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you guys have done now 3 towing range tests and 0 none towing tests with a EV thats not designed to be a tow vehicle. I would like to see just a normal range test seeing as how 99.9% of people won't be towing with their Hummer.
Ok how far would the ram go with 3,000# of diesel to feed off ? If you're going off pure energy density wouldn't that be the best way to do it ? Conversely you could do a “loaded test” in EVs favour & only fuel up the ram with 6 gal of diesel to see where they each run out.
I wouldn't mind a hybrid Honda Grom that has small little electric hybrid system for getting moving and then the little engine geared to get the top speed a little faster. That way I could actually mob around my town for pennies on the dollar even more than already without being stuck unable to drive in the major roads because a normal Grom can't maintain 60mph up a good gradient. I love the Grom but man it would be so much easier to actually want to keep around long term if I could pull up a hill without people hating me for being slow. I want my Grom to feel like it's on steroids without having aftermarket parts on it reducing long term reliability. With the same super small form factor for comedic effect of course. The Grom should be a whole product line if you ask me. An all electric, a hybrid, and a gas only. Maybe make it a 175cc just so the gas only doesn't feel as anemic idk. I'm sure a few good braincells together could pull it off It would be cool if it was like a belt drive hybrid type of system. Less chain lubing which I hate. I like the scooter tires for ease of replacement and the very small form factor though because it's super affordable and really easy to tuck away in the corner of the garage. Parts super affordable ECT. I just hate chain maintenance and for 4k I think a Grom should be able to hold 60mph up a hill from factory. My old accord is 5500 dollars and Its hard to justify nearly the same money for something that struggles up a hill. If they upgraded the powertrian and made it even a 150 or 175 but kept the small form factor and introduced a hybrid system, maybe you can get 200 miles per gallon and go faster than ever before while remaining with a huge chunk of aftermarket support that would still exist for many parts. If they made the engine a little bigger than 125 maybe it would last more miles. I've seen guys ride the crap out of groms and the engines seem to tap out at about 50k miles because it's a little engine working very hard. If it was hybrid it would only need very small easy to replace battery and the engine would be less strained and would last longer. I watched a video of a guy wheelie his from out of the front door of a dealership when he bought it and broke a plastic piece immediately 😂 I'm not a wheelie popper but lots of Grom guys are so I'm surprised a few of these plastic pieces aren't built a little tougher. I want to sit on a tiny Honda Grom, get 200 mpg and feel like I'm on a rocket ship. I like to switch through gears too though. I don't like fully automatic motorcycles. So it's complicated and I understand I'm a hard person to please when I want certain requirements with several technologies that might be difficult to mold together in a way I would be willing to buy
These electric trucks are only good if they can be used as power backup for a house in a rural area type situation. Otherwise as just a truck, I don't know.
We're just now starting to develop electrics for towing and hauling. I just bought a gasoline truck; by the time it's worn-out, electrics might be practical for long distance towing of an RV. As usual, I'm waiting for the early adopters to work the bugs out.
Thats awesome the charge was free, but let's use the numbers to find out the future cost. The Hummer charged from 7% to 51% for $37.41 according to the EA charger. So $0.85 for each 1%. At that rate it would cost $79 to charge the Hummer to 100%. Hummer cost per mile: $79 ÷ 123 miles = $0.64 per mile. Cummins cost per mile: $105 ÷ 211 miles = $0.49 per mile
Now imagine if the current nutjob administration screwing things up wasn't in power and diesel was cheap like it use to be. I drove out to my hunting property this weekend to go setup a new game camera in my Jeep JK. It's 186 miles to there and the same coming back for a total of 372 miles. Lots of hills and driving against the wind too that killed my mileage. Back when 87 octane gas was $1.85 a gallon it wasn't a thing. Now I wince every time I have to fuel up the Jeep at $3.40 a gallon 🤬
@@DFDalton1962 also, with a gas or diesel vehicle, you could bring a gas can along if you do run out of fuel. It would be enough to get to a station in most cases.
@@subvertedworld I looked into it more and I think there isn't 1000 years of oil. My issue is no one seems to have accurate numbers. They tell me there is 44 billion barrels, they tell me there is 264 billion barrels. So in 5-10 years will they be saying there is 750 billion or not? Because if our demand doesn't increase at all, if their is only 44 billion and USA consumes 20 million per day, that's only 6 years worth of oil. If USA has 264 billion, If demand doesn't go up at all, that's 36 years worth. If In ten years they tell us there is only 750 billion barrels, if demand doesn't increase at all, that's only 100 years. And demand is increasing... And there definitely isn't enough lithium and lithium electric clearly is not worth it. We're on track to run out of lithium long before oil I think. Unless we find an ungodly amount more. Now I think hydrogen gas a chance but not if we do it wrong. There is enough water in the oceans for the world to be on hydrogen for 10,000 years without sucking too much to harm oceanlife too badly. So that eliminates the running out problem for at least a very long time. Only issue is hydrogen comes with it's own set of problems. For one, tons of salt we csnt just dump right back in without killing everything. Then if the hydrogen vehicles store the Hydrogen in form of gas, they can explode easily. Hydrogen production plant blow up easy. Like worse than nuclear bomb man... So instead kf hydrogen plants what we'd need is water de-salting plants, and then they way we can pump the water like gas and have it converted to jusy enough hydrogen to keep the vehicles running so they won't spontaneously blow up. Only issue is that's a lot of crap to throw onto a vehicle and it might not be logically adequate. Plus water is not self lubricating like oil is. You pump oil through pipes and it lubricates itself. Water erodes, it doesn't lube. So that's going to cause some big problems. It's complex man
These electric trucks have been nothing but disappointments. The Lightning was pretty horrible at everything and the Hummer has been pretty bad too so far. Let's be real, these electric trucks are for people who just drive to the office and Starbucks and don't really need a truck in the first place.
LOL that's what happens when you take a box and throw some batteries in it LOL.... Like I keep saying in other comments small cars sedans first then crossovers then pick ups until we get this battery technology more advanced because right now most of these electric cars and trucks are just luxury toys...
When they talk about the energy density they show how insanely stupid and inefficient EV cars are… pulling a „gigantic“ travel trailer, 5000 lbs… that’s one of the lightest camping trailer before you go with a pop-up
@@freedomisnotnegotiable Yeah I know you aren't really going to find a cheap one. I'm not a big fan of EV's at all but could see the benefit of a very small economical one that would be used for daily driving/commuting. Right now they're just toys for rich liberals.
I would go with the Ram! I could fill up about 450+ times with the money saved in the purchase price between the two trucks not to mention the time saved at each fill up! You have to love the Ram!
@@nbk9nbk1 that one was sold for 68k compared to the hummers 114k sale price which does total out to about 460 one hundred dollar fill ups. Multiply that by the 211 mile range covered for said fuel up and it's coming out to 97k miles before the ram costs as much as the initial sticker for the hummer ev but this is not factoring how much the hummer is going to cost to continue charging so it'll probably be over a decade before the hummer ev and this Cummins are equal in total cost sunk. Absolutely not worth it given most new cars and especially EVs, won't be on the road for decades like diesels.
This is the math that consumer doesn't do. The same math can be applied to other EV vehicles as well. Until the price is 1:1 with ICE and EV... The cost difference doesn't make sense.
@@fastfreeks You're probably more right than you think. The Wokies don't like suburban sprawl. They'd rather have us crammed into cities, stacked on top of each other without the ability to travel more than a few miles unless it's on 'approved' public transportation.
They wouldn't make it -- there are stretches of more than 130 miles of no electricity fast charging. The trip would be charger to charger only. LOL SORRY TO WHOECER BUYS THIS TRASH HHAHAHAHA
If you want to do any long distance towing with electric trucks, the bed of the truck is so you can bring a big generator. The frunk is for all of the fuel cans you’ll need.
@Scuba Steve 100% false. Electric Aircraft batteries using batteries manufactured in Sweden can be charged in as little as 30 minutes and give the aircraft a flight range of over 500 miles.
The Ram costs half as much. The Ram diesel has 2.5x the range. The Ram can fill up completely in 10 minutes. The Ram can pull in and pull out to fill up. The Ram does not need to un-hook and re-hook the trailer for fueling. The EV pumps, if occupied already, may take awhile to be free for use.
@@rockwallcares5084 5 years might be a bit extreme. Probably last longer. But the battery capacity can and will decline over the years making it more and more obsolete when compared to diesel vehicles which, in fact, slightly increase their fuel economy after being well broken-in following years of driving.
As someone who has towed a 30' 10k lbs Toy Hauler from Florida to Alaska round trip, I'd like to stress how important range is to lowering stress in towing. Having the range to make it to your destination without having to refuel hooked up is a game changer in towing. I have a Cummins Ram and added a 90 gallon DOT legal Aux fuel tank and can easily tow 1100 miles without refueling. Granted that's a little overkill for most people, but I was on the ALCAN in March. Adding a 30 gal Aux tank will give a modern diesel around a 500-600 mile range towing, which is more than most people want to go in one day anyway.
Exactly. I added a 40gal aux tank to supplement my 34gal main tank. Takes so much stress out of a trip and allows us to pick and choose where we get diesel weighing both cost and convenience due to our towing a travel trailer. That tank is single best addition I made to our tow rig and it is slim enough that I still have use of the majority of the bed. EV trucks aren't there yet for towing especially trailers such as 5th wheels, goosenecks or anything with a substantial frontal wind load. No way we could make the trips we do stopping every hundred miles for 45min to an hour waiting to charge. Get a huge headwind in Western Kansas on I-70? That Hummer wouldn't go 50 miles with a trailer.
My old Dodge has a towing range of 370 miles. I generally start looking at around 250-300 because I need to stretch anyways. Life it too short to have range anxiety.
@@vardashan I completely agree. The tank is the single best thing I added also. I have about $2k in my setup, but it's integrated into the truck computer, and is completely automatic. Absolutely worth the money.
That's incredible. Whenyou account for aftermarket fuel tanks I forgot about, you could have those installed and still be in far under the cost of the Hummer too and gave way more range. Even more than you probably even realistically need shot of a fuel crisis caused for one reason or another. But they're is also 44 billion gallons of known oil resevers in USA too. So fuel shortage is unlikely even if cost fluctuates it'll probably not run out
@@vardashan yep and just imagine running out of battery in the middle of a cold, dark, country road. IF you can get a tow truck they can’t give you gas. You can beg them for a ride, while your $150,000 electric SUV sits on the road side, with no battery power. How are you going to get it out of there? Towing a 9500lb electric hummer? What about your trailer? What if you had kids? Disaster!!
@@ethanlinderman8833 Nit wits forget that process exists for some reason. Or the motor oil, filters, and other associated maintenance costs of the ICE.
@@ethanlinderman8833 Don't forget all the other products on Earth that must have petrochemicals to be made!!! Almost everything we have is made using fossil fuels.. Gasoline and diesel only make up 35% of a barrel of crude oil.
@@ytthecommunistplatform.2675 Fast charging is only used on road trips. Most EV owners charge overnight at home. It's cheaper and you wake up with a full charge every morning.
I've been stating this for years now, EV's are great in the city and short trips but when it comes to long distance driving and towing, diesel is king. This is why I have my diesel 4x4 for towing my boat and my EV for every day driving around my local city. Great video gents.
Exactly..had 2 Tesla model x cars, top battery, loaded. Good for about 180 miles, at most. Never towed anything. Went Vegas once, totally stressful, had to stop twice. About 300 miles away. $150K car, good for around town or short trips only.
@@ethanmurray2203 Thank you for this honest answer/explanation. I am a dentist with a 7 mile commute, so an ideal EV owner, right? But I just unloaded my F250 after pulling a gooseneck trailer, utility tractor, 2 UTVs, 2 young boys and a deer 90 miles back from my hunting camp where I used 4x4 all weekend. I filled up Monday, drove to work all week, made the 180 mile round trip drive pulling 10klbs and still have 58 miles in the tank. So mon-fri, I’m the ideal EV guy, but come the weekend, I’m rarely w/o a boat or hunting gear. I’ve considered a Tesla, but it would be a total waste of money and resources.
@@chadgardnerdds3197 Especially if you have a big solar system, or live in a place without crazy electric rates, like here in San Diego. Keep the truck for hauling, electric car for running around town. They are fun to drive. See if tax credits are available too.
@@ethanmurray2203 I’m in rural Louisiana living on 58 acres with 35+ acres of pastureland being used for hay since my daughter moved college and no longer barrel races. I have been approached about a solar farm being put on the pastures, but I am better off selling the hay and my homestead being a legitimate farm business. I’ve looked into it and the benefits of a solar farm are not great in my state. I realize that wasn’t your point, but I’m just saying it’s strange that an area receiving 8+ hours of very intense sunlight per day is not better incentivized. Regardless, I’m not going to spend $100k+ on a Tesla, although I do think they are cool, when I only burn 2-3 gallons per work day, then an unknown amount on weekends. I just don’t see how the benefits are there when I factor in insurance, another payment, maintenance, etc but I could definitely be wrong.
