Note: A couple of days ago Porsche announced an over-the-air update to their infotainment that includes adding Android Auto to the Taycan. The Taycan already had some of this system in place so it's unclear how many of our gripes will be addressed when it arrives. Also we are aware that the Model S Plaid is price comparable to this. It wasn't shipping when we reviewed this car and we can only do one car at a time. We'll be happy to check out the Plaid when/if we can. Porsche made it easier by offering short-term rentals.
I just gotta say, the level of quality we are getting from LTT's team is just getting insane. I remember the days, with the room watercooling projet, the content was great before, don't get me wrong but man, I'm impressed.
Gotta give LMG props, at least when they test a car at spirited speeds they do it at a local race track. Love having Mission Raceway Park be so local for some fun once in a while.
@@LinusTechTips agreed, I've done the Friday Night Street Legal Drags there a lot, helps I'm just on the other side of the Mission Bridge, low price for a lot of fun on a Friday night lemme tell ya.
I work at VWGOA and work closely with infotainment teams. I will be passing this video onto them if they’re not already getting it from non-IT business teams. Thanks Linus, love watching your channel.
While you are at it the ergonomics of getting the phone into the charger pocket sucks. I get what they were trying to do "don't use ur phone while driving lol" But making it less convenient to get into and out of your car is such an ass-backward way of thinking it blew my mind.
Why you keep using those shitty (in terms of graphics performance) real-time OSes for touchscreens? Just have a separate computer running RTOS for anything vital, and on tablets run a regular Linux or BSD with GPU-accelerated GUIs simply interfacing with said computer (I believe that's more or less what Tesla does). Worst case scenario: if the OS on the tablet hangs - it doesn't matter cause it's not running anything important, you could just detect that it's not responding and restart the whole thing.
My favorite thing about Linus when he critiques something is his ability to provide practical and simple solutions, a company can really get a lot of constructive criticism that can help improve their products.
That is assuming they value criticism at all. A person, so much like a company or team, must be comfortable accepting the criticism. If they are not, like most companies, they will never improve or fix the vast majority of anything because that is admitting an error in design or execution. Most companies:Why would we do that?
Being a car guy & hearing linus complain about the driving mode resetting upon start up & the HVAC being crap without knobs / switches is a really hilarious cross between my two favorite hobbies - tech and cars lol
It's weird, it is like this in my 2018 Q5 - it forgets everything. But when I had an older 2014 A7 I never had to adjust anything. Every time I got in the car, it would remember all of the driver settings, HVAC settings etc. It's like they went backwards and made it worse.
This is a normal thing and is actually often an emissions thing (hangover from ICE vehicles). The testing manufacturers have to do is a fairly short drive representing real conditions, which is why your car will try to get the cats up to temp as fast as it absolutely can, it's why things like exhaust and engine settings default to the comfort modes so they can ensure it gets tested in its most eco state and it's why stop start exists, it makes fuck all difference in the real world but in a brief test run it does make a real difference. Tldr you can only emissions and safety test the car in the state it starts up in every day, so they make them reset to comfort to try and scrape through tests
@@MichaelWooley my sister accidentally put volkswagen suv into sport mode for weeks and wondering why the gas mileage suddenly got worse. New enough to still be under warranty, some cars definitely remember settings
@@EmbraceMaking It get's even crazier. In my 2009 A3 it stores HVAC settings in the key, so when I get in with my set of keys the temp is set to my temp, and when someone else gets in with second key they get their temp
I can't believe how far LTT has come when it comes to video quality and production. I'll never purchase this car, but you guys kept me interested for the entire video. I can't believe this content is free, it's just so well done :)
I'd argue that their videos get more and more stale every year. Sure production quality is up, but passion is way down. Its all just soulless filler churned out to appease the machine
@@flako6096 I can see where you get that idea; but as someone who has experience with super cars I can tell you the headrest protects you from that to begin with so no it isn’t that it the car would have more issues if that was the case as that would mean your car is a potential hazard at the speeds it goes which would be another con if that were the case as the headrest technology wasn’t on par with the vehicle it was designed for
@@flako6096 again, I understand where your coming from however the airbags won’t detonate like that you’d have to have a collision with an object to trigger said airbags. :3 hope that helps
I respect Linus. No matter how big or how rich he gets, he never changes and always stays humble unless it's a contest. As person, business man, and family man much respect.
Couldn't agree more. He treats his employees with respect. He does a lot of work and puts in his full effort; he has been for over a decade. He admits to his mistakes and learns from them. Absolute respect.
I don't know if LTT would be anywhere close to what it is today without his leadership. Obviously not all his decisions are perfect, but he seems to be a damn good boss.
One thing ima say for Linus to know, someone’s probably said it, but they didn’t under rate the hp because the numbers they give are what the engine or batteries can put out. This does not include the powertrain loss which is usually around 15% horsepower loss from the motors delivering the powers to the wheels. So while they torque is underrated, the horsepower is probably on the money
Also various dynos report different numbers based on the technology they use. Dynojet usually reports higher than Mustang if I'm remembering right. Plus you gotta factor in calibration, how thoroughly they input the relevant information, which can introduce variables, such as ambient temperature (for example, colder temps are better for ICE engines because cool air is more dense), and also number of tests as even three consecutive tests can have a range of results. Everything compounded, it's entirely feasible to have that kind of a discrepancy. That's to say nothing of the argument for measurement types, like hub dyno vs roller dyno and which numbers are "official" and whatnot!
@Above So Below Yes, I know. I worked a bit on my aunt's when she got one due to her daughter in law dying, and holy cow that thing... Still makes me really sad and pissed off.
My dad had to drive one as a rental after he totaled his Camry when he hit a deer back in 2005. To this day, he said it was the worst car he ever drove. I will never buy an American vehicle, and Chrysler is #1 on the list of companies to avoid.
My dads a used car dealer / mechanic and I’ve helped around his dealership a bunch and yeah from what I’ve learned the pt cruiser is a garbage built car but for some reason lots of people like their look
It always impresses me that when LTT gets serious, they can consistently deliver some of the most well rounded, considerate, and high quality review content on this entire platform. More of this pls
The drifts were faked. Watch the one long last drift, there's a guy in the driver's seat with sunglasses and a different cap on backward. Besides that, you can even see that it's not Alex if you watch it in slow-mow and/or stop the video at 6:31. Also it doesn't look like a real drift, when you watch Alex inside the car steering, at least that's my perception.
"this car would be better if three of these displays were gone" Me everytime im driving a newer car. THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH BUTTONS AND KNOBS After a short time getting used to the layout, you will never have to look at them again. Meanwhile you have to look at the screen every time you do anything. Only exception is having your navigation. Which should be on a heads up display. The tech is there already
@@sqlevolicious have fun trying to turn down the radio down blind, adjust the ac or do basically anything you do while driving without taking the eyes of the road. It's purely form over function. Just a terrible idea which puts me of electric cars even tho I'd love one
@@sqlevolicious pretty sure replacing knobs and switches and bulbs are cheaper than a whole screen unless working on your own car like most car guys is "too boomer" for you. Plus as others have mentioned, functionally easier to use while driving. Funny, you rock an Evo for a profile banner, an older generation one too. You sure you're into cars or just another hyped highschooler drooling over JDMs because Fast and Furious and its cool to bandwagon with every other highschool kid who fawns over JDMs like they're the end-all-be-all of car culture?
I think this review was awesome. I watch tons of car content and getting a perspective from a non car guy was great. Linus is right. Having such crap infotainment and oversights in a car like this is completely bonkers.
Especially since the infotainment system is becoming so central to the cars operation. I mean damn, climate controls on a touch screen? Once you have that as an interaction, there is absolutely no room for error when designing the rest of the infotainment system.
It is probably the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the infotainment in a Porsche, too, and yet car reviewers will usually be the first to point out that, say, VW Golf mk 8's climate control is hidden 3 menus deep in the infotainment, it has awful touch sliders for volume and temp, along with annoying touch sensitive buttons for headlight modes, the touch sensitive buttons on the steering wheel are garbage, etc. It's almost like there's a double standard for premium brands.
@@piobu5357 Actually funny enough. I remember the Top Gear UK episode where the trio were driving those GT cars for a wedding couple, where they spent a day with a Maserati, an Aston Marten, and a Porsche. The trio quickly pointed out that the Porsche Panamera they were driving had awful user interaction cause there were so many buttons and controls, with common settings being hidden in submenus and such. I think its been an issue with Porsche then tbh. I mean, wth does "Semi-Automatic" clock adjustment mean?
@@indianboy0453 with how cheap microprocessors are these days I find it absolutely puzzling that Porsche would ever push out a laggy unresponsive touchscreen as the main input device in their luxury car. They should know better.
It reminds me of the Subaru BRZ Raiu edition. Personally my favorite car and dream car so I really like it :) wish the rims were all black though like in the Raiu edition.
