Can The New 2024 Jeep Wrangler Tow? The Answers Is NOT Unexpected As I Find Out Towing An Airstream!
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4800 pound camper may be a good way to see if it can actually tow at the advertised 5000 pounds, but for newbies looking at towing a camper with a Jeep you should mention that you could not tow this camper in a real life scenario. Put a couple passengers in there with you and all your camping supplies in the camper and you’ll be quite a bit over your limit.
Agreed that combined with sway/ wind this thing doesn’t stand a chance.
All depends on the specific setup. Keep under the tow limit, payload and RAWR and you’ll be fine legally speaking.
@@ALMX5DP well in his example of towing a 4,800lb camper, he'll be way over the payload capacity.
@@XploreAz what is the tongue weight of the trailer and the payload of the Wrangler?
@@ALMX5DPtongue weight is usually 10%, so 400lbs, payload on these are around 1400lbs, but can be as low as 900. This model would be their higher payload I would imagine but I can’t find actual specs listed for this exact model.
Anyone that has a new unlimited and an airstream has baller money. Or a huge monthly payment 😆
A more likely situation is someone rents the airstream. But they do financing like homes, 30 years is an option
Both.
Exactly 💯 💯 💯
They killed the unlimited name in 2022, it's now just a wrangler 4 door
Big baller
We tow the same Airstream (Caravel 19cb) with our Gladiator Sport w/max tow package. It's a perfect combination.
In-coil airbags can eliminate the squat almost completely, while also improving articulation offroad if a T-fitting is used to join the left and right sides.
Upgraded/Adjustable shocks can improve the handling too.
I have a hard time buying that the switch to the FF axle was the deciding factor. It's a welcome addition, especially to those looking to run 35-37" tires, but the Gladiator has used basically the same semi-floater as the JL, while being issued twice the tow capacity. I think the difference comes from
1. More cooling. The grille slots look like those on the Gladiator; and
2. Hitch upgraded to to a Class III, allowing a WDH. The JL previously had a 2" Class II hitch.
You guys need to get Mr. Truck doing towing tests along I 76! I76 between e470 and Julesburg is a beast with crosswinds, LONG climbs, and a ton of semi slipstreams throwing you around during passing. Just got back from Lake Macconaughy, Nebraska and the drive is grueling with a 32 foot camper.
just did the I- 15 from so caif -Vegas to Yellowstone lots of strong winds and semis with 3 trailers tow a 25' airstream. know that semi passing wind stream did some old US highways
We had a 2015 JK Sport with the V6 and we towed a 1860 pound (dry) trailer with it. It was awful! It did okay around Denver but trying to pull up I70 near the tunnel the transmission would overheat and it would refuse to downshift. We’d end up at 20 mph being passed by the semis. I know there’s a new transmission since then but if you’re planning to tow at Colorado altitudes I’d never do it in a Wrangler again. We bought a pickup to tow the trailer and a 2 door Wrangler Rubicon for play!!
Brake controller is an option part/accessory. Its been available, but mostly sold to Gladiator owners until now.
i tried to tow 4000 lb witha gladiator through wyoming -- i was lucky to maintain 60mph, and the thing was constantly shifting. the pentastar just. cant. tow.
@@dennisl6198 wy is likely a wind problem.
Just because the Jeep can tow 5,000# doesn't mean that it's smart to tow 5,000#. That's dumb as dirt.
Some of us would like to see more of these kinds of towing tests. Not everyone has or wants or needs a pick-up, some of us spend most of our time in a midsized suv and want to tow something once in a while
Honestly a Honda Pilot feels much better while towing on the highway than a Jeep Wrangler but obviously doesnt have the off-road capability. Bottom line is that if you intend to tow a trailer thats well below the max tow rating of the Jeep you are good. Once you start creeping up to 3500 lb or more then your towing experience will be much worse.
@Kenneth_R yeah, but my point is they would do well showing what it's like for non towing specialized vehicles. Like a pilot. And there have been improvements to the wrangler to make it more capable for towing. But there are a lot of family vehicles that tow 5000 to 6000lbs, it would be nice to see how they evaluate that
Yup. I don't want a crazy-long Gladiator, or any other pickup. I want a trail-capable 4dr SUV, with a covered family area that can include the dog...or be used to haul a dualsport or 2 if the rear seat is folded/removed.
