players. Some in the community would appreciate it.
Im afraid that “time” doesnt take away the bad things in a game. A game could be out for YEARS and still keep in some obvious crazy and broken things. I can agree with you on some points, but overall its not like what he is doing is crazy or out of the ordinary and with the prowess thing im not really understanding where that is coming from. And as fair as the players playing some characters he doesnt like, he still acknowledges when someone does something well on that character. I dont think he is straight calling ppl no skill for who theyre playing but addressing some of the issues
He does also acknowledge some crazy things with kazuya as well so i dont think he is being completely bias but i can agree he can complain a bit but lets not all act like we haven’t
you are missing the point. Time does actually reveal things. Many had no idea how strong Feng was for a long time on T7 until the tech was all discovered and then he started making strong appearances in tournaments. Some characters are obviously busted from the start but sometimes on a complicated fighting game it takes a while for people to find all the tech. And the bad things TMM and yoahi whiners (I'm not even a yoshi main) complain about are soooo counterable and say nothing about his many obvious weaknesses that yall will never know about. So yea... let's see him consistently in top 8 or dominating God of destruction ranks at least at some point before people start calling for things they literally do not understand. Many pros think DVJ was nerfed way too hard in T8. Dude is a bottom tier character and always has been, even when T8 first came out. He was only S tier when he was in heat. And his heat move tbh... that was a bunch of first month players complaining about it. Many high level players now would agree "yea we just sucked bc it was a new game and new thing, he could probably have some of that stuff back and it wouldn't be a big deal" So yea taking time can actually matter and allow for people to adjust or realize things.
I was struggling in Tekken King with my main Heihachi, but after using Yoshi i got promoted to tekken emperor by relying on tricks and flowcharts💀 I think I'll switch mains lol
Ah yes. Heihachi the guy with no flowcharts or gimmicks Tbh you wouldn't be stuck TK if you played heihachi using those more. Too much waivu/electric fishing im guessing. Swear every damn person with 250k prowess pkaying on their purple/blue rank stuck characters highest is a Heihachi
@@Sicknificant1 brother yes every character has flowcharts even hehachi and kazuya. But dont even compare the cheepiness of yoshi with anyone outside of top 5. With hehahchi i struggle yes i got tekken king but yoshi was easy af. At least half the struggle i had with hehachi. With yoshi i reached 40 winstreaks by playing cheap as fuck and flowcharting.
@Teo-uw7mh lol literally every stance mix, are you kidding? Heihachi forces some of the hardest 50/50s on the game. The only reason he isnt top 5 is bc he gets punished hard when he guesses wrong. "I'll be waiting." Holy crap the ego. Also I'm tekken god on multiple characters. Shut up dude. You prob have a single Tekken King and stopped playing them. You serious? "What flowcharts does heihachi have ill be waiting." Every single character on the game has flowcharts and you ask that dumbass question
@αλεξηςπεγιαδης bro I agree but your 40 winstreak happened at what ranks? And top 5 rankings have almost nothing to do with cheese and everything to do with risk/reward. Everyone knows dragunovs mix and recognizes it but knowing it doesn't change that it is unreactable and coming at you regardless. He has the same damage potential/mix potential as someone like Heihachi for example. But the difference is that Heihachi gets megapunished when properly defended against whereas Drag not only stays safe but often keeps his turn with plus frames. Lots of characters have the same "cheese"/power potential when the mix goes there way. Top 5 is reserved for those that don't get punished as hard as others for being wrong.
Folks here screaming about Yoshimitsu to TMM. It's like going to a Brawlpro stream and complaining about King. Why watch if you know it's going to be something you don't like?
TLDR: after multiple videos of being in blue ranks forever with Yoshi, TMM gets to go from Tekken King a whole one rank up with Yoshi against more patient players that let him do Yoshi things. But again lets forget what TMMs experience is against "worse" players that constantly yolo and disrespect. Which was being stuck in blue ranks far longer than he was stuck with most the other characters he has showcased.
Man do I feel worthless I have been playing yoshi since T7 and I have been stuck at blue ranks ever since T8 came out and only recently did I get to Tekken king and then this guy does this and calling it "easy" 😢
TMM played multiple Tekken games for 20+ years (30?), he's got almost perfect fundamentals and decision making + ton of experience, so i wouldn't be so upset. But i'm in the same situation, it does feel bad + i'm raging too much, which slows my progress down.
Don't get this Yoshi slander into you Man, he still is a hard character to get good with. Requires a lot of experience, this dude plays the game for 2 or 3 decades and just loves to talk shit. Better to avoid yt and twitter posts because it's just depressing if youre character isn't total dogshit, sad fuckin times 🎉
Maybe ur fundamentals arent good enough. Improve your movement and block punishment. Then buff ur keepout game. Then u can just win like tmm defence in2 a keepout df2 eat their healthbar then one okizemi situation and their dead 🤷🏽♂️
@@UltimateBallaPOM dOiNg tRiCkS oN iT. while i do think he was exaggerating, he’s just trying to say this dude has been playing a long time and compared to most , he can rank strong characters up easier than some people who main them can.