I love that you guys are talking about energy density and comparing true energy efficiency. Something so many people are confused about! Well explained, thank you.
Something just hit me based on energy density: He would have paid $40 for the electricity equivalent to 6 gallons of diesel. That would have worked out to over $6.70 for a "gallon" of electricity. It shocks me that the super-charger is more expensive than gas.
@@DSArmageddon666 When i first got my EV non fast charging was free. I've since moved to Colorado and they charge a pretty high amount for all public charging and home electricity in general. After doing the average math, if fuel is under $4 a gallon then i'm spending more to drive the EV plus the wait time for charging.
@@DSArmageddon666 Yeah, gas/diesel has always been an excellent value of energy per dollar, at least in the US historically. The other numbers to keep in mind is charging at home would be more like $9-12 worth of electricity for that same amount of energy depending where you live. For most, the vast majority of charging is likely to be done at home, so weigh that in. The other factor is an EV can generally do a lot more with a given amount of energy, so even in scenarios where you pay more per kWh than gas, you can do more with it due to the higher efficiency. In some cases at least.
Look up dry state batteries. This is the only long-term chance Ev has, but if you look them up so far the smallest, they can make the tech is way too big for automotive use. However, a dry state that is 8ft by 8ft by 8ft can power a city of 250k people for a day. Don't quote me on that exactly, but it is impressive. I, however, am on team hydrogen for the future, and for the moment, team propane. The old 5.7 really rips on propane.
@@bigrob6076 what do you mean by the 5.7 and propane? Got a video I can look up? Yeah Im supporting Cummins with my money how I can since they're working hard on hydrogen. I believe the battery technology is already there, but the shielding or whatever isn't.
Not only battery but chargers in small towns aren't up to the task. And there are only a very small number of EV rigs on the road relative to number of cars
I would love you guys to do a tow test in Canada with this electric vs diesel in our actual winter temps. -20 to -40 degree temps and see that 125 miles shrink down to 75 miles.
I think that you can cut that down to kilometers instead... PLUS, cut that again down to only @ 70 km in those temperatures if you're towing & driving uphill.
Thank you amateur scientists, for proving just how amateur you are. Batteries are more efficient and electrical systems in general at low temperature. That's why super conductors etc have to be cooled to close to absolute zero (-270 C) to work well. Whereas, on very cold nights, diesel will turn to jelly.
@@distanceismyplastercast You don't have to be a scientist to figure out batteries do not like cold weather. You just have to use battery operated equipment in cold weather to figure it out. In the cold the heater will have to use the battery for heat and for the blower motor. Gas/diesel uses the heat generated by the engine to heat your vehicle. Unless you like frosted windows and cold feet your range will drop.
@@kenkinniph2327 Get a brain. The only truth in your answer is that gas engines make a lot of heat. That's because most of the energy released us as heat and very little us actually used to make the car move forward. Guess during your vast experience with electric motors you've never noticed that they get hot too and that heat can also be used for air conditioning. Difference is only 10% of the energy is as heat, and 90% is used to make the car move.
Definitely just upgrade from f150 to f250. Their will be lots of people who will want to buy it when you're done because they need a hard working tough truck compared to pavement princess lifestyle type Hummer
To be fair in extreme low temps diesels struggle as well...For me electrics arent an option yet but I think they will get there in the end I need at least 1000 miles in range and fast charging capability which apparently the new blade batteries due next year can do..Have to wait and see.
Low temperatures don't affect diesel engines as much as you think. Millions of diesel powered semi trucks run all season long when the temps are 100+ or -40 hauling up to 80,000 pounds. No ev on the market is going to come close to that currently.
@@warhound7781 Low temperatures do affect diesels those trucks you are talking about take special measures to ensure they run in low temperatures and if they shut down for too long it takes a lot to get them started again.
@@shadowbanned5164 Try again, it's not the 1970s with mechanical injection, poor viscosity oils and untreated fuel. Never had an issue where sub zero cold weather has prevented any diesel truck I had from starting in the last 30 years. But what do I know...lmao
So if that charging station was full you could have spent hours waiting to get charged. If it was cold out you might not had enough power left to get in the charging station after trying to stay warm in your EV !
I think I noticed a price of 43 cents per KWH on the charger. That's almost 4 times what I'm paying for my service at home. Like you said EVs are toys at this point.
@Ed Darby the diesel was getting 9.7 mpg. Here in CT diesel is $6 gallon so a little over $0.60 per mile in the diesel vs $0.70 in the hummer assuming your juicing up at a fast charging stainless
@@SteegeFish That's what chase vehicles are for, that and the external camera views going down the road. It would do well to have at least one reliable ICE vehicle along.
That's an interesting point that still needs to be addressed for EVs, perhaps by a towable battery, from which the EV can run directly from until it reaches the next charging station... and that towable battery can even be delivered without the need of a tow truck, which is certainly always better than having to wait for a tow truck.
Let's do the same test 5-10yrs down the road after the battery has degraded and the diesel truck will still have all its power. That would be interesting
@@jghall00 Yeah keep telling yourself that. There's no way an electric vehicle will outlast a diesel. The cost of diesel is high because of the current administration. Bring the prices down and the diesel blows the electric crap out of the water.
I work in disaster management and was just in Florida. The salt water storm surge was causing ion lithium batteries in electric vehicles and bicycles catching fire. I saw numerous houses that were not only flooded but also burned to the ground from the vehicle batteries melting down. Also thank you for the video I've been wondering how far an electric vehicle could tow a camper. My camper weighs about 9000lbs with all our gear w/o water on board. There's no way the hummer could pull it.
Diesel truck can also fill right up to 100% of its range in 5-10 minutes at the pump. Not 30-60 minutes just to go from 20%-70% (which is only 50% total).
The whole infrastructure will have to change if it takes 60 minutes to charge your vehicle....what are you going to do during that time? ....going to have to be cafes, coffee shops and restrooms or in my state a place to get out of the heat.
I know, my girlfriend has a Tesla. So inconvenient letting it charge while we're shopping instead of stopping at a gas station and paying more than three times as much for the same distance. Or that 30 minutes we had to stop every three hours when we drove up from LA. And don't get me started on those silly solar panels we got that cover our house's energy consumption and generate enough to get 600 miles every month before we start consuming from the grid. EV: Upfront espensive ICE: Long term expensive
I thought he want from 7% to 50% in that 40 minutes time. This also confused me. if it took him nearly 100% charge to get to charging station, how will he get back to denver with only 50% of the charge?
@@rusty2381 yeah but it will take a while to spend the difference in cost compared to an EV. 68k vs 115k. gonna take a while to spend that much in gas and maintenance.
The true struggles right there, need to find a charger and then sit and wait for others to get done, sounds like a blast...... hours sitting around to charge up and to wait for others to get done
One thing not mentioned was the wasted time charging , Also I noticed in the charging cost if they had to pay was $37.75 . The Cummins cost for fuel was 75.00 and went twice the distance as compared to the Hummer . So the hummer costing more per mile to drive than the Dodge , I'd love to see how long that pretty hummer would stand up on the farm pulling gravity bins full of grain. I'd also like to see the hummer after 350,000 miles and how long before the battery would need to be replaced . I have a 2008 Ram 6.7 cummins with over 200,000 miles and still looks and runs like new .
I worked at a grain elevator for five years. It would be very interesting. Those wagons are no joke. They are HEAVY. I think you would make one trip into the elevator and the hummer would be about dead lol
For comparison, Ford is stating that, worst case, an F-150 Lightning owner would have to replace their entire battery pack every 5 or so years...at a cost of $35K! Can you imagine the disappointment of having to put another $7,000 a year ($583/month) into battery-related maintenance on a $100,000+ truck?!?!
I bet that $40 charge he mentioned would only be for one charge 120 miles so it would be $120 total and at least 1 1/2 hours to charge not 15 minutes to fill up diesel. Still like the Hummer because it’s nice but they don’t compare when driving distance
Also, don't forget the government has increased all fossil fuel prices in order to push the electric vehicle narrative. Secondly, where do you think the electricity is coming from to charge the electric vehicles? Hint, fossil fuels. Electric vehicles cost more to produce in carbon footprint than a fossil fuel vehicle. Volvo did a 5 year study, that didn't include any recharging of the battery, maintenance, etc. A new mid sized sedan can be driven 52,000 miles before the carbon footprint equals that of the electric vehicle production cost. A truck, example the hummer, you can drive a fossil fueled truck 92,000 miles before the carbon footprint equals that of the electric vehicle production cost.
These videos will be used in history lessons in another 100 years. You guys are really showing the progression of the electric vehicle against what could be the last generation of the I.C.E. There is no way an electric vehicle could replace my truck at this point but at the rate things are evolving I could possibly see it in another 10 years.
Another hilarious electric vehicle video! Why Next time, just put a big honkin’ diesel generator in the trailer with 20 extra gallons and charge the Dummer along the side of the road while you take a nice long long nap (earplugs sold separately). That way you don’t have to unhook the trailer and go the opposite direction from what you intended. Or take the $60,000 saved from buying the diesel to pay for 400 fill-ups of $150 each. 100,000 free miles!
Any video without Tommy is great. Tommy seems like a good dude, but he’s unbearable to watch and listen to. He’s got a face for radio and a voice for deaf people.
I beg to differ. His dad Roman owns TFL. If he didn’t, do you think Tommy would be reviewing vehicles? He’s absolutely terrible! I don’t have anything against him and he seems like a good dude, but it doesn’t mean he’s good at his job. He’s a dork and literally painful to watch and listen to.
I must say that is the first real comparison video that I've seen. I've always felt my rough numbers can't prove EV being more beneficial in the long run. Even if costs were close, how long would it have taken to get a full charge on the Hummer if I was going on a long trip vs. time filling a full tank of fuel?
The one thing I havent heard you guys mention is that if you look inside of an electric vehicle owners manual. There is an algorithm of how many fast charges that you are supposed to perform per slow charges. As you surpass that your battery warranty starts to get cut down. So if you have a battery issue at year 5 and your warranty goes to 6 years but you used fast charging alot your warranty might be out.
Most drivers don't average 200 miles a week That means you'd hardly use a vDC charger and would use nighttime reduced charge rates of under, $.12 cents a Kw
No one is talking about the fact that you get 11 gallons of diesel from a 42-gallon barrel of oil either. No one is talking that the barrel of oil is priced at $80+, which means your diesel is underpriced, and that diesel is still more expensive than the electricity, which is profitable in each stage.
@@JimbobZ17 This is what happens when the product is no longer a byproduct, but it is the real product. In other words, diesel couldn't be used for as many vehicles as it is, which is exactly why the price is too low, but for some reason, these economics escape you. The only people who have been getting ripped off is the guy you are selling your vehicle to.
Nobody talks about resale value in these comparisons. I know, I know, there is not a lot of comparable EVs out there. But, what I'm seeing in my area is 2500 series, crew cab, 4wd diesels with 200,000+ miles are selling in the mid $20k to low $30k range. I think when you start getting to the end of the battery life cycle, the resale value is going to take a huge hit.
Resale of Ev's is really high right now as stock is hard to come by. I could probably sell my almost 5 year old EV for the same price as I bought it for right now. In the future it might be hard to sell a ICE vehicle as new laws come into place on EV sales as well as more and more people wanting an EV with more affordable options coming out as well. I have not lost any range on my EV at all as well. I don't put high miles on it as it is mostly a city car but so far it has been great.
End of its resale value...in 25 years. Even then it will still have value, just not like-new value. The EV market in the past shows EV's retain a lot of their value regardless of mileage or age because of how reliable they are, and how long their batterys last. I could go buy a 7 year old Tesla from 2015 with 100K miles and i'd almost run identical to its first day off the lot.
Same for me. Well said. When TFL talks about going up the big hill on the "Ike" I'm right with them, and its difficult to appreciate if you've never driven it, even in a car with no trailer.
Very true...live in Northern New England (NH)…but having spent 5.5 years driving up/down I-70/I-25 and all around the front range living in Lakewood Colorado, I feel pretty much the same way you do, about real-world context.
I don't care if those batteries last forever. I'm not waiting to charge my vehicle or praying that there is a charging station along the way. EVs are amazing tech but they are severely limited when it comes to range and they are really expensive
With a 2004 Ram 2500 Cummins towing a 33' 10k travel trailer it got around 10-11 mpg. With a tune it now gets 16 mpg. We normally travel right around 65-67 mph. This is because it doesn't have all the emissions stuff. I have to wonder how much better these new Cummins engines would do without the burden of all the emissions stuff.
