Totally, Ani just shows up, completely out of the blue, and already she knows everyone's secrets, and they immediately accept her into their social circles, despite her not having been around for any of the previous events, and not knowing a thing about them!
Trina Q exactly! it would’ve been cool if she was around in the beginning, even if she was a background character. viewers could’ve recognized her and gone into her story but nope, they just introduced someone new which didn’t make sense.
The warning before 13rw: If you feel alone talk to a trusted adult, like a school counselor! The characters in 13rw: We can't go to the school counselor!!! Hannah did and look where she is.
Dumb Lil Blonde well another issue is she didn’t say anything wasn’t willing to talk to him. But he can’t force her to say anything. But he should of prob called her parents or something.
@@starylize Not just the 13RW fandom. This is happening increasingly often across a lot of different fandoms. People just can't seem to work out that actors aren't the characters they play and that actors have very little control over what gets put in the script.
The Pasty British Guy From Wonderwoman what makes me sick about it is this isn’t even their first time that they did shit like this the actor for jar jar binks almost killed himself he was bullied so badly for playing jar jar
It’s especially ridiculous because the show claims to bring awareness to bullying and mental illness, but then the fans go and... bully one of the actors. Wtf
the guy who plays bryce ( Justin Prentice ) is constantly harassed on instagram over what his character did. it’s not his fault that Bryce is a rapist. not Justin. it’s so irritating.
I've been getting into twitter/reddit arguments about Bryce's redemption arc. People seem to think if you don't like it you just didn't 'get' what they were going for. No, I got it. Bryce isn't a cartoon villain (even though they wrote him that way for 2 seasons). People are complex and life isn't black and white. Fantastic. But no amount of crying to mommy or daddy issues is EVER going to make me empathise with a serial rapist, are you joking? A lot of people have difficult lives and don't resort to hurting others. People are more mad this season that Ani was nosy than the fact Bryce raped 10 women. If a serial rapist's redemption arc doesn't start with getting out of prison- preferably after serving several decades- I'm not interested.
Ellen M I’ve been seeing fucking fan edits of Bryce and Monty...like what the fuck is that shit. I hate this stupid show and all the comments I’ve seen standing up for those rapists and psychopaths.
As a person who suffer sexual abuse in my tweens days and forgive the abuser, i can really say you that this people have no remorse what so ever, are literally monsters (or at least the closest to them that i meet in my real life). The whole redemption arc of bryce and ALL THE PEOPLE BUYING IT is sick to me. I use to belive in redemtion, my abuser was my cousin and a i find the strenght for forgive him only for him years later attempt to rape a another memeber of my family. Sorry but for me rapist and sexual abusers are monsters, simple as that. (sorry if my english is kind of poor)
13 reasons should've been a netflix movie. With a heavy trigger warning and maybe actually listening to mental health professionals to not romanticize suicide
Seconded, the first season gives off the impression that Hannah only felt powerful and gained control once she had committed suicide, and everyone realizes the error of their ways. Needless to say, in reality, you don't get to gain satisfaction from your own death, or stick around to ensure that your sort of ex-boyfriend carries out your plans for vengeance.
also the suicide scene really truly wasn't necessary nor did it add much to the show or story besides freaking people out. the part where her mom walks in and finds her would've been good enough
@@Grace-fu6mf she originally got attached to the project when they were going to make a movie out of the book. She was going to produce and play Hannah Baker. She aged out of the role, so now they just made this garbage show that killed 200 people and paid her a ton of money.
What they're doing is basically supporting the idea that mental disorders and trauma can excuse horrible and inexcusable *choices* (when it's actually that mental disorders and trauma EXPLAIN those choices, not excuse them, and them supporting the opposite both raises the stigma with mental disorders and trauma survivors but also literally supports people who used their trauma as an excuse for their horrible actions) and also backtrack any of their "progress" in helping the mentally ill and rape victims by instantly shaming them and shoving them under the bus just because people gave good reasons as to how they shouldn't be supported. Yikes.
NO one is excusing behavior. The whole point of 13 reason is to show that people are (Human Beings) neither good nor bad, who make choices and those choices have action and consequences. The choice of suicide, rape, murder, forgiveness, choices to help or hurt those around us. The whole point is empathy and understanding. understand why bryce raped Hanna, understand why hannah killed her self, understand why the person who murder bryce killed him. This show is soo progressive, yes the script sometimes is a little cringe but its doing something that has never been done before. Its not sugar coating shit, I grew up watching shows talk about rape, suicide, drug addiction. But in today's shows when ever someone depressed the character goes " im really sad" no your fucking depressed and thats not something to tip toe around. " oh I was sexually assaulted" No you were raped. And the facts of this society is that rapist and murder learn better. We dont want to admit it but some people who make those choices actually feel bad for those choices. They do stuff to try and make up for it. this show is unapologetic for showing the real world and its issue. As someone who has depression and suicidal tendencies, who tried to kill themselves before It was a breath of fucking fresh air to watch a show like this.
Explaining the nature of behavior isn't making excuses for anything. That's a bullshit perspective. How can you prevent behavior if you don't understand why/how it develops? That's the entire reason we've spend decades studying serial killers, but nobody is pardoning their actions....
I think the issue is you're seeing it as excusing when everyone related to making it actively goes out of their way to say No, we are NOT excusing it, we are just EXPLAINING the context behind it and showing how it's not just one person who's to blame, it's their parents, it's their family, it's their friends, it's society for putting people in these positions as well. Everyone had chances to change things. Everyone has a role. When someone dies, even the worst person ever, it's tragic. The chance for someone to develop into a good, healthy human just ended. Forever. It's sad. For some people, maybe a lot of people, there's no way they can "get better" from the shitty things they do. But for a lot of them, they could. For a lot of them, there are underlying issues and if everyone could sit down without any bias and without any hate and just listen to everyone around them, maybe we could get a more understanding world where EVERYONE has a chance to get better. That would be beautiful.
Yeah, I think nuance and subtlety is great when writing any character, even one who's done reprehensible things; but it really doesn't work when you've just spent two seasons going out of your way to ensure that we see that character as the worst sort of human being in the world.
@@DorianCairne i agree. he went from a moustache twirling villain for two whole seasons without any hints to suggest he's remorseful to being humanised every 5 seconds lmao. they're definitely writing as they go along riverdale style
Season 3 Bryce seems like a completely different character from the smug, irredeemable antagonist we were introduced to in the first two series. Bryce's whole redemption arc might have been more credible had it been hinted in any way during the previous installments, but it's likely that this was only done to prevent Bryce's actor, Justin Prentrice, from receiving any more hate than he already has.
13rw in a nutshell season 1: extremely graphic and triggering suicide scene with terrible portrayal of depression season 2: extremely graphic and triggering rape scene season 3: ok now we gonna try and feel empathy for rapists? side note: the people who wrote season 3 seem like the type of people to defend/be fans of ted bundy
Its kind of a rape sympathist show. Hannah is portrayed as Boderline killing herself for revenge on those she feel wronged her but a victim of sexual assault. Ani gives Bryce a redemption arc. The whole thing is an exercize of negative stereotypes of mental illness and rape victims. 2019 everybody :/
The suicide scene in season one was one of the hardest scenes I've ever tried to watch on television. I actually couldn't look at the screen through part of it. And the season two rape scene was almost as hard to watch. I still have not watched season three.
It's probably because once one of their shows picks up fame, they tend to keep coming out with new seasons for the shows in little amount of time. Example: Voltron, that show had like 6-7 episodes for at least 4 of the seasons and all of them came out in a short frame of time. Although, this doesn't apply to all Netflix originals. Example: Stranger Things.
Given the immense hatred of Ani, they might end up putting her on a bus in Season 4, probably the same one that took Ryan, Marcus, Nina, Sheri, Scott and Courtney away. Or, they could drastically reduce her role in some way.
