My wife hauls horses around the country and we recently installed a 110 gallon fuel tank in the bed of her 2013 F-350 for a total fuel capacity of nearly 150 gallons. She can make it nearly halfway across the country before refueling towing a 15k lb trailer. Not only that but you can fill up in states where fuel is cheaper and have 1,500 miles or so of range to get through the expensive states without buying fuel.
I think at this point, everyone knows that EVs are not quite there for towing yet. There are still some current applications where a standard diesel will easily beat an EV.
You're comparing to today's EV trucks. Ots dawn of EV in general. The EV cars already out do best of best gasoline cars. I would give it few years and EV trucks will out tow, haul, and longer range.
Yup I got a Tesla model y and that’s my daily driver. I got a 2022 gmc at4 with the straight line 6 diesel and I use that on road trips cuz a full tank gets me 550 miles.
@@wt9653 They only do it with giant, expensive batteries, not through technological advancements over initial iteration. There is no battery tech on the horizon that will give an EV dually 800+ miles of range and a 5 minute charge time.
My 2000 7.3 excursion just got about 18.2-19 on the trip to AZ to NM , and the way back, worse on the way going. I think i should spring for that tune and do my pushrods and turbo.
I drove Chevy's until they put the DEF filler under the hood. I just wasn't going to risk spilling DEF under the hood. Been happy with the Ford's since then.
Yeah climbing up and down at high elevations vs flat lower elevation no doubt the Ram 3500 would be much better in the apples to apples test. My own personal experience is 10% reduction when hauling in MT vs Midwest (a trip I have done numerous times from Chicago to Sierras CA)
I have a 2023 Ford F-450 HO 500 hp w/1200 foot pounds of torque. I use the truck for hot shot. I’m getting 8.3 MPG loaded on average. I also have a 2017 RAM Cummins that averages 7.3 MPG. So the Ford gets about 1 MPG better than my RAM. I’m pleased.
I thought about hot shotting. But I usually drive a 2022 Volvo 860 VNL with a 500hp Volvo engine w/1800 foot pounds of torque. Towing a 53' dry van. Lightly loaded around 40,000 pounds I've gotten 12.2 mpg on flat roads and averaging 55 -60 mph. Going coast to coast at 80,000 lbs and averaging 70 mph I'm still getting 6.5 mpg. Hotshots don't really save any fuel compared to a semi, and they are far less comfortable at night.
I drove a new 2023 F450 HO from Iowa to Denver w/cruise set to 79mph and got 13mpg. The 4.3 gearing certainly affected the mileage. My biggest surprise was how smooth and comfy it was to drive. I was expecting a harsh ride and as long as the road was smooth, the truck was super smooth.
The 4.3 gearing has nothing to do with it, you were doing 79mph LOL 4.10's with the older 6 speed was still higher rpm then the 10 speed Wind resistance above 60mph requires exponential increases in energy to maintain the same speed, you're in an extra wide duallu, tall, huge tow mirrors, big grilled diesel
@@hitempguy Also F350 vs F450. The commenter had the F450 so 19.5" wheels and tires and the tires are F or G load and heavier than the E load tires on the 350 so much more unsprung mass to spin as well. F350 that TFL drove has Michelin LTX M/S or LTX M/S2 on it, LT245-75R17 E load which are 45lbs per tire. The Continental ContiHybrid HS3 size 225/70R19.5 G load range on the F450 come in at 62lbs per tire. 102lbs more rotating mass, not counting the wheel weight differences.
@@hitempguyThe 4.3 vs say 3.73 had every thing to do with it , actually final drive ratio has everything to do with it , so tire size factors Into it to.
I drove my 2012 F-450 975 miles from Columbus Ohio to Crystal River Florida with no back ache. It was actually a pleasant trip. This was a 6 speed truck with 4:30 gears. I drove mostly 72 mph and got 14.5 mpg.
I think in the F450 and bigger trucks you can still option them with dual fuel tanks, but only on diesel models unfortunately...but gives you around 70 or 80 gallons of fuel total...but with today's fuel prices OUCH!!!
Not too impressive if this is your daily driver. Most people rarely tow with their trucks. Only if you own some sort of construction company than it makes sense.
Just think what it would get for mpg if it didn't have the Golden Potatoe in the exhaust that it has to bake with horse piss for 20min or until golden brown. I think my truck is doing great, until the EPA puts it in the mpg penalty box.
@@fordgtguy What's the point if you let a 90k truck sit collect dust. The price of that econo car will buy a lot of fuel. We are back to beginning again to "The truck isn't very efficient for daily driver "
Have a 2020 F-350 King Ranch dually, really like the truck! I've tried the Eco mode a few times and really haven't noticed much difference in fuel mileage. It really cuts back on the power though, really noticeable. In 56,000 miles of driving we've gotten over 20mpg three times (figured manually), must have had a tail wind and it was really nice! We've gotten in the 6's a few times pulling the camper on windy days (should have stopped and camped). We have a 50-gal auxiliary fuel tank in back for a total of 98 gallons, makes traveling real nice.
