Electric Trucks Suck at Towing - But Does the 2024 Chevy Silverado EV Change the Game?
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Anyone else think the new Silverado looks like a new avalanche?
I nicknamed it the EVerado when I first saw it last January. 😀
Yes, but that's ok IMO, the AV is a good looking truck.
Not only does it look like the avalanche, it also has the midgate. Missed opportunity to bring back the avalanche IMO.
A really big honda Ridgeline 😅
Yes. Yes it does. And I’m here for it. 😁😁
Not sure if the original Avalanche had a bad reputation but it was literally my dream truck for a number of years as a teen.
They should have called it the Avalanche EV.
They have to call it the Silverado because of EPA regulations dictating each MODEL LINE must make 22+ MPG. So all Silverados overall must have 22+ MPG. This is the same reason the Mustang and F150 brands got ruined. Big Government is ruining cars
The Suburban would be a perfect name if not already being used.
EValanche
I worked on the project and the EPA had nothing to do with it. It was a Silverado from the get go. That was the whole idea! The look has more to do with aerodynamics and weight savings than anything. The revival of the mid gate has been a much requested feature for years and the unibody made it possible.
Shares nothing with the Silverado.
Looks like an Avalanche and has the features of an Avalanche.
Conclusion: It should be called an Avalanche.
$80K (!!!) Sticker Price, and a Work Truck, do not belong together.
The Unibody on Frame No Pipes. Always great hanging out with you guys
I think it's better to have no pipes than having fake pipes & fake exhaust sounds, anyways 😅
StraightWires.. StraightBatteries... something like that for an EV channel
I am of Scottish decent and I certainly wouldn't purchase a pick up truck without the soundtrack of twin Borla bagpipes it is music to my ears!
The Land Rover LR3 was a unibody on frame.
"TheStraightPipeless"
Yeah, I commented the same thing on your channel. Big whoop, wanna fight about it? 😁
"Everything that you need and nothing that you don't.. " ~ Roman 2023
For this amount of money, it better have ALL of the Bells 'n Whistles. Not just few of them. .
Nowadays is: "You Pay more for Less!" and you are going to like it...
You do know that off the shelf just the battery pack of that size would cost 50-60k? Oh wait you don’t.
@@kylinblue Please! The Hummer EV's battery pack is around $20K. These two vehicles are practically twins of one another..
@@kylinblue I thought the whole point of the Ultium platform was to decrease EV costs by making everything modular?
@@Hiluxtaco lol. no. they're like 40k.
So essentially, If you don’t shell out 80k minimum for the big battery, it renders the truck unable to tow
It can still tow but it won't have the range the big battery does. So for Fleets that drive less than 200 miles a day the smaller battery still makes sense.
@@chettmanly7451yeah and one unexpected trip and you are screwed, you are clearly not a contractor… all these people always “good enough for contractors” lol
It is absolutely correct if you think this is practical , for 90% contractors??? you're in a different world! Here is a senero hey Jim " jump in your truck and run to X city and grab a new whatever: and get back here 100 plus miles each direction let alone the extra miles to do the job in the town your in , OH wait I can't I will have to stop a couple hrs to charge. Then, on top of that, if you need to haul a load back from the 100-mile trip. one way . A large heat pump. Sluge pumps . Etc. Etc. Not practical!
@@MADDOG100ful On average companies drive about 75 Miles a day so this truck will work. Vast majority of companies don't drive more than 200 miles from their facilities. A truck with 450 Miles range and at worst case 225 miles range towing is still within those marks. Also it isn't going to take hours to charge the vehicle... You are going to stop at 10-20% and charge to 80% on the trip back and going to be taking no more than 30 minutes.
@@Nebula1701 The tractor was low drag compared to a box trailer though !!
$80k for a “work truck” LMAO
Those will probably be the new boss mans trucks. That never does any work.
my boss shows up late to take all the credit & then leaves early to the golf course everyday lol ....& this is construction
So true, i work in a mine and all the pickup trucks are f350s but the mine superintendent has a f150 lightning
@@damonster5000 damnit that's hilarious 🤣
You should see all the Ford F150 Lightnings I see in the Vancouver and Calgary, Canada area cities I work and travel in! So many contractors and company bosses are buying the PLATINUM TRIM LEVEL to get all the 9.6 KW on-board Pro-Power, speed, handling and quiet interior luxuries of the F150 Lightning while saving money on gas!
If you make $75,000 CDN ($56,000 USD) per year, you can afford this truck even at $1600 CDN ($1200 USD) per month for the monthly finance payments! At year end tax time with the business expense write-off and federal/provincial rebates targeted for this truck, it means you're only paying $1050 CDN ($790 USD) net per month which is DEFINITELY a contractor and business friendly expense for a luxury truck!
And 10,000 lbs of towing ability even if only for 90 miles (150 km) on full-EV mode is not bad at all for most city and suburban worksite ennvironments!