This hitch and full-floating rear D44, with enough capacity for a 5000lb tow rating, would also allow using a hitch carrier to haul a big dualsport outside, even like a 400lb DR650. 'No trailer required, if you have passengers and/or cargo inside.
Jeep just needs to go back to using tailgates now, instead of the stupid soccer-mom swingates. Then one could actually use the back of their Jeep as an extendable cargo bed, like the CJs could be used. Versatility is why I bought my first Jeep. Hell, they could even use one of those fancy tailgates that can open both ways.
At least the Unlimited Rubicon can handle the 3600lb family boat now. I hope Jeep expands the Max Tow pkg to other trim levels soon, like the Sport S. I don't need or want the Rubicon's 4:1 tcase, the fancy anti-sway bar disconnect, nor the OEM lockers. Aftermarket choices can be better and more affordable for that stuff.
Jeeps have been towing for almost a century now. Even my 4cyl YJ was rated to tow 1000lb, and it did it without issue.
Squat is a non-issue for an Unlimited owner with any ingenuity. Just add in-coil airbags and maybe adjustable shocks.
Hell, I've also towed with a Civic, an SX4, a Crosstrek, and an Accord.
Stay within capacity.
I don't need a 72" LCD flatscreen on my dash, BTW.
Good luck to anyone with a Jeep and that new Uconnect5. We had it in a 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited trim. We traded that Grand Cherokee back in after only 6 months. What a big PITA that Uconnect5 is. JD Powers just lowered their ratings for the Ram due to that Uconnect5.
I trust it to haul my mower, a bike trailer, or a pop-up.
I would have really liked to see how the little engine did on a few hills. Not so much it if the the tail was wagging the dog. Don't want any trailer sway but I think it would be miserable towing that weight up and down hills with the 3.6.
I’m sure there are reviews of the Gladiator w/ 3.6 towing. Definitely isn’t a hotrod but probably okay if you’re not in a hurry.
The engine is almost never the limiting factor in towing.
@@Clanc54R true, though OEMs love to market just that aspect in order to boost sales and I think people have become accustomed to feeling they need the power in order to be able to tow. Pretty good brain washing if that is really the case.
I follow an overlander who fried the transmission with the 392. More power isn't always better. I think it was less than 30,000 miles.
The heavier Gladiator tows over 7600lb with the same 3.6L.
Who tries to drag-race while towing at damn near max capacity?
Going downhill? Many U.S. states require trailer brakes for towing over 2000lb. Surge brakes suffice.
how about the towing capacity of the 4XE? I've read the 392 is still stuck at 3500lbs (not sure why with 475lbft torque??)...?
I was forced to use a jeep gladiator as a tow vehicle to bring my 20 foot enclosed cargo trailer home from Georgia. The absolute worst drive of my life that V6 is completely without power that little putt putt that Roman did does not replicate the open highways from Georgia to California.
Good morning, I texted TFL before about towing fold down style holiday trailers starting with tent trailers and up to the 30ish retractable hard side trailer's. I was watching Monroe ev site and there is a company that is introducing a retractable hard side trailer that ev Axel's And uses these ev Axel's to break and even help push the tow vehicle when needed. These types of trailer's could be the answer to EV trailering. Please test the retractable trailers to compare milage and towability
I owned many pickup trucks without fully floating axles...and they towed way more. How is it changing the wheel bearings increases towing capacity that much?
I wish you would teach me how to expertly use a trailer brake mechanism on any truck that has it. Does everyone need a CDL now?
What length is the Air Stream Caravel? Thank you.
are the seats any more comfortable ... or are they the same as they have been, hard and not comfortable .
It be cool if you could put an integrated camera on the back of the trailer. You know I think I'm past the Bronco being the new wizbang offroader. I think I like the Wrangler better now.
did it ever get to 8th gear ? ,I have a small 5x10 enclosed v nose trailer and my Jeep will not .
Why does it still squat with a weight distribution hitch? Shouldn't it be level?