With my 97 Ram 4x4 12v towing a box trailer roughly the same weight as they did in this test at 61-63mph I get 17-18 mpg. With the newer computer engines they have something called the 3rd injection event which injects more fuel for the sole purpose of emissions and making the engine quieter. It does not contribute to power at all, it just throws fuel away. Your tune most likely got rid of the 3rd injection event or at least modified it. If you can still do that on the newest engines they should also get a similar increase in fuel economy.
@@jeepinintexas6215 You're right, it would be similar to how a diesel locomotive works or an earth mover. 2 of which are proven vehicles, just scaling the tech down.
@@jeepinintexas6215 i wouldn't mind seeing that kind of tech in Tacomas. Diesel, gas, and diesel electirc hybrid and gas electirc hybrid. Idk. I think the 2500s and f250s would benefit from being both diesel, gas and both have optional hybrids as well. It would be more complex and unreliable than just has or diesel only but also the option of them being available also would fill a gap. An all electric Hummer isn't good enough and diesel has TONS of energy in just 1 gallon that could be recouped into a battery to help get moving withcthe big loads. Would be very complex vehicles and expensive but probably still significantly less than a 115k Hummer EV that can't compete.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss it would be cool but I would just like to have a sane leadership in the country again and Jeep Gladiator for my pickup truck. I want a diesel engine that hasn't been neutered by emissions devices brought on by EPA regulations.
Mercedes makes Diesel Plug ins for some of their cars, i think that combo would be interesting for pickup trucks. A small diesel combined with a 25-30kwh battery or so. The diesel is enough to maintain cruising speed on long journeys and would get great mileage. Daily commute and errands could be done on battery alone, power and torque should be plenty from the two engines, even Volvo plug ins get 400+ hp now lol
That ram can tow that trailer AND the Hummer and go much further on one go. Meanwhile if that Hummer gets stuck in traffic you're gonna have to cut a hole in the bottom so you can move it the old Fred Flintstone way.
This is one case where the EV will win. When you are caught in stop and go traffic the EV will use very little energy (could last for days) while the ICE will still be using significant fuel. At 80 miles an hour it's a different story...
@@nicksmith4808 Every computer, every light, every thing in that EV is using power from the battery. You can't just seat in a turned off car forever. Hell I can't seat in my black tundra for more than 3 minutes in the summer after driving for 3 hours with the ac on after I turn the truck off. The heat builds up so fast that you'll be sweating buckets in 5 minutes. It's stupid to think that an EV only uses power to MOVE the EV.
Great comparison and breakdown! I can't base my trips - right now- on whether or not I should turn around to charge and only make it 100 to 150 miles. Waiting 30 minutes between on the road and off at a charging station. Great job working the numbers!
Excellent replies to the comments from everyone. We can all see that there is nothing to gain from going green and everything to lose! Just the way for those in power to maintain the power they have and to control us working people. The old chant people what do you have to lose? Nothing but your chains kind of mean something once again
Great video about the real costs of diesel v battery. Clearly we are not there yet when it comes to towing and long range travel. Hummer will be great for short distance, city and off road only. I like the electric Hummer a lot but this video was very helpful regarding the limitations of electric full size trucks. Thank you!
Also with the Hummer you likely will be looking at a battery replacement down the road that will cost half as much as the Ram truck did. You should do another test where you both go camping at the same place and have the same start time like you’re getting out of work at 5PM on Friday and have to be back to work on Monday morning. See how many more hours at the campground the guy in the Ram gets while the other guy is stopping to recharge on the way. I was surprised though by the mileage for the Ram, I thought it would be better since that was such a small trailer. I had a 2008 F-250 with the 6.8L V-10 and I got about 8.5-9mpg hauling a 40’ fifth wheel that was real close to the maximum rating of 14,000# for the truck.
Yes, ev batteries are very expensive. However, they do not require the maintenance that a gas/ diesel engine does. I Read that the hummer battery will be covered for 10 years or 150,000, whichever comes first. Do that math on how much it will cost to maintain a gas fueled engine across that amount of time or distance. It’ll pretty much even out over time.
Before it even hits the streets that ev has polluted more than the diesel. Lithium mines (for the batteries) are environmentally filthy. Wind and solar panels too. However, that particular ev was mostly fueled by coal, since Colorado's electricity is mainly coal powered.
@@marcsarfati3291 No 'Gotcha'.....we're supposed to be protecting Mother Earth here...not just trying to eliminate pollution in one spot. And...I 'gotcha' back with the fact that modern motor vehicles are VERY clean running, so much so that in many areas the exhaust coming out is cleaner than the air going in. Gotcha!
They need to build a hybrid heavy duty. Use the electric motors to move the truck and diesel to power it. Both can be setup so they are running at peak efficiency,
As a person who pulls trailers this size over the divide frequently, I can tell you that you won't gain a thing on the way down. If I put my truck in neutral and coast down the highway passes, I lose speed due to the wind resistance of the trailer. It would be different on low-speed mountain roads, for instance driving down Golden Gate Canyon, I'm sure it would pick up some charge.
Keep in mind in order to regenerate any sizeable amount of power, the truck would need to induce voltage that would act like braking. So add up wind resistance and the braking effect, you wouldn’t gain much if anything.
I agree that electric can be more efficient but at $114,000. You can replace the 31 gallon tank for a 70 gallon tank and add another 100 gallon fuel cell to the diesel and get more range, which you can’t do to the electric.
I would love to see you really test the electric truck in a real world tuff towing here in eastern ky where the grades are 12to 16 % almost all curves no straight always and up and down and no charging infrastructure to see what options people living in mountain areas that don’t have highways and interstates that’s my challenge to u lol
Yes test in eastern Ky and make sure they both start off equal, ~120kwh full charge in the hummer and the equivalent 4 gallons of gas only (33.7 kWh = 1 gallon of gas) in the ICE truck. Oh and no refuelling for the ICE ( just to be fair with the “no charging infrastructure”).
Same thing in southwestern pa and West Virginia. Nothing but mountains and hills and sometimes its hard to find a gas station with diesel so an ev is out of the question. I find it funny when people even say they can pull 8k with a 1/2 ton. Maybe in Texas where it's all flat, but around here anything over 2 ton you're gonna need a diesel before you burn up a gasser
Yeah that would be a nice concept I never understood how come the big truck manufacturers haven't done some type of diesel electric hybrid setup instead of trying to go full EV...
Hybrid tech is most beneficial in stop and go driving. When towing over the road you are burning fuel. The electrification doesn't play any role. You end up burning the same amount of fuel.
With my '99 Dodge 3500 dually with the 5.9 Cummins, empty, I can travel from Johnson City, TN to Texarkana, AR, which is 777 miles, on one tank of fuel. I have a 35 gallon tank, and when I took the trip I averaged 23 mpg which comes out to a range of 800 miles. I'd have to charge an EV at least twice along the way and lose a minimum of about 2 hours to charge, where it'll only take 15 minutes to fill up my diesel.
Time is the killer. Your estimate assumes the chargers will work and work properly and at top charging power. The reality is that it will take much longer then 2 hours to charge a truck. I am definitely a diesel proponent especially since they put DEF in it to clean it up. The diesel industry did all this work to find a better way and the leftists just try constantly to close down the diesel industry. It's insane.
@@phil4986 You're right, I was basing everything on perfect conditions that the developers and manufacturers of the EVs claim. The factors that I didn't include and the manufacturers don't tell you is how weather conditions effect range and charge times on the batteries.
@@mikeadams2677 You did say 'the minimum' so you were being fair. Hoovies on TH-cam just sold his co-owned, brand new, Ford Electric pickup truck because of HALF the range in the cold without towing anything. Ford had the gall to say, in the instructions for more range to turn off the heater. So much for defrosting your windshield.
Someone did the math in another comment. "Thats awesome the charge was free, but let's use the numbers to find out the future cost. The Hummer charged from 7% to 51% for $37.41 according to the EA charger. So $0.85 for each 1%. At that rate it would cost $79 to charge the Hummer to 100%. Hummer cost per mile: $79 ÷ 123 miles = $0.64 per mile. Cummins cost per mile: $105 ÷ 211 miles = $0.49 per mile"
Nicely done. Straightforward comparison and very interesting. The math review was perfect. I have driven that route many times. I was surprised by the low payload on the Hummer. My previous truck, a GMC Canyon Denali, has about the same payload. I ran the numbers and decided I needed a new Silverado with 500 lbs. more payload for our camper. I went with gas, but I really like the Duramax.
Exactly... HYBRIDS are great... Thats why I still have my Prius even after buying a new Ram 3 months ago.... But I will NEVER buy a fully electric car... We aren't there yet
What I find freaking hilarious here is the cummins averaging 9.7 mpg pulling a 6000lb trailer... my 5th wheel camper is 11,000lbs that I pull with my f250 and since some very specific stuff has fallen off the bottom of the truck and off the passenger side of the engine I average 15mpg. 🤣🤣🤣
I do small deliveries for a company I work for at most. It's a ton or 2 in a trailer on a pickup they want to go electric. The more i watch these towing comparisons, the more interesting i think it's going to be.
Right now, it's hard to call an EV Truck "all-purpose" which most of us associate with a pick-up. There are some wins though it may be awhile before they equalize.
I would love to see more Disel Hybrids.. Add some capacitors and a small battery bank to take advantage of regenerative braking .. Should not even need an engine brake .
@@mikeskidmore6754 if you’re meaning the Ram (dodge) etorque system, that uses something like a 1.8kw battery that really only works during auto start/stop. It’s a pointless “hybrid” (in the loosest terms) to get some credit from the epa, that gains nothing for the end user.
I did appreciate the talk about the numbers and how much energy each vehicle has on board, haven't heard anyone actually compare on paper a ICE vs a EV. They may be more efficient but the battery tech isn't there. It would be tough but it would be cool to see a life cycle comparison for cost and total emissions to see just how green EV's are or aren't.
Well i just got few more aspects to consider : for example not sure if US have any pollution taxation but in Europe from 2020 European parliament added a new pollution tax for all ICE vehicles and that must be payed on all EU countries even by tourists that transit all countries that are members of EU.. another aspect they don't tell about is servicing because on long term use ICE have lots of consumables to be changed (filters, oil, rubber belts & hoses, rollers, gaskets & O-rings, water pump, cooling liquid, fuel pump, spark-plugs, brakes liquid, transmission fluid, all according to user manual exploitation so this comparison shows only one side, but for example a 10 year owning would be in advantage of BEV for less overall costs only insurance to pay and charging fees (no pollution taxation, less consumables & parts to be changed less hours spent in service less man/ labor payments) overall > smaller bills.. another important fact recently included on most major cities (in Europe) that if you want to go in weekends with family or friends with ICE cars in center of city to a good restaurant, gelaterie-ice-cream shop, kandy/cake/chocolate-shop, pizza & pasta, or to see local tourist attractions, museums, art gallery, opera, theatre-gardens, parks, castles.. etc is hard because authorities signed another EU rule that all ICE (diesel & petrol) vehicles can not be driven down town on any center streets of the city only allowed from airport to peripheral hotels.. for all BEV hybrids included the rule will not apply ( no worries because most services like taxis/uber/bolt already use full EV's across Europe).. So if we sum up and see all aspects on 10 years owning the BEV would totally win specially since very few people tow anything in EU, if they really need to move something big stuff furniture, paintings, big hardware etc.. they will definitely hire or rent moving services with lorries..
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Diesel is only 30% more energy dense than regular gas. The problem is that ICE energy efficiency is under 40% and has been for decades. Improvements are only incremental, while electric motor efficiency is over 90% and batteries are improving constantly. The only consumer application batteries can't handle is long distance towing. Solid state batteries and high silicon anodes are coming and will remedy that deficiency.
For the next time, could you guys head west from Boulder Colorado and see if you could make it to Lake Granby, Frisco, or Vail in the Hummer/Ram trucks towing those trailers. That would really put a load on the vehicles making that climb in elevation.
Again, this efficiency conversion is silly. The amount of energy a Hummer uses from its battery isn't the bottom line, as it doesn't account for the cost/waste of generating and transmitting its power. How efficient is the grid? How much power is wasted by a turbine plant? How much power is wasted by power lines and transformers? How much power is wasted at the charger itself? In total, how much fossil fuel is used to make the equivalent? Ultimately, MPGe is a meaningless metric, because it ignores all the gallons wasted just making the equivalent gallon, so no point in conversions.
Natural gas power plants run at about 62% efficiency (coal and oil are much worse), transmission and charging is close to 90% (let's call it 85% to be generous). Gas/Diesel engines are at best 50% efficient (most are less), and that doesn't include the energy costs of refining. When you include the fact that on average in the US renewables are 27% of the total power generated then electric is better than fuel (marginally). If you live in the Pacific Northwest which is powered by the Hoover Dam (or Toronto which is >90% hydroelectric) then the calculations are irrelevant.
