On maps like Berlin and Advance to the Rhine Panther has a high chance for it's crew to have lower survivability and to randomly abandon the vehicle coming from the fact that they are children
Completely the opposite man. All of the surviving tank veterans were placed in german downtown cities. The volksturm children and old men were put on the fields and the suburbs, between them and the russians to act as cannon fodder. It’s hell
@@suclox12yearsago56 I think the war at every stage was hell. If you were german it was the end, if you were soviet it was the beginning, if you were Chinese it was pretty much the whole thing, Japanese towards the end, Italy was hell and great depending on who you asked at what point. France was hell and then worse hell and then less hell... and for America it was hell for the dyslexic.
@@Robb1977 I think it's disgusting you mention America but not Britain. America was never bombed, Britain was. America was never threatened with invasion, Britain was. America was not bankrupted, Britain was.
The veteran resident in the retirement home I worked in always told me, how he drove his Panther at 70Kph on the Autobahn and managed to never have any broken engine. Also nearly got captured when a US para landed 100 meters infront of him while he was fixing a tank during Market Garden. Rip Anton.
Panther F: Wait, I can explain... Panther A: My transmission broke more than 8 times this month! Panther D: Only 8? My engine burst to fire 10 times a week! Panther G: You guys have engine problems?
@@sneakycactus8815 Yeah it was a big improvement over the previous panthers, and it was also used in Jagdpanther. Sadly it came too late to change the war
@@siegfried2k4 well from the videos ive seen on ww2 in regards to germany. they were pretty much doomed in 1941, before operation barbarosa. their oil consumption was twice their oil production capability and they needed the oil from the caucuses. thats a big reason why they invaded the soviets. I don't think a new panther engine would have changed the war since they were in constant retreat after 1942, and by 1944 they were super fucked.
I remember reading somewhere that the Panther G turret was placed onto the hull by the americans. And that the Panther 2 didn't have a turret as it was more a test vehicle late into the war.
@@masterdynamo6457 Sadly the narrow turret was made after the Panther 2 project ended. But in theory it would of been possible to give the Panther 2 the turret
@@jammygamer8961 same story for a lot of the lesser known stuff there, lots of half destroyed interesting vehicles like the recovery and beach vehicles outside. Absolute wrecks but they made it through in some way
@@tirpitz177 Nah, the EBR is far-and-away an extremely good vehicle for 4.7. It has a gun to rival the 17pdr but with a 5 second reload, extremely good mobility, great maneuverability, and far superior gun handling. It has everything it needs to be a menace at 4.7.
@@bluntcabbage6042 you're totally correct. If you arent taking the first shot(which is usually a killshot anyways) you arent playing the EBR right. On top of that, since your penn is almost garunteed unless its a russian heavy, the 5 sec reload makes the follow up shot come out sooner than anyone expects. Its a naked sniper thats also pretty good at knife fighting. Not for your average hurr-de-durr 4.3 german play style but played pretty cautiously it will always always always come out on top. It wouldn't even be that bad against vehicles in its age range! people out here just exposing themselves LOL
@Daniel Walder as said in video , not all variants had it , and I didn’t say that it didn’t have , just pointed it that I didn’t know that in fact some of them were built with stabilisers , and as usual at that time I guessed they would work at low speeds like Churchill’s and Sherman’s
Na, the allies would not make a difference, it's more like that. German tank crew: Does as much as looking the wrong way at the tank. Tank: Decides to break down. But in all seriousness, the longevity of the final drive increased with the developement of the Panther, especially the Jagdpanther eventually had very reliable final drives.
The early ones would have been bad. Many issues was fixed on the late Panther A's and by the time we get to the Panther G they where actually quite reliable by ww2 standards. Panther D and early A's did have a lot of issues tho.
@Hans Blitzkrieg Germany had a quality over quantity approach, if you have few tanks and they easily break, then you are screwed. However the Soviets had a quantity over quality mentality, which meant that a broken tank was easily replaced.
2:05 Actually, Panther A has a 700hp 3000rpm engine, which is HL230 without rev limiter. 600 hp 2500rpm has rev limiter applied to reduce transmission stress and improve it's durability. 650hp 3000 rpm engine is an earlier HL210 mounted in Panther D variant.
The statement about the road wheels getting immobilized by frozen mud is a myth. The Chieftain has a good video about the Panther, mentioning that fact.