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Trucks probably need to concentrate more on hybrids before making the move to full electric. I like the direction Ford is going with the Power boost. It needs a bigger battery, more powerful electric motor, and plug in capability though.
An HD gas hybrid would compete with a diesel HD
They can't make as much money off the hybrids because of the extra MPG. This is the number one reason we don't see more of them.
Diesel hybrid I've been saying it for years
@@jflowers090 that would be good.
But margins won't be as high.
Roman "with my dirty clothes and not feel like I'm ruining my expensive truck..". It's almost 80K with zero bells and whistles. It's the epitome of an expensive truck!
I've never even sat in an $80k truck
A great example of electrification being pushed (by the automakers not the govt) to the most popular/profitable segments rather than the ones it makes most sense to electrify first. GM should be building an EV Express van before this, because so many van use cases involve starting from the shop/yard/warehouse, going over a fixed multi-stop route with lots of opportunites for regen and idling to cut, and then going back to that base where overnight charging can happen.
On the personal-vehicle side it means keeping the Bolt in production as long as its' selling!
Even a minor collision will total these trucks. Any battery damage will render the vehicle unrepairable. These EVs will be so heavy they will be a major danger in a collision. Insurance premiums will be through the roof and expense to purchase will be very high.
You will need to be in a Volvo or Subaru to be maybe lucky to survive a hit in one of these
@@lilpeppa117G what? why a volvo and a subaru
@rock-uu7qr volvo is one of the safest car's out there. I have no idea about Subaru.
The avalanche styling is just not for me and the price O hell no.
FINALLY someone with a normal taste in truck design. It seems this entire Silverado ev fan base loved the avalanche or owned one. HOW? Just how?
I always hated the Avalanche, especially the first couple generations with acres of ugly plastic body cladding. A truly useless Tahoe with the back cut off.
Manufacturers and the government are pushing these EV's but our infrastructure is not there for travel and the prices are absolutely ridiculous. Let's continue to keep gas prices high, and push EV's most can't afford and still not practical for many applications.
I think every time the only person in the small town I live in that owns a Tesla plugs his car in to charge is what keeps causing the power outages in town LOL.
Trucks in general are expensive gas or ev. I just paid 82 grand for a Raptor ouch... my last raptor was a 2013 (i still have) was 50 grand
@@atg1338 Agreed! Enjoy those Raptors!
@@wildbill23c that's funny..
Right, manufacturers and our government. How many people understand that around 80% of our elected officials get some type of kickback from the manufacturers in the automotive industry?
Something to think about.
the battery is prob 60% of the cost of the truck
For sure
So why do gas trucks cost the same🤔
The pack in this is about $30,000.
@@Josh-179 so basically you don't know
It better go far towing at over $70k starting price
@@bassnbrass9272prolly gonna get barely 100 miles of range
Great video gents like always. I find it disappointing that you don't voice to the manufacturer that not sticking to the 40K original advertised price is not ok. We don't all have a TH-cam income to buy/test trucks like yourselves. It is not ok that Ford has the Pro version at 59K when it was originally 39K! If GM wants more customers, doing what Ford is doing with the "affordable" truck is not the way!
Isn’t this the job of the marketplace? And you just did! 😉
They won’t because if they push back on the manufacturers, they won’t get invited to events or given trucks to review. They have to shill to keep their access.
It's the total pack size that doomed those low prices. Even at these prices no other ev sold has as large a pack as the trucks do.
In a couple year's of ira funds dropping cell costs&economies of scale finally happening for U.S. sourced cells. The costs will come down a LOT.
To be fair, the 39k starting price is for the non fleet work truck coming out summer next year. We don’t know what it’s starting price will be. (Doubt it will be 40k though). They have said this since the announcement January last year.
@@TFLtruckwhat if you wanna get inside the car with the key in your pocket, but dont want nothing to turn on in the car? That's why ignition key/push start buttons are better this is flawed concept in general there might he a way to do it, but it's still flawed.
That was towing with little wind resistance trailer and no hills. Can’t wait to see you guys do a true Colorado tow with a family camper.
It wouldn't matter much based on my towing with an ev in the mountains so long as regen is set high and gain is low. It's wind resistance that absolutely kills my range.
You also have to remember that on road trips you’re only gonna be using 70% of your battery between charging stops. Most people only charge to 80% to get the fast charging curve and don’t let the battery go below 10%.
Yup.
120-140 miles.
Stop and waste an hour charging
I can go about 200 miles in my Dodge 3500 V10 pulling 12,000 lbs.
With 1/4 tank left
@@philipunderwood477dnt forget its cheaper towing with electric truck
@@philipunderwood477Well you don't need to charge for an hour if you're doing as the OP suggested. You'd only ever need to charge for an hour if you're using the entire battery. So you could go say 120 miles and charge for 15 minutes or so, instead of going 200ish miles and charging for an hour. Still a pain, especially as most charging locations are not set up to accommodate vehicles that are towing, but not as bad as you suggest.