Had a 1999 24-valve Dodge, 3.54 rear gear, auto, 2WD, 235/85 on the stock rims all around (speedo corrected). Only mods were my favorite Group IV in the crank, same brand in the trans and pumpkin, oversized canister air filter with heat shield and a Banks hard elbow. My diesel mechanic buddy recommended running between 1600 and 1900 rpm (72 mph) for best efficiency. Maybe 400 lbs of gear in the bed, extended cab full of family, usually averaged 23-24 mpg highway (hand calculated) here in the inter-mountain west. Was a great, if a little loud, truck.
I drive F350 dually, diesel with the 3:55 rear axle. I live in New Mexico and my mileage when driving a mixture of interstate and secondary roads is 17.1 to 17.4. All of the driving is at 3500 - 9500 feet above sea level and includes driving in the mountains.
Just rented a 2021 F350 6.7 Powerstroke empty got 22 and a half miles to the gallon from northern Idaho to Sacramento California loaded with a 40 ft camper trailer coming back got 11 and a half miles to the gallon
If you only have 20 gallon tank then you fill up twice same thing you have over 40 gallons you just take longer to fill up and its actually better to have all those gallons if you go on a road trip fill up where its cheaper
Just a long drive, not a “haul”. Keeping it real. Great channel. By the way my 2015 MB E250 diesel went 1137 miles from Great Falls MT to Sparta WI on 22.94 gallons of fuel. 49.5 mpg at highway speeds plus rolling through towns. Topped off in Aberdeen SD; 21 gallon tank computes to approximately 1000+ miles range. It too was a pleasant drive. I’ll NRVER buy an EV
Yup. My 91 MB E250D (diesel, wagon, 5 speed) gets ~30 mpg almost no matter how hard i drive it. If I drive it carefully (I usually don't since it doesn't have a turbo, which means no power, so my foot is to the floor pretty much all the time!!!) I could easily get 800 miles on one tank. The only fly in the ointment is that it's an old car and i don't know what kind of crud lurks at the bottom of the tank so I almost never let it get below a 1/4 tank. I'm about to go install a water separator, and hopefully that cures it's fuel filter issues (I got change them about every 1000 miles.)
iam debating switching to ford.... we have a 2022 ram 5500 limited right now as a welding truck. Love the truck but unfortunately needs have changed and dont have a use for the 5500 anymore. Looking to go back down to a 3500 drw to gain back some MPG. On average i get about 10.5 with the 5500. This video is promising! never driven a ford though always been a ram/gm guy
i love how superduty trucks have a eco mode. its kind of like having a sport mode in a prius its just ironic. i can get 20+ MPG in mine in the right conditions, until I hit stop lights, and going about 45-50 MPG.
I mean it’s getting comparable range to what my 5.0 L F150 is getting on the road if I hit any traffic. I can get 20 miles to the gallon if I’m lucky and don’t hit any traffic but I average around 18 normally in highway driving around 75 mph. So for a modern F350 diesel that’s doing pretty good. Now compared to my 3500 dodge Cummins from 2003 that got unloaded 25-28 miles to the gallon that’s not so Skippy. All of this new emissions technology just burns so much extra fuel.
I have found that diesels take about 30k miles to break in. That applies to 3/4 ton pickups or class 8 tractors. If fuel economy matters, 62mph is the speed to go. Any speed above 65mph may be rapid transit, but not for economy.
Ugh, 62 mph is crawling, especially if on a cross country trip! I can’t imagine how miserable it was going across the country when the speed limits were 55!
@jaysson1151 Fuel economy is fuel economy. I did run tractor trailers coast to coast during those days. And it did take a while. At least for heavy trucks, road trains make more sense than higher speed limits. The bumps are bigger the faster you go. And by the way, I believe Austrailian road trains are limited to 45mph.
@@jameseroh6544 well I’ve never seen anything more than two trailers pulled in tandem here in the States… no road trains here. Currently, most truckers are going 70+ while also making the tractors and the trailers more streamlined to reduce wind resistance.
Thank you for what you do the mpg is very disappointing I have a 2016 F250 with a 67 L diesel and it has the six speed automatic and I get around 17 out of it on the highway
I’ve done both those drives and you can’t compare them. Take the trucks on the same route. I don’t think you can go wrong with either of these trucks. I have an older Ram 3500 DRW with the 5.9L Cummins and I get between 19.7-21mpg depending on speed, terrain and headwind. I love the Ford interiors…
we took off the bed of the truck and put a CM HotShot body on it. F450 HO and was getting 21mpg according to the truck over 100 miles..... we also added an additional fuel tank 90gallons
I have a 89k3500 4x4 454 Dually…at 55mph it’s churning 3500rpm….so 6-8mpg on hwy I can haul it on my 18ft car trailer and pull it with my 2017 f250 6.7 and get 13-14mpg yes trucks are soooo much better nowadays
As with any vehicle built in the past 20 years or so...all the added electronic gadgetry is what'll kill most of them, the engines/transmissions are fine its all the computer garbage connected to them that causes the problems.
With my 2016 tundra not pulling anything I can go 670 miles from full to empty, not as good as this truck but still not to bad. 38 gallon tank and I get 18 a gallon at 70mph.
Two more cylinders, more cubic inches, and still better fuel efficiency... Gotta love Fords... Not only built tuff... Put built to be and remain.. top dog....