Be mud like to harden in all the cracks and crevices moisture expand below freezing Be Panther have touchy final drives have frozen caked on mud close gaps tracks being lifted out of the grove need to break it loose crew too lazy to scrape ice step on gas harder than normal to overcome resistance do this many times snap gear tooth get into ice pick fight with Russian tank crew whose IS-T series tank is on its weekly breakdown
A couple of others, specific to foreign Panthers: -Due to low numbers in service, only four Panther ‘Dauphines’ may spawn per match. -Due to wartime sabotage, components of the Panther ‘Dauphine’ have a chance to randomly fail. -Due to shortage of parts, some components cannot be repaired or replaced, and others take longer to repair. -Due to low numbers in service, only two T-Vs may be spawned per match. This number increases to three per match if the player is Romanian (a number were handed off to Romania by the Soviets for their post-war military to use). -Due to shortage of parts, some components cannot be repaired or replaced, and others take longer to repair.
0:34 Or simply a governor that holds the engine reving at max RPM, very common in every military vehicle, even today ! Not really relevant.. For the corollary of engine wear, i do agree but only half ! Why ? Maybach engines were known to be really reliable ! And tank engine were designed (still today) to be ran at max power output all the time ! (most of it) Even if spare parts were scarce, maintenance was pretty easy compared to some other tanks.. turret was spacious as well as the hull part.. only transmission install and repair were tedious, this counter balance the longer repair times ! Rest is indeed correct ! Panther was an amazing piece of technology (back then)
On the early Panthers the production was so rushed that most of the vehicles broke down after a little time. They perfected the Panther though, but the last variant was deployed in late 1944, too late in the war
With the part of your videos you put "Cannot repair some broken components". I think it would be cool to have a small list of some of the components that couldn't be repaired to show an example.But love you vids man.
I never playing this game, but all of the videos about it just entertaining, because from my perspective, F2P game's community is different to how make a topic about their game, because sometime they have much time to playing and understanding the game itself. also your video is short and to the point also making it more better.
I once had a Wehraboo annoying me as he kept on arguing that the Panther's Interleaved roadwheels and torsion bar suspension were not overengineered and were far more reliable than the Sherman's roadwheels and suspension. Despite me submitting evidence showing the opposite he kept on ignoring me. Even claimed that an AT mine would easily destroy an M4 outright but only slightly damage a Panther's torsion bar, (which he also claimed were super easy to repair). (Torsion bar suspensions as a whole are not unreliable, when properly maintained and if the vehicle itself is reliable then the Torsion bar suspension is fantastic, that was not the case with the German tanks as their torsion bar suspensions were different to most and were fairly complicated, which made them more prone to failures than a standard torsion bar suspension).
@@CrazyDutchguyswehraboo spotted The panther was rare to encounter as was the tiger, while Shermans were a dime a dozen. As for it’s turret, it had slow traverse and was not impervious to frontal attack. There were a number of tanks that could withstand a hit from a Panther.
@@paraphidd From my understanding of multiple sources, the Panzer 3 and 4s were rare as well in mid to late war as well, on record being as few as 1 Panzer 4 per 100 shermans or t-34s
Due to the lack of spare parts, parts are gathered from destroyed Tanks. This includes the destroyed player Tanks, as well as Set piece Tanks. The closer the other tank is, the shorter the repair time gets.
If the Panther was historically accurate, you'd better run and hide to repair and hope the repair doesn't last long enough for the mud to freeze on Stalingrad.
I love how in every video, he is like, look at all those defaults on them, might as well not play war thunder because guess what? Most of the tanks would break down mid match!
The Panther II had some other difference that made it simmilar to the Tiger for ease of production. Like the suspension and wheels were the same as the tiger's. There were plans to add a 88mm gun instead of the 75, and the Panther II turret was actually made. The configuration that you present in the video is the earlier proposed version of the panther II because soviet anti tank rifles could penetrate the panther. This version was never made because the problem of weak side armour was solved by adding side skirts instead. The Later panther II project was made to be simmilar to the tiger ans share parts with it, have a 88mm gun and have a new turret.
2:07 it's 700hp, not 650. Idk details but seems to be the Tiger H1/Panther D 650hp engine but upgraded. This 100hp drop from the A to the G/F makes me wish they were at the same BR as the A. Yeah the turret armor is a bit better but it's rotation is also slower.
So basically, in game: - a Panther II that simply has thicker armour, at 6.0 - should have a slower acceleration and top speed - Panther F should have a stabilizer - Panthers should have weaker tracks - Panthers should have a slightly longer repair time I love my Panthers, the armour is insane, the firepower is superb and the mobility keeps up somehow. I think it'd be much more balanced with these changes.
