SHOWER TRAY INSTALLING…THIS IS WHAT ITS REALLY LIKE DAY TO DAY PLUMBING ON SOME JOBS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- As you know my channel is all about showing what plumbing is really like day to day, and this is a prime example of my jobs
Shower tray installing when the stud work isn’t fitted to the size of the tray!!!….. Guess who has to deal with it!!
Real world plumbing at its best, always something different
#realworldplumbing #showertray #plumbing
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ALSO BEFORE ANYONE SAYS IT, I KNOW THE SCREENS MAY NOT FIT…. THATS UPTO THE BUILDER NOW
Ha, just about to mention that! Get quite a bit of tolerance though
You haven’t pinned the comment mate good video I love/hate those jobs at times 👍
Pinned now 🤣🤣🙈
On most 120cm shower cubicles 99% of the screen are at the allowance 116-120cm which yours is going to be 119cm with tiles and adhesive .
So nothing to worry about!
I have installed 100s of them
May well be up to the builder but he and the client will still blame the plumber when that job of installing any doors/screens eventually gets bodged into place. Just hope the client never clocked your van during a site visit and remembers your details from it as I bet they'd happily sling mud you down their golf/country club or at the PTA meetings they attend!
Shame that builder and his workers don't know how to use a tape measure or how to allow for final finishes.
Quality LOL
I love how you show the hard side of the trade and how you get around things. Not just the perfect stuff set up for cameras shiny pipe work and perfect jobs. Real life stuff and like you say somtimes it’s got to be done. It is what it is👍🤩
Thanks mate, exactly how I want it to be, warts and all.
Real world plumbing
Boom...It Is What It Is,That`s That....nice catchphrase
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I had a 1660 gap for my shower tray. I just brought out the narrow wall by 50mm (40mm studs + 10mm backer board) then had 10mm wiggle room. But not sure why they don't just make it to the size you need in the first place. Also, I think they skim as tilers are happy to tile onto plaster and it's cheaper than backing board or other alternatives.
Yep they should have made it the right size from the start…. Happens a lot when communication isn’t there
I noticed it was “MX” shower trays going in. They are a proper pain they are usually bigger than the stated size by upto 10mm sometimes. I add “classi seal” to all my trays and that adds a few mm either side aswell.
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I'd expect the builders to have used tile backer board, not plasterboard... and why they bothered plastering it I don't know! ;-)
And I would of
you really do live my worst nightmares lol ... nice vid again mate! im itching to get back to it
Come down and have a day with me mate, if anything just for the content 🤣🤣👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Good to hear your carrying on mate, nightmare with those trays though,had similar issues in the past where I've cut plastered corners up and slotted tray in from front to back wall. Keep at it pal your doing great! 👏👏
Thanks mate
Well done Mark for sticking with the job, I’m glad you got some support for your extra efforts off the builder and he is
aware of the situation. You appear much more settled in your mind now with this job, brilliant film as always, I look
forward to it and I am never disappointed. See you for popmaster 10.30 Monday morning 👍👍take care, regards, Chris 👍👍👍
Hahaaa cheers Chris 👍🏼👍🏼 Yep just getting on with it now
@@MJTiffPlumbing excellent 👍👍👍
I'm due to retire at the end of this week after 50 years plumbing. ( I started Sept 73 aged 15) When we did trays back in the 70s ( deep ceramic ones) we had to rely on the grout to seal around the edge. No silicone in them days!😂
Enjoy your retirement mate, and thankyou for you years in the trade👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼…..
Mark I'm glad you are getting back into the job it's always daunting starting another job with another crowd you lone ranger you may want to consider an apprentice or an improver it will help keep you company I have the same issues then I lock horns with the job.good on you mark see you soon
Thanks mate…. Just getting my head into Thai one was a bit hard
It’s always a ‘joy’ how many times 1 has to lift a shower tray in & out when fitting it!😁😬 good job there MJ Tiff…you’ve more patience than me.