@@robertharris1748 Whether you're being entirely accurate or not, I won't debate the accuracies of your comment, because it essentially reinforces my point. Even if we say 50% power efficiency in total, from generation to your your EV's wheels, that only extends the emissions breakeven point even further, if there even is a breakeven point, which is already an uphill climb simply due to the fact that production emissions of an EV is greater than an ICE vehicle.
@@AkioWasRight like I say, it depends where you live. When the technology is more mature and battery recycling plants are operational (10 years?) it'll be interesting to recalculate emissions for vehicle manufacture. You also need to take into account (cradle to grave calcs) the oil etc needed for transmissions, engines etc. I haven't seen any solid data on battery life (anecdotal evidence, only, in both directions) or on vehicle life. Certainly the ICE vehicles I've driven have lost significant efficiency (mpg) over 10 years old. Whether that's because of build up in engines, or head gaskets getting old, I don't know, but the average efficiency of a 10 year old car is significantly less than. 50%.
@@robertharris1748 If your ICE vehicles are losing efficiency after only 10 years, your ICE vehicles are either poorly designed, or you aren't maintaining them correctly. My Ram is nearly 10 years of age, with nearly 200,000 miles, and it gets better mileage now than when it was new. That's because it's all broken in and seasoned. That's how all ICE vehicles should perform as they reach such age.
I had a 1996 jeep that got worse and worse from year 10 (kept it for a further 8 years). I took it to a garage to get checked every year, or if i thought there was a problem. I am not a gearhead (like the vast majority of people), so I have no idea how well maintained it was. If it wasn't well maintained then I would anticipate that would be true for >50% of the cars on the road).
Hybrid drive trains are %100 the way to go, they provide power + economy + reliability. The Prius has been the most fuel efficient and reliable vehicles in the last 20 years. Andre’s own F150 is a real world example of hybrid systems, there are No negatives. But because of strictly political agendas they want to force feed EV’s that have significant flawed capabilities.
Where electric vehicles will make sense for towing is for contractors like myself who do 30-80 mile round trips towing a landscape trailer around my county on a regular basis. But only if the electric truck is similarly priced to my existing ‘19 Ram 2500 crew cab longbed 4x4 diesel, which is essentially identical to the truck in this test. The savings per month in fuel would definitely add up.
Very interesting video. Comparing energy use should be talked about. You may have done it before but it'd be nice to compare the cost of energy when charging versus when fueling up too. When considering energy it's hard to believe how efficient that heavy hummer is. Thanks guys
The main issue is can the ev do what you need to do in the time you have to do it. Time is money and vacation time isn't very long. Like me I drive down to California on vacation takes me 18 hours to get to my destination towing a boat that's including stops, in an ev truck it would drastically increase drive time to the point I'm not sure I would have enough time to make that trip.
I got in a discussion on another forum about class 8 EVs.They we're saying it would do everything a diesel truck would. I challenged them to a test of hauling a 210 thousand excavator 450 miles without stopping to recharge.
That's actually fairly doable. The Tesla Semi did 500 miles flat under full load, although that was a fully covered trailer, an excavator isn't quite as aerodynamic. It has to be noted though that the "no recharge" rule is dumb. Commercial drivers are required to make a rest stop after a few hours, I don't remember how many exactly, but still - no way the driver can do 450 miles in one go, and if they have to stop for 30 minutes anyway, why not recharge in the meantime?
@@wojciechmuras553 I think you need to rethink the math. I believe the 500 miles was with the flatbed hauling 44,000 lb of Jersey barriers at 81,000 lb Gross. Well over double the frontal area, way more rolling resistance due to all the required extra axles, way more tare weight due to the mass of the trailer required and a 210,000 lb excavator. In my experience you will expend about 4 times the energy so maybe 125 mi range. Electric trucks at current technology levels have potential as is for P&D operations for LTL carriers or other specific applications. Traditional longhaul will need less weight and more range than current Li Ion Packs. If the packs that are just entering production can meet the marketing claims of 4x the energy density it could allow half the battery pack weight and double the range. At that point it will depend on the unit cost and battery pack longevity and replacement cost. Diesel replaced gasoline, gasoline replaced kerosene (coal based), kerosene replaced whale oil and whale oil replaced wood only when economics dictated it. All the good intentions in the world are unlikely to make the transition to electric successful. You have to make it economically desirable. The trucking industry would love to stop spending huge sums of money on diesel, just give them something that makes more cents (as in dollars and cents).
@@gk5891 Oh, you mean one of those excavators? Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of John Deere 160 P-tier, not mining excavators. For loads that unusual, true, Semi makes absolutely no sense, unless it's short-haul. Still, there's a lot of jobs where the combination of load and range Tesla offers is perfectly adequate. And with the current prices of diesel versus current prices of electricity, I think it's viable economically. The Tesla Semi probably isn't cheap. But depending on how it's priced, it might be a reasonable option already.
That Hummer couldn't even pull my small Travel Trailer. A Winnebago Mini Plus 26, with a gvwr of 8800 Lbs. Fully loaded, ready to roll, for a nice week long trip weighs in at 8100 lbs. (as measured at a Cat Scale). Never mind heading to Florida for a winter getaway. By the way we pull it with a 2018 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi.
I will say that the EV's are not yet good enough for any long range anything as you guy's have shown in previous videos. I also believe as you had indicated the infrastructure is not there yet and will never be good enough in my life time. I live in Canada and I'd like to see a towing test like that done when it's -40.
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you guys have done now 3 towing range tests and 0 none towing tests with a EV thats not designed to be a tow vehicle. I would like to see just a normal range test seeing as how 99.9% of people won't be towing with their Hummer.
Ok how far would the ram go with 3,000# of diesel to feed off ? If you're going off pure energy density wouldn't that be the best way to do it ? Conversely you could do a “loaded test” in EVs favour & only fuel up the ram with 6 gal of diesel to see where they each run out.
Yeah, but like someone said most of the gasoline or diesel is just goint to making heat and making the block hot.
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You should have included a gasser. Say, the 7.3 Godzilla.
The more you guys test electric vehicles, the more I want to keep buying gas/diesel
Lmfao Right ! 👌😝
I wouldn't mind a hybrid Honda Grom that has small little electric hybrid system for getting moving and then the little engine geared to get the top speed a little faster. That way I could actually mob around my town for pennies on the dollar even more than already without being stuck unable to drive in the major roads because a normal Grom can't maintain 60mph up a good gradient. I love the Grom but man it would be so much easier to actually want to keep around long term if I could pull up a hill without people hating me for being slow. I want my Grom to feel like it's on steroids without having aftermarket parts on it reducing long term reliability. With the same super small form factor for comedic effect of course. The Grom should be a whole product line if you ask me. An all electric, a hybrid, and a gas only. Maybe make it a 175cc just so the gas only doesn't feel as anemic idk. I'm sure a few good braincells together could pull it off
It would be cool if it was like a belt drive hybrid type of system. Less chain lubing which I hate. I like the scooter tires for ease of replacement and the very small form factor though because it's super affordable and really easy to tuck away in the corner of the garage. Parts super affordable ECT. I just hate chain maintenance and for 4k I think a Grom should be able to hold 60mph up a hill from factory. My old accord is 5500 dollars and Its hard to justify nearly the same money for something that struggles up a hill.
If they upgraded the powertrian and made it even a 150 or 175 but kept the small form factor and introduced a hybrid system, maybe you can get 200 miles per gallon and go faster than ever before while remaining with a huge chunk of aftermarket support that would still exist for many parts. If they made the engine a little bigger than 125 maybe it would last more miles. I've seen guys ride the crap out of groms and the engines seem to tap out at about 50k miles because it's a little engine working very hard. If it was hybrid it would only need very small easy to replace battery and the engine would be less strained and would last longer. I watched a video of a guy wheelie his from out of the front door of a dealership when he bought it and broke a plastic piece immediately 😂 I'm not a wheelie popper but lots of Grom guys are so I'm surprised a few of these plastic pieces aren't built a little tougher.
I want to sit on a tiny Honda Grom, get 200 mpg and feel like I'm on a rocket ship. I like to switch through gears too though. I don't like fully automatic motorcycles. So it's complicated and I understand I'm a hard person to please when I want certain requirements with several technologies that might be difficult to mold together in a way I would be willing to buy
These electric trucks are only good if they can be used as power backup for a house in a rural area type situation. Otherwise as just a truck, I don't know.
We're just now starting to develop electrics for towing and hauling. I just bought a gasoline truck; by the time it's worn-out, electrics might be practical for long distance towing of an RV. As usual, I'm waiting for the early adopters to work the bugs out.
absolutely
Thats awesome the charge was free, but let's use the numbers to find out the future cost. The Hummer charged from 7% to 51% for $37.41 according to the EA charger. So $0.85 for each 1%. At that rate it would cost $79 to charge the Hummer to 100%. Hummer cost per mile: $79 ÷ 123 miles = $0.64 per mile.
Cummins cost per mile: $105 ÷ 211 miles = $0.49 per mile
Also, the time to charge a battery vs. Fueling at the pump! Time is money! I don't want to be sitting there waiting for things to charge!
Also gotta take into account the amount of diesel fuel the generator uses to charge the hummer 😂
Now imagine if the current nutjob administration screwing things up wasn't in power and diesel was cheap like it use to be.
I drove out to my hunting property this weekend to go setup a new game camera in my Jeep JK. It's 186 miles to there and the same coming back for a total of 372 miles. Lots of hills and driving against the wind too that killed my mileage. Back when 87 octane gas was $1.85 a gallon it wasn't a thing. Now I wince every time I have to fuel up the Jeep at $3.40 a gallon 🤬
@@MsMrhawk Anytime you spend waiting at a charger is deducted from your remaining lifespan.
@@DFDalton1962 also, with a gas or diesel vehicle, you could bring a gas can along if you do run out of fuel. It would be enough to get to a station in most cases.
The Ram can tow both trailers and the Hummer without breaking a sweat.
Certainly
It's amazing how much energy is in a gallon of diesel.
With out a doubt
@@TheAnnoyingBoss and there's enough oil to power the world for over a thousand years.
@@subvertedworld I looked into it more and I think there isn't 1000 years of oil. My issue is no one seems to have accurate numbers. They tell me there is 44 billion barrels, they tell me there is 264 billion barrels. So in 5-10 years will they be saying there is 750 billion or not? Because if our demand doesn't increase at all, if their is only 44 billion and USA consumes 20 million per day, that's only 6 years worth of oil. If USA has 264 billion, If demand doesn't go up at all, that's 36 years worth. If In ten years they tell us there is only 750 billion barrels, if demand doesn't increase at all, that's only 100 years. And demand is increasing... And there definitely isn't enough lithium and lithium electric clearly is not worth it. We're on track to run out of lithium long before oil I think. Unless we find an ungodly amount more. Now I think hydrogen gas a chance but not if we do it wrong. There is enough water in the oceans for the world to be on hydrogen for 10,000 years without sucking too much to harm oceanlife too badly. So that eliminates the running out problem for at least a very long time. Only issue is hydrogen comes with it's own set of problems. For one, tons of salt we csnt just dump right back in without killing everything. Then if the hydrogen vehicles store the Hydrogen in form of gas, they can explode easily. Hydrogen production plant blow up easy. Like worse than nuclear bomb man... So instead kf hydrogen plants what we'd need is water de-salting plants, and then they way we can pump the water like gas and have it converted to jusy enough hydrogen to keep the vehicles running so they won't spontaneously blow up. Only issue is that's a lot of crap to throw onto a vehicle and it might not be logically adequate. Plus water is not self lubricating like oil is. You pump oil through pipes and it lubricates itself. Water erodes, it doesn't lube. So that's going to cause some big problems. It's complex man
Diesel did not even have to drop his load to re-fuel.... Simply superior
over 100 Dollars to full up No thanks the ev wins on free chanrging
Free? It was 30ish dollars to charge the Hummer plus another 45 minutes wasted while charging
@@ernyguerra1195 in the video, they charged it for free. but only because EA was offering free charges that month.
@@BeautifulAngelBlossom There's no such thing as free charging bud
@@BeautifulAngelBlossom boy i can fill a diesel for a long time with your extra 60k u spent on your EV lol
These electric trucks have been nothing but disappointments. The Lightning was pretty horrible at everything and the Hummer has been pretty bad too so far. Let's be real, these electric trucks are for people who just drive to the office and Starbucks and don't really need a truck in the first place.
LOL that's what happens when you take a box and throw some batteries in it LOL.... Like I keep saying in other comments small cars sedans first then crossovers then pick ups until we get this battery technology more advanced because right now most of these electric cars and trucks are just luxury toys...
EV's real strong point is daily driving or commuting. Buy a cheap ICE truck for work and a cheap EV for the daily.
@@superfisher4379 cheap EV?