Final drives were significantly improved since late A models. Frozen mud making tank stuck is a myth. There is no single service note regarding both Tiger and Panther having this issue.
The way I see it they should put the panther 2 back in the game to make it available for everyone to research again, because 6.7 Germany needs a medium tank. And remake the panther F, because its inferior to the G and A model, it should at least have the panther 2s up armored hull, with a stabilize but everything else should be the same. So same gun as the old panthers and such. Even make it a 6.3 tank with the upgrades And on a side note Gijian model the damn drivers port on the Stug 3, and put in the game the concrete varint of the Stug as well.
That thing with fires and transmission/ Final drive was a bigger Problem on ausf D and A. They were just rushed in combat, before they should have faced it. The G solved many of these problems. A vet of the Hermann Göring Panzer Division Who was in a Panther for over 6 months told me, that tracks were their biggest Problem. Due to poor steel quality, these broke very often. I know that Wikipedia tells you different , but i Think a veteran is a reliable source.
@Hans Blitzkrieg damn you are really determined to make the Panther seem like a reliable tank. Reliability of German transmissions went out as soon as the Pz 4 F2 dropped.
@@ali_ing069 being an allieboo is a better thing then being a wehraboo. Why should I take a stand for the people that killed millions for no reason? And no,this information is correct. You are the wrong one here. German transmissions were overcomplicated and underpowered for a heavy vehicle like a Panther or tiger ll. If your tank breaks down or catches fire before even reaching the front,it's a bad tank,and then it's more of an oversized pillbox than a tank.
this series is just a few facts about a tank being a subject, literally game part can be excluded and we'll be left with the same thing except images from the game
If the Panther II should be introduced in a historically acurate fashion, I would put it at 6.3 at the same place T-44 is. Both would be very mobile with extreamly well protected hulls but with rather weak turret protection and weapons carried over from the previous generation of vehicles. So I think that would be fair.
Heres the thing all tanks and i mean ALL TANKS were prone to breakdowns, fires and malfunctions its a flaw of designs in production but in the end the panther was a very well made tank
Yes, all tanks risk breakdowns and malfunctions. That is true. The problem is when certain vehicle designs experience breakdowns and malfunctions _more often_ and with there being more difficulty to _correct_ the malfunction or breakdown. Panthers were complicated vehicles which were notoriously hard to maintain effectively in a war zone, which is a legitimate flaw in its design.
A stabilized gun site for the F would make it worth playing. I have the Panther II already and use the A at 5.7. When I did play the F it felt underwhelming.
Good addition. One thing that I always struggled to understand, though: the roadwheels freezing over. Not just in this tank, but in many others. How can frozen mud immobilise a vehicle that has enough horsepower to tow 45 tons behind it?
@@h5skb4ru41 The Panther's powertrain is capable of moving a 45 t vehicle while towing another 45 t behind it, that is why I have a tough time comprehending it.
You know, I've always wondered, if the majority of German aircraft utilized mechanical fuel injection, then why not create a derivative for the tank Maybach V12s? I assume cost was a huge factor... after all, by the time the DB605 was released, bearings and other critical internal components had been downgraded to the point that the engines were horrendously unreliable and dangerous until later rectified... so I guess the same issue plagued Maybach's tank engine design. They probably really wanted to make an engine that would last forever and be reliable, and, the extreme difficulty of maintenance points towards the engineers originally intending for that to be the case, but I suppose we'll never know now.
If the Panthers cannon barrel was historically accurate it would interact with its environment. (It wouldn't be able to magically pass through buildings and trees) All tanks in the game suffer from this. Strangely enough all their barrels react to being shot?!?
fucking boring. The planes would be even slower than the biplanes we have already. And the tanks would be garbage as most of them only had LMG's or howitzers and cant go over 14km/h
That is impossible because those tanks were never meant to fight each other at all. They were specifically designed to cross trenches and kill infantry. And ww1 planes were just horrible in all aspects.
The Engine: “I have decided to burst into flames”
Most of "carbu" gas engines were prone to this in rough conditions.. It was solved pretty fast !
“So anyway, I started blasting”
I said we burning today!
"i simply do not vibe with existing"
"I do appear to have burst into flame."
The redux of the redux
(Redux)
I’m sorry I had to wreck 250
“Due to lack of spare parts, Panthers experience longer repair times”
Fair point, but why is the visual aid a Panther on its side in a river?