TMM is still salty with Yoshi, old news. Why is it ok for any other char to be top tier and not getting shit for it, but when it's Yoshi - everybody's going crazy? I only heard him trashing Drag, Alisa, Jin and there was almost nothing about Nina, King, Law, Feng and ofc his favorite Kazuya and other tops.
since she was nerfed, only dedicated people play her. kinda goes to show, for the majority of players “whoever’s the strongest, least amount of work, i will use”
Tekken reddit is the worst thing that has ever happened for T8 you guys need to change perspective on the game really. All you do is goon and then hate
@@SesoKoza-ut4bd Im not a reddit person at all. I'm a heavy Tekken 5/7 enjoyer and enjoyed TMM's content and humour but this game is unbearable to watch and play as you can literally get caught in anything. The last thing I want to see is TMM playing one of the questionably broken reward characters, like his "how to counter bryan" is ok content, I want to see more humour instead of just blindly carrying on and pretending this game is a great contest.
Tbh the problem with legacy players fighting yoshimitsu is that they haven’t played against him in ages so it’s hard to just pick up and fight. Not downplaying yoshi is strong. But it’s also the consistent knowledge checks. Yoshimitsu just loses against someone who has a good defense since his neutral is pretty bad. He also doesn’t have great pressure like mishimas do. Once he loses from his gimmicks yoshi doesn’t have many options but it takes a good player to be able to know them and react. Flash is strong too for the type of game T8 is. But you can launch punish it and he is vulnerable for about 30 frames ish if it whiffs. So big tip is to bait and launch it. Again not downplaying yoshi deffo doesn’t fit the mould of T8 imo
All of this is wrong per tekken 8, yoshi has godlike mixups from helicopter, crouching, and many other stances and his transitions from those stances are great or heat engagers. His damage is insane, his oki is busted, he completely counters tekken 8 gameplay with his panic tools and NSS.
@shaghilathar3588 "godlike mixups from helicopter" Haha def hardstuck blue. He has a negative high, a slow reactable mid that only launches in heat and on counter. He has a reactable grab. A mid that is just a hit. And a low that does little damage, is launch punishable, and launches for scaled damage on counter only. But better yet... he has to get into helicopter stance first so you already failed letting him do the 3, 1. You should be ducking that high on reaction by now. Since not, yea eat the mix. His damage is literally not even on par with characters like Bryan/Paul and some others tho I agree it is higher compared to a lot of the roster. But you acting like it is unreal is just meh. His oki while strong has huge counter play. For example, his b1,1 into f1+2 setup where he can keep hitting you grounded or catch your sideroll with the unblockable, is a mix where he gets full launch punished if you counterplay it properly. And his guard break tool... hate to say this bc you haven't figured it out. Stay on the fkn ground. That ground hit is part of his combo damage. Accept it. Or get up mashing 1 or 2 and take even more. And panic moves that break T8? Talking flash right bc that is his panic move, singularly. "Omg I can't flow chart brain dead aggression/plus frames that I do to literally every other matchup on the game. I can't believe in one matchup I have to actually consider my timing instead of mashing the next thing on the list bc I'm plus 2! This character is so broken" Delay your attack by literally 2 frames, and you get a free launch... but cry ig. Btw im not even a Yoshi main. He is like my fifth character i have at Tekken King. The matchup really shouldn't be that difficult. Maybe you should play him and you will figure it out what works against him.
@ What did I expect from a brain dead yoshi main? Sorry m8 I’m TGS and don’t struggle with yoshi, only because I’ve never seen one with higher than 60 defense. I love how yoshi mains say everything is reactable as if they don’t play online or that you can react to anything under i25. A safe mid that launches in heat and CH is BROKEN from a stance with so many mixups and easy transitions. They’ll somehow BS an explanation how a 50/50 where both options launch and where 1 is safe is a bad mixup or isn’t completely brain dead. Oh yeah like he can’t just instantly go into helicopter without 3,1 or his plus 15 heat smash. “ WAAAHHH, YOSHI SUCKS, HIS DAMAGE ISNT EVEN AS GOOD AS THE HIGHEST IN THE GAME EVEN THOUGH THOSE CHARACTERS ARE BUILT AROUND HIGH DMG COMBOS “. Oh yeah baby now where getting to the good stuff, his oki is so broken it’s now just part of the combo! Man I was so stupid, I should have figured out oki shouldn’t even be a question for yoshi, every other character has to work for it while for yoshi it’s a right and after the 100 damage combo eat the guaranteed combo. Man what an underpowered and fair character. You don’t even have to think about counter playing his oki, just let him have it because you can’t do anything about it anyway. Damn you mean whatever frame advantage I have doesn’t exist, I have to constantly give up my turn just from the threat of this move even though no other move in the game remotely works like this? You mean even in the neutral his flash will just beat anything I do for free, hit me even when I’m not attacking and just moving, can’t condition him with slower moves because no move is worth trying since flash is faster anyway? Man what a balanced move, you’re right.