As a german I can totally relate to the software being not thought through completly. Germany is stuck in middle age in so many places. As long as you stay with mechanics and stuff, everything is top notch, but as soon as you come to things related to software and use cases that were born after 2000 it feels like the train left without us. (No real digital government services..paper...paper...fax, schools didnt even manage to provide online lessons during the lockdowns and it goes on like that...) Besides that, great review :)
I like what Mercedes Benz has done with the MBUX infotainment system in the newer models. It can be a little slow for me at times, and it had a bit of a learning curve, but I like it a lot.
@@2000daboss Isn't that bad for International operating companies, Software, etc problems aren't more bad than the International competition. But stuff gets worse if you come closer to the government... that part is right.
I really really really really really wish we can forever eliminate starting sentences with "That moment when..." Please? Please?? Please!!! It's so over done. How about, "I was surprised at the end when I realized that the kids were actually... blah blah blah"
Honestly you just experienced the state of German mechanical engineering vs German software engineering. We do cars well. Infotainment can't be forged from steel, therefore we are at a bit of a loss there. To all my countrymen i just say Neuland ;)
I watch a lot of car reviews, I'm kinda a gear head. This is excellent. It's great to have this review from down to earth guys of younger generations, not people who are either obsessed with performance or obsessed with boot space. More please! Also, please do some videos on the sustainability of tech - CPUs, OLED, lithium batteries, recycling etc!
I don't get why we need touch screens in cars. Having actual tactile feel is important when driving and there is no benefit to having touch screens for everything. I am not against automated tech in cars like auto wipers, auto lights etc but but I'm not going to play games or watch movies while driving so i don't need screens everywhere.
@@anonym3017 I'm actually not too sure about that. A screen can be really expensive and also needs a computer to drive it. But maybe it's cheaper in the long term because assembly and production is cheaper for the manufacturer. But yeah, touch screens are a bit unnecessary and very distracting.
But they look modern 🥺 Jokes aside, I rather prefer using buttons and tactile controls in cars too. I hate having to look down from the street, just to find the media controls.
@@detroxx56784 processing power is cheap as shit. Plus we are comparing the cost of a single automotive grade touchscreen to the cost of a single automotive grade screen (no touch) and about 20 buttons including the assembly costs. So you need a computer to run the screen anyway. the touchscreen variant is a lot cheaper.
@@detroxx56784 Developing those buttons, the shrouds, blanking plates, and then multiple skus etc. Not to mention different trim levels. Its wayyyy cheaper to go with a single screen.
when you think about it, the pc and tuner culture have many similarities. they both pick and modify parts which enhances performance, like how upgrading to a bigger turbo is like upgrading your graphics cards, upgrading intercooler is upgrading into a water cooling pc, etc.
@@Suspinded yeah that's a great point. the $80k Model S long range would have been a much better comparison. it has the quicker acceleration and the air suspension, both things that would improve the driving experience way more than the Model Y he drives currently (and that he mentioned as winning points on the Porsche). with the tech and range to boot, i really don't see how the Porsche could win the comparison right now like he claims
@@jamieb1629 I think it would be weird if the the parts of the experience that have little to do with the electric motor or digital inputs in a tesla could compare. We are comparing Porsche who are almost as old as the car itself, with tesla who had only about a decade of time. For example, take Teslas objectiv issues with yield and quality control.
@@TroublesomeOwl germans don't have nazi police, America does. Listens to Atlantis morissette, isn't it ironic. My last name is German. So all the PC crowd, pun intended, get off my wifi.
It's been wild watching since the NCIX days when Linus was just a kid making marketing vids for another company, to being a straight up rich business owner that can buy a rich person's car. Congrats on the success, you definitely earned it.
@@M167A1 I get the vibe, but I don't see the logic. If he's got money to burn, and he likes that car, it makes perfect sense to buy it. Life is meant to be enjoyed and not every decision needs to or should be a practical one.
@@dennispremoli7950 physical buttons and knobs are still important, at least for regular used things like heating. That are things you want to control while driving and for that it's best if you can control them without looking, that isn't that easy if you have to navigate with a touchscreen. Also there are laws in some countries which forbid to use things like smartphones and navigation systems (such a touch screen system could be counted in such ruling).
@@wcovey25 I'm a car guy but this is still annoying. Just because a car isn't a manual doesn't mean it's not fun/not engaging. They're not as engaging as manuals, but can still be really fun
My uncle has a white Taycan 4S and oh my, it feels just amazing. Cornering is incredible and the quickness is insane. It looks and feels MUCH better in person, the seats are also very grippy but it feels a bit cramped. You would have to experience this in person to actually like this car, this car is now the reason why I like EV’s
Agreed. Though the starting price is pretty high too. BMW is getting the i4 soon on the affordable spectrum. And then there's Ioniq series outside of Germany.
This is something I don't understand about modern cars. _Everything_ has to be touch screen. Why? Whats wrong with tactile buttons that never move so muscle memory kicks in. What's wrong with knobs that instantly set the desired volume and temp? Why do I have to navigate a terrible Infotainment system UI with the response of a android tablet from 2009? What's wrong with simplicity! I'll stick to my older cars thank you very much.
Individual buttons cost more and take longer to install. That's why Tesla just slaps one big screen in the car and make you use that for everything; it saves them money. And now because Tesla is cool and like the Apple of cars, regular car makers are copying them by putting screens in their cars as well. BMWs have really well designed interiors in terms of ergonomics, having a good mix of buttons and knobs for essential functions, but their new EVs like the i4 and iX have gone screen heavy Tesla style, and many of the buttons have been removed. Quite a shame really.
@@tren133 I particularly hated the BMW method of using a knob to push in each direction to navigate the menu in the infotainment system, so slow and really distracting on the road. Don't think they use that anymore though. I agree, it is a shame.
@@callmezucc9318 I think the first generation iDrive required the driver to push the knob in like 8 directions, which was crazy. But BMW has worked on it over the years to make it less distracting, and the current gen only moves left and right and the screen is also a touch screen too. It would be fine if BMW would just put this system into their new EVs. It works fine in the i3 and iX3, but of course they have to go screen heavy in the newest EVs like the i4 and iX, especially the iX, and remove so many useful hard buttons.
@@tren133 I always hated the UI in my BMW x5 the non click turn signals have me unintentionally flashing turn signals all the time and the knob wheel thing to navigate the infotainment is still clunky, I've come to the conclusion most high end cars are fun to drive but suck compared to cheap cars in most other ways.
@@carbomb6210 Yeah I'm also not a fan of those ridiculous turn signals. The new BMWs for the past couple of years have gone back to a traditional turn signal stalk which locks into place and snaps back after a turn. Better than Tesla which has now just straight up gotten rid of the stalk altogether. Also the new BMWs have both the iDriver controller and a touch screen so you can choose which one to use. Overall I'd still much prefer the BMW interior to a Tesla interior, that is until the new i models started taking away buttons.
What the car reviews is making me realise is that I'd like to see the LTT crew do some of the other things Top Gear used to... like with old vehicles doing a challenge of some kind. Linus, Alex, Riley, and Anthony. Dan sets the challenges (he has the strongest banter).
He looked more like a mafia leaders right hand man. Like the guy he sends to collect debts, along with a giant strong man. Or he looked kinda like a "stereotypical" "D***he" CEO kinda look. Even though we all know Linus Is actually a kind hearted, great nice guy.
I must say, I love LTT way of reviewing cars. Every other channel/magazine is focusing mostly on driving with addition to quickly go through other features (computer, setting etc.) and they test this vehicle for like a day or two. I like LTT because they don't try to rush reviews and they aren't worried about showing what doesn't feel right.
Toyota listens to this kind of feedback and continually improves their cars based on it. Porsche once hired Toyota to help them improve their production practices, so hopefully that included continual improvement, or kaizen as the Japanese call it.
Toyota: A happy customer increases shareholder value. Others: How can we make the car break as often as possible to sell more parts, but not too often?
i really like those formats where linus does the entertainment and the blonde workshop guy brings forward the intricate tech details. It works really well!
@@lurk7967 I agree that Alex deserves more name recognition, but you are seriously underestimating how much blood sweat and tears Linus had to put himself through to get his channel where it is today. There's a reason he has his position, and it wasn't down to random chance or "just because the universe is weird"
@Lurk I don't often comment, but I can't resist. This is such a pointless argument, my god. Degrees has never been equal to success, like ever, in the history of mankind. Will your probability of having success increase with one? Sure. But the outliers; the ones who rake in millions/billions a year are always more than just your avg Ivy/college grads. They always have a story behind them, an exceptional idea, an extraordinary drive to finish something they started and also in some cases, just plain old luck. You don't have a right to be a multi-millionaire just bcs you have a fancy degree. Linus has built this platform/community with over a decade of work, sacrificing elements of his life that many of his viewers can't even imagine. So please stop with this underestimation of his/or any other successful creators' work.
Linus is pretty conservative with spending his personal money on frivolous items, but he definitely has OCD on his company products and making sure they give it their best
@@alexmills1329 Also, Linus didn't spend his personal money on this car. This was something the company "WAS" going to purchase, test for a month, write the story, shoot the video, post online, and THEN sell the car. Except Linus was set upon indecision dilemma and ended up renting one instead. This was never a personal purchase for Linus.