When they talk about the energy density they show how insanely stupid and inefficient EV cars are… pulling a „gigantic“ travel trailer, 5000 lbs… that’s one of the lightest camping trailer before you go with a pop-up
@@freedomisnotnegotiable Yeah I know you aren't really going to find a cheap one. I'm not a big fan of EV's at all but could see the benefit of a very small economical one that would be used for daily driving/commuting. Right now they're just toys for rich liberals.
I would go with the Ram! I could fill up about 450+ times with the money saved in the purchase price between the two trucks not to mention the time saved at each fill up! You have to love the Ram!
What do you think the ram costs...
@@nbk9nbk1 that one was sold for 68k compared to the hummers 114k sale price which does total out to about 460 one hundred dollar fill ups. Multiply that by the 211 mile range covered for said fuel up and it's coming out to 97k miles before the ram costs as much as the initial sticker for the hummer ev but this is not factoring how much the hummer is going to cost to continue charging so it'll probably be over a decade before the hummer ev and this Cummins are equal in total cost sunk. Absolutely not worth it given most new cars and especially EVs, won't be on the road for decades like diesels.
This is the math that consumer doesn't do. The same math can be applied to other EV vehicles as well. Until the price is 1:1 with ICE and EV... The cost difference doesn't make sense.
@@nbk9nbk1 I based the comment on the prices they quoted. Simple math.
@@nbk9nbk1 almost half the price as the hummer.didnt you pay attention to the video
123 miles with an empty trailer and no gear! $115k not me any time soon. Great video
But but but watch it crab walk lol ....I agree with you not buying this or anything like this. Not new. Not used not ever unless no other options.
It’s a joke by the woke.
@@FrankySilverFace I think that's their idea to give us no other options.
@@fastfreeks You're probably more right than you think. The Wokies don't like suburban sprawl. They'd rather have us crammed into cities, stacked on top of each other without the ability to travel more than a few miles unless it's on 'approved' public transportation.
Good to see real world results and not continously selling based on hopes and dreams. The manufacturers loves to deceive the customer
Do a cross country pull and see how long it takes each vehicle.
Nebraska to southern Arizona would be a good test.
@@1stpaintballmaster That would be a year long test on the electric.
Almost three times the time with EV trucks
That junk ass ev will need towed
They wouldn't make it -- there are stretches of more than 130 miles of no electricity fast charging.
The trip would be charger to charger only.
LOL SORRY TO WHOECER BUYS THIS TRASH HHAHAHAHA
If you want to do any long distance towing with electric trucks, the bed of the truck is so you can bring a big generator. The frunk is for all of the fuel cans you’ll need.
@Scuba Steve 100% false. Electric Aircraft batteries using batteries manufactured in Sweden can be charged in as little as 30 minutes and give the aircraft a flight range of over 500 miles.
@@Destin65 Electric airplanes??? NOT HARDLY!!!!!
@@Destin65 what does an "airplane in Sweden" have to do with a bummer taking 4days to charge?
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Sort of defeats the purpose of clean energy.
The Ram costs half as much. The Ram diesel has 2.5x the range. The Ram can fill up completely in 10 minutes. The Ram can pull in and pull out to fill up. The Ram does not need to un-hook and re-hook the trailer for fueling. The EV pumps, if occupied already, may take awhile to be free for use.
Also the battery will degrade and range will get worse and worse every year. Resale value will be nothing. You will own a yard ornament in 5 years.
Great points...and the Cummins will last for years and probably hundreds of thousands of miles
But but what about saving the earth and cooling it off OH ya the batteries are even worse for the earth . oooops
@@ronj1982 Do you honestly believe the Hummer will only last 5 years, like for real honestly.....
@@rockwallcares5084 5 years might be a bit extreme. Probably last longer. But the battery capacity can and will decline over the years making it more and more obsolete when compared to diesel vehicles which, in fact, slightly increase their fuel economy after being well broken-in following years of driving.
As someone who has towed a 30' 10k lbs Toy Hauler from Florida to Alaska round trip, I'd like to stress how important range is to lowering stress in towing. Having the range to make it to your destination without having to refuel hooked up is a game changer in towing. I have a Cummins Ram and added a 90 gallon DOT legal Aux fuel tank and can easily tow 1100 miles without refueling. Granted that's a little overkill for most people, but I was on the ALCAN in March. Adding a 30 gal Aux tank will give a modern diesel around a 500-600 mile range towing, which is more than most people want to go in one day anyway.
Exactly. I added a 40gal aux tank to supplement my 34gal main tank. Takes so much stress out of a trip and allows us to pick and choose where we get diesel weighing both cost and convenience due to our towing a travel trailer. That tank is single best addition I made to our tow rig and it is slim enough that I still have use of the majority of the bed. EV trucks aren't there yet for towing especially trailers such as 5th wheels, goosenecks or anything with a substantial frontal wind load. No way we could make the trips we do stopping every hundred miles for 45min to an hour waiting to charge. Get a huge headwind in Western Kansas on I-70? That Hummer wouldn't go 50 miles with a trailer.
My old Dodge has a towing range of 370 miles. I generally start looking at around 250-300 because I need to stretch anyways. Life it too short to have range anxiety.
@@vardashan I completely agree. The tank is the single best thing I added also. I have about $2k in my setup, but it's integrated into the truck computer, and is completely automatic. Absolutely worth the money.
That's incredible. Whenyou account for aftermarket fuel tanks I forgot about, you could have those installed and still be in far under the cost of the Hummer too and gave way more range. Even more than you probably even realistically need shot of a fuel crisis caused for one reason or another. But they're is also 44 billion gallons of known oil resevers in USA too. So fuel shortage is unlikely even if cost fluctuates it'll probably not run out
@@vardashan yep and just imagine running out of battery in the middle of a cold, dark, country road. IF you can get a tow truck they can’t give you gas. You can beg them for a ride, while your $150,000 electric SUV sits on the road side, with no battery power. How are you going to get it out of there? Towing a 9500lb electric hummer? What about your trailer? What if you had kids? Disaster!!
You should also consider how much fuel was burned by the power-plant in order to charge that electric truck-thing.
that's considered in the cost of the electricity...
Then you should also consider how much energy was used in refining the diesel
@@ethanlinderman8833 Nit wits forget that process exists for some reason. Or the motor oil, filters, and other associated maintenance costs of the ICE.
@@ethanlinderman8833 Don't forget all the other products on Earth that must have petrochemicals to be made!!! Almost everything we have is made using fossil fuels.. Gasoline and diesel only make up 35% of a barrel of crude oil.
How much of the charging is subsidized by the Govt. I mean my tax money?
I would love to see this test in one year after the battery’s been thrashed a little..
I agree, it’s going to be interesting to see how these batteries last
they dont last when you fast charge them all the time from full to flat . imagine replacing the battery out of warrenty .$$$$$
@@shawncorradini5129 heaters use a lot of power too so even less right it's just a silly idea in the north
@@ytthecommunistplatform.2675 Fast charging is only used on road trips. Most EV owners charge overnight at home. It's cheaper and you wake up with a full charge every morning.
And after the Cummins has broke in
I've been stating this for years now, EV's are great in the city and short trips but when it comes to long distance driving and towing, diesel is king. This is why I have my diesel 4x4 for towing my boat and my EV for every day driving around my local city. Great video gents.
Exactly..had 2 Tesla model x cars, top battery, loaded. Good for about 180 miles, at most. Never towed anything. Went Vegas once, totally stressful, had to stop twice. About 300 miles away. $150K car, good for around town or short trips only.
@@ethanmurray2203 Thank you for this honest answer/explanation. I am a dentist with a 7 mile commute, so an ideal EV owner, right?
But I just unloaded my F250 after pulling a gooseneck trailer, utility tractor, 2 UTVs, 2 young boys and a deer 90 miles back from my hunting camp where I used 4x4 all weekend. I filled up Monday, drove to work all week, made the 180 mile round trip drive pulling 10klbs and still have 58 miles in the tank.
So mon-fri, I’m the ideal EV guy, but come the weekend, I’m rarely w/o a boat or hunting gear. I’ve considered a Tesla, but it would be a total waste of money and resources.
@@chadgardnerdds3197 Especially if you have a big solar system, or live in a place without crazy electric rates, like here in San Diego. Keep the truck for hauling, electric car for running around town. They are fun to drive. See if tax credits are available too.
EVs are, and probably always will be, commuter vehicles.
@@ethanmurray2203 I’m in rural Louisiana living on 58 acres with 35+ acres of pastureland being used for hay since my daughter moved college and no longer barrel races. I have been approached about a solar farm being put on the pastures, but I am better off selling the hay and my homestead being a legitimate farm business.
I’ve looked into it and the benefits of a solar farm are not great in my state. I realize that wasn’t your point, but I’m just saying it’s strange that an area receiving 8+ hours of very intense sunlight per day is not better incentivized.
Regardless, I’m not going to spend $100k+ on a Tesla, although I do think they are cool, when I only burn 2-3 gallons per work day, then an unknown amount on weekends. I just don’t see how the benefits are there when I factor in insurance, another payment, maintenance, etc but I could definitely be wrong.
I love that you guys are talking about energy density and comparing true energy efficiency. Something so many people are confused about! Well explained, thank you.
Something just hit me based on energy density: He would have paid $40 for the electricity equivalent to 6 gallons of diesel. That would have worked out to over $6.70 for a "gallon" of electricity. It shocks me that the super-charger is more expensive than gas.
@@DSArmageddon666 When i first got my EV non fast charging was free. I've since moved to Colorado and they charge a pretty high amount for all public charging and home electricity in general. After doing the average math, if fuel is under $4 a gallon then i'm spending more to drive the EV plus the wait time for charging.
I believe Toyota's 2.5L aka Rav4 engine is the most thermally efficient engine on the road, but its still way way behind electric.
@@WhoThisGuy515 NO, that defies everything i've ever heard. Even if you pay a lot for electricty, like CA rates its still cheaper per mile.
@@DSArmageddon666 Yeah, gas/diesel has always been an excellent value of energy per dollar, at least in the US historically. The other numbers to keep in mind is charging at home would be more like $9-12 worth of electricity for that same amount of energy depending where you live. For most, the vast majority of charging is likely to be done at home, so weigh that in. The other factor is an EV can generally do a lot more with a given amount of energy, so even in scenarios where you pay more per kWh than gas, you can do more with it due to the higher efficiency. In some cases at least.
Battery tech isn't there yet. Hard to beat the stored energy of diesel. Maybe once little reactors are under the hood.
Look up dry state batteries. This is the only long-term chance Ev has, but if you look them up so far the smallest, they can make the tech is way too big for automotive use. However, a dry state that is 8ft by 8ft by 8ft can power a city of 250k people for a day. Don't quote me on that exactly, but it is impressive. I, however, am on team hydrogen for the future, and for the moment, team propane. The old 5.7 really rips on propane.
@@bigrob6076 what do you mean by the 5.7 and propane? Got a video I can look up?
Yeah Im supporting Cummins with my money how I can since they're working hard on hydrogen.
I believe the battery technology is already there, but the shielding or whatever isn't.
Not only battery but chargers in small towns aren't up to the task. And there are only a very small number of EV rigs on the road relative to number of cars
I can at least get on board with that.
It never will be
I would love you guys to do a tow test in Canada with this electric vs diesel in our actual winter temps. -20 to -40 degree temps and see that 125 miles shrink down to 75 miles.
Exactly....do I not run the heat and freeze myself so I can get further?
I think that you can cut that down to kilometers instead... PLUS, cut that again down to only @ 70 km in those temperatures if you're towing & driving uphill.
Thank you amateur scientists, for proving just how amateur you are.
Batteries are more efficient and electrical systems in general at low temperature. That's why super conductors etc have to be cooled to close to absolute zero (-270 C) to work well.
Whereas, on very cold nights, diesel will turn to jelly.
@@distanceismyplastercast You don't have to be a scientist to figure out batteries do not like cold weather. You just have to use battery operated equipment in cold weather to figure it out. In the cold the heater will have to use the battery for heat and for the blower motor. Gas/diesel uses the heat generated by the engine to heat your vehicle. Unless you like frosted windows and cold feet your range will drop.
@@kenkinniph2327 Get a brain. The only truth in your answer is that gas engines make a lot of heat. That's because most of the energy released us as heat and very little us actually used to make the car move forward.
Guess during your vast experience with electric motors you've never noticed that they get hot too and that heat can also be used for air conditioning. Difference is only 10% of the energy is as heat, and 90% is used to make the car move.
Loved how they picked a route that was all downhill towards Nebraska to give the EV all the help it can get
And it still failed miserably.
To be fair, just about everything is down hill from Denver
exactly
It's all downhill anyway,,,there leaving the rocky mountains....my semi gets almost 10 mpgs fully loaded on I80 lea ing Cheyenne almost until Omaha
I would’ve liked to see how the Hummer did pulling some mountains with that trailer.
I was seriously considering trading in my F150 and putting my name on the Lightning or new GM electric truck. Thanks to your videos, NO WAY!