There's something a little pathetic about spending hours playing and ranking up with a character you despise just to try and show how busted they are in order to get them nerfed. Which, make no mistake, is exactly what TMM is doing here. The moment Yoshi gets nerfs, it will be mission accomplished for him and he'll drop him in no time.
I dont get why TMM keeps bad mouthing yoshi we saw it in this very video where people demonstrated the counterplay for yoshis options but they just made mistakes and lost
He keeps bad mouthing the character cause he’s broken, Hello ? Let me ask you a question. if two players of equal skill fight each other and they both know each others weaknesses but the one opponent is playing a much stronger character than the other who’s going to win? just think for 2 seconds please 🙏
@Flintc08 everybody is a specific character main until they can't abuse BS anymore 😂 but I'd say most devil jin mains such as myself are true mains. These yoshi mains came out of the wood works for sure. Back in the T6-TTT2 days finding a yoshi player was like finding a unicorn 😂. Now all of the a sudden his popularity just spiked liked crazy yeh right.
@@JobeLovo of corse broken implies that theres no counterplay or very little. Thats literally what broken means. I dont believe yoshi is broken. Yoshi is most busted at the wall and honestly i find that Bryan and Kaz mains destroy u more with oki damage at the wall than yoshi 🤷🏽♂️ btw nerf what?
I swear the people he encounters, its nothing like me when I play him I have to run into god of defense players, every read every punish whiffs, my god its frustrating to play with him
Anyone who calls Yoshi busted hasn't played him in top level play. Yes he has broken moves like flash and sword sweep but both are bait launch punishable on whiff so they're really risky. There is far worse characters and he should be down on tier lists IMO. TMM's beef with Yoshi goes back beyond T7. He just dislikes the character.
Yoshi players always say this but EVERY MOVE IN THE GAME IS LAUNCH PUNISHABLE ON WHIFF, even a jab. So how is it that a 6 frame mid that’s a launcher in NSS is only -15 on block. And it even catches you if you’re moving and not attacking
Tbh, I don't see any problem with tackling characters that annoy you online. In that case, I just win or lose the first match against them and then just block that yoshi, or Victor, or Alisa main. The next character is usually someone I like or who I perceive as an ok char, and everyone is happy❤.
Definitely one of the hardest characters in the game timen the flash when my opponent earned his plus frames getting them scared to press because of flash so I don’t a frame perfect unblockable very hard man
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“Nah, I’d Flash.”
@@BSJINTHEHOUSE420 As Dragunov began to expand his domain, Yoshimitsu Began to expand his after the clash of domains ended in a draw Yoshimitsu used his imaginey technique: Unblockable low.
But there were 2 things Yoshimitsu did not know, first is that Dragunov had learned how to avoid as Dragunov landed his down 2. Yoshimtsu saw an opurtnity when he was very low on health, he saw that Dragunov was going to while dashing 2 to grab expecting this move Yoshimitsu prepared to crouch and use his launcher. But Dragunov had stoped and started his crouch dash. At this moment Yoshimtsu had realized that he had just lost. And Sneak 4's mighty blow landed right on Yoshi's head and Dragunov wrote on a piece of paper to give to Yoshi: Stand Proud, Yoshi you are strong.
@@BSJINTHEHOUSE420 Sorry about the autistic reply.
Yoshimitsu seems like that very niche and difficult character to play, but he's not which is surprisingly disappointing
The difficulty comes when people stop falling for Yoshi gimmicks and running their face into flash.
he was, i remember trying him in 6 and tag 2 and it was hard for me to understand his gameplay, but now that he has easy damage and easy set ups i was able to get him to tekken king with just basic combos and basic setups using just like half of his move set
He still is reasonably difficult. His difficulty comes with using the right moves stances and cancels in the right situations, awareness which stances your in etc. But he has good keepout and ch launchers so u can get good mileage on him from his combo damage if u got fundamentals. Tmms yoshi is garbage but he has good tekken fundamentals and is good at combos
he used to be
@@FlyXcurnope just because eventually ppl will try to bait flash dosent make him difficult the fact ppl even have to bait flash when they have plus frames makes him easier Yoshi is not difficult
Flowchartsimitsu
How are all these people getting flashed constantly and they aren't flowcharting?
Them Yoshis must have some real fkn good timing to be flashing on reaction and in neutral 🤔
Edit: was being facetious. Ppl took the bait and literally went as far as giving examples of how they avtually flowchart their offense and get flashed.
@@Sicknificant1 because thats how tekken is played.
If my opponent does a move thats -4, then i will obviously jab check, or df1 check. But Thats impossible against yoshi when he just flashes and you get robbed.
So the only reliable way to beat him is by fishing with safe counter hit launchers or by being as patient as knee.
And his oki is complete bullshit. You tech roll into an unblockable and you get reset, you tech roll into f1+2 heat dash and yoshi is safe. You stay on the ground and eat f1+2 and get reset, you stay on the ground and he does the unblockable and hes safe.