@@jackielinde7568 For where Linus lives near Cloverdale/Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada it actually makes much more sense for Linus to drive the new Ford F-150 Lightning Platinum Edition which had LOTS of Front Trunk (FRUNK) space for securely storing tech gear inside of AND it can carry 1800 lbs in the bed and/or tow 10,000 lbs. Since he has to drive either on that ridiculously congested Highway One or Fraser Highway to get to and from his work in Surrey (a 30 minute to 90 minute drive depending on weather/traffic/accidents/etc!), it simply makes more INTERIOR CREATURE COMFORTS SENSE for him to buy the newest upper-trim-level F-150 Lightning since it WILL NOT have those annoying user interface issues the Porsche Taycan has. Ford KNOWS user interfaces on car infotainment systems and they have had almost TWO DECADES of experience getting it right for their very demanding customers. v
I absolutely love these guys, no mater the topic, they ALWAYS make sure to do the research. The Tesla vs Porsche comment is ABSOLUTELY correct. The entire suspension setup in the tesla is pretty outdated and for a lack of a better word "cheap". There is no way tesla could compete with a modern day "race car" on the track.
the display and audio topic is a bane in everyones existence for reals. I mean I would get not having any audio at all in a GT3 RS but when you are driving an electric car you kind of want something to make sound which is not just wheeeeeeeeeeep
But you´ll have to admit that Germany is still 20 Years back in Time when it comes to Digital stuff. (Glasfaserausbau, Digitalisierung, etc.) So with proper skilled people (Politics and Engineering) it could be better. But until than... *cries in sad Lippisch noises*. Hope September will bring something good.
@@SniperReady There are a lot of cars that can easily have the same acceleration as that, I think its more so just that torque that will slam you back in an instant
0:33 Linus, the whole point of a tie clip is to clip your tie to your shirt so it doesn't flap around (also to be decorative in the process). Love the color of that car though.
“Is listening to music not an intrical part of driving?” No, I don’t think it is. To me, listening to the sound of the car and scrubbing of the tires sure is, though! A friend picked me up in his Taycan 4S and we spent about an hour in the car, and didn’t listen to a single song. The album art was nice to look at, though. At least it has Carplay, something I wish my Tesla had. That said, the Tesla infotainment system is okay, just not great. Like the Model S interior. Back to the Taycan - we spent far too much time toggling through the driving modes with that beautiful driving mode control knob. The feel of that really confirms the quality of the car, it feels so well made, like the rest of the car. The way the steering tightens, the suspension lowers and stiffens all added to the driving experience. The extra synthetic motor noises were a bit of fun. I appreciated the passenger-side screen, it was nice to have some control and something to play with while just sitting in that comfortable seat. The interior is so good, Tesla has a long ways to go to match the quality inside the Porsche. I loved the on-track driving and drifting of that Frozen blue car, you had me cracking up with all that hooliganism, it was GREAT! Did you cover any lane keeping assist features…I’m not sure if I just missed them. You made the launch control look so simple, nicely done, so nice to see that 4718lb car move so quickly! Was I the only one annoyed at the "stepping on the gas" comments? ;) Overall, I really enjoyed your video, and the energy you put forth making them. A big thanks to the whole team that was behind making it. Nicely done posting their well deserved credit screen.
@@Sal3600 thats the great thing about the porsche it haves everything you want acceleration handleing luxury interior the tesla on the other hand just haves acceleration the interior is meh handleing is meh
Because cars are integrating with technology more than ever, just like the Tesla plaid can run cyberpunk, future cars will have powerful enough computers inside them to do most things you would do on a laptop. Just think a mobile computer on wheels.
@@Prem-j9l3s That's crazy to me that they have a 13 already. I just got my Iphone 7 a year and a half ago and don't really plan to change that for at least a few more years.
I grew up in Weissach and it was always so exciting standing on the balcony and listening the cars hitting over the test track. I´m not saying progress is bad, but sound makes 99% of the enthusiasm for cars.
The "smarter" cars get, the "dumber" the controls get for them. I feel like it takes more steps to do anything in more modern cars vs my old trusty (But not crusty) 03 Buick.
The issue with GUI Apps and Software is, that they are pain in the ass to create. Working with Vectors is one of the most horrible things I've ever done and I can clearly see that tve developers couldn't bother to create something as well. I mean, the GUI looks like a 2010 Android Phone at some parts...
The reason is because there are more and more features and developers are having a hard time figuring out where to put them, for example, my family's 2020 cadillac escalade has a microphone in front to allow you to speak to the back without having to shout, but it's the stupidest thing because the people in the back HAVE to shout back at you because there aren't any microphones in the back, so in that case, microphones in the front are practically useless because there WILL be shouting in case you're going through a drive-through. More and more companies are adding things that look good on paper in order to say that "we have a lot of features" which in turn is where the problem lies.
There are still cars on sale today that buck the trends - my 1,5 y.o. Mazda 3 BP sedan has no touch screen, no fake vents, no fake exhaust, no fake engine noise, it has all the modern tech (for this price point), and it's surprisingly ergonomic. HUD display combined with a screen sitting high on the dash, and physical buttons, mean that I pretty much never need to take my eyes off the road while driving. Lack of a touch screen sucks only when you need to enter navi destination, or zoom on google maps, since it's a pain to do with the swivel wheel. Still, you can always use voice commands for setting directions, and zoom on the map actually works great on the swivel wheel, if you use the onboard navigation. I could certainly do without the piano black on the center console, door switches, and on the B pillar, though. This trend needs to die asap, too.
where are you from? Either way, even in Norway or Switzerland or whatever rich country you're from, you should be able to get a Dacia for way less than 30k, and surely various other cars as well (I'm not a car guy, I have no idea).
Heh, should see how expensive cars are in Australia. There are a handful of cheap options, like the MG3 for 20K, but most decent cars that have things like a GPS and something other than a lawnmower engine under the hood, etc. are well over 20k. The car that Linus just reviewed is 220K for the absolute base model, and 400K for the Turbo.
Dynos measure HP at the wheel, not at the “crank.” You’re not going to get the same figures for what the factory shows vs what the dyno shows. This is completely normal.
@@gagbabgerwer5883 there's still a significant amount of losses through the gearing, also this is not a single speed transmission, it still has a clutch
@@zaydabbas1609, touque would actually see the biggest difference not power. Though dynos correct for metrics and give a torque figure which isn’t correct, and is a lot higher. In the car world 500 ft lb of torque is a lot, but not enough alone to move something with lots of force that could be 2.5 tons.
@@gagbabgerwer5883 It is applicable. What companies claim is that the motor is X horsepower. But even if the motor was the same exact number they claimed, that's still not real world results of what you would be experiencing at the wheel, there are sooooo many things to factor in like curb weight, altitude, temperature etc.
I greatly appreciate a car review that spends less than half of its runtime just saying "it's fun to drive" over and over. Especially the notes about infotainment - those were great!
So we can place 90% of the blame on Tesla when it comes to implementing touchscreen controls into an environment where you need to be able to instinctively reach things, and get immediate feedback that your input was accepted.
Nah, it would have come anyway. Touchscreens are now cheaper and easier to design for and to build in during manufacturing. Luxury automakers ought to stop chasing Tesla's aesthetic and put in well designed, well made buttons and knobs for the things that need them.
I mean for what Tesla is trying to do it kind of makes sense. Tesla wants to make self driving cars, so if the car is partially self driving you can afford to pay a little less attention to the road. Other cars aren't trying to go for self driving, therefore the touch screens don't make much sense for them.
@@odiousfox355 except you absolutely must not take your attention off the road yet (edit: although you can get away with it) . The cars aren't yet able to cope with every situation so must have a human alert and ready to take over.
I like to blame millennials. It doesn't even matter if it is their fault or not. It just feels right to blame them. That said, Tesla even removed the dash cluster in the 3. So it's definitely their fault too.
Absolutely love this type of cinematic review. Even just Linus standing in front of the car/cottage had the slightest hint of bokeh that looked so soo good. Do more of this when it's right. (Obvs not on your average tech video)
@@sigibaes no crank (hence op had "crank hp" in quotation marks), but still there is difference when you measure the power straight from the motor than measure it through transmission & 4WD etc. Smallish, but still significant amount of power is lost in process.
@@krebgurfson5732 you can't find a manufacturer that would advertise "power after transmission & stuff". If anything, Porsche is very conservative with their numbers practically always "underselling". Pretty sure that's true in this case as well.
Note: A couple of days ago Porsche announced an over-the-air update to their infotainment that includes adding Android Auto to the Taycan. The Taycan already had some of this system in place so it's unclear how many of our gripes will be addressed when it arrives.
Also we are aware that the Model S Plaid is price comparable to this. It wasn't shipping when we reviewed this car and we can only do one car at a time. We'll be happy to check out the Plaid when/if we can. Porsche made it easier by offering short-term rentals.