Nope. You charge to 70%-80% when you don't need the range. If it's for a road trip, EVERYONE who has an EV will always charge to 100% at the start of the trip. Why ? Pretty simple : you cover the most of the distance in the first leg of the trip then you stop charging and you do it to about 80%. In this case, with 1 mi/kWh you drive the first leg about 190 miles (you get to the charger with about 5-8% SOC) and you charge to 80% and move to the next charger that's about 150-160 miles away. And then you repeat.
Unless people pee in bottles while driving, every 2.5-3 hours you make a stop of about 25-30 minutes (not sure yet about the time to charge to 80% this truck) and then go back to driving.
One thing is sure : it will take longer to do the trip, but you'll be a lot more rested after driving 500-600 miles in a day. I doubt anyone tows anything more than 600 miles in a day. And I doubt you drive 80 mph towing something either.
@@voldar70I agreed with everything you said except the towing at 80mph part lol that's really common on the interstate.
You guys had me smiling at the end, thanks guys.
A good video that’s being straight forward about how much distance u really can get on a EV truck
As tommy showed with the model 3... there is no savings from high speed charging--a similar gasoline fueled car would have cost roughly the same to cover that mileage--i can't imagine a pickup truck is going to do any better in terms of "fueling" costs.
As a work vehicle it makes lots of sense if you're going out to a jobsite and then returning to the shop/yard where it can be charged overnight. There are way more van than pickup applications that are like that, though.
True. The savings you will see from an EV will be the charging done at your house. For instance my wife has put 2500 miles on her model 3 in roughly 2.5 months. So far we’ve charged it 943 kWh which has cost us 108$. If I took my Honda civic that gets 30mpg and in that 2500 miles we would of used 83 gallons of gas and at 3.50$ gallon that would have cost 291$.
@@GreenMountain565you seem to forget the other added expense when it comes to EV. more insurance costs, upgrading your electric system in the house, registering cost more. And don’t forget that the electric costs are skyrocketing and they’re going to start charging you by the mile.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk I didn’t forget them I just didn’t factor them in as these costs will vary wildly from person to person. My registration on my truck is more expensive then my model 3 was and they both had the same MSRP. I was able to install my wall charger my self , did not need to upgrade the panel. I realize upfront most people will see extra costs associated when switching over to a EV. My off peak rates from my electric provider have been pretty much the same these past 3 years. Initially I was very skeptical about this whole EV thing( I’m still not sold on it especially with trucks and towing) but after driving this Model 3 I can tell you this EV thing is coming wether we like it or not. And honestly for just driving it as a commuter vehicle it’s hands down better than any other small car I’ve ever owned.
@@GreenMountain565 yeah? In my area they charge you an additional 200 a year with registration. Insurance is double to triple of a regular car not including the skyrocketing electricity. On top of considering to charge EV owners per mile. To install a level 2 charger is 3 grand. I guarantee you didn’t do that yourself. To install a fast charger is the very minimum 20 grand. Not including replacing the battery that will cost more than 20 grand in 8 years. Try again!
As always get review, I appreciate what you guy's do. Bring us all the info we need to make a better decision on our next buy, so keep bringing all the great reviews. 👍🏻👍🏻for TFL.
"what comes after mega?" Giga. Gigacab.
6:10 -- the trailer physical brakes are also blended in with the regen (6.5 in your example). Kyle's video had the towing engineer and it was a great conversation.
Thanks guys, great video.
Good video. Good content with good news about an EV. Thank you.
Great tow Mr. Truck jr keep up the amazing work cant wait for the HEAVY DUTY CDL IKE's!
This is a best case controlled environment. If they tested same weight in a higher profile profile trailer (travel trailer) at interstate speeds, these numbers would likely be way lower. Cool technology but long range towing with an EV is not here yet.
Also, living in the southern US I’m sure running the a/c will pull those numbers down more.
Some videos with the lightning and Rivian show around 0.6 mi per kilowatt hour towing an RV type trailer weighing around 7000 lbs.
There is an interesting video of a Rivian up against the Tacoma pulling the same size little two-person trailer the same day at the same time. In the same conditions. The Tacoma had over 2.5 times more miles of available range. Gas and go unlimited range really, charge for an hour or two and go what 50 60 70 mi. To then charge again.
The Tesla semi truck exists.
@@JahyMoonwalker The Tesla semi trucks do exist along with many other electric trucks around the world. They're talking about an electric pickup truck, not a semi. And that Tesla semi uses around 2 kW of power per mile. It has a 1 megawatt + battery pack to get the job done. It uses more electricity to drive 500 mi than the national average home in the United States uses the entire month. In 1 hour of charging that electric semi, it used the same power as 800 homes throughout the country during that hour of charge.
This is why an actual phev truck would sell very well if someone can figure it out... All the benefits of commuting with an ev without the range anxiety when towing.