This guy does really good coverage he should get a raise! One question is there a difference on the high output and regular 6.8 power stroke? I’m on the market on getting a f250 but not sure which one to get
The high output versions of diesel engines just wear out faster because you are pushing more power out of them, the regular engine is what you want for longevity. If all you wanna do is impress your friends and go fast get an HO, otherwise if you actually want it for a truck to do truck things get the regular output model.
Kudos to Ford for putting a respectable sized tank for towing. My 2020 1500 Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3 L V-8 only has a 24 gallon tank, and I only get 9 MPG when towing my 5600 lb. travel trailer on the highway (63 MPH on cruise control). Having to fill up every 200 miles is a little annoying. Great video Andre!
Andre, I appreciated your unbiase evaluation of this truck. Your the only one on your team that I feel give unbiased opinion. I know who on your team is paid by Dodge, and who is paid by Chevy! Glad you don't take that money under the table!! Ok guys, just kidding about the money!😂
That's what the diesel bros use then for , I hardly see any of them with much more than a bed cover , all the work is being done with half tons ! This test is for the avg HD truck owner.
Just for context, 17 mpg is about what our 1978 Buick LeSabre would get on the highway (running about the same speed). It had a 350 with a 2 barrel carburetor and a 3 speed auto.
@@randallkelley3600 It was amazing how much gas those cars could burn back then. It was leaded gas too, if driven around town much they would run terrible until they got out on the highway for a while.
@jamesvuxta8723 thanks sir! I have 3.73s in my f150 powerboost. I tend to prefer higher numeric axles but these torque rich engines and ten speeds don't need any help lol
Hey Andre, I know the Iowa 80 Truck Stop, personally, because, as a military nut, I've bought patches, and hat pins from them, and when I go on my road trip to Ohio, later this year, I'll be buying more patches, and pins from there, once more.
My 2022 RAM 3500 Laramie SRW CTD gets 22+ mpgs on the highway at 75mph with over 1,000lbs in the bed and still gets 16mpg at 75mpg towing 9000lbs. RAM for the win (as usual)!
FYI Ford added a 9th fuel injector on the 2023. It’s in the exhaust, so it does not add an injection afire detonation to burn off the DPF. Fuel dilution problem solved. It’s about time.
30 seconds top-off delay needs to be more like 120 sec (2 min) for diesel too deal with the large, light froth that backs up the filler pipe with Diesel fuel.
Did the truck have a cover over the bed? Would this have aided in further fuel economy? Have you done testing with and without a bed cover for a MPG comparison? How much more efficient is the 6.7 H. O. vs the regular 6.7? Just curious and GREATLY APPRECIATE your content. Please keep it coming.
17 6.7 powerstroke (mods) done and yes it’s strong performance but mileage wasn’t to bad before mods where done they have done a good job with getting things to work right on the new trucks..
I always get 2 to 3 mpg less on the vegas to Denver trip than I do on any trip to Denver especially from the East so that’s not a very good comparison.
My parents 2020 ram 3500 ho unloaded doing 70 on a decent trip does 16.5-18 mpg so nothing out of ordinary. I believe the Chevy is in the realm also, 1-2 mpg don’t make a big difference in day to day. Still hurts if you not used to it or deep pocketed.
My non-broken in 24 chevy 2500 srw duramax does 20 going 60 on a rolling hill highway or 18.5 70+ down interstate. 17.5 isn’t bad for a dually going 70+ on interstate.
Would love to see you guys do some endurance testing on high speed off road conditions in the air suspension Wrangler. It’d be interesting to see how it deals with prolonged high intensity use
I would like to know what the 6.7L Powerstroke gets that the govenments runs without the DEF and filter on them No pollutions stuff and yes Ford sells them for road use to the government
I did not see you fill up before the trip. Therefore, your discrepancy of 17.4 to the trucks computer 18.1. I noticed you fill the tube of the tank(not recommended) And it took an extra 1.8 gallons. Probably your difference in Milage
Not to mention the weight difference. Today’s heavy duty pickups are so much heavier than they were 20-25 years ago. Heck, I had a 2009 GMC 2500HD ext-cab and 8 foot box with the Duramax and 4wd, it weighed 6900 lbs. That same configuration today with just the gas engine weighs more….a lot more.
I bought my 2014 Toyota Tacoma in late 2013 hoping for more efficient truck from full size. I get 16 mpg average and on a good day 18 mpg on Interstate at 75ish. I do love its size and reliabliity though. I am impressed at the Fords mpg and its not even broken in fully.
@@slmjake I'd get 18-19mpg quite often with my 08 Tundra with the 5.7L V8 driving it easy, but you can't drive those trucks easy very long LOL. A trip from Idaho up to Washington and back a few times I got 21mpg with it, but mostly city I'd get 14-15mpg, and highway was normally 18mpg, occasionally on light traffic days I'd see 19mpg...all calculated manually as the truck didn't have the fancy digital trip computer LOL. The 4.30 gears made it nice for towing, but made it less fuel efficient overall, however if you wanna tow, you want the higher numerical gear ratio numbers...lower numerically gives you better fuel economy but less towing ability in the hills. My 99 Dodge Ram 1500 RC 4x4 with the 318 and 5 speed would get 25mpg on the highway all the time, but if I towed with it, it sucked because of the 3.55 gear ratio'd axles.