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I just gotta say, the level of quality we are getting from LTT's team is just getting insane. I remember the days, with the room watercooling projet, the content was great before, don't get me wrong but man, I'm impressed.
lmao I am here since the kitchen days
@@miguelguerrero3394 yeah, it was hilarious and functional!
@@ryzencorp8182 OMG this tap actually works?!
I remember baby Linus teaching me how to overclock my i7920. Yes, I'd agree with your analysis.
I remember back when water cooling a PC was just a myth. Good times.... ^^
Bring it to cliché corner!!
Yaaaas!
Yessss please you guys gotta collab
We need a collab!!!
"Hi! I'm Yuri, I'm Jakub, I'm Linus, let's go for drive!"
WHAT???? my two favorite youtube channels, literally. I always wondered if you knew about each other
Gotta give LMG props, at least when they test a car at spirited speeds they do it at a local race track. Love having Mission Raceway Park be so local for some fun once in a while.
We want to push these cars to the limit in a safe place, also it's a fun place and the crew there are great to work with. - Jono
@@LinusTechTips agreed, I've done the Friday Night Street Legal Drags there a lot, helps I'm just on the other side of the Mission Bridge, low price for a lot of fun on a Friday night lemme tell ya.
@@LinusTechTips :D
Considering the recent MKBHD thing, this comment aged surprisingly well
oh god I hate this kind of people. many roads are safe to drive fast, you just have to know them enough.
ok hands down i demand Linus and the whole team to do a car review channel. this is a proper car review. nice shots of power sliding btw.
Really , it feels like and add, not only in terms of content but also the lenguaje used, in particular at the beginning (Linus script )
I work at VWGOA and work closely with infotainment teams. I will be passing this video onto them if they’re not already getting it from non-IT business teams. Thanks Linus, love watching your channel.
While you are at it the ergonomics of getting the phone into the charger pocket sucks. I get what they were trying to do "don't use ur phone while driving lol"
But making it less convenient to get into and out of your car is such an ass-backward way of thinking it blew my mind.
if they didn't knew these problems existed 1 year into a release of a car, then they already suck
Why you keep using those shitty (in terms of graphics performance) real-time OSes for touchscreens? Just have a separate computer running RTOS for anything vital, and on tablets run a regular Linux or BSD with GPU-accelerated GUIs simply interfacing with said computer (I believe that's more or less what Tesla does).
Worst case scenario: if the OS on the tablet hangs - it doesn't matter cause it's not running anything important, you could just detect that it's not responding and restart the whole thing.
There is nothing special about Linus’ feedback. Porsche owners have the same complaint about the infotainment system.
My favorite thing about Linus when he critiques something is his ability to provide practical and simple solutions, a company can really get a lot of constructive criticism that can help improve their products.
i got a cheesecake.
I legitimately think this ability is one of the things that helped let launch in the first place
That is assuming they value criticism at all. A person, so much like a company or team, must be comfortable accepting the criticism. If they are not, like most companies, they will never improve or fix the vast majority of anything because that is admitting an error in design or execution. Most companies:Why would we do that?
Its almost like he was a consultant for that type of stuff.
Being a car guy & hearing linus complain about the driving mode resetting upon start up & the HVAC being crap without knobs / switches is a really hilarious cross between my two favorite hobbies - tech and cars lol
It's weird, it is like this in my 2018 Q5 - it forgets everything. But when I had an older 2014 A7 I never had to adjust anything. Every time I got in the car, it would remember all of the driver settings, HVAC settings etc. It's like they went backwards and made it worse.
This is a normal thing and is actually often an emissions thing (hangover from ICE vehicles). The testing manufacturers have to do is a fairly short drive representing real conditions, which is why your car will try to get the cats up to temp as fast as it absolutely can, it's why things like exhaust and engine settings default to the comfort modes so they can ensure it gets tested in its most eco state and it's why stop start exists, it makes fuck all difference in the real world but in a brief test run it does make a real difference.
Tldr you can only emissions and safety test the car in the state it starts up in every day, so they make them reset to comfort to try and scrape through tests
@@helplmchoking I am not really sure that's true. My vehicle maintains its driving mode it was left in upon previous shutdown.
@@MichaelWooley my sister accidentally put volkswagen suv into sport mode for weeks and wondering why the gas mileage suddenly got worse. New enough to still be under warranty, some cars definitely remember settings
@@EmbraceMaking It get's even crazier. In my 2009 A3 it stores HVAC settings in the key, so when I get in with my set of keys the temp is set to my temp, and when someone else gets in with second key they get their temp
I can't believe how far LTT has come when it comes to video quality and production. I'll never purchase this car, but you guys kept me interested for the entire video. I can't believe this content is free, it's just so well done :)
Yet Linus still doesn't understand what a tie clip is actually used for....
I'd argue that their videos get more and more stale every year.
Sure production quality is up, but passion is way down. Its all just soulless filler churned out to appease the machine
@@nemtudom5074 Can't you just be happy that Linus actually hit puberty and became a man during Covid......
@@MaverickBlue42 lol
@@MaverickBlue42 I mean, i never found his voice to be too high
You know you can afford a porche when you can throw your jacket and it doesn't touch the floor.
*Porsche
@@wolverine1294 u seem fun at parties
PORSCHE
Thats a good observation
*porsche
Not gonna lie, that was the best LTT intro this year.
Haven't seen intresting LTT Video in months.
Really? The intro wasn't that impressive
@@sfs2040 ena mashofthech alakhater rna 3andi el blocker
Yeah agreed
Because it was cringey?
Now it's got real life DLC. Thanks dbrand
I like how Linus acts like a dad and protects his friends when he launches the car or does pulls
I was confused by it if I am honest
So he dosent get sued if they do get hurt
@@flako6096 I can see where you get that idea; but as someone who has experience with super cars I can tell you the headrest protects you from that to begin with so no it isn’t that it the car would have more issues if that was the case as that would mean your car is a potential hazard at the speeds it goes which would be another con if that were the case as the headrest technology wasn’t on par with the vehicle it was designed for
@@awsstudios they have airbags too , dosent mean you cant be hurt in a car crash dork
@@flako6096 again, I understand where your coming from however the airbags won’t detonate like that you’d have to have a collision with an object to trigger said airbags. :3 hope that helps
I love that you're letting Alex do the car reviews, dude knows his shit
even knows how to power slide and writes amazing scrips for videos. sick
He's an electrical engineer I think.
@@oldbot64 He got his masters on suspension design
Indeed, much better than Linus in that regard.
He's a good driver and has knowledge on cars for sure
I respect Linus. No matter how big or how rich he gets, he never changes and always stays humble unless it's a contest. As person, business man, and family man much respect.
Couldn't agree more. He treats his employees with respect. He does a lot of work and puts in his full effort; he has been for over a decade. He admits to his mistakes and learns from them. Absolute respect.
I don't know if LTT would be anywhere close to what it is today without his leadership. Obviously not all his decisions are perfect, but he seems to be a damn good boss.
Unless when "getting in the shoes" of Nvidia and trying to endorse bad 1000€ gpus
@@antreastoumazou2736 he is not a shill
@@lucasvaughn629 exactly. He could make a lot more money if he was. I still trust him.
One thing ima say for Linus to know, someone’s probably said it, but they didn’t under rate the hp because the numbers they give are what the engine or batteries can put out. This does not include the powertrain loss which is usually around 15% horsepower loss from the motors delivering the powers to the wheels. So while they torque is underrated, the horsepower is probably on the money
Also various dynos report different numbers based on the technology they use. Dynojet usually reports higher than Mustang if I'm remembering right. Plus you gotta factor in calibration, how thoroughly they input the relevant information, which can introduce variables, such as ambient temperature (for example, colder temps are better for ICE engines because cool air is more dense), and also number of tests as even three consecutive tests can have a range of results. Everything compounded, it's entirely feasible to have that kind of a discrepancy.
That's to say nothing of the argument for measurement types, like hub dyno vs roller dyno and which numbers are "official" and whatnot!
@@Kitteh.B Yeah I would have not made that claim without more than one dyno test and checking with the manufacturer on testing methodology
Also could be due to battery depreciation. Not all dynos are the same either
Whenever I see linus's kids I get a reminder that he is not a guy in his early 20s giving computer tips
Isn't he like 34 though? Seems a little young to be having a midlife crisis.
@@Mark-vv1dy He already had one if you remember the now infamous stream
@@lfox02 what hah explain or link
@@gapininja he thought about retiring
@@Ben_mgsp then became a meme
"This would actually be a better car if 3 of these displays were gone" Scathing. I love it.
And on that bombshell it is now time to end... oh wait, wrong show...
@@zdanee This made me laugh😂
A high school friend's parents bought a PT Cruiser with flame decals on it. They called it their "Mid-life Chrysler."
@Above So Below Yes, I know. I worked a bit on my aunt's when she got one due to her daughter in law dying, and holy cow that thing... Still makes me really sad and pissed off.
My dad had to drive one as a rental after he totaled his Camry when he hit a deer back in 2005. To this day, he said it was the worst car he ever drove. I will never buy an American vehicle, and Chrysler is #1 on the list of companies to avoid.