Ok so, I’m a victim of sexual abuse as well as a suicide attempt. I watched the entirety of the show, even though it was incredibly triggering. And the thing is, for a while, I defended it. It’s sad but I wanted to hold onto the idea that the show was good because it’s so rare for rape to be portrayed on tv. Like it’ll appear but it’s never shown as being a huge deal. And I was so happy to have representation, to be able to look at Jessica’s growth and be hopeful. I know it sounds stupid but I really wanted to like the show. Asides from the whole redemption arc, what really pissed me off was that like “if you want to be a victim you can stay here, or you can join the real survivors”. The words survivor vs victim are very symbolic to those who’ve experienced assault or abuse. And it really pissed me off to see it being thrown around so lightly. Typically, it’s the person’s choice on how to identify, I see it as steps, at first you identify as a victim but eventually you can call yourself a survivor, not when someone else tells you to but when you feel ready. I still identify as a victim, not because I’m weak or not trying hard enough, but because I’m still in a stage where I can’t call myself a survivor, I haven’t stopped having nightmares and I still am suicidal. Anyways, this is just to say that if you ever want to talk about this show and my perspective on it you can ask me, I don’t know if it would be valuable, but sometimes hearing a victim’s opinion can be helpful. I really wanted to have a show where I was represented and it led me to grasping onto this shit show for way to long. It honestly just sucks living life wanting to die and feeling guilty for having your uncle abuse you while tv shows never show that, it just increases the sense of not belonging. Obviously not every teenager is a victim of abuse but it would be cool to see representation
Just to complete the previous comment, I identified really heavily with Hannah in the first season. I had recently chopped all my hair off and tried to kill myself. So seeing that on screen gave me a sense of not being alone. Obviously she ends up killing herself but being able to go through that journey with her ended up kind of giving me hope. It was still super triggering but I felt so legitimized by seeing myself onscreen. I love teen shows and was obsessed with PLL and glee, but I could never relate to any of the typical high school stuff. I never had relationship drama because I was isolating myself from everyone, I didn’t have a lot of typical high school experiences in the first place because I was so sick in 9th and 10th grade that I was homeschooled and spent most of the time in the hospital. So seeing something I could finally relate to really made me feel real.
@@qu3enpersephone I don't know anything about being the victim but the "I am a survivor so I stand up to show this" rubbed me the wrong way. I thought it kind of makes it that you can't be a survivor if you don't announce it to the world. What did you think about this scene ?
@@judgmentangel5413 it didn't really rubbed me the wrong way it was clear to me that the choice was yours if you wanted to stand up or not I think they wanted to show it was a way to sort of show that you're ready to call attention to what happened to you
I dont like how they portrayed school shooters. They were walking the line of making Tyler's act justified to making school shootings serious. Pick one. I learned from studies that shooters ste not always mentally I'll like we all assume and sometimes they are the bullies in their school. Literally 20 minutes in I stopped watching (on a bootleg site since I didnt want Netflix to profit financially from this) because it was portraying everything about school so wrong.
one of my friends who watched the 3rd season was talking ab how cute and sweet tyler was... i was like he was ab to shoot up his school.. the only reason he didn’t was bc clay stopped him. she tried arguing by saying he regretted it and was bullied and blah blah blah but no he literally was gonna kill people lmao
As Alex from the channel "I hate Everything" pointed out in his review of Season 2, the aftershow "Beyond the Reasons" has a psychologist they use for fact checking state that she wouldn't advise anyone to attempt to talk down a prospective school shooter, as it could only end badly. She instead suggested barricading the doors, making sure that everyone was safe, and calling the police.
school shooters are usually white supremacists because what drives them to committing a massacre is believing they and their morals are above everyone else
Again, this is another case where it's showing the grayness of everything. Yeah, some shooters are probably assholes, but even with them it all started somewhere and that start could've been because of trauma. Every human had a life before the bad thing they did. Every person went through things you didn't see because you weren't there.
Disclaimer I do not condone rape and I never will. But I think you don’t understand that there are people (especially men) who were raised to think that women were beneath them and they didn’t know any better. I don’t watch 13 reasons why so I don’t know much about this character but don’t you think it’s possible for people to realize that what they’re doing is wrong. From what I’ve heard no one came forward and told him that what he was doing was wrong and even if they did he might not have realized that what he was doing was serious. Look at the little boy that was having sex with his little sister he had no idea what he was doing was wrong, should he be punished for not knowing the laws of society and understanding them? I guess because where you live (I’m assuming America) you have jails instead of rehabilitation centers where they make the criminals or guilty persons understand the depth of the crime they’ve committed. You aren’t a psychologist because you would have never made an ignorant statement like that. Again I am not in anyway defending rape or rapists but it pisses me of with this level of ignorance in this comment section.
Khaleesi Fuego the character felt no remorse after a girl killed herself after he raped her and she specifically said that he was one of the reasons for her suicide. Then he tried to silence others who wanted to speak out about his behavior. Also, since when is it possible for a rich white educated 17 year old to not know that it’s a crime to drug girls, then gangbang them while they are unconscious and make Polaroid photos of himself penetrating her unconscious body... You are the one being ignorant because you spoke on this topic without knowing the storyline. After he has been gaslighting, manipulating and ridiculing his victims in court in the final episode of the second season, we are introduced to a remorseful character and you don’t get any explanation as to why he is all of a sudden not a psychopathic piece of trash. It just sends a dangerous message to young girls because it implies that guys like that can actually be good guys and they even made him the romantic interest of the friend of his rape victim. It’s just gross🤮🤮🤮🤮
sortasofi I’m sorry if I misread your comment but you didn’t specifically call out Bryce Walker. You said “since when do Serial Rapists feel remorse...” no where in that statement did you say Bryce Walker. Also please don’t assume he was a psychopath or sociopath, he could have just never known that what he was doing wrong. Let’s say you were to go to North Korea and do something that you weren’t aware was illegal, does that make you evil? No it means you had no idea what you were doing was wrong. It’s like saying the Caribs were wrong because they allegedly practiced cannibalism, which would be wrong because the concept of good and wrong are Social Constructs which constantly change. I’m not condoning rape but I think 13 reasons why should have shown it a bit more from his perspective, there’s always three or two sides of a story (depending on the story).
Jonatan Perez “You should be a little progressive but also a little racist” No, that doesn’t make any sense. You shouldn’t be moderate when it comes to issues like this. Nuanced, yes, but not moderate. I’ll never be a moderate when it comes to rape, it’s wrong period and not up for debate. Same with equality in general. People like MLK hated the moderates and the more I know about politics the more I understand why.
Agreed, this show made suicide seem glamorous, and implied that it was the only way Hannah could gain power and be taken seriously. The fact that they initially showed her graphic suicide was TOO much, as it could possibly trigger viewers suffering from depression or suicide idealation.
@@pollythepengiun3927 because it's promoted as RaIsInG AwArENeSs so people wanna watch it + season 1 didn't have a fucking warning on literally the most triggering scene?? Don't defend this garbage show I'm sure you're better than this
this show is a great example of how great storylines are wasted by making more and more seasons. it is sad to see how they act all socially aware and everything but ruin what could actually be a powerful message to make money
Right. I personally loved season 1. Maybe even season 2 to really wrap up the trial even if Bryce got away with it, bc sometimes they do get away with it. But it shouldve ended thete
I know people don’t like Ani, but people shouldn’t be bullying her. She’s been receiving death threats and horrible comments so she’s basically come off social media. How can you go bully and threaten someone who is on a show where a girl got bullied and killed herself.
Because people are deaf and blind it seems. Dont get me wrong the show does have problems. Plot problems and also problems in how represents stuff but I liked the show. It makes you think about life
I think Jess and Justin getting back together was horrible, and made me cringe. Choosing to tolerate, or embrace the toxicity of your relationship doesn’t make the love any realer or make it more romantic. They should’ve mutually decided to let each other go given all the bullshit that transpired between them. Deciding not to because they ‘love each other’ is toxic within itself. Self-respect is key, kids.
i mean it didnt though, girl thinks shes pregnant, gets abortion, abortion is never referenced or implied at all in later episodes. like the shows good but the abortion area was unnecessary because it added nothing to the plot and just nothing was mentioned about it, seemed more lake a last minute add in to the plot
When it first came out it was a huge thing at my middle school, everyone was watching it. And it kind of became a thing that if you weren't depressed there was something wrong with you. It wasn't uncommon for people to say that they wanted to be like Hannah Baker. People would actually get made fun of for not having a hard enough life.
The fact that middle schoolers were watching and idolizing this show makes my skin crawl. It’s just THE LAST demographic we need seeing this. I was a senior in HS when the first season came out, and the teachers were making a big deal of it for us. But middle school? Yikes.
I hate so much that that is something that happens. It is extremely disrespectful to those who are really suffering; I was the victim of sexual assualt and have since been diagnosed with PTSD, depression, and anxiety. I have gotten to the point where I am open about what happened to me as a way to raise awareness and help other people who are suffering or want to better understand how to help their loved ones. At one point, while discussing my past with a girl who was better trying to understand what a victim went through, she told me that I was "lucky to have gone through that" and claimed to be jealous of the fact that I had gone through abuse and struggles with my mental health. It was disgusting.
lonertype the creator said the sex scenes were in there for a reason, not shock factor. Also the show is about a drug addict trying to recover and focuses on other people struggles. There was no suicide in the show unlike in 13rw.