25 mpg 😂 yeah maybe going 55 mph downhill and having 180hp while belching out smoke under the slightest load. These newer diesels are cleaner to operate than the gasoline alternatives.
Not bad I’m getting about 18.3 on my drive from az to nm and back in my 2000 7.3 excursion , no def tank tho haha, I’m thinking of getting a tune that should help with mpg.
Hold up. You said the Ram has a "smaller" 31 gallon tank. You failed to mention the optional FIFTY GALLON tank, bringing the total to 81 gallons. That's BIGGER than Ford's!!!!!
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My wife hauls horses around the country and we recently installed a 110 gallon fuel tank in the bed of her 2013 F-350 for a total fuel capacity of nearly 150 gallons. She can make it nearly halfway across the country before refueling towing a 15k lb trailer. Not only that but you can fill up in states where fuel is cheaper and have 1,500 miles or so of range to get through the expensive states without buying fuel.
That's a very good point, about skipping the expensive states!!
THANK YOU!!!!
Did you get the plastic or aluminumized steel gas tank?
The only thing I worry about is getting a full tank of bad gas and having to drive 1500 miles with bad gas
Almost 850 miles of range, and it took only a few minutes to refuel.... No EV comes close.
I think at this point, everyone knows that EVs are not quite there for towing yet. There are still some current applications where a standard diesel will easily beat an EV.
@@Heffelz8 Towing wasn't my point.
But since you mention it, this thing easily has more range towing an EV than an EV has on its own.
You're comparing to today's EV trucks.
Ots dawn of EV in general. The EV cars already out do best of best gasoline cars.
I would give it few years and EV trucks will out tow, haul, and longer range.
Yup I got a Tesla model y and that’s my daily driver. I got a 2022 gmc at4 with the straight line 6 diesel and I use that on road trips cuz a full tank gets me 550 miles.
@@wt9653 They only do it with giant, expensive batteries, not through technological advancements over initial iteration. There is no battery tech on the horizon that will give an EV dually 800+ miles of range and a 5 minute charge time.
Performing the way it’s suppose to, no surprises, no inconveniences, no excuses…a real truck
Thanks TFL 👍😎
My 7.3 PSD Excursion used to get 19-20 going 73 from central NJ to the GA-FL line, ~900 miles on the 44 gal tank. it's from 2001 and weighs ~9000 lbs.
As a Ram guy I love the excursion and the 7.3
Ya my 2003 7.3 here in Canada 🇨🇦 gets 25 Canadian mpg on a trip with 450 hp and 900 flbs torq
My 2000 7.3 excursion just got about 18.2-19 on the trip to AZ to NM , and the way back, worse on the way going. I think i should spring for that tune and do my pushrods and turbo.
My 2022 F350 with WAY more torque and hp got 20.9 on a 3700 mile road trip from Colorado to Michigan to Tennessee back to Colorado doing 75-80 mostly.
My 7.3 does 200 miles per tank
I’m a Chevy fanboy through and through but that is simply an impressive truck… no other way to put it
I drove Chevy's until they put the DEF filler under the hood. I just wasn't going to risk spilling DEF under the hood. Been happy with the Ford's since then.
Not sure why Chevy Doesn’t offer a larger fuel tank
@@ajmedeiros77normal drivers won’t fill it up unless they work hotshot
GM products are absolute garbage you should feel embarrased
@@09dave1952 DEF filler is by the fuel cap again, since the 2020 model
Man, 18.1 mpg for a big bruiser of a truck, is mind blowing!!!!!!!!!!
The test with the Ram was through the mountains and the test with the F350 was across the plains. I would bet they’re close to the same fuel economy.
Doubtful
@@scoobiedoo2517absolutely it would be.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk nope
@@scoobiedoo2517yep!
Yeah climbing up and down at high elevations vs flat lower elevation no doubt the Ram 3500 would be much better in the apples to apples test. My own personal experience is 10% reduction when hauling in MT vs Midwest (a trip I have done numerous times from Chicago to Sierras CA)
7:22 As always TFL runs on Sinclair. …not because its fuel has dino care additive BUT because they pay us to advertise them.
I have a 2023 Ford F-450 HO 500 hp w/1200 foot pounds of torque. I use the truck for hot shot. I’m getting 8.3 MPG loaded on average. I also have a 2017 RAM Cummins that averages 7.3 MPG. So the Ford gets about 1 MPG better than my RAM. I’m pleased.
I thought about hot shotting. But I usually drive a 2022 Volvo 860 VNL with a 500hp Volvo engine w/1800 foot pounds of torque. Towing a 53' dry van. Lightly loaded around 40,000 pounds I've gotten 12.2 mpg on flat roads and averaging 55 -60 mph. Going coast to coast at 80,000 lbs and averaging 70 mph I'm still getting 6.5 mpg. Hotshots don't really save any fuel compared to a semi, and they are far less comfortable at night.
I drove a new 2023 F450 HO from Iowa to Denver w/cruise set to 79mph and got 13mpg. The 4.3 gearing certainly affected the mileage. My biggest surprise was how smooth and comfy it was to drive. I was expecting a harsh ride and as long as the road was smooth, the truck was super smooth.
Smooth road = smooth ride was true on my dad's Fiat 126p back in early 90's in Europe. As long as you didn't rev the 800cc monster to much...