That in itself is a midlife crisis
My dads a used car dealer / mechanic and I’ve helped around his dealership a bunch and yeah from what I’ve learned the pt cruiser is a garbage built car but for some reason lots of people like their look
Not gonna lie of cruiser are some fun,a brick like fun.
It always impresses me that when LTT gets serious, they can consistently deliver some of the most well rounded, considerate, and high quality review content on this entire platform. More of this pls
Never knew Alex is such a car dude. He drifts hard.
I mean, wasn't he the guy who did those dirt-race cars?
If i remember correctly, his job interview vids for ltt is he goes go-cart racing or something..
Alex is a rally car enthusiast?
Lol he wasn't the one drifitng in the b roll. He done a few little slides
The drifts were faked. Watch the one long last drift, there's a guy in the driver's seat with sunglasses and a different cap on backward. Besides that, you can even see that it's not Alex if you watch it in slow-mow and/or stop the video at 6:31. Also it doesn't look like a real drift, when you watch Alex inside the car steering, at least that's my perception.
Oh we got super daddy Linus at the start there
I think you meant “SUGAR DADDY LINUS”
Hello friends 🥰
Because I'm not famous like other singers that's why no one see my music videos. Please see once and then decide ❤️
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@@callistoarmy5576 ... no
@@callistoarmy5576 What if "noone" sees your music videos is because people hate you for advertising in comments
@@Kore_YT 🤣 ppl are sure desperate promoting music on a mid life crisis video
I can't believe you guys missed the chance of showing Linus wearing a suit with socks and sandals 😂😂
I was waiting for it. "Pan the camera down, lets see that footwear".
He did that in the IBM model m video
Right I was WAITING for that shot!
They missed that, really? I'm unsubbing.
Its more like the deliberately cut it out. Not Porsche enough.
"this car would be better if three of these displays were gone"
Me everytime im driving a newer car.
THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH BUTTONS AND KNOBS
After a short time getting used to the layout, you will never have to look at them again. Meanwhile you have to look at the screen every time you do anything.
Only exception is having your navigation. Which should be on a heads up display. The tech is there already
Porsche offers a HUD for the Taycan. Its customisable, one of many features is navigation.
More buttons and knobs mean more mechanical and electrical switches to break. Touch screens are better. Boomers be mad, yo.
@@sqlevolicious have fun trying to turn down the radio down blind, adjust the ac or do basically anything you do while driving without taking the eyes of the road.
It's purely form over function. Just a terrible idea which puts me of electric cars even tho I'd love one
@@sqlevolicious if they are normal good quality they don't break.. at least i never have seen any break an VW and Mercedes.
@@sqlevolicious pretty sure replacing knobs and switches and bulbs are cheaper than a whole screen unless working on your own car like most car guys is "too boomer" for you. Plus as others have mentioned, functionally easier to use while driving. Funny, you rock an Evo for a profile banner, an older generation one too. You sure you're into cars or just another hyped highschooler drooling over JDMs because Fast and Furious and its cool to bandwagon with every other highschool kid who fawns over JDMs like they're the end-all-be-all of car culture?
I think this review was awesome. I watch tons of car content and getting a perspective from a non car guy was great. Linus is right. Having such crap infotainment and oversights in a car like this is completely bonkers.
Especially since the infotainment system is becoming so central to the cars operation. I mean damn, climate controls on a touch screen? Once you have that as an interaction, there is absolutely no room for error when designing the rest of the infotainment system.
It is probably the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the infotainment in a Porsche, too, and yet car reviewers will usually be the first to point out that, say, VW Golf mk 8's climate control is hidden 3 menus deep in the infotainment, it has awful touch sliders for volume and temp, along with annoying touch sensitive buttons for headlight modes, the touch sensitive buttons on the steering wheel are garbage, etc. It's almost like there's a double standard for premium brands.
@@piobu5357 Actually funny enough. I remember the Top Gear UK episode where the trio were driving those GT cars for a wedding couple, where they spent a day with a Maserati, an Aston Marten, and a Porsche. The trio quickly pointed out that the Porsche Panamera they were driving had awful user interaction cause there were so many buttons and controls, with common settings being hidden in submenus and such. I think its been an issue with Porsche then tbh. I mean, wth does "Semi-Automatic" clock adjustment mean?
@@indianboy0453 There you go then, since I haven't seen TG UK, I mostly watch car reviews on youtube.
@@indianboy0453 with how cheap microprocessors are these days I find it absolutely puzzling that Porsche would ever push out a laggy unresponsive touchscreen as the main input device in their luxury car. They should know better.
"Is that a grey hair?" "No! It's our sponsor, KiwiCo!"
nice, a missed opportunity for sure.
No Keeps here.
Oh man, that color looks so unique!
4S is the best fit actually.
colors does look nice, but the garbage software like LInus said rly does kill it
Fancy seeing you here!
@@negvey it will get better with updates, I'm here for the drive and the experience not to play roblox in my car 100k+ car.
@@adam3504 i dont care about games either, I just want to turn off my A/C without getting into a car accident
It reminds me of the Subaru BRZ Raiu edition. Personally my favorite car and dream car so I really like it :) wish the rims were all black though like in the Raiu edition.
As a german I can totally relate to the software being not thought through completly. Germany is stuck in middle age in so many places. As long as you stay with mechanics and stuff, everything is top notch, but as soon as you come to things related to software and use cases that were born after 2000 it feels like the train left without us. (No real digital government services..paper...paper...fax, schools didnt even manage to provide online lessons during the lockdowns and it goes on like that...)
Besides that, great review :)
these infotainment systems that car manufacturers put on every car is the greatest crime of the 21st century
I like what Mercedes Benz has done with the MBUX infotainment system in the newer models. It can be a little slow for me at times, and it had a bit of a learning curve, but I like it a lot.
Interesting view, thank you.
"Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland."
@@2000daboss
Isn't that bad for International operating companies, Software, etc problems aren't more bad than the International competition.
But stuff gets worse if you come closer to the government... that part is right.
That moment when you're watching the end-roll ad and realize that the kids aren't stock footage, but actually Linus' children.
Then you realize how old they look since they where last shown
And thankfully the kid got the looks from his Mom ! lol
@@adeelraza2337 OOF
I really really really really really wish we can forever eliminate starting sentences with "That moment when..." Please? Please?? Please!!! It's so over done. How about, "I was surprised at the end when I realized that the kids were actually... blah blah blah"
Honestly you just experienced the state of German mechanical engineering vs German software engineering.
We do cars well. Infotainment can't be forged from steel, therefore we are at a bit of a loss there.
To all my countrymen i just say Neuland ;)
I just got my new Benz Cla and it’s infotainment is fantastic!
Yeah german software is almost always trash 😂
It will be Neuland for ever. Who needs infotainment when you dont even have Internet hahaha
Mercedes and BMW infotainment are amongst the best in the industry.
Ciao!
Tonight, on this episode of Grand Tips:
Linus wears a jacket
Alex sits on a chair
and Brandon knocks his head!
nice
xD
imagine Clarkson working for LMG
GREAT NEWS!
Wow a wannabe comedian in the chat and the show is called “Top gear” dummy
It's great to go back and watch this video now that Linus owns one of these. He totally deserves it.
wait what? when did this happen??
Linus: "There's so many buttons!"
Taran: *heavy breathing*
Underated comment
Fr
😂😂
I watch a lot of car reviews, I'm kinda a gear head. This is excellent. It's great to have this review from down to earth guys of younger generations, not people who are either obsessed with performance or obsessed with boot space. More please! Also, please do some videos on the sustainability of tech - CPUs, OLED, lithium batteries, recycling etc!
thats how u know linus doesn’t like money, he missed the point of a tie clip
yea, that made me lol hard as well....Not sure if wardrobe fail or good foreshadowing :D
This was without a doubt the funniest part of the video. When he gets out of the car and the tie goes flying I lost it.
Ah yes, everyone knows proper use of a tie clip directly correlates with enjoyment of money
Linus likes money, just let him tell you about today's sponsor and LTTstore. He doesn't like flaunting it or spending it on himself.
Linus is actually rich not dress up pretend rich. Money talks, wealth whispers.
No joke, you should have Alex do his own spinoff car review channel. Your format is really clean easy to consume and just a joy to watch
Linus: “It’s too good for me”
Also Linus: Has gold Xbox controller
He's gonna try to sell that though.
he's gonna go for slides
Didn't he give that away?
@@realtechhacks its a rental
@@realtechhacks oh ok
I don't get why we need touch screens in cars. Having actual tactile feel is important when driving and there is no benefit to having touch screens for everything. I am not against automated tech in cars like auto wipers, auto lights etc but but I'm not going to play games or watch movies while driving so i don't need screens everywhere.
Really simple reason.
A touchscreen is cheaper than a bunch of physical buttons
@@anonym3017 I'm actually not too sure about that. A screen can be really expensive and also needs a computer to drive it. But maybe it's cheaper in the long term because assembly and production is cheaper for the manufacturer.
But yeah, touch screens are a bit unnecessary and very distracting.