Literally how hard would it have been to bring Skye back to narrate, or any other minor character we'd seen in the school before?? I'd have taken anything else over Clay falling in love with yet *another* mysterious new girl with a soft spot for Bryce 🙄
Dregrassi next class was a ridiculous show that had a lot of issues by itself, but one thing they managed to not fail completely was the school shooter arc, because (at least from what I gather from my memory) they never gave Hunter a tragic ass backstory to make his actions "justifiable", but especially because after the prom (which I don't think he actually attended), he was sent to a psychiatric clinic for a while and has psychological assistance throughout the rest of the show (or at least the rest of the season)
I haven't watched s3 and I'm not planning to anymore I mean s2 was kind of like why? but okay? ... Netflix has a problem of JUICING OUT EVERY even a tiny bit SUCCESSFUL SHOW THE HAVE . They just dont know how to STOP like 1 season is good we dont need 5 seasons of a series especially if they're not going to be as good as the first one.
@@skylarjane9559 Wouldn't the right thing be to then put out as many public announcements as possible that this is not ok to do? Try and bring some of these people making threats in front of the law? Take him off the show to protect him? How is him playing a serial rapist character once again fix this? If that is their reason it is as stupid as their execution.
Trump has a tweet like “coca cola keeps going after me and unfortunately I’m still gonna drink their crap” and I feel the same about this series. I knew it was garbage schlock since the 1st season but it is just so bizarre that I have to watch it again and again. It has these laughable lines “that smile, than damn smile” and plot points “the rapist is actually really kind” yet it takes itself so seriously. It’s like the producers are playing a joke on themselves
as a person who read the amazing book written before it. the book focused more on ways to tell someone is suicidal and how to prevent it, and the show sort of just romanticizes a girl who killed her self for attention. I think the way they further made it in to a drama series about “murder mystery” is totally disrespectful to the way the author intended to write his book
ava fountain the funny thing is they put the warning before hand and tell you to talk to an adult or people you trust. Then they proceed to show every single adult and person you would trust as unable to do anything
One thing that I don’t see anyone mentioning: the police not charging Zach with anything! When Zach thought he killed Bryce and confessed to BEATING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF HIM to police and the police were like “oh well he actually drowned so you can go home”, i literally laughed OUT LOUD If he hadn’t done that, Bryce would’ve been able to get out of the water and wouldn’t have drowned for fuck’s sake. Zach admitted to what would be considered first degree assault or attempted murder. In real life, he’d be charged with a crime even though someone else ended up drowning Bryce because... well, he committed a CRIME. The way the cops acted like he did nothing cracked me tf up. Still love Zach tho ❤️
Give Zach credit he was the wisest to actually speak up rather than lie about everything like everyone else. I didn’t watch the seasons other than season 1 yet I’ve been the TH-cam videos. Lol
he was an accessory to the murder he should’ve been charged i was confused as to why he got let off so lightly because he was one of the reasons why he died tbh
I think its interesting how everyone is so desperate to shut this show up. And it makes you think about why that could be. I think its because it makes people ask difficult questions. Back then, people hated philosophers. Once you make someone think a little more about their life, theyre like: cmon, i dont want to care i want to be clueless. Its like when presidents say all Americans are hardworking. Give me a break lol
I don’t understand what the writers are trying to tell us. Season 1 was about how rapists get away with their crime because women are silenced and NOW season 3 basically said “never mind, we like rapists but only the ones who are hot and cry in private.” Like, what?!? This show’s a mess.
the last season of orange is the new black dealt with deportation in a much better way than this show did lmao. they went into so much detail about ice and what it's like to fight your case to stay in the country. i would recommend watching that show if you want a good story line that has to do with deportation.
is this even about hannah it’s becoming riverdale now like one season it’s kinda good has a good plot and then by season two it just goes d o w n hill a lot more then my diagram thing.
"13 reasons why", or as I like to call it, "Third season, why?" I have come to hate this show enough to not even talk about it beyond the above joke. It just gets me tired cause the people who like it until now don't seem to change their mind, the people who liked it before and don't like it anymore (like me) already understand and the people who never liked it don't think they need to talk about it. This show is not just bad now, but it's also pretty harmful.
I remember when I was in like 7th grade and everyone was so excited about this big Netflix show filming in our hometown and everyone knew someone who had producers looking at their house and stuff... then that show turned out to be 13 reasons why
This is bugging me, so I'm gonna comment.That's not why people do mass murder. I haven't watched the show, but it sounds like they got it really wrong. A traumatizing event like that would more likely lead to suicide than killing your friends. It's certainly a way to make a potential shooter seem more sympathetic though. Harder to redeem someone who just wanted to be famous or got rejected by a girl.
My comment was kinda emotion-driven, so I want to clarify, what irritated me was that they chose a motive that made the shooter as sympathetic as possible, when that's often not the case in reality. I obviously don't know every motive ever, but they made a deliberate choice to ignore the more common, or at least more well-known, examples, to instead put forth a narrative of the potential murderer being the real victim. Everyone seems to agree on that, though, so I'm glad that got across.
Zra Sabba yea fr mist shooter wanna be “put down in the history books” and other reasons if they wanted it to be more believe able they should have went with a more of Tyler is violent with mental health issues and he wants to be know for something kinda of thing in my opinion🤷🏽♂️
I wish it was just one movie. In the book Clay listened to all the tapes in one night, it should have been just that and nothing else...why did it need a whole show with multiple seasons...
Honestly I read the book and I didnt really like it. I could tell it was for a younger audience and I dont feel like the author knew what he was writing about. The reason I liked the show was the emotion it had. It made me feel something. It had a message of not putting people down. Season 2 was kinda uninteresting. There wasnt enough to explore in terms of plot. Season 3 asks important questions. Can a bad person be redeemed? Is anyone good to begin with?
this is a weird and kinda fucked up direction for a show aimed at teens to take. i never got into it but hearing this is a bit disturbing. nice analysis, thank you
I mean life isn’t black and white obviously, it’s good theme in theory but the show clearly doesn’t know how to do it. It’s like they are trying to justify someone’s actions because of circumstances instead of just learning to understand the circumstances. That ain’t ok, and it pisses me off because this gray like storyline is something that I personally would like to see be done right but jokes on all of us.
lisa frank the problem is everything the 1st-2nd season established is pretty much pointless. The characters were pretty black and white in the first two seasons. But now we’re supposed to have sympathy for the same people they drive you to hate
I would have to slightly disagree with you about Tyler. I believe in redemption. Tyler didn't wind up killing anybody. He turned himself around and that was HIS choice. He did it BEFORE things got worst. But alas, in reality, we don't know what will happen tomorrow. So I would say Tyler needs someone to watch over him like a psychiatrist.
imagine the police interviewing you and instead of answering their questions you start describing everyone’s life in detail that has anything to do with the case and it has nothing to do with anything.
i genuinely feel like the majority of 13 Reasons Why’s audience is made of underage children and tweens bc I see all the frickin’ time like 9 year olds saying that they LOOOOOOVEE the show and it’s hilarious. i am not allowed to watch the show and I’m fourteen and i don’t think i will watch it for my own mental health. and i kinda feel like this season was like a rip-off of riverdale and pretty little liars and it was just an excuse to make money.
I'm glad you came out with a video about it because as someone who has experienced trauma, I could not watch the show personally. But I know people who did and didnt see anything wrong with the series(though I doubt they think that now) and videos like these clear up more of the controversy without contributing to it.
Honestly, Ani is kind of annoying. I think most, if not all, of us didn’t want Ani..... but bullying the actress isn’t okay. If you don’t like Ani, then don’t like Ani. Don’t attack the actress of a *fictional character.*
Love how well you articulate your thoughts. I couldn't finish the first episode, focusing on this quirky new girl was distracting. That and the recap at the beginning made me realize what a ridiculous point the series has come to
There's also a massive difference in the setting of shows like 13 reasons and GOT and how redemption arcs work. 13 reasons is supposed to be realistic and set in a real high school. Call the police in reality when murder is on the table. GOT is fantasy where magic exists and people run around with swords. Murder is not as big a deal in that kind of setting and there are fewer consequences. Redemption arcs only work if they can be moralized by other characters.
The first season actually made sense, as it was based on a single book. But once that season had ended, they REALLY should have stopped, since they had said everything that needed to be discussed.
