So, according to the devblog, the Obstacle Clearance Blade is just going to end up being another entrenching dozer blade... What a missed opportunity. source: warthunder.com/en/news/8448-development-leopard-2-pso-urban-warfare-tactics-en
@@thetwistedone05 yes like that Sherman with large clearing blade, tho that thing looks more like a bulldozet at that point, but it would be nice having some lower tier dozer at like 5.7 or lower, lowest br dozer is AVRE or that russian artylery if I remember correctly
Man i love this kind of content from you, covering some back ground about tanks and such. Especially your personal experiences with tanks. Love to see more!
From what I remember the tracks are getting brighter on thermal vision when the tank is moving a lot in War Thunder, also the barrel gets hotter when you shoot :D
two small corrections The PSO did kinda start of as a 2A6, or more exactly it used the hull of the 2A6EX DEMO II with the turret of a 2A5. The engine deck and rear design also predates the PSO entirely. It didnt got changed because of urban combat, but because of the different installation of the Europowerpack that was trialed in the DEMO II compared to the standard engine of Leopard 2
Interestingly the commander sights are also on the PUMA and the gun was the first to have the programmable DM11 and was later turned into the L55A1. The PSO later went on and the PSO VT was built, this vehicle had similar upgrades but the L55 due to time constraints.
On the forum, some players have submitted a bug report. The materials they submitted indicates that Leopard2 PSO demonstrator is based on the Leopard2a6EX, which means the base hull armor utilizes D tech composition, giving it KE protection of 600-650 depending on where it's hit. a5s and some older a6s use tech C composition, which is also the ones currently in the game. Contrary to what people tend to think, the L44 barrel is not locked to a5s, PSO variant chose to swap the L55 for L44 specifically for urban operations.
1:19 the pso was actually built on a 2A6, but they put in an L/44 to navigate urban environments better and practically every other difference between the A5 and A6 was upgraded from the A6 anyways
As someone who speaks hungarian,the hungarian crew is accurate,except the target destroyed voice,it sais the same thing as when hit,but a bit different,its decent
So attaching a tow cable and pushing a vehicle makes it easier, so blades should automatically do that and i think it should make drive through buildings, tree’s and other obstacles easier, and im not 100% sure if it does or not but it’s basically spaced armor against HEAT and really should be able to stop it completely
The Leopard 2 ( 10:00 ) has also a wrong lever at the hatched. Im a Gunner/loader in the Lopard 2A4. The Lever should be on the loader side and not the commander side. Annoys me a bit since I always fought great battles with that stupid lever to get the hatched closed so I can lock the hatchet. And ofc yes, the Lopard 2A4 is missing the tools :C
Thing about the hungarian Leopard 2A4, they were bought to be training vehicles, the actal MBT intended for service is the Leopard 2A7HU. Also the voice lines are spoken by actual hungarian, still cringe to hear them as a hungarian. 1- i'm not used to hearing hungarian in video games, 2- i'm fairly sure they use the wrong terminology
it looks cool but I wish they had given us a better Leo 2 variant or at least one with the hull armor like the strv122 like they could’ve just done the leo2a6ex
9:59 Greetings to you. little info for you. Unfortunately, the devs won't move in your direction, other CCs have already tried it and were then simply referred to the forum, Gaijin would be more interested if you put their brand more in the spotlight, if you understand what I mean, Gaijin mostly stays in their ranks and usually only let in long-term friends, for example, Oxy and the other fool, I prefer to work with the community on this so that they get more votes/pressure towards Gaijin
If I know correctly though 8 may be wrong but the Abrams, God bless it and its peace making operations, doesn't raise its barrel to reload because it is already spacious inside.
It really is a great tank. So plain looking, but very capable. One of the few tanks that insists on a loader being present, something I appreciate very much.
@@benpurcell4935 ahh look at us being so special and different, wait even the leclerc, the most advanced western tank, raises its barrel even with its autoloader?
Hello , I watch your chanell for a while and really like your videos , so I have a question ! Can you make an intresting story when you were a commander on a leperd? Greatings from Bulgaria!
Every day, I wait for any of the Leo 2 CANs, like the 2A4 CAN, 2A4M CAN, and 2A6M CAN for britiain. I really like our Canadian 2A4Ms and 2A6Ms with the Barracuda thermal covers and Slat armour that we had in Afghanistan. We also took soviet mine clearing attachments and put them in our Leos in Afghan aswell, it looks wierd but also good at the same time.