But they look modern 🥺
Jokes aside, I rather prefer using buttons and tactile controls in cars too.
I hate having to look down from the street, just to find the media controls.
@@detroxx56784 processing power is cheap as shit.
Plus we are comparing the cost of a single automotive grade touchscreen to the cost of a single automotive grade screen (no touch) and about 20 buttons including the assembly costs.
So you need a computer to run the screen anyway.
the touchscreen variant is a lot cheaper.
@@detroxx56784 Developing those buttons, the shrouds, blanking plates, and then multiple skus etc. Not to mention different trim levels.
Its wayyyy cheaper to go with a single screen.
"It's too good for me."
*buys $250000 in alpaca wool*
It was a blend :')
@@stalincat2457 still $250k in alpaca wool
can someone explain?
@@bigman5629In the WAN show he talked about having to order a quarter million dollars of alpaca wool for a pillow in LTT store.
@@adaml6703 thats a lot of alpaca wool
Wow, I've legit ever heard anyone, ever, complain about Porsche infotainment. And I'm obsessed with cars and Porsche in specific.
Linus' next video: "I put a turbo on my civic and raced the new Porsche"
Yesssssssss
Nothing scarier at a stop light than a civic with a laptop in the passenger seat
@@caboose309 beat me to it
when you think about it, the pc and tuner culture have many similarities. they both pick and modify parts which enhances performance, like how upgrading to a bigger turbo is like upgrading your graphics cards, upgrading intercooler is upgrading into a water cooling pc, etc.
Next video is RGB Porsche
Linus: "Don't ever compare it to a Tesla"
Also Linus: *Compares it to a Tesla for the rest of the video*
He was talking about the driving experience haha
Comparing the Porche that starts at $80k with the Tesla that starts at $50k instead of the one starting at $75k is a choice that was made, too.
@@Suspinded yeah that's a great point. the $80k Model S long range would have been a much better comparison. it has the quicker acceleration and the air suspension, both things that would improve the driving experience way more than the Model Y he drives currently (and that he mentioned as winning points on the Porsche). with the tech and range to boot, i really don't see how the Porsche could win the comparison right now like he claims
@@Suspinded that’s the point u can’t compare any Tesla to Porsche even ur model s plaid doesn’t stand a chance
@@jamieb1629 I think it would be weird if the the parts of the experience that have little to do with the electric motor or digital inputs in a tesla could compare.
We are comparing Porsche who are almost as old as the car itself, with tesla who had only about a decade of time.
For example, take Teslas objectiv issues with yield and quality control.
As a German I am very pleased that Linus pronounced „Porsche“ correctly 😍
@Liñûs tèçh tip tîps This is the most pointless bot I have ever seen.
as a german i thought it was funny when they talked about having to go onto a racetrack to test out its limits
*laughs in autobahn*
@@Henalphabet i'm not 100% sure, but i'm still fairly confident drifting on the autobahn is illegal lol
@@TroublesomeOwl in germany its only illegal if you're caught
@@TroublesomeOwl germans don't have nazi police, America does.
Listens to Atlantis morissette, isn't it ironic.
My last name is German. So all the PC crowd, pun intended, get off my wifi.
I've always loved Porsche's design language, the way the colour just effortlessly spills over here has got to be one of my favourite looks.
Yeah this one especially is lovely from the front it looks like a sad clown :D
Not going to lie. Linus looks smooth in that getup.
I was missing the sandals being put on.
Fruity more than smooth. Car color is also fruity.
Look like something he would drive everyday lol
It's been wild watching since the NCIX days when Linus was just a kid making marketing vids for another company, to being a straight up rich business owner that can buy a rich person's car. Congrats on the success, you definitely earned it.
Strikes as more money than sense though.
@@M167A1 more money than sense implies he would spend it wildly, on oh I dunno a gold controller? 😂😂😂
@@TheCod3r nah that was a brilliant move, he found a way to buy gold tax free
@@M167A1 I get the vibe, but I don't see the logic. If he's got money to burn, and he likes that car, it makes perfect sense to buy it. Life is meant to be enjoyed and not every decision needs to or should be a practical one.
The car is rented tho iirc
I'm glad we're making a big deal about infotainments now. Physical knobs are important.
naaah. This is just a car company sucking at being a software company. their menus still look like Android 5.0
@@dennispremoli7950 physical buttons and knobs are still important, at least for regular used things like heating. That are things you want to control while driving and for that it's best if you can control them without looking, that isn't that easy if you have to navigate with a touchscreen. Also there are laws in some countries which forbid to use things like smartphones and navigation systems (such a touch screen system could be counted in such ruling).
Heh, physical knobs are important, I agree.
Touchscreens everywhere in cars is the most stupid, useless, unsafe, retard trend ever.
@@siedenburg1 i never fucking touch this bottons 22 degrees and auto wtf
Funny that now he owns one finally, good for you man, awesome car.
3:01 that should be the sound the car makes when its accellerating as default
His laugh?
@@jonasmichael7380 yeah
LMAO
@@Phlyinhigh lmfaooo
Linus in his mid-30s: "Is that a grey hair on my beard?"
Me at 28: "Where'd my hair go?!"
Me at 21 with a couple of grey strands 🥲
Me at 25.
@Mansoor (Max). Don't feel too bad, my dad started getting some grey at 16
Me at 17, balding 😢
my dad lost his hair at 21
“One feels like operating a giant rc car, and the other feels like driving. “
Couldn’t been said better.
both have no exhuast note or third pedal. not driving anything, your operating.
While comparing a model Y suv vs a sports car lol
@@wcovey25 u have accelerator and brake, what do u need more?
@@wcovey25 I'm a car guy but this is still annoying. Just because a car isn't a manual doesn't mean it's not fun/not engaging. They're not as engaging as manuals, but can still be really fun
@@DAventador44 Agreed mate
My uncle has a white Taycan 4S and oh my, it feels just amazing. Cornering is incredible and the quickness is insane. It looks and feels MUCH better in person, the seats are also very grippy but it feels a bit cramped. You would have to experience this in person to actually like this car, this car is now the reason why I like EV’s
I'm sure driving it is great, but you also have to look at it from the outside sometimes, unfortunately :D
Try the Audi e-tron GT, basically a Taycan but with a better infotainment and more physical controls.
Agreed. Though the starting price is pretty high too.
BMW is getting the i4 soon on the affordable spectrum. And then there's Ioniq series outside of Germany.
Or even the etron GT RS, that thing is a monster.
have you seen skoda enyaq?
would get a m5 cs at that price
For me it's Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo if I'm ever going EV in the near time.
This is something I don't understand about modern cars. _Everything_ has to be touch screen. Why? Whats wrong with tactile buttons that never move so muscle memory kicks in. What's wrong with knobs that instantly set the desired volume and temp? Why do I have to navigate a terrible Infotainment system UI with the response of a android tablet from 2009? What's wrong with simplicity! I'll stick to my older cars thank you very much.
Individual buttons cost more and take longer to install. That's why Tesla just slaps one big screen in the car and make you use that for everything; it saves them money. And now because Tesla is cool and like the Apple of cars, regular car makers are copying them by putting screens in their cars as well. BMWs have really well designed interiors in terms of ergonomics, having a good mix of buttons and knobs for essential functions, but their new EVs like the i4 and iX have gone screen heavy Tesla style, and many of the buttons have been removed. Quite a shame really.
@@tren133 I particularly hated the BMW method of using a knob to push in each direction to navigate the menu in the infotainment system, so slow and really distracting on the road. Don't think they use that anymore though. I agree, it is a shame.
@@callmezucc9318 I think the first generation iDrive required the driver to push the knob in like 8 directions, which was crazy. But BMW has worked on it over the years to make it less distracting, and the current gen only moves left and right and the screen is also a touch screen too. It would be fine if BMW would just put this system into their new EVs. It works fine in the i3 and iX3, but of course they have to go screen heavy in the newest EVs like the i4 and iX, especially the iX, and remove so many useful hard buttons.
@@tren133 I always hated the UI in my BMW x5 the non click turn signals have me unintentionally flashing turn signals all the time and the knob wheel thing to navigate the infotainment is still clunky, I've come to the conclusion most high end cars are fun to drive but suck compared to cheap cars in most other ways.
@@carbomb6210 Yeah I'm also not a fan of those ridiculous turn signals. The new BMWs for the past couple of years have gone back to a traditional turn signal stalk which locks into place and snaps back after a turn. Better than Tesla which has now just straight up gotten rid of the stalk altogether. Also the new BMWs have both the iDriver controller and a touch screen so you can choose which one to use. Overall I'd still much prefer the BMW interior to a Tesla interior, that is until the new i models started taking away buttons.
Honestly I'm loving the LTT car reviews and hearing what Linus and the crew think about them
What the car reviews is making me realise is that I'd like to see the LTT crew do some of the other things Top Gear used to... like with old vehicles doing a challenge of some kind. Linus, Alex, Riley, and Anthony. Dan sets the challenges (he has the strongest banter).
I never understood the appeal of contemporary top gear. It is a circle jerk for super cars. The old top gear was definitely more organic.