"This town is cursed" Literally my thought the entire show. I would move out of state if things like that kept happening (with little to no improvement)
Tuesday C the funny thing is it’s supposed to kinda be like a small town area. Like could you imagine what living in a big city would be like in this universe
I get no one likes angsty emo poets saying everyone lies don’t mean they have to hate the actress, seriously who does that, yeah I hate admiral sanda from voltron legendary defender but I don’t say it to the voice actor. Also spinel from Steven Universe the movie has a best villain with sad and redemption arc than Bryce and she’s a cartoon. Also hope no one sh*t talks bex, seriously she been thought enough from the toxic fans from voltron legendary defender about liking people’s ship fan art over a character that yeah she ain’t gonna let a dead guy just die. Also why care about freaking Bryce?! Yeah I hate him that guy was a dick, but they could have had everyone heal from it and think about how to move on. Also I don’t watch this show, but seen too much clips and people’s complaints about it. In honest yeah the beginning should have ended and that’s that. Even if Netflix pushes that show in my face I rather watch rockos modern life movie about a 20 something or 30 who wants his 90s cartoon back. Crap that’s me. 😐 Also HBO Euphoria has better teen problems than this.
I totally agree with you. They lost ALL credibility by trying to excuse Bryce’s choices and those of a literal attempted school shooter. This lazy moral equivalence thing is really cowardly and dangerous
The show marketed itself as being socially aware and it's "aim" was to discuss suicide when in reality it glorified the revenge aspect and created controversy. Then the show seemingly (I say this as I haven't watched seasons two or three) turned into a more generalised teen drama like Riverdale or others of the genre. I didn't even know season three had been released until I saw someone on twitter discussing it almost five days after it was released. I just feel like it's twisting and turning to be something that it wasn't originally set out to be.
@Olivia Cloutier-Donoghue ikr I used to like him I'm season 1 but after that he started just going crazier and crazier like the typical emo unstable teen when before he had more common sense and seemed more practical
Hannah is a villain and the whole saving the killer thing is actually not surprising because it's become a really popular trope in the common era were rapists and murderers are forgiven and become good guys...
Me too, while they were trying to make a point that real suicide is gory and unglamorous, it might have worked had they not showed it in all its glory. Even worse, Netflix edited the bath suicide scene TWO WHOLE YEARS after complaints from viewers, but it was too far, too late in some ways.
Zach deserved better friends a better story and a better school. He’s the only reason ppl still watched with him being the only character worth rooting for
ani is the definition of “y/n here” characters who’s just shoved into the story and suddenly knows everyone and everything relevant to the plot
I avoid those fics like the plague on all fanfic sites. It's the worst on Wattpad.
Totally, Ani just shows up, completely out of the blue, and already she knows everyone's secrets, and they immediately accept her into their social circles, despite her not having been around for any of the previous events, and not knowing a thing about them!
ok julia liked my comment i’ve peaked
Trina Q exactly! it would’ve been cool if she was around in the beginning, even if she was a background character. viewers could’ve recognized her and gone into her story but nope, they just introduced someone new which didn’t make sense.
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The warning before 13rw: If you feel alone talk to a trusted adult, like a school counselor!
The characters in 13rw: We can't go to the school counselor!!! Hannah did and look where she is.
FR. The whole series is like supposed to "raise awareness" or help or whatever?? But when she tries to get help they're just like "lol what"
Dumb Lil Blonde well another issue is she didn’t say anything wasn’t willing to talk to him. But he can’t force her to say anything. But he should of prob called her parents or something.
@@katiek3821 he really should have
They portrayed the adults who can HELP Hannah horribly, so the audience (probably teen girls) will see that getting help won't be beneficial
THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THAT!
It rlly annoys me when actors r bullied off social media like they didn’t write the script ...
right!!! grace was just doing her job. the 13rw fandom is too much.
@@starylize Not just the 13RW fandom. This is happening increasingly often across a lot of different fandoms. People just can't seem to work out that actors aren't the characters they play and that actors have very little control over what gets put in the script.
The Pasty British Guy From Wonderwoman what makes me sick about it is this isn’t even their first time that they did shit like this the actor for jar jar binks almost killed himself he was bullied so badly for playing jar jar
It’s especially ridiculous because the show claims to bring awareness to bullying and mental illness, but then the fans go and... bully one of the actors. Wtf
the guy who plays bryce ( Justin Prentice ) is constantly harassed on instagram over what his character did. it’s not his fault that Bryce is a rapist. not Justin. it’s so irritating.
I've been getting into twitter/reddit arguments about Bryce's redemption arc. People seem to think if you don't like it you just didn't 'get' what they were going for. No, I got it. Bryce isn't a cartoon villain (even though they wrote him that way for 2 seasons). People are complex and life isn't black and white. Fantastic. But no amount of crying to mommy or daddy issues is EVER going to make me empathise with a serial rapist, are you joking? A lot of people have difficult lives and don't resort to hurting others. People are more mad this season that Ani was nosy than the fact Bryce raped 10 women. If a serial rapist's redemption arc doesn't start with getting out of prison- preferably after serving several decades- I'm not interested.
Ellen M this should be broadcast to everyone’s brains
Ellen M I’ve been seeing fucking fan edits of Bryce and Monty...like what the fuck is that shit. I hate this stupid show and all the comments I’ve seen standing up for those rapists and psychopaths.
It's so easy not to rape someone too.
As a person who suffer sexual abuse in my tweens days and forgive the abuser, i can really say you that this people have no remorse what so ever, are literally monsters (or at least the closest to them that i meet in my real life).
The whole redemption arc of bryce and ALL THE PEOPLE BUYING IT is sick to me. I use to belive in redemtion, my abuser was my cousin and a i find the strenght for forgive him only for him years later attempt to rape a another memeber of my family.
Sorry but for me rapist and sexual abusers are monsters, simple as that.
(sorry if my english is kind of poor)
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13 reasons should've been a netflix movie. With a heavy trigger warning and maybe actually listening to mental health professionals to not romanticize suicide
Glorifying suicide isn't cute!!!
Seconded, the first season gives off the impression that Hannah only felt powerful and gained control once she had committed suicide, and everyone realizes the error of their ways. Needless to say, in reality, you don't get to gain satisfaction from your own death, or stick around to ensure that your sort of ex-boyfriend carries out your plans for vengeance.
also the suicide scene really truly wasn't necessary nor did it add much to the show or story besides freaking people out. the part where her mom walks in and finds her would've been good enough
Selena Gomez shouldnt be behind the scenes of this shit either
DementorsKiss it was supposed to be a movie :( with selena has hannah baker. those were the talks like back in 2013
Ani feels like a self insert fanfic character.
she's really y/n
SunDale Saiki K huh
It's a shame, as I think her Actress has real potential with a better character.
A self insert Mary Sue who is friends with everyone and knows everyone.
@@nekusakura6748 the actress is pretty decent but dammm the character I can't stand her.
_"you and 17 of your closest friends"_ ah yes
Sounds like an extrovert
😂😂😂
ani is so annoying. her whole character is unnecessary. they could've easily give the narration to someone we already know and like jessie or zach
Or clay maybe
elf dude she’s like a self insert in a dumb fan f ic ti on
Wtffff I'm scared to watch season 3 now lol
Moon Shine Down i mean it was interesting but it suckED TOO SO GO AHEAd-
Or even Charlie. He seemed to actually have a personality beyond traumatic events. Could’ve done a lot more with his character.
They’re never gonna trust Selena Gomez with producing anything ever again
Wait hold up, Selena Gomez produced this.
Zee Flute no she just slapped her name on the project
yoidk exactly.
@@Grace-fu6mf she originally got attached to the project when they were going to make a movie out of the book. She was going to produce and play Hannah Baker. She aged out of the role, so now they just made this garbage show that killed 200 people and paid her a ton of money.
she shouldnt have produced anything omfg
What they're doing is basically supporting the idea that mental disorders and trauma can excuse horrible and inexcusable *choices* (when it's actually that mental disorders and trauma EXPLAIN those choices, not excuse them, and them supporting the opposite both raises the stigma with mental disorders and trauma survivors but also literally supports people who used their trauma as an excuse for their horrible actions) and also backtrack any of their "progress" in helping the mentally ill and rape victims by instantly shaming them and shoving them under the bus just because people gave good reasons as to how they shouldn't be supported. Yikes.
Wait I’m confused are you supporting Bryce’s redemption arc or not?