The 4.3 gearing has nothing to do with it, you were doing 79mph LOL
4.10's with the older 6 speed was still higher rpm then the 10 speed
Wind resistance above 60mph requires exponential increases in energy to maintain the same speed, you're in an extra wide duallu, tall, huge tow mirrors, big grilled diesel
@@hitempguy- EXACTLY!! 😂😂
@@hitempguy Also F350 vs F450. The commenter had the F450 so 19.5" wheels and tires and the tires are F or G load and heavier than the E load tires on the 350 so much more unsprung mass to spin as well. F350 that TFL drove has Michelin LTX M/S or LTX M/S2 on it, LT245-75R17 E load which are 45lbs per tire. The Continental ContiHybrid HS3 size 225/70R19.5 G load range on the F450 come in at 62lbs per tire. 102lbs more rotating mass, not counting the wheel weight differences.
@@hitempguyThe 4.3 vs say 3.73 had every thing to do with it , actually final drive ratio has everything to do with it , so tire size factors Into it to.
I drove my 2012 F-450 975 miles from Columbus Ohio to Crystal River Florida with no back ache. It was actually a pleasant trip. This was a 6 speed truck with 4:30 gears. I drove mostly 72 mph and got 14.5 mpg.
Kudos to Ford for giving us a proper fuel tank. I wish all trucks made the most of all that space under the bed!
I think in the F450 and bigger trucks you can still option them with dual fuel tanks, but only on diesel models unfortunately...but gives you around 70 or 80 gallons of fuel total...but with today's fuel prices OUCH!!!
Nice to have the big tank even id you dont use the whole tank
18 mpg for that huge truck is crazy excellent!!!
Not too impressive if this is your daily driver.
Most people rarely tow with their trucks.
Only if you own some sort of construction company than it makes sense.
@@wt9653 If you can afford a 2023 F-350, then you can afford a smaller car for daily driving as well.
Just think what it would get for mpg if it didn't have the Golden Potatoe in the exhaust that it has to bake with horse piss for 20min or until golden brown. I think my truck is doing great, until the EPA puts it in the mpg penalty box.
@@fordgtguy
What's the point if you let a 90k truck sit collect dust. The price of that econo car will buy a lot of fuel.
We are back to beginning again to "The truck isn't very efficient for daily driver "
@@usandersonz7588As long as you promise to redirect the exhaust into the cabin! 😂
Thank you Andre for always giving us the information we need with no fluff. My favorite automotive presenter
Have a 2020 F-350 King Ranch dually, really like the truck! I've tried the Eco mode a few times and really haven't noticed much difference in fuel mileage. It really cuts back on the power though, really noticeable. In 56,000 miles of driving we've gotten over 20mpg three times (figured manually), must have had a tail wind and it was really nice! We've gotten in the 6's a few times pulling the camper on windy days (should have stopped and camped). We have a 50-gal auxiliary fuel tank in back for a total of 98 gallons, makes traveling real nice.
Had a 1999 24-valve Dodge, 3.54 rear gear, auto, 2WD, 235/85 on the stock rims all around (speedo corrected). Only mods were my favorite Group IV in the crank, same brand in the trans and pumpkin, oversized canister air filter with heat shield and a Banks hard elbow. My diesel mechanic buddy recommended running between 1600 and 1900 rpm (72 mph) for best efficiency. Maybe 400 lbs of gear in the bed, extended cab full of family, usually averaged 23-24 mpg highway (hand calculated) here in the inter-mountain west. Was a great, if a little loud, truck.
I drive F350 dually, diesel with the 3:55 rear axle. I live in New Mexico and my mileage when driving a mixture of interstate and secondary roads is 17.1 to 17.4. All of the driving is at 3500 - 9500 feet above sea level and includes driving in the mountains.
Thanks Andre and Camera Ninja Kase ... Happy 4th of July Everybody..... Have a good day✌️
Just rented a 2021 F350 6.7 Powerstroke empty got 22 and a half miles to the gallon from northern Idaho to Sacramento California loaded with a 40 ft camper trailer coming back got 11 and a half miles to the gallon
11.5mpg ain't too bad with a trailer that size. My 88 F250 with the 460 and C6 would get around 6-8mpg pulling a 21 or 25 foot travel trailer.
I believe you're incorrect. My 21 ram 3500 has a 50-gallon factory tank.
Wow, 48-gallon tank!! How could you afford to fill it? Keep up the good work Andre! You and TFL do the best reviews !!
If you only have 20 gallon tank then you fill up twice same thing you have over 40 gallons you just take longer to fill up and its actually better to have all those gallons if you go on a road trip fill up where its cheaper
See you dont have to fill it all the way. But you can if you want
CAN"T wait to get my F450 Limited!!! Wish Ford would start building them a little faster, I've been waiting since Oct 22....
Just a long drive, not a “haul”. Keeping it real. Great channel. By the way my 2015 MB E250 diesel went 1137 miles from Great Falls MT to Sparta WI on 22.94 gallons of fuel. 49.5 mpg at highway speeds plus rolling through towns. Topped off in Aberdeen SD; 21 gallon tank computes to approximately 1000+ miles range. It too was a pleasant drive. I’ll NRVER buy an EV
Bullshit
Yup.
