Installing a Shower Tray and Tile Backer Boards | DIY Garage Conversion
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- It's time to press on with the garage conversion. First up is the bathroom and getting the walls ready for tiling. Whereas in the past we have used cement board, this time we tried the lighter weight backer boards which turned out great.
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The tile boards and washers we used are linked in the description should they be needed. Enjoy! :-)
Hi tim,
I must of watched so many videos about shower installations in preparation for me doing mine, even though yours was short as a video it has filled me with much more confidence to do it myself, thank you !!😁
Spot on mate.... that tile backer board is good as the thermal inside helps lessen condensation in the bathroom so I’ve heard. Very methodical in your thinking as always like myself. Caving trip under the floor looked... “fun” haha ! And as I see from your Facebook, tiles look very smart! Good work guys!
100 X more for you I know but seeing it getting so much closer to completion feels soooo good ☺️
Fantastic progress well done. Roger Bisby will approve of your insulated boards!
Wouldn't approve of using adhesive as a seal 😂😂
Hey there, I'm in the middle of exactly the same job! frugal, and on a budget DIY. Thanks for the tips
those tiles boards is so much easier to work with enjoyed the video.
Just subbed the other day. Greetings from Ireland. Fantastic channel. Binge watching all your stuff. Learning loads. Thank you.
Welcome! 👍
Perfect timing - I'm going to be renovating our holiday lets accommodation and completely gutting a Big kitchen and 3 bathrooms!!! What have I let myself in for?!?
Easiest way to cut the insulated backerboard is with a Stanley knife, run the knife along a straight edge, snap the board, and another quick pass with the Stanley and jobs a good’un!
Nice one Tim (tims dad 😉)
Great video! I have the same tile boards, but which make of adhesive / silicone did you use?
Hey Tim,
I had my own bathroom project a couple of years back & after lots of research & advice from internet forums etc i opted for hardie backer boards (heavy & expensive) & now i just think what an unnecessary product & cost!!
If i did it again i would use moisture resistant plaster board & tank it.
Quicker, cheaper & just as effective.
Looking good though👍
Having done both I prefer these, by the time you buy a tanking kit it’s about the same price. Harder boards were a pain to work with looking back!
next time skip the hardi board and get kerdi board. Same idea as the hardie boards but much lighter and easier to work with.
Hi Tim. Great videos. Restoring a old cornish cottage atm and converting a campervan so learning lots from your vids.
Just wondering if you sealed/primed the backer boards before tiling.
Keep up the good work.
Regards David
Seriously? Not again Tim. lol I've just finished putting on my first lot of tiles and I come in and this videos up. 😂😂 although I've never tiled before but I've done white metro tiles and it was next to my back door 1/4 meter wide. I can tell you that was not easy.
Hi mate, hope your well and thanks for the inspiration!!
Just a quick question did you have stud/timber/noggin support around every board joint, do you need ? Hope that makes sense! How has it been since you put it in?
Thanks again! Keep it up!
Just come across your video and just recently started ripping my tired bathroom out.....just before CV hit! :-/
Anyway, I like the level of detail that you going to as many videos leave this out and you are left with more questions than answers. Couple of things to check though:
1. How are you getting on with your choice of construction board? I have pondered long and hard about the various options.
2. I noticed that some boards are 12 mm and others are 12.5 mm. If you are then marrying these up with a skimmed wall, are you not going to have a bit of a step there when it comes to tiling?
3. When using the washers, did you hammer them further in after initial screwing? Marmox recommend doing this, I guess to make them flush. Not sure about other manufacturers though.
4. Was surprised to see you using water-soluble PVA on the floor. Why did you not go with SBR?
5. Not sure I would use regular scrim and tile adhesive in the shower, but there again I am not an expert! My personal choice would be fully waterproof tape and adhesive.
6. I think normally tb comes over the top of the tray and another piece behind the tray with sealant, for a second-level of protection. Is it all holding-up as donne?
Thanks for sharing the video and the above is not in any way criticism, but just some of my random thoughts as a non-pro that maybe well-wide of the mark! Perhaps one day you may get the chance to have a pop at my video if I ever get round to doing it.
I hope the boiler is room sealed and your circ pump and two port vaves are going to get protection from condensation and steam from the shower.
As a plumber i wouldn't dream of putting these items in the same room.
Hope this makes sense.
Hi Tim, I'm wondering if there was any flex in the tile backer board between the uprights? I'm just in the middle of fitting the same product (from wickes) and thinking I may need to put some extra timber uprights in. Love your videos. Thanks!
They may have been ok at 400 centres but we ended up putting in 2 or 3 noggins to make sure and on joins of course. 👍
@@TheRestorationCouple thanks Tim, I think more noggins needed! thanks for reply
I did a similar job a few years back and regretted not insulating the void between the studs as the noise when running the shower made sleeping in the bedroom next door almost impossible. Ended up drilling holes from the bedroom and injecting expanding foam.
Yes we worth it if upstairs. As this is a bonus shower in a downstairs bathroom the only thing next door is a workshop full of power tools! The original Victorian bathroom here had the studs filled with sawdust for insulation!
I'm a beginner, can I ask you install the waterproof boards on top of a plasterboard???
yes you can
Great video, just a shame you spend all that time waterproofing the walls just to not waterproof the joints and screw holes by using tile adhesive instead of the tanking compound and tape.
Just says in the video he's taping the joints.