You had the Barracuda covers in Afghanistan? We received one of these systems when we were supplied with the new 2A7Vs. Didn't know they were already field-tested, thought those are really new. Huh.
@@hunter_0221 Yea, it's pretty cool. We put them on our 2A6Ms and 2A4Ms specifically for Afghanistan, though we took them off when we had our withdrawal from Afghanistan, so we don't have them in Canada sadly
Interesting video, I didn't know anything about this Leopard variant, so this filled any gaps in my knowledge. I wonder tho, how do you get so much gold on the dev server? I have read, that you can only get gold by buying it on the actual game server. I always wanted to test drive a lot of locked vehicles/aircraft, but of course I can't do it without gold. And seeing this ridiculous amout just makes me wonder :D
Greetings from the home of the Leopard, good thing to see that our tanks are so popular. Sadly the german crew voices have a lot of errors in them (Like calling planes "Fighters", in german they are "Hunters")
Oh, didn't know you used to train on the Leo 2's in singapore! I have a friend who really wants to sign on for armour to drive or crew a tank. Any tips for him to avoid armoured infrantry? (AI) 🤣
Hungarian voicelines are decent, but a bit half-assed... It does miss quite a fev things to say. That version of the KF-41 is not the same that is used by the HDF. Wrong turret. Putting a T-90 into the british tech tree feels beyond wrong. India was already independent for a long time when they bought that tanks license from Russia.
Loading position or "Gun salute" isnt something that the Abrams does because the gun sits lower in the turret. I believe the manual loader has something to do do with it to. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me
Looking at the interior of the two, the Leopard definitely seems to have the breech located more centrally in the turret, so the available space for loading is more limited than in the Abrams. But then I've got no personal experience on M1s to know for sure
Now that I know that you can depress the gun over the engine, it will annoy me a lot more. Like the damn useless Minenbecher on the Tiger H1. Either give my a dumb gimmick tool to kill milk trucks around corners, or let me unscrew them, dammit.
I speak hungarian, and the crew voices, are correct, nothing special tho, they say the same as the brits (and probably other tech trees too, but I don't speak their lenguages/ I don't play the usa)
There's tough moments for sure, but also it's not too bad overall. There's basic, trades courses (driver, loader, gunner) then command school (Officer or NCO school) after. If you can make it through that, you'll do alright. :)
@@Vegemite_Warriortanking is pretty cool, just don't let your PT suffer. It helps if you're under 6'0 as well. Lol one of our loaders was a guy who was 6'3. He was. A great loader, and he fit pretty well because the Abrams is VERY spacious as far as tanks go. Generally you'll start as the driver, then loader (if applicable), gunner, finally TC (tank commander). American crews are able to request 9mms, make sure you request one no matter where you go. Keep it on your shoulder/chest and have a few mags. Watched some guys have to bail once, and they didn't have time to grab gear or rifles. The loader had a 9mm on his shoulder that he didn't need to think about carrying with him.
Because of the blow-out panels? Umm... maybe. There's an additional panel under the weapon station so it's possible the roof panel was replaced but that's something I really don't know anything about.
I’ve got a question in real life how good are the thermals on the leopard 2 variants because I think they are a whole lot better then 1st gen I think all leopard 2s should have at least 2nd gen am I right?
@@PanzerPaw i knew you were a leo commander from another vid of yours, but your english is so perfect it never occured to me you could be asian o: i always thought native speaker
The Singaporeans have a 100+ leopards, while we Malaysia are still stuck with under 50 t72s, aka one of the worst modern mass produced MBTs by some experts. Where did it all go wrong.....
@@Canadian_sheepYeah like the freccia is ok since it has different Spikes...but the Lynx has literally the same Spikes as the Puma, Germany literally bought the tech from Rafael ADS to develope those for the Puma and gaijin said "fuck off"...
I'm pretty concerned about those arrow head shape turret what is the tank bounce and the round goes straight to the driver or the crew in the turret tho it's think that's one of the flaw of that shape
Yes, the term is called "shot traps"; any part of the tank that deflects shots into itself. In reality, it's not that big of a concern for the A5/A6 arrowhead since it's mean to dissipate HEAT. KE ammo still goes through. But that's where tactics come into play. It's much harder to hit a tank on a ridgeline and using terrain effectively.