@@popcorn8153Truth.
linus looked like a “john wick villain’s son” while getting out of the car
Love the profile picture
@UCMUHRxAp9s-wwoJgRamVTxg I don't care. Nobody does
@@Arachidowwa i do now stfu
He looked like Keanu Reeve's son?
He looked more like a mafia leaders right hand man. Like the guy he sends to collect debts, along with a giant strong man. Or he looked kinda like a "stereotypical" "D***he" CEO kinda look. Even though we all know Linus Is actually a kind hearted, great nice guy.
Now I want a video of Alex talking about his car😂
Yea
Isnt there on the other channel?
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Link to the video
So true. I like to see reviews on vehicles I might actually be able to afford in my lifetime!
I must say, I love LTT way of reviewing cars. Every other channel/magazine is focusing mostly on driving with addition to quickly go through other features (computer, setting etc.) and they test this vehicle for like a day or two. I like LTT because they don't try to rush reviews and they aren't worried about showing what doesn't feel right.
Toyota listens to this kind of feedback and continually improves their cars based on it. Porsche once hired Toyota to help them improve their production practices, so hopefully that included continual improvement, or kaizen as the Japanese call it.
Toyota: A happy customer increases shareholder value.
Others: How can we make the car break as often as possible to sell more parts, but not too often?
Ah yes 'kaizen'; unpaid innovation and labor.
i really like those formats where linus does the entertainment and the blonde workshop guy brings forward the intricate tech details. It works really well!
Alex is an engineer.. that's why he does what he does :)
@@promethbastard 4+ years of school = blonde workshop guy
4+ years of unboxing things at NCis = Star position and company owner
Life is weird
@@lurk7967 I agree that Alex deserves more name recognition, but you are seriously underestimating how much blood sweat and tears Linus had to put himself through to get his channel where it is today. There's a reason he has his position, and it wasn't down to random chance or "just because the universe is weird"
@Lurk I don't often comment, but I can't resist. This is such a pointless argument, my god. Degrees has never been equal to success, like ever, in the history of mankind. Will your probability of having success increase with one? Sure. But the outliers; the ones who rake in millions/billions a year are always more than just your avg Ivy/college grads. They always have a story behind them, an exceptional idea, an extraordinary drive to finish something they started and also in some cases, just plain old luck. You don't have a right to be a multi-millionaire just bcs you have a fancy degree. Linus has built this platform/community with over a decade of work, sacrificing elements of his life that many of his viewers can't even imagine. So please stop with this underestimation of his/or any other successful creators' work.
@@lurk7967 Sure Linus got lucky to be successful on TH-cam but he sure worked hard to build up his company to what it is today.
Linus: "If I had 160,000 to spend on a car..."
Also Linus: *spends 250,000 on Alpaca wool*
lol
Linus is pretty conservative with spending his personal money on frivolous items, but he definitely has OCD on his company products and making sure they give it their best
also a million for screwdrivers XD
gotta calculate how much money he's going to make with that alpaca wool!!
@@alexmills1329 Also, Linus didn't spend his personal money on this car. This was something the company "WAS" going to purchase, test for a month, write the story, shoot the video, post online, and THEN sell the car. Except Linus was set upon indecision dilemma and ended up renting one instead. This was never a personal purchase for Linus.
@@jackielinde7568 For where Linus lives near Cloverdale/Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada it actually makes much more sense for Linus to drive the new Ford F-150 Lightning Platinum Edition which had LOTS of Front Trunk (FRUNK) space for securely storing tech gear inside of AND it can carry 1800 lbs in the bed and/or tow 10,000 lbs.
Since he has to drive either on that ridiculously congested Highway One or Fraser Highway to get to and from his work in Surrey (a 30 minute to 90 minute drive depending on weather/traffic/accidents/etc!), it simply makes more INTERIOR CREATURE COMFORTS SENSE for him to buy the newest upper-trim-level F-150 Lightning since it WILL NOT have those annoying user interface issues the Porsche Taycan has. Ford KNOWS user interfaces on car infotainment systems and they have had almost TWO DECADES of experience getting it right for their very demanding customers.
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The fact that he looks younger in this fit than in his usual dad fit.
Facts
3:02 honestly, that's the best laughter and the most relatable one I've heard in a car review so far^^
0:46 man, i got used to sophisticated linus too quickly
Not really into cars, but it just makes me happy seeing Linus getting all excited and smiling happily af
Based
His giggle at the acceleration was fantastic.
Thank you for revealing how screens and "tech" in cars is, when poorly executed, downright dangerous. 8:11 to 8:51
There is no need for features to be buried and hidden deep in the settings.
It ruins the idea of future technology when you hit your grandma and destroy your mailbox trying to find an app
I absolutely love these guys, no mater the topic, they ALWAYS make sure to do the research. The Tesla vs Porsche comment is ABSOLUTELY correct. The entire suspension setup in the tesla is pretty outdated and for a lack of a better word "cheap". There is no way tesla could compete with a modern day "race car" on the track.
Absolutely true!
Alternative title: "my wife forced me to make this as a tax write off"
@Muscleman8562 why tho man
I think he rented the car, because he said Jake did it with the Porsche rental agency earlier on the WAN show.
It's a rental, Linus drives a Chevy Volt afaik
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0:51 THE DAY HAS FINALLY ARRIVED! Finally someone from north america who correctly pronounces "Porsche"
I give you my German approval.
Ironically you spelled German wrong.
But in the end he said Porsh again. *sad German noises*
@@kaldo_kaldo So? It's about pronounciation here. Every heard of a typo?
@@SuperRookie117 They are just pointing out the irony in that. I don't believe any judgement was intended.
One of the worst things about the universe is the amount of people who drop the “e” in Porsche.
Someone finally said something about horrible infotainment displays in cars.THANK YOU
the display and audio topic is a bane in everyones existence for reals. I mean I would get not having any audio at all in a GT3 RS but when you are driving an electric car you kind of want something to make sound which is not just wheeeeeeeeeeep
"That's about how much fun you're gonna have on an actual road"
_lacht auf Deutsch_
*Weint im 1.2 Ecodiesel bei 120 Stundenkilometern*
But you´ll have to admit that Germany is still 20 Years back in Time when it comes to Digital stuff. (Glasfaserausbau, Digitalisierung, etc.) So with proper skilled people (Politics and Engineering) it could be better. But until than... *cries in sad Lippisch noises*. Hope September will bring something good.
@@faultier407 Idk man the German trains have some pretty good stuff.
@@faultier407 nope
The internet has trained me well. I dont know German but i perfectly know what those words mean lol
I slowed it down and rewatched it.....WAS it Linus that was actually drifiting? Or was it a stuntman (Luke)?
Asking myself the same question!
Pretty sure it's Alex
Y'all are wrong, it's clearly anthony
Madison
Nah! It was Sara Butt! 😂
I really like how Linus' and Alex's takes on the car are juxtaposed here
Props to Linus for pronouncing "Porsche" pretty much correctly.
He's saying it completely wrong
@@arden6725 no he’s not..
@@arden6725 "Porsch-e" or "Porsch-hu" is the correct
@@arden6725 Most people say it like " Porsh" which is wrong. Adding the "e" at the end like Linus did is the correct way to say it.
@@Ilikebeatzzz He is not adding an e though, he said it right like 1 time and then keeps saying porsch-ea going back to the a ending.
You know it's crazy when linus pauses to tell brandon to put his head against the headrest first.
The funny thing is that my $30,000 Golf R can hit 60 in the same time. People have no idea, it looks so innocent
@@SniperReady There are a lot of cars that can easily have the same acceleration as that, I think its more so just that torque that will slam you back in an instant
@@SniperReady 0 to 60 in 3.8s cool. But what 60? km/h or mph? I have no idea what is used in Canada?
@@ivoivanov7407 0-60 usually means mph wherever you are just to remain consistent. Then again, I'm from the us so I might be wrong.
@@SniperReady that's insane haha
I’m definitely down for more LTT car reviews. Tech and Cars are two of my favorite video categories
Lmao i don't think a sponsor is ready to send over a 100k+ car for linus to drop
Linus Motor Tips
Same.
0:33 Linus, the whole point of a tie clip is to clip your tie to your shirt so it doesn't flap around (also to be decorative in the process).
Love the color of that car though.
“Is listening to music not an intrical part of driving?” No, I don’t think it is. To me, listening to the sound of the car and scrubbing of the tires sure is, though! A friend picked me up in his Taycan 4S and we spent about an hour in the car, and didn’t listen to a single song. The album art was nice to look at, though. At least it has Carplay, something I wish my Tesla had. That said, the Tesla infotainment system is okay, just not great. Like the Model S interior. Back to the Taycan - we spent far too much time toggling through the driving modes with that beautiful driving mode control knob. The feel of that really confirms the quality of the car, it feels so well made, like the rest of the car. The way the steering tightens, the suspension lowers and stiffens all added to the driving experience. The extra synthetic motor noises were a bit of fun. I appreciated the passenger-side screen, it was nice to have some control and something to play with while just sitting in that comfortable seat. The interior is so good, Tesla has a long ways to go to match the quality inside the Porsche.