We have been off-grid for years and we have 7500 miles on our 22 F150 Lighting charged entirely on solar. We decided to sell only due to winter which makes summer trip destinations impossible. Lighting is the same when connecting a trailer it cuts it in 1/2 but I mostly just go by the calm screen for range. Here's the other problems heat is 5.1kw while AC is 3.2kw. The use greatly impacts range and if you go for a 2 there and back trip hour trip towing 2000lbs we have to use it sparingly to the point of being uncomfortable. The other option is to use it and drive a 60 miles out of the way to charge to get back.
@20:18 Andre: "My Chevy Colorado has the same payload."
But does it have cruise control?
They’re both Chevrolets so it doesn’t matter, it will be broken in 6 months.
The larger battery means you spend more time at the charging station.
And money. And battery replacement cost. And probably more taxes when they figure out a way to tax you. And battery recycle cost, that's coming. And more insurance. And a bigger fire when that happens. And more trips back to the dealer with more issues with all the gadgets.
This whole thing is a sad situation. Because of corporate greed and pure stupidity all EVs at this point are obsolete before they leave the assembly line.
This is one of the biggest reasons people I know aren't buying the current round of EVs, they are waiting for the next round of tech.
Take it up to 70 mph and tell me what the amperage draw is. Then we'll see.
Floor it a couple times too.
Based on 200 miles of range towing at 70 mph, I calculated 186 amps.
@@eduardoforneck3335 65 amps per hour?
Not an electric truck fan, however like the look of this one.
Yes, it's not over the top. It looks the business.
100 kw*hr battery in the Tesla weighs 1400 pounds. Scaling linearly that would put the 212 kw*hr battery in the Sliverado EV at 2968 pounds. And that's ignoring the fact that a truck battery may be more conservatively designed (thicker insulators between plates, thicker cables, thicker current collectors, more internal cooling passages) to cope with higher average power output from being in a larger, heavier vehicle. 8500 pounds for a truck that can only do the work of a 1/2-ton is ridiculous. No wonder GM pulled the plug on the entry level, low-cost version with the smaller battery.
Any accident sites where one of these has crashed will become a toxic waste site.
Never mind the range estimate from the video. 1.0 mile/kw*hr was just how low it got on their short test drive with the trailer. The gauge started at 1.8 mi/kw*hr and lost 44% of its value during the drive. If they had driven longer, it would have gone lower. This was a softball photo-op to introduce the truck, all the while keeping the speed at 45 mph or below. Put a full-size travel trailer with 102 sq ft of frontal area behind the truck and tow it at 70 mph. Then you will be real-world testing.
Anyone else like playing, "Spot the Avalanche" when on road trips and driving through small towns? It's as fun as playing, "Spot the excursion" when driving through farm territory.
Expeditions I think took over the Excursion spot LOL. Around me its Expeditions, Tahoes, and Yukons, that you see a lot of. Nothing wrong with any of them, but its funny how about 20 years ago you saw Excursions a lot, and Suburbans....now its their smaller counterparts for the most part....occasionally I pass a new Suburban but dang they're expensive, they look good, but not the price tag LOL.
I mean so the going rate at most fast chargers is what 40-50 cents? 1 KWH while towing means its going to cost you about $100 to recharge the battery to go a whole 200 miles? I dont think they solved the issue. They might be able to go a little further on a charge but its still not feasible. I also assume the range per mile will drop to even less when at highway speeds with a travel trailer or anything a little less aerodynamic since that tractor wasn't to bad over the height of the truck unlike a lot of RVs or enclosed trailers. You can easily get 10mpg out of a ecoboost or hemi pulling that tractor no problem which means you can go further and cheaper on ICE models still.
That’s about what I regularly tow with my 9 year old 2.2 diesel automatic six speed[and soon a new bi-turbo 2.0 diesel ten speed]. These are rated to 7700lbs in Europe, apart from the weedy Raptor. I get about 18mpgUK, 15US mpg with 30UK on a long run unladen and not towing. I already know that my new 2.0 does an easy 5mpgUK better when cruising and it will be interesting to see how it does towing.
I wonder what the equivalent energy cost would be to that electric truck using UK price of around 55pence/kW/h. I bet there wouldn’t be much difference between it and the diesel with diesel at £1.40/litre here.
I go 400 miles today in my RAM Cummins with 400hp and 880 torque then refill in 5 minutes and do it again. And again. And again. for years. After 100k miles I can get a very good price for the truck on the used market. EVs are wearing out their batteries from day one and have no proven value on the used vehicle market.
Well said.
Exactly, 5 years later you trade it in and they give you 5k for it and the newer EV will have gone up another 15-20k, making it even more ridiculously expensive !
Why would you need a new one at 5 years/100k miles? Must not be a good truck if they can't go 2-3 times that.
I think one day they’ll be just fine. Its all new technology and it has taken massive leaps in the last few years. It will eventually be incredible. But not yet.
$5000? A diesel with 300 thousand miles on it will get more than that.
Question.....If this is considered a unibody vehicle, and not like a traditional body on frame....is it safe to use any of the weight distribution hitches without risk of damage to the unibody structure?