Note this is at the wall, but thats one combo for yoshi due to his insane carry
@@Sicknificant1it takes 0 timing to that flash as a yoshi player. In the middle of big plus frames a yoshi can just use it. If they don’t it’s cuz they simply chose not to rob someone
Flowshimitsu
@@AmeerMaybeThis is not true, only on paper.
You think that when Yoshi is minus 4 and you jab check it's
6f flash+4=10f flash vs. 10f jab.
A draw, flash winning because it has the better hit properties.
The reality is that flash is going to whiff because the hitbox of flash won't hit your hurtbox of your character.
Test it out with many characters. In neutral and at the wall.
A wise man once said "The more frame advantage you think you have, the more flashed you will be."
I wonder how long it'll take for people to realise Yoshimitsu isn't supposed to be honest.
The guy's a thief, they put that into his gameplay. You'd think they'd notice faster.
"When in doubt, flash away"
-Hanzo Hattori
He’s not even a good yoshi either, this character is so busted 😂
Ye, he only plays the game for over 2 decades. This man ate more sweeps and flashes than you have hair on your head, so busted! 😂
Tmm's fundamentals allow him to pick up and play any charachter especially if they have good launchers and combo damage he isn't doing anything busted and you can see in the matches there's obvious counterplay
See, the thing is, TMM is running on 20 years of fundamentals. He’s like if Maximillian Dood took games more seriously
@@cliffordsmustache nah, when you can just press buttons and not suffer for it, that's when he's busted
@@skwadbossYes, but it requires minimal effort from the Yoshi player, but hours of practice/study for the defender to even have a chance (against the stuff that’s not guaranteed).
The amount of ppl refusing to call out yoshi for being busted is staggering 😂
16:13 THE REACH!? I swear it never had this reach in t7?
it didnt... thats definitely something that could be nerfed
The Yoshi downplay in the comment section is crazy
They're running their damage control flowchart.
@@RationalMinded lmao
You deserved to get a class action lawsuit for that Heihachi round robbery lol
He got him back at 6:05 tho
The ending is so funny, he’s almost disappointed with what he’s done to his opponents
Note, TMM lost 6 straight and raged quit once he reached his actual level of play. Yoshi has his 6th best ELO rating, so he’s definitely not breezing through with him lol
He keeps bringing out his Yoshi win-rate, but he constantly uses Yoshi to farm viewers in player matches and that is why the win-rate is so high, since it's not ranked only.
@@nayd5043 very clever indeed
@@nayd5043player matches do not contribute to win rate
100+ comments on one channel is nutty 😂
@@nayd5043 theres separate winrates for ranked, player match and quickmatch
Manji monkey gameplay
i like how tmm always compliments the people he fights it feels fun and wholesome
Robbery at 2:43
Robbery? I see a guy pressing buttons when he shouldn't and eating a ch launcher.
he means the 18% vs 19% timeout that gave tmm the win, in which tmm himself said "the robbery"@@hyunka2756
@firasempire5294 And I mean that there's no robbery anywhere. Instead of waiting the timer out, he mashed, got ch, and then chipped because he failed to block. He just lost the round fair and square.
Play the characters that annoy you so you can have some defensive firepower. I like it, that's why i picked up alisa. So i can properly hate her
Muh flash
Reported this TMM video for Mobbing and supporting acts of terrorism
that low parry into rage art is why u always make them watch the movie
Can we please get a anti yoshi guide
Duck 3,1.
Duck df1,2
Don't constantly mash the next move in your pressure flowchart just bc you are +1-4
His flash is launch punishable when it whiffs if you bait it.
Legit if you just block and can react to +40frame unblockables the Yoshi will really struggle.
Also if you/your character has a good sidestep he is surprisingly linear and his strings basically do not autocorrect alignment at all.
He has like 3 tracking moves in neutral which are all highs and his other tracking moves are locked behind stance.
plug on loading screen. All Yoshis will be reduced to 0
@ lmaoo!
10:18 no, you need 1 emperor and around 10-12 tekken kings for 350k prowess
In T7 Yoshi had a wall combo against the bears that guaranteed his spinning unblockable even if they decided to stay on the ground, and if they techrolled it still hit, on techroll right or left I think it gave a wallsplat. But it was difficult to get, because you needed the correct angle. I spent hours in practice mode just to get some cool tech, I found many. They removed all of these stuff from the game, just to get a character like he is now. 😢
You don't even want me to get started in the 100 setups they removed from Xiao to turn her into a Hypnotist spam character.
Tbh ever since Tekken 7 removed jump over tech it felt like they were watering down more nuanced oki options and T8 was king of it.
@nayd5043 Yeah, I don't like how they simplified characters in T8, setup characters like Yoshi and Ling should have great oki setups but terrible damage.
I like both Yoshi and Ling still, but I mainly played them in 7 as a Bryan/Kazuya main bc I liked their setups tbh.
@@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ I agree, the funny thing is that in the closed beta she still had her oki. But instead of nerfing the damage they destroyed her identity, from beta to release they removed all of her setups probably because some brainlet beta tester with 0 sense of balance gave trash feedback to the team and now we have her as she is.