I don't think Wrangler has the cooling to handle the additional tow capacity but maybe for short distances. I wouldn't feel comfortable towing much with the Wrangler long distance.I would also be interested to see what the brake temps would be after steep grade.
I can’t tell you from personal experience, i hooked my 8x16 tandem utility trailer to my wife’s gladiator for fun….with 4 quads on it just to see ( even though I knew from videos what to expect).. what a big Turd it was almost pegged just going up slight inclines constantly. I’ll stick with my 24 2500 LTZ. Jeeps are Fiat POS
Sand Hollow is in Hurricane, it's altitude is roughly 3000'-3300' .
Crazy that something so powerful had mid towing specs, the cherokee with the v6 towed more. But obviously with the offroad capability it was a trade off.
My V6 JKU was sluggish and not responsive. It's counter intuitive but my 2L 4 cylinder turbo JLU is snappier and more responsive. When I had the JKU V6, I installed a pedal commander and made some other mods but it's felt anemic and slow in comparison to the 4 cylinder turbo.
With that said, I'd prefer seeing how the 4xe hybrid or 2L 4 cylinder turbo JLUs perform with towing. I just can't see going back to the V6 and wouldn't want the MPH hit or the environmental hit or the sticker price that I'd have to accept with a Wrangler JLU 392. The 4xe hybrid or 2L 4 cylinder turbo JLUs, in my experience are just better all around for everyday use.
In Australia our JL 4 door 3.6 auto regardless of spec, can legally tow 5500lbs. (2500kgs) Funny it’s different.
Btw it’s not only power that limits capacity but also the ESC and brakes play a part too. Steve 🇦🇺
@@Adam_Rosenberg91Also steeper longer grades in USA.
We need your help - there seems to be a lot of us Grand Cherokee 4Xe and Wrangler 4Xe owners with leaking transmissions. Someone needs to ask Jeep some hard questions about what is going on.... We love our new Jeeps we hate the transmission leaks that are taking them out of service for days / weeks.
Please do a gauntlet comparison between the 2.0t and v6!!!
I wonder when/if Jeep will have the Twin Turbo Hurricane engine available in the Jeep?
Not bad that works out great knowing that you can tow up to 5000 pounds that gives you a safety buffer even though I don’t tow 5000 pounds. The 2 L turbo and a V6 also a Hybrid.
buy more tow truck than you need ,all so one need's to look at hitch wt that is payload along with the wife kids dogs bikes etc how long is the trailer ?how wide ?
@1:29 bad angle should be level chains not X you could of gone out on 7 to hi way 9 towards I-15 for some hills and freeway speeds
That's so interesting - in Australia, all the Unlimited models are rated for a braked towing capacity of 2,495 kgs (about 5,500 pounds). I wonder if Aussie Wranglers are built differently.
Theyre no, UK ones are also rated higher. It depends on regulations of a country; for example in the UK to tow just about anything you have to take drivers course.
So of course, the most expensive Rubicon Jeep, "Beefed up" with additional packages as well a weight distribution/sway bar system and we're good? Not just ANY Jeep right?
Through 2023 the brake controller is not a factory option, though the Mopar controller integrates easily. Not sure if 2024 comes with the brake controller.
The brake controller kit is roughly $325 plus installation as long as the wrangler has the tow package. Without the tow package an additional wiring harness is needed.
Personally I would get the 2.0 turbo, does much better at altitude.
Ask me how I know.
I have a 2022 JLUR 2.0 turbo. I’ve added the brake controller. I have a 2300lb RPod, so I’m way under the 3500 limit for my Jeep.
I bought a Mopar brake controller for my 2019 JLU it doesn’t work completely. It does work with the number dial, but the push in button function causes a error code. I was told I can install a Ram 1500 diode so it reads the controller properly.
I did a lot of research prior to purchasing my controller. There are half a dozen similar brake controllers, got to verify from multiple sources your purchasing the proper part. Sounds like your gain is not properly matched to your vehicle.
Strange in Australia out 4 door JL Rubicon was always rated to 2500kg or 5500 pounds. I wonder why the US rating is much lower?
Does the tow connection setup meet today's highway safety standards? The chains appeared to go straight forward from trailer to vehicle. When I went through safe boating with the Coast Guard Auxillary we were taught the importance of crossing the chains properly. If the item being towed disconnected from the vehicle the criss-crossed chains would stop the trailer tongue from digging into the road surface and pole vaulting over your vehicle. Re there new rules for towing?