Tell me about it 🤣🙈🙈
Shower trays can come over size as well .. I fitted a 1710mmx910 mm last week had to do a similar trick . My tray floor was un level so I used tile adhesive to level tray . 🛠️👍
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This was greatI was in exactly the same position with a 900mm having to fit into 875mm. Ended up having to do the same thing you did but also having to redo the plumbing etc. First fix was terrible. Thanks for this.
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Great platform mate, ignore any negative comments. Look forward to these every week, and you post them every Wed/Sun without fail 👍👍
Thankyou mate, appreciate that
Good man, glad to hear you got your head clear on it all in the end, the drive in is soul destroying when you're feeling that way.
You should grab yourself a set of suction cups for larger trays, game changer.
They literally got delivered saturday 🤣🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing I do a little tiling too, but they're great for moving around trays and if you've got a decent set you can trust then shower screens too.
The one man band perseverance at an all time high. Great dedication there mate 👏🏻
Thanks Ben 👍🏼👍🏼
I like to stick the Plasterboard down onto the tray, so, frame, tray, board, tile.
Everyone does it there own way 👍🏼👍🏼
15:10 and AGAIN!!!! another kings of leon song. waste a moment i love it. what a song. what a band. what a plumber you are
I've just had to order a bespoke 1700 high door.12 WEEKS!
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Aww You will do it. Than you will satisfy doing your job. Good luck. God bless
Thank you so much!
You almost lose a finger when putting the shower trays down. That shower screen is going to be a right pain now I guess. Cos by time it tiled some screens don't have that much allowance. Top work pal 👍
Take a look at the pinned comment mate😉😉
But yer, was close to the finger 🤣
Interesting video depending on what sort of shower door and frame is fitted most are adjustable.
Yep, they are indeed adjustable….. but probably not enough for some of them once the tiles are on🙈🙈
Great Vid Mark glad your cracking on 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Paul, just got to crack on
Your patience and determination to get them trays in mark just shows how good a tradesman you are you done an excellent job, can't understand why the plasterers have boarded it out that should be done after the trays are fitted and be boarded out with concrete backer board but never the less top work fella. 👍
Great video. I have days/jobs like that. Not sure which way to turn. Sometimes easy to turn down and stop work but if you take 5 then it looks better and satisfying when jobs are getting down.
Thanks mate… got to take 5 sometimes
I do look forward to Sundays. Wish Wednesday's were longer.
Thanks mate…… this Wednesday is the first of the “sponsored” videos…… please be kind 🤣🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing well done getting a sponsor Mark. Just shows you are doing a good job
@@petermugan3470 thanks Peter…..🙌🏼
Thanks for the vid. Have a good week!
Thanks buddy
Your misery has brought me joy today. I was having a shit day but seeing that ball ache has made me laugh 🤣
🤣🤣🤣….. your welcome 🤣
Looking good so far, just needed to get in the zone. Keep up the good work, really enjoying your videos.
Thanks mate
Great video as always, sometimes the jobs mess with your head but as you said it is what it is bud 👍once your paid at the end of the day thats the main thing, top man
Cheers buddy
That job looks better now Mark, sometimes you just don’t get a feel for certain jobs do you, life as a Plumber !! it’s never easy, keep the vides coming, it will be good to see it progress, take care.
Thanks Peter, yep never a dull day.
Will keep the progress coming 👍🏼👍🏼
6:10 love that song. the bucket kings of leon. what a song. what a band. what a plumber you are
Thanks mate
the thing is the trays 1700 but there always 1706 or bigger so makes the situation even worse,I feel you pain mate 😢
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fair play mate them jobs can be a pain but as always u get it done another cracking video watched the last 3 this evening been busy as hell so nice to sit down chill out and catch up keep the video coming 👍👍
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Hope the screen has a good tolerance to adjust more than 35 mm plus thickness of tiles 😢
Yep we had to have custom made screens as the chippy couldn’t use a tape measure🤣
I know this is off the topic of plumbing but I just learned something new today from your video lol I never knew that you had dinner around noon time I’m from the US and our dinner is around 5 to 7 so when I heard you say that you just finished off your dinner I had to stop the video and look it up online I know that has nothing to do with plumbing but you did teach me something today lol never new
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣….. some call it dinner, some call it lunch etc etc….