@@nayd5043 The balancing team in T7 understood more how to balance character types, it wasn't perfect, but it was better, this game's balancing is straight up trash. The only thing it did better than 7 is there are no actual low tiers, all characters are decent, but that's all about it.
@@ThisIsNotSGHNTZThey made some characters simpler and less unique to make them easier to balance but the cost was not worth it ...
Huh funny, I'd encounter Lebron Frames play as Yoshi today
Id like to see you try lidia to see how you would fare... also try to understand how you would go about her gameplan and your thoughts on her after that.
I hope TMM picks up azucena at some point. Now that shes been nerfed she feels pretty fair and balanced. Not too strong and not too weak. Plus shes loads of fun to play
Sorry, Mr. Mainman is not a coomer.
@@kizarugaming4829the only coomer Azucena mains are the ones with bikini outfit
Yoshi is S+ tier and This is first main who is S+.
A lot of salty yoshis in the comments lol
Yoshi should be on the other end of roaster. On one end is Heihachi hard to play and bad with small tekken, but Big dmg. Yoshi should be the one with Good tools, Oki, poking, flash BUT LOW DMG! How the hell he has so much dmg with all those tools?!
Let's get Yoshi crazy
The amount of salty Yoshi players in these comments. You guys are even bigger whiners than Hwoarang and xiaoyu Mains. It’s impressive! Keep it up 🤘
Kazuya ranked stream when?
Since when are Xiaoyu players whiners tbh. Most people I see agree that she is strong just not disgusting like Nina, Drag etc
The guy talking about hitting Bushin and getting god ranks on secondaries is true because I also get Tekken kings/emperors on seconds all the time, have also gotten a god Shaheen player a Raijin Feng. Damn near uninstalled cause I’m only kishin lmao.
Schizophrenic69 really left a scar on TMM lmao
Stop mentioning that kid
Why? Mad? @@lastbreath777
can someone tell Mainman, that flash always punishes spring kick, even on hit, not only on block.
YOSHI lets Goooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR SUPPOSE TO DESTROY THEM NOT JOIN THEM!!!!!!!!
TMM can you add input viewer to overlay?
That’s only available in training mode
Once a kunimitsu main. I’m probably gonna try yoshi again. Haven’t played him since two months after T8 dropped
Put it on TH-cam buddy
Yoshi mains incoming
You do not infact on my alt account I was grinding king did not reach tekken king and i fought a GOD somehow
Play xiaoyu
Cringe
@cahweh skill issue
Sorry, Mr. Mainman is not a coomer.
Damn the positivity lasted 3 days this time around. Back to poisoning the community!
Cry more the character does too much damage. It’s ok you al will be fine. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to not play the character. Y’all so sensitive it’s so bizarre how yall whine like your character is like this mystical hard character to play. Stop whining in the comments and just get carried. Like wtf??
Mainman: Yoshi is busted
COMMUNITY POISONED OHHH NOO NONOON NONO OHH NOO CANCER SPREAD AROUND ENTIRE GLOBE
@@kizarugaming4829 TMM: WAAA BADUSH EASY CHARACTER EASY RANK YOU PLAY KAZUYA YOU DESERVE 5 MORE RANKS CHEESY BULLSHIT BUAAAH CHEESE THIS CHEESE THAT
Normal people enjoying the game: idk man things have counterplay and nuance, there's strong characters but counterplay exists and cheese is not that good once you sit down and learn
TMM drones: Haha so brianded characters! Nernf nerf nerf youre character so brianded XD learn from us masku chads maksu! I perfect electricoed u mum last night snowflake 😂 deal with it 😎
@@Flintc08 "mystical hard character to play" is exactly the situation surrounding TMM's narrative around Kazuya/Brian/Heihachi. I'm stealing that. You can keep the rest of your comment.
@@hyunka2756 I play Steve and idk about all the yap on how hes such a honest and hardworking hard reads 0 flowchart character.
Power crush into heat engager with a million damage mini combo that unlike high ones is safe vs jabs?
Check.
Safe moves including a safeish CH launcher with b1 flicker cancel?
Check.
Bilions of stances and moves with endless cancels into one another for knowledge checking?
Check.
Guard break move knowledge check and easy access pressure?
Check.
Evasive moves with PAB backswing blow and OVA HERE Kenpo for annoying?
Check.
Lots of throws including one that gives combo at the corner and on heat to delete people with bad throw breaks?
Check.
Idk he seems to have a lot of things people use as excuse to call characters mashy and braindead and yet he's the hardest in the game cause he has no standard launcher and "plays around CH"(something that even "braindead"chars do...), easy execution without shiro combo as well, weird.
TMM playing against 240k-260k Tekken prowess while having +420k prowess and +20ty years of maining Tekken.
You are literally playing against intermediate players which are hard below high level tekken players.
You are so tilted against so many characters and just want to frame them as no skill. "Look guys I am Tekken Emperor, see how ez it is?!"
With your background it's interesting to see that you are to this day a whiner.