Definitely just upgrade from f150 to f250. Their will be lots of people who will want to buy it when you're done because they need a hard working tough truck compared to pavement princess lifestyle type Hummer
You were ACTUALLY SERIOUS?... Lmao... You OBVIOUSLY didn't do ANY RESEARCH and just believed the HYPE?...
What I take from this video is don't buy an EV. I will take this advice. Thank you for the lesson. Merry Christmas!
At this point owning a Hummer is more like a hobby than anything else.
More like a druggie looking for your next charging fix...man i need the good stuff..high speed man...350kw
An expensive and privilege hobby. 🤪
At any point owning a hummer has been more of a hobby than anything else.
Nobody really towed with the old hummer, it was a niche vehicle from jump
@@Al_Pollock agreed, they have always been a toy vehicle
Can’t wait to see how those EV trucks are going to perform when pulling a trailer when the temperature drops to the 20°s and bellow
To be fair in extreme low temps diesels struggle as well...For me electrics arent an option yet but I think they will get there in the end I need at least 1000 miles in range and fast charging capability which apparently the new blade batteries due next year can do..Have to wait and see.
Low temperatures don't affect diesel engines as much as you think. Millions of diesel powered semi trucks run all season long when the temps are 100+ or -40 hauling up to 80,000 pounds. No ev on the market is going to come close to that currently.
@@shadowbanned5164 turn a blind eye
@@warhound7781 Low temperatures do affect diesels those trucks you are talking about take special measures to ensure they run in low temperatures and if they shut down for too long it takes a lot to get them started again.
@@shadowbanned5164 Try again, it's not the 1970s with mechanical injection, poor viscosity oils and untreated fuel. Never had an issue where sub zero cold weather has prevented any diesel truck I had from starting in the last 30 years. But what do I know...lmao
So if that charging station was full you could have spent hours waiting to get charged. If it was cold out you might not had enough power left to get in the charging station after trying to stay warm in your EV !
They should have had a generator in the Hummer's toy hauler.
@@AlexRides808 Running on what, diesel fuel?
I think I noticed a price of 43 cents per KWH on the charger. That's almost 4 times what I'm paying for my service at home. Like you said EVs are toys at this point.
Evs are for idiots and rich people who want to virtual signal and not actually do anything or get anything done.
What is the conversion to $/mi?
@Ed Darby i believe he said he was getting 0.6 miles/kwh so you would need 1.66 kwh to go 1 mile.
$.43×1.66kwh = $0.7138/mile
@@TEDSRR thanks!
So the diesel pickup truck got about 6 mpg? While towing? So at $4/gal we're running alot closer than I expected.
@Ed Darby the diesel was getting 9.7 mpg. Here in CT diesel is $6 gallon so a little over $0.60 per mile in the diesel vs $0.70 in the hummer assuming your juicing up at a fast charging stainless
I’d love to see a winter tow test using that hummer somewhere like Montana
Either Montana in the winter or Arizona in the summer. The heater / air conditioner would suck up the charge like a sponge.
Get stranded somewhere in -20 degree weather 😂 great idea lol
@@SteegeFish That's what chase vehicles are for, that and the external camera views going down the road. It would do well to have at least one reliable ICE vehicle along.
@@ironclaw6969 well yea or else they would be screwed 😂
@@SteegeFish I certainly wouldn't trust the Hummer that made it less than 250 miles on the odometer before breaking down in the middle of traffic.
If you run out of charge just call triple A and have them bring you "a can of electricity"😂
That's an interesting point that still needs to be addressed for EVs, perhaps by a towable battery, from which the EV can run directly from until it reaches the next charging station... and that towable battery can even be delivered without the need of a tow truck, which is certainly always better than having to wait for a tow truck.
@@you2be839 Robots and drones to the rescue!
They use diesel generators
0.25m/kWh diesel vs 0.6m/kWh hummer EV is actually pretty spot on for diesel engine thermal efficiency of around 40%
now the hummer just needs a 7 speed tranny
Let's do the same test 5-10yrs down the road after the battery has degraded and the diesel truck will still have all its power. That would be interesting
10 year old trucks = 9 MPG vs 60 miles 🤣
or even in the winter how much faster that battery drains
Sure, but track the cost of diesel maintenance and repairs too. These batteries are cooled. They don't degrade quickly.
@@jghall00 Yeah keep telling yourself that. There's no way an electric vehicle will outlast a diesel. The cost of diesel is high because of the current administration. Bring the prices down and the diesel blows the electric crap out of the water.
@@231pilot my truck is 10 years old and gets 18 around town and 22-24 highway. Soooooo
I work in disaster management and was just in Florida. The salt water storm surge was causing ion lithium batteries in electric vehicles and bicycles catching fire. I saw numerous houses that were not only flooded but also burned to the ground from the vehicle batteries melting down. Also thank you for the video I've been wondering how far an electric vehicle could tow a camper. My camper weighs about 9000lbs with all our gear w/o water on board. There's no way the hummer could pull it.
Interesting . Australia is going all electric batteries
Oh it could pull
it, just not very far.
this electric vehical thing is all a bunch of political bullshit and i dont like it one bit.
While I like the idea of alternative fuel sources I don't think the technology is quite there yet.
Let's look back in history steam and then internal combustion was also seen as a novelty and not useful.
Diesel truck can also fill right up to 100% of its range in 5-10 minutes at the pump. Not 30-60 minutes just to go from 20%-70% (which is only 50% total).
The whole infrastructure will have to change if it takes 60 minutes to charge your vehicle....what are you going to do during that time? ....going to have to be cafes, coffee shops and restrooms or in my state a place to get out of the heat.
@@anderander5662 the lines will be horrid too
I know, my girlfriend has a Tesla. So inconvenient letting it charge while we're shopping instead of stopping at a gas station and paying more than three times as much for the same distance. Or that 30 minutes we had to stop every three hours when we drove up from LA. And don't get me started on those silly solar panels we got that cover our house's energy consumption and generate enough to get 600 miles every month before we start consuming from the grid.
EV: Upfront espensive
ICE: Long term expensive
I thought he want from 7% to 50% in that 40 minutes time.
This also confused me. if it took him nearly 100% charge to get to charging station, how will he get back to denver with only 50% of the charge?
@@rusty2381 yeah but it will take a while to spend the difference in cost compared to an EV. 68k vs 115k. gonna take a while to spend that much in gas and maintenance.
I wish you would have done this test up the hill on I-70 like the rest of your tests.
The Hummer might not have made it up lmao
The true struggles right there, need to find a charger and then sit and wait for others to get done, sounds like a blast...... hours sitting around to charge up and to wait for others to get done
I predict charging station rage will become a thing.
I know there’s probably thousands of people with the same name, but is this Alaska Zack?
@@EMDSD40T2 Yup. Just wait for it. It's coming
Ev fanatics will tell you it's awesome they get to stretch their legs get some lunch and coffee
Yes. I am completely convinced that I DON’T want a E Truck in the near future. 👎
I want to know how hot the battery gets charging that fast and towing lol
One thing not mentioned was the wasted time charging , Also I noticed in the charging cost if they had to pay was $37.75 . The Cummins cost for fuel was 75.00 and went twice the distance as compared to the Hummer . So the hummer costing more per mile to drive than the Dodge , I'd love to see how long that pretty hummer would stand up on the farm pulling gravity bins full of grain. I'd also like to see the hummer after 350,000 miles and how long before the battery would need to be replaced . I have a 2008 Ram 6.7 cummins with over 200,000 miles and still looks and runs like new .
$101 due to credit card maxing out at $75, so reset was needed, which is annoying!
If it was a toyota, at 200k it would just be breaking in
@@blmartech 200K it's like 100k miles on a Toyota and any diesel truck to be honest.
I worked at a grain elevator for five years. It would be very interesting. Those wagons are no joke. They are HEAVY. I think you would make one trip into the elevator and the hummer would be about dead lol
For comparison, Ford is stating that, worst case, an F-150 Lightning owner would have to replace their entire battery pack every 5 or so years...at a cost of $35K! Can you imagine the disappointment of having to put another $7,000 a year ($583/month) into battery-related maintenance on a $100,000+ truck?!?!
Love to see the same test in other conditions. Rain, snow, or real cold
I bet that $40 charge he mentioned would only be for one charge 120 miles so it would be $120 total and at least 1 1/2 hours to charge not 15 minutes to fill up diesel. Still like the Hummer because it’s nice but they don’t compare when driving distance
15 minutes is pretty slow for refueling. it only takes me about 5 or so minutes to put 45 gallons in my ram 4500
Also, don't forget the government has increased all fossil fuel prices in order to push the electric vehicle narrative. Secondly, where do you think the electricity is coming from to charge the electric vehicles? Hint, fossil fuels. Electric vehicles cost more to produce in carbon footprint than a fossil fuel vehicle. Volvo did a 5 year study, that didn't include any recharging of the battery, maintenance, etc. A new mid sized sedan can be driven 52,000 miles before the carbon footprint equals that of the electric vehicle production cost. A truck, example the hummer, you can drive a fossil fueled truck 92,000 miles before the carbon footprint equals that of the electric vehicle production cost.
2018 Cummins RAM 3500 Single rear wheel stick shift owner here. This should be fascinating video! 👍
Bet that’s a joy to drive!
Oh baby a stick shift
These videos will be used in history lessons in another 100 years. You guys are really showing the progression of the electric vehicle against what could be the last generation of the I.C.E.
There is no way an electric vehicle could replace my truck at this point but at the rate things are evolving I could possibly see it in another 10 years.
Nope
Batteries need 2-3X the energy density before an electric truck would make sense for towing.
@@231pilot and the ability to charge in a reasonable time! But they are improving.
Another hilarious electric vehicle video! Why
Next time, just put a big honkin’ diesel generator in the trailer with 20 extra gallons and charge the Dummer along the side of the road while you take a nice long long nap (earplugs sold separately). That way you don’t have to unhook the trailer and go the opposite direction from what you intended. Or take the $60,000 saved from buying the diesel to pay for 400 fill-ups of $150 each. 100,000 free miles!
LMAO... Hummer: "Hmmmmmm, lets take OUT the engine this time...." So dumb.... It should be a Twin Turbo V8
Kase is killing it again. We need more videos with him in it! Good job dude.
Any video without Tommy is great. Tommy seems like a good dude, but he’s unbearable to watch and listen to. He’s got a face for radio and a voice for deaf people.
@@cliffordmontana4562 tommy is great
I beg to differ. His dad Roman owns TFL. If he didn’t, do you think Tommy would be reviewing vehicles? He’s absolutely terrible! I don’t have anything against him and he seems like a good dude, but it doesn’t mean he’s good at his job. He’s a dork and literally painful to watch and listen to.
I must say that is the first real comparison video that I've seen. I've always felt my rough numbers can't prove EV being more beneficial in the long run. Even if costs were close, how long would it have taken to get a full charge on the Hummer if I was going on a long trip vs. time filling a full tank of fuel?
The word clusterfuck comes to mind everytime I see an electric truck review. And a paper weight in California during the summers of rolling blackouts
And an even bigger paperweight in cold, northern climates in the Winter!
The one thing I havent heard you guys mention is that if you look inside of an electric vehicle owners manual. There is an algorithm of how many fast charges that you are supposed to perform per slow charges. As you surpass that your battery warranty starts to get cut down. So if you have a battery issue at year 5 and your warranty goes to 6 years but you used fast charging alot your warranty might be out.
Can you give a rough example of what ratio fast charges to normal charges?
@@djw1091994 approx 4 slow charges to every 1
Will make a very expensive lawn ornament after 3 years or so.
Most truck owners over 75% don't tow 1 time a year and the 25 % or less a few times a month
$38000 in inflation adjusted dollars savings
Most drivers don't average 200 miles a week
That means you'd hardly use a vDC charger and would use nighttime reduced charge rates of under, $.12 cents a Kw
When he says "Gigantic camping trailers" that tells you everything you need to know about this test/video! lol
No one is talking about that generator charging it 😂😂
No one is talking about the fact that you get 11 gallons of diesel from a 42-gallon barrel of oil either. No one is talking that the barrel of oil is priced at $80+, which means your diesel is underpriced, and that diesel is still more expensive than the electricity, which is profitable in each stage.
Gotta take into account the amount of diesel that uses 😂
@@ronaldking1054 Diesel also doesn’t just overheat and catch fire like a ev battery
@@ronaldking1054 diesel is a by product of gas. Used to be cheaper than regular gas. Consumers have been getting ripped off for years now.
@@JimbobZ17 This is what happens when the product is no longer a byproduct, but it is the real product. In other words, diesel couldn't be used for as many vehicles as it is, which is exactly why the price is too low, but for some reason, these economics escape you. The only people who have been getting ripped off is the guy you are selling your vehicle to.