Don't worry gm won't tell us
It's nice there's a bigger battery and more range between charge points, but that means longer charge times. And the fast chargers are sporadic at best. At home 6kw charger from empty will take days. 212kwh / 6kwh gives you the hours to charge
I just don't like the slanted portion between the bed and the cab. It automatically limits aftermarket options for bed canopies or slide-in campers
I’m assuming theoretically you could add a cap and can rack for additional charging?
The real test will be towing at highway speed over the Colorado Passes. This is flat at slower speeds. Again, EV excels at local commuting, and stop and go traffic. Being the WT, this isn’t likely going to be going cross country much. Since this will be a fleet truck, a company will have to set up the infrastructure to charge all these things. Adoption is going to be low on this one, unless your company is flush with expendable cash.
Awesome video because you two are hilarious!
I'd like to see what happens to the range when you start towing in the stop and go of the city or surburbs. Could a landscaper make his daily rounds on a charge?
That's where electric actually excels is in a city environment. Totally opposite of a ICE truck.
Stop and go means more regenerative braking. With a lot of stop and go when empty the Silverado will probably go over 500 miles.
Probably. Landscapers run mostly in-town at low speeds, and regenerative braking helps range in stop-and-go driving.
Looking forward to the Ike!!!
Can feel the Michigan humidity through my computer screen. Great video guys.
What is wrong with these manufacturers. These are not full size trucks anymore. They are super sized expensive bro dozers... EV trucks are just good for getting groceries unless you don't want to get very far when towing and can sit and wait to charge it...
Look around. Most drivers of pickups really don't need them. Some of us do, like hauling the 5er or gooseneck, but most I see on the road haul no more than a 5 x 10 landscape trailer twice a year. Lol. Manufacturers are answering to those people.
@@Itsa_Mea Exactly. For those who need to tow a lot then a full size or larger makes sense. I bought a Ford Maverick hybrid last year. It's all the truck I need. I don't tow, I don't go off roading but I have moved a house with that little truck over the past few months. From dinning sets, beds, refrigerators, lawn mowers, dressers to full size couches all while getting over 40mpg and still fitting my family of 4. I paid 25k out the door for that truck.
@@scupking the maverick could've been a brilliant ev imo, with about an 85-90kwh pack it could prob have done 300+ miles real world.
And Ford could ask 40-50k with us built batteries qualifying it for the full tax credit.
Would sell like crazy imo. Especially to fleets&small businesses like landscaping, pest control, utilities, parts couriers etc.
@@4literv6 I'm sure there will be an EV version at some point. Ford can't build enough of them as it is. I ordered mine in July of 21 and didn't get it until August of 22. The 23s sold out in one week. The order banks for the 24s will be opening up in a few weeks and will probably again sell out in a week or so.
@@scupking not saying much though when a 120+year old company can't even ramp an in demand product up to fulfill orders for it. 🙂
You keep trying to put lipstick on this pig. Electric commercial towing will never happen. I can go 650 miles in a Ram 2500 w a 30 gal aux tank in the bed hauling 10k, and fill up in 5 mins when I get there. 3-4 times the range, esp when cold ( more like 6 times the range ) and can get back on the road 3000% sooner. The EV scam will have been long exposed before the tech is even close to on par with ICE towing.
Amen.
I have 2006 and 2007 Dodge Cummins (pre-emissions) diesel trucks.
Regularly haul a 30ft deckover @ 6,000 lbs.
Loaded nearly 15-16k trailer.
About 14-15 mpg when empty.
8-12 loaded, depending on weight and air resistance.
50 gallon transfer tanks.
Full up in 5 minutes or so.
500-1200 mile range.
Real world.
600,000 miles on the 2 trucks.
@TFL let's do some long range reviews
The charging port out back is near identical to my GMT400s fuel cap location.
Imagine an increase of electric vehicles and they all need to be charged. They would need square miles of stations to account for all of the parked cars charging up at the same time.
Very good point though the charging technology is getting exponentially better every year which will allow people to spend less time at these charging stations. The Ram Rev technology will already be able to charge 110 miles in 10 minutes (and EV trucks have just recently come out in the last few years).
Imagine everybody charging at their homes every night and only having to use public charging on road trips.
Most charging is done at home. Personally, I only drive over 300 miles without going home like 2 or 3 times a year when I go on vacation so I would only need to use a super charger 2 or 3 times a year. Also the range continues to get better and the amount of chargers are growing rapidly.
@@seanstevenson200 where do you get this info at? Nothing has changed, battery tech is the same all they do is split the cells and allow charginging separate and it still takes hours to charge to 100% . No one currently fills to 80% or 90% we want a full tank and that's hours not minutes . Evs are for geeks and nerds not the common man.