I loved the on-track driving and drifting of that Frozen blue car, you had me cracking up with all that hooliganism, it was GREAT! Did you cover any lane keeping assist features…I’m not sure if I just missed them. You made the launch control look so simple, nicely done, so nice to see that 4718lb car move so quickly! Was I the only one annoyed at the "stepping on the gas" comments? ;) Overall, I really enjoyed your video, and the energy you put forth making them. A big thanks to the whole team that was behind making it. Nicely done posting their well deserved credit screen.
Linus really experienced pure joy when that Taycan accelerated "huehueheheuehe" Linus is fun to see
Talks Tesla down, then proceeds to enjoy the thing tesla is best at. Acceleration.
BRO I SWEAR IT HAS TO BECOME A MEME THAT SHIT WAS SO FUNNY 2:55
@@Sal3600 thats the great thing about the porsche it haves everything you want acceleration handleing luxury interior the tesla on the other hand just haves acceleration the interior is meh handleing is meh
@@Sal3600 As Linus said at the end, two VERY different car; one is great at its infotainment, while the other is great at being a CAR.
why do I feel like he's talking about Porsches latest laptop
*Porsche
@@9.5.9.5 yes yes I know I know mb
@@crashoverride5107 ***Porsche´s
@@-YEET nah Porsche is a german name and in german grammatics the ' for adding an s does not exist xD
Because cars are integrating with technology more than ever, just like the Tesla plaid can run cyberpunk, future cars will have powerful enough computers inside them to do most things you would do on a laptop.
Just think a mobile computer on wheels.
The smile of everyone driving the car tells you everything you need to know
😇
I would be smiling too if i could thrash the shit out of a car on a closed track that i didn't pay a cent for.
I just LOOOOVE that you can speak so freely since everyone begs you for reviews!! True and unbiased freedom of speech!
When Linus has a mid life crisis he's switching to Apple.
Not a completely bad idea considering the M1/M1X and the iPhone 13 finally getting features that make an Android an Android (at least hardware wise)
He already used iPhone regularly many times.
@@rkan2 as testing measures,
He still rocks the 3 yr old note 9
@@Prem-j9l3s That's crazy to me that they have a 13 already. I just got my Iphone 7 a year and a half ago and don't really plan to change that for at least a few more years.
Its happening! Hes too old to lose more time on tinkering.
Honestly I watch a LOT of auto motive TH-camrs. This has to be one of the best reviews I've watched so far.. and the Linus tech is a tech channel!
and a car is art??
11:02 you know you messed up when Linus says you have too many screens
XZibit doesn't approve though
I grew up in Weissach and it was always so exciting standing on the balcony and listening the cars hitting over the test track. I´m not saying progress is bad, but sound makes 99% of the enthusiasm for cars.
The "smarter" cars get, the "dumber" the controls get for them. I feel like it takes more steps to do anything in more modern cars vs my old trusty (But not crusty) 03 Buick.
The issue with GUI Apps and Software is, that they are pain in the ass to create. Working with Vectors is one of the most horrible things I've ever done and I can clearly see that tve developers couldn't bother to create something as well. I mean, the GUI looks like a 2010 Android Phone at some parts...
The "smarter" a car becomes, the more companies feel the need to reinvent the wheel (pardon the pun) of infotainment controls
The reason is because there are more and more features and developers are having a hard time figuring out where to put them, for example, my family's 2020 cadillac escalade has a microphone in front to allow you to speak to the back without having to shout, but it's the stupidest thing because the people in the back HAVE to shout back at you because there aren't any microphones in the back, so in that case, microphones in the front are practically useless because there WILL be shouting in case you're going through a drive-through. More and more companies are adding things that look good on paper in order to say that "we have a lot of features" which in turn is where the problem lies.
the "smarter" a car gets the smarter you have to be to not feel "dumb"
There are still cars on sale today that buck the trends - my 1,5 y.o. Mazda 3 BP sedan has no touch screen, no fake vents, no fake exhaust, no fake engine noise, it has all the modern tech (for this price point), and it's surprisingly ergonomic. HUD display combined with a screen sitting high on the dash, and physical buttons, mean that I pretty much never need to take my eyes off the road while driving.
Lack of a touch screen sucks only when you need to enter navi destination, or zoom on google maps, since it's a pain to do with the swivel wheel. Still, you can always use voice commands for setting directions, and zoom on the map actually works great on the swivel wheel, if you use the onboard navigation.
I could certainly do without the piano black on the center console, door switches, and on the B pillar, though. This trend needs to die asap, too.
The transition from the button up and tie to the LTT shirt was so smooth, I didn't even realize it at first
Maybe it was all in your head...
"This should be in every car above 30k$."
*me, looking at prices in my country
"so.. every car?"
where are you from? Either way, even in Norway or Switzerland or whatever rich country you're from, you should be able to get a Dacia for way less than 30k, and surely various other cars as well (I'm not a car guy, I have no idea).
@@pixelmaster98 Im from israel. the newest kia picanto (which I think is the cheapest here) costs 30k. a sports car starts at 150k$.
טוב לפחות יש לי את הטיוטה שלי מ2001
Heh, should see how expensive cars are in Australia. There are a handful of cheap options, like the MG3 for 20K, but most decent cars that have things like a GPS and something other than a lawnmower engine under the hood, etc. are well over 20k. The car that Linus just reviewed is 220K for the absolute base model, and 400K for the Turbo.
@@ExtraTurtle Dacia doesn‘t sell in Israel?
Because the crew forgot to put the song in the description, the song at 0:14 is "Get Money Swag - D.Cope"
Dynos measure HP at the wheel, not at the “crank.” You’re not going to get the same figures for what the factory shows vs what the dyno shows. This is completely normal.
Was looking for this comment lol. Crank and wheel are completely different.
this isnt applicable here. The motors in electric cars do not have gearboxes, there should be little to no losses.
@@gagbabgerwer5883 there's still a significant amount of losses through the gearing, also this is not a single speed transmission, it still has a clutch
@@zaydabbas1609, touque would actually see the biggest difference not power. Though dynos correct for metrics and give a torque figure which isn’t correct, and is a lot higher. In the car world 500 ft lb of torque is a lot, but not enough alone to move something with lots of force that could be 2.5 tons.
@@gagbabgerwer5883 It is applicable. What companies claim is that the motor is X horsepower. But even if the motor was the same exact number they claimed, that's still not real world results of what you would be experiencing at the wheel, there are sooooo many things to factor in like curb weight, altitude, temperature etc.
I did say before LTT is getting closer and closer to being the Top Gear of Tech Channels... well...
Time to upgrade to "The Grand Tech" I guess. xD
I greatly appreciate a car review that spends less than half of its runtime just saying "it's fun to drive" over and over. Especially the notes about infotainment - those were great!
"WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH EMAIL FROM BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR" LoL!!!! Loved the review.
So we can place 90% of the blame on Tesla when it comes to implementing touchscreen controls into an environment where you need to be able to instinctively reach things, and get immediate feedback that your input was accepted.
Nah, it would have come anyway. Touchscreens are now cheaper and easier to design for and to build in during manufacturing. Luxury automakers ought to stop chasing Tesla's aesthetic and put in well designed, well made buttons and knobs for the things that need them.
I mean for what Tesla is trying to do it kind of makes sense. Tesla wants to make self driving cars, so if the car is partially self driving you can afford to pay a little less attention to the road. Other cars aren't trying to go for self driving, therefore the touch screens don't make much sense for them.
@@odiousfox355 except you absolutely must not take your attention off the road yet (edit: although you can get away with it) . The cars aren't yet able to cope with every situation so must have a human alert and ready to take over.
I like to blame millennials. It doesn't even matter if it is their fault or not. It just feels right to blame them. That said, Tesla even removed the dash cluster in the 3. So it's definitely their fault too.
@@armadillito Plus if something is done poorly, or a new feature implemented, it's a simple UI change
Absolutely love this type of cinematic review. Even just Linus standing in front of the car/cottage had the slightest hint of bokeh that looked so soo good. Do more of this when it's right. (Obvs not on your average tech video)
"It's too good for me". Yup that's how I felt about my 3090 FE, so I sold it after a month.
Lies
Wait what..
Yeah, 30 fps nostalgia kicked in for me too, so i replaced rx580 with a 3400g. 😆
noo.......
Either that or you're a dirty scalper
They aren’t overselling the HP number, those are most likely “crank hp” numbers and you guys were looking at wheel hp on the dyno
An electric car has no crank.
@@sigibaes paahahha I was just about to say that but yeah no crank lmao
@@sigibaes no crank (hence op had "crank hp" in quotation marks), but still there is difference when you measure the power straight from the motor than measure it through transmission & 4WD etc. Smallish, but still significant amount of power is lost in process.
which is overselling...
@@krebgurfson5732 you can't find a manufacturer that would advertise "power after transmission & stuff". If anything, Porsche is very conservative with their numbers practically always "underselling". Pretty sure that's true in this case as well.