Nobody talks about resale value in these comparisons. I know, I know, there is not a lot of comparable EVs out there. But, what I'm seeing in my area is 2500 series, crew cab, 4wd diesels with 200,000+ miles are selling in the mid $20k to low $30k range. I think when you start getting to the end of the battery life cycle, the resale value is going to take a huge hit.
Yep. People will be hacking/forging their battery health stats to bump resale value.
@@DBravo29er They will be shining up the battery and say it was just replaced.
Resale of Ev's is really high right now as stock is hard to come by. I could probably sell my almost 5 year old EV for the same price as I bought it for right now. In the future it might be hard to sell a ICE vehicle as new laws come into place on EV sales as well as more and more people wanting an EV with more affordable options coming out as well. I have not lost any range on my EV at all as well. I don't put high miles on it as it is mostly a city car but so far it has been great.
Taxpayers subsidized your purchase and doubt you’ll get what you paid for.
End of its resale value...in 25 years. Even then it will still have value, just not like-new value. The EV market in the past shows EV's retain a lot of their value regardless of mileage or age because of how reliable they are, and how long their batterys last. I could go buy a 7 year old Tesla from 2015 with 100K miles and i'd almost run identical to its first day off the lot.
Picture 4k families driving their EV’s and campers all headed to the mountains to camp…. Pure entertainment!!!🤣🤣🤣
It's so cool to live in Colorado and know the places that you're trying to make it to. Really gives it real world context
Same for me. Well said. When TFL talks about going up the big hill on the "Ike" I'm right with them, and its difficult to appreciate if you've never driven it, even in a car with no trailer.
Very true...live in Northern New England (NH)…but having spent 5.5 years driving up/down I-70/I-25 and all around the front range living in Lakewood Colorado, I feel pretty much the same way you do, about real-world context.
They live in unique area. Lots of mountains to test on and even the exact opposite too. It's a great location for automotive testing
Tell me what the Range is on the Hummer when the batteries are 5 or 10 years old ..
If similar to Tesla, probably will still get 90% or better of the advertised range.
if you keep the battery between 40/50-80% would be fine, if you regularly went from sub 10% to 100ish % that's a whole different situation
@@ShippyJack All I know is I have 4 tiny dead DeWalt Lithium batteries and they want $69.00 each to replace them
I don't care if those batteries last forever. I'm not waiting to charge my vehicle or praying that there is a charging station along the way. EVs are amazing tech but they are severely limited when it comes to range and they are really expensive
The walk-in talkie discussions are BRUTAL
Love my Cummins with the Stealth module!
With a 2004 Ram 2500 Cummins towing a 33' 10k travel trailer it got around 10-11 mpg. With a tune it now gets 16 mpg. We normally travel right around 65-67 mph. This is because it doesn't have all the emissions stuff. I have to wonder how much better these new Cummins engines would do without the burden of all the emissions stuff.
I get around 21-24 on a Ford, with emissions around 14. 🤡 For the environment
Mine is stock. What sort of tune should I get?
@@user-rn3rn6nl3h yeah... it's all a joke
It looks like they are only pulling 25 footers in this video.
With my 97 Ram 4x4 12v towing a box trailer roughly the same weight as they did in this test at 61-63mph I get 17-18 mpg. With the newer computer engines they have something called the 3rd injection event which injects more fuel for the sole purpose of emissions and making the engine quieter. It does not contribute to power at all, it just throws fuel away. Your tune most likely got rid of the 3rd injection event or at least modified it. If you can still do that on the newest engines they should also get a similar increase in fuel economy.
If they went diesel hybrid, small diesel up front and individual hub mounted motors, then EV would work well.
But then it's not a EV, it's a hybrid because it still needs diesel to operate. You're though, a diesel hybrid would be nice.
@@jeepinintexas6215 You're right, it would be similar to how a diesel locomotive works or an earth mover. 2 of which are proven vehicles, just scaling the tech down.
@@jeepinintexas6215 i wouldn't mind seeing that kind of tech in Tacomas. Diesel, gas, and diesel electirc hybrid and gas electirc hybrid. Idk. I think the 2500s and f250s would benefit from being both diesel, gas and both have optional hybrids as well. It would be more complex and unreliable than just has or diesel only but also the option of them being available also would fill a gap. An all electric Hummer isn't good enough and diesel has TONS of energy in just 1 gallon that could be recouped into a battery to help get moving withcthe big loads. Would be very complex vehicles and expensive but probably still significantly less than a 115k Hummer EV that can't compete.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss it would be cool but I would just like to have a sane leadership in the country again and Jeep Gladiator for my pickup truck. I want a diesel engine that hasn't been neutered by emissions devices brought on by EPA regulations.
And cost twice as much
Kase is a rising star for TFL definitely a great team member!
Mercedes makes Diesel Plug ins for some of their cars, i think that combo would be interesting for pickup trucks.
A small diesel combined with a 25-30kwh battery or so. The diesel is enough to maintain cruising speed on long journeys and would get great mileage. Daily commute and errands could be done on battery alone, power and torque should be plenty from the two engines, even Volvo plug ins get 400+ hp now lol
Diesel all day , i love my TDI. I get the best gas mileage and its fun to drive.
That ram can tow that trailer AND the Hummer and go much further on one go. Meanwhile if that Hummer gets stuck in traffic you're gonna have to cut a hole in the bottom so you can move it the old Fred Flintstone way.
This is one case where the EV will win. When you are caught in stop and go traffic the EV will use very little energy (could last for days) while the ICE will still be using significant fuel. At 80 miles an hour it's a different story...
@@lenm2857 ah ok. Cool. Thanks for the info. I won't edit the comment. I like learning
@@lenm2857 Diesels idle with very little fuel and I mean very little fuel.
@@TdrSld an ev doesn't idle. If it isn't moving it just doesn't use energy
@@nicksmith4808 Every computer, every light, every thing in that EV is using power from the battery. You can't just seat in a turned off car forever.
Hell I can't seat in my black tundra for more than 3 minutes in the summer after driving for 3 hours with the ac on after I turn the truck off. The heat builds up so fast that you'll be sweating buckets in 5 minutes. It's stupid to think that an EV only uses power to MOVE the EV.
Great comparison and breakdown! I can't base my trips - right now- on whether or not I should turn around to charge and only make it 100 to 150 miles. Waiting 30 minutes between on the road and off at a charging station. Great job working the numbers!
I am completely convinced that I DON’T want a E Truck in the near future. 👎
I'm so glad there are people buying ev's and making videos like this so I don't have too
Thank you for these reviews. I was excited about electric until learning how limited we will be. I will be buying a 1.5 or 2 ton truck soon
What type 1.5-2ton trick, s hino or gmc?
@@kevincinnamontoast3669 not sure yet I am still looking but I want a PTO and At least 20k towing
Love how they are mentally prepping us for efficiency numbers as the new go to wording. $60,000 buys a lot of diesel.
Excellent replies to the comments from everyone. We can all see that there is nothing to gain from going green and everything to lose! Just the way for those in power to maintain the power they have and to control us working people.
The old chant people what do you have to lose? Nothing but your chains kind of mean something once again
Great video about the real costs of diesel v battery. Clearly we are not there yet when it comes to towing and long range travel. Hummer will be great for short distance, city and off road only. I like the electric Hummer a lot but this video was very helpful regarding the limitations of electric full size trucks. Thank you!
Also with the Hummer you likely will be looking at a battery replacement down the road that will cost half as much as the Ram truck did. You should do another test where you both go camping at the same place and have the same start time like you’re getting out of work at 5PM on Friday and have to be back to work on Monday morning. See how many more hours at the campground the guy in the Ram gets while the other guy is stopping to recharge on the way. I was surprised though by the mileage for the Ram, I thought it would be better since that was such a small trailer. I had a 2008 F-250 with the 6.8L V-10 and I got about 8.5-9mpg hauling a 40’ fifth wheel that was real close to the maximum rating of 14,000# for the truck.
Yes, ev batteries are very expensive. However, they do not require the maintenance that a gas/ diesel engine does. I Read that the hummer battery will be covered for 10 years or 150,000, whichever comes first. Do that math on how much it will cost to maintain a gas fueled engine across that amount of time or distance. It’ll pretty much even out over time.
using a phone while driving with no hands on the wheel ! what a good advert in a driving show
Before it even hits the streets that ev has polluted more than the diesel. Lithium mines (for the batteries) are environmentally filthy. Wind and solar panels too. However, that particular ev was mostly fueled by coal, since Colorado's electricity is mainly coal powered.
The Cobalt comes from Chinese mines in the Congo.
The EV dose not pollute locally. The diesel dose.
Gotcha - Lol.
Fanboys will argue with these facts
@@marcsarfati3291 the power is local
@@marcsarfati3291 No 'Gotcha'.....we're supposed to be protecting Mother Earth here...not just trying to eliminate pollution in one spot. And...I 'gotcha' back with the fact that modern motor vehicles are VERY clean running, so much so that in many areas the exhaust coming out is cleaner than the air going in. Gotcha!
They need to build a hybrid heavy duty. Use the electric motors to move the truck and diesel to power it. Both can be setup so they are running at peak efficiency,
That is how a train works.
I’d love to see this pull ups hill and down the other side. Compare energy used going up then what would be regenerating on the way down.
As a person who pulls trailers this size over the divide frequently, I can tell you that you won't gain a thing on the way down. If I put my truck in neutral and coast down the highway passes, I lose speed due to the wind resistance of the trailer. It would be different on low-speed mountain roads, for instance driving down Golden Gate Canyon, I'm sure it would pick up some charge.
Keep in mind in order to regenerate any sizeable amount of power, the truck would need to induce voltage that would act like braking. So add up wind resistance and the braking effect, you wouldn’t gain much if anything.
I agree that electric can be more efficient but at $114,000. You can replace the 31 gallon tank for a 70 gallon tank and add another 100 gallon fuel cell to the diesel and get more range, which you can’t do to the electric.
That cracked me up when he said the other guy thinks the hummer ev isn’t a heavy duty truck, so let’s take a look under the hood😂
I would love to see you really test the electric truck in a real world tuff towing here in eastern ky where the grades are 12to 16 % almost all curves no straight always and up and down and no charging infrastructure to see what options people living in mountain areas that don’t have highways and interstates that’s my challenge to u lol
Seems the easy answer is you won't get to your destination
Yes test in eastern Ky and make sure they both start off equal, ~120kwh full charge in the hummer and the equivalent 4 gallons of gas only (33.7 kWh = 1 gallon of gas) in the ICE truck. Oh and no refuelling for the ICE ( just to be fair with the “no charging infrastructure”).
Same thing in southwestern pa and West Virginia. Nothing but mountains and hills and sometimes its hard to find a gas station with diesel so an ev is out of the question. I find it funny when people even say they can pull 8k with a 1/2 ton. Maybe in Texas where it's all flat, but around here anything over 2 ton you're gonna need a diesel before you burn up a gasser
They do a loop I’m the rockies…
Ky doesn't have mountains ..just hills
Need a diesel “volt” style truck. Small diesel generator with electric motors for drive. Like a locomotive!
Yeah that would be a nice concept I never understood how come the big truck manufacturers haven't done some type of diesel electric hybrid setup instead of trying to go full EV...
Hybrid tech is most beneficial in stop and go driving. When towing over the road you are burning fuel. The electrification doesn't play any role. You end up burning the same amount of fuel.
I've been sayin that very same thing for years.......
The government wants total electric so they have total control
I've been sayin that for year as soon as this EV nonsense started.
Someone needs to diesel swap a Hummer EV
With my '99 Dodge 3500 dually with the 5.9 Cummins, empty, I can travel from Johnson City, TN to Texarkana, AR, which is 777 miles, on one tank of fuel. I have a 35 gallon tank, and when I took the trip I averaged 23 mpg which comes out to a range of 800 miles. I'd have to charge an EV at least twice along the way and lose a minimum of about 2 hours to charge, where it'll only take 15 minutes to fill up my diesel.
Did you bring back a load of coors though
@@lynskeyti9940 No. The Snowman already beat me to it. 😂
Time is the killer. Your estimate assumes the chargers will work and work properly and at top charging power. The reality is that it will take much longer then 2 hours to charge a truck. I am definitely a diesel proponent especially since they put DEF in it to clean it up. The diesel industry did all this work to find a better way and the leftists just try constantly to close down the diesel industry. It's insane.
@@phil4986 You're right, I was basing everything on perfect conditions that the developers and manufacturers of the EVs claim. The factors that I didn't include and the manufacturers don't tell you is how weather conditions effect range and charge times on the batteries.
@@mikeadams2677 You did say 'the minimum' so you were being fair. Hoovies on TH-cam just sold his co-owned, brand new, Ford Electric pickup truck because of HALF the range in the cold without towing anything. Ford had the gall to say, in the instructions for more range to turn off the heater. So much for defrosting your windshield.
now go behind that big grey wall and take a peek of the Diesel generator charging your electric vehicle :)
Pay NO attention to that Generator behind that wall!!!