Driver error. There’s plenty of chain to be crossed.
Would you consider doing a TowTest series? Like, I had no idea about towing I am just a poor millennial so I don't like have experience with that much towing, I towed with a 2018 F-150 so far but interested to see what improvements more expensive models and newer models bring you.
TFL already does this.
Congrats to the product people for no-nonsense common sense! Great job!
Roman, does the Gladiator really solve the towing limitation the Wrangler has? The only other engine option on the Gladiator is the 3.0 diesel, but it’s not really going to solve 0-60 time problem..
i tried towing with the gladiator. the engine just doesnt have the power.
I was wondering this same thing. The engines are the same, how would a gladiator solve this problem?
Of course it doesn't have much squat It's got to weigh distributor on it !!! Please....Please leave the towing to someone who knows what they're doing like Andre !
I sold my 2015 Wrangler Sport because towing was dismal at best. Now I may need to get a 2024 Rubi for my little 3500 pound trailer!
Integrating the antenna into the windshield seems pretty brilliant... until you remember that Wrangler windshields get replaced every year, and that's optimistic. I wonder how much more these windshields cost. Good news is almost no one uses AM/FM anymore, so you can probably just do without it.
Some manufacturers are already doing away with AM radio completely
The antenna in the windshield isn't a good idea because as much as those windshields crack we will be paying more for the windshields
What’s the total gvm, gcm
Looks like my dog taking a squat
Roman ... Will the manual Jeep tow the same amount after Stelantis figures out what is wrong with the clutch ? your channel has been awful quiet on this issue .
The gladiator is a heavier vehicle with the same engine and power output!!! Why do you think it would be quicker than 18 seconds to 60mph?
I like that it can tow a trailer now better then before nice luxurious interior design the Ford Bronco a little cheap interior design jeep is nice a 7'1 TH-camr drives a Ford Bronco as he fits in it very well
Just picked up a 2024 Rubicon. Mine did not come with a brake controller. But man oh man am I LOVING my Rubicon. 😊
Must be rich to afford that
@@billricheter5678Nah. Rubicons can be had for under $50K. Just don't get a bunch of optional crap.
@@RKmndo I wish they weren’t so expensive here in colorado. They always load stuff on them
I just picked one up as well. I am very much happy with my very first Jeep.
Nice to have a full floater in the rear. Still a short wheelbase vehicle though. I would go for this Rubicon in red. Can't find red around here.
XJ and KJ were rated up to 5000lb with similar wheelbase. WK has been rated over 7000lb. J8 was rated for around 9000lb.
@@RKmndo Yep. My 89 XJ Laredo is rated to tow 5K. That's with a dana 35 in the back and 170-ish HP from the Renix 4.0. IMHO that is not a realistic tow rating if done long term. Not enough HP, not enough brakes, and not enough cooling capacity. Just my opinion.
This thing needs the new 3.0L twin turbo hurricane in-line 6 like YESTERDAY!!! I don’t know how many times I have to say it Stellantis continues to miss the mark
Totall agree! The v8 and the hybrid, both with 470lb of torque still only tow 3500 lbs!
Stupid is as stupid does!!
It would be nice, but maybe Stellantis figures a slow roll out is safer. Its a new engine it probably has some bugs to work out.
Dodge & Ram will get the 3.0L first, starting next year. Who knows when they will trickle down to Wrangler & Gladiator? :shrug:
@@jeffk464 Jeep, like Ram will be bankrupt in 3 to 4 years.
@@icare7151 Why, I see Wranglers and Rams everywhere. What I never see is Chryslers. Jeep should just get rid of their dumpy models, just sell the Wrangler/Gladiator and the Grand Cherokee.
It would be awesome with the Hurricane twin turbo. When is Jeep going to dump the 3.6 and drop in the hurricane?
They need to put that rear Dana 44 in the Gladiator too
Heard at 10:17 - "Does it with applog"?? What is he saying there?
most rvers believe in the 20 percent rule Weight of trailer add 20 % and that should be the weight that tow vehicle will handle
Maybe less squat if the hitch was at the proper height. The Airstream is clearly to high up front.