While other people cry about heihachi stage, tekken shop and dragunov. You cry about 50 % of the tekken cast. Maybe it's Time to change your L mindset. If Yoshi is this op, he'll get nerfed, professionals will play him in tournaments, the casuals will play him or at least try him out, too.
Let Time decide how broken and op he really is without your constant downplaying of characters and players.
Some in the community would appreciate it.
Im afraid that “time” doesnt take away the bad things in a game. A game could be out for YEARS and still keep in some obvious crazy and broken things. I can agree with you on some points, but overall its not like what he is doing is crazy or out of the ordinary and with the prowess thing im not really understanding where that is coming from. And as fair as the players playing some characters he doesnt like, he still acknowledges when someone does something well on that character. I dont think he is straight calling ppl no skill for who theyre playing but addressing some of the issues
He does also acknowledge some crazy things with kazuya as well so i dont think he is being completely bias but i can agree he can complain a bit but lets not all act like we haven’t
preach brother... exactly this
Exactly, but it’s profitable…. And you see how quickly his minions rush to defend him 😂
you are missing the point.
Time does actually reveal things. Many had no idea how strong Feng was for a long time on T7 until the tech was all discovered and then he started making strong appearances in tournaments. Some characters are obviously busted from the start but sometimes on a complicated fighting game it takes a while for people to find all the tech.
And the bad things TMM and yoahi whiners (I'm not even a yoshi main) complain about are soooo counterable and say nothing about his many obvious weaknesses that yall will never know about.
So yea... let's see him consistently in top 8 or dominating God of destruction ranks at least at some point before people start calling for things they literally do not understand.
Many pros think DVJ was nerfed way too hard in T8. Dude is a bottom tier character and always has been, even when T8 first came out. He was only S tier when he was in heat. And his heat move tbh... that was a bunch of first month players complaining about it. Many high level players now would agree "yea we just sucked bc it was a new game and new thing, he could probably have some of that stuff back and it wouldn't be a big deal"
So yea taking time can actually matter and allow for people to adjust or realize things.
for the sword sweep, i think bryan can tech roll and immediately do a ws3. it will counterhit yoshi's samurai cutter
if done correctly, u dont have time to even a ws4
I was struggling in Tekken King with my main Heihachi, but after using Yoshi i got promoted to tekken emperor by relying on tricks and flowcharts💀
I think I'll switch mains lol
Ah yes. Heihachi the guy with no flowcharts or gimmicks
Tbh you wouldn't be stuck TK if you played heihachi using those more. Too much waivu/electric fishing im guessing.
Swear every damn person with 250k prowess pkaying on their purple/blue rank stuck characters highest is a Heihachi
@@Sicknificant1what flowchart does heihachi have? go on ill be waiting. Peak blue player brain man i cant with this community
@@Sicknificant1 brother yes every character has flowcharts even hehachi and kazuya. But dont even compare the cheepiness of yoshi with anyone outside of top 5. With hehahchi i struggle yes i got tekken king but yoshi was easy af. At least half the struggle i had with hehachi. With yoshi i reached 40 winstreaks by playing cheap as fuck and flowcharting.
@Teo-uw7mh lol literally every stance mix, are you kidding?
Heihachi forces some of the hardest 50/50s on the game. The only reason he isnt top 5 is bc he gets punished hard when he guesses wrong.
"I'll be waiting." Holy crap the ego.
Also I'm tekken god on multiple characters. Shut up dude. You prob have a single Tekken King and stopped playing them. You serious?
"What flowcharts does heihachi have ill be waiting." Every single character on the game has flowcharts and you ask that dumbass question
@αλεξηςπεγιαδης bro I agree but your 40 winstreak happened at what ranks?
And top 5 rankings have almost nothing to do with cheese and everything to do with risk/reward. Everyone knows dragunovs mix and recognizes it but knowing it doesn't change that it is unreactable and coming at you regardless. He has the same damage potential/mix potential as someone like Heihachi for example. But the difference is that Heihachi gets megapunished when properly defended against whereas Drag not only stays safe but often keeps his turn with plus frames. Lots of characters have the same "cheese"/power potential when the mix goes there way. Top 5 is reserved for those that don't get punished as hard as others for being wrong.
Folks here screaming about Yoshimitsu to TMM. It's like going to a Brawlpro stream and complaining about King. Why watch if you know it's going to be something you don't like?
4 minutes ago is arousing
TLDR: after multiple videos of being in blue ranks forever with Yoshi, TMM gets to go from Tekken King a whole one rank up with Yoshi against more patient players that let him do Yoshi things.
But again lets forget what TMMs experience is against "worse" players that constantly yolo and disrespect. Which was being stuck in blue ranks far longer than he was stuck with most the other characters he has showcased.
Man do I feel worthless
I have been playing yoshi since T7 and I have been stuck at blue ranks ever since T8 came out and only recently did I get to Tekken king and then this guy does this and calling it "easy" 😢
TMM played multiple Tekken games for 20+ years (30?), he's got almost perfect fundamentals and decision making + ton of experience, so i wouldn't be so upset.
But i'm in the same situation, it does feel bad + i'm raging too much, which slows my progress down.
