LIFT MOTOR ROOM tour with respect!! But which manufacturer? (installed1989)
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- IT HAS EVERYTHING... a quiz, tour, words about respect, a motor room and when/where not to use the word KNOB!
Yes, I know a "circuit board" is also called a computer so I'm not suggesting that there would be an actual 1990 computer in the motor room controller cabinet, but once upon a time I DID THINK THIS!! All explained...!
Initially the manufacturer is a mystery!! There is a motor room visit at the end and "respectful situation" to contend with!
was half expecting to see a 1980s Olivetti PC with a motor wired into the back.
bitmadmax COM OR LPT port?
@@andrewjames1982 More likely an RS-488 port for controlling industrial relays.
That's lovely of him to show you this Machine Room. :-)
“It’s all about respect!”
Fujitec, its so obvious. it has the text saying "Fujitec"
I'm really impressed that the engineer let you into the mechanical room especially since I know this building is very close to Heathrow.
The mechanicals looked very impressive... this is one elevator I could trust! And in tip-top shape too... a beautiful lift, the frosted glass was especially beautiful.
Your videos always fascinate me, and I admire your respect of someone else's job. I loved the layout of the floor selector and indicator!
Aye some youtube users really should take heed of your advice about respect...mentioning no names
The video wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, it just reflects my stance on life that if you respect people then in the long term people class you higher and opportunities come you way. I asked for access, the building manager was obliging and I didn't push my luck in the company of the engineer that took me up there.
Talking of respect, I've only ONCE had to search for a job which was when I left school at 16. After this, I've worked for 8 different companies and I've been handed opportunities to work at different companies and better positions. The company I work for now, I've been here for almost 8 years. When people in my previous company noticed things going down the pan, word went out that mrmatt was looking to move companies and my previous manager had a connection to the manager where I work now. He put a good word in and I managed to get out before things did go downhill. WHY? Because I respect people (until such time as they don't deserve it). People remember... "mrmatt? oh yeah he's alright he is".
Disrespect people and this is also remembered and I have a long memory.
I can tell that the people you are referring to have seen this video and assumed that I was referring to them. It very interesting and to be honest I can't be bothered, don't have the time and basically I don't give a damn. My life evolves around my family, my job, kickboxing and helping out kids in other kickboxing classes, friends and then (if I have any time left) youtube. I film stuff when I have time, stuff that I consider interesting, then I spend loads of time editing then upload it in the hope that others also find it interesting.
Anyway, after all that, thanks for the comment :) :D
*Cough* Beno Lifts *Cough*
Massive thank you to that maintenance guy. I am glad he had the kindness to take the time and allow you to go in. (No doubt there are managers and H&S people shaking their heads though. I hope that no jobs were compromised fulfilling your request. :) )
They could have said no, but I did point out that I was an engineer and in the room next door doing some product training which I think helped.
4:20 Do any of these lifts have the full voice module with all the announcements? That's if you can remember LOL!
Your channel is the perfect mix of "lift" and "elevator", to please the corndogs across the pond from me and you, matt!
thanks! Not sure what a corndog is, but it's a long way to come for a hotdog? :)
@@mrmattandmrchay neither am i.. heh
Nice one. It's amazing what interesting experiences you can sometimes get simply for asking.
+Terry Clark My colleague who I was doing the training course with went to reception and asked for me and was refused. But little did he know that I'd already got there early and filmed it. His reaction was quite funny. ... "OMG trust you Matt" ... he couldn't believe it but then he changed his mind and said yep that's typical Matt!!!
Ooooh those lifts look amazing!
its wae to amayzeng
Man, this brings memories of the old malaysia buildings! They were used to have Schneidler M - Series and Schneidler D -Series everywhere! The commonly used escalator,lifts,travellator in the old days were comminly FujiTec
1990 mrmattandmrchay: computer controlled lifts are cool
2019 mrmattandmrchay: relay controlled lifts are cool
It's good to see the lift is still original apart from the call buttons. I've actually seen a similar type of this Fujitec lift in my hotel back during my holiday in Osaka, Japan but sadly they modernized the inside with plain blue LCD display and white buttons, leaving the original buttons outside intact.
Nice vid,even though we can't see the computer but anyways,i understand u can't show the computer,anyways,i agree with u strongly,Respect,anyways,nice vid,thanks!