NO one is excusing behavior. The whole point of 13 reason is to show that people are (Human Beings) neither good nor bad, who make choices and those choices have action and consequences. The choice of suicide, rape, murder, forgiveness, choices to help or hurt those around us. The whole point is empathy and understanding. understand why bryce raped Hanna, understand why hannah killed her self, understand why the person who murder bryce killed him. This show is soo progressive, yes the script sometimes is a little cringe but its doing something that has never been done before. Its not sugar coating shit, I grew up watching shows talk about rape, suicide, drug addiction. But in today's shows when ever someone depressed the character goes " im really sad" no your fucking depressed and thats not something to tip toe around. " oh I was sexually assaulted" No you were raped. And the facts of this society is that rapist and murder learn better. We dont want to admit it but some people who make those choices actually feel bad for those choices. They do stuff to try and make up for it. this show is unapologetic for showing the real world and its issue. As someone who has depression and suicidal tendencies, who tried to kill themselves before It was a breath of fucking fresh air to watch a show like this.
Explaining the nature of behavior isn't making excuses for anything. That's a bullshit perspective. How can you prevent behavior if you don't understand why/how it develops? That's the entire reason we've spend decades studying serial killers, but nobody is pardoning their actions....
WiseWillow Please give me an example of a single serial rapist or murderer who has "turned their lives around" in any way.
I think the issue is you're seeing it as excusing when everyone related to making it actively goes out of their way to say No, we are NOT excusing it, we are just EXPLAINING the context behind it and showing how it's not just one person who's to blame, it's their parents, it's their family, it's their friends, it's society for putting people in these positions as well. Everyone had chances to change things. Everyone has a role.
When someone dies, even the worst person ever, it's tragic. The chance for someone to develop into a good, healthy human just ended. Forever. It's sad. For some people, maybe a lot of people, there's no way they can "get better" from the shitty things they do. But for a lot of them, they could. For a lot of them, there are underlying issues and if everyone could sit down without any bias and without any hate and just listen to everyone around them, maybe we could get a more understanding world where EVERYONE has a chance to get better. That would be beautiful.
bryce's character could've worked on a show that knew how to be subtle and write morally grey characters, but 13 reasons why AIN'T that show
Yeah, I think nuance and subtlety is great when writing any character, even one who's done reprehensible things; but it really doesn't work when you've just spent two seasons going out of your way to ensure that we see that character as the worst sort of human being in the world.
@@DorianCairne i agree. he went from a moustache twirling villain for two whole seasons without any hints to suggest he's remorseful to being humanised every 5 seconds lmao. they're definitely writing as they go along riverdale style
Season 3 Bryce seems like a completely different character from the smug, irredeemable antagonist we were introduced to in the first two series. Bryce's whole redemption arc might have been more credible had it been hinted in any way during the previous installments, but it's likely that this was only done to prevent Bryce's actor, Justin Prentrice, from receiving any more hate than he already has.
Rapists aren’t morally grey........
lisa frank lol what? Rapists don’t need to have a disorder to rape da fuck?
13rw in a nutshell
season 1: extremely graphic and triggering suicide scene with terrible portrayal of depression
season 2: extremely graphic and triggering rape scene
season 3: ok now we gonna try and feel empathy for rapists?
side note: the people who wrote season 3 seem like the type of people to defend/be fans of ted bundy
Its kind of a rape sympathist show.
Hannah is portrayed as Boderline killing herself for revenge on those she feel wronged her but a victim of sexual assault.
Ani gives Bryce a redemption arc.
The whole thing is an exercize of negative stereotypes of mental illness and rape victims.
2019 everybody :/
I bet the writers also felt bad for Brock Turner.
The suicide scene in season one was one of the hardest scenes I've ever tried to watch on television. I actually couldn't look at the screen through part of it. And the season two rape scene was almost as hard to watch. I still have not watched season three.
It seems a lot of Netflix shows start off well and then get shittier with each passing season. Except Bojack Horseman ✊🏾
Mels stranger things is the only one that didn’t share the same fate.
but isn’t that most tv series tho?
Bunnygirl except Friends
Main Bitch friends isn’t a Netflix original
It's probably because once one of their shows picks up fame, they tend to keep coming out with new seasons for the shows in little amount of time.
Example: Voltron, that show had like 6-7 episodes for at least 4 of the seasons and all of them came out in a short frame of time.
Although, this doesn't apply to all Netflix originals. Example: Stranger Things.
Imagine this, Season 4 “Who Murdered Ani?”
You’re tellin me you wouldn’t watch that?
i'm the one who would've killed ani she was annoying asf
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Given the immense hatred of Ani, they might end up putting her on a bus in Season 4, probably the same one that took Ryan, Marcus, Nina, Sheri, Scott and Courtney away. Or, they could drastically reduce her role in some way.
I would, i hated that stuck up bitch lmao
no, i wouldnt watch that
Ok so, I’m a victim of sexual abuse as well as a suicide attempt. I watched the entirety of the show, even though it was incredibly triggering. And the thing is, for a while, I defended it. It’s sad but I wanted to hold onto the idea that the show was good because it’s so rare for rape to be portrayed on tv. Like it’ll appear but it’s never shown as being a huge deal. And I was so happy to have representation, to be able to look at Jessica’s growth and be hopeful. I know it sounds stupid but I really wanted to like the show.
Asides from the whole redemption arc, what really pissed me off was that like “if you want to be a victim you can stay here, or you can join the real survivors”. The words survivor vs victim are very symbolic to those who’ve experienced assault or abuse. And it really pissed me off to see it being thrown around so lightly. Typically, it’s the person’s choice on how to identify, I see it as steps, at first you identify as a victim but eventually you can call yourself a survivor, not when someone else tells you to but when you feel ready. I still identify as a victim, not because I’m weak or not trying hard enough, but because I’m still in a stage where I can’t call myself a survivor, I haven’t stopped having nightmares and I still am suicidal.
Anyways, this is just to say that if you ever want to talk about this show and my perspective on it you can ask me, I don’t know if it would be valuable, but sometimes hearing a victim’s opinion can be helpful. I really wanted to have a show where I was represented and it led me to grasping onto this shit show for way to long. It honestly just sucks living life wanting to die and feeling guilty for having your uncle abuse you while tv shows never show that, it just increases the sense of not belonging. Obviously not every teenager is a victim of abuse but it would be cool to see representation
Just to complete the previous comment, I identified really heavily with Hannah in the first season. I had recently chopped all my hair off and tried to kill myself. So seeing that on screen gave me a sense of not being alone. Obviously she ends up killing herself but being able to go through that journey with her ended up kind of giving me hope. It was still super triggering but I felt so legitimized by seeing myself onscreen. I love teen shows and was obsessed with PLL and glee, but I could never relate to any of the typical high school stuff. I never had relationship drama because I was isolating myself from everyone, I didn’t have a lot of typical high school experiences in the first place because I was so sick in 9th and 10th grade that I was homeschooled and spent most of the time in the hospital. So seeing something I could finally relate to really made me feel real.
@@qu3enpersephone You need to go see a psychiatrist. I am sorry for what you are dealing with. You are in my prayers.
@@Blueberry40 thanks! I already am, im getting the help i need and one day I'll be able to happily call myself a survivor
@@qu3enpersephone I don't know anything about being the victim but the "I am a survivor so I stand up to show this" rubbed me the wrong way. I thought it kind of makes it that you can't be a survivor if you don't announce it to the world. What did you think about this scene ?
@@judgmentangel5413 it didn't really rubbed me the wrong way it was clear to me that the choice was yours if you wanted to stand up or not I think they wanted to show it was a way to sort of show that you're ready to call attention to what happened to you
I dont like how they portrayed school shooters. They were walking the line of making Tyler's act justified to making school shootings serious. Pick one. I learned from studies that shooters ste not always mentally I'll like we all assume and sometimes they are the bullies in their school.
Literally 20 minutes in I stopped watching (on a bootleg site since I didnt want Netflix to profit financially from this) because it was portraying everything about school so wrong.
one of my friends who watched the 3rd season was talking ab how cute and sweet tyler was... i was like he was ab to shoot up his school.. the only reason he didn’t was bc clay stopped him. she tried arguing by saying he regretted it and was bullied and blah blah blah but no he literally was gonna kill people lmao
As Alex from the channel "I hate Everything" pointed out in his review of Season 2, the aftershow "Beyond the Reasons" has a psychologist they use for fact checking state that she wouldn't advise anyone to attempt to talk down a prospective school shooter, as it could only end badly. She instead suggested barricading the doors, making sure that everyone was safe, and calling the police.
school shooters are usually white supremacists because what drives them to committing a massacre is believing they and their morals are above everyone else
@@kitchensinkchronicles3272 That's a gross over-generalization...