It looked like the backer board reached the ground and then the tray slid up tight against it, touching it but in front of it. Shouldn't the backer board have a gap at the bottom for the tray to slip under? That way, water flowing down the backer board in years to come, hits the top of the tray and runs into it rather than continuing to flow straight down behind it to reach the floor?
I appreciate there will likely be flashing there but I'm talking about in the future when that might have failed in spots.
Just asking the question here not making a statement.
Possible but not seen it done that way before. They have a small gaps top and bottom which was siliconed. Then tray on and tiles go down on to tray.
Yeah I guess the tiles are helping the water drip to the tray. I think it's probably overkill but I think it's if some how water got behind the tile and ran down the backer board it could get behind where the tray and board meet hence getting into your wall causing other problems.
Your relying on the tile grout and cement stopping water seapage then the board and silicone. Problem you could have is the water might weaken the bond between board and cement in years and years.... Worse case scenario but I bet your looking at decades you done a great job gonna do the exact same.
Some pros on you tube really go mad when the backer board doesn't sit in the tray so you might get alot of flack from them..
That wouldn't work, as when you come to install the shower quadrant, it wouldn't fit on the shower tray.
Backer board (to the floor) first, then shower tray with sealant behind to affix to backer board, bead of sealant around tray edge/backer board, then put in place waterproof tape ( Abacus no leaks kit is best), then tiles and sealant. Absolutely no leaks this way. Take a look ar Roger Bisby's demo for this installation.
you use tile backer boards as you would plaster board and you push the tray upto it, if you were to cut the tray into the board you would loose the waterproof seal as the water could then pass between the tray and the boards and then into the wall cavity, this would then cause damage to the timbers and flooring inside the wall which you wouldnt know about until to late.
Finally, been waiting for this all day lol, Have you had anymore thoughts about patron videos, like peter Millard? Don’t worry your still number one ; )
We have actually set up a Patreon page just have not made it public yet. It’s a juggling act of keeping things natural and non commercial yet also not working 40-50 extra hours a week for pennies. We are taking our time to ensure we don’t rush into anything that is not a good fit for us. 👍
I totally agree with you, you put so much effort into your videos with the recording and editing, its like another full time job, so why not get something out of it, at the end of the day i love your videos but if you weren’t making much from it i am sure you would rather spend the time with your family, p.s. I would definitely be a patron when you decide to go live with it.
It's been one year I wonder how much water manage to get through the tiles into the timber
Hopefully none!
What pants are you wearing at the end?
Any reason you didn’t fit any insulation in between the studs?
It’s just an internal stud wall between a utility and the shower. Perhaps in a bathroom next to a bedroom to cut down noise but minimal gain.
The Restoration Couple thanks for your reply. I’m doing mine now and is next to a bedroom so that helps me lots 😂😂. Would you be worried putting insulation round cables/ hot/ cold water pipes for shower ect?
Best not to overdo it especially around cables. You can use conduit if concerned. The foam backerboard will do most of the job, you could just go thicker with that.
Really good job my only criticism is shouldn't the backer board it on top of the shower tray rim?
I'm litterally about to copy you, seen so many vids where they put the tray down first then sit the backer board on the tray and silicone the bottom of the board and tray together with a 2mm gap.
Do I spy a Screwfix pencil? 😉
Possibly! Don’t worry not product placement! 😂
And ofcourse i cant get them here🤷♂️🙄 i got cement boards.. hope that will do...
No problem with cement board at all, just a bit more muscle needed! Maybe I’m just going a bit soft.
Why they make these boards 600mm wide is beyond me. Most new stud walls are 400mm spacing. I hate having to put extra noggins in for the sake of the backer board. That should sell them in 1200 x 1200. That way it caters for both 400 and 600mm studs
Very true. 🙄
Can get them in a number of sizes, but 1200 x 600 is handy size for carrying though a property, Just turn the boards and install it sideways 1200 wide and cover the 400 noggins you want
never ever use tile adhesive to fix the tray to the floor !
Looks really rough
No niche?
Could have in hindsight but as it’s a bonus small shower in an annexe I’ve left it pretty simple.
Plus I don’t need many bottles of shampoo! 😉
The Restoration Couple haha, I know that feeling!!
amateur hour jees
Coming across as really tight fisted in this video.
Do the project right, stop scrimping on materials.
Wedi 610 joint adhesive and sealant.
michael dean ...and only £15+. for 310ml! You certainly would never be accused of scrimping when using anything with the label ‘Wedi’ on it, albeit a quality product.
All that messing about.Just use green waterproof plaster board.
its not waterproof, its moisture resistant and doesnt conform to building regs in UK anymore for tiled wet areas. July 2018 British Standards Institute (BSI) for BS 5385-1
@@RubberduckbathroomsCoUk Freind of mine just had his bathroom done by government.they used green board.?
@@t147han Government?? You mean out sourced to cheapest contractor who prob isnt upto date with regulations. Please search the regulations and you will see the requirments, also many professional plumbers you have youtube accounts also will confirm. Skillbuilder and the likes. July 2018 British Standards Institute (BSI) for BS 5385-1. In 2018, the British Standards Institute (BSI) introduced changes in regulations for tiling in wet areas. Under the new revision, whenever you’re tiling any bathroom, shower or other wet area, a suitable tanking membrane should be fitted first, even in domestic locations to prevent damage or unreasonable nuisance due to water or moisture migration. Green plasterboard is Moisture Resistant and not waterproof and does not conform to regulation unless its then treated with a tanking membrain, either paint on or roll one substrait. This would add extra time and cost over just buying tileback board.