Every day is a learning day buddy 🤣👍🏼👍🏼
Brilliant mate. keep ya head up pal 👍🏻
Cheers Jon…. 👍🏼👍🏼
Looking good mate tbf often happens our builders but it is annoying however they are a good source of work builders
Thanks mate… yep some are good to work for 👍🏼👍🏼
Read the comments and there's nothing new to add. Except been their with undersized openings. The last one, recently was 40mm over. Even though I had marked out for the wall for the stud work. Now they've had got to live with a protrusion. 14 x 8 tray in new un-suite, corner of bedroom!
As a diyer i have always used on stud work 12mm hardiebacker for the internals of a shower enclosure to tile onto. Is that overkill ? Also silicone is great if enough of the shower tray bottom will be flush with the ground which yours looks with those strategically placed round pads
Thanks mate
Oh!!! Pressed Steel Baths look at that the wrong way & they chip!!! I’ve always hated them, fortunately, we don’t fit many up here in Jockoland👍👍
I’m pleased you’re happier Mark, some of these jobs are a complete PITA!!
I enjoyed the video mate, keep em coming!
Thanks buddy….. yep I know what you mean with these baths
brill vid mark ,,swing with the punches the builder seems a decent bloke will only improve your relationship n get better next job
Thanks Mick….. yer it’s heading the right way 👍🏼
Nice one....👍 I always have and always will hate doing shower trays , there always seems to be a problem of some kind also all shower areas need tanking now ( Building Reg ) so why did they board and plaster the inside.....! Doesn't make sense....
Great job as always mate....👍
Yep I know mate…. This is builders for you…
When you cut the first one and the clip went straight onto the second shower tray that didn't fit 😂🤣 I fast-forwarded the start but the fresh plastered walls and fucked up measurements look just a typical new build. Glad to see some things don't change 😂😅😅🤣
Yep…. And it left to us to fit a round peg in a square hole as it were
How do you level a tray on silicone? That’s why people use sand and cement or tile adhesive, because floors are very rarely level
Never had an issue in 30years buddy👍🏼👌🏼
Great vid as always, keep going mate!
Thanks mate as always 👍🏼👍🏼
Good video mate. Thanks for putting it together. Often a shower tray will be slightly over. So a 1700 tray might actually be 1710mm. The inside plastering of the cubicle is a little odd. I'd leave the internals unplastered but always tape up and tank the walls before tiling. The Popmaster comment made me laugh! 😂.
Yer I know they come up slightly bigger sometimes, however these enclosures were a fair bit smaller!!!!!
@@MJTiffPlumbing oh I know mate. You did well 👏🏻
Multitool is your friend
One of the must have bits of kit for any toolbox
I'd be worried about that 1200 tray, most door adjustments for that size are 1140mm to 1190mm
See the pinned comment
Have been a subscriber for several months and thoroughly enjoy what you put out. I’m a bathroom fitter myself and understand the days when you are not with the job and rather be elsewhere, but keep with it as you will look back and laugh at those days! But keep the daily work routine coming 👍
Thanks mate, and Thankyou for watching the channel 👍🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
This is true REAL WORLD plumbing, having to deal with this nonsense! Good to just either crack on with it or walk away and not get it get to ya.
👍🏼👍🏼thanks
Great vid as usual. Do you ever use a classi seal around your shower trays? Also if tray is not level when dry fitting do you find it still can be levelled using blobs of silicone or do you use a different method to level tray.