He gave up on life
an artillery blasted it oof the bridge and the crew ambandoned it cause they lack of both spare part and of an method for recovert it
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry We’re done for! Everyone get out!
On maps like Berlin and Advance to the Rhine Panther has a high chance for it's crew to have lower survivability and to randomly abandon the vehicle coming from the fact that they are children
Completely the opposite man. All of the surviving tank veterans were placed in german downtown cities. The volksturm children and old men were put on the fields and the suburbs, between them and the russians to act as cannon fodder. It’s hell
@@siegfried2k4 You’re Right, the war at it’s later stages were pure hell
@@suclox12yearsago56 I think the war at every stage was hell. If you were german it was the end, if you were soviet it was the beginning, if you were Chinese it was pretty much the whole thing, Japanese towards the end, Italy was hell and great depending on who you asked at what point. France was hell and then worse hell and then less hell... and for America it was hell for the dyslexic.
@@Robb1977 That’s war for ya. May god provide anything like that for ever happening again
@@Robb1977 I think it's disgusting you mention America but not Britain. America was never bombed, Britain was. America was never threatened with invasion, Britain was. America was not bankrupted, Britain was.
To be historically accurate u have to find 5 friends to play the panther xD
Thats realism, not historical accuracy
@@templatename2006 shhhhh
@@templatename2006 shhhhhhhhhhhhh
In all honesty, that would be kind fun I think
If you want that kind of realism get post scriptum
The veteran resident in the retirement home I worked in always told me, how he drove his Panther at 70Kph on the Autobahn and managed to never have any broken engine. Also nearly got captured when a US para landed 100 meters infront of him while he was fixing a tank during Market Garden. Rip Anton.
definitely not 70. Its been well documented that Panthers could do 50, but DEFINITELY not 70
@@CrazyDutchguys they could go 60 kph as well.
@@CrazyDutchguys Panthers can drive 70 kph on road
I think Anton might have been an army cook who wanted someone to look up to him...
I forgot that we had highways back then. Always assumed there were only small 2 lane concrete roads only
Last time I was this early, my Panther had only caught fire twice.
Panther: ''Wanna see me do it again?''
Panther F: Wait, I can explain...
Panther A: My transmission broke more than 8 times this month!
Panther D: Only 8? My engine burst to fire 10 times a week!
Panther G: You guys have engine problems?
@@siegfried2k4 does the panther G have a better designed engine than the other Panthers?
@@sneakycactus8815 Yeah it was a big improvement over the previous panthers, and it was also used in Jagdpanther. Sadly it came too late to change the war
@@siegfried2k4 well from the videos ive seen on ww2 in regards to germany. they were pretty much doomed in 1941, before operation barbarosa. their oil consumption was twice their oil production capability and they needed the oil from the caucuses. thats a big reason why they invaded the soviets. I don't think a new panther engine would have changed the war since they were in constant retreat after 1942, and by 1944 they were super fucked.
If the amx-13 series was historically accurate
Yessss
Do it
dew it
“Dew it”
-emperor palpatine uhhhhhh whenever the Star Wars timeline says he said it
It wouldnt be against germany ww2 tanks
"Look hanz we made it to the end of the factory floor"
Last time i was this early Spookston still did the "Everything wrong with:" series
I remember reading somewhere that the Panther G turret was placed onto the hull by the americans. And that the Panther 2 didn't have a turret as it was more a test vehicle late into the war.
This is correct. As I understand, the Panther II likely would have received the Panther F turret with the 7.5 L/70.
@@masterdynamo6457 Sadly the narrow turret was made after the Panther 2 project ended.
But in theory it would of been possible to give the Panther 2 the turret
@@jammygamer8961 I’ve seen the narrow turret at bovington tank museum. It was used for target practice after the war, sad really
@@tyler_bt3326 me too.
It is sad it got blown to bits but at least they didn't throw it away once they was done blowing it up
@@jammygamer8961 same story for a lot of the lesser known stuff there, lots of half destroyed interesting vehicles like the recovery and beach vehicles outside. Absolute wrecks but they made it through in some way
early ngl
now where's if the EBR was historically accurate
If the EBR was historically accurate:
Due to being in production in 1954 it would never have faced any of the other tanks at it's current BR
@@bucky_deer I don't know dude, people i know who play it says its crap all the way around
@@kilachiki538 Nope, they are really good at the game in general, more wins than I could have
@@tirpitz177 Nah, the EBR is far-and-away an extremely good vehicle for 4.7. It has a gun to rival the 17pdr but with a 5 second reload, extremely good mobility, great maneuverability, and far superior gun handling. It has everything it needs to be a menace at 4.7.