Any one else notice that Andre’s fill up was only for half of the trip?
And it wasn’t to 100% charge. To make the full journey the EV would cost more
Someone did the math in another comment. "Thats awesome the charge was free, but let's use the numbers to find out the future cost. The Hummer charged from 7% to 51% for $37.41 according to the EA charger. So $0.85 for each 1%. At that rate it would cost $79 to charge the Hummer to 100%. Hummer cost per mile: $79 ÷ 123 miles = $0.64 per mile.
Cummins cost per mile: $105 ÷ 211 miles = $0.49 per mile"
Nicely done. Straightforward comparison and very interesting. The math review was perfect. I have driven that route many times. I was surprised by the low payload on the Hummer. My previous truck, a GMC Canyon Denali, has about the same payload. I ran the numbers and decided I needed a new Silverado with 500 lbs. more payload for our camper. I went with gas, but I really like the Duramax.
As a owner of a v10 super duty and an EV. These trucks should really be coming out in plug in hybrid versions with an ice only selectable mode. IMO.
Exactly... HYBRIDS are great... Thats why I still have my Prius even after buying a new Ram 3 months ago.... But I will NEVER buy a fully electric car... We aren't there yet
What I find freaking hilarious here is the cummins averaging 9.7 mpg pulling a 6000lb trailer... my 5th wheel camper is 11,000lbs that I pull with my f250 and since some very specific stuff has fallen off the bottom of the truck and off the passenger side of the engine I average 15mpg. 🤣🤣🤣
I do small deliveries for a company I work for at most. It's a ton or 2 in a trailer on a pickup they want to go electric. The more i watch these towing comparisons, the more interesting i think it's going to be.
I'm a Chevy/GM guy but for this one I'm rooting for the Ram.
Right now, it's hard to call an EV Truck "all-purpose" which most of us associate with a pick-up. There are some wins though it may be awhile before they equalize.
Maybe never…
Try a decade at least and that's being wishful. 🙄
I would love to see more Disel Hybrids.. Add some capacitors and a small battery bank to take advantage of regenerative braking .. Should not even need an engine brake .
That would add weight which would reduce towing capacity.
@@jasonpitts8395 Capacitors weight almost nothing .. Dodge already has this feature on some of their trucks
More shit that can break
@@mikeskidmore6754 if you’re meaning the Ram (dodge) etorque system, that uses something like a 1.8kw battery that really only works during auto start/stop. It’s a pointless “hybrid” (in the loosest terms) to get some credit from the epa, that gains nothing for the end user.
@@johnszafarczyk You are very I’ll informed freight trains have been diesel hybrid for decades…..
Great and very informative video! Personally, I think EVs are great for Uber like applications but, for all other things diesel or ICE.
Diesel IS ICE!!
i have the 2019 ram cummins 2500 - it's a beast - luv my truck - 13mpg towing a 28' travel trailer
I did appreciate the talk about the numbers and how much energy each vehicle has on board, haven't heard anyone actually compare on paper a ICE vs a EV. They may be more efficient but the battery tech isn't there. It would be tough but it would be cool to see a life cycle comparison for cost and total emissions to see just how green EV's are or aren't.
Watch the Engineering Explained video about EVs vs ICE, he does a total breakdown of lifetime emissions for each.
Batteries can be recycled. Diesel can get recycled...but it will take millions of years.
Well i just got few more aspects to consider : for example not sure if US have any pollution taxation but in Europe from 2020 European parliament added a new pollution tax for all ICE vehicles and that must be payed on all EU countries even by tourists that transit all countries that are members of EU.. another aspect they don't tell about is servicing because on long term use ICE have lots of consumables to be changed (filters, oil, rubber belts & hoses, rollers, gaskets & O-rings, water pump, cooling liquid, fuel pump, spark-plugs, brakes liquid, transmission fluid, all according to user manual exploitation so this comparison shows only one side, but for example a 10 year owning would be in advantage of BEV for less overall costs only insurance to pay and charging fees (no pollution taxation, less consumables & parts to be changed less hours spent in service less man/ labor payments) overall > smaller bills.. another important fact recently included on most major cities (in Europe) that if you want to go in weekends with family or friends with ICE cars in center of city to a good restaurant, gelaterie-ice-cream shop, kandy/cake/chocolate-shop, pizza & pasta, or to see local tourist attractions, museums, art gallery, opera, theatre-gardens, parks, castles.. etc is hard because authorities signed another EU rule that all ICE (diesel & petrol) vehicles can not be driven down town on any center streets of the city only allowed from airport to peripheral hotels.. for all BEV hybrids included the rule will not apply ( no worries because most services like taxis/uber/bolt already use full EV's across Europe).. So if we sum up and see all aspects on 10 years owning the BEV would totally win specially since very few people tow anything in EU, if they really need to move something big stuff furniture, paintings, big hardware etc.. they will definitely hire or rent moving services with lorries..
I knew diesel was energy dense but it's actually incredibly energy dense
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Diesel is only 30% more energy dense than regular gas. The problem is that ICE energy efficiency is under 40% and has been for decades. Improvements are only incremental, while electric motor efficiency is over 90% and batteries are improving constantly. The only consumer application batteries can't handle is long distance towing. Solid state batteries and high silicon anodes are coming and will remedy that deficiency.
For the next time, could you guys head west from Boulder Colorado and see if you could make it to Lake Granby, Frisco, or Vail in the Hummer/Ram trucks towing those trailers. That would really put a load on the vehicles making that climb in elevation.
18:40 Definitely a straight-piped squatted truck driving past 😂
Again, this efficiency conversion is silly. The amount of energy a Hummer uses from its battery isn't the bottom line, as it doesn't account for the cost/waste of generating and transmitting its power. How efficient is the grid? How much power is wasted by a turbine plant? How much power is wasted by power lines and transformers? How much power is wasted at the charger itself? In total, how much fossil fuel is used to make the equivalent? Ultimately, MPGe is a meaningless metric, because it ignores all the gallons wasted just making the equivalent gallon, so no point in conversions.
Natural gas power plants run at about 62% efficiency (coal and oil are much worse), transmission and charging is close to 90% (let's call it 85% to be generous). Gas/Diesel engines are at best 50% efficient (most are less), and that doesn't include the energy costs of refining.
When you include the fact that on average in the US renewables are 27% of the total power generated then electric is better than fuel (marginally). If you live in the Pacific Northwest which is powered by the Hoover Dam (or Toronto which is >90% hydroelectric) then the calculations are irrelevant.
@@robertharris1748 Whether you're being entirely accurate or not, I won't debate the accuracies of your comment, because it essentially reinforces my point.
Even if we say 50% power efficiency in total, from generation to your your EV's wheels, that only extends the emissions breakeven point even further, if there even is a breakeven point, which is already an uphill climb simply due to the fact that production emissions of an EV is greater than an ICE vehicle.
@@AkioWasRight like I say, it depends where you live. When the technology is more mature and battery recycling plants are operational (10 years?) it'll be interesting to recalculate emissions for vehicle manufacture. You also need to take into account (cradle to grave calcs) the oil etc needed for transmissions, engines etc. I haven't seen any solid data on battery life (anecdotal evidence, only, in both directions) or on vehicle life. Certainly the ICE vehicles I've driven have lost significant efficiency (mpg) over 10 years old. Whether that's because of build up in engines, or head gaskets getting old, I don't know, but the average efficiency of a 10 year old car is significantly less than. 50%.
@@robertharris1748 If your ICE vehicles are losing efficiency after only 10 years, your ICE vehicles are either poorly designed, or you aren't maintaining them correctly.
My Ram is nearly 10 years of age, with nearly 200,000 miles, and it gets better mileage now than when it was new. That's because it's all broken in and seasoned. That's how all ICE vehicles should perform as they reach such age.
I had a 1996 jeep that got worse and worse from year 10 (kept it for a further 8 years). I took it to a garage to get checked every year, or if i thought there was a problem. I am not a gearhead (like the vast majority of people), so I have no idea how well maintained it was. If it wasn't well maintained then I would anticipate that would be true for >50% of the cars on the road).
I still love my old 6.5 GM diesels. Plenty of power for normal pulling like on this clip and 15 to 20+ mpg.
Nice!👍
Hybrid drive trains are %100 the way to go, they provide power + economy + reliability. The Prius has been the most fuel efficient and reliable vehicles in the last 20 years. Andre’s own F150 is a real world example of hybrid systems, there are No negatives. But because of strictly political agendas they want to force feed EV’s that have significant flawed capabilities.
Bring it to Wyoming. TRY going from Cheyenne to Rock Springs.
Where electric vehicles will make sense for towing is for contractors like myself who do 30-80 mile round trips towing a landscape trailer around my county on a regular basis. But only if the electric truck is similarly priced to my existing ‘19 Ram 2500 crew cab longbed 4x4 diesel, which is essentially identical to the truck in this test. The savings per month in fuel would definitely add up.
Very interesting video. Comparing energy use should be talked about. You may have done it before but it'd be nice to compare the cost of energy when charging versus when fueling up too. When considering energy it's hard to believe how efficient that heavy hummer is. Thanks guys
Include acquisition cost. Amount over ICE applied to future fuel purchase.
The main issue is can the ev do what you need to do in the time you have to do it. Time is money and vacation time isn't very long. Like me I drive down to California on vacation takes me 18 hours to get to my destination towing a boat that's including stops, in an ev truck it would drastically increase drive time to the point I'm not sure I would have enough time to make that trip.
I got in a discussion on another forum about class 8 EVs.They we're saying it would do everything a diesel truck would. I challenged them to a test of hauling a 210 thousand excavator 450 miles without stopping to recharge.
how'd that go
That's actually fairly doable. The Tesla Semi did 500 miles flat under full load, although that was a fully covered trailer, an excavator isn't quite as aerodynamic.
It has to be noted though that the "no recharge" rule is dumb. Commercial drivers are required to make a rest stop after a few hours, I don't remember how many exactly, but still - no way the driver can do 450 miles in one go, and if they have to stop for 30 minutes anyway, why not recharge in the meantime?
@@wojciechmuras553 people come up with crazy scenarios to bash evs. “I bEt It WoNt Go FrOm TeXaS tO ChYnAh In OnE tRiP WiThOuT sToPiNg”
@@wojciechmuras553 I think you need to rethink the math.
I believe the 500 miles was with the flatbed hauling 44,000 lb of Jersey barriers at 81,000 lb Gross.
Well over double the frontal area, way more rolling resistance due to all the required extra axles, way more tare weight due to the mass of the trailer required and a 210,000 lb excavator. In my experience you will expend about 4 times the energy so maybe 125 mi range.
Electric trucks at current technology levels have potential as is for P&D operations for LTL carriers or other specific applications.
Traditional longhaul will need less weight and more range than current Li Ion Packs. If the packs that are just entering production can meet the marketing claims of 4x the energy density it could allow half the battery pack weight and double the range. At that point it will depend on the unit cost and battery pack longevity and replacement cost.
Diesel replaced gasoline, gasoline replaced kerosene (coal based), kerosene replaced whale oil and whale oil replaced wood only when economics dictated it. All the good intentions in the world are unlikely to make the transition to electric successful. You have to make it economically desirable.
The trucking industry would love to stop spending huge sums of money on diesel, just give them something that makes more cents (as in dollars and cents).
@@gk5891 Oh, you mean one of those excavators? Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of John Deere 160 P-tier, not mining excavators. For loads that unusual, true, Semi makes absolutely no sense, unless it's short-haul.
Still, there's a lot of jobs where the combination of load and range Tesla offers is perfectly adequate. And with the current prices of diesel versus current prices of electricity, I think it's viable economically.
The Tesla Semi probably isn't cheap. But depending on how it's priced, it might be a reasonable option already.
That hummer should be towing a giant diesel generator.
Yeah
That Hummer couldn't even pull my small Travel Trailer. A Winnebago Mini Plus 26, with a gvwr of 8800 Lbs. Fully loaded, ready to roll, for a nice week long trip weighs in at 8100 lbs. (as measured at a Cat Scale). Never mind heading to Florida for a winter getaway. By the way we pull it with a 2018 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi.
And it costs Fortune too.
Love the elevated voice…. 341 kilowatts…. Look at that. Soon we will hear, 1.21 jiga watts….Flux capacitor is ready to go doc. Good video TFL.
I will say that the EV's are not yet good enough for any long range anything as you guy's have shown in previous videos. I also believe as you had indicated the infrastructure is not there yet and will never be good enough in my life time. I live in Canada and I'd like to see a towing test like that done when it's -40.
Can't wait for a proper cold weather test. Denver area can get below 0F so they should be able to do it.
@@zachlafond2652 They wont. They need to keep getting test vehicles from manufacturers.