The point of the armour is that if a APFSDS round hits it, it will be disturbed from its flight orientation by spaced armour, and impact that actual turret armour at an angle other than in line with its own force. This will promote the penetrator to shatter, rather than penetrate. Against old style AP, I don’t believe that the spaced armour is thick enough to actually cause such shells to deflect. However, even if it did? What does it matter? No one uses AP, APC, APCBC any more, and no one is going to develop it for a modern gun, on the off chance they have to face off against a Leopard 2, and in the ridiculous hope that they can get a shot off into the underside of the turret, at just the right angle that the shell deflects into the upper hull, and hopefully penetrates. That’s a lot of maybes, ifs, ands, buts, and far flung hopes, to make a shell for.
So, according to the devblog, the Obstacle Clearance Blade is just going to end up being another entrenching dozer blade... What a missed opportunity.
source: warthunder.com/en/news/8448-development-leopard-2-pso-urban-warfare-tactics-en
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they could have made it that if you use it as dozer blade in can get damaged while doing so
to be honest, i didnt expect anything else
gaijins stupidity
Is it gonna be removable?
You missed one thing, the PSO has a powerpack that gives it an extra 175hp to nullify the extra weight gained by the armor
3:05 We call it a Räumschild, which roughly translates to just means "clearing shield". I would like to see them added to tanks like the M48 aswell.
I would also love to see some WWII tanks with dozers/clearence blade
@@MCZGStudio They ad so much character to the vehicles
@@thetwistedone05 yes like that Sherman with large clearing blade, tho that thing looks more like a bulldozet at that point, but it would be nice having some lower tier dozer at like 5.7 or lower, lowest br dozer is AVRE or that russian artylery if I remember correctly
Man i love this kind of content from you, covering some back ground about tanks and such. Especially your personal experiences with tanks. Love to see more!
As a fello Singaporean, I’m proud to hear that u have been a commander on our tank! :)
For one moment, the way you formulated that sentence made me think that in the whole of Singapore there is just ONE tank for the army 😂
From what I remember the tracks are getting brighter on thermal vision when the tank is moving a lot in War Thunder, also the barrel gets hotter when you shoot :D
two small corrections
The PSO did kinda start of as a 2A6, or more exactly it used the hull of the 2A6EX DEMO II with the turret of a 2A5.
The engine deck and rear design also predates the PSO entirely. It didnt got changed because of urban combat, but because of the different installation of the Europowerpack that was trialed in the DEMO II compared to the standard engine of Leopard 2
I think Leopard 2 PSO should have been a modification of Leopard 2 A5.
It's possible, I guess. But it's a pretty modification unlike add-on armour since it's got so much more to do.
@@PanzerPaw than more of a folder tank?
It is a upgraded 2a5
germany needs more top tier MBTs lol
@@Kabir911this 100% should be a folder leopard 2A5
Interestingly the commander sights are also on the PUMA and the gun was the first to have the programmable DM11 and was later turned into the L55A1.
The PSO later went on and the PSO VT was built, this vehicle had similar upgrades but the L55 due to time constraints.
On the forum, some players have submitted a bug report. The materials they submitted indicates that Leopard2 PSO demonstrator is based on the Leopard2a6EX, which means the base hull armor utilizes D tech composition, giving it KE protection of 600-650 depending on where it's hit.
a5s and some older a6s use tech C composition, which is also the ones currently in the game.
Contrary to what people tend to think, the L44 barrel is not locked to a5s, PSO variant chose to swap the L55 for L44 specifically for urban operations.
Hi paw, I’m Hungarian and yess it’s correct, and itt say the tank/gun ready to fire, love to see you play with the hungarian leopard
I’ve just realised that Singapore people exist and all the people there aren’t only tourists
And in true army fashion, being a tank driver doesn't mean you get the driving license. :P
Why aren't there more subs for you, your videos are high quality and enjoyable ❤
1:19 the pso was actually built on a 2A6, but they put in an L/44 to navigate urban environments better and practically every other difference between the A5 and A6 was upgraded from the A6 anyways
2:22 "Defence against..."
Me: "The dark arts?"
Paw: "Rocket propelled grenades."