@@bluntcabbage6042 you're totally correct. If you arent taking the first shot(which is usually a killshot anyways) you arent playing the EBR right. On top of that, since your penn is almost garunteed unless its a russian heavy, the 5 sec reload makes the follow up shot come out sooner than anyone expects. Its a naked sniper thats also pretty good at knife fighting. Not for your average hurr-de-durr 4.3 german play style but played pretty cautiously it will always always always come out on top. It wouldn't even be that bad against vehicles in its age range! people out here just exposing themselves LOL
HANS STOP TURNING THE ENGINE CAUGHT FIRE AGAIN.
Haha engine go vroooooooom
ze*
Only on the Panther G
If warthunders tanks were historically accurate: *No one would get anywhere because tanks apparently can't move 5 feet before breaking down*
Unless it’s a Sherman, apparently.
If the commander puts down his brewed coffee too hard, ammunition catches fire
0:06 We need the stabilizer man. It’s what we wehraboos need to fill the void left by Panther 2
never knew some variants had stabiliser, i guess they only work at low speeds, but still, would be fun as event vehicle
@Daniel Walder as said in video , not all variants had it , and I didn’t say that it didn’t have , just pointed it that I didn’t know that in fact some of them were built with stabilisers , and as usual at that time I guessed they would work at low speeds like Churchill’s and Sherman’s
Allies: looks at the Panther direction
Panther: breaks its final drive gears and catchs on fire
Allies: well that was simple
@@Eire_Aontaithe Maybe you are right, but at least my country didn't lose a war to a bunch of farmers armed with ak's
@@carloslocatelli2519
A very committed bunch of farmers. ;D
Na, the allies would not make a difference, it's more like that.
German tank crew: Does as much as looking the wrong way at the tank.
Tank: Decides to break down.
But in all seriousness, the longevity of the final drive increased with the developement of the Panther, especially the Jagdpanther eventually had very reliable final drives.
@@Eire_Aontaithe losing your objective doesn't equal to winning in anyone book bud
If WT's Panther was Historically Accurate: It sucks.
@Hans Blitzkrieg
Or get stuck in the mud.
Amazing, now we came full circle with the anti-wehraboo absolutism.
Not really
If it was accurate:
The machine gun cannot block rounds
Trapshooting works
The angled armor doesn’t give it 240mm protection
The early ones would have been bad.
Many issues was fixed on the late Panther A's and by the time we get to the Panther G they where actually quite reliable by ww2 standards.
Panther D and early A's did have a lot of issues tho.
On battle for Berlin map panthers have a chance of spawning in the ground being an imobile bunker
YES
Let me predict, tge engine breaks
You mean gearbox 😭😂
no the transmition m8
@Hans Blitzkrieg too late.
@Hans Blitzkrieg again,too late. Soviets were already knocking;and boy were they angry.
@Hans Blitzkrieg Germany had a quality over quantity approach, if you have few tanks and they easily break, then you are screwed.
However the Soviets had a quantity over quality mentality, which meant that a broken tank was easily replaced.
Man, imagine driving off of a train car when spawning into maps with Panthers, that'd be sick
2:05 Actually, Panther A has a 700hp 3000rpm engine, which is HL230 without rev limiter. 600 hp 2500rpm has rev limiter applied to reduce transmission stress and improve it's durability. 650hp 3000 rpm engine is an earlier HL210 mounted in Panther D variant.
1:58 that would be useless but it would be a funny way to take out open tops
If vehicles were realistic in warthunder.
"Hans, do you hear enemies?""no, not over the sound of engines burning amd final drives exploding"
Man I miss the everything wrong with series with the kick ass redesigns at the end.
The shot composition in these videos gets better and better with each new video. Keep it up!
The statement about the road wheels getting immobilized by frozen mud is a myth. The Chieftain has a good video about the Panther, mentioning that fact.
Be mud
like to harden in all the cracks and crevices
moisture expand below freezing
Be Panther
have touchy final drives
have frozen caked on mud close gaps
tracks being lifted out of the grove
need to break it loose
crew too lazy to scrape ice
step on gas harder than normal to overcome resistance
do this many times
snap gear tooth
get into ice pick fight with Russian tank crew whose IS-T series tank is on its weekly breakdown
A couple of others, specific to foreign Panthers:
-Due to low numbers in service, only four Panther ‘Dauphines’ may spawn per match.