@@mr.tomatohead5648 "Most charging is done at home" is the most ignorant argument ever. It only works because a small amount of the population have electric cars right now. Extrapolate that out to people that live in apartment complexes, traveling on the road staying at hotels, street park in places like NYC etc, have many people and many cars in one home and then it becomes a real problem. I am convinced that people that have electric cars don't live in the real world. I live in an ideal a situation as you can get for an electric car, subdivision with a big 3 car garage and I have 5 cars so charging all if they were electric would be a pain. Plus I have a lot of stuff in my garage and if I wanted to do work in my garage and the cars had to be charged I would have big cables in my way and chargers taking up wall space. I watch my neighbor having to juggle his EQS and Models S Plaid to charge and it just looks like a pain.
I have a reservation for a rst. And I am hoping for GM to soften the seats a bit. Price and seat comfort are what I am waiting to hear.
The john deere 9640 rx fully weighted up weighs around 67,000 lbs so its a little bit heavier than the 4 series
These heavier EVs are going to go through tires faster and tires aren't cheap. But hey it's for the environment... tires are super good for the environment.
The amount of mining to make all these batteries will be unreal as well. I wonder how quick we will run out of those resources.
Don’t forget the added brake dust from stopping these heavy beasts.
So if it’s regenerative down a mountain does that get the brakes hot?
One thing that would have been nice about the Silverado EV is if it looks exactly like or very close to the regular Silverado 1500. Ford did that with their F150 Lightning. I wish this truck would be branded as maybe an Avalanche. To me it just looks similar to an Avalanche, the truck being unibody, the sides of the bed.
Is it fair to assume that the higher the gain on the trailer brake the lower the regen on the truck? Obviously if the trailer brake is taking more load, less will go into the truck's brakes/regen system itself.
Anyone who was surprised by the range being lowered by a large percentage, when towing. Imagine how electric motors sound when they run. The funny thing is that your gas engine has the same exact sound.
First, you are driving on flat ground and you dig into the throttle. You hear what I am saying.
Second, you are now driving down hill, and now, dig into your throttle. Do you hear how the tone is lighter and less stressed. Almost as if it doesn’t have the pressure being built up, or under any pressure overall.
Third, let’s go uphill, and now let’s get moving. Do you hear that. The tone is lower and more deeper, while the frequency is a little slower, and more pronounced.
The finale, let’s go to the mountains. When you get around a corner, and you have a little stretch. Mash the gas pedal into the floor, and let off, and hurry and do the same thing again but with the brake pedal. You about died. I don’t know if those couple little trees, would have prevented you from doing a Thelma and Louse. That was close, be careful. But did you hear the frequency dropped noticeably, and the low grunt tone that was being produced.
Now, go back and repeat all four except for this time throw the family luggage along with your family, and the pets. Don’t forget to bring plenty of food for them, and certainly don’t forget their treats. Did you bring them a few toys, what about a towel or two. They just might need a quick bath. You forgot the cooler, now you got to go back and get the cooler, and stop by the store and fill with ice sandwich items, drinks, and grab a couple drinks for the kids that they don’t get too many of. It’s vacation, and if you don’t brake early and hard enough. It will be their last, and also everyone else in your car.
Do you hear how much lower in tone your engine sounds, and for much more of the time, than previous. That mountain, you had to dig in to keep moving.
See, or shall I say hear.
Now, grab a power drill, remote control vehicle, anything that has an electric motor. For the power drill, as example. Drive a screw into something, that is already drilled. Hear the sound.
Now grab a new sharp bit, and a thick plate of hardened steel. You don’t need armor plating. Goo, hold up you don’t get any lube while you are driving that new bit through that thick piece of steel. Nope, you are going in dry. Make sure you tighten your chuck, don’t want any slipping. Do you hear the sound, not of the bit crying out for even a drop of lube, but listen to the sound of the drill. That is the sound of power.
Feel the drill, and feel the battery. They are hot stuff. See how much more battery life was used.
Go in any industrial setting. Listen to the song of the machinery. Better yet. Look up videos of high current, or high power electric motors starting. That is stationary motors, and a mobile in a ev is certainly not stationary. They are mobile. Maybe a two speed transmission, or a three speed, might help, but it is still going to have to get moving off the line, and that will require power.
Unibody on frame , we used to sort of have some cars like that in australia back in the 70`s , funnily enough they where gm models too , or as we called then holdens :).
It seems the vehicle pay load and range is always going to be a compromise with EV pick ups , theres just no getting around the fact that those batteries weigh a frigging heap , when you consider your fuel for an ice vehicle is actually lighter than water , and even ice engines these days are relatively light with all the alloy used in modern day units .
Unlike the oldies , i can remember as young bloke ( vaguely ) pulling the V8 engine out of a studebaker with a mate , we sat the engine down on its sump on wet grass in the back yard , and we where going to drag the big bugger across out the road , no way baby , they where all cast iron behemoths , that donk wasnt going anywhere , we couldnt move it :) , so it sat there until we dismantled it :) .
Back to the Ute .... sorry truck/pick up , i like it , no fluff , no gimmicks , vinyl ? floor covering , thumbs up .
Maybe the way out for pick ups is a focused hybrid , much smaller battery , decent fuel consumption ?