In the Ram 1500, upgrade from the v6 to the 5.7 v8 is approximately $2500.00. Im sure that would be a very popular option in these Jeeps. Theres no need to jump all the way up to the 6.4 with its extreme cost.
Exactly what I needed to see
The engine really isn't the problem in these jeeps for towing capacity and payload. The V6 in the Ram tows in the 7k range and in the grand cherokee its in the 6k range....... sure its not the best engine for towing but its not whats making towing campers like this unsafe in a wrangler.
So if I put a Dyna 44 on my 2018 JL I can still tow the same thing?
Yes, but not legally.
My 20 year old Cherokee kj 2.8 crd automatic can tow according to Jeep 5000 pounds.
I would expect newer Jeeps could tow a lot more.
St George is about 2800ft above sea level. I really like the new full floating axles. The new brake controller gives the Jeep the one thing that it was missing for me to buy it. I hope the gladiator has the controller built in too!
My understanding is that the previous Wrangler JL with tow package has the wiring already for the brake controller. Just need to buy one and plug it in..
Sorry, but I find it extremely irresponsible and misleading that auto manufacturers set up max towing demonstrations such as this. 4800 pounds on a 5000 pound max tow rating is ridiculous. You don’t want to be towing that close to max, let alone in a Jeep. Not to mention the additional weight of batteries, water, camping gear, people, etc. One of these days someone is going to copy a manufactures setup and get killed.
St. George Utah Elevation 2,697 miles above sea level
It's really no different than putting 10,000 lb behind an F-150 and definitely the tail will Wag the Dog even though it's within the tow parameters, and again it's not a matter of how much you could tug it's how much you can keep stable and stop
The funny thing is my grandpa towed a barbecue on a tiny trailer with his smart car it’s real
Making the windshield on a Wrangler more expensive, brilliant.
Same thought I had. They're rock magnets. Replaced frequently for that exact reason. Now it has expensive electronics integrated into it. No bueno.
i will be honest the 3.6 is a great engine and i have it but towing 5k... i am towing 3500 and want more power.
Try it at 60 MPH with Tractor Trailers wind shear.
6:03 Safety standards??... Oh, like not tipping over in a crash. Got it! 🤣
I still wouldn't want to tow nearly 5000 lbs with a Wrangler, especially in Utah. Then again, I wouldn't do it with my 80 series which will also tow 5000 lbs and has had a stronger FF axle since the early 90s.
St. George is 2500 ft above sea level
This is funny considering the little xj had a 5k yow rating way back
That knob looks ridiculously non-stock. Not saying it isn't stock, but it kinda sticks out. But if it does the job, then good job jeep!
I’ll say this the wj was rated for 6k with a 4.0 just saying i surely wouldn’t cause the 4.7 Durango struggles up hills
That naturally aspirated V6 seems incredibly underpowered compared to the competition, especially when towing. You shouldn't have to spend over $90k to get more than 300 hp / lb-ft.
St George? Yall better stop by matts offroad recovery!
May be rated for 5000 but I would never go over 3500 to be safe. I never max out any truck or SUV.
I was curious as to payload. Your losing around 400 lbs. with just the trailer.
Why cant the 392 get the 5000 rating; my 2004 LJ has a 5000 rating... And my 4Runner
What is the towing capacity for the Gladiator ?
7650 pounds
@@TFLcar Thank you
Wheelbase: Has nothing to do with it. Shorter Jeeps such as the Liberty had 5,000 to 7,000 lb. tow ratings 20 years ago.
Driveline: Has nothing to do with it. The engine, trans, and axles used in JL/JT are very rugged.
The 850 lb. payload rating means that if you put 4 adults in the Wrangler you cannot tow ANYTHING as your payload will be gone leaving nothing for a trailer.
I've always thought the convertible body is why they were conservative with tow ratings. And the way the hitch on JL/JK mounts ONLY to a rear crossmember instead of mounting down both frame rails like on a pickup also plays into it I bet.
Sturdier hitches exist. The full-floater rear axle is probably from the Gladiator Max Tow. The rear suspension too.