Again, this is another case where it's showing the grayness of everything. Yeah, some shooters are probably assholes, but even with them it all started somewhere and that start could've been because of trauma. Every human had a life before the bad thing they did. Every person went through things you didn't see because you weren't there.
For starters, since when is it possible for SERIAL rapists to feel regretful??
They likely made Bryce regret his actions to stop the hate against his actor, Justin Pentrice.
Jes it annoyed me so much, as if he is now all of a sudden a decent human being after 3 months, this show is just so gross
Disclaimer I do not condone rape and I never will. But I think you don’t understand that there are people (especially men) who were raised to think that women were beneath them and they didn’t know any better. I don’t watch 13 reasons why so I don’t know much about this character but don’t you think it’s possible for people to realize that what they’re doing is wrong. From what I’ve heard no one came forward and told him that what he was doing was wrong and even if they did he might not have realized that what he was doing was serious. Look at the little boy that was having sex with his little sister he had no idea what he was doing was wrong, should he be punished for not knowing the laws of society and understanding them?
I guess because where you live (I’m assuming America) you have jails instead of rehabilitation centers where they make the criminals or guilty persons understand the depth of the crime they’ve committed. You aren’t a psychologist because you would have never made an ignorant statement like that.
Again I am not in anyway defending rape or rapists but it pisses me of with this level of ignorance in this comment section.
Khaleesi Fuego the character felt no remorse after a girl killed herself after he raped her and she specifically said that he was one of the reasons for her suicide. Then he tried to silence others who wanted to speak out about his behavior.
Also, since when is it possible for a rich white educated 17 year old to not know that it’s a crime to drug girls, then gangbang them while they are unconscious and make Polaroid photos of himself penetrating her unconscious body...
You are the one being ignorant because you spoke on this topic without knowing the storyline.
After he has been gaslighting, manipulating and ridiculing his victims in court in the final episode of the second season, we are introduced to a remorseful character and you don’t get any explanation as to why he is all of a sudden not a psychopathic piece of trash.
It just sends a dangerous message to young girls because it implies that guys like that can actually be good guys and they even made him the romantic interest of the friend of his rape victim.
It’s just gross🤮🤮🤮🤮
sortasofi I’m sorry if I misread your comment but you didn’t specifically call out Bryce Walker. You said “since when do Serial Rapists feel remorse...” no where in that statement did you say Bryce Walker. Also please don’t assume he was a psychopath or sociopath, he could have just never known that what he was doing wrong. Let’s say you were to go to North Korea and do something that you weren’t aware was illegal, does that make you evil? No it means you had no idea what you were doing was wrong. It’s like saying the Caribs were wrong because they allegedly practiced cannibalism, which would be wrong because the concept of good and wrong are Social Constructs which constantly change.
I’m not condoning rape but I think 13 reasons why should have shown it a bit more from his perspective, there’s always three or two sides of a story (depending on the story).
Them wanting to diss the “SJWs” sounds like a Nice Guy who got rejected screaming “I NEVER LIKED YOU YOU’RE UGLY ANYWAY”
Lories Lori This is literally my new favorite comment
I actually liked how they dissed SJWs. Life is about balance.
Jonatan Perez But it wasn't really a diss? It was just like dismissing a point without actually saying why they disagreed.
Jonatan Perez “You should be a little progressive but also a little racist”
No, that doesn’t make any sense. You shouldn’t be moderate when it comes to issues like this. Nuanced, yes, but not moderate. I’ll never be a moderate when it comes to rape, it’s wrong period and not up for debate. Same with equality in general. People like MLK hated the moderates and the more I know about politics the more I understand why.
that happened to me lmaooo
so i was looking for friends on yubo and a nice guy™️ was tryna hit me up so i rejected him and he cursed me out i-
The 13 Reasons Why show is incredibly disrespectful to victims of suicide.
No shit😔
LittleMissTFP it is, I should know because I’ve fucking cut and slit and tried to commit suicide. It’s portrayed horribly.
Agreed, this show made suicide seem glamorous, and implied that it was the only way Hannah could gain power and be taken seriously. The fact that they initially showed her graphic suicide was TOO much, as it could possibly trigger viewers suffering from depression or suicide idealation.
Trina Q ok but they put a bunch of warning for that scene. If you can be triggered by something like suicide WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO WATCH 🙄
@@pollythepengiun3927 because it's promoted as RaIsInG AwArENeSs so people wanna watch it + season 1 didn't have a fucking warning on literally the most triggering scene?? Don't defend this garbage show I'm sure you're better than this
this show is a great example of how great storylines are wasted by making more and more seasons. it is sad to see how they act all socially aware and everything but ruin what could actually be a powerful message to make money
Right. I personally loved season 1. Maybe even season 2 to really wrap up the trial even if Bryce got away with it, bc sometimes they do get away with it. But it shouldve ended thete
@@insertstutterthatsallfolks7486 exactly!
I know people don’t like Ani, but people shouldn’t be bullying her. She’s been receiving death threats and horrible comments so she’s basically come off social media. How can you go bully and threaten someone who is on a show where a girl got bullied and killed herself.
they cant tell apart from real person and a fictional character. its sad, I dislike ani, but grace its no ani, period.
Because people are deaf and blind it seems. Dont get me wrong the show does have problems. Plot problems and also problems in how represents stuff but I liked the show. It makes you think about life
Smh exactly 😒
Maybe it’s cuz the show wasn’t that good at displaying its message coherently....
Because people these days can't separate art from the artist
thank you for watching this so i didn't have to
Sarah Z thank you for watching THIS i didn’t know you knew who i WAS
@@juliacudney GIRL I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOUR VIDS FOR LIKE A YEAR
Sarah Z if i had known i wouldn’t have been so EMBARRASSING all year
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ani is like a fanfic character who's "mysterious" and poetic. she's such a mary sue
Cough* Y/N in wattpads
Ani really needs to go away. She is the most irritating character in the show. And that's saying something
I like her accent though
She made Jessica look so good...😮
@@magicseaweed5520 I agree
I think Jess and Justin getting back together was horrible, and made me cringe. Choosing to tolerate, or embrace the toxicity of your relationship doesn’t make the love any realer or make it more romantic. They should’ve mutually decided to let each other go given all the bullshit that transpired between them. Deciding not to because they ‘love each other’ is toxic within itself. Self-respect is key, kids.
Exactly! So many people think they are cute but they are so toxic .
they were tbh they should’ve just ended on mutual terms i feel like the show made it the norm or something
"We should call the police on this person with a gun that tried to kill us."
"You just want to do whatver you want!"
So we do agree that we all stayed for this show for the sole purpose of Ross Butler portraying Zach, the hottest man on the show.
No. I stayed for Clay but they made a boy a neurotic idiot. I also miss season 1 Clay.
@@amberdennis7909 yeah what the fuck did they do to the poor boy
he is hot af
That one dislike is Selena Gomez
and shes still a queen 💗
Sex Education (on Netflix, the show) did a way better job talking about abortion in a teen setting
Euphoria talked about abortion best
Preach
i mean it didnt though, girl thinks shes pregnant, gets abortion, abortion is never referenced or implied at all in later episodes. like the shows good but the abortion area was unnecessary because it added nothing to the plot and just nothing was mentioned about it, seemed more lake a last minute add in to the plot
fr i feel like i watched the same exact scene two times before with sex education and euphoria
No, it didn't. Lmao
Can't wait for the second season though.
your hair looks FANTASTIC
Right!?
When it first came out it was a huge thing at my middle school, everyone was watching it. And it kind of became a thing that if you weren't depressed there was something wrong with you. It wasn't uncommon for people to say that they wanted to be like Hannah Baker. People would actually get made fun of for not having a hard enough life.
Zee Flute I remember there being a whole group of girls who were just obsessed with it
The fact that middle schoolers were watching and idolizing this show makes my skin crawl. It’s just THE LAST demographic we need seeing this. I was a senior in HS when the first season came out, and the teachers were making a big deal of it for us. But middle school? Yikes.
This show is mature rated though! Its not for middle schoolers! Its for 18 years and older SMH
I hate so much that that is something that happens. It is extremely disrespectful to those who are really suffering; I was the victim of sexual assualt and have since been diagnosed with PTSD, depression, and anxiety. I have gotten to the point where I am open about what happened to me as a way to raise awareness and help other people who are suffering or want to better understand how to help their loved ones. At one point, while discussing my past with a girl who was better trying to understand what a victim went through, she told me that I was "lucky to have gone through that" and claimed to be jealous of the fact that I had gone through abuse and struggles with my mental health. It was disgusting.
same, everyone during my 7th grade year when it first came out just talked about it. everyone was also watching it.