My 91 MB E250D (diesel, wagon, 5 speed) gets ~30 mpg almost no matter how hard i drive it. If I drive it carefully (I usually don't since it doesn't have a turbo, which means no power, so my foot is to the floor pretty much all the time!!!) I could easily get 800 miles on one tank. The only fly in the ointment is that it's an old car and i don't know what kind of crud lurks at the bottom of the tank so I almost never let it get below a 1/4 tank.
I'm about to go install a water separator, and hopefully that cures it's fuel filter issues (I got change them about every 1000 miles.)
@@monunyabidness5949 why not suck out the stuff in your tank, flush it and refill? It’s not a old car,it’s a Diesel Benz. Yours is unbreakable
Happy 4th of July! 🎆Hope the TFL crew has a nice, safe and fun day off. 🙂
Thank you! Happy July 4th to you as well!
4400 miles it’s sill new, I feel engine still breaking In
Its a diesel, isn't break-in on those like 10-20k LOL.
That's a pretty impressive, mpg. In an 8ft bed Ram, you can get a 50-gallon tank.
I was hoping someone else would say this.
iam debating switching to ford.... we have a 2022 ram 5500 limited right now as a welding truck. Love the truck but unfortunately needs have changed and dont have a use for the 5500 anymore. Looking to go back down to a 3500 drw to gain back some MPG. On average i get about 10.5 with the 5500. This video is promising! never driven a ford though always been a ram/gm guy
i love how superduty trucks have a eco mode. its kind of like having a sport mode in a prius its just ironic. i can get 20+ MPG in mine in the right conditions, until I hit stop lights, and going about 45-50 MPG.
I mean it’s getting comparable range to what my 5.0 L F150 is getting on the road if I hit any traffic. I can get 20 miles to the gallon if I’m lucky and don’t hit any traffic but I average around 18 normally in highway driving around 75 mph. So for a modern F350 diesel that’s doing pretty good.
Now compared to my 3500 dodge Cummins from 2003 that got unloaded 25-28 miles to the gallon that’s not so Skippy. All of this new emissions technology just burns so much extra fuel.
I have found that diesels take about 30k miles to break in. That applies to 3/4 ton pickups or class 8 tractors. If fuel economy matters, 62mph is the speed to go. Any speed above 65mph may be rapid transit, but not for economy.
Ugh, 62 mph is crawling, especially if on a cross country trip! I can’t imagine how miserable it was going across the country when the speed limits were 55!
@@jaysson1151In the European Union, trucks with a GVWR of over 7716 lbs are electronically limited to 55 mph. 👏
@jaysson1151 Fuel economy is fuel economy. I did run tractor trailers coast to coast during those days. And it did take a while. At least for heavy trucks, road trains make more sense than higher speed limits. The bumps are bigger the faster you go.
And by the way, I believe Austrailian road trains are limited to 45mph.
@@jameseroh6544 well I’ve never seen anything more than two trailers pulled in tandem here in the States… no road trains here. Currently, most truckers are going 70+ while also making the tractors and the trailers more streamlined to reduce wind resistance.
@@jaysson1151 were they turnpike doubles? Or pup trailers?
Thank you for what you do the mpg is very disappointing I have a 2016 F250 with a 67 L diesel and it has the six speed automatic and I get around 17 out of it on the highway
I’ve done both those drives and you can’t compare them. Take the trucks on the same route. I don’t think you can go wrong with either of these trucks. I have an older Ram 3500 DRW with the 5.9L Cummins and I get between 19.7-21mpg depending on speed, terrain and headwind.
I love the Ford interiors…
Those old diesels would run lean to get that really good fuel economy. The new ones require more fuel to burn completely and pass emissions.
I believe this my 2019 ram I made it from Denver to Vegas! One tank! I will challenge any ev on range!
we took off the bed of the truck and put a CM HotShot body on it. F450 HO and was getting 21mpg according to the truck over 100 miles..... we also added an additional fuel tank 90gallons
I have a 89k3500 4x4 454 Dually…at 55mph it’s churning 3500rpm….so 6-8mpg on hwy I can haul it on my 18ft car trailer and pull it with my 2017 f250 6.7 and get 13-14mpg yes trucks are soooo much better nowadays
...and far more expensive.
@@wildbill23c yessir
My 2021 crew cab Dualy D-max got 22.1 average driving back-and-forth from Denver to Goshen. Indiana multiple times, for a comparison
I am from Europe I and love these Pick up Trucks. Despite having no use for such a car and I would never find a parking space 😂
A pickup truck like that would be limited to 55 mph
Starting at 140.000 euro in the Netherlands (approximately 150.000$)
Durability will be interesting.
As with any vehicle built in the past 20 years or so...all the added electronic gadgetry is what'll kill most of them, the engines/transmissions are fine its all the computer garbage connected to them that causes the problems.
Ram trucks offer a 50 gallon tank now.
Unfortunately, it’s only in the 3500.
Are they still made in Mexico?
@@slmjake Yes, just like the Powerstroke is hecho en Mexico.
What I find amazing is how they got a dually 1 ton to ride like a single rear wheel 3/4 ton
Thank you for these very informative videos preciate it.
Remember ram run went over the mountains as which the Ford is not more flat and hills run
Wtf did you just say?