-Due to wartime sabotage, components of the Panther ‘Dauphine’ have a chance to randomly fail.
-Due to shortage of parts, some components cannot be repaired or replaced, and others take longer to repair.
-Due to low numbers in service, only two T-Vs may be spawned per match. This number increases to three per match if the player is Romanian (a number were handed off to Romania by the Soviets for their post-war military to use).
-Due to shortage of parts, some components cannot be repaired or replaced, and others take longer to repair.
panther: *exists*
anything related to reliability: I have decided that, I want to die
Panther G’s transmission and engine: i have decided that i want to be alive
0:34 Or simply a governor that holds the engine reving at max RPM, very common in every military vehicle, even today !
Not really relevant..
For the corollary of engine wear, i do agree but only half ! Why ? Maybach engines were known to be really reliable ! And tank engine were designed (still today) to be ran at max power output all the time ! (most of it)
Even if spare parts were scarce, maintenance was pretty easy compared to some other tanks.. turret was spacious as well as the hull part.. only transmission install and repair were tedious, this counter balance the longer repair times !
Rest is indeed correct !
Panther was an amazing piece of technology (back then)
On the early Panthers the production was so rushed that most of the vehicles broke down after a little time. They perfected the Panther though, but the last variant was deployed in late 1944, too late in the war
If the match reaches a certain length, all Panthers switch to the French team
"Due to lack of spare parts, Panthers cannot repair some broken components"
*Shows a panther fallen off a bridge on its side*
This Tank in one Word:
*Fire*
Now, in three:
FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!!!
@@ARCCommanderOrar Spy be like
"I do believe to be on fire"
With the part of your videos you put "Cannot repair some broken components". I think it would be cool to have a small list of some of the components that couldn't be repaired to show an example.But love you vids man.
@ 2:40 - "Hans, we have discovered a way to put an engine transmission on a turret."
HANS: oh no
Can you do one for the panzer 3?? It’s one of the main work horses so they must have a lot of information regarding their qualities and disadvantages
1:13 the fact roadwheels are completely immune to damage in-game is mildly annoying.
Same but at least I don't loose mobility if some one shoots them
Player: I will play as a Panther!
Panther: I don't think I will.
Just wanna let you know I just discovered your vids last night and you motivated me to reinstall WT after a 3 year hiatus from it. Thanks bruv
I never playing this game, but all of the videos about it just entertaining, because from my perspective, F2P game's community is different to how make a topic about their game, because sometime they have much time to playing and understanding the game itself.
also your video is short and to the point also making it more better.
Final drives was improved many times, but never solved. Avg life time of a good final drive was around 800-1800 km.(Panther A late, Panther G)
1:39 as you can see here, the panther is resting on its natural habitat
I once had a Wehraboo annoying me as he kept on arguing that the Panther's Interleaved roadwheels and torsion bar suspension were not overengineered and were far more reliable than the Sherman's roadwheels and suspension. Despite me submitting evidence showing the opposite he kept on ignoring me. Even claimed that an AT mine would easily destroy an M4 outright but only slightly damage a Panther's torsion bar, (which he also claimed were super easy to repair).
(Torsion bar suspensions as a whole are not unreliable, when properly maintained and if the vehicle itself is reliable then the Torsion bar suspension is fantastic, that was not the case with the German tanks as their torsion bar suspensions were different to most and were fairly complicated, which made them more prone to failures than a standard torsion bar suspension).
Tbf there were some panthers that made it to 5000km without needing and overhaul so I feel it's a mixed batch fuck up on some of the manufactures
I'm not sure exactly how ethical it is to quote people on things they haven't said but I like the videos either way.
1:31 You’re going to need way more than spare parts to get that Panther running.
The Panther is an absolute Monster in WT, but In real life its just a tuna-can shaped tank with a turret.
I dont see how it was tuna can shaped, but ok
a turret with a gun that could clap any allied tank from over a mile away
@@CrazyDutchguyswehraboo spotted
The panther was rare to encounter as was the tiger, while Shermans were a dime a dozen. As for it’s turret, it had slow traverse and was not impervious to frontal attack. There were a number of tanks that could withstand a hit from a Panther.
@@paraphidd From my understanding of multiple sources, the Panzer 3 and 4s were rare as well in mid to late war as well, on record being as few as 1 Panzer 4 per 100 shermans or t-34s
Yeah, so bad that soviet secret services had to hide numbers from Stalin !