Don't get this Yoshi slander into you Man, he still is a hard character to get good with. Requires a lot of experience, this dude plays the game for 2 or 3 decades and just loves to talk shit. Better to avoid yt and twitter posts because it's just depressing if youre character isn't total dogshit, sad fuckin times 🎉
@@TheSubsistance
Doing tricks on it.
Not even majority of tournament players fit that description you typed.
Maybe ur fundamentals arent good enough. Improve your movement and block punishment. Then buff ur keepout game. Then u can just win like tmm defence in2 a keepout df2 eat their healthbar then one okizemi situation and their dead 🤷🏽♂️
@@UltimateBallaPOM dOiNg tRiCkS oN iT. while i do think he was exaggerating, he’s just trying to say this dude has been playing a long time and compared to most , he can rank strong characters up easier than some people who main them can.
TMM is still salty with Yoshi, old news.
Why is it ok for any other char to be top tier and not getting shit for it, but when it's Yoshi - everybody's going crazy?
I only heard him trashing Drag, Alisa, Jin and there was almost nothing about Nina, King, Law, Feng and ofc his favorite Kazuya and other tops.
Totally!! For once he is nice an people lose their minds.
bro literally every single top tier character gets humongous amounts of shit. king, jin, nina, dragunov... literally all of them
He's said nina law and Feng all need nerfs
wym he was trash talking feng until he got nerfed
yoshi cuck sighted
50 seconds ago is actually stunning work out of me
Can you play azucena I swear I can’t find a single person who plays her
since she was nerfed, only dedicated people play her. kinda goes to show, for the majority of players “whoever’s the strongest, least amount of work, i will use”
bilal kaka does
@@trey.b.17 spot on.
I suggest Kaizur. He streams playing Azucena a lot.
@@ktooley bilal kaka
I can't help but downvote TMM nowadays. This game is trash and all I want him to do is trash on it but he keeps playing it...
This comment is wild but here take my upvote 😂
This isnt reddit. “Downvote”
Tekken reddit is the worst thing that has ever happened for T8 you guys need to change perspective on the game really. All you do is goon and then hate
@@SesoKoza-ut4bd Im not a reddit person at all.
I'm a heavy Tekken 5/7 enjoyer and enjoyed TMM's content and humour but this game is unbearable to watch and play as you can literally get caught in anything.
The last thing I want to see is TMM playing one of the questionably broken reward characters, like his "how to counter bryan" is ok content, I want to see more humour instead of just blindly carrying on and pretending this game is a great contest.
sounds like a loser to me.
Tbh the problem with legacy players fighting yoshimitsu is that they haven’t played against him in ages so it’s hard to just pick up and fight.
Not downplaying yoshi is strong. But it’s also the consistent knowledge checks.
Yoshimitsu just loses against someone who has a good defense since his neutral is pretty bad. He also doesn’t have great pressure like mishimas do. Once he loses from his gimmicks yoshi doesn’t have many options but it takes a good player to be able to know them and react.
Flash is strong too for the type of game T8 is. But you can launch punish it and he is vulnerable for about 30 frames ish if it whiffs. So big tip is to bait and launch it. Again not downplaying yoshi deffo doesn’t fit the mould of T8 imo
Bruh doesnt matter how many times you say you aren't downplaying him, mentioning any weakness he has will summon the hordes.
All of this is wrong per tekken 8, yoshi has godlike mixups from helicopter, crouching, and many other stances and his transitions from those stances are great or heat engagers. His damage is insane, his oki is busted, he completely counters tekken 8 gameplay with his panic tools and NSS.
@shaghilathar3588 "godlike mixups from helicopter"
Haha def hardstuck blue.
He has a negative high, a slow reactable mid that only launches in heat and on counter. He has a reactable grab. A mid that is just a hit. And a low that does little damage, is launch punishable, and launches for scaled damage on counter only.
But better yet... he has to get into helicopter stance first so you already failed letting him do the 3, 1. You should be ducking that high on reaction by now. Since not, yea eat the mix.
His damage is literally not even on par with characters like Bryan/Paul and some others tho I agree it is higher compared to a lot of the roster. But you acting like it is unreal is just meh.
His oki while strong has huge counter play. For example, his b1,1 into f1+2 setup where he can keep hitting you grounded or catch your sideroll with the unblockable, is a mix where he gets full launch punished if you counterplay it properly. And his guard break tool... hate to say this bc you haven't figured it out. Stay on the fkn ground. That ground hit is part of his combo damage. Accept it. Or get up mashing 1 or 2 and take even more.
And panic moves that break T8? Talking flash right bc that is his panic move, singularly. "Omg I can't flow chart brain dead aggression/plus frames that I do to literally every other matchup on the game. I can't believe in one matchup I have to actually consider my timing instead of mashing the next thing on the list bc I'm plus 2! This character is so broken"
Delay your attack by literally 2 frames, and you get a free launch... but cry ig.
Btw im not even a Yoshi main. He is like my fifth character i have at Tekken King.
The matchup really shouldn't be that difficult. Maybe you should play him and you will figure it out what works against him.