It will be interesting to see the chev with comparable box trailer test , i suspect the tractor may have been giving the chev an easier time of it wind resistance wise .
Cheers .
So mileage cut by more than 50% towing. How long would it take to recharge this 200+kwh battery.
Land Rover claimed the same for the DiscoveryIII when launched. It turns out that it does have a full chassis and for any major maintenance the body needs to be lifted off the frame.
What kind of major maintenance would require the body and frame to be separated on a Discovery 3? I can’t think of any, having worked on these myself. I’ve never heard of that.
@@tylermacconnell217 Google and TH-cam are your friends.
Great video Gentlemen!
Let me rest these two tablets on the dash aaaaaaannnndd done
Prices are over the top.
what do we do with the trailer when we pull in to recharge sta
You don’t. Nobody is gonna use these as real trucks. These are novelty toys for people who want attention.
I'm an ICE guy through and through. I own a 2022 GMC 1500 AT4 6.2l. Love it... BUT to be fair, its got a smallish gas tank and if I latched onto 8k lb. load I wouldn't expect much more than 8-10 mpg. Essentially, the miles covered between fuel stops would be the same between gas and electric. And if you could recharge the Chevy EV at a fast charge station, you'd probably not be too far behind one of my typical food/fuel stops at a Buc-cees! The biggest issue I'm seeing is cost to buy. IMHO my AT4 was too bloody expensive but this EV Chevy similarly equipped would be ridiculous!
My Mazda3 turbo AWD on a 750 mile road trip with a 12.7 gallon fuel tank had a range of about 400miles. Granted, that's not hyper mile-ing, but I was also in an economy car going+/- 5mph of the speed limit the entire way. 450 miles of range in a pickup should be more than plenty
Very cool now tow something that is 8k pounds
@@Tool0GT92 Can't. Mazda3 isn't tow rated. But that Chevy should be able to no problem. And then whenever it isn't it'll have as much or more range in normal driving conditions than an economy car
Very interesting to see such a large battery pack on this truck. I wonder how much it shares with the hummer Ev with the build architecture
Shares a heck of a lot
Silly question to ask,r u able to drive away without the key if the person with the key is standing outside
Dudes! This is an overblown issue!
During a 500 mile drive through Montana today and yesterday, my kid and I performed a non scientific survey in the midst of Yellow stone travel mania!
87% of the pickup trucks towing big rigs were 3/4 ton or bigger.
13% we’re 1/2 ton or smaller.
People that tow with 1/2 ton trucks are doing it locally.
I think the first brand that hits the market with an all electric midsized truck that has decent range performance will sell a lot.
Some may say that is the rivian
Except most of the mid sizers are also heavy ass tanks at 5K lbs empty. And they got less room for the massive amount of Li-on batteries. Here is your 7K lb mid size truck that gets 150 mile range lol. Lets face it, Li-on batteries have been around for car applications since 2000. They are environmentally not friendly, lithium is a rare element and expensive to mine (dirty) and a very heavy element. All the compromises it had in the year 2000 are still with us today. In some applications like cell phones and cars it may be useful. But in heavy body on frame trucks its just stupid. This fade will be short lived I assure you. Mining Li-on is completely stupid. They should invest more in Hydrogen fuel cells as this technology has obviously hit a wall if they resort to putting massive 3K lb batteries. That's just pure insanity. The oems keep packaging this as new tech. Its not. Its been in one form or another for over 20 years. No major breakthroughs. Just heavier more massive batteries that are VERY expensive.
@@dmegahan Rivian most likely will be out of business soon as well as many other oems. None of them make any money. Tesla barely is breaking even. GM/Ford are losing billions on the tech. Smaller outfits like Rivian don't have a chance. Don't be a dope and invest in any of these smaller EV companies. Don't think Rivian will be able to raise capital like they did in the past. At some point investors want to see a return. Rivian burn rate on its cash is insane. IN 2022 they lost 6.8 billion. Everything they are doing is not sustainable. Don't buy one as parts will likely dry up when they are gone.
😂😂😂😂😂 they couldn’t even sell more than 2 hummers last quarter. Ford is barely selling the lighting and mustang Mach e 🤦♂️
Not sure if the could have made the interior look any cheaper. When you let the back seat fall back down it sounded like it was going to break off.
It’s a GM, did you really expect quality?
Guys next time your in Michigan try and get a chance to shoot west to the Holland or Grand Haven area and check out the gorgeous beaches and dunes.
GM was not wrong (for once) as far charging. You can actually get 366kw on a 350kw charger. And it stays above 200kw past 70% SoC. And people are getting around 230 to 250 miles of real highway towing. Of course, locally (meaning lower speed roads) you get 350 plus miles easily.
That shift lever on the column should be on all Silverado's.
Keep your eyes on the road buddy lmfao. No need to keep looking back we can hear you perfectly fine. It only takes a split second for someone around you to mess up and if you don’t see it soon enough you may not have the time to react. Safety first homie. You guys do good work. We’d hate for something to happen to you guys. Much love. Keep on Truck’n.