Definitely better than my ‘24 Denali ultimate drw. I miss the ford power too, a banks pedal monster does help with the lazy throttle.
With my 2016 tundra not pulling anything I can go 670 miles from full to empty, not as good as this truck but still not to bad. 38 gallon tank and I get 18 a gallon at 70mph.
Two more cylinders, more cubic inches, and still better fuel efficiency... Gotta love Fords... Not only built tuff... Put built to be and remain.. top dog....
my favorite is the 2018 Ford F-350 Lariat with a 6.7 Liter PowerStroke Diesel
This guy does really good coverage he should get a raise! One question is there a difference on the high output and regular 6.8 power stroke? I’m on the market on getting a f250 but not sure which one to get
The high output versions of diesel engines just wear out faster because you are pushing more power out of them, the regular engine is what you want for longevity. If all you wanna do is impress your friends and go fast get an HO, otherwise if you actually want it for a truck to do truck things get the regular output model.
Eco mode on a half ton gives me better in city economy but I gain 1 MPG in normal mode on the highway. That is at 70-80 MPH posted speed.
Kudos to Ford for putting a respectable sized tank for towing. My 2020 1500 Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3 L V-8 only has a 24 gallon tank, and I only get 9 MPG when towing my 5600 lb. travel trailer on the highway (63 MPH on cruise control). Having to fill up every 200 miles is a little annoying. Great video Andre!
4400 miles is broken in on a diesel??? My Cummins said 15000 miles for break in unless you towed with it and they recommend to tow right away.
Andre, I appreciated your unbiase evaluation of this truck. Your the only one on your team that I feel give unbiased opinion. I know who on your team is paid by Dodge, and who is paid by Chevy! Glad you don't take that money under the table!!
Ok guys, just kidding about the money!😂
Pretty good mileage for a big heavy pickup. But long haul video with no haul? Maybe just call it long drive video?
That's what the diesel bros use then for , I hardly see any of them with much more than a bed cover , all the work is being done with half tons ! This test is for the avg HD truck owner.
Certainly not Apples to Apples vs RAM 3500 re: altitude & mountains vs I-80 across Iowa and Nebraska.
Just for context, 17 mpg is about what our 1978 Buick LeSabre would get on the highway (running about the same speed). It had a 350 with a 2 barrel carburetor and a 3 speed auto.
I had a 65 Olds 88 with a 425 that burnt premium and got about 10mpg. I might have driven a little faster back then, just saying.
My dad had a 68 Electra with a 430 (I think). He joked that the car got 8mpg…in town, on the highway, up hill, down hill…8mpg.
@@randallkelley3600 It was amazing how much gas those cars could burn back then. It was leaded gas too, if driven around town much they would run terrible until they got out on the highway for a while.
Pretty darn good mpgs and thanks for making this TFL! YOU ARE NUMBER 1! What axle ratios are in this beast?
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@jamesvuxta8723 thanks sir! I have 3.73s in my f150 powerboost. I tend to prefer higher numeric axles but these torque rich engines and ten speeds don't need any help lol
Thank you so much for these videos. They're very helpful.
Hey Andre, I know the Iowa 80 Truck Stop, personally, because, as a military nut, I've bought patches, and hat pins from them, and when I go on my road trip to Ohio, later this year, I'll be buying more patches, and pins from there, once more.
Great review. Thanks!
My 2022 RAM 3500 Laramie SRW CTD gets 22+ mpgs on the highway at 75mph with over 1,000lbs in the bed and still gets 16mpg at 75mpg towing 9000lbs. RAM for the win (as usual)!
You're single rear wheel pickup with a higher rear gear gets better mileage... Wow amazing
FYI Ford added a
9th fuel injector on the 2023. It’s in the exhaust, so it does not add an injection afire detonation to burn off the DPF. Fuel dilution problem solved. It’s about time.
To save you some time, 18.1 by the truck calculator, 17.9 by the pump calculation…… 9:15
That's way better then our 2008 f550 that gets 6mpg lol😂
True, but ev's are a FRACTION of the cost to refuel (recharge)
30 seconds top-off delay needs to be more like 120 sec (2 min) for diesel too deal with the large, light froth that backs up the filler pipe with Diesel fuel.
As always tfi runs on Sinclair fuel (our sponsor).😂
Git, N Split on Holling Road so you filled up at the Alda, NE location
Did the truck have a cover over the bed? Would this have aided in further fuel economy? Have you done testing with and without a bed cover for a MPG comparison? How much more efficient is the 6.7 H. O. vs the regular 6.7?
Just curious and GREATLY APPRECIATE your content. Please keep it coming.
Andre, RAM offers an optional 50 gallon tank on long Ed gas or diesel models.
Only on the 3500
Love I80 in Walcott, IA! Wish I bought a sticker
Not broken in, took 85000 to fully break in my 7.3
Now just imagine what it would do without all that emissions garbage clogging it up!
17 6.7 powerstroke (mods) done and yes it’s strong performance but mileage wasn’t to bad before mods where done they have done a good job with getting things to work right on the new trucks..
You imagine breathing through a thin straw the rest of your life!!!!
When not loaded, would remove 1 of the doubles? For less drag, less fuel usage? Some trucks pickup tyres when bot loaded to.