+Mr Penguin2 thanks for the comment :)
I love old computers
anyways
It would be so nice if the lift companies documented the history of their own lifts better so that you didn't need to go through so much trouble to make these videos. When I saw the thumbnail I thought you had finally built your own demo lift system :-)
If I'd been still at school, or not married or had no kid then maybe I'd have done that already! It's always in the back of my mind to build a model lift with "everything I want" on it and I've already designed it "in my head" LOL! Problem is, until I retire (many years to go!!) then I just don't know how to find the time to even start such a project.
mrmattandmrchay Is this filmed on a GoPro Hero 5 perchance?
+Tubedude10 nope... It's a gitup2. It was a decision between an sjcam and the gitup2. The gitup2 had the best stablisation of all the action camera range so I went for this one. At £80 so far I haven't regretted my decision. Thanks for the comment
Except in low light!! But there are not many budget action cameras that are any good in low light.
Love the Olivetti idea! It's hilarious :D
+Mike i386 I got this idea as when I was a kid I once saw an advert of an Olivetti PC with a lift in the immediate back ground. The advert said "Olivetti controlling a modern day lift system". As I explained in the vid after this I thought that everything was plugged into a standard PC LOL
Looks like a very nice building and those elevators are very nice
Btw, that top level walkway, along with the entire inside of the building at 4:30 looks similar to some recurring dreams I have been having in recent years. Hmmm... Fascinating.
David Irwin do you also have recurring dreams about lifts?
2P PRODUCTIONS Not so much lifts as a building that looks kind of like the one featured in that particular part of the video. It's noting really. :)
The Computer was locked because someone forgot to close the Dirty Chrome Tabs
Damn, a Fujitec in the UK! Is this at the Hilton at the Heathrow?
That was quite nice of the guy to do that for you. Respect gets you everywhere, also shouting a pint afterwards doesn't hurt ;)
That was an awesomely stylish lift and thte initial thought was Mitsubishi but never seen a Fujitec over here.
In other news, somewhere, instructions read like this: "Insert shaft B into hole C. Once complete, screw knob A onto shaft B. Pull lever." :P
I suppose it depends where those instructions were located... if from a brothel that I'd start to worry LOL!! Thanks for the comment.
Insert shaft lmao
That was real nice of the guy to let you into the motor room.
When I was at training school I'd go to Oriental City every week. All you can eat chinese and three for two beers!
Awesome video mate, very interesting indeed. I saw a diversion pulley system just like that in the Belsize Park deep level shelter when I had a tour, as the lift shaft also acts as a ventilation system.
Ah right, interesting! I went to this shopping centre a few times when it was open. Now it's been demolished and a Morrison's has popped up in it's place. Doesn't quite have the same character!
When i saw the "big" grey door open/close buttons, i immediately knew its a fujitec lift!
Are you planning any trips to Stockport? I replied on previous vid of the lifts there
That's a very health and safety conscious motor room, isn't it!
Fantastic video. Well done.
+Michael A Scott thanks ;)
Lets hope they don't fully modernize this lift! Great video
+Bon Ron They can now I've filmed it haha! They wouldn't let me into the main motor room as it required a permit.
Would have been nice to see the computer controls, but still a great video!
Thanks
mrmattandmrchay could you see if you could get a shot of the computer?
What's the name of the song at 1:32?
Talk to Me - Haxhigeaszy
Singapore has alot of fujitec and EM lifts
Really cool I hope it does not get modernised
Amazing how they used full intelligent levelling back then but now we just use crap 2 speed levelling on modern day lifts (excluding Mitsubishi and other good quality brands)
Good video as usual
Thanks :)
Much less noise in the computer controlled rooms than the relay control rooms..nice...
yep, I do miss the noises that the older machine rooms make - noises that would have terrified me as a kid!
Do you like the lifts with glass walls so you can see out?
+Homeless Johnson hi. Not bothered really it just has to be an old lift ;)
We have 3 original Fujitec lifts in our school library. Mechanical bumpers and all. It also havs an original Otis with a Nixie Tube display.
Nice! I've seen a few Schindlers with Nixie tubes. I think the Nixie tubes look a but scary! If you get a chance to take a photo please email me at mattw.youtube@virginmedia.com thanks
I'm guessing by "Computer control" they mean first gen PLC control, which is basically the same thing, microprocessor chip etc etc.
Seems to be a japanese version of fujitec. Didnt know it exists in UK. Are thr lifts still alive in 2022?