Euphoria is doing what 13 reasons why thought is was🤷🏼♀️
But better
It is much better mainly cuz zendaya is in it you know that gives you 50% up
lonertype not rly
@lonertype no one tried to kill themselves on euphoria unless you're talking about rue but she was trying to get high not die but go off sis
lonertype the creator said the sex scenes were in there for a reason, not shock factor. Also the show is about a drug addict trying to recover and focuses on other people struggles. There was no suicide in the show unlike in 13rw.
Literally how hard would it have been to bring Skye back to narrate, or any other minor character we'd seen in the school before?? I'd have taken anything else over Clay falling in love with yet *another* mysterious new girl with a soft spot for Bryce 🙄
What even happened to Skye in season 3 anyway? I don't hear people talking about her anymore.
dammit julia i have homework due tomorrow 😭
Me too, but I'm still going to pause everything in order to watch Julia for 20 minutes!🙌
Relatable
I felt this STRONGLY
I feel bad for procrastinating ‘︿’
Dregrassi next class was a ridiculous show that had a lot of issues by itself, but one thing they managed to not fail completely was the school shooter arc, because (at least from what I gather from my memory) they never gave Hunter a tragic ass backstory to make his actions "justifiable", but especially because after the prom (which I don't think he actually attended), he was sent to a psychiatric clinic for a while and has psychological assistance throughout the rest of the show (or at least the rest of the season)
And what about Rick? o.o
I haven't watched s3 and I'm not planning to anymore I mean s2 was kind of like why? but okay? ... Netflix has a problem of JUICING OUT EVERY even a tiny bit SUCCESSFUL SHOW THE HAVE . They just dont know how to STOP like 1 season is good we dont need 5 seasons of a series especially if they're not going to be as good as the first one.
Petrini Manini they’re
@@electrictowers I was just going to comment this 😂 the Russian subplot was completely ridiculous
Petrini Manini I stopped on episode 3
@@TwelvetreeZ no it's not it directly incorporates a cold war theme also it shows that hawkins isn't the only place with strange things happening
*cough* umm.... voltron
I cannot believe the producers thought Bryce was even redeemable. How cute. 😂😂😂
They had to redeem the character because the actor was getting harassed for playing Bryce.
@@skylarjane9559 Wouldn't the right thing be to then put out as many public announcements as possible that this is not ok to do? Try and bring some of these people making threats in front of the law? Take him off the show to protect him? How is him playing a serial rapist character once again fix this? If that is their reason it is as stupid as their execution.
They act like I won’t be happy about the fact that he will never hurt another person.
Trump has a tweet like “coca cola keeps going after me and unfortunately I’m still gonna drink their crap” and I feel the same about this series. I knew it was garbage schlock since the 1st season but it is just so bizarre that I have to watch it again and again. It has these laughable lines “that smile, than damn smile” and plot points “the rapist is actually really kind” yet it takes itself so seriously. It’s like the producers are playing a joke on themselves
Yo but seriously, brandon flynns smile though...
The colors in this video be like:🆘☮🔆📳🔽Ⓜ
as a person who read the amazing book written before it. the book focused more on ways to tell someone is suicidal and how to prevent it, and the show sort of just romanticizes a girl who killed her self for attention. I think the way they further made it in to a drama series about “murder mystery” is totally disrespectful to the way the author intended to write his book
ava fountain the funny thing is they put the warning before hand and tell you to talk to an adult or people you trust. Then they proceed to show every single adult and person you would trust as unable to do anything
One thing that I don’t see anyone mentioning: the police not charging Zach with anything! When Zach thought he killed Bryce and confessed to BEATING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF HIM to police and the police were like “oh well he actually drowned so you can go home”, i literally laughed OUT LOUD
If he hadn’t done that, Bryce would’ve been able to get out of the water and wouldn’t have drowned for fuck’s sake.
Zach admitted to what would be considered first degree assault or attempted murder. In real life, he’d be charged with a crime even though someone else ended up drowning Bryce because... well, he committed a CRIME. The way the cops acted like he did nothing cracked me tf up. Still love Zach tho ❤️
Give Zach credit he was the wisest to actually speak up rather than lie about everything like everyone else. I didn’t watch the seasons other than season 1 yet I’ve been the TH-cam videos. Lol
You could argue that it was self defense, he did after all essentially cripple Zach for life not long before that.
he was an accessory to the murder he should’ve been charged i was confused as to why he got let off so lightly because he was one of the reasons why he died tbh
Does anybody find it ironic that a show which touts itself for “starting a conversation” isn’t being talked about at all?
I think its interesting how everyone is so desperate to shut this show up. And it makes you think about why that could be.
I think its because it makes people ask difficult questions. Back then, people hated philosophers. Once you make someone think a little more about their life, theyre like: cmon, i dont want to care i want to be clueless.
Its like when presidents say all Americans are hardworking. Give me a break lol
Jonatan Perez yea don’t compare this show to philosophers, it’s an insult to them.
@@thesamuraispirit7686 Nah, it's purely because it's shock value trash that thinks itself to be way above that when in fact it isn't.
The occasional abhorrent orange tint in your color-correction does not deter me from watching but does make me say “ahhhh” in quiet squinty surprise
Erin Bailey ABHORRENT I-
I don’t understand what the writers are trying to tell us. Season 1 was about how rapists get away with their crime because women are silenced and NOW season 3 basically said “never mind, we like rapists but only the ones who are hot and cry in private.” Like, what?!? This show’s a mess.
the last season of orange is the new black dealt with deportation in a much better way than this show did lmao. they went into so much detail about ice and what it's like to fight your case to stay in the country. i would recommend watching that show if you want a good story line that has to do with deportation.
"The Good Person is Indistinguishable from the Bad" yeah that's subtle
You remember Bryce. Well he’s a good guy now, and we know because he cries during yoga🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
XD😂
Netflix cancelled one day at a time but still kept 13rw?????!!!!
Alpna one day at a time was shit lmao
"One Day at a Time" was picked up by another network, and "13 Reasons Why" is confirmed to be ending after Season 4.
>:l
They cancelled sense8 too. WT..h it was a 1000 times better than this garbage.
Alpna I’m pretty sure some other channel is picking up ODAAT though so we good
“This town is cursed”
THATS WHAT I SAID LIKE THEY SHOULD ALL JUST MOVE LOL
This show is filled w psychos SERIOUSLY
is this even about hannah it’s becoming riverdale now like one season it’s kinda good has a good plot and then by season two it just goes
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hill a lot more then my diagram thing.
"13 reasons why", or as I like to call it, "Third season, why?"
I have come to hate this show enough to not even talk about it beyond the above joke. It just gets me tired cause the people who like it until now don't seem to change their mind, the people who liked it before and don't like it anymore (like me) already understand and the people who never liked it don't think they need to talk about it.
This show is not just bad now, but it's also pretty harmful.
"Ready for your favorite characters, like Zac and only Zac" I felt this on a spiritual level
I remember when I was in like 7th grade and everyone was so excited about this big Netflix show filming in our hometown and everyone knew someone who had producers looking at their house and stuff... then that show turned out to be 13 reasons why
What town
Omgg :o
This is bugging me, so I'm gonna comment.That's not why people do mass murder. I haven't watched the show, but it sounds like they got it really wrong. A traumatizing event like that would more likely lead to suicide than killing your friends. It's certainly a way to make a potential shooter seem more sympathetic though. Harder to redeem someone who just wanted to be famous or got rejected by a girl.
I agree although sometimes mass shooters desire to commit suicide by cop. Sort of like a 'I'll take you down with me' mentality.
@@Rebe8d89AH very true, the whole idea of " im hurt, you should hurt too"
itsoutside43 yea tht makes sense as well
My comment was kinda emotion-driven, so I want to clarify, what irritated me was that they chose a motive that made the shooter as sympathetic as possible, when that's often not the case in reality. I obviously don't know every motive ever, but they made a deliberate choice to ignore the more common, or at least more well-known, examples, to instead put forth a narrative of the potential murderer being the real victim. Everyone seems to agree on that, though, so I'm glad that got across.
Zra Sabba yea fr mist shooter wanna be “put down in the history books” and other reasons if they wanted it to be more believe able they should have went with a more of Tyler is violent with mental health issues and he wants to be know for something kinda of thing in my opinion🤷🏽♂️
I wish it was just one movie. In the book Clay listened to all the tapes in one night, it should have been just that and nothing else...why did it need a whole show with multiple seasons...