Keep up the content, it’s great 👍
Nice one mark 👍👍
Cheers mate 🙌🏼🙌🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Tip I learnt from Roger at Skillbuilder, get some plastic wrapping straps like they use on bundles of bricks on pallets, sling them under the shower tray and around, then when you lower it down you can lift it back up easily using the straps.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 nice little trick
Great job you’ve stuck at it brilliantly and maybe it wasn’t as bad as you’d anticipated. Fair play Mark. I take it the waste location had to be spot on. How were you able to screw trap underneath without being able to get your hand under I’d say that was tricky. Sometimes they jump threads when tightening. Man I take my hat off to you. Your a plumbing warrior and thanks for showing us. If you can do that you can do anything Mark.
Happy Sunday. Hope you are well :-)
Thanks mate, yes im good....
Bet the shower doors/enclosures will be a joy
See the pinned comment mate 😉
@@MJTiffPlumbing Found it 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Missed that completely 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂👍👍
Hey Mark you're just going to have to teach the builder the way it should go going forward then you'll both be happy
Indeed 👍🏼
I took my apprentice on a site last year to finish off a few bits and the builder was a complete arse though the whole build .I said I’d buy my apprentice maccies as I lost a bet. I nipped out for all of 15 minutes to get it and on my return walked into world war three with the builder chasing my apprentice round with a broom handle.
Turned out my apprentice hated the builder more than me as during lunch my apprentice took the opportunity to shit in the builders tea cup and put it in the microwave while the builder was in the bog,🤣😂
Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣
I'm no bathroom fitter/plumber but I ordered a bath that was 1700mm, picked it up and it sat there for a month. When I come to fit it, it wouldn't fit. I couldn't work out why till I measured the bath. It was 1710mm. I complained to the shop only to be told the measurements are nominal. Can be 10mm either way. Never again. I had to cut away the plasterboard and it never looked right. 10 years later the tap broke and I couldn't get the bath out to fix it as it was up against the wall. Never again. I'll leave it to you guys.
Yep, always something like that happening and it really pisses you off aswell, as you found out
Another quality video mate, hands down best plumbing TH-cam channel. Are the doors going to fit on the trays as the alcove opening hasn't been left wide enough? Just wondering if the tolerance they give will go small enough.
thanks mate...... glad you like them.....
See pinned comment for the doors
Great vid mate, keep going!
Thanks Ollie 🙌🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Glad you’ve got your head around it all mate. I have a couple of builders I do work for and they tend to be good and make sure all’s good for me to be fair. Just watch your fingers under those big trays tough mate, they bloody hurt lol.
Cheers Robert…. Yer after chat with him it was all good…. Just tap along and get it done..
I know you say you prefer using silicone, would classi seal not be cheaper and personal I think it’s the best thing ever made in terms of plumbing materials/fittings, but as you say mate everyone has their own way of doing, also doing a site and we sometimes get problems with the plasterboard for the baths and have to cut the wall aswell lol
goog luck gettin a door to suit those measuremenst
Door is in and fitted…. Was off the shelf👍🏼
I new you would do it no probs bit frustrating but it’s all part and parcel makes your vid really good.👍👍👍
Thanks mate, just getting into a new job is always different
Maybe you need to sit and have a chat with the builder. Other trades going in doing their bits and thinking fudge it not my problem that this is gonna cause the next chap issues. I’m getting paid to do X/Y/Z.Poor plumbers gotta try and fit something in a space where previous trades have taken all tolerances out.
Seen it me self either too short or too long when other people measure stuff and your expected to deal with it it
Indeed mate, I have spoken to the builder
Brilliant
Thanks mate
Top job mate 👍🏼
Thanks Ian 👍🏼👍🏼
I have always fitted the shower trays to exactly what the manufactures reccomend as if not and they crack and you have not used the method they say you will be liable to replace and not them! Not worth the risk for me anyway. Good video always enjoy your uploads keeping it real.
Thanks mate
Glad to see you are cracking on with this job despite the challenges you are facing, better to work with the builder to discuss and agree the way forward. On a separate note how is your new grandson getting on? All the best.
Thanks mate…👍🏼👍🏼
Grandson is very well mate, getting bigger very fast
Bleedin bodge
DHC
Surprised at the metal bath, your thoughts please.
Some people prefer these I have found when doing suites with a Victorian style about them
Just hope that the shower screens will fit!!