Wow. I would've bet $1M it was Mitsubishi until I saw the nameplate!! The flashing arrows steered me towards Mitsubishi and the floor indicator is IDENTICAL to EVERY 90's Mitsubishi I've seen in Los Angeles and San Francisco... and then you panned up!! Holy crap!! I'm glad I didn't bet!! I find the reference to computing machines interesting though. I grew up during the 70's & 80's when home computing machines were just starting to be a real thing. I owned all 5 versions of the TRS/Tandy Color Computer and everyone I knew was amazed what they could do. However, the general public was just dabbling in kid's stuff compared to what the computer science world was doing. People forget that the US military defenses were already being processed by massive, powerful (for the time) computing machines in the 1950's and were entirely managed by computers in 1957 when IBM's Semi-Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) went into use. While elevator systems were nowhere as complex as SAGE, Selectomatic and Autotronic controller/dispatching systems were already "thinking" at this point. The general public STARTED to THINK they understood computers after the release of the Mac and even more so with the release of Win/95. At any rate, it's just interesting... With the first computers in the late 1940's, the first e-mail in 1971, and the first home computers in 1974, it's interesting how many people think that computers didn't even exist prior to the 1990's...
This channel I love your channel!!
Should of snuck in there and played with it all haha
Not without a key...!
@@mrmattandmrchay haha true there bound to be more like this about u could get acsess two ? And like your videos buddy
@@mrmattandmrchay haha true there bound to be more like this about u could get acsess two ? And like your videos buddy
Forget the old computer i bet it had a MacBook lol jk i also agree with giving respect as that has got me into some old O&K motors rooms.
+Max From London That would have been interesting to see upon opening the cabinet! However, I suppose any circuit board with a processor on it could be classed as a computer and thats probably all it is.
Yeah... respecting people gets you further in life than these people who have no respect for other people's property or other people. I try to run a respectable channel
This is weird but i am from Princess Risborough which is a few miles inbertween high wycombe :)) Hope i bump into you when riding some lifts.. Not that theres any nice ones left..
Yes, you are just up the road from me! I agree about finding nice ones, the only way is to either request access into place where you know they are (I still have a few requests in progress) or to go to places like Chernobyl/Pripyat! Great to hear I have some views near by :)
I think there is an early solid state controller called the Millar CVT that runs on a Unix operating system! It has a CRT display in the controller. I don't think any Millar controllers exist in the UK but I could be wrong.
I think I saw something like this on ElevatorAdjuster's youtube channel. Remember him? For everyone that doesnt he obtained a large following from videos he did while working at his job as elevator engr. Had to close his yt acct as otis were not happy with it and refused to give him his pension unless he took it down when he retired. Such a shame :(
I remember his videos. His channel was probably one of my favorite channels. I miss them.
Lovely vid , in the 70's Marryat and Scott were the first lift company to have solid state controllers and first computerised controllers in late 70's called CNC 2000 that also did its own fault finding as well as telexing the office what the fault was ,first of which was installed in Southampton about 1976 ,though since sadly modernised.
+Keith Huddy cool excellent information. Telexing the office LOL... even I'm going to have to Google that one! !! Was it a dedicated controller by MS or an off the shelf PLC programmed by MS?
It was perfected by M&S themselves ,all their controllers were made at Basingstoke by M&S mechanical handling division .
There again googling the subject myself ,it may have been a commercial system M&S adapted for lift use
Hitachi in the 90s also have a Computer Control too very different from Schindler Miconic Controller
nice video
Got it at 1:12 when the doors opened.....I recognized the buttons.
Maybe Fujitec like what the COP said. They have been around in the 80s
Its some kind of futuristic fujitec, everything is by fujitec in the lift
I like Fujitec though, quite rare in the UK
Very quiet. Miss the whine and relay chatter but 'progress' has it's drawbacks. Good one anyway.
Sega games! I wish we had something like that in the netherlands. Is building modernized on the inside? The glazing around the lift shafts look very early 2000-ish. The fujitec lift still looks quite modern today, good on you fujitec (as EEVBLOG dave jones would say).
+dykodesigns2yt haha. Well the building was demolished last year. Loads of photos all over the Internet about it though (not the lifts though ). As always thanks for the comment
Fujitec lifts are common in my country
This looks to me like a 3 phase motor with a VFD for speed control.
As I can hear, an inverter is used to drive a motor :)
I those yeras inverters weren't so popular :)
Why the diverting sheaves? Seems like they wanted the motor room close to the top floor, so the whole motor assembly wouldn't fit on top of hoistway (like you "normally" do it) so they needed to divert the cables so they could fit the motor where it would fit? Or is this a way to fit many lifts very close to each other which means the counterweights have their own hoistway where there is 5, 6 counterweights togerher?