:(
Funfact: the Dev got a Update befor it closed, now you can remove the Dozerblade and also use it like a normal Dozerblade
As someone who speaks hungarian,the hungarian crew is accurate,except the target destroyed voice,it sais the same thing as when hit,but a bit different,its decent
15:13 No dont fix it. Make it a Casemate! CASEMATE IFV!
So attaching a tow cable and pushing a vehicle makes it easier, so blades should automatically do that and i think it should make drive through buildings, tree’s and other obstacles easier, and im not 100% sure if it does or not but it’s basically spaced armor against HEAT and really should be able to stop it completely
The Leopard 2 ( 10:00 ) has also a wrong lever at the hatched. Im a Gunner/loader in the Lopard 2A4. The Lever should be on the loader side and not the commander side.
Annoys me a bit since I always fought great battles with that stupid lever to get the hatched closed so I can lock the hatchet.
And ofc yes, the Lopard 2A4 is missing the tools :C
Time to ahem show some totally un classified documents about the leopard
Former Abrams Gunner and Bradley Commander here
Thing about the hungarian Leopard 2A4, they were bought to be training vehicles, the actal MBT intended for service is the Leopard 2A7HU.
Also the voice lines are spoken by actual hungarian, still cringe to hear them as a hungarian. 1- i'm not used to hearing hungarian in video games, 2- i'm fairly sure they use the wrong terminology
4:09 - So like a snow plow?
it looks cool but I wish they had given us a better Leo 2 variant or at least one with the hull armor like the strv122 like they could’ve just done the leo2a6ex
So the blade is essentially a plow like you’d use for snow for example. Not for digging. Interesting
Yes. For removing objects, not dirt.
Great vid loved learning some new things I probably wouldn’t have noticed or cared to figure out myself 👍🏽‼️
how many years did you serve as a tanker and can you make a story vid about something you've experienced?
9:59 Greetings to you. little info for you. Unfortunately, the devs won't move in your direction, other CCs have already tried it and were then simply referred to the forum, Gaijin would be more interested if you put their brand more in the spotlight, if you understand what I mean, Gaijin mostly stays in their ranks and usually only let in long-term friends, for example, Oxy and the other fool, I prefer to work with the community on this so that they get more votes/pressure towards Gaijin
PSO also includes the shortened L/44 Barrel which i think you knew but just forgot to mention . great video
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If I know correctly though 8 may be wrong but the Abrams, God bless it and its peace making operations, doesn't raise its barrel to reload because it is already spacious inside.
You’re right the Abrams is the only NATO tank not to do it.
It really is a great tank. So plain looking, but very capable. One of the few tanks that insists on a loader being present, something I appreciate very much.
@@benpurcell4935 ahh look at us being so special and different, wait even the leclerc, the most advanced western tank, raises its barrel even with its autoloader?
Alright. Slightly more armored Leopard 2 is very nice :O thx for the info
No problem!
This is not an upgraded 2a5, it is a 2a6ex demo 2 hull. The turret is an upgraded 2a5 turret.
every tech tree will have a t80/90 soon
You can turn off the stabilizer, there's a keybind for it
Hello , I watch your chanell for a while and really like your videos , so I have a question ! Can you make an intresting story when you were a commander on a leperd? Greatings from Bulgaria!
That JagdKF41 be looking dope
lmao
i dont know if you have made a strategy guide or not but id you havent, it would be awesome if you did.
wait YOU WERE A LEO 2A4 COMMANDER? WHAT WHAT WHAT
Every day, I wait for any of the Leo 2 CANs, like the 2A4 CAN, 2A4M CAN, and 2A6M CAN for britiain. I really like our Canadian 2A4Ms and 2A6Ms with the Barracuda thermal covers and Slat armour that we had in Afghanistan. We also took soviet mine clearing attachments and put them in our Leos in Afghan aswell, it looks wierd but also good at the same time.
You had the Barracuda covers in Afghanistan? We received one of these systems when we were supplied with the new 2A7Vs. Didn't know they were already field-tested, thought those are really new. Huh.
@@hunter_0221 Yea, it's pretty cool. We put them on our 2A6Ms and 2A4Ms specifically for Afghanistan, though we took them off when we had our withdrawal from Afghanistan, so we don't have them in Canada sadly
Interesting video, I didn't know anything about this Leopard variant, so this filled any gaps in my knowledge.