I always get 2 to 3 mpg less on the vegas to Denver trip than I do on any trip to Denver especially from the East so that’s not a very good comparison.
I see interested in seeing the same trip with the F350 gas version in the Limited
My parents 2020 ram 3500 ho unloaded doing 70 on a decent trip does 16.5-18 mpg so nothing out of ordinary. I believe the Chevy is in the realm also, 1-2 mpg don’t make a big difference in day to day. Still hurts if you not used to it or deep pocketed.
We had a 1979 F350 super cab long bed and you would feel a slight bump on rough roads in that too.... LOL
It would shake your damn teeth out !!!
Correction on the Ram maximum capacity for fuel: Newer 3500’s have the 50 gallon option
Thank you for the reminder.
My non-broken in 24 chevy 2500 srw duramax does 20 going 60 on a rolling hill highway or 18.5 70+ down interstate. 17.5 isn’t bad for a dually going 70+ on interstate.
I liked the fact that Andre was excited to stop at a truck stop
I am glad he did not come out bragging about some truck stop sandwich wrapped up in paper exclaiming it was the best gas station food in the world. 🤢
I've been to that truck stop, it truly is ginormous.
Would love to see you guys do some endurance testing on high speed off road conditions in the air suspension Wrangler. It’d be interesting to see how it deals with prolonged high intensity use
Pushing out 500 hp of a 6.7 diesel, that's really impressive MPG! Wonder what the economy would look like without all the emissions equipment.
500hp 1200ft lbs. Torque ...almost 18mpg that impressive!
I would like to know what the 6.7L Powerstroke gets that the govenments runs without the DEF and filter on them No pollutions stuff and yes Ford sells them for road use to the government
My '22 LB 6.7 got me from Dalhart TX, to Three forks MT on one fill-up. I was running on fumes when I got there tho😅
I did not see you fill up before the trip. Therefore, your discrepancy of 17.4 to the trucks computer 18.1.
I noticed you fill the tube of the tank(not recommended)
And it took an extra 1.8 gallons. Probably your difference in Milage
Nice f350 so about 18 not bad for a big heavy truck. My uncle have 2021 f250 king ranch he getting 21.6 mpg.
You conveniently forgot that Ram offers a 50 gallon tank in the long box 3500.
My 2023 ram 3500 single wheel has a 52 gal. Tank. Factory plus my 3 5500 do also 🧐
When i c a heavy D ford truck..i tip my hat
FORD BUILDS THE BEST TRUCKS
My 1997 F350, 7.3, 4:11 gears gets about the same....Of course it's 1/2 the hp!
Not to mention the weight difference. Today’s heavy duty pickups are so much heavier than they were 20-25 years ago. Heck, I had a 2009 GMC 2500HD ext-cab and 8 foot box with the Duramax and 4wd, it weighed 6900 lbs. That same configuration today with just the gas engine weighs more….a lot more.
The ram had a 31 or 50 gallon tank options on the 3500.
Thank you for pointing this out.
@@TFLtruck no problem. Was just configuring one and they advertise the largest tank capacity on the front page of the build configurator.
I bought my 2014 Toyota Tacoma in late 2013 hoping for more efficient truck from full size. I get 16 mpg average and on a good day 18 mpg on Interstate at 75ish. I do love its size and reliabliity though. I am impressed at the Fords mpg and its not even broken in fully.
Love Toyota but they are horrible on mpgs in my opinion. Part of that is the numerically high axle ratios
@@slmjake I'd get 18-19mpg quite often with my 08 Tundra with the 5.7L V8 driving it easy, but you can't drive those trucks easy very long LOL. A trip from Idaho up to Washington and back a few times I got 21mpg with it, but mostly city I'd get 14-15mpg, and highway was normally 18mpg, occasionally on light traffic days I'd see 19mpg...all calculated manually as the truck didn't have the fancy digital trip computer LOL. The 4.30 gears made it nice for towing, but made it less fuel efficient overall, however if you wanna tow, you want the higher numerical gear ratio numbers...lower numerically gives you better fuel economy but less towing ability in the hills.
My 99 Dodge Ram 1500 RC 4x4 with the 318 and 5 speed would get 25mpg on the highway all the time, but if I towed with it, it sucked because of the 3.55 gear ratio'd axles.
You would get the best fuel economy at speeds on the interstate below 35 MPH.
Good?. Old HD diesels got 25 mpg. This is an expensive, ❤polluting alternative to a gas engine.
25 mpg 😂 yeah maybe going 55 mph downhill and having 180hp while belching out smoke under the slightest load. These newer diesels are cleaner to operate than the gasoline alternatives.
Iowa 80. Kinda made me wish I could try out their Hungryman breakfast. At least now I can since the borders are opened.
Not bad I’m getting about 18.3 on my drive from az to nm and back in my 2000 7.3 excursion , no def tank tho haha, I’m thinking of getting a tune that should help with mpg.
Thats about what i get in my duramax 2500
You can't compare that to the ram, driving flat roads vs the mountains from Vegas to Denver
Hold up. You said the Ram has a "smaller" 31 gallon tank. You failed to mention the optional FIFTY GALLON tank, bringing the total to 81 gallons. That's BIGGER than Ford's!!!!!