Lack of room at the top of the shaft, especially above the lift when it's at the top floor. So the shaft was extended up further into the plant room which meant there was no room to mount the machine on top of it. So the ropes were diverted to the side where the machine (it's quite large as you can see) would definately fit and be easy to work on.
What's the music at 1:32? It's pretty good.
April Kolwey I like your profile pic
Talk to Me - Haxhigeaszy
yes indeed respect for the machine and controller panels in the machine room is paramount As you commented 415V of three phase power within. It's a well designed machine room with the cages around the machines and controllers, thus safety was given top priority. Was this a double wrapped traction machine? I believe I saw a third shieve, near the driven shieve.
Thanks. Nope it's not a double wrap sheave. I wonder if all the cages were in place in 1989 when it was installed. I think the cages were installed in the 2000s when H&S kicked in.
Hmmm the chime sounds familiar maybe this lift is FUJITEC it is a brand usually seen in Singapore and its old lifts have this chime
Oops I should have seen later parts anyway my Guess is correct woohooo
Also the indicator looks like fujitec as well (I found it in a mall in my country)(Singapore)
intro song ???
I think it's custom-made.
I've wanted to know this for AGES as well!!!
Maybe Fujitech is some sub-branch of Hitachi that made lifts before being incorporated into Hitachi ;-D
Definitely not.
1:32what is the song at this part 1:32 ?
Talk to Me - Haxhigeaszy
In the 80s the statement "computer controlled" or "microprocessor controlled" appeared very often. One example were the tape deck using logic transport with track searching, auto something ... they had, in fact, a "microcomputer" inside running a small program. To me computer controlled could be, just a propietary computer like most of the lifts use, or, perhaps an industrial ones that are VERY VERY small footprint, proper computers not bigger than a letter size book. I have seen a BIG lcd screen with graphic representations of the lifts in a big building, which had 8 lifts, all linked. The screen was in the lobby, not sure way, it look pretty early 90s graphics, DOS ones. But I dont believe there is a comptuer controlling all of them, instead just a data terminal and display. Probably they could fit the dispatcher in the computer, but each lift most have it own rugged controller in the end. If dispatcher crash, ok, just keep running without any optimization. To me is still posible to fully fit a lift in a PC, just feel a bit weird triyng to think them as 7x24x365, when even probably servers cant reach that. I like the respect mention. Is all about respect. A shame you can get into this controller, but, if something goes wrong the guy is the one to blame, probably will lose his job. Its a very reasonable situation. I see many lift vids and sometimes happen that there is not respect at all, for the place or property. I love seeing motor rooms and controllers, but not in that way. Cheers.
Thanks for the message. Yup, I understand what you are saying. In some of our systems in the late 90s there was a terminal which simply repeated characters coming from controller. Very simple interaction between terminal and controller.
Thanks for the mention about the respect element! We all have to be careful not to overstep the mark, especially when we are being "hosted" into an environment.
There are a lot of these lifts in a shopping center in Shanghai,but they were not computer controlled...
+Tianyi Yu Probably all lifts from the 1990s onwards are controlled by a computer of some type. A circuit board with a microprocessor is enough to be classed as a "computer". This is the only lift that i can think of that advertises it is controlled by one.
mrmattandmrchay Yeah, there is a shopping centre in shanghai that have all these Fujitec they are all installed in 1998 and all the buttons are exactly the same as the one you filmed but some how they turned two of them into a 'express lift' last year.
mrmattandmrchay as long as it consists of a processor and a circuit board, it's a computer
It is Fujitec elevators
Running on a 386 on an IBM PC
Please give me the link of this music 1:30
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AC Fujitech, have a bunch of then on my route
Ich habe so einen alten Olivetti Computer, ist ein Klassiker :-)
I bet it has 5 1/4 inch floppy drives! And no hard drive!
Correct !
Currently an lift mate is it worth it to be an lift engineer is the money good
Sorry, I've no idea. I'm in a different industry, but I am in engineering and our company has a service and installation team, so I suppose in a way its similar. I suppose it depends which company you work for and the position you are in. But (wait for it) working in lift industry must have it's ups and downs (OMG can't believe I put that!! Worst joke in the world)
mrmattandmrchay Lol! Terrible!
that 1970's Express DMR motor room comes to mind. although everything is smaller. are there any advantages in divertion sheave systems?
ps: i don't think the word knob should be used anywhere xD
pps: when you thought a PC would be in there you weren't being foolish, you were just anticipating the future th-cam.com/video/iEIM2e7uWV4/w-d-xo.html :P
Sonic, SONIC EVERYWHERE!1
What if thst computure is inside of the control box I understand that t
You cant show us. Thats fine.