I wonder tho, how do you get so much gold on the dev server? I have read, that you can only get gold by buying it on the actual game server. I always wanted to test drive a lot of locked vehicles/aircraft, but of course I can't do it without gold. And seeing this ridiculous amout just makes me wonder :D
3 years im waiting for a new leopard and what i get it? I got a downgrade Leopard 2A6!
Greetings from the home of the Leopard, good thing to see that our tanks are so popular. Sadly the german crew voices have a lot of errors in them (Like calling planes "Fighters", in german they are "Hunters")
Or calling SPGs „air defense position“ 💀
Yeah it is hungarian, they said they are ready, the crew.
Sqaud leopard 2 commander
hey, what do you think? should italy (and of course germany) recive the recently delivered hungarian leopard 2a7HU or it is too modern for the game?
I think it'll eventually come to the game. Ground BRs will one day go above 12.0 so there's always room for more modern tanks.
thanks a lot gaijin.. I already have the 2 A6, and the TOP SPAA for the german tree, now I have to grind the top tier again..
They should make it so that the dozer blade makes you not slow down, or less when passings through destroyable objects.
Oh, didn't know you used to train on the Leo 2's in singapore!
I have a friend who really wants to sign on for armour to drive or crew a tank. Any tips for him to avoid armoured infrantry? (AI) 🤣
If he's signing on, make sure he insists that he wants tank ONLY. Or he'll get AI.
Hungarian voicelines are decent, but a bit half-assed...
It does miss quite a fev things to say.
That version of the KF-41 is not the same that is used by the HDF.
Wrong turret.
Putting a T-90 into the british tech tree feels beyond wrong.
India was already independent for a long time when they bought that tanks license from Russia.
the pso shares the same front hull and back turret of the :Strv122plss
Pls leak classified documents
The hungarian a4 is just a training vehicle, just a couple of them were delivered from germany before they are going to deliver the a7’s.
Ah yes the LEO ATT (ANTI TOYOTA TECHNICAL)
you can turnoff the stabilizer
You forgot the French leclerc AZUR 😢
did you fight in any real life battles in the leopard
Can you give us classified documents for reality of game?
bro casually plays with a 370 ping
Yeah I'm used to it lol. Almost everything doesn't have servers near me so...
@@PanzerPaw That sucks, for me anything over 200 is impossible to play 🤯
@@PanzerPawrelatable, I play from Thailand so constantly 270 ping, hello from the neighborhood!
Loading position or "Gun salute" isnt something that the Abrams does because the gun sits lower in the turret. I believe the manual loader has something to do do with it to.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me
Looking at the interior of the two, the Leopard definitely seems to have the breech located more centrally in the turret, so the available space for loading is more limited than in the Abrams. But then I've got no personal experience on M1s to know for sure
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Now that I know that you can depress the gun over the engine, it will annoy me a lot more.
Like the damn useless Minenbecher on the Tiger H1. Either give my a dumb gimmick tool to kill milk trucks around corners, or let me unscrew them, dammit.
BRUH i just died to this shyt yesterday XD doesnt help theyre exactly where you wanna angle..................
You're telling German engineering is so op that it needs a giant fan to stop the cpu from cooking
Damn if only infantry was in the game. May actually have some use.
ok ok this channel needs mroe subs wtf i love how he knows all the shit im subbing bruh xD
The buggy turret of the IFV made it a swedish tank!
Classified document time
is the update out?
But the real question is: Do you have any classified documents to post on the forums? I heard the devs love that :P
Can't wait for Leo 2A7, especially with Trophy :D
and i was hoping for some more classified info ....
I speak hungarian, and the crew voices, are correct, nothing special tho, they say the same as the brits (and probably other tech trees too, but I don't speak their lenguages/ I don't play the usa)
yeah, those are the hungarian voices in the hungarian 2a4
Wait, are you Singaporean? I always thought you were Australian?
I speak hungarian and they said driver ready and all the same things
now we are waiting for the Leopard 2A7HU for the Italians :D
WAIT YOU ARE FROM SINGAPORE?!
yes
didn't know your country bought leopards from my country's army lol
How hard is it being a tanker, i want to be one.