See the pinned comment 😉
Yes Mark. Do u silicone shower wastes in?
Also what waste are you using because the cheap Chinese ones always leak
Yer I silicone shower wastes, always use macalpine
S'bout reyt! Builders!? What about penny pinching customers?
"Oh, we know a plasterer".
So when "the plasterer" attends and you explain your specifications, you still need to chop 25mm out for the head end of the bath, lower the bath in at an angle and then jack up the feet to get it to fit.
Next job.
"Oh we know a plasterer"
So, when you re-attend, the walls aren't plumb, are up to 30mm out at the top lh and rh side of the window and you are working with 600 x 300 mm porcs....brick-course pattern. Plasterers... I even uploaded a video. Don't spill your beer if you watch it.
Great
Thanks
Feel your pain on that job.Just my 3 penny worth -no criticism of your work-But I found there is a massive difference between some silicones when fixing trays down on to chipboard..Used to use mortar mix but on switching to silicone I did one with a liberal amount of Dow Corning 785 and the silicone didn't have any adhesion whatsoever to the substrate when I did a 'test lift' the next day. The substrate had also been swept and primed with SBR the previous day so was dust free. Then used a hybrid polymer type sealant the second time(plumbers gold) and it definitely made a world of difference in bonding to the chipboard. In reality, as we know, those big trays could probably sit there for decades without any form of sealant under 'em but I've learned not to waste any more sanitary sealant in trying to stick the damn things down in future.
I got fed up of man-handling those big sized trays so I bought a grabo not the cheapest but paid for itself already and saves your fingers and back!!
Yer I’ve got a set of suckers….. but they arrived on Saturday 🤣🤣
Videos are great,been in the game for nearly 38 years,contemplating going back self employed.Am I right in thinking you don’t do any gas work?
Gotta stop at 10.30 for popmaster,that’s the way of the plumber.keep up the good work
Cheers Paul
Thanks mate, yep I stopped renewing my gas a few years back as didn’t have the demand, now have an engineer I use when I need to 👍🏼
LITTLE TIP FOR YA: TRIM THE TRAY..THE STONE RESIN CUT LOVELY..DO IT EVERY TIME , NEVER HAD A BOTHER ;)
Said no one ever 🤣🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing im not joking. 10mm either end with a diamond blade, tray intergrity maintained..no huffing and puffing gouging plaster board and uprights...done it loads.
@@MJTiffPlumbing also, i hope ya feelo g better in ya head mate...im a solo bathroom fitter and had a dip in me mood end of last year...busiest year ever, but the old covid propaganda machine took a toll on everyone i reckon, whether we knew it or not. Keep gannin', bonny lad ...bod@aquavitebathroomsolutions ;)
Well I genuinely thought you was taking the piss….. I’m impressed that you even tried it in the first place…. I think I will leave that with you mate, but thanks for the comment.
Also, yer I’m feeling much better in my mindset now, thanks for asking buddy👍🏼👍🏼🙌🏼
You seem a bit happier Mark. Thank god for that. I thought i was watching PB. Great job sure you will sort out the problems once the client decides what they want. Well done Tiff lad.
Cheers Pat….😉
Yep a bit less worried/stressed about this one now👍🏼👍🏼
Good luck with the screens. One with minimal profiles!
See the pinned comment mate 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing oh I seen it. Just wishing you luck with them 😊
What's wrong with builders in UK they can't take simple measurements from wall to wall? If they know as in this place will be shower why they plaster walls???
Then customers call me for licking shower and every time I'm surprise what shit job I see and it doesn't matter new or old building...
Day rate plus £100 in multi tool blades! With regard to the screen you could always tile/ board up to it………………just like they were in my upstairs shower room🤬 oh and then silicone the 5mm gap between the screen and the shower wall 😳oh and then not bother boarding the studwork opting for that tried and tested method of 12mm plasterboard packers siliconed to the studs!😱oh and then finding that said silicone is not really holding the shower wall to the studs sufficiently opt for 50mm screws with caps to hold it in position🤨,oh and then wonder why there’s so much filler in the kitchen ceiling😂 needless to say that one is now sorted. Only the downstairs bathroom to completely gut now as some moron did exactly the same there too. Glad you stuck with it bud👍🏻
Holy shit 🤣🤣🙈🙈🙈🙈
And then you find the sliding shower door doesn't fit! Aghhh!