I can you understand but I WANT TO SEE THE CONTROLLER PLEASE XDDD
The indicator looks almost exactly like Mitsubishi.
Yes indeed!
Thanks for the video, Matt and a gib thumbs up on what you said about respect!
But there's one thing I just don't understand - maybe everyone in Britain will start laughing with tears when I ask this question, but I have to risk it. What's wrong with the word "knob"? Speaking English only as my second language (I'm from Germany) I would personally expect something to be pushed called a button and a knob being something to be turned, but I guess that's not what you mean. I realy don't get it, sorry... (Now expecting everyone to laugh at me, but I hope I can handle it... ;-) )
Colaholiker The word knob is a slang word for the male genitalia.
Okay, I expected it to be something in that direction, but I didn't know the exact details. Makes a lot of sense now, thanks. ;-)
+Colaholiker haha ;) yes, the word knob... if you wait to someone "can I see your knob" then, well you are askinh the other person to get our his penis!!! So when I noticed that sign I thought I would make a comment about using that word in a toilet!!! :D glad you know the meaning. I think it's ok to say "that door has a knob" but be careful how you use the word haha
Pitfalls for non native speakers - but trust me, if you started learning German, there would be similar "dangers" ;-)
fyi, I'm quite sure, I will *never* ask anyone that question in my whole life... *lol*
the motor is pulse controlled instead of direct power
I know a place for old lifts, Disney Pop Century take the lifts to go up in the 70s building and they look like old Otis lifts.
It did say otis
Just did a search and found one guy who did a tour of the elevators in this place. Unfortunately they look like modernized elevators now.
Where is this?
A hotel (Hilton I think) near Heathrow
mrmattandmrchay Cool
mrmattandmrchay Shame you missed it, there was once a classic OTIS at BHS Leicester, since they’re rebuilding the store inside I can safely assume that they’ll replace or modernise the lift. :(
Will let you know if they’ve left it original here. (Doubt it though)
Most of the BHS stores had old otis lifts. Filmed a load myself. But you're right... that's the first thing that will be ripped out and modernised if the building reopens.
mrmattandmrchay Will let you know if not. (But will be amazed)
Fujitec !
+ProTxch yup ;)
The manufactures are probably going to be Porn & Dunwoody.
In this video th-cam.com/video/qH3jJJC1Ltk/w-d-xo.htmlm8s which mrmattandmrchay has seen before :D you can see a setup in a LMR moreso of what you'd probably have expected to be in that machine room, an actual PC monitor displaying the position and status of the elevator cars
The lift is a Mitsubishi Elevator
No it's a fujitec.
"I'm not suggesting that there would be an actual 1990 computer in the motor room"
Go find yourself a Millar CVT :)
(or, heck, GALaxy controllers are x86 single-board computers running DOS...)
+Carter Kolwey we still have one or two systems running DOS. In fact my house system runs QBasic which is a DOS program.
Before ElevatorAdjuster took his videos down, he had some nice ones showing a Millar CVT system in action. The sort of "management console" (and possibly the controller itself?) was a computer running Unix, with a nice old amber-screen monitor and everything.
On a more modern note, the MCE "iControl" system has a Windows XP computer doing the dispatching.
Designed my milling machine's digital readout on DOS a couple of years ago running on an junked industrial Pentium-MMX PC. Access to the parallel port is unrestricted and if all you need is one thread and textmode graphics, it's fine. Compiled it with Borland Turbo C++!
+Carter Kolwey (cheapie) thanks for the comment. Just seen that movie and quite interesting. I thought it was some kind of status screen showing whats going on but it seems to be more integrated than I thought
Did you just revealed your face the mirror in the lift showed your face
Not an issue.... have many videos showing me inc my Q&A from a couple of years ago. Its also on my channel homepage.
"With respect" aka you didn't have a key or sneaked in!
If this was the case, then everything (including any consequences) would have been at my risk, which is different. Whilst I was in there with the maintenance guy then anything that happened would have come back on the maintenance guy as being the responsible party. Hope that makes sense :)
Hey mrmattandmrchay, can you add my subtitles to this video? I have contributed.
Hi, when did you submit the subtitles? Nothing has come up on my emails and cannot see anything new on the "translations and transcripts" section yet.
I'll resend (if that is what you call it.)
not sure ;)
If you check now, they might be there. I have clicked the "submit contribution" button.
Yup, found it. Thanks for doing that. Does youtube automatically detect the voice and change it to text, or do you have to input all the text?
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