There's tough moments for sure, but also it's not too bad overall. There's basic, trades courses (driver, loader, gunner) then command school (Officer or NCO school) after. If you can make it through that, you'll do alright. :)
@@PanzerPawok, it sounds like I will have a great time when I am finally old enough to join the ADF in 3 years:)
@@Vegemite_Warriortanking is pretty cool, just don't let your PT suffer. It helps if you're under 6'0 as well. Lol one of our loaders was a guy who was 6'3. He was. A great loader, and he fit pretty well because the Abrams is VERY spacious as far as tanks go. Generally you'll start as the driver, then loader (if applicable), gunner, finally TC (tank commander). American crews are able to request 9mms, make sure you request one no matter where you go. Keep it on your shoulder/chest and have a few mags. Watched some guys have to bail once, and they didn't have time to grab gear or rifles. The loader had a 9mm on his shoulder that he didn't need to think about carrying with him.
Wait a sec i die knew that ur were an leopard Tank kommander but in wich country?
What military did you serve in?
Singapore. All info's in my channel's About section
@@PanzerPaw love your content btw
Leopard 2E when?
In short, this is designed to hate stock players
On the real tank wouldn’t the remote weapon station be jettisoned when the ammo is hit?
Because of the blow-out panels? Umm... maybe. There's an additional panel under the weapon station so it's possible the roof panel was replaced but that's something I really don't know anything about.
I’ve got a question in real life how good are the thermals on the leopard 2 variants because I think they are a whole lot better then 1st gen I think all leopard 2s should have at least 2nd gen am I right?
Wait, is he from Singapore or Somewhere else, and he was just a foreign volunteer?
Why would I be a foreign volunteer?
@@PanzerPaw idk
@@PanzerPawYour English is really good you sound like a native speaker is probably why he thought you could be a foreign volunteer
@@PanzerPaw i knew you were a leo commander from another vid of yours, but your english is so perfect it never occured to me you could be asian o: i always thought native speaker
how do you have 3million gold eagles
The Hungarian crew voices are correct.
Should review the Strv 122B PLSS
You are from Singapore?
The Singaporeans have a 100+ leopards, while we Malaysia are still stuck with under 50 t72s, aka one of the worst modern mass produced MBTs by some experts. Where did it all go wrong.....
Ручной Противотанковый Гранатомёт, Ruchnoy Protivotankovy Granatomyot handheld anti-tank grenade launcher, so not rocket propelled granade.
Does the German Puma IFV get Spikes now?
Not in the Dev server sadly, don’t think we’ll get spikes this update. But the KF41 gets them, great decisions from Gaijin.
@@Canadian_sheepYeah like the freccia is ok since it has different Spikes...but the Lynx has literally the same Spikes as the Puma, Germany literally bought the tech from Rafael ADS to develope those for the Puma and gaijin said "fuck off"...
What the hell bro is a leopard commander
What are the weak points
I'm pretty concerned about those arrow head shape turret what is the tank bounce and the round goes straight to the driver or the crew in the turret tho it's think that's one of the flaw of that shape
dude these APFSDS are extremely fast and is really strong dont think they can bounce easily
Yes, the term is called "shot traps"; any part of the tank that deflects shots into itself. In reality, it's not that big of a concern for the A5/A6 arrowhead since it's mean to dissipate HEAT. KE ammo still goes through. But that's where tactics come into play. It's much harder to hit a tank on a ridgeline and using terrain effectively.
@@pheaktra_ yeah probably not but if it is it's still extremely dangerous cuz some Leo have ammo storage at the front of the tank
@@PanzerPaw ahhh thanks
The point of the armour is that if a APFSDS round hits it, it will be disturbed from its flight orientation by spaced armour, and impact that actual turret armour at an angle other than in line with its own force. This will promote the penetrator to shatter, rather than penetrate.
Against old style AP, I don’t believe that the spaced armour is thick enough to actually cause such shells to deflect. However, even if it did? What does it matter? No one uses AP, APC, APCBC any more, and no one is going to develop it for a modern gun, on the off chance they have to face off against a Leopard 2, and in the ridiculous hope that they can get a shot off into the underside of the turret, at just the right angle that the shell deflects into the upper hull, and hopefully penetrates. That’s a lot of maybes, ifs, ands, buts, and far flung hopes, to make a shell for.
why you using german cross on Leopard 2 PL???
Because he can?
@@rockerscum but he shoudnt its a POLISH weacle
@@radekgames7584 stick your nationalism somewhere where the sun doesn't shine... Freedom and liberty of choice > anything else
Pacific Singapour Operations.