@ What did I expect from a brain dead yoshi main? Sorry m8 I’m TGS and don’t struggle with yoshi, only because I’ve never seen one with higher than 60 defense.
I love how yoshi mains say everything is reactable as if they don’t play online or that you can react to anything under i25. A safe mid that launches in heat and CH is BROKEN from a stance with so many mixups and easy transitions. They’ll somehow BS an explanation how a 50/50 where both options launch and where 1 is safe is a bad mixup or isn’t completely brain dead.
Oh yeah like he can’t just instantly go into helicopter without 3,1 or his plus 15 heat smash.
“ WAAAHHH, YOSHI SUCKS, HIS DAMAGE ISNT EVEN AS GOOD AS THE HIGHEST IN THE GAME EVEN THOUGH THOSE CHARACTERS ARE BUILT AROUND HIGH DMG COMBOS “.
Oh yeah baby now where getting to the good stuff, his oki is so broken it’s now just part of the combo! Man I was so stupid, I should have figured out oki shouldn’t even be a question for yoshi, every other character has to work for it while for yoshi it’s a right and after the 100 damage combo eat the guaranteed combo. Man what an underpowered and fair character. You don’t even have to think about counter playing his oki, just let him have it because you can’t do anything about it anyway.
Damn you mean whatever frame advantage I have doesn’t exist, I have to constantly give up my turn just from the threat of this move even though no other move in the game remotely works like this? You mean even in the neutral his flash will just beat anything I do for free, hit me even when I’m not attacking and just moving, can’t condition him with slower moves because no move is worth trying since flash is faster anyway? Man what a balanced move, you’re right.
@@Sicknificant1 I wrote a reply but TH-cam deleted it, it was too long so I’m not gonna try again
There's something a little pathetic about spending hours playing and ranking up with a character you despise just to try and show how busted they are in order to get them nerfed. Which, make no mistake, is exactly what TMM is doing here. The moment Yoshi gets nerfs, it will be mission accomplished for him and he'll drop him in no time.
I don't see the problem, Yoshi is busted and this is what he does for a living and is passionate about it.
thats the whole point? this shit shouldn't be in the game
Except he sucks with the character and is struggling to prove that point lol
Yoshi main spotted.
To be fair he moaned about Yoshi all the way back in TT2 as well. I remember he rage quit a solo Yoshi player (who happened to be Kaneandtrench!)
I dont get why TMM keeps bad mouthing yoshi we saw it in this very video where people demonstrated the counterplay for yoshis options but they just made mistakes and lost
Just because there is counter play dosent make it not broken Yoshi is broken and not that hard he needs nerfs
He keeps bad mouthing the character cause he’s broken, Hello ? Let me ask you a question.
if two players of equal skill fight each other and they both know each others weaknesses but the one opponent is playing a much stronger character than the other who’s going to win?
just think for 2 seconds please 🙏
Just don’t switch mains when he’s nerfed since ur a Yoshi main 😂 Your character is broken it’s gonna be ok
@Flintc08 everybody is a specific character main until they can't abuse BS anymore 😂 but I'd say most devil jin mains such as myself are true mains. These yoshi mains came out of the wood works for sure. Back in the T6-TTT2 days finding a yoshi player was like finding a unicorn 😂. Now all of the a sudden his popularity just spiked liked crazy yeh right.
@@JobeLovo of corse broken implies that theres no counterplay or very little. Thats literally what broken means. I dont believe yoshi is broken. Yoshi is most busted at the wall and honestly i find that Bryan and Kaz mains destroy u more with oki damage at the wall than yoshi 🤷🏽♂️ btw nerf what?
buh
Bullshitmitsu
😂😂😂
🫠💯
I swear the people he encounters, its nothing like me when I play him I have to run into god of defense players, every read every punish whiffs, my god its frustrating to play with him
u suck, loser yoshi
Propaganda.
Yoshi is too boring right now. I'd love to see you play some Lee or Reina or anyone else honestly
Anyone who calls Yoshi busted hasn't played him in top level play. Yes he has broken moves like flash and sword sweep but both are bait launch punishable on whiff so they're really risky. There is far worse characters and he should be down on tier lists IMO.
TMM's beef with Yoshi goes back beyond T7. He just dislikes the character.
Yoshi players always say this but EVERY MOVE IN THE GAME IS LAUNCH PUNISHABLE ON WHIFF, even a jab. So how is it that a 6 frame mid that’s a launcher in NSS is only -15 on block. And it even catches you if you’re moving and not attacking
yeah sure.
Hwoarang string-spam counter play at its finest. NGL tho T8 looks like arcady trash. Haven't tried it yet.
Tbh, I don't see any problem with tackling characters that annoy you online. In that case, I just win or lose the first match against them and then just block that yoshi, or Victor, or Alisa main. The next character is usually someone I like or who I perceive as an ok char, and everyone is happy❤.
Definitely one of the hardest characters in the game timen the flash when my opponent earned his plus frames getting them scared to press because of flash so I don’t a frame perfect unblockable very hard man