Honestly I read the book and I didnt really like it. I could tell it was for a younger audience and I dont feel like the author knew what he was writing about.
The reason I liked the show was the emotion it had. It made me feel something. It had a message of not putting people down.
Season 2 was kinda uninteresting. There wasnt enough to explore in terms of plot.
Season 3 asks important questions. Can a bad person be redeemed? Is anyone good to begin with?
I've never seen a single episode of that show and I intend to keep it that way, but I was ready for the hot takes.
this is a weird and kinda fucked up direction for a show aimed at teens to take. i never got into it but hearing this is a bit disturbing. nice analysis, thank you
I mean life isn’t black and white obviously, it’s good theme in theory but the show clearly doesn’t know how to do it. It’s like they are trying to justify someone’s actions because of circumstances instead of just learning to understand the circumstances. That ain’t ok, and it pisses me off because this gray like storyline is something that I personally would like to see be done right but jokes on all of us.
lisa frank the problem is everything the 1st-2nd season established is pretty much pointless. The characters were pretty black and white in the first two seasons. But now we’re supposed to have sympathy for the same people they drive you to hate
ur british accent was actually kinda good,, it sounded like london kinda? idk im northern
I swear if I'm doing Love Island accents I kill it, but I was going for film noir oldtimey so idk lol
@@juliacudney you were better than most americans i hear trying to do a british accent haha
I would have to slightly disagree with you about Tyler. I believe in redemption. Tyler didn't wind up killing anybody. He turned himself around and that was HIS choice. He did it BEFORE things got worst. But alas, in reality, we don't know what will happen tomorrow. So I would say Tyler needs someone to watch over him like a psychiatrist.
Omg, your dog and my dog has the same personality 😂
I have the same personality as y'all dogs
imagine the police interviewing you and instead of answering their questions you start describing everyone’s life in detail that has anything to do with the case and it has nothing to do with anything.
We 👏 want 👏 bandaid 👏 Clay 👏 back
Season 3 sounds like degrassi except degrassi’s whole point is talking about as many issues as possible
Congrats for zack for being a decent human being and the only likeable character
i genuinely feel like the majority of 13 Reasons Why’s audience is made of underage children and tweens bc I see all the frickin’ time like 9 year olds saying that they LOOOOOOVEE the show and it’s hilarious. i am not allowed to watch the show and I’m fourteen and i don’t think i will watch it for my own mental health. and i kinda feel like this season was like a rip-off of riverdale and pretty little liars and it was just an excuse to make money.
the liar clip made me wonder
“am i watching House?”
I'm glad you came out with a video about it because as someone who has experienced trauma, I could not watch the show personally. But I know people who did and didnt see anything wrong with the series(though I doubt they think that now) and videos like these clear up more of the controversy without contributing to it.
Netflix always does this thing where they just make one character randomly British
Julia: *grabs paper and rolls it into a mini megaphone* CALL THE POLICE
Me: damn right!
I'm ready for the Haunting of Hill House season 2 and Stranger Things season 4. I want both my primary wig and my backup wig SNATCHED.
Yeesssss
Ben Padgett ayyy hell yeah
Honestly, Ani is kind of annoying. I think most, if not all, of us didn’t want Ani..... but bullying the actress isn’t okay. If you don’t like Ani, then don’t like Ani. Don’t attack the actress of a *fictional character.*
Love how well you articulate your thoughts. I couldn't finish the first episode, focusing on this quirky new girl was distracting. That and the recap at the beginning made me realize what a ridiculous point the series has come to
i just hate how it was like “oh yeah monty’s gay” like who asked
There has to be more than 13 Reasons Why this dumpster fire is still being made.
There's also a massive difference in the setting of shows like 13 reasons and GOT and how redemption arcs work. 13 reasons is supposed to be realistic and set in a real high school. Call the police in reality when murder is on the table. GOT is fantasy where magic exists and people run around with swords. Murder is not as big a deal in that kind of setting and there are fewer consequences. Redemption arcs only work if they can be moralized by other characters.
am i the only one who always hated this show i couldn’t even get pass the first episode
EXACTLY
Jack Dawson I kept trying to watch it waiting to see why everyone loved it, but I couldn’t get through it.
Same here. It was painfully boring for me and it failed to pique my interest and I wasn't going to wait for it to do just that.
The book was just as dumb. Well, not the book but Hannah Baker was insufferable post mortem.
The first season actually made sense, as it was based on a single book. But once that season had ended, they REALLY should have stopped, since they had said everything that needed to be discussed.
"This town is cursed"
Literally my thought the entire show. I would move out of state if things like that kept happening (with little to no improvement)
Tuesday C the funny thing is it’s supposed to kinda be like a small town area. Like could you imagine what living in a big city would be like in this universe
I get no one likes angsty emo poets saying everyone lies don’t mean they have to hate the actress, seriously who does that, yeah I hate admiral sanda from voltron legendary defender but I don’t say it to the voice actor. Also spinel from Steven Universe the movie has a best villain with sad and redemption arc than Bryce and she’s a cartoon. Also hope no one sh*t talks bex, seriously she been thought enough from the toxic fans from voltron legendary defender about liking people’s ship fan art over a character that yeah she ain’t gonna let a dead guy just die. Also why care about freaking Bryce?! Yeah I hate him that guy was a dick, but they could have had everyone heal from it and think about how to move on.
Also I don’t watch this show, but seen too much clips and people’s complaints about it. In honest yeah the beginning should have ended and that’s that. Even if Netflix pushes that show in my face I rather watch rockos modern life movie about a 20 something or 30 who wants his 90s cartoon back. Crap that’s me. 😐
Also HBO Euphoria has better teen problems than this.
Calm down
@@dadsnatcher3444 fine. Getting drunk on coke and 90s shows. 🍺😺📺 Best method for calm.
I totally agree with you. They lost ALL credibility by trying to excuse Bryce’s choices and those of a literal attempted school shooter. This lazy moral equivalence thing is really cowardly and dangerous
Juat what I need after a long day on a long day of school
Yo same
You kinda look like Drew Barrymore 🥵😍💓
Lilyyy yyy I was gonna say the same thing
OMG! I was thinking the same thing and I saw your comment!! 😂
Julia: uploads
TH-cam: blessed
when ´´the new girl´´ was introduce it felt like some fan wanted to be on the show and wrote a fan fiction
fr!!!!!!
I'm not gonna even attempt this season, thanks Julia, for watching it so I don't have to
To be honest, it really should’ve just been a mini series.
i wish u had a letterboxd i love all ur reviews haha
real talk though i love your videos keep doin what ur doin you're killin it
I made one recently! I haven't used it much though...
a are so beautiful and so is your dog, also your speaking voice is really soothing.
The show marketed itself as being socially aware and it's "aim" was to discuss suicide when in reality it glorified the revenge aspect and created controversy. Then the show seemingly (I say this as I haven't watched seasons two or three) turned into a more generalised teen drama like Riverdale or others of the genre. I didn't even know season three had been released until I saw someone on twitter discussing it almost five days after it was released. I just feel like it's twisting and turning to be something that it wasn't originally set out to be.
Yes completely
i agree with lily’s point. very elocuent
Girl!! You did awesome on this video!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
Your dog is precious 😭😭😭 They just want the snugglesssss
Do you guys understand Alex? He seems to be just unhinged and becoming more and more irrational
Hopefully he goes to jail for murder and framing someone
@Olivia Cloutier-Donoghue ikr I used to like him I'm season 1 but after that he started just going crazier and crazier like the typical emo unstable teen when before he had more common sense and seemed more practical
Hannah is a villain and the whole saving the killer thing is actually not surprising because it's become a really popular trope in the common era were rapists and murderers are forgiven and become good guys...
i genuinely enjoyed the first season until they showed her killing herself
Me too, while they were trying to make a point that real suicide is gory and unglamorous, it might have worked had they not showed it in all its glory. Even worse, Netflix edited the bath suicide scene TWO WHOLE YEARS after complaints from viewers, but it was too far, too late in some ways.
sochix3 fr omg and in the book it doesn’t even say she slit her wrists according to other people
They’ve taken it out of the show now.
In the book she overdoses so that scen boils my blood and disgusts me even more
I scream when I saw it the first time
That is the CUTEST dog I have ever seen in my whole entire life
i haven’t watched season 2 or 3 but zach seems like the only character who’s not mentally disturbed or straight up stupid
Zach deserved better friends a better story and a better school. He’s the only reason ppl still watched with him being the only character worth rooting for