Soft spring and damping rates were probably an issue, but that is easy to address with in-coil airbags and adjustable shocks.
Jeep has been lazy with the Wranglers for many years, IMO, because they had no real competition. The 4Runner, Landcruiser, and Rav4 haven't been convertibles for decades. The Bronco and Blazer/Jimmy were gone. The Samurais and Sidekicks were axed. IH is gone. The Sportage went hardtop-only too.
Jeep bloated the Wranglers, but didn't increase the capacities accordingly. 'Lazy and greedy. Then Ford came out with the Bronco...and petulant Jeep immediately released the macho 392 Wrangler, more to rain on Ford's parade than to actually please customers. It reeked of insecurity.
If Jeep was actually trying to please customers with finally offering a V8 Wrangler Unlimited, instead of trying to show up Ford, they would have chosen a more sensible, fuel-efficient, 5.7L Wrangler that could tow 5000-7000lb.
No Wrangler needs a 392. Owners who want to be macho could add boost to their 5.7L, or swap in a Demon motor or similar. Jeep didn't even increase the towing capacity with the 392. What a bunch of limp showoffs...All strut and little actual, useful substance.
Jeeps used to be warhorses. They used to be little workhorses too. They used to even have PTOs.
At least Jeep finally increased the utility of the 4dr. Next, I'd like to see the sissified swingates replaced with useful tailgates. My simple, affordable CJ7 was better than a Wrangler, in that useful respect. Geez, they should at least offer it as an option, or offer a sturdy multi-swing gate.
St. George, Utah is under 3,000 feet in elevation...
The longer wheel base changed the towing capacity to.
Did the wheelbase change from last year?
Take it to the Super Ike!!
I don't know why jeep hasn't upgraded the 3.6 pentastar engine to produce at least 340ft lbs of torque so it can tow with ease
yep, the more things change, the more they stay the same. i'll keepmy hemi Grand Cherokee and just not have quite as good off road capability.
Towing is all about torque. Or in this case, lack there of.
It is the third quarter of this year.
I want to know what 95% of the Wranglers sold will do. And that is the 2.0L. 3.6 is getting phased out. 392 is tacking $35,000 on to an already expensive life style vehicle price. I know TFL (or at least Tommy) isn’t a fan, but tell us what the 2.0L will do. That’s what all the ‘24 jeeps are coming w now besides a select few.
Also a gladiator w a 3.6 I think would do worse. Tow rating better yes, but aren’t they heavier?
With this setup you need to buy another Jeep to haul all your camping gear because if it was all in the Airstream you would be way overweight.
Wrangler with the 6.4L Hemi would definitely tow more
It’s not the engine that’s the limiting factor.
6.4 Hemi is limited to 3,500lbs, tow ratings have less to do with horsepower than you would think.
I mean I understand that.....
Going uphill is probably a battle for non Hemi engines.
considering the 3.6L in the ram tows in the 7k range I think not.
I’m thinking a pop up.
My insight is if you're towing with a jeep wrangler... get the engine with the 392 package and you tow your butt off with your airstream. Thar 3.6 will scream all day,trans,temps up. Yahh.
Extremely disappointed that the 3.6 will only be offered on the Rubicon trim. Because of that I will be purchasing a Ford Bronco.
With an EcoBoost?
The antenna in the windshield is a horrible idea in my opinion. That just makes the windshield more expensive. I’m not looking forward to the new JEEP because of that.
The question would be not if the Jeep can tow that trailer, but should it? The answer is no!
Wonder why they didn't try this with the 4xe drivetrain? 470ft/lb of torque would be a huge advantage over the 3.6L.
Because the 4XE is only rated for 3,500 lbs
Not sure, as I believe the Grand Cherokee 4xe is rated similarly to the standard models.
@@watchreport Yes, I failed to catch that, thanks!
Electric and boost also handle altitude better.
Yep! You could tow it to the local 7-11 and then the battery would be dead.
Airstream and Jeep are both nose high. Not exactly an optimal setup if I’m looking at spending $150,000. If I’m shadetreeing my 1988 Buick Reatta to lug momma’s lawn tractor to Cletus to get some fixin’, I’ll deal. But to have a manufacturer set it up that way for journalists is … telling.