Due to the lack of spare parts, parts are gathered from destroyed Tanks.
This includes the destroyed player Tanks, as well as Set piece Tanks.
The closer the other tank is, the shorter the repair time gets.
Love the halo music in the back round mate
Well that is what thorough research looks like. Congratulations, if I was in Gaijin I would hire you. *If*
If the Panther was historically accurate, you'd better run and hide to repair and hope the repair doesn't last long enough for the mud to freeze on Stalingrad.
1:40 Hans, get ze spare cannon jah!
I love how in every video, he is like, look at all those defaults on them, might as well not play war thunder because guess what? Most of the tanks would break down mid match!
The Panther II had some other difference that made it simmilar to the Tiger for ease of production. Like the suspension and wheels were the same as the tiger's. There were plans to add a 88mm gun instead of the 75, and the Panther II turret was actually made. The configuration that you present in the video is the earlier proposed version of the panther II because soviet anti tank rifles could penetrate the panther. This version was never made because the problem of weak side armour was solved by adding side skirts instead. The Later panther II project was made to be simmilar to the tiger ans share parts with it, have a 88mm gun and have a new turret.
Don’t forget that crap steel later in the war would cause the hull to shatter when hit with HE.
Or just hullbreak(turret cracked by 3 sherman HE rounds) and hullbroken on the ufp by 17pdr ap
2:07 it's 700hp, not 650. Idk details but seems to be the Tiger H1/Panther D 650hp engine but upgraded. This 100hp drop from the A to the G/F makes me wish they were at the same BR as the A. Yeah the turret armor is a bit better but it's rotation is also slower.
Pretty sure the Panther at 1:31 just got tired and wanted to take a nap.
The panther F has a stabiliser?
Mandatory Gaijin pwease
So basically, in game:
- a Panther II that simply has thicker armour, at 6.0
- should have a slower acceleration and top speed
- Panther F should have a stabilizer
- Panthers should have weaker tracks
- Panthers should have a slightly longer repair time
I love my Panthers, the armour is insane, the firepower is superb and the mobility keeps up somehow. I think it'd be much more balanced with these changes.
Hey spooks, I wonder when you're gonna do a gameplay series on WT
you forgot to mention how you will always be in a full downtier unless using the french panther
If every ww2 tank was historically accurate : random engine fires
If panther was accurate in warthunder : *Transmission breaks every 5 minutes*
I've been literally waiting for this
WOW, 39 seconds after publication :)
Final drives were significantly improved since late A models. Frozen mud making tank stuck is a myth. There is no single service note regarding both Tiger and Panther having this issue.
Gunner sight is permanently zoomed in
You have a catch-22: you cannot make vehicles balanced, historically accurate, and timeline-accurate in respect to other tanks at the same time.
The way I see it they should put the panther 2 back in the game to make it available for everyone to research again, because 6.7 Germany needs a medium tank. And remake the panther F, because its inferior to the G and A model, it should at least have the panther 2s up armored hull, with a stabilize but everything else should be the same. So same gun as the old panthers and such. Even make it a 6.3 tank with the upgrades
And on a side note Gijian model the damn drivers port on the Stug 3, and put in the game the concrete varint of the Stug as well.
if stabilised gun sights were a thing in war thinder the amx 30 line would be beasts. On that note can you do one the amx 30s please :)
Hey Spooks, how ya doing?
(I had to say this because last time it got deleted...)
Conclusion: "Make more spare parts for Panzer IVs"
>Panther with stabilizer
Now that is a fucking good reason to play something other than Panther A
Stabilized _gun sight.*_ Not a stabilized _gun._
If war thunder was realistic, there’d be a lot more problems but also a lot more fun
Finally. Something ive been waiting for
I feel like I can’t ever pen this thing while playing the Americans
Yay! Waited quite a bit for this one!
What sound mods do you use for the crew voices?
It would be nice if you could link them in description since they're pretty cool.
If, P1000 Ratte was historically accurate.
If the P1000 Ratte was historically accurate it would be two dimensional.
That thing with fires and transmission/ Final drive was a bigger Problem on ausf D and A. They were just rushed in combat, before they should have faced it. The G solved many of these problems. A vet of the Hermann Göring Panzer Division Who was in a Panther for over 6 months told me, that tracks were their biggest Problem. Due to poor steel quality, these broke very often. I know that Wikipedia tells you different , but i Think a veteran is a reliable source.