Unobtainium? We'll see if RAM 1500 REV and Cybertruck are as hard and expensive to get as are these other EV trucks. Maybe Rivian R1T is most available EV truck in the real world so far, do you think?
I'd say the Lightning is kinda obtainable with how many people have backed out of their pre-orders.
@@samgford right? Apparently you can order a lightning for delivery in just 60-90 days.
And rivian held an in person sales event recently with r1t available right there to buy off the lot.
I think is this macro environment the prices went up to much, especially for most of the trims with msrps which can't get a tax credit anymore.
And due to interest rates it's approaching nearly 2k for a top trim truck note unless it's stretched out for 72-84 month's. 🤔
Lots of used Rivians for sale from 70-100k. I guess people were not too happy with them.
If it were less expensive and able to have a full bed, that range with towing would take care of almost all of my daily work-towing needs with the ability to charge at home overnight...and so, could make a good work truck.
I am from New Zealand. I am very impressed with the beautiful countryside with lots of trees in Greenfields. Can someone tell me what state and district this is. It is very beautiful. ???
Any one here had a iphone that for the first year was great at maintaining a charge and then you had to buy a extra battery charge case? what do you think the charge case is gonna cost you for a truck?
So, how far did you go and how much battery did you have left? Or did I miss something?
For a while, Chevrolet and GMC trucks were falling behind. Oddly enough, they still outsold ram and ford with combined sales but having owned fords for the last ten years, and having the latest tech, I always noticed Ram interiors were far beyond ford, and chev was far behind them both. Now owning two work trucks, both Chevrolet, I actually am blown away with their quality, feel, and looks of their interior and exterior. They have drastically improved their quality. I am so pleased with my 22 3/4 ton and my 23 half ton. One major problem still is the the 2500hd seats. They need to be addressed like 10 years ago… honestly like sitting on an old park bench, not pleasant for long drives or using as your office
Marketing will always try to sell something new or different, but it certainly sounds just like it has a unibody design. Nothing wrong with that other than people’s preconceived notions on how that impacts its appeal as a pickup.
Say You are Over-landing With This Truck What size Generator would You lug Along For Charging
Only overlanding these trucks are gonna do is when the owner runs over the landscaped island in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.
When I’m done with my day Andre, I do not go sit in the backseat. I’m sure you know that but that’s exactly what you said. As a matter of fact, I have never sat in the backseat of my truck because I own it and I drive it
I really enjoy my new 2500 Silverado with the 6.6 Duramax. It can go about 600 miles on a tank of diesel and it only takes 5 minutes to fill it up. I’ll hold out on an electric truck for about the next 20 years. Maybe at 70 years old I’ll be ready for one!
So how many days does it take charge this truck in your garage?
3-5 business days.
Which SUV did they use for the underpinnings? It’s built like a Honda Ridgeline. A unibody platform. The Rivian is built similar, but GM is hiding the fact it’s really a unibody. They can say it’s not, but that does not make it true.
We'll see how much the cyber truck costs in the end. If I'm spending that much money on a truck with roughly the same range, I'm buying the one with the better charging network. The only real con is that the cyber truck looks like an industrial dumpster fire.
The Land Rover LR3 is sort of a unibody on frame as well!
So it's an extended wheelbase suburban with the roof chopped. It will be more stable on the road vs the suburban.
How much is a battery to replace on that?
I read that it is close to $20K on the similar Hummer EV. So, maybe a little less than that.
You don't replace the battery. You simply throw it away and get a new truck. At least that's what the manufacturer's is hoping for.
Covered in every state except Cali for 8yrs and 100,000 miles, Cali requires 10yrs and 120,000 miles of pack coverage from the oem.
After 2025 Congress is requring all us ev oems to provide the 10yr 120k pack warranty. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 that good information for people to have, it could make a big difference in people's decisions. 👍🏻
@@scottyellis3442 thanks, I wish more people even discussing evs we're aware of this simple FACT. 👍🏻
Especially as the majority of new vehicle's are only kept for just over 3 years with the original purchaser.
I'd like to see the aftermarket step up on offering extended pack warranties. Apparently tesla does now offer extended coverage you can purchase right in the app, but only so far for the og owner and only prior to the original warranty expiring. 🤔
For that much does it have a ball messager??
that's actually pretty tight compared to the F150 Lightning in the back there...
BUT MOST IMPORTANT:
This truck is a danger to other drivers and its passenger as configured - removing the start button all together is a HUGE mistake. It's almost like GM forgot about the Toyota sudden acceleration issue...I am shocked nobody is mentioning this!!!!!
I wonder if you could get better range towing with a full size SUV? just thinking the SUV’s square rear end could provide better airflow.
Like the R1S or the Hummer SUV.
Prices are just insane. What market is this for? Average people will never be able to afford this. How are they going to get these out the door?
😳That truck is huge. It’s as long as a limousine