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Have you fitted the 4 inch pipes in the concrete for the shower drains yourself? If yes, can you give me the link to that video?
No mate, that was the builders job
Quick question. Ripping out old shower. Noticed that the 1200 tray has plasterboard (and tile) down to edge or tray. Rather than chop studs/move walls, would it be easier to pack one side out and fit a 1100 tray? That seems the se sible idea to me. Thanks in advance for any adivce.
Plasterboard is best going to the floor
@@MJTiffPlumbing legend. Thanks Mark, appreciate the response. Have a great Easter 👍
If there is anyone out there who could possible help with this headache... Space between brick wall and metal stud work is 1230. 1200 shower tray doesn't give enough room to get 2 X board either side + adhesive on brick side. An 1100 would fit but it means me doubling up (and more) on board on the side of the steel stud wall (which backs onto a cupboard). Ideally I'd want a shower tray of 1150 but they don't seem to offer them. Any wisdom to share on this anyone?
One, where you getting your trays from cause if we tried those angles with the ones we get they'd crack for sure.
Two, we only silicone trays on solid floors (concrete), any joist floors are sand cement on top of ply. Whatever works and doesn't get you a call back under warranty though.
Three, since 2018 shower areas are supposed to be tanked so what was the point in plastering it's just a waste of man hours instead of using a waterproofing board.
Trays supplied by builder….. thankfully, maybe you should be using better quality trays 😉👍🏼
Yep I’ve always used silicone for nearly 28years in the trade, never ever had an issue, not once👍🏼
As for the tanking, that’s on the builder…..
@@MJTiffPlumbing Always check the manufacturers installation instructions as some specify silicone, others mortar. Rodger @ Skill builder has covered this recently: th-cam.com/video/zzBoD8a3umU/w-d-xo.html Saves the headache from a call back but those that don't care about reputation will use silicone as it's quicker and easier . . .
@@1keafy my reputation is perfectly fine mate, siliconed trays for 27years in the plumbing trade…. Not 1 single issue
MARK,had this before and had to do the same BUT, if the opening is 1160 less tiling 20mm?,1140 your door/enclosure adjustment may not be enough?thats if your have door sliders?
Yep, see the pinned comment mate 👍🏼
What drill bit did you use to cut down the drain waste for the shower bud?
Think it was the internal drill cutter from memory
@@MJTiffPlumbing any idea what brand? If not no worries👍🏼
Matt, I have to install a shower tray in an external building, but to create a enough fall to connect to the waste outlet, we have to raise the tray off the concrete floor. Any tips for doing this? Would you build the floor up underneath with ply, concrete or use a riser kit?
I would build a solid base with 3x2 and ply board the top mate 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing cheers mate and thanks for taking the time to reply.
Glad that you are feeling better about this job best of luck with it all. Are you also fitting a heating system
Thanks mate…
Nope all the underfloor heating is in and done by the renewables company on this one mate 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing A lot less work then so hopefully all the other jobs work out ok for you
Well done sticking with it mate .... and I wish all bath legs where like them steel bath legs, I can't stand the plastic bath legs
So much better than the plastic crap that comes with baths now
How do you know if the waste is leaking?
Years of being in the trade makes you know it’s not….. doing it right
Seems now that loads of trays are poorly made. I’ve being using the Mira flight trays that have been fine, but as skill builder has found, they are not finishing the bottom of the trays 🤦🏻♂️
Pop master
Oh yes🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Trays are a nightmare
Indeed they are
Hi, what is the name of that too you used to cut the 110 waste pipe?
It’s in the description buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Could you not have cut the front and slid it in meaning less to plaster and patch ??