Final drive after 150km: *My Time Has Come*
I WAS CHOSEN BY HEAVEN
@Hans Blitzkrieg damn you are really determined to make the Panther seem like a reliable tank. Reliability of German transmissions went out as soon as the Pz 4 F2 dropped.
@@_lordtachanka_2314 Mmmh interesting angry alliboos this video is funny bcuz 60% of it is fake source and 40% is right🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@ali_ing069 being an allieboo is a better thing then being a wehraboo. Why should I take a stand for the people that killed millions for no reason? And no,this information is correct. You are the wrong one here. German transmissions were overcomplicated and underpowered for a heavy vehicle like a Panther or tiger ll. If your tank breaks down or catches fire before even reaching the front,it's a bad tank,and then it's more of an oversized pillbox than a tank.
Yo was that knocked out barrel... R A Y T R A C E D???
it just boils down to
"AGH my transmission"
You see this panther 2?
Gaijin: no where?
this series is just a few facts about a tank being a subject, literally game part can be excluded and we'll be left with the same thing except images from the game
If the Panther II should be introduced in a historically acurate fashion, I would put it at 6.3 at the same place T-44 is. Both would be very mobile with extreamly well protected hulls but with rather weak turret protection and weapons carried over from the previous generation of vehicles. So I think that would be fair.
The Panther II’s UFP armor wouldn’t block most shells at 6.3 iirc.
Heres the thing all tanks and i mean ALL TANKS were prone to breakdowns, fires and malfunctions its a flaw of designs in production but in the end the panther was a very well made tank
Yes, all tanks risk breakdowns and malfunctions. That is true. The problem is when certain vehicle designs experience breakdowns and malfunctions _more often_ and with there being more difficulty to _correct_ the malfunction or breakdown. Panthers were complicated vehicles which were notoriously hard to maintain effectively in a war zone, which is a legitimate flaw in its design.
@@bluntcabbage6042 true
If a huge HE round can wreck this tank, imagine what HESH can do to this tank.
It can be hullbroken on the turret with 3 75mm he round orbin the ufp by multiple(not sure how many) 17pdr ap
A stabilized gun site for the F would make it worth playing. I have the Panther II already and use the A at 5.7. When I did play the F it felt underwhelming.
Imagine turning your turret and causing an engine fire
It's a novelty feature that would wear thin pretty quickly I suspect
0:13 wait, so its a lie that the panther 2 was going to have an 8.8cm gun and a different turret?
yes
snail, just give us a panther ii with the thickened panther hull armor, the turm panther ii (schmale blende), and the 75 l/70 and we'd be all happy
Good addition. One thing that I always struggled to understand, though: the roadwheels freezing over. Not just in this tank, but in many others. How can frozen mud immobilise a vehicle that has enough horsepower to tow 45 tons behind it?
You understimate how hard and thick mud can get on frozen maps
@@h5skb4ru41 The Panther's powertrain is capable of moving a 45 t vehicle while towing another 45 t behind it, that is why I have a tough time comprehending it.
It's funny, I actually have most of the books you cited :y
Can you do a similar video for the strv series of tanks?
panther on its side at 1:31 be like: "just fucking kill me"
Bro tell me what mod or whatewer is this what is that thing that gives you soo cool crew sound? I will be thankfull :)
You know, I've always wondered, if the majority of German aircraft utilized mechanical fuel injection, then why not create a derivative for the tank Maybach V12s? I assume cost was a huge factor... after all, by the time the DB605 was released, bearings and other critical internal components had been downgraded to the point that the engines were horrendously unreliable and dangerous until later rectified... so I guess the same issue plagued Maybach's tank engine design. They probably really wanted to make an engine that would last forever and be reliable, and, the extreme difficulty of maintenance points towards the engineers originally intending for that to be the case, but I suppose we'll never know now.
If the Panthers cannon barrel was historically accurate it would interact with its environment. (It wouldn't be able to magically pass through buildings and trees) All tanks in the game suffer from this. Strangely enough all their barrels react to being shot?!?
yo if reliability was worked into the game all the german late war tanks would drop so much haha
How would you feel about ww1 tanks and planes added to the game?
PLEASE
fucking boring. The planes would be even slower than the biplanes we have already. And the tanks would be garbage as most of them only had LMG's or howitzers and cant go over 14km/h
That is impossible because those tanks were never meant to fight each other at all. They were specifically designed to cross trenches and kill infantry. And ww1 planes were just horrible in all aspects.